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Speaker 1: Open your heart to me, Phoebe. Everyone's hearts need to

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Speaker 1: be open and holes hearts and holes and minds, the

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Speaker 1: big three hearts holes, minds open.

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Speaker 2: She's sheen a me non not my name? Yo?

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Speaker 1: No yo?

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Speaker 2: What is your childe rama?

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Speaker 3: I am a chook.

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Speaker 2: Your life's going down the floor like.

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Speaker 4: Round.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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Speaker 1: yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm famously Rose Damu.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not so famously fan Torondo, and I think

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Speaker 3: pretty famously. Oh you think, well, yeah, I consider myself

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Speaker 3: not to be a niche legend and not so much famous.

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Speaker 1: But yes, not anywhere near as famous as Jocelyn one

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Speaker 1: name only of the idol, which I guess we're now

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Speaker 1: both caught up on because the last time we talked

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Speaker 3: Hadn't watched it yet, right, And then wow, now we

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Speaker 3: both watched all three episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and my stance has not changed. I think I

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Speaker 1: said this with the first two episodes played out exactly

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Speaker 1: the same for me, where there was the first half

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Speaker 1: where I was very interested in what was going on

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Speaker 1: with Jocelyn and her team and the whole thing surrounding

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Speaker 1: this embattled pop star trying to make a comeback, and

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Speaker 1: the inner machinations of the industry thought that was very interesting.

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Speaker 1: And then the second half of the episode, when the

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Speaker 1: Weekend came into it, I like completely checked out my brain,

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Speaker 1: just like emptied because it was bad and because the

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Speaker 1: Weekend's acting is really bad. And then this third episode

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Speaker 1: everything changed because it was almost entirely about the Weekend

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Speaker 1: and the cult of it all. So now the show

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Speaker 1: is just bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the third episode was not good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So I finally watched the pilot in the

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Speaker 3: second episode, and I felt like, honestly, I was I

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Speaker 3: was extremely surprised by how much I liked. I think

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Speaker 3: like despise, Like she's like Emma Robert's adjacent, like completely nondescript,

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Speaker 3: because I'm like, what are your defining characteristics? But for

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Speaker 3: she has lends itself perfectly to her kind of like

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Speaker 3: be famous, you know, yes, and because she is.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right, and.

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Speaker 1: She's like she's like genetically engineered to look like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I think, especially in the first

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Speaker 3: out even when like the common I think the commentary

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Speaker 3: like when the joke is funny, it's funny. I think

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Speaker 3: my primary concern was that, just like you, like, I

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Speaker 3: but there are too many characters Like I love the

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Speaker 3: Avon like all all these other Jane Adams.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I was missing her so much in this

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Speaker 3: I remember she was like my favorite part of High Fidelity. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I miss them?

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Speaker 3: The show is not like living or breathing without them,

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Speaker 3: But like episode one when she is masturbating, and also

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Speaker 1: I agree with it. On on Lily rose.

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I think I understand what you

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Speaker 3: This kind of ugly guy. That, to me is what's

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Speaker 2: On his performance.

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Speaker 1: And nowhere was that clearer than the scene where they're

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Speaker 1: And yet and all of the sort of supplemental material

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Speaker 1: And also it's so fucking it takes me out of

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Speaker 1: Weekend and you are not the character that you're playing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 3: And I believe that he has very important insight into

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I so I was an og weekend Stan,

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Speaker 3: Like he sold out. Like I know, the term sold

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Speaker 1: And then she says, well, what if I wanted you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess she is. I mean she's only fifty five,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, especially don't spot put on Padam is such

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Speaker 1: She's not my diva like that. So I was happy

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Speaker 2: Love that love to hear that, I mean, women be women. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: we definitely we've already said it, we need to do

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Speaker 3: Because I was reading about how padam Param has put

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Speaker 3: Did you ever read Zadie Smith's book that kind of

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what pissed me off? There was no

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Speaker 1: I buy the bootleg after I bought the Joni Mitchell

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Speaker 3: I want the official merch and that's just leaving money

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Watched the other two and I do like it. How

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Speaker 3: So in the first season I think is really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I said I would stop watching if

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Speaker 3: I think it feels less like Twitter and more like

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Speaker 1: Love Molly Shannon though, oh she's perfect always Well. We

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Speaker 1: have a very exciting guest today, Bobby Finger from who

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Speaker 1: Weekly is here to talk about the Golden.

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Speaker 2: Girls podcasting royalty honestly.

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Speaker 1: So, I'm gonna cut myself a slice of cheesecake and

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Speaker 1: which is a bad idea because dark goes right through

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Speaker 1: me these days, and we'll.

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Speaker 6: Be back with Bobby God, I want chick now.

442
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Speaker 3: I looked up a list of the best Golden Girls

443
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Speaker 3: episodes to do like a little sampling, and I wonder

444
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Speaker 3: if you might have an idea of what some of

445
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Speaker 3: them want it.

446
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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I can guess. I can guess for sure, Like, okay,

447
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 5: did you watch did you watch Sick and Tired? Yeah,

448
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 5: the one where Dorothy has chronic fatigue syndrome? No, oh

449
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 5: my god, it's a two parter. Or it's amazing, it's

450
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 5: really meap, Yeah, it's a two parter. Are about you know,

451
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: like the creator, Susan Harris, had chronic fatigue syndrome and

452
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: she wanted to write it into the show. So Dorothy

453
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: gets chronic fatigue servent. It's about like doctors not believing women,

454
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Speaker 5: and she's going from place to place until someone finally says,

455
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 5: like your feelings are valid, and like your feelings of

456
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 5: sickness are real, and like here's what we can do

457
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 5: to treat you, but it takes forever farning and someone

458
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: who believes it's really good, I would say, well, I

459
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: don't agree with that, because doctors shouldn't believe whomen our

460
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: feelings aren't valid and chroduc contigue syndrome isn't real. It

461
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 5: isn't real. Yeah, it's like more Gallon's It's just not real.

462
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Speaker 3: It's like one of many instances in the show with

463
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: like gaslighting doctors too, Like that's like I feel like

464
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: it's something that like you never get to talk about,

465
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: like when like doctors really are just so manipulative and

466
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: do not, like you know, take people's opinions, like especially

467
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: when like ageism is is involved.

468
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I loved I loved watching that throughout the show.

469
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Speaker 5: Did you also watch I would guess the episode where

470
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Speaker 5: Dorothy's friend who's a tennis player fakes her death. I

471
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Speaker 5: wait till death, Till death do us volley, I believe

472
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Speaker 5: is what the name of the episode is called.

473
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Speaker 1: Not it doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

474
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Speaker 5: The episode where Rose is worried that she was given

475
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Speaker 5: a blood transfusion with HIV positive blood.

476
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Speaker 3: You know, but I am aware of that episode every

477
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: one talks about episode that's a good one, and then

478
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Speaker 3: what about the the one where one of my favorite

479
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Speaker 3: episodes is the one with George Clooney an early appearance

480
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Speaker 3: of George Clooney.

481
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Speaker 1: In a show.

482
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Speaker 5: And it's like two private detectives who have to live

483
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 5: in their house to spy on the jewel thieves who

484
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 5: moved in next door. And it's like some older hunk

485
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 5: and then his young deputy and it's George Clooney and Dorothy.

486
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Speaker 4: Are they gat them?

487
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 5: No, No, it's not even glimmer of it. This is

488
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: a vibe with George Clooney, but not with the older

489
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 5: guy at all.

490
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Speaker 3: Okay, what's with the crime aspect of Golden Girls? Because

491
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Speaker 3: I did watch the murder mystery episode where they go

492
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: to the hotel.

493
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Speaker 5: That's the best episode of the show.

494
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Speaker 4: I was, I was hooting and hollering.

495
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Speaker 3: I just, you know, as someone who didn't watch Golden

496
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: Girls a lot. I and also like I think most

497
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: shows today like are not laugh out loud funny. It

498
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: just was such a great experience to watch a TV

499
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: show where I was like actively laughing the whole time.

500
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Speaker 5: It's the show gets I think like a lot of sitcoms,

501
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 5: it gets more absurd as it goes by, and I

502
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 5: think there's a camp of people who don't like it

503
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: when it gets a little more absurd in the final seasons,

504
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 5: when they kind of run out of things to do.

505
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Speaker 5: So it's like, well, let's give them a murder mystery

506
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: episode or something, or like let's have the girls put

507
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 5: on a show for children where they dress up like chickens,

508
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 5: you know, Like it gets weird, but I find it funnier,

509
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: Like the show only gets funnier as it goes on,

510
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: and it's always funny, Like every episode of the show

511
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 5: is funny.

512
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Speaker 3: I think it's funny the idea that they would run

513
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: out of things to do, because like the premise is

514
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: not baked in with a lot of things to do anyway,

515
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: So I feel like that was kind of the whole run.

516
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: I was continually shocked by how much I found myself laughing,

517
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: Like just throughout watching the show, I was so immediately

518
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: attracted to like how dark the humor is, Like it's

519
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: really crass for the eighties. I loved, loved, love just

520
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: the tone and how everyone talked and made fun of

521
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: each other. I got a cosmetic peel yesterday and I

522
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: was sitting at home with my cosmetic peel on my face,

523
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: just like, but I'm not allowed to move my mouth

524
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: because I'm the peel falls awesome.

525
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Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there giggling.

526
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Speaker 3: Like Bobby for the Virgins. Can you give us like

527
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: a quick like TLDR of what the Golden Girls is

528
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: and who the Golden Girls are?

529
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: Yes? So, if you've never watched The Golden Girls, it's

530
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: a sitcom that ran for seven seasons about four women

531
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Speaker 5: in Miami, and the setup is there's the woman who

532
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: owns the house. Her name is Blanche Debeaux. She's a

533
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: Southern bell and kind of over the span of the

534
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: show learns to understand that her sort of loving the

535
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: old South and the Antebellum South is a problem. Like

536
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: there's a whole episode that deals with that, which is

537
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 5: really funny. And she when her husband dies, she decides

538
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: to rent out the rooms to people, and those people

539
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 5: include Dorothy Zbornak, who's a Brooklyn transplant who's like a

540
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: substitute teacher. Also, I mean that would be like the

541
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 5: reboot of the show. There's so they're like infinite ways

542
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 5: to reboot the show. Be amazing. She comes to Miami

543
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 5: after her husband dumps her, who's a recurring character in

544
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: the show, after like thirty eight years of marriage. She

545
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 5: brings her mom, Sophia Petrillo, who the show introduces as

546
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: like extremely crass and rude and mean because she just

547
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: had a stroke, so it like messed with her brain.

548
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: It like it disabled the part of her brain that

549
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 5: works on self control. So that's like very explicit in

550
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: the first few episodes of the show. And then they

551
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 5: just are like, no, let's just make her a bitch,

552
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 5: like it's fine, Like she's just an asshole, like they

553
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: take the stroke away. But then the other person is

554
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 5: Rose Nyland, who is just a lovable idiot with a

555
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: heart of gold, who you know, never finished high school,

556
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 5: does not know much about anything and is just like

557
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: sort of charmingly ignorant. And she lives with them too,

558
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: and she is also a widow. But I don't know,

559
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: it's just their comings and goings in this house that

560
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: they live in because they can't afford to live anywhere

561
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: else at least the three roommates to Blanche is like

562
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: has a little more money and is just like you

563
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: find out later in the series, the only reason she

564
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 5: has them live with her is because she no longer

565
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 5: has to pay the mortgage anymore. It's not like she's

566
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 5: desperate for cash. She just like doesn't want to have

567
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: to pay the mortgage. So that's what the show's about.

568
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: And they live in Miami and they have fun and

569
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: they fuck and they deal with I don't know, controversial subjects,

570
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: especially for the time, Like, like I said, HIV is

571
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 5: a topic she's constantly dealing with, Like Blanches her conflicted

572
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: feelings about her gay brother who she cannot accept. I

573
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 5: don't know.

574
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: That's the show solches. So Blanche is a landlord, Yeah,

575
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: landlord exactly.

576
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: Hate we have.

577
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: How much rent do you think the girls are paying Blanche?

578
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: I bet for the time. I bet they're paying her

579
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: like five hundred dollars a.

580
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: Month of them maybe less, honestly.

581
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 5: Maybe less. Yeah, probably no more than that. But like

582
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: the they're weird financial dynamics of the show. I think,

583
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: like there are in every sitcom where it's sort of

584
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: like I don't really understand like money here, but they

585
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: do kind of like how does money exist in this world?

586
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: But they do kind of go out of their way

587
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: to show that, Like these women are in a sense

588
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: living paycheck to paycheck, because that's another that's sometimes they're

589
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 5: like very special episode or they're like topical episode. It's

590
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: about how they have to work. They're they're quote unquote

591
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: retirement age at least for women of that generation. Like

592
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: you would expect that women of that generation at that age,

593
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 5: especially like white women from like relatively middle class, you know,

594
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 5: livelihoods preceding this moment, would be more comfortable, and they're not.

595
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: And that's kind of this recurring thing where it's like

596
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: I can't believe that we have to work and that

597
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 5: if I lose my job, I may have to be

598
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, I might have to be homeless,

599
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: you know, like I'm like housing insecure as a sixty

600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 5: five year old woman. So but also they play that

601
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: for laughs too sometimes when it's like Blanche as the

602
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: evil landlord who like raises their rent without letting them

603
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: know in advance.

604
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Speaker 3: You know, I loved when it was used for laughs.

605
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: To be honest, I think I was continually like I

606
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: was continually surprised by like how there was all this

607
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: kind of like latent like you know, working class kind

608
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: of like commentary or just like just that that just

609
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: as you said, like the conceit and like the natural

610
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: order of their lives, just invoke conversations about just justice,

611
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: justice for like women of a certain age.

612
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Speaker 2: Not to not to start with the most basic question,

613
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: but Bobby, which one? Which one are you? Which Golden

614
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: Girl are you?

615
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: Which one am I? I'm probably I'm more of a

616
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Speaker 5: I'd love to see myself as a Dorothy and I'd

617
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: love to see myself but like the confidence of Dorothy

618
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: and Sophia and even Blanche. But I think I'm more

619
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 5: of like a Dorothy Rose hybrid, veering Rosey Rose hybrid.

620
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 5: But I think but that's also like I think that's

621
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: the fun of that's it's the fun of you know,

622
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 5: sex and the city too. It's like the fun of

623
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 5: all these sitcoms. It's like which one are you? And

624
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 5: it's like which one do you aspire to be? And

625
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: then which one is? It always like sort of like

626
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 5: a route awakening to realize that you are. But I

627
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: think in the Golden Girls case, they're all pretty great,

628
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 5: like when you realize, like, oh, I wish I were

629
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 5: as much fun as Blanche. I wish I was having

630
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: I was having as much sex as Blanche, Like I

631
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 5: wish I could speak my mind the way that Sophia does. Like,

632
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 5: they all have their positive attributes that are like pretty

633
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: admirable and aspirational. So I'm not that upset about being

634
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 5: a Dorothy Rose hybrid leaning Rose.

635
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really about what what do your friends think

636
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: you are?

637
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: That's what it's about.

638
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what who do you think Fran and I are?

639
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna

640
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna say. Okay, I know that is

641
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 5: the disaster. That's okay.

642
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: A better question to speak to speak in the vernacular

643
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: of your show, can you rank the Golden Girls from

644
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: who to them? And I don't know if you've done

645
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: this before on New Weekly. I'm sure someone's out who

646
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: we haven't.

647
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 5: I would say, from who to them, it probably goes

648
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 5: Sophia Blanche Dorothy Rose. I think that, like, and maybe

649
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 5: that would have been different in nineteen eighty nine or

650
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one or whatever. But I think society is

651
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 5: just and has been so obsessed with Betty White. Yeah, like,

652
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: I think I think her death and the response to

653
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 5: her death was proof of that. And it's just like people,

654
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 5: if you don't know Golden Girls. You know Betty White's

655
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 5: character on Golden Girls, which is sort of an idiot,

656
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 5: like a lovable idiot. And I think she's top of

657
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 5: the list, even though she's really not. She's not my

658
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: favorite character. Blanche is my favorite, Dorothy's a close second,

659
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 5: and I think Roses third. Rose is like a solid

660
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: third place.

661
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: I don't know watching it, though, I think Rose has

662
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: the best jokes she heard. Her lines were definitely the

663
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 3: ones where I laughed the most. It was either her

664
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: or Blanche that really had me giggling. Yeah, same kind of.

665
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: I kind of could. I kind of could leave Dorothy.

666
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: I mean, no tea, but I mean she's like the

667
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: whole like dead pan thing is.

668
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: It's a little it's a vibe. If you don't connect

669
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 5: with it, it's like it can be grading.

670
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: I kind of understood her immediately, Like I think I

671
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: felt like I was like, oh, I'm I felt like

672
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: I can be a Dorothy sometimes because a lot of

673
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: times I'm the one that's like, let me come in

674
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: with a plan, let me break it down for everyone else,

675
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm the queen mother. Like what I say goes,

676
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: But I'm definitely obviously not. I think Rose will tell

677
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: you that I'm I'm Rose. You I think you are,

678
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: and we should all say now in this very moment,

679
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: that Rose is Sophia obviously, and there's no other person

680
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: you could be.

681
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I think do you disagree? Expression?

682
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was.

683
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: I was about to say that I'm definitely the Sophia

684
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: of this podcast of the world. Literally, like every everything

685
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: if you in the show, like every single joke sop

686
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: he has, it's just like she walks and she's like,

687
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 3: you're all idiots?

688
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: Why aren't ident? Yes, you know what I mean.

689
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: Either she's calling everyone dumb, or she's calling Blanche hole,

690
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: or she's there was so much slugsharee.

691
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: Or she's talking about.

692
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: How she wants to die yeah, the floodshaing.

693
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the sledgshaming of the show is like one of

694
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 5: the biggest hurdles to get over watching it now because

695
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: I didn't watch it growing up. I didn't watch it

696
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: until I was like seventeen eighteen, and I had put off.

697
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 5: I'd put it off for a long time because I

698
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: knew people liked it and I knew it was on reruns.

699
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 5: But I think that's like like when I'm like trying

700
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: to figure out my own sexuality and like feeling very

701
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: uncomfortable about like my own identity. I was trying to

702
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: push away things that I think were coded queer coded.

703
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: It's been gave like for young white men, like a

704
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 5: young white man loves golden girl, a young gay white

705
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 5: man loves golden girls, like like join the club. But

706
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 5: there's like millions of clubs for this. So I was like,

707
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm like resisting this show, and so

708
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: once I fell into it, I was just like very surprised.

709
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: I was kind of having the same reaction both of

710
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: you did watching them. I was like, Oh, this is

711
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: just really really good. It's really funny and it's making

712
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 5: me laugh. But the slutshamy stuff is always the first

713
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: thing you notice because it's like, well it's such a

714
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 5: weird yeah, because it like it's sex positive posits is

715
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: exactly it posits itself as being very sex positive and

716
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: showing these older women having like very fulfilling sex lives.

717
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: Even Sophia. I watched the episode where she and Blanche

718
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: are dating the same guy. Oh yes, but even then

719
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: they're like so sex positive, and yet like every line

720
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: about Blanche is that she's poor Yeah, it's like it's

721
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: like they're easy word to use, like slut over and over,

722
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: and it's part of the sex positivity to me, Like

723
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: I didn't even see it slutshaming when I was watching

724
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: it because I was like, well, this is the world,

725
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: and so the sex positivity begets the slut shaming right,

726
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: Like it was the foil to like help us understand

727
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: how sexually active these women were. And I think that

728
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: that was just like so radical, Like how often, if ever,

729
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: do we get to see like the sex lives of

730
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: like women in their you know, sixties, seventies.

731
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 7: Eighties, sex lives of college drugs, you know, on that.

732
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: Note, just in terms of like, you know, how these

733
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: women are like avatars for gay men, for gay white

734
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: men specifically. Like that's just something that is part of

735
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: why Golden Girls has continues to have so much relevance today,

736
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: Like it belongs to this generation of shows like like

737
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: Designing Women or like Dynasty or you know other other

738
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: kind of like these like marquee sitcoms and TV shows

739
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: that had all these uh fabulous or extravagant or sassy

740
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: you know, older white women that you could canvass yourself

741
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: on and see yourself in because there were no gay characters.

742
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: You know, you're right, and they had I don't know

743
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 5: if you watched the pilot, they had a gay character

744
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: in the pilot episode of the show. It's so strange,

745
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 5: like he was there living chef. Oh my god, they

746
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: had a live in chef chef they had well they well,

747
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 5: that's like they have to change it after the first one, right,

748
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: Like the whole thing is like it doesn't make any

749
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: sense with their financial situation. God, what was his name.

750
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: It's someone said, get the fag off the TV. I'm

751
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: not watching that.

752
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: He was.

753
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 5: He was their out gay chef named Coco, and he

754
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: like basically does they basically I guess like meshed his

755
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 5: humor with Sophia, Like he's sort of like always having

756
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 5: the quips. He's always the one who's just like observing

757
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 5: them and like calling them ridiculous. But yeah, he's only

758
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: in one episode and then they cut him out. But

759
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: the show is like still incorporates gay people pretty frequently.

760
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 5: One of my favorite episodes is also about Dorothy's college

761
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 5: friend coming to stay with her.

762
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: I watched that last night.

763
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a lesbian and like you think that it's

764
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: her dead husband, but really it's her dead partner who

765
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: was a woman, and she falls in love with Rose.

766
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: And the greatest joke of that episode, which is like,

767
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: there are some there are just some lines where I'm

768
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 5: just like, I can't believe this was on television in

769
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: like nineteen eighty eight. But like when Blanche finds out

770
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: that the friend is a lesbian, she's outraged, but it's

771
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: not because she's homophobic. She's outraged that the lesbian is

772
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: attracted to Rose and not her. So it's so funny.

773
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: She's like, I was believe it.

774
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: I was losing my mind at that. It was so funny.

775
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: I like rewound it to watch three times. I maybe actually,

776
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: after watching so many Golden Girls episodes last night, I

777
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: might be a little Golden Girls pilled.

778
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: I think this might be a new a new journey

779
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: for Okay, so glad I could do that.

780
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel that way.

781
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: Well, And let me tell you, similar to you, Bobby,

782
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: like I had put off watching it because I was

783
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: just like, I think, when I watch it, it will

784
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: take over my life and personality and maybe like I'm

785
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: not in like a space for that, you know. I

786
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: feel like I continually like once a year, once every

787
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: other year, like I get the flu and then I'm like, oh,

788
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: let me watch this show that I've like put off forever.

789
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like I've watched twenty

790
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: six seasons of like Real Housewives or whatever and like

791
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I didn't actually want that to happen.

792
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe I'm waiting for the flu again

793
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: to like actually go through the process of watching every

794
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: single episode. But I know that there will be a

795
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: period in my life where I do watch every single

796
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: episode because it is that good.

797
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm going to be on that journey.

798
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: And I'm honestly shocked that I like, even though I

799
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: have watched a little bit of Golden Girls before, I think,

800
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: especially because of the Florida of it all, it is

801
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: shocking that I have never watched it because I famously

802
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: am from Florida.

803
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm from Boca Ratone.

804
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: So like this is my work used to like we

805
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 3: used to where I grew up. We call it God's

806
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: Waiting Room because it's like where old people go to

807
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: die and every like even just the like the production design,

808
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: it's like that's what everyone's houses look like down there.

809
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: They're all sort of like pastel and like wicker furniture

810
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: and you know, like palm trees through the windows. It

811
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: was like a little triggering, but in kind of a

812
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: good way. And I love that they live in Miami.

813
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: I it did make me think about Iggy Azalea sixteen

814
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: in the middle of Miami, but I guess it would

815
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: be sixty one in the middle.

816
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: Of my Yeah, this is your old girls, this is.

817
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: Your community, your culture.

818
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: Did you growing up like or do you have any

819
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 3: like Boca memories of like retirees or like funny experiences

820
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: with like retirees in Florida or things that you remember

821
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: about I don't know. I've never been like surrounded by

822
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: retirees or like.

823
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: In a yem either.

824
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

825
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: I mean, well, like my my, my like street, growing up,

826
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: like there were no other children who lived in our neighborhood.

827
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 4: This is all It was all old people.

828
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: I think I spent a lot of my adolescents avoiding

829
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: watching old people eat food at restaurants. You, honestly, Bobby,

830
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: your experience. I'm really discovering so much about you right now.

831
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: Rose.

832
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: The fact that you grew up with no children says

833
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: so much about you and who you are today. That

834
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: is an incredible thing we've onearthed and you just see

835
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: like one day, like someone's house being packed up and

836
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I guess they die. They're like, you know,

837
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: gotta go hit that estate sale. Oh, Bobby, do you

838
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: have any other like favorite episodes or like things that

839
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: like what were when you first watched the show? Like

840
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: what were the things that you talked on about some

841
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: of them, but what were the things that you like

842
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: drew out of the show or the things that you

843
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: really loved about it.

844
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: I just couldn't believe how funny was It's that was

845
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: the main thing that surprised me. I was like, Oh,

846
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: this is just jokes. It's just one liners. It's jokes

847
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 5: left and right. It's jokes that like I can quote

848
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 5: with my sister all the time, Like we have our

849
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 5: own little Golden Girls language. That drives the rest of

850
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: my family crazy because like we can speak exclusively in

851
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 5: Golden Girls lines, and it's funny to me because they're

852
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: just like universal and hilarious. But I think it felt

853
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 5: so contemporary in a way, like there was something again.

854
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 5: I was just surprised at every turn that, like I

855
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: was connecting with this thing. But also it made me

856
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 5: really that like, oh, of course I love I love

857
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: like media content, movies, books about older people like I didn't.

858
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 5: I didn't grow up in boke a ratone like surrounded

859
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 5: by retirees crossing the street all day, but like I

860
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: definitely grew up liking movies at least about older people,

861
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 5: like I love a you know, new divorce, like finding

862
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: a new life, like you know, like I grew up

863
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 5: liking under the Tuscan Sun and like how Stella got

864
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 5: her group that sort of shit, Like I always love

865
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 5: that stuff, and like I've never seen under the Tuscan sue,

866
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, under the set and then even better

867
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 5: like Waiting to Exhale, which is like four women going

868
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: through it, you know, like yeah, it's I loved that

869
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: stuff it and it watching Golden Girls. I just I

870
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 5: really connect with stories about people who and it's just

871
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: I think it's just by like it's incidental. I don't

872
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 5: know why it happens, but it's just like a factor

873
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: of like how things work in movies and TV, because

874
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 5: there are always stories about women, but it's like older

875
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 5: people like starting a new life or like realizing that

876
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 5: you can always change your mind and you can be

877
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 5: whoever you want to be at any point in your life.

878
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 5: Like I'm really drawn to that story, Like there's no

879
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: age limit for changing your mind or doing something crazy, Like.

880
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: There really is something about four women, But what is it?

881
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 7: What is it?

882
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: Because I don't think there would be a Sex in

883
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: the City without Golden Girls, no kind of And there

884
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't be girls without sex and the City without Golden Girls,

885
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: and then there wouldn't be an end just like that,

886
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: although that's not for women. The Sex and the City

887
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: girls and the Golden Girls have like basically fit every

888
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: almost every archetype, like obviously, like you know Rose is Charlotte,

889
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: and Sophia is Miranda, and Blanche is Samantha. I think

890
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: Dorothy and Carrie are not Dorothy. No, they're not, They're

891
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: not really they're not really a match actually, Like I

892
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: think that's the one that doesn't really fit the archetype.

893
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, on the retiree.

894
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Dorothy is Stanford.

895
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 5: Dorothy is Stanford, Oh my god.

896
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: On the retiree genre, because it is a genre. It's complicated.

897
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: Have we ever seen it's complicated? Yer? My favorite Nancy

898
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: Meyers film I love is that the one with no

899
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: that's something, that Something's okay. They all kind of blend

900
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: together a lot. But I love stories about women of

901
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: a certain age going especially I mean with Nancy Meers.

902
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: It's like wealthy women with nice kitchens in a moment

903
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: of emotional crisis.

904
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: It's just the best. It's the it's.

905
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 5: They can really go through it, you know, like they

906
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 5: can go through it extravagantly, like that.

907
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about like the worldly issues exactly.

908
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 5: It's even more of a fantasy. It's great.

909
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: Do any of y'all watch Grayson, Frankie or or like,

910
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: are we excited for like eighty for Brady or whatever

911
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: that is happening. I can't believe you thought that I

912
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: would be excited about Haiti for Brady, Bobby's it's Bob.

913
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 5: I'm excited Bobby. I'm excited for Adie, for Brady, I'm

914
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: excited for eighty Brady.

915
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: Tell me why come?

916
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: I also I also hated book Club. I did Love

917
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 3: was one of the worst movies I've ever seen that

918
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: I almost walked out.

919
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: Actually I may have walked out of it.

920
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 5: You walked out of book Club? You missed that Jane

921
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: Conda finally gets to kiss what's his name like on

922
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 5: the roof of her hotel.

923
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: The ending is, oh, no, I actually I watched the

924
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: whole thing. It was there's a different movie that I

925
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: walked up. You made a mistake. It's not a movie

926
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: to see in theaters. It's a movie to watch on

927
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: a plane, which is how I watched it. And it

928
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: was perfectly for the plane, perfect exactly.

929
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: And I and friend. To answer your question why I'm

930
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: gonna like eighty forbid year, why I'm in ad here, Brady,

931
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: it's the simple answer, which Rose is gonna have a

932
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: problem with. But it's because I liked book Club. I

933
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, they found out that this format works.

934
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 5: They're just doing it again, only they're working in like

935
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 5: they replaced Diane Keaton with Sally Field and they replaced

936
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: I guess who else is in book Club? Read a Moreno? Yeah,

937
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 5: So it's like, wow, great, let's just do it again.

938
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 4: I'm just is Diane Keaton done?

939
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: Now?

940
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: Has she been canceled?

941
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: Did you see that movie where the young woman turned

942
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: into Diane Keaton?

943
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 5: Mac and rita?

944
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: Wait?

945
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: No, friend keeps saying, my friend keep saying it's actually good,

946
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: And I'm like, there's no way in hell it's actually good.

947
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: There's no way, there's.

948
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: No possible way that she like, what does she like

949
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: go into a tanning booth and then she comes out

950
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: as Diane King. Also, whenever somebody's review is it's actually good,

951
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: like that's an immediate flabum. Yeah, that actually is like hmmm,

952
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: oh actually it's in spite of something, got it exactly.

953
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: But I'm just honestly, we should be replacing Rita Morena.

954
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: We should be, sorry, replacing Diane Keaton with Riada Moreno

955
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 3: at every turn in every movie. I'm also so we

956
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: should we should have Rita Moreno film all of Diane

957
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 3: Keaton's Annie Hall. Yes, yes, we should actually know we can't.

958
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: We can't watch Annie Hall Allen. No, first first wive, Honey,

959
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: We're we're yes, no, no, no, I actually think you're

960
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: onto something. We're re recording all of Diane Keaton's films

961
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: with Rita Moreno and it's going to be like Parent's

962
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: Rita's version, okay version.

963
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: Yes, we're doing the back catalog.

964
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 4: Take that scooter by.

965
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I mean, I mean she's an egod, she

966
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: can handle it. She can get all of the nuances

967
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: of every performance and like match everything perfectly, so she

968
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 5: can just like cover the frame.

969
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: Jane Fonda is also one of my favorite celebrities of

970
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: all time, point blank period. Like she is like a

971
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: much like actually like someone like be Arthur who just

972
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: a lifetime of consistent activism, you know, like a lifetime

973
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: of like standing for something and like never shying away

974
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: from that, never never being deterred by celebrity or all

975
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: that stuff.

976
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: No, it's it's crazy that you Like, it's hard to

977
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: think of an equivalent to her with someone who's like

978
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 5: spanned generations of being kind of on the right side

979
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 5: of public opinion and like loudly vocally sort of influentially

980
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: on the right side of public opinion even when it

981
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 5: kind of almost wrecked her career multiple times. I mean,

982
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 5: and she was just like, no, it did.

983
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: The only other person I can think of is Lady Gaga.

984
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: Shut up. She's never had a wrong opinion, oh my gods.

985
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 4: Never.

986
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: I mean, she's had some wrong creative decisions, but you know,

987
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: she's been on the right side of history, just maybe

988
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: not the right side.

989
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 5: Of her history.

990
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: Bobby, have you ever seen did you did you ever

991
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: watch Malcolm in the Middle.

992
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 5: I never No, for some reason, that never. That never

993
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 5: hit with me.

994
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: So Chloris Leachman and Betty White have like amazing scenes together,

995
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: like throughout this like throughout the show. Like Betty White

996
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: is like a character, a recurring character and a lot

997
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: of the seasons of the show. And it's like and

998
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: she is her like she she's a she. I would

999
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: say she doesn't play Rose. I think she almost plays

1000
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: Dorothy More because she's kind of like but she has

1001
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: like she's like, I'm an alluringly sweet old lady, but

1002
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: like beneath, she's like rotten to the core and she's

1003
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: evil and like and like, well, that's kind of what

1004
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: her type evolved, yeah into. That's so much of what

1005
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: she did, like when she played herself on Ugly Betty,

1006
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: or when she was in wasn't she in the Proposal?

1007
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 5: The Proposal?

1008
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: Was like yeah, yeah, she was like she's like sweet

1009
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: old lady who's secretly nasty.

1010
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 5: She says fuck in the Proposal. I think it's like

1011
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 5: it's a PG. Thirteen movie where you know, Betty White

1012
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 5: says fuck and no one could believe it. I could

1013
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: believe it.

1014
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: She was seated but I was seeing it on a plane.

1015
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: I love being able to tell people like Golden Girls, Virgins,

1016
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 5: Golden Girls trivia. But like she was originally Blanche, you know,

1017
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: like that I didn't know that because she was in

1018
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: This is not a show. I'm not, like, I don't

1019
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: have experience with the Mary Tyler Moore show, but I

1020
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 5: guess on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, which she was

1021
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 5: in before this, she was like the sexy employee at

1022
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 5: the office, like the sultry one, the alluring one, and

1023
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 5: she was going to play a similar character in Golden Girls.

1024
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: They were like, she's good at this, We'll let her

1025
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 5: do it, and she was like, I want to do

1026
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 5: something different, let me be Rose. And then they got rude,

1027
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 5: what's her name, Rue McClanahan to be Blanche. But I'm

1028
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 5: just like, oh, I guess at the time that kind

1029
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: of was a twist for her. So like audiences back

1030
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 5: when the show premiered were like, Oh, she's not playing

1031
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 5: the sexy one. That's so weird, But you two aren't

1032
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 5: there yet. The reveal kind of in the middle of

1033
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 5: the series is that no one has had more sex

1034
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 5: than Rose.

1035
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: Oh right, now she becomes the anointed slut. I was

1036
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: reading about that.

1037
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: She she becomes the anointed slut because they find out

1038
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: that she had like like one hundred boyfriends in high

1039
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 5: school and also that she and her husband had sex

1040
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 5: every single night of their marriage until he died, and

1041
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 5: Blanche like can't believe it, and it's just like, oh,

1042
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: I love the reveal that even though she's the sort

1043
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: of sweet one, she loves to fuck. Yeah, like, that's like.

1044
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: That she probably in the show and she probably tears

1045
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: those men apart. Also, one of the episodes I was watching,

1046
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: she reveals that Hitler was like a teacher at her school.

1047
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's one of that is one of

1048
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 5: the weirdest reveals in the first of all, that episode

1049
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: is so strange where she goes back to school to

1050
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 5: get her high school diploma. Yeah yeah, and then you

1051
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 5: find out that her like Jim teacher was Hitler and

1052
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 5: that Ava Brown was there in saying Olaf, Minnesota, and

1053
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 5: you find out that the whole reason the entire town

1054
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 5: is dumb is because it was a secret plot by

1055
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 5: the Germans make Americans stupid, Like what it's so it's

1056
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 5: like so absurd, and then the show's like, anyway, I

1057
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 5: was watching.

1058
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: I really I would love to know what the Golden

1059
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: Girls writer's room was, Like, I mean, I'm sure it

1060
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: was like so fun and but also like they really

1061
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: go there, Like I was. I think I only watched

1062
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: the first season, like episodes in the first season, but

1063
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: I was just watching an episode where Sophia makes this

1064
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: offhanded joke about how she used to work in Mussolini's kitchen, and.

1065
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: I was like what.

1066
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 3: I was like, what, Like it's so funny and so dark,

1067
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, I kind of love it.

1068
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: I live for stuff like that.

1069
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 5: There's a it's like every once in a while there

1070
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 5: will just be something really surprising and like something that's

1071
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 5: like overtly sexual or like extremely progressive, or just like

1072
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 5: kind of a controversial political opinion, like a progressive political

1073
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 5: opinion that they put on like network television that you

1074
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 5: sort of are surprised to see on like populist entertainment.

1075
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 5: But then it's like I think a lot of it

1076
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: had to do with like who was watching it, Like

1077
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 5: older people were watching it. It wasn't on like I

1078
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 5: think it was on like Fridays and Saturdays, Like it

1079
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 5: had a very weird time slot, so they could get

1080
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 5: away with a lot of stuff because like it was

1081
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 5: really popular, but it wasn't like mussy TV Thursdays or something.

1082
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 5: You know. It was like in a very special, little

1083
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 5: more secluded spot, so they could be a little more,

1084
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 5: a little racier, I think.

1085
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1086
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: And also they weren't afraid to be kind of like sad.

1087
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: Like I watched the episode where their neighbor dies because

1088
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 3: because Rose says that she hopes she drops dead, and

1089
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: then they realize, like this woman like everyone hates her,

1090
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: so they have to throw her a funeral, and like

1091
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 3: that was so like devastatingly sad to think about, but

1092
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: it was really funny.

1093
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, they make that whole episode. It's almost like, when

1094
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 5: you think about an episode like that, if they made

1095
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 5: that in twenty twenty two, you would want to work

1096
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 5: in a little bit of a like some sort of

1097
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 5: sad backstory about this evil woman who lived next door,

1098
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: and that episode completely rejects it. It's like, no, she was,

1099
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 5: she's a bawful evil woman, and we're glad that she's dead.

1100
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 5: End of story. We're done, Like that's it. It's so like,

1101
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 5: oh wow, they went there.

1102
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: It's really new.

1103
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: It's like really like they just yeah, they're not afraid

1104
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: to just like be funny about death, Like there I want.

1105
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: It's true sitcom lone.

1106
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1107
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: I watched the episode where Blanche you know, is thinking

1108
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: about giving her sister a kidney, and how it's like

1109
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: a very real circumstance and the and the you know,

1110
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: the climax does become very sincere. But at the end

1111
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: of the day, she's like, I don't want to give

1112
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: her my fucking kidney, like I hate her, and it's

1113
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: like it's like and she can die, Like that's literally

1114
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: like kind of what it is.

1115
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: And it's like, I I love that episodes like that.

1116
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would say I haven't seen everything, but I

1117
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: feel like all, if not most of the episodes that

1118
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: I watched were about mortality in some way, Like death

1119
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 3: is this kind of theme that's at a low simmer.

1120
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 7: Death is the fifth.

1121
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: Exactly, No, not no, you know, And I think that

1122
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: that that was like the joy of the show is

1123
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: like it revels in death.

1124
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: It's joyful about death.

1125
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: It show it shows you how these women live bigger

1126
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: because death is at the doorstep, or that they have

1127
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: less at stake, they can be more themselves because you know,

1128
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: we're all gonna die, and like, I don't know, that's liberatory.

1129
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: It's just amazing. It was so fun to watch the characters.

1130
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of like nihilistic, Yeah, a little bit exactly.

1131
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is got frand you got it. That's exactly

1132
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 5: what it is. Like I guess I've never really like

1133
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 5: thought about it in those terms exactly, but that's like

1134
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: such a huge part of why it works. It's like

1135
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 5: they know that they're near death even though they're like

1136
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: they started making the show when they were like fifty five,

1137
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 5: so like they were actually like fairly young, but at

1138
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 5: the time it was they they were should they should

1139
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: have been retired, They should have been you know, planning

1140
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 5: for their funerals or whatever. The kidney thing reminds me

1141
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 5: that kidney story that you picked up on a friend

1142
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 5: of mine. His brother had some sort of kidney disease

1143
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 5: and I don't know what it was, but needed a

1144
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 5: kidney transplant. Like it was desperate, needed a kidney transplant.

1145
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 5: And so the process is you like ask like I

1146
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 5: don't know if you've seen this, Lena Gomez my mind

1147
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 5: in me or whatever, but like you ask as many

1148
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 5: people as you can like you you have to, you know,

1149
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 5: you know, open up your circle and say like, are

1150
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 5: you willing to give me a kidney or at least

1151
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 5: get the test? And so he was like, it's my brother.

1152
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 5: I love my brother, but like part of me rudely

1153
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 5: hopes that I'm not a match because then I have

1154
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 5: to have surgery or whatever, Like isn't that a horrible

1155
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: feeling to have? And I was like, oh, I'd never

1156
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 5: considered that, but like even if it is someone you love,

1157
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 5: like you have to go under the knife to take

1158
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 5: a piece of you out and give it to a person,

1159
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 5: Like that's like rough. And I just never hear would

1160
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 5: give a kidney to before? Who would I get?

1161
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 4: Would you get? Would you give Rita Aura a kidney

1162
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 4: if she needed one?

1163
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 5: I feel like the thing is and I that's kind

1164
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 5: of what my friend was saying, like the moment you're

1165
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 5: a match, you have to like I somehow, if I

1166
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 5: somehow end up on like the male gets mixed up,

1167
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 5: that's like a movie or something like if I take

1168
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 5: a if I take a test and the hospital finds

1169
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: out that I'm a match for a Rita Aura or

1170
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 5: like Jesse j or something, and they're just like Bobby

1171
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 5: jesse J like needs a kidney. I'd be like, well, fuck,

1172
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 5: how do you say no? How do you say no

1173
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 5: to that? Like jesse J is getting my kidney?

1174
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 4: I like you can't easily say no. I think as

1175
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: jesse J has said.

1176
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 5: No, no no no no no no no no no no.

1177
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 5: But like I really do think that you just send

1178
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 5: you that video out. Oh my god, if you get

1179
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 5: asked like, don't you kind of have to like because

1180
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 5: you don't speak for yourself.

1181
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: Man, not me, I'd be like, good, diva.

1182
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: Guilt guilt works on me, so like not on Rose

1183
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 5: and I guilt is guilt is you know, my kryptonite,

1184
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 5: And it's like, oh god, I gotta.

1185
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 4: Give just no I'm I'm I'm Jewish. If it's not

1186
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 4: my mother, I'm like, good luck with that.

1187
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are very few people that I would give

1188
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: a kidney too. But also my kidneys are probably rotted,

1189
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: like you don't want my kidneys? Like, no, man, I

1190
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: would give you a kidney, fran I would give I mean,

1191
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: I was gonna say I would give you a kidney,

1192
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: But I don't think you would ever want a kidney.

1193
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: I think you'd be like I be like.

1194
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 4: No, I'd like I'm dying.

1195
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, You're like no, thanks, okay.

1196
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: I'd feel like i'd be like'ally like thanks, you're in.

1197
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 5: You had a great run of it or whatever. Yeah,

1198
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 5: I feel I feel like rotten inside. Although like like honestly,

1199
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 5: who gives a fuck about crystiality, Like that's not even

1200
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 5: a controversial opinion, but like, this was one of the

1201
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 5: first celebrity deaths in a long time where I was

1202
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: just like, I cannot stop thinking about this funny tweet,

1203
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 5: like I'm incapable of mourning this woman. I'm incapable of

1204
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 5: mourning this one.

1205
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 3: I know level I Also, it felt compounded for me

1206
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: because a couple of days ago, I had I tweeted

1207
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: that Kirsty Ali was one celebrity who I would not

1208
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 3: eat if I was a cannibal because that tastes bad

1209
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: and so and so last night, like someone with like

1210
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand followers quote tweeted it and was like,

1211
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 3: what did you know? And now people are like in

1212
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: my mention saying that I killed Kirsty Well and cheering

1213
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: is next.

1214
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 4: I didn't.

1215
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: I just I just.

1216
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 4: What I stand by what I said.

1217
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 2: I had actually I forgot.

1218
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: About the the Stephen Hawking tweet I loved, but I

1219
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: just couldn't stop thinking about how she was like supporting

1220
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: Trump is like, you know, I'm the most marginalized because

1221
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: I support Trump and like and also she was like

1222
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: cheering on the insurrection or whatever. Wait, yeah she was

1223
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: a bad Yeah, Bobby, this is this is a who

1224
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: n muquestion? What is the deal between like Kirsten Johnson

1225
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: and Kirsty Ali and why they look exactly the same?

1226
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: Like I don't is that Like I saw the Kirsten

1227
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: Johnson memes after what is I like forgot that they're

1228
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: not the same person.

1229
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 5: I'd never considered it until she died, because suddenly we've

1230
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 5: gotten a lot of calls and emails about it. I'm

1231
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 5: just like, oh, that's really interesting. But I guess it's

1232
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: just like why did they look so similar? I guess

1233
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 5: it's like a nineties TV sitcom bucket that both of

1234
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: them filled.

1235
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, they play the same, both of them.

1236
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 5: Because I feel like Kristin Johnson when she made I

1237
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 5: guess her first big show was Third Rock from the Sun,

1238
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 5: I guess where it's like, like, it wouldn't surprise me

1239
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: if they were like, well, we need a Kirsty Alley

1240
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 5: type for this totally, so like here's this woman who'll

1241
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 5: fill the bucket because like they're also plug and play,

1242
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 5: especially in the nineties, like all those shows were basically

1243
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 5: the same. It's like, oh, but this time they're Aliens.

1244
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, when she fell out of the Chirsty Ally was

1245
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: arguably much more famous because.

1246
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 5: She was a movie Oh yeah, she.

1247
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: Had a film career and and Kristin Johnson, you know,

1248
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean to me, her greatest work was as Lexi

1249
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: Featherstone in that one episode of Absolute I'll bet you

1250
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 3: they went out to Kirsty Ali first, they were like, Kirsty,

1251
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 3: will you please fall out of this window?

1252
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: And she was like not.

1253
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 5: I wonder if Kristy Ali like what. I feel like

1254
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 5: she is too like self obsessed and has no sense

1255
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 5: of humour about herself, Like I don't know that she

1256
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 5: would be willing to like die and something like that,

1257
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: like maybe she said no, And then Kristen Kirsten Johnson

1258
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 5: just has a better sense of humor where she's like, yeah,

1259
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 5: I don't care. I didn't all smoke a cigarette and

1260
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 5: fall out a window.

1261
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 3: I didn't watch fat actress, but I was told that

1262
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: it was pretty good, So maybe she does have a

1263
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: sense of humor about herself.

1264
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying.

1265
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 5: Were you were you told it was actually pretty good?

1266
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually pretty good.

1267
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: I did watch Veronica's Closet when it was on. I

1268
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 3: don't really remember anything about it, but I did.

1269
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: Watch it.

1270
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 5: I know I watched it too.

1271
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: She will forever, but I I mean, I was just

1272
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: thinking about it last night. She really had the filmography,

1273
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: like she had a lot of hits dropped out. Gorgeous

1274
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: obviously is my favorite, but like she was in every

1275
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: big movie in the nineties, and like especially in a

1276
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: lot of mom roles, like she was very good, having

1277
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: like a a sort of like like down to earth

1278
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: warmth but still like funny.

1279
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 5: I like, like, look, Who's Talking is a good movie,

1280
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 5: you know, like and it's good kind of mostly because

1281
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 5: she's really good in it. I mean, also the baby

1282
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 5: voices are funny, like whatever. But she's she's very likable.

1283
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 5: Like the moment when she's on screen, she's very likable,

1284
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 5: and the moment she's off screen, it's like no one's

1285
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 5: ever been more unlikable.

1286
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: That movie's about talking babies, right, I'm not mistaken. It is.

1287
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fully like about but she talking babies.

1288
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 5: And she gets pregnant like her boss, isn't it. Like

1289
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 5: her boss is a real piece of shit. And they

1290
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 5: have they have like some kind of affair and she

1291
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 5: gets pregnant and the boss wants something to do with her,

1292
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 5: so he ends up raising this baby alone and it

1293
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: has the voice of Bruce Willis.

1294
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1295
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: The only thing I remember about those movies is I

1296
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: think there's a scene where there's a talking sperm fertilizing

1297
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:10,959
Speaker 3: an egg.

1298
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 5: No, it's like the opening of the movie. Yeah, because

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Speaker 5: they like they have sex at the beginning and then

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Speaker 5: and then it immediately cuts to like all these sperm

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Speaker 5: like like floating around and like get into the egg.

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Speaker 3: We need more movies about sperm, right, we need more

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Speaker 3: movies inside vaginal canals.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, we have blonde so glads.

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Speaker 5: I still haven't seen me either.

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Speaker 2: No, there's no reason, there's no reason.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think I'm ever gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: All you need to know is that the camera goes

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Speaker 3: inside Marilyn Monroe's vagina twice twice, not once, twice, Yes,

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Speaker 3: as part as a way to show her trauma or something.

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Speaker 4: Did that ever happen on Golden Girls? Did they ever

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Speaker 4: go to the college?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: But they do go to a sperm bank. There's like

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Speaker 5: funny there's there's a funny episode about like Blanche's daughter,

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Speaker 5: who's like one of the worst characters in the show,

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Speaker 5: and it's played by at least two actresses, maybe three,

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Speaker 5: decides that she wants to have a baby as a

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Speaker 5: single woman, and she has to go to a sperm

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Speaker 5: bank in Miami, and it's like a very funny scene

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Speaker 5: and they talk like openly about sperm in a way

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Speaker 5: that's like pretty hysterical, but like we don't go inside

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Speaker 5: any of their vaginas ever, So that was like a

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Speaker 5: bridge too far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if there was, I mean, and there probably inevitably

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Speaker 3: will be a Golden Girl's reboot.

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Speaker 4: Who would you want to see in it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My god?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Did it? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Wait, I need to actually look up her name so

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Speaker 3: that I'm not just saying the lady from Triangle of Sadness.

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Speaker 2: But there's this car.

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Speaker 4: I still haven't seen it.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, it needs an editor. But okay, Dolly

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Speaker 3: de Leon, is that's true?

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Speaker 2: There's this there's this character.

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Speaker 3: Dolly de Leon, who would be so good in A

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Speaker 3: Golden Girl's Reboot.

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Speaker 5: I feel she's so good and triangle of sadness that movie.

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Speaker 5: I agree with the editing thing, but like by the

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Speaker 5: you're sort of like, oh my god, this movie is

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Speaker 5: still on and then she shows up in your life

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Speaker 5: and find that this movie is exactly yeah.

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Speaker 3: Rose, no spoilers, but she basically emerged. She's a character

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Speaker 3: that essentially emerges in the third act of the film

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Speaker 3: and takes over and you're just like you're so in

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Speaker 3: her hands and she becomes the best character.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she's one of the Golden girls in the rebo.

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Speaker 4: I think you would.

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Speaker 5: Need Gloria Estephan honestly, Like I think you lean into

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Speaker 5: the Miami. I think you lean into the Miami of it,

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Speaker 5: and you're like, this is Gloria Stephan's house, Like that's

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Speaker 5: the and she's the numberwelf. Yeah, I think that's maybe

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Speaker 5: like the number one mandatory. I think you like really

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Speaker 5: go all in on the Miami aspect, and it's like

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Speaker 5: you find three other women. I don't care who it is,

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Speaker 5: but like if Gloria Stephan is Blanche, I think that

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Speaker 5: we have a winning.

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Speaker 3: Show like that doesn't Rosi O'Donnell, has she that you

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Speaker 3: have a house the island, right, Yeah, that's the Rich

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: Island or whatever where they all live.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Rose O'Donnell is one of the is one

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Speaker 1: of the women?

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Speaker 5: Yeah that works, not that?

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Speaker 4: And then who's the fourth one we should get?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say a queer woman, and then I

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Speaker 3: was like, we just said, like the biggest lesbian in.

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Speaker 1: The world, not Leah Delaria Phoebe.

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Speaker 4: We can't be.

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Speaker 2: Character these women are not they don't look.

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Speaker 3: The thing about honestly Golden Girls is that these women

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: looked old but now like women like now it's like,

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Speaker 3: oh Lucy lou is fifty five, You're like, what the

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Speaker 3: fuck like happened? Like, no, with them, we have to

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Speaker 3: get someone truly ancient people that look like Kilda in

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Speaker 3: her Suspiria Matrix lay Yeah exactly, yeah, God, who who

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Speaker 3: I was just it's just.

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Speaker 1: C G I Betty White like we used like the

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Speaker 1: we use like Betty White.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Actually, maybe there should be a man as one of

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Speaker 3: the Golden Girls, a gay guy who's an old gay

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01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 3: guy who could who could be Ian McKellen has never

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Speaker 3: had like an old fag role like he I mean

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: in the colle he needs a role where he is

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Speaker 3: a fat.

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Speaker 4: I'm really glad.

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Speaker 5: It's just a good format. Like I'm just saying, any

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Speaker 5: you could really cast anyone in that fourth bucket and

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 5: it would be a good show. I think that they're

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Speaker 5: just it's a good format. Like older people like doing

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Speaker 5: whatever they want to do in Miami, especially if they're

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Speaker 5: rich and they live on whatever that island is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to get rid of the whole, like

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01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: they have to move in because they can't pay rent.

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Speaker 3: There needs to be some kind of like other conceit

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Speaker 3: because they have to be wealthy. It just doesn't work

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Speaker 3: otherwise there's no class consciousness in this reboot.

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Speaker 2: Did we cast them.

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Speaker 3: Into their specific roles or are we just going to

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Speaker 3: give them new archetypes. It's probably new archetypes.

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01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 5: But then I think, well, if we need a slut

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: glorious stuff on his blood one.

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 3: Still Dolly daily On can be the Sofia because she's

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Speaker 3: like the meanest.

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01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 5: And then who wilse to be? Oh Rosie O'Donnell's Rose

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 5: and no Harvey Firestein is Rose the AI or the

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 5: AI hologram Rose and then Rosie O'donald's, Rosie O'donald's Dorothy. No,

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Speaker 5: Rosie Donalds Dorothy. I think it works.

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Speaker 2: I don't like.

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 4: And then Gloria Estefan is the slide.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, I don't approve of Rosie o'donnald

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Speaker 3: and this.

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Speaker 4: This well, too bad, too bad.

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: Central Central Casting has spoken.

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Speaker 2: She talks, said that she wants to do it. Really,

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Speaker 2: she said she wanted to do it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, I'm just assuming.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's yeah, No, I I texted her she's she's

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Speaker 1: Oh God.

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Speaker 6: Wait.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say I did just google old female

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Speaker 3: actresses still alive?

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Speaker 2: And the first let.

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Speaker 5: Me let me so it's really old female?

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Speaker 3: I know not and also not let me tell you

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Speaker 3: I did not use the old cis gender female. No,

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 3: I have to say it's still alive. Still, let me clarify.

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Speaker 3: I did not type in old female actresses. I typed

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: in like an old actress now or something like that,

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 3: and then it suggested one of the suggested ones this

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Speaker 3: old female actress is still live, and that is the

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Speaker 3: page that I'm on right now.

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Speaker 2: And let me read you this list.

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Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman now, Helena Bonham Garter Robin Wright, Halle.

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Speaker 2: Berry and Salma Hayak. None of these women are old.

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Speaker 4: We live in a variety. This is crazy.

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01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 2: I feel insane reading this anyways.

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Speaker 1: Well, I identify as an old female actress still.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: For now, I just want to say one last thing.

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Speaker 5: Blanche Rue McClanahan was fifty three when the Golden Girls started,

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 5: and Nicole Kimman is fifty five. So but in eighties,

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01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 5: in eighties Hollywood terms, Nicole Kidman is an old all

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Speaker 5: Hollywood actress, still alive. When they said when they said

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01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,639
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