WEBVTT - Web 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:11.640 These are our stories, done. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:30.920 Done, Hello, that's messed up an sv podcast. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.600 I am Lisa Traeger. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.000 I'm Kara Klank And you know what we do here, guys. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.680 We talk SVU. We talk about a true crime that 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.600 the episode was based on, and usually we talked to 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.320 a celebrity guest that was in the episode. But we 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.360 are standing strong in support of our union right now 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.440 and we are on strike with them, so we will 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.600 not be interviewing anybody during the pod until we get 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.480 a fair deal. And this is the first day Lisa 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.800 and I are c each other after our little summer break. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.240 We took two weeks because I went to summer camp 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.319 with my children and went to the East Coast to 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.920 see my family, and Lisa was selling out shows all 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:16.880 over the damn place. I had fun Holler, Sacramento and Portland. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.000 I had a really great time. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.160 It's kind of the extreme case of what we have 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.760 in our podcast. And one of my biggest pet peeves 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.600 is a live female performer I would say, is when 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.759 you could tell men do not want to be there 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.720 and they hate you and they don't and they want 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.800 to make sure their girlfriends or wives are not having 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.720 a good time. Narcissists, when it's not about them, they 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.280 have to ruin it. And there was a couple in 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.679 the front row and I could tell she was so excited, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.560 and he just was pissed and was staring at me, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.880 not even kindly like you don't have to laugh, but 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.760 like ye out, but he was just aggressive, stern, whatnot. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:50.800 And I said, you need to leave. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:52.880 Eddie looked at me and kind of scoffed, and I go, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.440 I don't know why you think I'm kidding, but I 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.360 am not performing with your energy here, and you need 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:57.040 to get up and leave. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.560 And it sucks that you're ruining it for her. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.840 And then she was embarrassed and felt sad for her, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.160 And on the way out the staff said that he 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.840 was like, I guess she couldn't handle what I was 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.079 throwing down, and it's like, what what are you throwing down? 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.240 As throwing down? But also you could sit in the 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:13.799 back and not have a good time, but you don't 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.120 get to ruin my like you don't get this glare 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.280 at me with hate in the front row. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:18.720 Leave. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.920 Yeah, but it sucks that I have to focus on 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.080 that when everyone was so great and fun. Well, this 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.560 was the best part was everyone in Sacramento said, don't 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.040 leave your hotel, don't go on walks, it's dangerous. And 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.920 then the one suggestion I had for fun was to 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.600 park outside of the prison at two am, and that's 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.240 when all the people get let out on bail and 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.359 so then there's like a big exodus. So I thought 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.320 that was kind of a funny suggestion. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:42.160 Did you do it? 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:44.000 No? 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.160 I did not. I did not do it. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.360 Okay, So tell me about trip, about camp, about the kids. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.720 Rosie started school today. I mean there's so much. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.480 Yeah, there's so much going on. It's crazy. I mean, 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.280 we're in the time machine. But I did just get 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.360 back from two and a half weeks straight with myke kids, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.200 and the day I get back, there's a her a 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.359 quake in La and school gets canceled. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.320 So the first day, which was a joke, which was 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:09.639 a joke. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.720 Yeah, I had crazy. It was sunny and eighty degrees gorgeous. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.320 I sat on a patio yesterday for like four hours. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.120 It was so gorgeous. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.079 Yeah, just thinking about you having school canceled for truly 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:21.640 no reason. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:22.280 Yeah. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.680 Yeah, but in a way, I was like, I was glad. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.000 Rosie got like a little day because I dragged her 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.000 ass from Vermont to Connecticut, woke her up at four 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.680 in the morning, got her on a plane, brought her 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.200 back to la and then was gonna wake her up 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.240 in the morning go start a new school. So she 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.400 got like a day to just chill and like relax. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:40.200 Yeah. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.360 We I flew with my kids for my first time 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.480 ever by myself, which was challenging because immediately when we 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.760 got to the airport, Oscar stuck his finger in Rosie's 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.600 eye and she cried about it the entire day on 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:51.080 and off. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.000 But it was pretty good. Oscar just kept. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:56.160 Being like, I want to get off the plane, and 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.760 I was like, I don't think you get how this works. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.840 Do you sit in the middle or do you sit 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.480 on the aisle? How do you organize when you're alone? 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.800 When I'm alone on this kind of plane where this 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.920 was a two three two plane, I just do the 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.640 three in the middle where I'm in the center of 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.800 them and they're on my sides, which kind of sucks 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.480 because when I travel with Jared, we do two and 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.080 two and Oscar's like blocked in by the window. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:17.800 This time. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.800 He just kept being like bye, he keep going, he 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.680 keeps going, I'll be right back, Mama. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.560 I'm like, where are you going? You can't just be 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.520 right back you two? And he just wanted is he 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.680 waiving the people or what is he? Yeah, he just 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:29.960 wanted to run up and down the aisles. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:31.920 He just wanted to like walk and like move his body, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.120 and like he doesn't really. I find I have found 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.240 with my kids that they won't really keep the headphones 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.920 on until they're like three. So even though he's watching 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.159 a TV show and he understands that the sound is 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.640 coming out of these headphones, he's like, get these off 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.880 of me. So he's not as engaged with television as 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.960 he usually is because he won't fucking listen to it. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.080 So it's like a mind show of baby Shark or whatever. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.800 I don't let him watch that. I mean, what was 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:55.400 he watching? 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.000 Oh, Pepa, Pepa Pig. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.920 And I think I'm affecting him with Pepa pig because 0:04:59.960 --> 0:05:03.279 he has been calling strawberries strawberries lately. So we'll see 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.720 what's going on there? But he's like talking so much. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.440 I always find big trips like make kids have like 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.719 verbal kind of like have verbal speed ups, kind of 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.400 like when we took Rosy on a big trip which 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.000 she was little, she just started talking and Oscar's just like, Mom, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.719 can I just talk to you for a second. He's 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.320 just saying all these like weird second sentences. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.320 But anyway, got them there. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.159 Everything was good, got to see my siblings. Took them 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.240 to another part of Connecticut where my friend Sky lives, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.960 and like sure her family lives on this beautiful like 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.440 point right on Long Island Sound, and like my kids 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.360 were just like digging for shells and looking for crabs 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.360 and like having the best time. And then I did 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.680 go see Titanique. I know a bunch of you message 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.080 because you were excited that I was going to see Titanique. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.680 I loved it. I mean, obviously, Jared said to me, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.320 he goes it was like a rusical if everybody was 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.200 extremely good at singing, Like everybody in it was so talented, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.400 like there wasn't. And what was crazy was there were 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.880 a bunch of little slips in my program, meaning that 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.520 you know, people were taking over for other people, and 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.280 I was like, oh my god, are we going to 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.040 get some kind of like understudy cast. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.400 There was a girl in it that I was like, yes, But. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.400 We've talked about understudies before, and they are the unsung 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.120 heroes and the most talented people because they have to 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.680 know everyone's parts. They have to be ready in a 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.239 moment's notice, and they saved the day tons of times 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.279 and sometimes it's there like one big shot. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.080 So they and their voices ready. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.280 Yeah, yeah, they're ready. They've been doing eight shows a week. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.680 That's I mean, they've been doing eight shows a week. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.839 Maybe in the chorus, but this show actually doesn't have 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.840 a big chorus like the there's a couple of understudies like. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.640 You can if you've seen it. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.240 Basically, what Titanique is is it's off Broadway. It's down 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.200 at this theater that's right off Union Square. It's actually 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.800 where I went to go see this magician to his 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.719 one man show called In and of Itself. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.920 Derek DelGaudio. I have thoughts. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.680 If anybody love messaged me. I love magic, but I 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.000 did not like this man's show. This man tried to 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.640 do a one man show or was magic, but it 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.880 was also about like his mom being gay and like 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.640 hate crimes, and I was like, I don't this is 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:07.560 not hitting for me. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.880 Yeah, you want your magic and hate crimes separate. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.680 I want my magic. Yes, I want my magic and 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.480 hate crimes separate. Please, But they so they do it there. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.680 It's like an off Broadway theater. It's the story of 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.400 Titanic the movie, like Jack and Rose, the whole thing, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.200 but set to the music of Celen Dion. And there's 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.640 a woman playing Celen Dion who like pops in and 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.600 narrates the whole thing. And I did not see the 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.440 original girl who's been Selene, because she's actually the co 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:33.440 creator of the show. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.160 She just a couple weeks earlier swapped out. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.239 But I got this woman who was like the longest 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.960 running Alpha BA on Broadway and was so talented, like 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.040 amazing voice, and it's just fun. It's a really funny 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.800 part because they're playing this like caricature of Celendon where 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.880 they keep going I'm all right, and like they're like 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.480 doing a French Canadian accent and like crossing their eyes 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.680 and like being all goofy. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.360 I was loving it. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.240 There's every reference is like pop culture gay, like if 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.520 you're not a woman or. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.000 A gay man. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.320 I'm not really under I don't really know if it's 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.960 like for you, but or you're not into those things. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.040 Like Jared got plenty of the references because I make 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.120 him watch drag race and stuff. But there was I 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.240 just loved it, and I also took it edible. But 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.600 I thought it was really really fun. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.560 I'm so excited. Yeah, love supporting the arts. While a 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.440 couple things popped into my mind that I did not 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.160 tell you. One of the waitresses at the Club and Sacramento, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.920 she used to live in New York, and one of 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:35.520 her regular bart regular restaurant patrons, why don't yes, was. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.000 The Gilgo Beach Killer. Oh my god. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.160 He would come in with all these other architects and 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.680 he asked for her number ones or gave his number 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.040 like something like that. But she obviously, you know, wasn't 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.480 like she was not interested, but she served him all 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:49.920 the time. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.360 Wow. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.360 I read an article about that. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.760 This girl wrote that she used to work for him, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.320 and basically she just kind of described how he was 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.320 like just you know, something a little off, but not 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.800 like enough to like call the cops or whatever. But 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.160 she just thought so there was something always like weird 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.679 about him. But fuck, that's crazy. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.160 Did you know I had COVID? Yes, I was checking 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:13.640 in on you. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:19.000 God, I was so annoying. That is so annoying. Was 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.040 it like really bad? 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.240 I didn't feel great and I didn't have energy, but 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.679 it didn't feel like the first time I had it, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.920 so it didn't even click in my head like I 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.920 thought it was something else. I was like, oh, my 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.480 throat hurts, it's obviously because I smoked too much weed. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.600 And so I pulled back on weed. And then I 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.680 was like having all these side effects. And when I 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.120 looked up online and these reddits, all of them were 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.160 symptoms of weed withdrawal. So I just assumed my throat 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.000 hurts because of weed. I'm having these symptoms because I'm 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:54.240 quitting weed. And then I nothing. It just was so 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.120 much and I took a test and then I was like, Wow, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.160 I'm a fool. I'm a fool. I've gotten to know. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.960 That's what's crazy is I keep saying, oh, this doesn't 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.440 like if I get a little thing, I'm like, this 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:03.920 doesn't feel like the last time I had COVID. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.440 I think I would know, but it like then, so 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:07.600 when I was in Vermont. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.600 So basically, after I did some time in Connecticut with 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.520 my family, I took my kids to this family camp 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.440 in Vermont where I helped run the program. And it's 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.880 like a fun, really fun week. And I was sick 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.000 the first like three days with a really super sore throat, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.680 and I grabbed a COVID test because I was like, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.959 this is not what it felt like last time, and Jared. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.800 Goes, but that's what Lisa said. So I was like, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.120 I have to take a test. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.120 And I was negative, but like I was concerned, you know, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.720 because like I don't want to be like a super 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:34.920 spreader at my family camp. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.880 Wait, so what did you do in Connecticut in terms 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.959 of probably just the pool, right or did you guys 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:40.920 me kind. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.640 Of just pooled. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:43.640 There was like a rainy day where I took the 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.960 kids to this children's museum that they're obsessed with, and 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.559 I walked to Oscar around my old hometown like a 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.480 little bit on the street, and it's just crazy because 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.200 all the stores are different and like everything is so 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:57.080 like nothing stays. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.320 Planning, It's wow. Planning. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.959 Planning hit us up because I want to know if 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:07.480 that's just a rom com job or a real job. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.560 No, my friend hasn't ever been planning her in New York, 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.880 And so does the city hire this person? Yeah, he 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.920 works for like a firm and then like the city 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:15.640 hires them. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.120 Okay, wow, yeah really. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.199 And my friend, my other friend from college, actually is 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:22.800 like a lawyer who works with him all the time, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.240 because I think she does some kind of law that's 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:26.439 urban planning adjacent. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.400 Mine was boring about COVID tell me about camp was 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.800 what are the funn act The photos looked very cute, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.760 it seemed yeah, nature a good time. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.560 Yeah, it's really cute. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.600 I mean, this apparently was like the rainiest summer Vermont 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.480 has ever had. They actually had like a lot of 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.679 damage and like the state capitol and stuff from like 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.920 microbursts and like huge storms. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.400 So normally this is like the most beautiful week. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:51.760 But we did get a couple of rainy days, which 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.520 was fine, but honestly, I love it. A bunch of 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.760 my old friends came back with their kids. Like I 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.760 was at camp with like kids people who were my 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.360 cam my campers and friends, and then we were counselors together, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.440 and now we're all back together with our kids there 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.840 and our kids are like becoming friends with each other. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.120 It was just really cute. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.720 And I had a horrible bed, so I didn't sleep 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.880 the whole week. But do you get your own cabin? Like, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.000 do you and your family get your own cabin? Yeah, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.959 we get a cabin because we have young kids. A 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.319 lot of people are are in like the platform tents 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.480 where it's like four beds are on like a wooden 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.400 platform with like these big canvas tents over them, and 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.679 I we'll move to that probably like in a year 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.640 or two. But just because my kids are small, like 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.360 you know, I have them in a cabin right now. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.560 And Jared I think likes having a bathroom because if 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.200 you are in a tent, you just share like a 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:39.320 bathroom with the other people. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.480 But it's great. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.040 I don't have to think about cooking a meal for 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.920 my kids for an entire week, not one meal, breakfast, lunch, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:46.400 and dinner. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.080 Cocktail hour every day at five really fun. There's a 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.960 way you guys are getting hammered at camp. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.200 Well, the participants are all allowed to drink during cocktail hour. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.360 I'm not supposed to because technically i'm staff, but my 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.920 boss does don't really care if I have one glass 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.760 of wine. Or whatever, but people are drinking. Yeah, I 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.200 love that. Yeah, and staff watches the kids so that 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.280 the parents can like go have a normal conversation and 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.640 eat a cheese played, and then h there was a 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.960 variety show and Rosie did do three numbers in the 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.680 variety show. Now, if you're listening to this and you 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.880 have a child, you probably know this song where it's 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.640 like a TikTok song or something. It's only a minute long, 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.640 and Lisa, we've played it for you and you were 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.960 very flabbergasted about what the point of it was. But 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.319 it's this song where like a phone rings and someone 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.640 goes hello, Hello, is anyone on the line, And then 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.079 a voice goes watermelon yamou and then it turns into 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.319 this little like techno song where. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.680 They just keep saying watermelon mayamoo. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.720 Rosie got there and her little best friend boyfriend from 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.880 last summer, was like, I love watermelon yalmo, and Rosie 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.880 was like, so do I. So they immediately came up 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.960 with a variety show act where I was the person 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.400 on the phone. They were behind the stage and every 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.280 time it was watermelon mealmout, they came out. I'll post 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.920 the video if people have an interest. I'll post the 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.240 video on our Instagram stories. But there's a video and 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.280 it's so cute and funny. And then Rosie and her 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.360 best buddy bo and this kid Patrick. They always end 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.839 the Variety Show with a dance party. Last year, as 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.320 you all know, they did Sandstorm. This year they did 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.360 I Like to Move It from a Madagascar movie called 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.880 Escape to Africa, and it's the Will I Am version 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.960 of I Like to Move It, Move It, and it's 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.240 just fun. My kids ad the best time. They swim 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.000 in the lake. Oh my god. I was so nervous 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.000 that I had these like bitchy little California kids that 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.520 would only swim swimming pools. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.440 They loved the lake. This time got in the lake, 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.280 loved it. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.520 That's one of the reasons I'm planning a trip back home. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.560 I want to jump into Lake Michigan on bike path. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.160 Like someone posted a photo of the lake and I go, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.920 that looks appealing to me, and I need to jump 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.200 in it. I need to lakes. The sharks are out 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.400 and about this summer. I also sharks are sharking. I 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.640 went to the Grove for the first time. The mall 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.120 was a amazing I don't know why I haven't been 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.080 to the Grove more often. It was gorgeous, but I 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:09.160 saw Meg two. Not good, Ah, not good, unfortunately the 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:10.000 worst of the summer. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:14.000 I would say, oh, no, you've been seeing so many movies. Yeah. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.520 I was really upset because I love Meg one and 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.520 I just really wanted an explosive good time and it 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.200 was just more of a mess of a good time. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.880 Oh that sucks, Yeah, it was. That sucks. Wait, but 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.480 how is that? Why is the Is the Grove to me, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.040 is identical to the Americana. No, I think it's chicer. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.000 I think it's sexier. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.360 I think Americana is more wide and sunshine, and I 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.600 think the Groves is like sexier. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.880 I mean, it's both owned by Caruso, I think. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.400 But yes, there's just it's more high class store. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:47.840 I guess. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.960 No, they're both amazing malls. There's something a little sexier 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:52.680 about the Grove. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.960 To me, Well, the Americana is doing their best. They've 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.880 got a Gucci coming in a bigger Tiffany. They're trying 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.200 to spruce up and get higher and shit, no. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.320 It's a luxurious, amazing mall. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.600 There was just something about like the extra trees like 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.240 there was just something, you know. Maybe it was because 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.400 I was having a margarita looking at people. I'm not sure, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.640 I like dressed up. I was so excited. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.600 Oh my gosh. And then the Meg was a bummer. Yeah, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.880 Meg too. Who's in those movies? 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.320 Who's in that Jason Statham? Okay, oh my god. So 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.840 I got asked to do a podcast. I don't remember 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.640 the name of it. It's Andrew Rofo's podcast, but it's 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.280 IMDb games where it's all about star meter and asked. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.400 They ask you questions and you're competing with another comic 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.440 to like win. I won by over like twenty three 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:47.640 thousand points. I truly demolished this person. And it's because 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.000 we're on IMDb because of this podcast so much that 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.080 I really got in. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.840 I know, the star meters baby and I had. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.840 I'm actually pretty impressive, I'll be honest, because they give 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.200 you a year star meter and I was pretty shockked. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.640 What's your star meter? I'm at six thousand. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.560 You're the six thousandth most famous person on IMDb. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:09.200 Yeah, that's pretty exciting. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.399 I know early July I was at three thousand because 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.200 I was in like a project, but yeah, I mean 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:16.680 it felt pretty good. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.239 People are probably searching you. They're like who is that? 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.600 Because I guess they're like, guess what your star meter is? 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.000 And I guessed one hundred thousand for myself, and then 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:26.560 I was pleasantly surprised. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.840 I was really one hundred thousand. Oh my god. Well, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.600 now you know I'm looking up mine and am I 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.359 going to be sad? 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.160 You might have to go on your IMDb pro though 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:35.960 you're not going to go I don't have PRO. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.960 I have pro BB. Wait, they're not just gonna show me. No, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.160 you have to have PRO. But this was my best 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.199 and I love this person. But I was against this 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.760 comic Mike fell Zone, and the question was pick an 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.119 SNL cast member, and you basically just compete who has 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.600 the best star meter, And this person chose Chris Red, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:17:59.760 who's an angel. 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:00.399 I love him. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.920 I've known him since Chicago. He's very talented, he's out 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.080 there working. But you know, I said Pete Davidson, there's 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.120 also people like I don't know, Will Ferrell, Tina. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.280 Fay, Julia, Eddie Murphy. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.760 Like to pick Chris Red was just so funny, and 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.720 that's what that's that put me in the over twenty 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.359 thousand point win category. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.760 I would say it was so fun. It's the funnest 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:25.520 game of all time. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.720 It was like such a joy to play it, so 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.679 many fun rounds. I wish I knew the name, so 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.280 we can, you know, shout out our friend. This intro 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.720 is going along. Also, you know your camps in Vermont. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.399 We're on tour. We're gonna be in Vermont. We're in 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.000 lots of cities, our southern cities. Why aren't you buying tickets? 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.520 If you ever want us to come back, you better 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.320 fucking get your asses over. Yeah, we're gonna have to 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.800 literally just be like no South if we can't get 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:52.280 people to Atlanta. Charlotte Raley, We're in DC this weekend 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.840 stand up and and podcasts for doing two shows. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.880 I'm really excited. I'm excited to get back out there, 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.800 new games. Oh, keep on, new episodes. I'm like bombed. Yeah, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.520 I'm excited to be back on the tour. You know 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.520 this comes out five days before we start. I am 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.400 my c DC is gonna be insane because I'm doing 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:11.639 a college in Connecticut. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.320 I'm doing Central like Connecticut University, right, Yeah, but. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.880 I'm doing that on the seventh and then driving all 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.760 night to d C with my opener, and then I 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.120 will get to DC in the morning and sleep until 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:25.880 my show, I think. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.080 But it's gonna be. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.680 It's gonna be reminiscent of my early comedy days, like 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.160 driving all night and you. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.040 Know, well, honestly, really so bad around New York and 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.840 DC that like, you're probably doing the smartest thing because 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.240 the traffic on those areas, the mid Atlantic Corridor, it's 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:43.000 really terrible. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.639 By Planet Corridor. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.240 Five days, five days from now, we're going to be 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.280 in DC. We sold out the seven pm Baby, We 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.160 added a bed show. We added a three thirty come 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.320 on down have a little daytime fun with your gals. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.760 What better breakfast than a mazzarella stick? I can't think 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:01.720 of it, you know what I mean? 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.080 Like, why not a plate of nachos in the afternoon 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:05.520 on a sign. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.800 Yeah, Sunday scaries. I don't think so. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.119 Not when you're going to a podcast and getting buzzed 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:10.879 at three thirty. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.240 Our intro is so long. Listen. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.960 Yeah, I got some of you fast forwarded it because 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.440 we had some thoughts on the Barbie movie, and you 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.399 should be ashamed of yourself. We deserve an opinion too, Okay, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.440 we deserve an opinion. Are you gonna stop listening because 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:26.400 I didn't like the Meg two? 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:27.080 Is that? 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:27.199 What? 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.239 Are you gonna turn your back on us? Yeah? Like 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.240 we said, like I listen to podcasts. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.000 Where I hate the host takes all the time. I 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.840 just keep it pushing, you know, I still think they're 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:38.639 funny and great. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.320 I know, because of the strike, I couldn't even promote 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.360 the show I'm in. But there is a new cartoon 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.800 on Hulu that I really love. It's called Praise p D. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.960 It's incredible. Oh, I have a dressin I've watched every 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.280 episode two three times. It is I hope I mean, 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.040 I hope the strike and everything gets together for my 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.520 own career, but also so I can get more seasons 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.320 of this fucking show. Ye, she's so mad. It's already 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:05.760 a finale. It's done. Ten episodes are done. I'm like heartbroken. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.680 It's so fun and good and I'm. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.760 So glad you're not asking me what I'm caught up on, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:12.600 because I've watched no TV in the last two and 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.320 a half weeks, and I'm about to sit and catch 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.360 up on my Rony and everything I need to catch 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.600 up on right now. Because I am behind. But that's 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.080 as you we're starting. We're starting. Yeah, let's start, let's start. 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.359 We've got a great episode for you today. Don't go 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:34.040 anywhow okay, we are doing web such a dark episode. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.720 Season seven, episode twenty one from the mid auts two 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.280 thousand and six. This episode came out. We open on 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.840 a little puppet saying, how did you feel when your 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.080 mom's boyfriend touched you? 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:45.399 Like that? 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.919 Like that, like a very typical like what you think of, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.560 like show me on the dolly where you were touched 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.840 or whatever. And it's obviously an educational presentation happening at. 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:56.479 A little school. 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.120 And I immediately recognize the puppeteer, and I remember recognizing 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.800 her when I watched this episode. Her name is Jennifer Barnhart, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.399 and I saw her in Avenue Q off Broadway months 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.400 before this episode aired. So when I watched this episode 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.119 in two thousand and six, I was like, wait, I 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.240 know that woman because she's on stage for like all 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.639 of Avenue Q. She's a big part of it. So 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:18.760 she also went on to be in the Broadway version 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.200 of the show. She's also a Sesame Street gal and 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.960 she played Chicago Police Department detective Lorna Diamond in the 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.040 episode Behave, which is the Jennifer Love hewittt episode. So 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.000 I haven't watched that guy in a while, so if 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.159 you see it, you might recognize this puppeteer from that. 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.840 So she's giving this puppet presentation to a school about 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.119 bad touch and they get all the kids to say 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.160 say no, then go, and then they tell the kids 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.440 if they have any secrets or confessions, they can talk 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.080 to them privately after So I thought that was kind 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.439 of weird, but great. Cut to the kids lined up 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.080 to tell the puppet, the puppet and the puppeteer about 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.760 how they rub boogers on their sister, and you know, 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.880 she's like, well, would you want boogers on you? 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:58.479 And whatever? 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.760 And then next up is com one of my brother's names, 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.040 and he says, my friend says, rubbing weenies feels good, 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.120 and you know, the music the music violins start queuing, 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.159 so we know this is like a serious accusation. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:11.399 He says, it's his. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.240 Yeah, and we need the violins because there is a 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:15.080 puppet in the room. 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.840 Yeah, we don't know how serious it is. 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:19.720 We don't need a slide whistle, you know, we need 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.560 to fully, like, make this definitive that it's serious. 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:27.119 I also wonder, like are there puppet open mics? Like 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.159 how do you get in the puppet universe? Are you 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.119 just puppetting in your house and go audition at Sesame Street? 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:33.680 I mean, great question. 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.639 Do you think all the like Bob's Baker's people We 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.760 live near Bob's Baker are one of the most famous 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.480 marionette theaters. It's not the same kind of huppeteering. But 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.320 I wonder if you try to excel in all the 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:44.919 fields and then you try to move your way up 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:48.280 to well, it's Bob a guy, Like have you met 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:49.439 Bob Bob Baker? 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.439 I don't know. I think he might be dead. A 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:52.080 great question. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.560 I don't know, but we should ask our friend aDNA. 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.000 She's worked on Sesame Street with Cookie Monster. I bet 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.680 she could tell us what the trajectory of puppet he 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.639 knows the underworld of Yeah, I think she knows all 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.440 about it. She's also done stop motion, which famously I'm 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:05.000 obsessed with. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.160 Well, because this woman's clearly a very you know, successful 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.480 puppet woman, and so they're taking they're getting top of 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.440 the line people for a tiny part. 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:18.359 Yes, for sure, But I saw Avenue Q with my uncle. 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.560 At the time of this when it came out, I 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.840 was twenty five or something, and I was like, this 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.120 is great. And then it became this like big Broadway show, 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:28.359 so this girl was a big part. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:28.840 Of it anyway. 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.320 So he this kid goes, Colin is saying, my friend 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.960 says warbing Wweni's feels good violence and he goes. They go, 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.720 who's your friend and he's like, it's my friend Jake 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.160 and he just turns around, points to him and everything 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.359 narks him out real quick, and I just I have 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.520 a brother named Jake and a brother named Colin. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:51.080 So freezes Jake freezes. He's like bust it. Yeah. 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.480 So now we've got Stabler one on one with Jake, 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.400 and it's like, did you ask Colin if you could 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:57.119 touch his wienie? 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:58.560 And Jake is like very forthcoming. 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.320 He's like yep, and then he all as someone touched 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.560 his weeni, but he can't tell who it is. In 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.200 walks Jake's brother and mom and the mom's like, what's 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.359 going on here? And Stabler says, Jake says, someone's been 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.000 abusing him, and the mom goes, oh no, not again. 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.199 Close up on Jake close up on Stabler with his 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.360 huge forehead looking very confused, and that's the credits. At 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.680 the top of act one, the mom is talking to 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.160 Huang and telling him about how it's not actually Jake 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.200 who's been abused before, it's her older son, Teddy. While 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.680 she was pregnant with Jake, she caught her ex husband 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.920 touching Teddy. And her ex's name is Gregory Hensel, and 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.320 the boys have her last name now because obviously, who 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.560 wants to walk around with your pedophile father's last name? 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.560 The guy this is wild. The guy pled guilty to sodomy, 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.359 got ten years and was out in seven and the 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.640 mom goes, it was a joke, and that is a joke, 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:55.040 like raping your own son. Seven years that seems very light. 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.639 Then the guy filed for visitation last year. Teddy obviously 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.760 refused to see him, but Jake begged her to let 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.840 him go see his dad, a dad he's never met 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:09.240 before and like Jake is eight, and the mom refused 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.520 until the judge awarded greg weekly supervised visits. Like I 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.320 do not get how that would be possible, Like I 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.800 feel like you molest one of your kids. You just 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.720 don't get to ever see them ever again, Huang start 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.679 serve your time. I mean, the thing is, it's like 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.760 not shocked. None of this is shocking after the reason 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.800 I know, I'm done. Yeah, it's just it feels a 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:30.600 little bit different to me, like, oh, yeah, you rob 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.200 a bank. I'm not gonna say you can never walk 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.840 into a bank again. Like pedophilia is like a different 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.520 kind of you know issue, Like I don't know who 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:39.639 knows if there is a cure. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.240 Maybe you can't go to a bank again. I don't 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.040 know if that would be that that. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.440 Maybe you're not allowed in. You're not allowed in. You 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.399 can use the outdoor ATM but you're not allowed in. 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.639 We can't let you in. No lollipop, You're not allowed 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.480 to come in and do any checking. So Huang starts 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.600 to argue that the visits are therapeutic, and it's like 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.760 Huang read the room, dude, She's not to your reasoning here, 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.879 and she's like therapeutic for who he ruined Teddy's life 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.280 and now he's going to do the same to Jake. 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.720 And Huang's like, but therapy, and the Mom's like, therapy 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.119 did not help Teddy. Seven years ago she took him 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.399 to a shrink and he wouldn't talk. So now in 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.680 the next scene, Huang is walking up to the two brothers. 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.000 Jake is watching his brother play a video game and 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.879 he's like, oh my god, cool, you got it on 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.560 this you scored this level, and the kid's like Teddy's 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.200 like shut up, butt brain, And I recognize the kid 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.800 playing Teddy. His name is Connor Poolo. He was Serena 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.760 vander Woodson's younger brother from the og Gossip Girl. If 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.919 you're a Gossip Girl fan like I was in my 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.040 twenties watching a show about New York high schoolers. He's 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.040 also in the season four episode called Juvenile where the 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.679 two middle school kids assault and murder this woman and 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.919 then he's the mastermind, but he blames it on the 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.720 other kid. But then that kid gets tried as an 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.080 adult because he's fourteen. Crazy episode. We'll probably do it 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:58.720 at some point. Yeah, So this kid, he's got range. Yeah, 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.920 and these are only three seasons apart. So they've got 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.960 Connor Powlo on speed dial and they are booking him. 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:05.760 Baby. 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:11.560 That episode is fucked, Yeah, ending is sad Becky and 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.240 Baker's in it and it. 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.280 Is yes, and he plays the he plays the kind 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.679 of like he reminds me of the same vibe as 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.240 the kid that call McGlaughlin shoots, like kind of weird 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:29.359 socio vibes, you know. So anyway, Huang little faces, big evil. Yeah. Yeah, 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.119 and he's only twelve, So even though he did all 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.680 the shit, like somehow the two year age difference, he 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.400 gets a totally different punishment inside of trial. 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.560 Because Judith Light went at him so hard, like Judith 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.160 Light just wanted this big kid to suffer. No, it's 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:47.240 the mom's fault because they offer a deal. Yeah, and 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.280 they're like, take the deal. Eleano Douglas. Everyone's like, take 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.000 the deal. You don't know about a jury. Just let 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.520 him serve a few years. And she goes, no, no, no, 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.760 everyone will see my boys innocent. And it's like he 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.000 got twenty five years. Oh my god, it's so horrible. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.920 Anyway, he puked and he didn't help. He didn't help. 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.720 You are in trouble, But I feel like five years 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:08.440 could have worked. 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.280 Yeah, juvenile, this kid's not going to offend again. 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.600 Like it's finny anyway, routine, I don't. Yeah, well this 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.440 we're not doing. It's a different episode. 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.040 We will cover this when we cover juvenile, which we 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.720 will do at some point. So Huang takes Jake on 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.840 a walk, and then Stabler shits with Teddy, who like 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.360 won't look up from his video games. Stabler mentions the 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.200 abuse and Teddy's like, it's no big deal, and he's like, well, 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.480 if he hurt your little brother, it's a big deal. 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.400 And he's like whatever, and Stabler's like, what are you playing? 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.200 And he's like it's called a video game. You're not 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.400 very smart, are you. So he's a victim, but he 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.200 is also a little asshole as well, and he says 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.960 he's never gonna see his ass white dad ever again, 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.600 and if Jake wants to, it's his business, and he's like, 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.800 I'm supposed to care if my brother gets molested. But 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.680 clearly this kid is either a sociopath or is just 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.360 so traumatized he refuses to show emotion. Huang is talking 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.800 to Jake, who is a very cute, like he's supposed 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.560 to be eight, but he seems younger. He's explaining how 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.440 him and his dad watched a movie and then they 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.920 played clue, and Huang says, oh, that's where you catch 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.120 the bad guys, like I catch bad guys. 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:11.120 Do you know any bad guys? 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.200 And he's like, not in real life, and Mom and 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.800 Finn are watching through the glass. Finn tells her they 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:16.040 have to. 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:17.800 Run a rape kit. She's so upset. 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:19.960 She remembers going through all of that with Teddy and 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.280 she thought this was all in the past. Elliott comes 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.680 in and says, Teddy's a tough nut to crack, and 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.800 the mom's like, I told you. He locks himself in 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.600 his room playing games. He won't eed at the table 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.160 with us. She starts to freak out uncontrollably. She basically 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.400 starts to have like a panic attack and is like, 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.400 this is a nightmare. I can't believe this is happening again, 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.160 and wild it is, and Stabler has to like calm 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.120 her down, and it's you know, So now Stabler goes 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.239 to talk to the peto father and he's with the 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.800 guy's parole officer and he explains that Gregory is in 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.680 some kind of special pilot program where he offenders meet 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.160 regularly with a parole officer, a psite counselor, and a 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.040 polygraphic examiner. And it's like and he goes, who knows 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:58.880 if it's working with these dirt bags. 0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:00.640 Also don't run. 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.920 Polygraphs are not even acceptable as like in court, and 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.040 you're just kind of teaching guys to beat it. I 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.080 feel like when you give them every week, you're just 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.000 teaching people how to like how it works and how 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:15.040 you beat it. He also says he doesn't supervise the visits, 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.120 So this full child rapist is allowed to see his 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.960 young eight year old son without a law enforcement or 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.520 parole person there at all. 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:24.800 The guy's sister is the supervision. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.360 I like cannot like I literally wrote, I. 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:28.960 Was like fuck that. 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.760 Like if a judge made me take my kid to 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.040 see to these like barely supervised visits, I would just 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.160 go fugitive. I would just move to another state or 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:37.959 like another country and be like we're out of here, 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:38.680 not happening. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.160 But I know that is Yeah he is. That's privilege. 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:46.080 He's crying about parent alienation. That's how he does. 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.280 Yeh, he got a parent alienation lawyer exactly. He's like, 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.440 it's not fair, she's turning him against me. 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:55.240 So the sister I did was ruin my kid's brain 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:56.720 and body and life forever. 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.320 Yeah, and I'm not allowed to see his little brother 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.280 like in world. So the sister comes to the door 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.600 in a little bit. I don't even know him, Like 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.360 that's the other thing. Yeah, son, it's like he was 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.000 born while you were in prison for you know, raping 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:10.760 your other kid. 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:12.960 You don't even know him. Why are you acting like 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:13.400 you need him? 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.760 Yeah? Like I also can't imagine at seven years old, 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.160 when you're a little boy and you have a fourteen 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.160 year old brother who hates this guy, why you wouldn't 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.800 just be like, yeah, I hate him too, because like 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.480 I follow everything my older brother does. You know, Like, 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.240 I don't know why you would insist on these visits. 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.680 But maybe, I mean other kids are like, oh, my dad, 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.400 my dad, my dad. Maybe you're like I want to 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:30.960 see my dad. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:31.360 I don't know. 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.640 But the pedophile sister comes to the door in a 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.400 little vest uniform, and the po asks have you been 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.200 letting him spend alone time with Jake? And she goes, 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.720 no way, I know the rules. And then Gregory walks 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.080 in and goes, oh, you brought back up. I don't 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.360 remember robbing a bank, And it's like, no, you repeatedly 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.920 sexually assaulted your own child. Robbing a bank would be 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.840 a better crime, Like what are you talking about? And 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.560 the actor here is Tim Hopper, and he was in 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.240 an episode that we've covered called Taken, Remember about the 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:03.720 set up rape the hotel with Jenna Lemia where it 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.320 was like, oh, we're just trying to get all the 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.280 money from the hotel. 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:07.959 He's the cousin. 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.880 Yeah, he's the cousin who got the job as a 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.320 bell hop to try to help with the whole scam. 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.960 Yeah, God, little bill billy face. 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.560 Yeah, welcome back to the mix, Tim Hopper. And then 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.560 Stabler takes Gregory into another room to talk to him 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.120 and explains Jake says he was abused, and he goes, 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.240 it wasn't me. I would never and it's like, dude, 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.920 you really can't say I would never. Like he goes, 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.840 I've changed and a judge thinks I've changed, And they 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:36.360 do you think they'd let me see my son if 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.720 I wasn't cured. And it's like, I truly don't know 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.080 why they're letting you see your son. But he says 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.960 he did his time, learned his lesson. It's like he goes, 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:45.800 I'm a grown man who lives with my sister. I'm 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:47.560 not allowed to be alone with my own kid. That's 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:49.800 my life on my on parol. It's like, okay, sad 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.720 sad song, but it's also like it was about learning 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.720 a lesson that to me is like when you rob 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:56.880 a bank, like learn your lesson. You can't steal money, 0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.920 not like you can't abuse children. Anyway, He says he 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.960 can't get away with shit. He takes a lie detector 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.239 every week, and his next appointment is on Monday, and 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.760 Stabler goes, it just got rescheduled, So now we cuts 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.960 Ahuong giving him a lie detector test. He's passing the questions, 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.080 but Finn's like, he takes this once a week, he 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.480 can probably beat the box, like I said. And then 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.400 he asks him if he was alone with Jake and 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.000 he says no, and that is a lie. So then 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.200 Stabler goes to talk to his sister and goes, you lied, 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:24.759 and I'm going to charge you with a coke as 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.040 a co conspirator if you do not talk like you 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.880 left him alone with Jake. She goes, listen, I had 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:31.960 to take a shower before work. I left them alone 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.200 for ten minutes. What could happen in ten minutes? It's 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.560 like full sexual assault could happen in ten minutes. Jesus 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.280 so they bring Henzel to lock up and he's proclaiming 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.200 his innocence. They're like, Jake is eight, he's the same 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.880 age Teddy was, and he goes, did Jake say I 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.520 touched him? He didn't, Diddy, you have to believe me, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.719 I didn't do this, blah blah blah. Finn is like, 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:53.399 we don't have to do a damn thing for you, 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.000 and that's when they get a call from Warner. As usual, 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.880 the story needs to move along. Warner needs us. So 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.719 now we are at Melinda's house. She's got traces of 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.439 saliva from around the area of Jake's genitals, and Finn 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.520 and Stable are like, great, let's put this guy away. 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:08.440 But hold up. 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.040 Melinda shows them Jake's mitochondrial DNA, which is the DNA 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.440 you get from your mother, and then his abusers might 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.400 have cadrial DNA, and boom, they are in exact match. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.520 So it is a familiar relation, but it is done 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.040 done Teddy. So Finn goes like fatherlike son, and that's 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.920 the end of ack to one. So now at school 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.480 they're going there to find Teddy or whatever. Finn says, 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.080 the soccer coach said, Teddy showed up for morning practice, 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.680 which I didn't really know that that was like a 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.040 thing like before school practice was a thing for soccer, 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.360 like I know, swimming for sure, and ice skating and 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.279 things like that. But then he said a kid said 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.120 something to him and he took off like a shot. 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:49.719 And he's not at home because the mom says she 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.160 hasn't seen him since morning. So they walk into the 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.600 school and there are pictures of Teddy plastered everywhere. They 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.439 kind of look like posed glamour shots. But Stabler goes, 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.640 some of these are hardcore, So I got us. The 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.240 ones that we don't look like, we don't see directly 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.879 are probably look like child sex abuse materials. So they 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.239 head to the cafeteria where they hear a commotion and 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.799 it's a fight of Teddy and this other kid like 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.200 punching each other and fighting and they're going. 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.400 Kill him, break his, break this freak's nose. 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.160 Blah blah blah, and they break them apart, and he goes, 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.279 Gordy did it he hung those pictures? And Gordy yells up, 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.880 yours fairy boy, okay. 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.719 And so so fucked up to do that, Like that 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.239 kid should be expelled from Yeah, yeah, that is so 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.440 fucked up, because even in Mean Girls, it's funny like 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:42.080 Jawbreaker not as into this is like fuck you little kid. 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:43.240 Yeah. 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:48.399 Yeah, So Stabler has Teddy now in like an office room, 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.360 and Teddy has been how I was able to print 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.200 so many and some of them are giant sizes, like 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.360 weel like getting the printing capabilities for all these photos. 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.919 I think at the school newspaper, which we find out later. 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:05.400 I think he was using this school printer. But Stabler 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.400 has Teddy in an office right now, and I can't 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.759 not call out that Teddy has very red lips. He 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.360 literally looks like he just like pounded some Hawaiian punch. 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:12.560 I do. 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.640 I'm not trying to like be pervy, but he just says, 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.000 lips look like he's wearing lipstick, Like they're very rare. 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.160 So as really like kind of curly gelled short hair. 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.839 He is Betty Boop from the neck up. Yeah, he 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.359 does have that vine for sure. Somebody like joke eat him. 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.880 So anyway, they're like, why would Gordy do that? Why 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.799 would he want to humiliate you? And stable? And he 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.040 doesn't want to say anything. Stabler's like, if you don't talk, 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:37.880 I can't help, and he goes, why are you so 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.000 interested in me? Those pictures turn you on? And Stable goes, yeah, 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.160 the ones with your little brother made me sick, and 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.600 he goes, uh. He goes the rape kit proves that 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.600 you hurt your brother, and he goes, no, I didn't 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.560 hurt Jake, and then Stabler goes, you molested him, and 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.480 Teddy goes, so, my dad did stuff to me and 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.680 it didn't mess me up, and it's like, wow, this 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.960 is You're telling on yourself pretty hard here, Like you 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:00.880 don't even first you said you didn't hurt him, and 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.040 then you're like, wow, the little some mouth stuff's not bad. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.520 It's like terrible. And then he's like, your dad screwed up. 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.600 Your head's so bad you don't even know what you've done. 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.319 So now we cut to Finn talking to Gordy and 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.640 this kid fucking sucks. 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.759 He says, hanging pictures is not a crime. I know 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:15.280 my rights. 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.360 I'm in journalism and Finn goes, you're in puberty, and 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.120 it's like, lol, I worked on my high school and 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.400 college newspapers and I did not know my rights. Like 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:24.920 if a cop had come to talk to me at 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:25.840 those times, I would. 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:26.960 Have been like what do you need to know? 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.120 And the kids all freedom of speech is the cornerstone 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.520 of democracy. And then he says he hung all those 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.120 pictures because Teddy's a freak and everyone needs to know it. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.759 So it's like, what are you, Tucker Carlson, Like your 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.360 work is not like this is not important work that 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.160 you're doing. Oh so where is Tucker gone? Did he 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.520 get a job? But he's just chilling? Wait, he's going 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.839 for I think he's going through a lawsuit because he's 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.560 trying to like start his own I believe Twitter show 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.280 or x whatever we call that place now. But he's 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.759 gotten like non competes with Fox that he has to 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.279 like fight in court because he's not supposed to work 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.400 for like the next two years. Ooh, I love fighting 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.520 your little boss daddy. Yeah, but I also hope that 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:09.959 I also hope that the contract is binding and Fox 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:11.919 wins and that that man just can't talk for two years. 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:13.319 That would be so great. I would love it. I 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.440 mean he could talk like loot of him wasting his 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.080 money in court is yeah too? Yeah pretty nice. 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.319 So but he's so rich, I mean the contract they 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.279 bought him out with was millions, so he's probably just 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.040 using their own money to fight them. But anyway, this 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.879 kid is fucking terrible. He's like when Fid goes, did 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.560 Teddy touch you? He goes, I'm not an F word slur, 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.759 like you know, and it's like you're a young Republican 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.600 for sure, Gordy, Like you have to let the school 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.959 know that this kid might be gay, Like that's what's 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.759 behind all of this, Like that's your republic, that's your 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:50.440 uh like journalistic integrity and action. Anyway, Finn thinks that 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.840 Gordy made the pictures with photoshop, but he goes, no, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.440 I found them on the web. Everybody drink the name 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.120 of the episode. And then he found a link that 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.279 got posted on Teddy's my site profile and it led 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:05.440 to this website called Teddy'streehouse dot com. So now we 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.360 cut to Terru Akaarubin Morales aka Joel de la Fuente, 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:13.160 friend of the pod, who actually has a big episode today, 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.399 so you know, we're happy we've been able to talk 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.120 to him, and he's giving the gang the whole breakdown. 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.439 He calls Teddy's Treehouse a child porn superstore. He says 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.040 there's picks webcam videos starring Teddy, and according to the billing, 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:26.000 it's all Teddy. 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:26.919 These guys pay. 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.200 The membership is thirty dollars a month, and these guys 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.760 pay Teddy and it all gets deposited into an online 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.839 account and then he buys shit online with it. There's 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.799 never any cash changing hands. And he would schedule live 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.000 shows and the website has is basically a window into 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.600 his bedroom and all these pedophiles pay, and it's over 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.360 a thousand guys. So over one thousand guys paying thirty 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.040 a month. Is that's thirty K a month that this 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.360 kid is making on his videos. 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.760 You can't track the subscribers. They're smart. 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:58.839 They use offshore ISPs that don't respond to like US subpoenas, 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.520 and so they're like, go get the kid to give 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.960 up some names, Craigan says, But Sabler's like, let me 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.560 start with Jake first. So Jake says talking, so Stable's 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.640 not talking to Jake, and he says that the pictures 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.279 are for Teddy's friends on the computer, and he said 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.040 they made they took pictures and they made the pretending movie. 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:18.839 Teddy's friends told them to do stuff and they did it, 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.040 like acting in a movie and Teddy told him that 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.919 his friends were buying tickets to see it, and that 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.400 you know, if they buy tickets, he can use the 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.480 money for presents for Teddy. And then Teddy said, if 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.879 you get good at it, they'll buy you presents too. 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.319 He says he's only done one of these videos, but 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.399 Teddy said, we could do more, but so far they've 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.480 only done one. Behind the glass of the one way Mirror, 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:42.000 Morales's piss like ted He's like Teddy abused his brother 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.400 on camera for those pervs like and Craigan goes shut 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:49.160 the site down and then Stabler's like, oh, was it fun? 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:50.279 And Jake's like, I don't know. 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.360 And you know that's when Teddy promised him that he 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.680 would get his own presence too, And Finn says, Teddy's 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.480 lawyer's here, so in an interview room. Teddy's lawyer is 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.400 always fun to see him. Trevor lane In aka Peter Herman, 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:07.400 mister Mrshkahargate and a love interests I guess on the 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.200 New Just and just like that season, which I love. 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.279 I haven't seen any of it yet. I'm gonna watch 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.200 it all on my vacation next week. But yeah, wild 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.800 I'm glad he's getting more time because he is truly 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.080 one of the most handsome men I think working. Stabler 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.520 busts in and says, Jake told me about the pretending movies, 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.799 and Teddy goes so and Stabler goes, those men are 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.880 using you, and Teddy goes, they pay me. It's my choice, 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:32.920 and he goes like it was Jake's choice to be 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.080 molested by you, and Teddy goes go to hell, and 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.160 the lawyer is like tre even. Trevor's like, you got 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.560 to calm down, bro, and he goes. Sabler goes, you 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.880 think you're this little entrepreneur, but you've committed serious crimes. 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.439 Trevor's like, would you consider a deal if Teddy names 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.520 the subscribers, And Teddy's like standing up for these guys. 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.759 He's like, no way, these guys pay me crazy loot. 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.680 You think I'm gonna give that up? Like he has 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.719 like no concept at all that he's committed crimes and 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.279 like fully ruined his brother's life. And his lawyer is 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.719 trying to say that Teddy is clearly the victim here, 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:03.520 while Teddy is like, I am not a victim. I 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.440 make money like I am Mark Cuban and so the 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.239 men who pay for this are the problem is what 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.760 Trevor says, and then Teddy goes. He calls it a problem. 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:14.880 I call it a business. And they both look at 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.479 Teddy like, fuck, this kid is super fucked. Let's step 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:18.560 outside and talk about this. 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.560 Let's go talk about him over there. 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.880 Yeah, So Stabler goes, maybe after an arraignment, he'll realize 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.759 this isn't a joke, Like, does jail time not mean 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.920 anything to you, Teddy? And Trevor is arguing that he 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.920 can give up like hundreds of real perps. He just 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.440 needs time to get Teddy to agree to give up 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.960 the names. So they bring their convo around to where 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.799 the mom is waiting and she's like, wait, what, you're 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.840 resting him and they're like, I have to. He molested 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.440 his little brother, and Trevor argues he's acting out his 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.759 own abuse, and he's like, let me work on him. 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.960 He begs them to let Teddy go home for the night. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.759 Jake will be safe. The mom is sending her to 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.239 her mother's house. He'll shut down. If he goes to jail, 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.360 we'll never get anything out of him ever again, and 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.440 Stabler gives in and is like take him home. 0:43:59.320 --> 0:43:59.880 But I want him here. 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.319 Nine am ready to name names, and the mom's like, 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.960 thank you, Stabler, I love your forehead. And so now 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:08.359 Elliott is in a very fast paced walk and talk 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.200 with Novak and she's like, risky, move dude, hope Langon 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.960 can get Teddy to talk, and Stabler's like, I'd rather 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.399 bag the predators than the prey. So when they walk 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.960 into Casey's office, sitting on the couch is Donna Geison. 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:22.960 Then i'ven say your last name, so I'm kind of 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.800 guessing here on the pronunciation. And she's a US attorney 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.960 played by Kate mulgrew aka Read from Orange is the 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.640 New Black, and Captain Janeway from Star Trek, which I 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.200 would never know, but every time I was watching Orange, 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.920 my husband would come in and go, it's Captain Janeway. 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.719 So for all the Trekies, there you go. 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.000 And she, you know, she has that like sort of 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:49.920 like foxy foxy lockjaw voice that I love, and she's like, 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.680 I'm just here to tell you that the US Attorney's 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.560 office is taking custody of Tenny Whitnock. 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.960 So apparently they're trying to argue that they've been building 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.600 a case against this kid for a year, and then 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.920 they're like and then you guys bust in and you know, 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.600 Sabler's like, he's just a kid, and she goes Justice. 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.200 Doesn't care if he's four or fourteen. 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.719 And so I don't understand how if they've been working 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.319 a case against this for a year, they let him 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.480 be in a house with his eight year old brother, 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:20.279 where like they could have inferred that he could be 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.759 doing something or like that, you're just gonna let child 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.680 pornography like run in and out of a house where 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.480 an eight year old is living. So I blame the 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.640 US attorneys for Jake's probably Jake's yeah issues. I mean 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:34.160 that's what we just had that episode with the pediatrician 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.520 where it was like, oh, the cops did their investigation 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.960 and in that time, another kid was molested, and then 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:40.320 they're trying to like sue the department. 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.200 So anyway, she. 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.320 Says, when we got word of the arrest, we voted 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:45.840 out the indictment this afternoon. 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:47.080 I don't know what that means. 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.520 They've made it so that his indictment in New York 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.440 court is out, and so that now they're going to 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.360 try him as in a US like federal case. I 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.239 don't know, And Casey goes, what if he flips on 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.200 all his subscribers and she was like, no one made 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.520 him build the website. And they're like, do you want 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.920 one confused kid or a thousand pervs? And she tells them, 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:05.719 you know, we have a zero tolerance policy when it 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.719 comes to producers of kitty smut, and Casey's like, there's 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.840 a big difference between this kid, Teddy, who is a 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.799 victim himself, and a grown man who exploits kids. And 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.239 Donna says, he exploited his little brother and it's like, bitch, 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.000 you let it happen. You were building a case against him. Anyway, 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.360 she says, we're not going to wait until the morning 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.959 and starts to make a call and Stabler goes, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:24.759 I'll bring him in. 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.600 So Stabler goes to the house. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.080 The mom says, I just talked to him and so 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.080 as his lawyer, he will not reconsider. And so I 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.200 guess his move is just like I'll take jail time. 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:37.320 Like I don't understand he's going to go to jail 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.440 for a chunk of his life because he doesn't want 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.640 to give up the people that are paying him, but 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.120 you can't use the money when you're in jail. So 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.279 I guess I don't get the fourteen year old logic here, 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:47.240 but that's probably part. 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:50.759 Of the point. So he she knocks on Teddy's door 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:52.040 and he goes, what do you want? But he won't 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:52.400 open the. 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.720 Door, and then Stabler he hears Stabler's there. He starts 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.200 to break down the door and they see when they 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.200 open the door that the window is open. Teddy he's 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:04.279 on the fire escape, escaping and Stapler Stapler. I just 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.000 called him Stapler. That's first. I never called him Stapler 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:12.440 before Stabler. Wait, I'm obsessed with that, because then maybe 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:13.840 we can make Stapler merch. 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.200 We can't make Stabler merch. But no one owns a Stapler. 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.040 We need something that's a good Benson fuck up, like 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:27.680 just a stapler with a butt. Yeah, Stabler with a butt, 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.520 a button, a gun. Let's go all of our artistic listeners, 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.560 let's get the let's get the stapler butt going. So 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.839 Stabler chases him to the street but loses him. 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:39.240 Oh, I have an idea. 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.040 It's like a stapler and then it's like the back 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:45.719 of his butt, like sitting on it seductively, you know. 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:46.120 What I mean. 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.920 But it's sitting on the stapler. Yeah, like he's a 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:52.239 diving board. He's on a diving board, or like he's 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:54.839 one of those iron workers eating lunch in the sky, 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.399 you know, like sitting on a thing, or but like. 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.880 What if he is a stapler and like the top 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.200 the stapler is the butt cheeks. So every time you 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.240 staple something, it's like you're pushing down the butt cheeks, 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.280 and the cheeks are kind of what's crunching the stapler 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:06.880 into something. 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:08.400 I like that the staple. 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.920 You know, I don't know. We're just workshopping this. You 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.920 guys are listening to our genius as it happens. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.319 When I think of stapler, I only think of the 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.480 red stapler from Office Space. Yeah, somebody took my stapler 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:22.800 and that's not it's my stapler. 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:28.920 Yeah. I love that. Good at an impression. Thank you 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:29.479 so much. 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.000 Okay, So top of AC three, the gang's all working hard, 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.680 but Teddy is in the wind. There's train alerts and 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.440 airport alerts, but they're like, he won't get out of 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.200 the city. And you hear a voice, go he will 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.279 if he has help. And it's Morales, and he's been 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.560 monitoring the chats on Teddy's website message boards, and there's 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.560 a guy named Sunshine Guy nine thousand who wrote Teddy's 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.440 at the Nest, Help is on the way, and Craigan's like, 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.640 hold up, I told you to shut this website down, 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.480 but you let these pervs keep chatting online, and now 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.080 Teddy is missing because you dis obeyed my order. Like, 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:04.320 Craig is about to pop a top and the Feds 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:06.839 are gonna want somebody's head. Give me one reason why 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:08.960 I shouldn't hand them yours, and Morales is like, I 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.879 can make this right. The post right before Sunshine Guy 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.640 is a guy named Funfella thirteen. These names are so crazy. 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.320 Funfella thirteen says we gotta help Teddy, and then Sunshine 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.280 Guy says help is on the way, so it seems 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.080 like they're working together. Sunshine Guy went dark after these posts, 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:27.360 but Funfella has been all over the web chatting on 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.680 other teen sites. We got to lure him out and 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.040 sweat him for an idea on Sunshine Guy. They say, 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:36.839 Craigan goes set it up. So Funfella just entered a 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:40.800 chat room called soccer Rules with a z and I 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.160 love that. What do you do when you go into 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:44.960 a soccer rules chat room? You just go, oh, I 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.839 love soccer. What's your favorite part? Oh? I love kicking 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.040 the ball and scoring goals? And what kind of shin 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:52.960 guards do you wear? I don't know, Like, where did 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.640 these conversations go? I'll tell you where they go. Morales 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.200 starts posting as a fifteen year old named Brad who 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:00.960 is a sweeper on the JV team and he. 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.279 Does not like girls. Ew yuck. 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.040 Vun Fella falls for this in record speed, asks are 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:08.920 you a virgin? I can show you how to do 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.080 it so it won't hurt the guy wants to meet. 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.399 It's like it takes ten seconds. This pedophile has been 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.719 snared and we are meeting him. So now we're all 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.760 in position before the meet. They let Morales come along. 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.600 Why is there a CSU Why is there a Taru 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:22.919 guy in the car with them? 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:24.839 It's confusing, we'll find out. 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.799 Yeah, so he's in the car with Stabler and Sailor's like, dude, 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.360 why did you disobey Kraigan and not shut down the website? 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:33.560 And Morales is like I knew those pedophiles would just 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:35.439 go somewhere else and he's like, so you just risk 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.520 your career and he's like, I needed to get him. 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.040 He explains that his sister is a single mom who 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.839 works long hours. Her son, Freddie, is twelve. He goes 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.480 online to make friends. A new buddy convinced him to 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.719 go see a movie. Turned out the guy was forty three, 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:51.319 took the Morales's nephew to a hotel and sexually assaulted him. 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.600 So they never found the guy, and Morales feels bad 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:56.680 because he's the one that gave Freddie the computer, So 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.920 this has a personal connect for Morale. So then Morales 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.280 spots fun and I think we talked to him about 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:05.640 this role a little bit, So if you want to 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.399 go back and listen to the episode where we talked 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.839 to him, we now have all of our guest names 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.600 in our episodes, so you should be able to find it. 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.360 So Morales then spots Funfella walking down a busy city street. 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.160 Funfella walks into this diner where Finn is waiting, and 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.040 Finn goes, what's up, fun Fella, I'm a little older 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:23.520 than fifteen, but maybe we could still be friends. That 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.520 if I was a pedophile, that would be my worst 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.080 nightmare a Finn coming up to me with like a 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:31.120 little piffy joke about how I'm a pedophile, and then 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.439 other cops stand up and grab him and he tells 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:34.840 them his name is Ralph Zesner. 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:36.680 And in the bag that he's got. 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.160 With him, he's got wine coolers and condoms, because he said, oh, 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:40.480 I just came in here to eat, and it's like 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:42.640 with a bag of wine coolers and condoms, okay, sir. 0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:46.000 So in interrogation, Finn goes, what were you planning on 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:50.400 getting frisky with the hamburglar? I don't really get that one, 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.920 but let's put it in the Finn quote book. I mean, 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.440 I know, were they in a McDonald's. I guess it's 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.520 just confusing. It's like, if they were in a McDonald's, 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:58.719 that would make sense to me, but I think they 0:51:58.719 --> 0:51:59.840 were just in a New York diner. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.320 So they're like, where's Teddy? And he goes, who's Teddy? 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:04.759 And they're like, give it up, man, we have your 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.800 membership to a site and your chat with a fifteen 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:08.280 year old who was actually a cop. 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.440 And he goes, I'm a horrible person. I'm trying to 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:10.839 get better. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.280 I'm seeing a shrink and then this guy also admits 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:14.200 that he's a teacher. 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:15.840 Oh yikes. 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.680 So they start grilling him about Sunshine Guy and helping 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.359 Teddy run away from the Nest and his mother's house, 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.239 and they're like, his mother's house isn't the nest. The 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.480 Nest is an apartment in a building called Eagle Plaza. 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.239 That's why it's called the Nests like Eagle. Teddy so 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.480 good at double entendre. So apparently this is where Teddy 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.879 films his shows and he was going there to hide out. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:40.319 So Finn and Sabler walk into this massive apartment and 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.920 they see pizza boxes, soda can, high tech gear, a 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.720 teen boys fantasy crash pad, they call it. So honestly, 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.479 any apartment where you could just go hang out would 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.520 be a teen fantasy crash pad. 0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:53.520 This place is massive. 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:57.840 Stabler checks out the last show that's on the camera, 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.680 and it's Teddy talking to camera, going, it might be 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.280 a while before you guys see me. Things are getting 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.640 pretty annoying here because I'm molested my brother and now 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.880 the cops are after me, and he's gone. 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:09.600 He's gone to stay. 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.400 He says, I'm going to stay with some friends in Oregon, 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:14.640 which is not how you say it, and it just 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:17.680 really made me laugh that he was like Oregon, how 0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:19.879 a New York kid, I think would say it. Then 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.759 a visitor enters the room and Teddy's like, oh hey, 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.000 what's up. Like he doesn't seem scared, he knows the guy. 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.439 But then we see this guy wearing like a black 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.239 leather jacket just like chloroform Teddy and throw him over 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.680 his shoulder and kidnap him. But you don't see his 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.720 face obviously, and the guy had his own key. Teddy's 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.600 too young to lease that place on his own, so 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:40.840 let's check out that angle. So now they're at the 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:44.840 Eagle Plaza building talking to the leasing guy or whatever, 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:47.120 who says that it was leased by four months ago 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.960 by a guy named Claude Henderson one two three four 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.040 Happy Town Lane. He pays with an out of state 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.520 check which is from Garfield, New Jersey. So now they 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:58.040 roll up on Claude Henderson and surprise, it's an old 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.279 man in a wheelchair who can barely speak, and his 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.319 nurse explains that his identity has recently been stolen, so 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:05.799 obviously this apartment's being paid for with this poor old 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.719 man's money. So if you've been wondering where the fuck 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:13.560 Olivia has been, remember that the last episode was I 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.600 think the last episode of the episode before was lou 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.759 Diamond Phillips slashed her neck and then killed a little 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.160 boy in front of hundreds of people, And there was 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:23.879 the whole thing where her and Stable were maybe too 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.840 close because he stopped to help her and said a 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:29.080 little boy. So she transferred to Computer crimes, the computer 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.960 crimes unit, So Finn and Stabler roll up on her 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.279 at a cubicle where she's tippy tap typing, and she 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.520 looks shocked to see them. She's like, what are you 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.160 doing here? And they're like, we need your help. Fade 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.960 to commercial up on the last act. The top of 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.400 the last act, Live is talking to them and is like, 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.520 even if Morales wanted to, he couldn't track these pedophiles. 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:48.920 He doesn't have the software. 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:52.280 Baby, but Live does hot off the press from Homeland Security. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.640 She's telling them how terrorists have gone digital and that 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.280 searches that used to take a day now take twenty minutes. 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.719 And Stabler's like, wow, you're really into this and she's like, 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.120 uh yeah, it's scams and fraud I haven't seen blood 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:04.120 or tears in weeks. 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.440 I could use a break. So is this baby time? 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:08.960 What is this break? Yes? 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.640 Yes, yes, because lou Diamond Phillips told us that she 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.600 was pregnant in that scene, like you know, like and 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.239 it was so I think that she They're putting her 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:18.960 in something where she can be behind a desk, she 0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:21.279 doesn't have to run after any purpse or anything, and 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:23.360 that's what's happening here with the computer crimes. 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.839 She looks gorgeous, she's glowing. 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:30.160 And so she explains to them that she's been following 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:33.000 Sunshine Guy's activity and that the next time he chats 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.719 with anyone, she can pinpoint exactly where he is. And 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:39.320 uh ding dong, he just came online and uh oh 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.640 his IP is at Mercy Hospital. Finn's like Jesus, first 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:46.920 a teacher, now a doctor, what's next? The vice president? Okay, 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:51.640 And so they scurry away and I'll pregnant. Marishka smiles 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.960 at them, and then Elliott does this like high school 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:56.840 boy thing where he kind of hangs out for like 0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.520 an extra second and he goes seea and he's just 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.000 like like try to act like he doesn't care, but 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:06.520 he obviously does and live is like by you know, 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:08.959 and then I kind of I like it if you 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:11.080 need to rewatch it. It's a funny little moment. And 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:14.120 so the detectives bust into an exam room and fuck, 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:17.040 it's a pediatrician. Like it couldn't just be an anesthesiologist, 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:20.200 it's a full pediatrician. He says his name is doctor Lucas, 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.960 and Finn is like, but I'll call you Sunshine guy. 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.640 And to his patients he's like, this is a mistake. 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.560 I'll be right back. But then to the cops he goes, 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.800 Teddy's gone and you'll never find him, like truly like evil. 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.200 This man, he like doesn't even try to hide it. 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.240 He knows who Teddy is. And he's like, I helped 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:37.399 hide him. And you guys are barking up the wrong 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.759 tree in a bars and cement room? 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.080 Is that what we're calling them? Bars and cement? Okay, 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:43.879 so we're in a bars and cement room now. 0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:46.600 Elliot is talking to doctor Lucas saying, if you help us, 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.000 we can avoid a life sentence for you, and he says, 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.080 why would I help you? You're trying to put Teddy 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:53.440 in jail, and he says, I was in the hospital 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:56.360 all day, so I've got an alibi. I didn't take Teddy. 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.560 So it's like, okay, who did you send in your place? 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.919 And he gives this like smug pedophile smirk like I'll 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:02.479 never tell. 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.480 And then the guys like you don't care about Teddy? 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.360 We do, and he goes, I'm not saying another word, 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:11.000 and then it's like wild that he's just going to 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.120 throw away his freedom and his entire career for this 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:18.200 fourteen year old kid, Like that's like, sorry, I just 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:19.880 like I am willing to go to jail. I just love 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.000 this boy so much that I've like never seen in 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.680 real life. Stabler goes to check in with Morales. He's 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.600 at the end of his rope. He's searching everywhere on 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:29.480 the internet, but these guys are so hard to find. 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:32.440 No one is mentioning Teddy on the chat rooms or anything, 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:36.120 and he's feeling really frustrated. Sabler's like, why don't you 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.320 head home, man, Like this seems like it's taking a 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:41.440 toll on you, And he's like, it's too late. Teddy's 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:43.560 dead and it's my fault. And Elliott's gets a call 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:47.240 and goes I'll be right there. So we're not really 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:48.640 dealing with Morales's issues. 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:49.560 It's live. 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:53.800 Obviously she pulled Lucas's cell phone records calls and texts 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:55.720 without a warrant, and she goes, I didn't think you'd 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.840 want me to wait. So it's like, wow, computer crimes 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.360 has made her a real rule breaker. So now we 0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.120 know that he was texting with a guy named good 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.320 Friend twenty two who's another subscriber. But good Friend twenty 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:11.080 two is on a burner. Lucas won't talk to them, 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.360 but they're like, Live, maybe you can give it a shot. 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:15.720 Maybe put on like a sort of oversized coat so 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:17.560 we can't see your pregnancy and come give this guy 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:20.240 give it a shot. So now at the precinct, Live 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.600 says she wasn't planning on coming back, and Stabler goes, 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.000 it's in your blood, and she goes, yeah, that's the problem. 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.720 So when they walk into interrogation, they find Morales there 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.520 beating the shit out of this guy, Doctor Lucas just 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:33.200 like punching. 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:34.760 Okay, computer door. 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:38.680 Yeah, like wow, somebody is stepping it up, and so 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.680 he at first Stabler goes wait a sec and then 0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:44.720 Lives like, no, we have to stop this and he's 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:48.080 like they So they break them up and then he's like, sorry, Olivia, 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:49.480 are you going to turn me in? And she's like, 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:50.800 get the hell out of here. If I don't turn 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.560 you in, this guy will. So liv asks Lucas about 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.000 Good Friend twenty two. He's still not talking. He says 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.320 it's not a kidnapping. Teddy went into hiding voluntarily. So 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.080 they show him the video where Teddy is like struggling 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:05.280 being chloroformed, and they're like, does this look voluntary to you? 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:08.560 And he goes, I just wanted to protect him. I 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.360 love him. And this is what I learned on an 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.160 episode of You're Wrong About which is that like a 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.920 real majority of pedophiles actually do not think that they 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:18.960 are hurting kids. They think that they are in a 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:23.000 relationship that involves a lot of love. So it's not true, 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.240 it's not reality, but like that's what's going through their heads. 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.280 So this man is you know, loves Teddy, is in 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:30.440 love with him, and he's saying he doesn't know the 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.680 man in the video, and Live starts playing him and 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:35.720 is like, you know, this guy doesn't love Teddy like 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:37.800 you do think of that boy? You love with his 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.400 perfect thin body, and now picture it bruised and broken 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:42.200 and covered in blood. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:43.360 If he dies, it's on you. 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.840 And the guy is like, truly like QAnon, He's like, 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.760 this tape is fake. None of us would hurt Teddy, 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.919 like he cannot imagine that of a thousand subscribers, there's 0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.040 one guy that would take it too far. Can't imagine 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.720 that lives like. He's like, we all just love Teddy 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.840 so much as impossible. Live go, I guess he's not 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:02.920 gonna fall for it, and Stabler goes, I told you 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:05.240 he was sharp. And then they just tell Lucas he 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:08.360 can leave, and he's like, huh, And this is always 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:10.919 a trap whenever they tell a perp that they're too 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:14.360 smart for them or something. So obviously they let him 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:16.240 go so they can follow his ass, which is exactly 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.040 what they do. He goes straight to an internet cafe 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:23.080 like a moron. Stabler is staking out out in the car. 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.880 Live is back at her lab with her supercomputer, and 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.760 Lucas is chatting with good friend online, who says Teddy 1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:32.600 will be quiet, we are safe, and then they trace 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:36.280 the call to Washington, the call, the text, the chat, whatever, 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.240 they trace it to Washington Heights, and then they finally 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.480 pinpoint an actual address on West one hundred and eighty 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.120 eighth Street, which I think is like where I lived 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.760 when I was like two years old, but anyway or one. 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.640 So they bust into this house and a man starts 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.040 immediately running upstairs. 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:52.600 Stabler sacks him. They fight. 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.600 There's punching, like this guy punches Stabler punches this guy 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:57.120 a few times, but then the guy gets a couple 1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:59.720 in on Stabler. Then the guy has a fire poker 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:03.760 and Stabler he kind of smacks Stabler's gun out of 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:06.920 his hand. They struggle, They land on a coffee table together. 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.240 Finally Stabler just like fucking cock cold cocks him like 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:13.720 three times and just knocks him out. And then Finn 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.880 comes up and says, Teddy's not downstairs. They go into 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:18.640 the bedroom that's like right next to the room where 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:23.720 they've been like sparring, and Teddy is tied to a bed, gagged, crying, 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.640 and so Stabler frees him and goes, you're going to 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.160 be okay, and Teddy looks very understandably very upset, like 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.760 his life has been pretty terrible up to this moment. 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:35.480 So now we're at Saint Mark's Hospital. Teddy's talking to 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.840 Stabler and he goes, You're right about those guys. They 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:39.680 were all using me. I thought they were my friends. 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:42.160 I thought they loved me, and they ruined my life 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.120 and now I'm all alone. And Stabler's like, what about 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.120 your family? They're the ones who love you, And he's like, 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.640 they'll never forgive me, and he's like, no, they know 1:01:49.720 --> 1:01:51.439 it's not all your fault. And then the mom comes 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:53.400 in and says, are you okay? And he says, I'm 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.080 not okay, and he apologizes to his mom. 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:57.480 They hug their tears. 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:02.200 Hopefully this is going to be a you know, growing 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.000 moment for the family and they can all get the 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:05.960 therapy that they need and you know, at least be 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:09.280 communicating with each other. Like teen's shut down all the time, 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:11.640 but if this teen needs to be talking to somebody. 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:17.000 So Stabler walks out, Donna aka Red approaches and he's like, 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:19.080 you got some nerve? What are you here to like 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.400 arrest him like in his hospital bed, and she goes, 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:24.720 I'm in a grant Teddy immunity in exchange for giving 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:25.880 up the names of the pedophiles. 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:26.440 No jail. 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:28.680 He'll go to a residential treatment facility and he'll get 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:31.040 the help that he needs. So we got Captain Jane 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:35.000 Way to be chill about a fourteen year old victim. 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.760 So now at the precinct, Live comes out of Kragan's 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:39.880 office and he goes, it was a tough decision, Olivia, 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:42.120 but you made the right call. And Stabler's like, so 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:44.200 you did it. She goes, I didn't have a choice, 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.360 and he's like whatever. Morales is a good guy, and 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:50.640 liv goes, you think I rated him out and he goes, no, no, 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.280 I know that's not your style. And she goes, thanks, 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.480 and then he goes, so what are you doing here? 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:58.560 And she goes, I work here, and then she sits 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:01.800 down at her desk. Stabler fights the urge to jump 1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:05.320 for joy. These two have like partner desks facing each other, 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.160 and so the scene ends with just them going through 1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:11.320 papers together with just like lamplight on them. And that's 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:14.440 Dick Wolf Baby Benson and Stabler back together. 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:17.800 Kara. I mean, that was an amazing recap. Thank you 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.320 so much. You know what also is amazing. We are 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:21.040 going on tour. 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:22.720 I know we talked about it a little bit on 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:24.240 the top, but some of you I think are fast 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.479 forwarding and so here we are in your brains. Don't 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.240 even touch that plus thirty button, you little bitch. I'm 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:32.320 telling you about our tour. We are so excited you guys. 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:35.080 We love touring live. We can only go to cities 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:37.200 if people come out. So we sold out DC our 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:38.959 first show. We added a three thirty show. 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:39.800 Please come to that. 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:41.800 It would be so sad for our first show to 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:42.920 have like ten people. 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:44.320 And then we do a soldout. 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:48.600 Show Atlanta City Winery, gorgeous venue. We're coming to you, Charlotte, 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:52.120 the Comedy Zone, Raleigh, the Raleigh Improv Out, and Carrie. 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.120 We're so excited. My brother's going to be at that show. 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:56.640 If you guys want to come and meet a clank, 1:03:56.800 --> 1:04:00.200 come on out. Then in October we're doing Buffalo, have 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:04.320 in Burlington, Cleveland, Boston, guys. We're doing a venue in 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:08.720 Boston called the Wilbur. We basically are really shooting our 1:04:08.720 --> 1:04:09.720 shot here with the Wilburg. 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:12.000 It's a lot of seats. We really want us, We 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:13.200 really want people to come. 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:15.480 So if you know anyone in Boston who loves SVU, 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:17.360 if you know anyone in Boston who's just like laughing, 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:18.400 Please send them our way. 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:21.320 Come buy a ticket and see us in Boston, and. 1:04:21.280 --> 1:04:25.920 Then there's a ton more cities for the rest of Toronto, Detroit, Pittsburgh, 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:29.840 and then a bunch of Midwest dates out in November 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.400 that we can plug more later. But go to Thats 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:35.240 messed up live dot com to find out when where 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:39.360 get tickets. And we appreciate you supporting us. Now we'll 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:57.400 be right back with a true crime. Okay, So this 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:00.000 is such a wild's case. So in two thousand and five, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:04.120 I've a New York Times business journalist, Kurt Eichenwald. 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.920 That's the way we're gonna call him. That is his name. 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:08.680 I just don't know if iken Wald's the way you 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:09.640 say it, but it must be. 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.720 It is. You know about this guy, No, but I 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:13.920 know you're saying this stuff. 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:17.280 You know he sounds really familiar. I bet I have 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.760 read something of his. So he did an interview and 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:23.880 wrote a front page story in the New York Times 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:28.280 about a teenager named Justin Barry who was a teenage 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:29.479 pornography star. 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:31.360 And that's quoted a New York magazine. 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:33.880 I obviously wouldn't call a thirteen year old a child 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.240 pornography star, but you know, it was a different time. 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:40.360 So Ike and Wild had an interest in shedding light 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:44.560 into the world's dark places. That's what New York Magazine 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:45.200 said about him. 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:48.400 But he just really enjoyed uncovering wrongdoing and bringing criminals 1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:51.200 to account. But when he started this story, he had 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:54.440 no idea what he was taking on. So child exploitation 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:56.600 was the last thing he was gonna do. He's a 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.240 business reporter, that is what he's known for, and he 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:03.280 was looking for his project. He wanted something international, so 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:08.640 he typed into Google, Interpol fraud Alert and Investigations, and 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:12.640 that led him to a website called Mexicofriends dot com. 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:14.960 And he thought that was just going to be like, 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:18.800 you know, cross the border money laundering, but it was 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:24.280 actually an amateur porn operation starring Justin Barry, who at 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:28.919 this time was eighteen years old. And this journalist, Eichenwald 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:32.360 was very maloney. He had two young sons and him 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:34.680 and his wife just couldn't stop thinking about his own children, 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.440 and he's like, we have to fucking do something. So 1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:43.000 this is what started a six month investigation, and it was. 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:43.720 Dark as fuck. 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:46.800 So he's quoted a New York magazine saying this is 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:49.840 an organized crime business. These are people. We're not talking 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:52.840 about people with an affinity for scotch. They spend their 1:06:52.960 --> 1:06:57.360 days talking and living and breathing the sexual issues of children. 1:06:57.840 --> 1:06:58.560 And that's the thing. 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:02.200 It's like, the wild thing about pedophiles is you know, 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:04.720 like a lot of people are just horned up, but 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:07.000 like they can't stop thinking about it. 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:11.920 Yeah, it's like an obsession. It's truly twenty four to seven. 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:16.840 Like I am is it because it's so secret that 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:20.120 it has to be all encompassing, the secrecy finding friends, 1:07:20.240 --> 1:07:22.800 like you have to manipulate. Like, I just wonder why 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:26.320 they can't just be pedophiles a few times hours a day. 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:28.400 I wonder if that's part of it. It's like an affair. 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:31.240 How an affair is addictive because of the secrecy or whatever. 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:32.640 You know, like you think about it all the time 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:34.720 because you're like breaking rules and you're doing something wrong 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:37.000 and you're constantly worried about being caught. But also you 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:40.960 are you know, I think you are also obsessed with 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:43.160 You never hear about a pedophile that has like five 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:47.040 to ten child sex abuse images on their computer. It's 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:49.480 always like hundreds and hundreds and hunt you know what 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:51.920 I mean, Like it seems like it's like an addiction. 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:56.080 Let us know if you know any casual pedophiles, just 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:57.520 weekend guys. 1:07:57.600 --> 1:07:59.560 Yeah, like so weird. 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:03.960 It's just like it becomes everything. So this article came 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:08.320 out and it did result in congressional hearings, arrests, and 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:10.360 you know, he went on Oprah. There was like a 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:14.640 lot going on and Justin Barry, he ran a very 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:17.640 lucrative business from his room. So he lived with his 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:21.200 mother and stepfather and younger sister in Bakersfield, California, which 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.840 is ninety miles north of LA And he was a 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.920 high tech wizard and he had his own registered small 1:08:26.960 --> 1:08:29.880 website development business, so that was kind of his cover. 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:32.920 But also he knew how to build websites, so his 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:34.760 mom and everyone they just thought he was like, up, 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:36.920 they're building websites and just like a tech dork. 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:39.439 No one really like knew what was going on up there. 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:40.719 It was his secret. 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:43.680 And he was not popular if you can imagine, not 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:45.920 an in crowd type guy. And he went to the 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:48.599 internet for friends. That's he craved friends. And he went 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:51.559 online to find some friends and he heard that you 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:55.440 can get a free webcam if you sign up for Earthlink, 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:59.000 which was an internet service provider. So he signed up, 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:01.840 which to me, it's like did you sign up for 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:03.880 your own internet? Like did you have to talk to 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:05.040 your parents to switch? 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:06.479 Like what was it? 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:10.360 So he set up his webcam and thought he would 1:09:10.360 --> 1:09:13.720 meet teens his age, maybe some girls connects with his 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:16.439 peer group, but instead he was hounded by grown es 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:19.760 men and as soon as he hooked it up, like, 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:23.800 that's what's messed up. So he loaded the software with 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:28.920 his picture and that's automatically posted on spot life dot 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:33.240 com as an Internet directory of webcam users, along with 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:39.000 his contact information, and it seems automatic and findable, so 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:43.000 like what yeah, but then I wrote, like Instagram you 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.479 can just find but it is wild like that there's 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:48.200 just a directory immediately if you get a webcam that 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:49.840 people know your contact? 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:54.040 Yeah, but what's what's your contact is? Is it email 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:56.000 and name? Probably? I don't know if it's like phone 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:57.280 number or anything like. 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:02.040 More, but either way, that's it seems that seems it's crazy. 1:10:02.400 --> 1:10:05.000 But it's like when you sign up for a website, 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.160 it's like I forgot, like I had to go in 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:10.040 and like take my home address off my website, like 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:13.360 because you can't. There's a directory of websites where you 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:16.280 can find out who owns every website. Like my website 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:20.639 is now registered to my escorp by name with no address, 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.200 but originally it was like my name and my address 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:25.800 in New York of my websites and you have to 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:27.519 like take that all down. Or it's because it's like 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:30.920 the Go Daddy does nothing to protect your privacy. Wait, 1:10:31.040 --> 1:10:34.479 this is like wild and front I didn't know that. Yeah, 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.000 if you have a website, like just make sure to 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:39.400 check your like I can. Or I think that's what 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:43.680 it's called directory setting that shows like who owns the 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:46.080 website because it could have some of your personal information. 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:47.960 Damn. 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:52.719 I just thought this was so wild. But it's happening today. Yeah, 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:55.280 I hope go Daddy is, but it's us. 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:56.400 It's also not a. 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:58.559 Photo like that to me is like, oh, a hot 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.800 cute fifteen year old. Nottsy to call a fifteen year 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:03.320 old hot, but you know what I'm saying, Like a 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.760 picture of a cute fifteen year old goes up and 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:08.120 there's predators out there, that's what they're looking for. It's 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:09.800 like the photo part of it. It makes it a 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:15.120 little bit more scary too. And are these pedophiles discerning 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:18.000 or it's like there's a fifteen year old, let's go, 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:21.559 or it's like no, not this one, like you know, 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:24.679 like how discerning if a kid is down? 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:27.960 Sure, I'm sure they have preferences. I don't know. 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:34.320 So anyways, so so the predators came very quickly. Okay, 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:36.720 they saw his little face, they had his info, and 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:39.559 he went in. So they chatted him up, gave him 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:42.680 tons of compliments, offered him gifts and justin Barry just 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:43.599 sought his friendship. 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:44.760 He is a child. 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:48.240 So yeah, these adults go on like regular sites, legitimate sites, 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:51.519 and then groom the children and then eventually ask for 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:57.200 you know, sexual abuse images. So these men, predators, pedophiles 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:59.400 taught him now to make an Amazon wish list and 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:00.719 started sending him gifts. 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:04.080 And then one afternoon in the year two thousand, in 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:06.599 the year two thousand, as. 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:11.280 Was that a pet yeah, conan, Yeah, So one of 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:15.759 his audience members offered him fifty dollars instantly via PayPal 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.559 dot com to sit bear chested in front of the 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:22.519 webcam for three minutes, and Barry divulged to the reporter 1:12:22.720 --> 1:12:24.960 that he figured, like, listen, it's kind of just like 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:26.360 taking your shirt off at the pool. 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:29.000 I do that for free. What's the difference? 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:31.760 And then he took off his shirt T shirt and 1:12:31.840 --> 1:12:36.920 the men direct quote used compliments. We don't need to 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:40.960 use the verb ooze in this article at all, iich 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:44.080 and wild come on, man, and we can just get 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:47.200 compliments without oozing uses a bad word. 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:50.120 Oose is a bad word. I just did a podcast 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:50.799 that at. 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:55.960 The end they do the actors Studio questionnaire that Lipton 1:12:56.200 --> 1:12:58.559 always did a yeah yeah, and it said what's your 1:12:58.680 --> 1:12:59.719 least favorite word? 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:03.120 And I should have said ooz? What did you say? 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:07.360 I said facetious? Oh you hate facetious? Yeah. 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:10.040 I think it's people that are kind of dumb pretend 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:11.920 that they're smart because they know that one word. 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:16.400 I think it's a snobby. 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:19.920 Like big war like it doesn't mean does it mean 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:21.680 anything different from sarcastic? 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:22.599 Oh? 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:26.040 I thought it meant like, I don't know, look it up. 1:13:26.120 --> 1:13:28.000 Like I thought it meant like you're being a little asshole. 1:13:29.400 --> 1:13:32.160 You're being facetious. You're being a little asshole. 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:36.000 Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor. 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:36.560 Flippant. 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:40.360 Okay, I thought I'm being facetious meant like I'm being sarcastic, 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:41.760 like I'm kidding, but it is. 1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:42.040 It is. 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:45.400 It's like I'm being I'm being I'm joking. Basically, you 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.880 could just say I'm kidding, but you're saying I'm being facetious. 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:50.400 Yeah, because you're being to me. 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:54.080 It's like a false it's like a fake big word 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:56.640 where well, I guess we didn't really know what it 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:59.280 meant either, but I just feel like it's used by 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:01.559 people that are trying to prove something that they really 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:01.960 don't have. 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:05.760 Yeah, I should go on that podcast so I can 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:11.120 talk about how mine is. Mama, Maggie, mama. If your 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:12.920 kids say it, they say it all the time. I 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:14.880 don't like when an adult calls me mama. I don't 1:14:14.880 --> 1:14:15.919 want to hear it ever. 1:14:16.439 --> 1:14:18.439 Like hey mama, hey mama. 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:23.559 Oh that's why you hate Heather Thompson. That's a real 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:24.360 housewife for those. 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:28.080 Her big dinah her like big super smile. All right, 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:30.240 I'm doing that on camera, but you can't see me. 1:14:30.760 --> 1:14:31.160 Okay. 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:35.960 So we were all yeah oozes for slime only. So 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:39.840 outside of the money and the compliments, the men also 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:43.160 filled an emotional void in his life, and so he 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:45.840 was a prime target for these criminals. He had a 1:14:45.840 --> 1:14:48.879 bad relationship with his dad after his parents got divorced. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:51.680 There was an instance of abuse that was reported. The 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:55.280 dad slammed Justin's head into a wall and it acquired 1:14:55.360 --> 1:14:58.800 seven staples in his scalp. But this fucker was found 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:03.920 not guilty in court, acquitted. Okay, Jesus, Justin was longing 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:07.400 for paternal affection, said family members to the New York Times. 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:10.240 So that was the start to this secret life. 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:13.000 So you know, he would sell his images of his 1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:16.840 body for the next five years. And like I said, 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:19.160 his mother Karen Page, was just like I didn't think 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:21.840 anything was out of the ordinary, nothing seemed weird. He 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:24.640 was just a boy with a talent with computers and 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:27.720 he liked being online. And he explained that all of 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.639 his expensive equipment from the success of it was from 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:34.400 his web development business, you know. And his grades stayed 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:38.719 the same, even though he had like increased absences because 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:41.360 he's just like webcamming all the time. But during the 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:43.880 day he was playing soccer, he was on the honor roll, 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:45.680 and at night he was performing in front of a 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:50.919 webcam undressing, showering, masturbating, and having sex for an audience 1:15:51.000 --> 1:15:53.760 of more than fifteen hundred people who paid him over 1:15:53.800 --> 1:15:55.879 the years hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.960 Wow, and he wasn't the only one. 1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:04.200 So investigation found sites like this where teens are operating 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:07.160 two pedophiles in their rooms while their parents chill in 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:10.400 the next room. Yeah, maybe the family computer in the 1:16:10.439 --> 1:16:11.800 living room wasn't the worst thing. 1:16:12.920 --> 1:16:14.759 It's very I think our age. 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:16.920 But like, yeah, there was just like one computer in 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:21.680 the kitchen and that's that. Yeah that you know, no 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:23.720 TVs in your room, no computers in your room, do 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.400 your home in the kitchen? Like that was a good 1:16:26.439 --> 1:16:30.760 time to be alive. And since except yeah you I 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:34.320 think you got caught because you didn't, I'm sure comedy 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:38.440 ensued all the family and the tabs the history okay, 1:16:38.760 --> 1:16:41.439 but anyways, and since this was like a new thing, 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:44.960 a new endeavor of the Internet, it didn't get attention 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:47.520 of law enforcement or youth protection agencies. 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:49.840 Aaront E Allen, chief. 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:52.719 Executive of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:55.479 at the time, said, this is a variation on a 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:56.639 theme that we haven't seen. 1:16:56.960 --> 1:16:57.960 It's unbelievable. 1:16:58.320 --> 1:17:01.400 Like they knew the predators would be using webcams, but 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:04.000 it didn't occur to them that the teens would be 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.599 doing their own shows with the webcams. And for the teens, 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:11.400 like you're a teen, the idea of easy money fasts. 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:12.320 What is better than that? 1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:15.519 Like I taught swim lessons and got fourteen an hour 1:17:15.720 --> 1:17:16.880 and that was huge. 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:17.599 You know what I mean? 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:23.080 Yeah, So I just watched this movie called Jawline. Have 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:25.960 you ever heard of it? It's like a documentary and 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.679 it's on Hulu, and it's about this kid who became 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:34.559 like sort of an influencer or whatever in the camming 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.800 WARLD like but not in camming for sexual like just 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:42.160 kids camming with each other. So this kid is basically 1:17:42.200 --> 1:17:45.479 like lives in Bumblefuck, Tennessee, and he's sixteen years old 1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:47.240 and he just kind of like gets shirtless on this 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:50.200 website called you Now. But it's for girls and you 1:17:50.200 --> 1:17:52.880 can like invite people in the way you can on Instagram, 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:54.840 Like you know, if you're doing a live you can 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:56.479 just invite someone to like be on with you, Like 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:58.920 he can invite and the girls all flip out when 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:01.479 he invites them. In but he's like a very small 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:04.160 time celebrity, like on this website called you Now, but 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:06.080 all these kids are using it. So he'll be like, 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:08.799 I'll be at the mall this weekend, and like twenty 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:10.880 girls will show up to like see him at the 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:14.240 mall or whatever, and they send him like money and 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.040 tip jars and stuff like that. So it's like I 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:19.160 didn't know all that shit was going on in like 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.479 a not sexual way. I mean it's kind of sexual, 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:24.080 but their teens. It's like there's no actual nudity or anything. 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.679 It's just girls that have crushes on these like boys 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:29.320 with like hot chisel jaw lines, which is why the 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:33.120 movie's called jawline. Anyway, Just like I had no idea 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:34.599 that camming world was so big. 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:36.800 I feel like I just missed it. 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:39.800 But like this is twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen that this 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:41.400 kid's get like doing all this. 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:45.000 But I'm sure there's pedophiles there pretending to be young girls. 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:47.400 I'm sure too, But the thing is is like they're 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:49.360 all on cam so if a pedophile was to be 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:51.040 on there, I think they would get kicked off. Like 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.640 they're all like using the visual of it. So it 1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:55.360 was a little bit. 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:55.760 Yeah. 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:59.559 It was just like an interesting piece of the social 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:01.920 media online space that I really just knew jack shit 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.360 about because I assumed webcamming was mostly just. 1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:07.320 You know, I was a parent and my kid asked 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:09.640 me for money to give to some teen boy. I 1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:11.880 would say, I would hit that kids. 1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:13.680 I know. It's like where. 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:16.559 They'll take you to the mall, bitch, I'll take like 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:20.080 digital hearts and gifts and like, oh, you know, like. 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:22.880 Does this kid even sing? No, that's the thing. 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.479 Oh my god, you gotta watch this documentary. It's fucking crazy. 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:29.200 They so a manager offers to manage him, and they 1:19:29.240 --> 1:19:31.960 go on tour. These kids go on tour, these kids 1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:34.400 that are big on these sites, and when they go out, 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:37.320 they just go to these big things where it's a 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:39.759 million screaming girls and they just come out on stage 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:41.880 and jump around. They're like, all right, girls, are you 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:44.400 ready for Jordan? And he just comes out and'll be like, 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:46.360 what's up. And sometimes the kid can do a flip 1:19:46.439 --> 1:19:49.400 or something, but they don't sing. They will sometimes do 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:54.080 a little choreographed dance, but it's like they're just influencers 1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:57.599 and it actually part of it is a house of kids. 1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:00.639 That live in La together with this manager who ma them. 1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:03.280 It's crazy. But the manager's twenty one year old gay kid, 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:05.840 and so you know, he's not really like, he's just 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:07.719 in it for like to exploit them for the money. 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:09.160 It's just wild. 1:20:09.560 --> 1:20:12.400 So but when the Times found Justin, he was eighteen 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:16.080 years old, and they persuaded him to abandon his business 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.160 and to help protect other children at risk. They helped 1:20:19.200 --> 1:20:22.680 him contact the Justice Department and then arrests and indictments 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:26.160 of adults he identified as pornography producers and traffickers began. 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:29.040 He revealed that a group of more than fifteen hundred 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.400 men paid for his online images, and so the Justice 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:35.360 Department also focused on the businesses, like I said, the 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:39.879 credit card processors, and basically anybody that created, distributed, marketed, 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:43.400 possessed or paid to view such content was open to 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:47.040 criminal charges. So with all this they also found out 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.880 so these men, all these pedophiles, they work together and 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:54.879 they meet in other little secret corners of the Internet, 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:58.360 and they discussed strategy online and sharing advice on how 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:01.400 to trap their young victims. So it's like how to 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.479 persuade them to go a little bit further each time, 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.639 and Justin talks about how each request was slightly above 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.360 the last, so each new step never struck him as 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:14.120 that different or extreme. The Times was able to get 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:17.000 info on the fifteen hundred people who paid Justin and 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:21.000 analyzed the background of three hundred of them nationwide, and 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:25.280 a majority of the sample consisted of doctors, lawyers, businessmen, 1:21:25.560 --> 1:21:28.960 teachers and most like just tons of people who work 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:32.360 with children on a daily basis. Yeah, so yeah, the 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:35.120 Internet brings all these pedophiles together. So like back in 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:37.360 the day before the internet, they were just like freaks 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:40.160 in a corner of their house and so here they're 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:44.120 able to swarm together. But same with all these internet teens. 1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:47.760 So the teens also had a community and they called 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:50.320 themselves the camhres and. 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:51.680 They are a community. 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:55.160 They were a community of business owning teens, and so 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.600 they were able to bond over these pervs and the 1:21:57.600 --> 1:21:59.720 fucked up shit that was asked of them and how 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:02.040 scared was So they would also be like God, these 1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:05.080 fucking pedophiles, and the pedophiles would be like, how do 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:07.720 we get these kids? So it's a lot of communities 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:11.200 online and so the abuse came into the physical world. 1:22:11.320 --> 1:22:14.920 So Justin once was molested by one of his subscribers twice, 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:18.200 so once he was invited he invited him to attend 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:21.679 a computer camp and molested him in the other time 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:24.400 he enticed Justin to Michigan to have sex with a 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:27.479 girl that he would arrange, and both times the man 1:22:27.520 --> 1:22:30.360 molested him. He was also once given thousands of dollars 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:34.880 to meet Gilo Tuno, a former Intel employee, to visit 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:37.720 him in Vegas at a hotel, and he was molested 1:22:37.760 --> 1:22:41.320 by him many times, and one of the assaults was videotaped, 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:42.760 and Justin later handed that. 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:44.240 Tape over to the FBI. 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:47.439 After that, he was pissed and emboldened and started to 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:51.559 push like the purv army around and he started charging 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:55.800 more and waiting longer to respond, and he realized, like, oh, 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:58.520 these people have no fucking life outside of being pedophiles. 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:01.639 They are pedophiles twenty four of him and this Tuno 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:06.320 guy also rented an apartment for Justin so like he 1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:08.439 just thought it was getting too much to be like 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.800 it with in the house with his parents, like what 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:11.679 if they find out? 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:13.479 So he got an apartment that. 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:17.519 Was just like very close down like to his parents' house. 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.160 The dude signed a lease and helped him pay for it, 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:23.960 and he just started doing shows from that apartment, and 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:25.920 he would tell his mom like, oh, I have plans 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:27.919 with friends, and then he would go to that apartment 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:32.000 and cam damn. By the time this article came out, 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:35.679 this gel Oh guy, though, was already serving eight years 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:38.920 for an unrelated sexual abuse charge, so I'm sure he 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:40.920 just had to stay in jail for longer. 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:42.960 And now a part. 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.920 That's also ripped like SB ripped from the headlines that 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:49.479 I can't believe is real that you know that's in 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:51.680 all these teen movies. But in two thousand and three, 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:54.880 a former classmate found some of the pornographic photos of 1:23:54.960 --> 1:23:58.200 him and made copies and handed them out around town 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.920 and to students at his school. Justin was obviously made 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:03.880 fun of him, beaten, and he begged his mom like, 1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:06.120 please let me homeschool, Please let me homeschool, and she 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:10.599 said yes, now, if things can't get anywhorse. So then 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:14.200 he ran away to Mexico with his fucked up father. 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:18.200 So the father like weaseled his way back into Justin's 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:21.040 life and they went away to Mexico, and in Mexico, 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:24.800 Justin confessed his dad everything he had been doing. Did 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:27.559 the dad help him and get out of the life. 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:30.559 Absolutely not. He became a collaborator and created a news 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:33.799 site where he would have live sex with sex workers 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:37.280 in Mexico, and he became the internet's most sought after 1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:43.280 underage star. So Jesus, that's a sixth sentence. He then 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:46.639 developed a weed in cocaine habit and then his dad 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:49.720 started splitting the money with him, and because he would 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:53.519 go get the sex workers, and then another pedophile weaseled 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.439 his way into visiting him molesting Justin. 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:56.719 His name is Greg Mitchell. 1:24:56.840 --> 1:25:00.200 He's a thirty six year old fast food employee and 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:03.719 he was arrested and charged with six child pornography charges 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.720 stemming from this case. So at this point Justin did 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.120 want out of this life. He just kept getting molested. 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.639 His dad is like his pimp, Like he just wanted 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:14.640 out of the life, but was brought back into it 1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:18.160 by mister Mitchell, the molester. Because this Mitchell guy also 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:23.000 became a partner and was helping recruit other miners for content. 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:25.960 So that was like the tipping point. He turned eighteen 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:29.720 and he is a legal adult now, so you know 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:33.240 that changes charges. That changes the criminality of everything that 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:36.679 he's doing. And one day he started communicating with someone 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:38.760 he thought was in law enforcement, and he's like, you 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:41.800 know what, I'm going to give into this. I want 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:43.439 to go to jail. I need to go to jail. 1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:44.720 I need to get out of this life. But it 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.680 wasn't a law enforcement officer. It was the reporter from 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:52.000 the New York Times, iken Wild. Great timing, great timing dude. 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:55.240 So they met at lax. He finally convinced him to 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:58.280 come to lax by paying him. We'll get into the 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:00.920 in depths of all this, but paying him two thousand dollars. 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:02.479 He was like, just come, you know, I'm gonna come 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:04.720 a let. Like, come a let, I'm gonna come to 1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:09.719 lax Almolest two for two thousand dollars. And so Justin 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:12.560 flew and then iken Wild's like, listen, I'm not a pedophile. 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.599 And Ikenwild had a books published, so he's like, listen, 1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:18.640 look these are books I've written. Here's my photo the jacket, like, 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:21.120 I'm not a pervert or a cop. I'm here to 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:23.960 help you. Barry was high as fuck. He was sick, 1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:25.880 and he was six to one and one hundred and 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:30.439 nine pounds, like he was not doing well. And so 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:33.040 they talked over a few days and legit, He's like, 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:35.679 I want to stop. So he finally abandoned his life 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:38.240 of porn and drugs and it knocked sense into him 1:26:38.240 --> 1:26:40.000 and he was like, fuck, this is a mess. I 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:43.320 speak to thousands of pedophiles on a daily basis, like 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:45.479 this is not a good life. He got rid of 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:47.559 his phone, fled to a part of the country nobody 1:26:47.600 --> 1:26:50.120 would find him, and he sobered up, and then within 1:26:50.200 --> 1:26:52.120 a week he was giving out names and locations of 1:26:52.200 --> 1:26:55.120 children who were actively molested or being exploited by adults. 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:57.800 And he called iken Wild around nine pm one day 1:26:57.840 --> 1:26:59.960 and said, so many kids are in danger and somebody 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:03.280 has to do something, and ken Wild and that moment 1:27:03.400 --> 1:27:06.280 was like, okay, so this is a news story. We'll 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:09.200 get into all that in a moment. So then Justin 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:13.400 contacted Stephen M. Ryan, who's the former federal prosecutor and 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:16.400 partner at a private law firm in Washington, and he 1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:18.799 came on board with all this, And so mister Ryan 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:24.040 contacted Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the Justice Department 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:27.080 and told them he had a client that had evidence 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:29.680 that could put away a lot of pedophiles, And so 1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:32.719 he sat down with the FBI and began to spill 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:36.719 and children he believed were in the hands of predators, marketers, 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:39.960 credit card processor like you know. He told everyone that 1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:43.840 anyone that supported the webcam child abuse images, evidence from 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:48.680 his hard hard drives and financial information and conversation transcripts 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:52.760 with his members, like all records were turned over for. 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:53.880 Immunity like that. 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:57.280 He did want immunity, but they didn't know if they 1:27:57.280 --> 1:27:58.320 could give him immunity. 1:27:58.400 --> 1:27:59.680 So the FBI and the. 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:03.200 Department and just like had to debate like did you 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:06.839 do harm though like to other people and by hosting 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:10.960 the website, like are you a criminal? So they ended 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:14.160 up offering himmunity after fifty days. So they conferred for 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:18.040 fifty days and he officially became a federal witness. They 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.559 arrested Mitchell and he got one hundred and fifty years 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:24.599 in federal prison. They rated an LA computer server. Tim 1:28:24.720 --> 1:28:28.320 Richards was a marketer. He was arrested. Hundreds of thousands 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:31.680 of computer files were seized all across the country and 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.280 then so the articles about to come out. Right before 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.480 the article went out, it went through forty four. 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.920 Drafts by eleven editors. 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:46.040 And also though like the editors were not happy, but 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:49.200 Iken Wilds was like flipping out and he wanted the 1:28:49.320 --> 1:28:52.800 article out, and so he was he like refused to 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:54.880 let them edit it anymore, and he's like, it needs 1:28:54.880 --> 1:28:59.240 to publish today. So it came out now, Like I said, 1:28:59.240 --> 1:28:59.559 we're going. 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:00.960 To get to this. So we're here. 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:03.680 You might be like questioning maybe the ethics of the 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:05.160 reporting or what went down. 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:08.200 You're probably not. But there was a lot of issues. 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:11.200 But the New York Times is like, listen, we encouraged 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.280 youths to shut down their sites, speak to their parents 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:18.240 and seek counseling. So like we did nothing but like 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:22.160 have these victims in mind. But when New York Magazine 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:25.120 asked him, like how as a journalist he could justify 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:29.960 the charade that he did, he explodes in quotes, He 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:33.479 explodes in angry self defense. Do you think I wanted 1:29:33.479 --> 1:29:35.760 to be the first journalist to go to jail for 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:38.920 allowing a child to continue being raped because I didn't 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:43.000 want to violate some Star Trekian non intervention rule that 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:47.400 isn't written down anywhere. But like, okay, so the two 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:50.760 thousand dollars though, so you know, I can It all 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:52.719 came to light in two thousand and seven that Iken 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:56.200 Wild gave mister Barry two thousand dollars, but he said 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:58.840 that that money was to like lure him to lax 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:03.040 and that he was not acting as a journalist, and 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:06.680 before he wrote the article, he made Justin give him 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:07.920 back the two thousand dollars. 1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:09.519 So that's the claim. 1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:11.719 So they're like, wait, what the fuck we just found 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:18.360 that you paid you know, journalists can't pay that. Yeah, okay, yes, 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.960 So it was just shady that the two thousand dollars 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:25.120 was there, and he said that after like helping him 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:27.880 escape that he told Justin, you need to pay me 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:30.160 back this two thousand dollars and then we need to 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:31.120 write this story. 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:34.280 And Justin got a loan from his grandmother to do that. 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:37.479 So he's saying all above board. 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:40.960 And also and so there are a lot of opinions 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.680 on this journalist, but at the end of the he 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.719 did win a payn Award for Ethics and journalism because 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:51.080 of this article, So I don't know, it's it's why 1:30:51.200 --> 1:30:52.400 he wanted ethics award. 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.160 But also everyone is like, are you ethical? We hate you. 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.720 His reporting methods were under intense scrutiny by other journalists, 1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:03.599 by pro sex activists, which I don't know why they would, 1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:06.599 like these people are under age. 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:08.720 What is a pro sex activist? 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:13.040 And by people whom his investigations helped put in jail. 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:15.559 He in two thousand and seven was like, fuck, my 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:18.680 career is over, and he started blaming people, and like 1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:20.840 you know, he was like, I am the people I 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:23.280 put in jail, the pedophile. Blame, blame, blame, but like 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.000 also he did have a great career and nothing like 1:31:26.040 --> 1:31:28.479 he had one blip where people were like questioning him 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:31.320 because this is intense, but like he's a cry baby. 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:33.559 He worked at the New York Times from nineteen eighty 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.920 five to two thousand and six. He also wrote the 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:39.639 book The Informant and produced the movie that was based 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:40.719 on the book with Matt Damon. 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:42.679 He's written five books total. 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:45.760 And he also then did work as a senior writer 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:49.400 at Newsweek and a contributing editor for Vanity Fair. And 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:51.200 he does say that the boy in the picture he 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:54.559 saw on that website on accident stopped being a potential story. 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:58.720 Then it became a rescue mission and in hindsight, he 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:02.560 does think he should have email held the cyber tip hotline, 1:32:02.880 --> 1:32:05.519 but instead he got a minister to help and like 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:07.639 to get him out and posed as a pervy fan 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:10.760 and make contact. But he does think in hindsight he 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:15.280 should have reached out to the departments. But in the 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:18.280 future of that, it's like Justin had a lot of 1:32:18.320 --> 1:32:21.120 issues with all these investigators because he just thought it'd 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:22.960 be fast. He's like, I know all these kids that 1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:24.920 need help, let's go, let's go. And then he has 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:27.599 all these interviews where he's just like, what the fuck 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:30.320 they're taking forever, Like he went on Doctor Phil and 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:31.800 was like what the fuck. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:32.920 Like we need to help these people. 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:38.280 And I guess all the government, like the FBI, the 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:40.240 Justice Department, they were all just like too slow for 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:43.400 you know, Justin kind of like Kate Mulgro's character where 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:47.840 it's like what are you waiting for? Yeah, like journalists 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:50.519 have been giving like slipping fifty bucks, I'm sure for 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:53.080 info for a long time and like, yes, this is 1:32:53.080 --> 1:32:55.400 a bigger amount, and it like looks sketchy, but I 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:58.080 don't really think he did anything. I think it's worth it. 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:01.479 Yeah, exactly, ethics or not it did lead to a 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:03.920 lot of good this article, and he in New York 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:06.639 Magazine he's quoted saying it's the most noble thing I've 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:11.360 ever done. Okay, Justin stood up for him and said 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:14.920 he's a wonderful guy and seeing him get criticized makes 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:19.759 me sick to my stomach. So that was quoted. So sadly. 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:24.559 Justin Barry disappeared in Mexico on August twenty first, twenty eighteen, 1:33:24.640 --> 1:33:26.640 when he was thirty two years old, and he has 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:27.479 thought to be dead. 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:30.120 But maybe he just. 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:33.519 Maybe he just maybe he got some like face surgery 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:37.000 and just started his fucking life over. Yeah, you know, 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:39.920 because it's like you can't escape the internet once you're 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.439 fucking all over the internet. You know, maybe he is 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.599 alive and he just like started a new life. But 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:48.360 that's just me being I am optimistic, I hope. So wow, 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:50.800 I can't believe how much of that is like right 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:53.479 from the episode too, Like the episode pulled so much 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:56.240 from that, that's so crazy. Well, you know, Neil Baar 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:59.560 read that article in The Times. He was ready to 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:01.840 yeah go yeah, because you said this all came out 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:03.760 in five oh six, and this episode was out in 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:08.760 the middle of six. So yeah, well, thank you so 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.200 much for so thank you so much for that. 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:15.080 Well, so, as you know, we don't have a guest. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:18.360 We are in a strike. But you know, Karen, I 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:21.439 can talk, so we'll be chatting. So listen to our 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:25.000 nice little jingle and we'll be back with our closing 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:26.360 statements arguments. 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:28.599 Objection, you're out of order. 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:35.439 Yes we've had no guests, but yes we are gonna 1:34:35.560 --> 1:34:39.200 keep on talking. So what did we think about web? 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:42.439 Jesus Christ, don't give your child a computer? No text? 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:45.759 Yeah, I know it's there should be one family computer 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:46.559 in the kitchen. 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:47.479 That's it. 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:52.320 Get them June bugs, get them flip phones. Nokia's like, 1:34:52.560 --> 1:34:55.160 we have to go backwards. This life is not good. 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.280 Like do you not feel your brain is rotted? Take 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:02.760 the phones out of your children's hands, take the iPads out, 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:06.519 and one computer in the house, and let's revolutionize things. 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:11.280 This is not the internet is not safe for children. Sorry, 1:35:11.439 --> 1:35:14.600 these people are hunting your children on the Internet. I 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:17.160 sound like I'm in quanon and I apologize. No, I 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:19.879 sound like I hate. It's really crazy. 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:25.320 No like the the yeah, no, it's really dangerous. 1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:29.840 The computer programmer, you better watch what the fuck he's doing? Yeah, 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:31.920 like if he's even better than you at the computer, 1:35:32.120 --> 1:35:35.760 what makes you like, I don't know, it's just it's 1:35:35.880 --> 1:35:36.679 really sad. 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:38.959 It's so sad, and even. 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.519 With the character where it's like this fake empowerment in 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:44.040 a way where they feel empowered like they have control, 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:48.240 but they are being you know, when you're older by decades, 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:50.799 you're gonna be able to manipulate a child. 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:53.840 And it is just horrifying. 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:57.800 Yeah, totally, And I god, I hope Justin Barry is 1:35:57.840 --> 1:35:59.720 still alive, but it doesn't look good. 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:04.000 But yeah, bad parents like to be a parent. And 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:07.599 then it's kind of Chris Jenner when you think about it. 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:10.559 I mean, Chris Jenner made that sex tape. She's she 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:14.000 has truly pimped out. 1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:15.000 Her kids, you know. 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:20.679 Yeah, Chris Jenner is the model of like a criminal parent, 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:23.880 except it worked for her. Yeah, I mean, this was 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:26.559 a situation where it didn't work out and they weren't 1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:28.799 one hundred millionaires billionaires altogether. 1:36:30.040 --> 1:36:32.360 Yeah, you know, it's like it's like that up that 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:35.240 dock that I brought up jawline. It's like these this 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.439 kid is living in rural Tennessee, sharing a bed with 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:40.920 his brother going to the kitchen, there's nothing to eat, 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:44.799 so obviously, like if he goes online and it's starting 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:48.200 to get objectified or take your shirt off for a 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:51.280 tip or whatever, that can obviously be a slippery slope. 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.760 But it's like people are just trying to Like these 1:36:53.760 --> 1:36:56.040 people are just trying to like rise above their station, 1:36:56.160 --> 1:36:58.759 and their parents are kind of just like, yeah, whatever 1:36:58.800 --> 1:37:00.240 you need to do to get the hell out of 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:02.840 here or get us some money, and yeah, parents exploiting 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:05.400 is wow, And I hope this is just something on 1:37:05.439 --> 1:37:10.800 the internet that's being overly like sexual sensationalized. 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:12.519 Wow, so many words could work. 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:16.840 But I saw like their regular kids just doing cameos 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:19.000 and their parents make them do cameos, and it's them 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:21.400 wishing like grown men happy birthdays and stuff, and it's 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:23.120 just like a fourteen year old twelve year old, Oh 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:26.759 my gods for creepy people. 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.960 And I just hope it's not I do have cameo 1:37:30.000 --> 1:37:31.719 if you'd like a not perverted cameo. 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:35.120 Yeah, we're on a sometime perverted or perverted. 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:37.519 If she feels like doing that, she's of age, she 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:41.240 can decide, I can decide. I do remember you doing 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:43.800 your I remember you doing your pandemic cameos and your 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:45.960 Taco Bell bikini top halving a time. 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:50.400 People will still do it, and I'm like, no, no, I'm 1:37:50.400 --> 1:37:52.799 not on financial crisis, so it's different. 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:55.320 I used to do a joke about that. 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:57.920 I should try to bring that back back. 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:01.439 Gotta write new jokes. Honestly, pay attention to what your 1:38:01.479 --> 1:38:04.439 kids are doing on the internet. Spywear air tag them. 1:38:04.520 --> 1:38:05.400 I'm all for it. 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:07.639 I don't. I don't think they. 1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:13.040 Need don't read their journal, but I know it's I'm 1:38:13.040 --> 1:38:14.040 not even making sense. 1:38:14.080 --> 1:38:15.400 I'm just saying it's really hard. 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:17.639 Because everything that we think we know, like we think 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:20.280 we're Internet savvy, and like, honestly, I do not. 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:21.360 Think I'm Internet savvy. 1:38:21.640 --> 1:38:24.479 Well, like, well we think we know like Instagram, TikTok whatever. 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:26.680 There's all these apps we've never heard of. Kids can 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:29.240 figure out how to hide browsers in what looks like 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:30.080 a calculator. 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:31.200 Like there's someone. 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:33.400 Recently, while I was trying to find someone at the grove, 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:35.840 they said, drop me your pin and I said, I 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:38.719 don't know how to do that. And then they're younger 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:42.320 than me and they wrote, lol, and I don't know 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:42.800 how to do it. 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:44.760 And then I was trying to sell Merchant. 1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:49.120 Sacramento and oh, just got my fucking refund for the 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:51.280 Madonna concert. I knew she was going to do it. 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:53.599 I knew she was going to do that. But it's 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:55.160 kind of nice to get all that money back. It 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.520 was not cheap a wind fall. It feels like a windfall. 1:38:59.560 --> 1:39:01.840 But I I don't believe that she was sick. I 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:04.040 think she didn't want to compete with Taylor and Beyonce, 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:06.040 and I think that's why she canceled it. 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:09.040 That's my I'm sorry to be really yeah. 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:11.320 I don't think she liked the idea of not being 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:14.080 like the biggest h just tour and was like, oh, 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:17.000 I'm not ready, I'm out of here. Does the bacterial 1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:19.479 infection last months? I mean, god forbid. I mean I 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:21.599 hope she's not sick. I hope she's fair yeah, faking 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:24.120 it well. She was just partying in Lisbon for her birthday. 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.120 I think she's fine now, but I don't know if 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:27.360 she's touring ready. 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:30.759 But who knows. But that that's a very good point. 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:33.040 I mean, even Gaga has had tours where she's had 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:36.640 trouble setting selling tickets, so it's like you can't guarantee 1:39:37.360 --> 1:39:37.559 you know. 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:39.559 Oh, but this is gonna I was gonna say, so 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:41.719 I have my Venmo on my phone up so people 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:42.719 can scan the code. 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:46.200 But the screen kept going dark. 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:48.320 And then someone is like, I work at Apple and 1:39:48.360 --> 1:39:51.000 you can definitely switch it in the settings, And I 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:55.240 was like, what, Like, I don't know these kids are 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:56.320 out there, you know what I mean. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:59.160 Yeah, I switched my settings before. If I'm like trying 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:01.439 to use my phone for set to like remember jokes 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:03.280 or whatever all like, have it so it doesn't go dark. 1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:05.880 But yeah, I'm just always on low battery mode because 1:40:05.880 --> 1:40:07.960 I'm trying to save the juice always. 1:40:08.640 --> 1:40:11.720 Yeah, he's saving the juice. As we tell everybody, ditch 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:12.439 your phones. 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.040 But here's how we can't be without our phones for 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:16.200 three seconds. 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.000 Yeah, but my brain's already ruined. 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:21.360 We're talking about the future generation Gen z's brains are 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:25.160 ruined too. They're addicted, they have COVID, they're depressed, their manic. Okay, 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:28.320 the world's ending. I'm talking about your kids. People are listening. 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:31.960 Now, you have tiny kids, you gotta shelter them from 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:32.400 the internet. 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:33.520 They don't have iPads. 1:40:33.640 --> 1:40:36.599 They do TV, but they don't have iPads, and the 1:40:36.600 --> 1:40:39.280 only thing they know my phones is happy stickers, which 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:41.439 are emojis that Rosie likes to send to you and 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:42.120 other friends. 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:43.760 I know, which is so cute. 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:45.439 But it was funny when I got a text from you, 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:47.519 but I was driving, so I made my car talk 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:56.639 and they were like bat emoji, smile emoji, dance emoji emoji. Yeah, oh, 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:58.480 this is a rosy message. 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:01.639 This is a rosy mess. Gotta shut that shit down. Okay. 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:03.840 So I thought, for this week's what would Sister Peg Do, 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:05.720 which is our weekly segment where we point you to 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:11.479 a website, blog, post, podcasts, episode, documentary, something to give 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:13.280 you more information about what we talked about today, I 1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:15.519 would point you, guys to this cool website that I 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:18.799 found called The Porn Conversation. It is a non profit 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:23.439 organization that provides free and easily accessible tools in English, Spanish, 1:41:23.479 --> 1:41:26.120 French and German for families and educators to talk to 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:29.080 young people about sex, beginning with the topic of porn literacy. 1:41:29.600 --> 1:41:32.600 It was a nonprofit founded by Erica Lust. Have you 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:33.160 heard of her? 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:39.920 She is a porn producer, filmmaker. She's an indie porn filmmaker, 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:42.960 and she makes like she founded Erica Lust Films, and 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:46.120 I guess this website is founded also with her husband, 1:41:46.160 --> 1:41:50.280 Pablo Dobner, and they promote sexually intelligent narrative porn. 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:53.880 So in her on her. 1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:56.679 Website she says porn can be misogynistic, racist, and violin 1:41:56.720 --> 1:41:58.800 and leaves young people of all genders and sexualities with 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:02.120 a misunderstanding of what sex is and what respectful relationships 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:02.479 look like. 1:42:02.680 --> 1:42:03.320 End quote. 1:42:03.400 --> 1:42:06.320 So the Porn Conversation promotes a sex positive, pleasure based 1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:10.679 and age appropriate dialogue. Literally, there's a PDF per age 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:12.280 where you can be like, oh, my kid's like eight 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:14.759 to twelve, or my kids twelve to fifteen or whatever, 1:42:15.040 --> 1:42:17.720 and you can download these and there's all kinds of 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:20.400 ways you could just talk to kids about like what 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:23.360 they're seeing on the internet and what you know. But 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:26.200 this is a she's a Swedish erotic film director, this woman, 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:28.080 so she's in the business. 1:42:27.640 --> 1:42:30.160 And she's just like, I don't you know. 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:33.160 I think she wanted to make sure that there's sort 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:36.800 of like educational conversations that are not shaming porn at all, 1:42:36.880 --> 1:42:40.280 but are talking to kids about it in a educational way. 1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:44.240 So for more info. The website is called the Pconversation 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.760 dot org, so that will be linked as usual in 1:42:47.800 --> 1:42:50.040 our stories the day the episode comes out, and we 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:55.240 will save it forever in our WWSPD highlight. And speaking 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:58.960 of our highlights, if you're interested, our teachers might still 1:42:58.960 --> 1:43:01.080 be trying to get some of their items that they 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.200 need on their Amazon wish lists for the school year. 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:04.479 So if you have a minute, we have a highlight 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:08.280 that's called Teachers Click through give see if you can give, 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:10.799 like some post it notes five dollars send by people. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:13.240 Help these teachers that are using their own money to 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:14.720 buy supplies for kids. 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:15.559 So fucked up. 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:19.960 But also, Rosie's backpack looks really cute with her little monogram. 1:43:20.760 --> 1:43:24.160 Dude, that little ll Bean backpack is the backpack everybody 1:43:24.200 --> 1:43:25.920 had when I was a kid, but like the bigger 1:43:25.960 --> 1:43:28.519 one for high school and middle school, and my parents 1:43:28.520 --> 1:43:30.680 got me the wrong one and the monogram was fucked up, 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:32.200 and I was just like, I hate you guys forever. 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:34.080 So I really wanted to get Rosie the good one. 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:37.200 So I got her that. Even though I'm sure no 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:38.559 one gives a shit about Lbean. 1:43:39.040 --> 1:43:41.240 Like now, I was about to say, this is definitely 1:43:41.280 --> 1:43:42.000 your upbringing. 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.000 She kicked it because it's blue. 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:46.800 She likes it because it's blue, and then I was like, oh, 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:47.879 it's cute, it's lbean. 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:53.599 Next week we're doing Bourne Psychopath. Everybody Borne's psychopath, kind 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:55.879 of like Kara's daughter Rosie JCA. 1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:59.519 Yeah, I called her a psycho so many times over 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:01.280 these past you and a half weeks. Maybe I should 1:44:01.320 --> 1:44:04.840 watch myself one hundred percent you should. I get being like, 1:44:04.880 --> 1:44:07.160 what are you talking about? You're being psycho? Have you 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:08.599 not seen wicked? You don't want? 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:09.160 You know what I mean? 1:44:09.240 --> 1:44:11.439 Is it nurture nature and you're nurturing her to become 1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:14.040 a psycho if you keep doing that. 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