WEBVTT - Old Female Actresses Still Alive (feat. Bobby Finger) 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:08.840 Open your heart to me, Phoebe. Everyone's hearts need to 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.680 be open and holes hearts and holes and minds, the 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.960 big three hearts holes, minds open. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:23.160 She's sheen a me non not my name? Yo? 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:23.720 No yo? 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:26.680 What is your childe rama? 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:29.560 I am a chook. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.120 Your life's going down the floor like. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:36.360 Round. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.080 Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.560 yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm famously Rose Damu. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.800 And I'm not so famously fan Torondo, and I think 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.600 pretty famously. Oh you think, well, yeah, I consider myself 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.840 not to be a niche legend and not so much famous. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:06.080 But yes, not anywhere near as famous as Jocelyn one 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.400 name only of the idol, which I guess we're now 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.199 both caught up on because the last time we talked 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:14.800 about it, you. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.280 Hadn't watched it yet, right, And then wow, now we 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:19.920 both watched all three episodes. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:30.240 Yes, and my stance has not changed. I think I 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.520 said this with the first two episodes played out exactly 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.399 the same for me, where there was the first half 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.560 where I was very interested in what was going on 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:46.480 with Jocelyn and her team and the whole thing surrounding 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.160 this embattled pop star trying to make a comeback, and 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.800 the inner machinations of the industry thought that was very interesting. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.960 And then the second half of the episode, when the 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.560 Weekend came into it, I like completely checked out my brain, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.280 just like emptied because it was bad and because the 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.000 Weekend's acting is really bad. And then this third episode 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.800 everything changed because it was almost entirely about the Weekend 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.760 and the cult of it all. So now the show 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:16.320 is just bad. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.360 Yeah, the third episode was not good. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.880 Yeah, Okay, So I finally watched the pilot in the 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.480 second episode, and I felt like, honestly, I was I 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.960 was extremely surprised by how much I liked. I think 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.920 that Lily Rose Depp is kind of great, Like she's 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.800 a really good actress, amazing, And you know, it's funny 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.320 because she is the kind of actress that I just 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.400 like despise, Like she's like Emma Robert's adjacent, like completely nondescript, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.639 like toothpick model girl. And when actresses like that are 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.120 just like good actresses, I still can't really see them 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.359 because I'm like, what are your defining characteristics? But for 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:03.040 the idol, those like the kind of nondescript, generic hotness 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.480 she has lends itself perfectly to her kind of like 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.800 characterized celebrity, Like she looks exactly like someone who would 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.840 be famous, you know, yes, and because she is. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:17.000 Right, right, right, and. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.920 She's like she's like genetically engineered to look like a 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:23.760 hot famous person. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.440 Yeah, And you know, I think, especially in the first 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.200 kind of I think the first twenty minutes of the 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.160 pilot are We're so funny and gripping, and I loved 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.040 how the humor and the witticism's like we're really jumping 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.840 out even when like the common I think the commentary 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.920 about like pop culture and celebrity and cancel culture can 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.880 be like a lit all hay, I'm fisted sometimes, but 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.119 like when the joke is funny, it's funny. I think 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.320 my primary concern was that, just like you, like, I 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:54.280 loved the world of this idol, the world of this 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.000 like pop star and all the people in orchestration with 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.880 her who are kind of like controlling her, manipulating her, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.240 but there are too many characters Like I love the 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:11.480 stunt casting, and I individually love Dan Levy, harnef choice 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.960 Avon like all all these other Jane Adams. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.320 Yes, so I was missing her so much in this 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.360 third episode. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.840 Yeah, me too, Like Divine Joy. Randolph is also so funny. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:26.799 I remember she was like my favorite part of High Fidelity. Yeah, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.000 but like there are so many of them that I 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.039 was like by the third episode, just you said, I 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:31.800 was like, where did they go? 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:32.279 I miss them? 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.560 The show is not like living or breathing without them, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.520 but I really did. I was so surprised by what 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.479 I liked. And wait, let's talk about the sex scenes 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.719 in episode one, not episode three. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:44.440 We'll get to that. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.360 But like episode one when she is masturbating, and also 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.040 when they pulled the sheet over her head a robe, 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.200 the silk robe, I didn't mind it, Like I was like, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.360 I was like shock value for the sake of shock value, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.480 work on a kind of euphoria skins level, Like it 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.320 was delivering what I was expecting. It didn't offend me, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.200 and it informed me about both of the characters. I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.680 learned more about them and about their inner worlds through 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.760 the sex. So that's why episode three was like you 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.680 disagree with that, Yeah. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.080 I agree with it. On on Lily rose. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.440 Depths side, Yeah, when she was don't agree with it 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.960 about the weekend, I mean just I'm talking about just 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.160 the first episode, which she was like choking herself and masturbating. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.560 I was like, Okay, I think I understand what you 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.799 get out of sex, what you want like on your own, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:41.200 and therefore it kind of justified what was an uncomfortable 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.560 power dynamic between her and the Weekend. I think that 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.400 when the Weekend came in and they finally fucked, I 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.680 kind of understood that he needed that power dynamic in 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.719 whatever their relationship would be. And yeah, I think I 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.440 just knew him to be manipulative kind of and taking 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.080 advantage of her kink for the sake of also like 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.560 kind of send truly controlling her. Like it seems to 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.839 be some kind of sex cult. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:08.120 Yeah, well, I think I think what has unraveled for 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:15.320 me specifically in the third episode is that, yes, it's 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.040 a cult, but it's also very much this thing that 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:26.799 we've seen with public figures of the new manager person 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.080 coming into their lives, like thinking about like Brittany with 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.120 like what was the name Sam Lutfi. You know, this 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.880 man who they're like romantically attached with and then takes 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.240 over their careers and it is running the shots and 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.080 is like usually very much like why is she fucking. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:48.159 This kind of ugly guy. That, to me is what's 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:52.839 happening with the weekend, even more so than a cult thing. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:58.640 And yeah, I mean in the third episode, like just 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:05.279 everything in the show is working except for his performance, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:10.480 and the show is unfortunately hinging more and more. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.640 On his performance. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.440 And nowhere was that clearer than the scene where they're 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.800 having dinner and Ted DROs pushes Jocelyn to open up 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.560 about her trauma and Lily Rose Deep is actually giving 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:32.559 a fantastic you want vulnerable performance and Abel is giving nothing. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.200 It's just it's not that he's giving nothing, it's that 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.800 he's giving all one thing. And yet he and the 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.120 show want us to buy into him as this complicated 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.200 figure who has all of these different agendas. But if 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.080 that's true, as an actor, his job is to clue 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.320 us into some of that, and he is not doing it. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.960 And yet and all of the sort of supplemental material 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.720 that exists around the show, namely his interviews, he talks 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.840 about it, about all the different things that this guy 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.520 is thinking and feeling and doing and manipulating, and yet 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.760 none of that is on the screen. Now I believe 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.560 that it's I believe that it's in the script, and 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.680 I believe that it's slightly in the direction, but it's 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.360 not coming through in his acting, and that is a problem. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.640 He's just playing it all one note. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.000 Because he's a bad actor. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:31.080 And also it's so fucking it takes me out of 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.440 it so much when he's in the show and then 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:40.200 I hear ye his voice come in on the soundtrack, like, yes, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.560 you are, you know, a huge musician, and obviously you 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.480 want to be involved in the music and the show. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.640 That doesn't mean you need to sing on it, because 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.640 all it does is remind me that you are the 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.800 Weekend and you are not the character that you're playing. Yeah, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.280 I one hundred percent agree. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.400 I I really just such a sanity for him to 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.280 want to be across every part of this show when 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.000 in fact he could have stuck more behind the scenes. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.560 And I believe that he has very important insight into 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.120 the music industry that has gone into the creation and 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.800 the writing of this show. That doesn't mean that he 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.520 needed to be one of the stars of it. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.360 Yeah, I agree. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.439 I mean, like I so I was an og weekend Stan, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.959 like I was a house of balloons, like the Morning, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.240 like Weekend Stan and everybody who was there at the 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.959 ground level knows that he like sold out big time, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.160 Like he sold out. Like I know, the term sold 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.280 out is like so like convoluted and stupid, but like 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:49.000 he is like the definition of selling out because he 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.640 made Tumblr music and now he's basically one of the 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:52.960 biggest musicians of the world. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.600 And I think he has the most stream song ever 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:56.319 on Spotify. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.880 Yeah, and I think that that in and of itself 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.920 actually makes him perfect for the show. I think it 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.080 would have made sense to cast him if he could act, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.520 and I think it is perfect honestly for the music supervision, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.319 But in reality, they should have cast someone else who 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.120 someone who could act, and someone who honestly was just hot, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.960 like hotter, like someone who had this dark sexuality. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.559 Like he is not sexy to me. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.079 He's not hot, he's not giving me facial expressions. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.600 I actually didn't need the character to be hot. I 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.160 actually think it would have been more interesting. I mean, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.840 they're not going to cast ugly people on TV. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.120 But if he had more of especially more of a 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.880 sort of sexy ugly quality, because that's that's the role. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.200 He's like stee, you know, I just there's so much 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.880 interesting stuff going on. Like one of the scenes I 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:56.600 really liked was the scene where they're in the recording 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.400 studio and they're talking about Moses. Somny is talking about 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:04.280 how they don't say no to anything, and Joscelyn is like, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.800 is like pushing back at him, and he's saying, no, 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:09.560 I would say yes to this, I would say yes 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:10.560 to this, I would say yes to this. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.520 We don't say no to anything. This is Tedris's philosophy. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.920 And then she says, well, what if I wanted you 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.240 to fuck me? And he goes, oh, well he would 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.600 kill me, and so that, like that is so interesting. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.040 That's very good writing. That's telling us so much about 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.120 what's going on here. And then as soon as the 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.160 person that they're talking about comes on screen, it's like 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.560 all of that tension and suspense and intrigue I was 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.840 feeling just fucking evaporates. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.120 Yeah, you didn't watch all of Euphoria, but you watched 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.120 enough at least to know that, like Sam Levinson writes, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.840 I think well writes really cartoonishly evil characters, right, like 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.160 Nay and his Dad and Euphoria are cartoonishly evil, but 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.720 the show earns that kind of like dark complexity to 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.800 it an extent, like it is like a very extreme 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.200 version of a villain, and like, I think in a 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.080 way that we haven't seen on TV before. But I 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:10.120 don't really feel like and it seems like Tedris is 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.840 like meant to be. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.839 This kind of amorphous unknown figure. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.280 Like he's supposed to be mysterious, but like we don't 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.600 have any sort of justification of his actions or any 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.640 like weaknesses. We don't see a crack in what he's doing. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.000 And I'm having a hard time with Moses's character too, Isaac, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.200 Like some of these characters sometimes feel like set pieces, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.560 like they're not really They're just like cogs in the 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.760 machine of the other characters, where like Rachel Senne, you know, 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:38.480 is like. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.800 Moving plot points along. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.120 You know, Troy Savon now stepping in, I think and 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.360 moving plot points along. And Troy is a good actor. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:50.400 I like his performance in the show. Also, girl girl 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.880 who Moses is really good. The girl who is playing 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.280 the piano, she's good and she was singing at the 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.160 end of episode two. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:58.240 What is her function? 0:12:58.440 --> 0:12:59.240 The family thing? 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.160 All the it's what are all the cult members? 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:02.320 Like? 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:02.440 What? 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.560 I guess they're just like set dressing. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.760 No They're they're drawing her, they're drawing her into their web. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.000 They're making her feel like she's one of them. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.640 One more thing that I want to say, because I 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.120 was talking about the sex scenes in the first episode, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.079 and I was trying to get to this point of 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:24.040 how this third episode was so filled with gratuitous sex 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.760 scenes that were like pornographic and like, I love a 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.960 hot sex scene. I love a sex scene that goes there, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.400 but like there was no point of view. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.600 The sex wasn't like specific or kinky. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.239 It didn't tell us anything about any of the characters 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.000 more than what we had already known. It was like 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.440 it didn't have like a cinematic point of view. Like 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.800 it felt hard to watch, especially knowing and on it. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.160 I don't want to like recap the controversy, but like 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.679 understanding that you know, they don't have intimacy coordinators and 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.319 there's all this like controversy around how the sex scenes 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.360 were handled. Like I feel like I would have felt 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.000 weird about it even if I didn't know all that right, 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.840 Like I feel like if and also, just as we've 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.320 been talking, it's like, because he's not interesting, there's not 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.840 much we can glean from this episode where basically nothing happened, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.560 Like they talked a little bit about the album cover, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.120 and I think the dinner conversation gave us a little 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:21.800 plotin movement. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.840 The rest of episode nothing happened. Nothing. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.760 Yeah, I actually think the sex is all incredibly tame, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.640 and I'm starting to believe that all of the press 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.960 leading up to the show was a huge conspiracy theory, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.960 like inside job to make people interested, because the way 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.560 that critics talked about the show as if it was 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.240 the most offensive thing that's ever been committed to film, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:54.800 when in fact it's like very basic sex is it's 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.080 giving payola. Yeah, well, okay, from a fake pop star 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.200 to a very pop star. I saw Kylie Minoak this weekend. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.200 Yes you did? Oh my god? Wait what where did 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:07.720 you see her? 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.880 She did this show at Jones Beach. It was a 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:18.880 part of It was like a promotional radio show for Kati. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:24.400 It's called Katie Euphoria. And I went because my brother 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.120 had tickets and asked super last minute if I wanted 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.520 to come, So my friend Ryan and I went with 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.800 him and his friend Matt. We drove out to Jones Beach, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:40.240 which I'd never been to before. It was a little 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:46.560 run down and there was a there was a VIP 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.160 boat that we spent some time. All you got on 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.000 a boat, I got it. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:53.080 Well, it was doc. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.880 But the boat there was a bar and food on it, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.880 which was nice. But the boat was like, So, have 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.120 over been to Jones Beach? 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:02.320 No, not at all. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.400 So Jones Beach is it's an outdoor concert venue that's 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.520 right on the water, and the water comes up like 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.240 right to the floor of the stadium. And when we 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.720 got there, the tide was already like pretty high. It 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.640 was like right at the level of the floor. And 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.480 then at one point during the show the water like 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.360 like overflowed and we we tried to go back on 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.800 the boat to get drinks, but the but the part 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.880 of the stadium where you could access the boat had 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.360 been flooded by and we sat separately from my brother 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.800 and his friend, and he said that at one point 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.840 during the show, their section flooded and so they like 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.360 couldn't they had to like stand on their seats or something. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.000 My god, they're going down with the ship. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:47.880 I don't know. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.440 It was crazy. And you were the unsinkable Molly Brown. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:56.560 The unclockable Molly Brown. So the show was programmed with 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:01.080 a bunch of sort of like Kylie adjacent acts, some 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:09.120 you know, uh, club divas, like Deborah Cox, who was incredible. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.560 I was so gagged by her. She was amazing. She 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:18.520 looked incredible, sounded incredible, had this like such like this 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.480 very enigmatic stage presence, and she just like fucking tore 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.560 this girl. This this woman Kristen w who apparently she 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.000 was like she was well, she was like very well 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.919 known in the nineties club scene and like even my 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.760 brother said she used to perform at clubs all the time. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.359 She like she at one point had a song and 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.359 I think the Queers Folks soundtrack and there's a music 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.000 video of her with the Queers focast that she had 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.320 playing during her show. She was really great. She played 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.840 a saxophone. At one point she did she did say 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:57.200 something kind of transferred by on the microphone. No. Yeah, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.200 So that wasn't great. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:00.480 But then after you. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:07.280 Know, hours of being there, Kylie came on and Kylie 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:08.520 was so great. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.760 It was such a fun show. She was the only 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.480 one who did a proper set, Like all of the 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.600 other sets were like a couple songs, and she did 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.399 like seven or eight songs. She did like a forty 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:25.280 minute set. She you know, obviously did all the hits 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.960 Can't get You out of My Head, get out of 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.119 My Way. She ended with Padam Padam, which was super fun. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:37.480 She sounded great, She was very cute. I was like 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:42.320 slightly underwhelmed by her as a performer, just because I 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:47.879 wanted a little more energy from her. And also for 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.080 a lot of the songs she wasn't singing the chorus. Oh, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.119 and she would be like she would just let the 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.200 audience sing the chorus and like, Babe, I'm not booked. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.160 I did not come here to sing. I came here 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.719 to see you sing, So please sing the choruses because 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.400 those are the parts that of the songs that we 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.280 want to hear you sing. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.000 Yeah, I guess she is. I mean she's only fifty five, 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.240 like she can still be in her prime. I guess I. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.200 Yeah, absolutely, especially don't spot put on Padam is such 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.199 a banger, Like what the fuck is that song? I 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.680 mean she did during pud Padam, but you know, like 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.800 the she opened with Can't get You out of My 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:33.199 Head and did not sing a single chorus throughout the 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.000 entire song. She would like speak sing it a little 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.120 but she was really just tossing it to the audience 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.960 and she did close with all the lovers. She came 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.000 back and did an encore of it, which was the 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.280 song that Ryan had really been hoping to hear, and 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.080 he was like very moved by it. Okay, she Ryan 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:54.280 and my brother Jeff like Kylie is their their diva. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.080 She's not my diva like that. So I was happy 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.920 to be along for the ride. But I don't care 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.919 about her like that. But I will say it was 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.720 such a fun show. I haven't danced that much at 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:10.000 a concert in a long time. I had a great 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.400 night with everyone that I went there with, and it 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.960 was the only concert I've ever been to where there 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:21.560 was zero line for the women's bathroom and an incredibly 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:22.960 long line for the men's. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.240 Love that love to hear that, I mean, women be women. Yeah. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.720 I also am not really a Kylie stan I think 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.679 we definitely we've already said it, we need to do 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.800 a Kylie Epp so that we can learn more about her. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.160 Because I was reading about how padam Param has put 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.240 her in like that UK record for you know, solo 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:49.359 women artists having number one hits in every decade for 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.440 the last four years or something, and she's like one 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.879 of four people to ever do or four women to 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.399 ever do it, And that makes complete sense to me. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.160 Did you ever read Zadie Smith's book that kind of 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.960 spoofs her as a celebrity. It's called I've never read 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.399 a book in my life? Wow, I thought maybe this 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.639 would be the Okay, it's called Swing Time. It's like 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.480 one of the few literary novels that I've read in 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.080 like the last five year, five uh, five seven years 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.840 or whatever, because it's very literary and not really my tea. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.359 But there's a there's a kind of pop star in 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.879 the book that is maybe loosely based on Kylie Interesting. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.439 Oh you know what pissed me off? There was no 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.640 merch at the show at all. You know my toxic 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.360 trait is I never really buy merch at the show. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:43.480 I buy the bootleg after I bought the Joni Mitchell 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.200 Brandy Carlisle bootleg, like. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:49.320 I want the official merch and that's just leaving money 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.160 on the table, Kylie, come on, it is I would 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.760 have bought a put On butt plug, you know, or 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.080 it was or it was really it was really cold 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.679 that night. I would have bought a hoodie just to 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:06.240 be warm, you know, like she really she really missed out. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.679 Bummer. Well, I have to ask you, just because you 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.200 brought it up. 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:15.560 Before record, you've notified me that you started watching the 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:16.160 other two. 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:17.879 What I'm kind of gaffed. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:26.080 Yeah, you know, I was basically forced into it by 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.919 constantly seeing people talk about it on Twitter and seeing 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:34.080 clips of it. And I haven't had something to binge 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.600 in a while, and this weekend I just decided to 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.720 do it because after going to Kylie on Saturday, I 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.960 was like exhausted on Sunday and so I just wanted 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.240