Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done.
Speaker 1: Done, Hello, that's messed up an sv podcast.
Speaker 3: I am Lisa Traeger.
Speaker 1: I'm Kara Klank And you know what we do here, guys.
Speaker 1: We talk SVU. We talk about a true crime that
Speaker 1: the episode was based on, and usually we talked to
Speaker 1: a celebrity guest that was in the episode. But we
Speaker 1: are standing strong in support of our union right now
Speaker 1: and we are on strike with them, so we will
Speaker 1: not be interviewing anybody during the pod until we get
Speaker 1: a fair deal. And this is the first day Lisa
Speaker 1: and I are c each other after our little summer break.
Speaker 1: We took two weeks because I went to summer camp
Speaker 1: with my children and went to the East Coast to
Speaker 1: see my family, and Lisa was selling out shows all
Speaker 1: over the damn place. I had fun Holler, Sacramento and Portland.
Speaker 3: I had a really great time.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the extreme case of what we have
Speaker 2: in our podcast. And one of my biggest pet peeves
Speaker 2: is a live female performer I would say, is when
Speaker 2: you could tell men do not want to be there
Speaker 2: and they hate you and they don't and they want
Speaker 2: to make sure their girlfriends or wives are not having
Speaker 2: a good time. Narcissists, when it's not about them, they
Speaker 2: have to ruin it. And there was a couple in
Speaker 2: the front row and I could tell she was so excited,
Speaker 2: and he just was pissed and was staring at me,
Speaker 2: not even kindly like you don't have to laugh, but
Speaker 2: like ye out, but he was just aggressive, stern, whatnot.
Speaker 3: And I said, you need to leave.
Speaker 2: Eddie looked at me and kind of scoffed, and I go,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you think I'm kidding, but I
Speaker 2: am not performing with your energy here, and you need
Speaker 2: to get up and leave.
Speaker 3: And it sucks that you're ruining it for her.
Speaker 2: And then she was embarrassed and felt sad for her,
Speaker 2: And on the way out the staff said that he
Speaker 2: was like, I guess she couldn't handle what I was
Speaker 2: throwing down, and it's like, what what are you throwing down?
Speaker 2: As throwing down? But also you could sit in the
Speaker 2: back and not have a good time, but you don't
Speaker 2: get to ruin my like you don't get this glare
Speaker 2: at me with hate in the front row.
Speaker 3: Leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it sucks that I have to focus on
Speaker 2: that when everyone was so great and fun. Well, this
Speaker 2: was the best part was everyone in Sacramento said, don't
Speaker 2: leave your hotel, don't go on walks, it's dangerous. And
Speaker 2: then the one suggestion I had for fun was to
Speaker 2: park outside of the prison at two am, and that's
Speaker 2: when all the people get let out on bail and
Speaker 2: so then there's like a big exodus. So I thought
Speaker 2: that was kind of a funny suggestion.
Speaker 3: Did you do it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I did not. I did not do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So tell me about trip, about camp, about the kids.
Speaker 2: Rosie started school today. I mean there's so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much going on. It's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're in the time machine. But I did just get
Speaker 1: back from two and a half weeks straight with myke kids,
Speaker 1: and the day I get back, there's a her a
Speaker 1: quake in La and school gets canceled.
Speaker 3: So the first day, which was a joke, which was
Speaker 3: a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had crazy. It was sunny and eighty degrees gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I sat on a patio yesterday for like four hours.
Speaker 1: It was so gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just thinking about you having school canceled for truly
Speaker 2: no reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in a way, I was like, I was glad.
Speaker 1: Rosie got like a little day because I dragged her
Speaker 1: ass from Vermont to Connecticut, woke her up at four
Speaker 1: in the morning, got her on a plane, brought her
Speaker 1: back to la and then was gonna wake her up
Speaker 1: in the morning go start a new school. So she
Speaker 1: got like a day to just chill and like relax.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We I flew with my kids for my first time
Speaker 1: ever by myself, which was challenging because immediately when we
Speaker 1: got to the airport, Oscar stuck his finger in Rosie's
Speaker 1: eye and she cried about it the entire day on
Speaker 1: and off.
Speaker 3: But it was pretty good. Oscar just kept.
Speaker 1: Being like, I want to get off the plane, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think you get how this works.
Speaker 2: Do you sit in the middle or do you sit
Speaker 2: on the aisle? How do you organize when you're alone?
Speaker 1: When I'm alone on this kind of plane where this
Speaker 1: was a two three two plane, I just do the
Speaker 1: three in the middle where I'm in the center of
Speaker 1: them and they're on my sides, which kind of sucks
Speaker 1: because when I travel with Jared, we do two and
Speaker 1: two and Oscar's like blocked in by the window.
Speaker 3: This time.
Speaker 1: He just kept being like bye, he keep going, he
Speaker 1: keeps going, I'll be right back, Mama.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where are you going? You can't just be
Speaker 3: right back you two? And he just wanted is he
Speaker 3: waiving the people or what is he? Yeah, he just
Speaker 3: wanted to run up and down the aisles.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to like walk and like move his body,
Speaker 1: and like he doesn't really. I find I have found
Speaker 1: with my kids that they won't really keep the headphones
Speaker 1: on until they're like three. So even though he's watching
Speaker 1: a TV show and he understands that the sound is
Speaker 1: coming out of these headphones, he's like, get these off
Speaker 1: of me. So he's not as engaged with television as
Speaker 1: he usually is because he won't fucking listen to it.
Speaker 1: So it's like a mind show of baby Shark or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't let him watch that. I mean, what was
Speaker 1: he watching?
Speaker 3: Oh, Pepa, Pepa Pig.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm affecting him with Pepa pig because
Speaker 1: he has been calling strawberries strawberries lately. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what's going on there? But he's like talking so much.
Speaker 1: I always find big trips like make kids have like
Speaker 1: verbal kind of like have verbal speed ups, kind of
Speaker 1: like when we took Rosy on a big trip which
Speaker 1: she was little, she just started talking and Oscar's just like, Mom,
Speaker 1: can I just talk to you for a second. He's
Speaker 1: just saying all these like weird second sentences.
Speaker 3: But anyway, got them there.
Speaker 1: Everything was good, got to see my siblings. Took them
Speaker 1: to another part of Connecticut where my friend Sky lives,
Speaker 1: and like sure her family lives on this beautiful like
Speaker 1: point right on Long Island Sound, and like my kids
Speaker 1: were just like digging for shells and looking for crabs
Speaker 1: and like having the best time. And then I did
Speaker 1: go see Titanique. I know a bunch of you message
Speaker 1: because you were excited that I was going to see Titanique.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, obviously, Jared said to me,
Speaker 1: he goes it was like a rusical if everybody was
Speaker 1: extremely good at singing, Like everybody in it was so talented,
Speaker 1: like there wasn't. And what was crazy was there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of little slips in my program, meaning that
Speaker 1: you know, people were taking over for other people, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, are we going to
Speaker 1: get some kind of like understudy cast.
Speaker 3: There was a girl in it that I was like, yes, But.
Speaker 2: We've talked about understudies before, and they are the unsung
Speaker 2: heroes and the most talented people because they have to
Speaker 2: know everyone's parts. They have to be ready in a
Speaker 2: moment's notice, and they saved the day tons of times
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's there like one big shot.
Speaker 3: So they and their voices ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're ready. They've been doing eight shows a week.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, they've been doing eight shows a week.
Speaker 1: Maybe in the chorus, but this show actually doesn't have
Speaker 1: a big chorus like the there's a couple of understudies like.
Speaker 3: You can if you've seen it.
Speaker 1: Basically, what Titanique is is it's off Broadway. It's down
Speaker 1: at this theater that's right off Union Square. It's actually
Speaker 1: where I went to go see this magician to his
Speaker 1: one man show called In and of Itself.
Speaker 3: Derek DelGaudio. I have thoughts.
Speaker 1: If anybody love messaged me. I love magic, but I
Speaker 1: did not like this man's show. This man tried to
Speaker 1: do a one man show or was magic, but it
Speaker 1: was also about like his mom being gay and like
Speaker 1: hate crimes, and I was like, I don't this is
Speaker 1: not hitting for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want your magic and hate crimes separate.
Speaker 1: I want my magic. Yes, I want my magic and
Speaker 1: hate crimes separate. Please, But they so they do it there.
Speaker 1: It's like an off Broadway theater. It's the story of
Speaker 1: Titanic the movie, like Jack and Rose, the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but set to the music of Celen Dion. And there's
Speaker 1: a woman playing Celen Dion who like pops in and
Speaker 1: narrates the whole thing. And I did not see the
Speaker 1: original girl who's been Selene, because she's actually the co
Speaker 1: creator of the show.
Speaker 3: She just a couple weeks earlier swapped out.
Speaker 1: But I got this woman who was like the longest
Speaker 1: running Alpha BA on Broadway and was so talented, like
Speaker 1: amazing voice, and it's just fun. It's a really funny
Speaker 1: part because they're playing this like caricature of Celendon where
Speaker 1: they keep going I'm all right, and like they're like
Speaker 1: doing a French Canadian accent and like crossing their eyes
Speaker 1: and like being all goofy.
Speaker 3: I was loving it.
Speaker 1: There's every reference is like pop culture gay, like if
Speaker 1: you're not a woman or.
Speaker 3: A gay man.
Speaker 1: I'm not really under I don't really know if it's
Speaker 1: like for you, but or you're not into those things.
Speaker 1: Like Jared got plenty of the references because I make
Speaker 1: him watch drag race and stuff. But there was I
Speaker 1: just loved it, and I also took it edible. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was really really fun.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Yeah, love supporting the arts. While a
Speaker 2: couple things popped into my mind that I did not
Speaker 2: tell you. One of the waitresses at the Club and Sacramento,
Speaker 2: she used to live in New York, and one of
Speaker 2: her regular bart regular restaurant patrons, why don't yes, was.
Speaker 3: The Gilgo Beach Killer. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He would come in with all these other architects and
Speaker 2: he asked for her number ones or gave his number
Speaker 2: like something like that. But she obviously, you know, wasn't
Speaker 2: like she was not interested, but she served him all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I read an article about that.
Speaker 1: This girl wrote that she used to work for him,
Speaker 1: and basically she just kind of described how he was
Speaker 1: like just you know, something a little off, but not
Speaker 1: like enough to like call the cops or whatever. But
Speaker 1: she just thought so there was something always like weird
Speaker 1: about him. But fuck, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Did you know I had COVID? Yes, I was checking
Speaker 3: in on you.
Speaker 1: God, I was so annoying. That is so annoying. Was
Speaker 1: it like really bad?
Speaker 2: I didn't feel great and I didn't have energy, but
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like the first time I had it,
Speaker 2: so it didn't even click in my head like I
Speaker 2: thought it was something else. I was like, oh, my
Speaker 2: throat hurts, it's obviously because I smoked too much weed.
Speaker 2: And so I pulled back on weed. And then I
Speaker 2: was like having all these side effects. And when I
Speaker 2: looked up online and these reddits, all of them were
Speaker 2: symptoms of weed withdrawal. So I just assumed my throat
Speaker 2: hurts because of weed. I'm having these symptoms because I'm
Speaker 2: quitting weed. And then I nothing. It just was so
Speaker 2: much and I took a test and then I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm a fool. I'm a fool. I've gotten to know.
Speaker 1: That's what's crazy is I keep saying, oh, this doesn't
Speaker 1: like if I get a little thing, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the last time I had COVID.
Speaker 3: I think I would know, but it like then, so
Speaker 3: when I was in Vermont.
Speaker 1: So basically, after I did some time in Connecticut with
Speaker 1: my family, I took my kids to this family camp
Speaker 1: in Vermont where I helped run the program. And it's
Speaker 1: like a fun, really fun week. And I was sick
Speaker 1: the first like three days with a really super sore throat,
Speaker 1: and I grabbed a COVID test because I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not what it felt like last time, and Jared.
Speaker 3: Goes, but that's what Lisa said. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I have to take a test.
Speaker 1: And I was negative, but like I was concerned, you know,
Speaker 1: because like I don't want to be like a super
Speaker 1: spreader at my family camp.
Speaker 2: Wait, so what did you do in Connecticut in terms
Speaker 2: of probably just the pool, right or did you guys
Speaker 2: me kind.
Speaker 3: Of just pooled.
Speaker 1: There was like a rainy day where I took the
Speaker 1: kids to this children's museum that they're obsessed with, and
Speaker 1: I walked to Oscar around my old hometown like a
Speaker 1: little bit on the street, and it's just crazy because
Speaker 1: all the stores are different and like everything is so
Speaker 1: like nothing stays.
Speaker 3: Planning, It's wow. Planning.
Speaker 2: Planning hit us up because I want to know if
Speaker 2: that's just a rom com job or a real job.
Speaker 1: No, my friend hasn't ever been planning her in New York,
Speaker 1: And so does the city hire this person? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: works for like a firm and then like the city
Speaker 1: hires them.
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, yeah really.
Speaker 1: And my friend, my other friend from college, actually is
Speaker 1: like a lawyer who works with him all the time,
Speaker 1: because I think she does some kind of law that's
Speaker 1: urban planning adjacent.
Speaker 2: Mine was boring about COVID tell me about camp was
Speaker 2: what are the funn act The photos looked very cute,
Speaker 2: it seemed yeah, nature a good time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cute.
Speaker 1: I mean, this apparently was like the rainiest summer Vermont
Speaker 1: has ever had. They actually had like a lot of
Speaker 1: damage and like the state capitol and stuff from like
Speaker 1: microbursts and like huge storms.
Speaker 3: So normally this is like the most beautiful week.
Speaker 1: But we did get a couple of rainy days, which
Speaker 1: was fine, but honestly, I love it. A bunch of
Speaker 1: my old friends came back with their kids. Like I
Speaker 1: was at camp with like kids people who were my
Speaker 1: cam my campers and friends, and then we were counselors together,
Speaker 1: and now we're all back together with our kids there
Speaker 1: and our kids are like becoming friends with each other.
Speaker 3: It was just really cute.
Speaker 1: And I had a horrible bed, so I didn't sleep
Speaker 1: the whole week. But do you get your own cabin? Like,
Speaker 1: do you and your family get your own cabin? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we get a cabin because we have young kids. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are are in like the platform tents
Speaker 1: where it's like four beds are on like a wooden
Speaker 1: platform with like these big canvas tents over them, and
Speaker 1: I we'll move to that probably like in a year
Speaker 1: or two. But just because my kids are small, like
Speaker 1: you know, I have them in a cabin right now.
Speaker 1: And Jared I think likes having a bathroom because if
Speaker 1: you are in a tent, you just share like a
Speaker 1: bathroom with the other people.
Speaker 3: But it's great.
Speaker 1: I don't have to think about cooking a meal for
Speaker 1: my kids for an entire week, not one meal, breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner.
Speaker 3: Cocktail hour every day at five really fun. There's a
Speaker 3: way you guys are getting hammered at camp.
Speaker 1: Well, the participants are all allowed to drink during cocktail hour.
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to because technically i'm staff, but my
Speaker 1: boss does don't really care if I have one glass
Speaker 1: of wine. Or whatever, but people are drinking. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, and staff watches the kids so that
Speaker 1: the parents can like go have a normal conversation and
Speaker 1: eat a cheese played, and then h there was a
Speaker 1: variety show and Rosie did do three numbers in the
Speaker 1: variety show. Now, if you're listening to this and you
Speaker 1: have a child, you probably know this song where it's
Speaker 1: like a TikTok song or something. It's only a minute long,
Speaker 1: and Lisa, we've played it for you and you were
Speaker 1: very flabbergasted about what the point of it was. But
Speaker 1: it's this song where like a phone rings and someone
Speaker 1: goes hello, Hello, is anyone on the line, And then
Speaker 1: a voice goes watermelon yamou and then it turns into
Speaker 1: this little like techno song where.
Speaker 3: They just keep saying watermelon mayamoo.
Speaker 1: Rosie got there and her little best friend boyfriend from
Speaker 1: last summer, was like, I love watermelon yalmo, and Rosie
Speaker 1: was like, so do I. So they immediately came up
Speaker 1: with a variety show act where I was the person
Speaker 1: on the phone. They were behind the stage and every
Speaker 1: time it was watermelon mealmout, they came out. I'll post
Speaker 1: the video if people have an interest. I'll post the
Speaker 1: video on our Instagram stories. But there's a video and
Speaker 1: it's so cute and funny. And then Rosie and her
Speaker 1: best buddy bo and this kid Patrick. They always end
Speaker 1: the Variety Show with a dance party. Last year, as
Speaker 1: you all know, they did Sandstorm. This year they did
Speaker 1: I Like to Move It from a Madagascar movie called
Speaker 1: Escape to Africa, and it's the Will I Am version
Speaker 1: of I Like to Move It, Move It, and it's
Speaker 1: just fun. My kids ad the best time. They swim
Speaker 1: in the lake. Oh my god. I was so nervous
Speaker 1: that I had these like bitchy little California kids that
Speaker 1: would only swim swimming pools.
Speaker 3: They loved the lake. This time got in the lake,
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I'm planning a trip back home.
Speaker 2: I want to jump into Lake Michigan on bike path.
Speaker 2: Like someone posted a photo of the lake and I go,
Speaker 2: that looks appealing to me, and I need to jump
Speaker 2: in it. I need to lakes. The sharks are out
Speaker 2: and about this summer. I also sharks are sharking. I
Speaker 2: went to the Grove for the first time. The mall
Speaker 2: was a amazing I don't know why I haven't been
Speaker 2: to the Grove more often. It was gorgeous, but I
Speaker 2: saw Meg two. Not good, Ah, not good, unfortunately the
Speaker 2: worst of the summer.
Speaker 3: I would say, oh, no, you've been seeing so many movies. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was really upset because I love Meg one and
Speaker 2: I just really wanted an explosive good time and it
Speaker 2: was just more of a mess of a good time.
Speaker 3: Oh that sucks, Yeah, it was. That sucks. Wait, but
Speaker 3: how is that? Why is the Is the Grove to me,
Speaker 3: is identical to the Americana. No, I think it's chicer.
Speaker 3: I think it's sexier.
Speaker 2: I think Americana is more wide and sunshine, and I
Speaker 2: think the Groves is like sexier.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's both owned by Caruso, I think.
Speaker 2: But yes, there's just it's more high class store.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: No, they're both amazing malls. There's something a little sexier
Speaker 2: about the Grove.
Speaker 1: To me, Well, the Americana is doing their best. They've
Speaker 1: got a Gucci coming in a bigger Tiffany. They're trying
Speaker 1: to spruce up and get higher and shit, no.
Speaker 3: It's a luxurious, amazing mall.
Speaker 2: There was just something about like the extra trees like
Speaker 2: there was just something, you know. Maybe it was because
Speaker 2: I was having a margarita looking at people. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: I like dressed up. I was so excited.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. And then the Meg was a bummer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Meg too. Who's in those movies?
Speaker 2: Who's in that Jason Statham? Okay, oh my god. So
Speaker 2: I got asked to do a podcast. I don't remember
Speaker 2: the name of it. It's Andrew Rofo's podcast, but it's
Speaker 2: IMDb games where it's all about star meter and asked.
Speaker 2: They ask you questions and you're competing with another comic
Speaker 2: to like win. I won by over like twenty three
Speaker 2: thousand points. I truly demolished this person. And it's because
Speaker 2: we're on IMDb because of this podcast so much that
Speaker 2: I really got in.
Speaker 3: I know, the star meters baby and I had.
Speaker 2: I'm actually pretty impressive, I'll be honest, because they give
Speaker 2: you a year star meter and I was pretty shockked.
Speaker 3: What's your star meter? I'm at six thousand.
Speaker 1: You're the six thousandth most famous person on IMDb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: I know early July I was at three thousand because
Speaker 2: I was in like a project, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it felt pretty good.
Speaker 3: People are probably searching you. They're like who is that?
Speaker 2: Because I guess they're like, guess what your star meter is?
Speaker 2: And I guessed one hundred thousand for myself, and then
Speaker 2: I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 3: I was really one hundred thousand. Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 3: now you know I'm looking up mine and am I
Speaker 3: going to be sad?
Speaker 1: You might have to go on your IMDb pro though
Speaker 1: you're not going to go I don't have PRO.
Speaker 2: I have pro BB. Wait, they're not just gonna show me. No,
Speaker 2: you have to have PRO. But this was my best
Speaker 2: and I love this person. But I was against this
Speaker 2: comic Mike fell Zone, and the question was pick an
Speaker 2: SNL cast member, and you basically just compete who has
Speaker 2: the best star meter, And this person chose Chris Red,
Speaker 2: who's an angel.
Speaker 3: I love him.
Speaker 2: I've known him since Chicago. He's very talented, he's out
Speaker 2: there working. But you know, I said Pete Davidson, there's
Speaker 2: also people like I don't know, Will Ferrell, Tina.
Speaker 3: Fay, Julia, Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2: Like to pick Chris Red was just so funny, and
Speaker 2: that's what that's that put me in the over twenty
Speaker 2: thousand point win category.
Speaker 3: I would say it was so fun. It's the funnest
Speaker 3: game of all time.
Speaker 1: It was like such a joy to play it, so
Speaker 1: many fun rounds. I wish I knew the name, so
Speaker 1: we can, you know, shout out our friend. This intro
Speaker 1: is going along. Also, you know your camps in Vermont.
Speaker 1: We're on tour. We're gonna be in Vermont. We're in
Speaker 1: lots of cities, our southern cities. Why aren't you buying tickets?
Speaker 1: If you ever want us to come back, you better
Speaker 1: fucking get your asses over. Yeah, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: literally just be like no South if we can't get
Speaker 1: people to Atlanta. Charlotte Raley, We're in DC this weekend
Speaker 1: stand up and and podcasts for doing two shows.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited. I'm excited to get back out there,
Speaker 2: new games. Oh, keep on, new episodes. I'm like bombed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to be back on the tour. You know
Speaker 2: this comes out five days before we start. I am
Speaker 2: my c DC is gonna be insane because I'm doing
Speaker 2: a college in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I'm doing Central like Connecticut University, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I'm doing that on the seventh and then driving all
Speaker 2: night to d C with my opener, and then I
Speaker 2: will get to DC in the morning and sleep until
Speaker 2: my show, I think.
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be reminiscent of my early comedy days, like
Speaker 2: driving all night and you.
Speaker 1: Know, well, honestly, really so bad around New York and
Speaker 1: DC that like, you're probably doing the smartest thing because
Speaker 1: the traffic on those areas, the mid Atlantic Corridor, it's
Speaker 1: really terrible.
Speaker 3: By Planet Corridor.
Speaker 1: Five days, five days from now, we're going to be
Speaker 1: in DC. We sold out the seven pm Baby, We
Speaker 1: added a bed show. We added a three thirty come
Speaker 1: on down have a little daytime fun with your gals.
Speaker 2: What better breakfast than a mazzarella stick? I can't think
Speaker 2: of it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, why not a plate of nachos in the afternoon
Speaker 1: on a sign.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sunday scaries. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Not when you're going to a podcast and getting buzzed
Speaker 1: at three thirty.
Speaker 3: Our intro is so long. Listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some of you fast forwarded it because
Speaker 2: we had some thoughts on the Barbie movie, and you
Speaker 2: should be ashamed of yourself. We deserve an opinion too, Okay,
Speaker 2: we deserve an opinion. Are you gonna stop listening because
Speaker 2: I didn't like the Meg two?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna turn your back on us? Yeah? Like
Speaker 3: we said, like I listen to podcasts.
Speaker 1: Where I hate the host takes all the time. I
Speaker 1: just keep it pushing, you know, I still think they're
Speaker 1: funny and great.
Speaker 2: I know, because of the strike, I couldn't even promote
Speaker 2: the show I'm in. But there is a new cartoon
Speaker 2: on Hulu that I really love. It's called Praise p D.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Oh, I have a dressin I've watched every
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Speaker 1: Season seven, episode twenty one from the mid auts two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. This episode came out. We open on
Speaker 1: a little puppet saying, how did you feel when your
Speaker 1: mom's boyfriend touched you?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 1: Like that, like a very typical like what you think of,
Speaker 1: like show me on the dolly where you were touched
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's obviously an educational presentation happening at.
Speaker 3: A little school.
Speaker 1: And I immediately recognize the puppeteer, and I remember recognizing
Speaker 1: her when I watched this episode. Her name is Jennifer Barnhart,
Speaker 1: and I saw her in Avenue Q off Broadway months
Speaker 1: before this episode aired. So when I watched this episode
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, I was like, wait, I
Speaker 1: know that woman because she's on stage for like all
Speaker 1: of Avenue Q. She's a big part of it. So
Speaker 1: she also went on to be in the Broadway version
Speaker 1: of the show. She's also a Sesame Street gal and
Speaker 1: she played Chicago Police Department detective Lorna Diamond in the
Speaker 1: episode Behave, which is the Jennifer Love hewittt episode. So
Speaker 1: I haven't watched that guy in a while, so if
Speaker 1: you see it, you might recognize this puppeteer from that.
Speaker 1: So she's giving this puppet presentation to a school about
Speaker 1: bad touch and they get all the kids to say
Speaker 1: say no, then go, and then they tell the kids
Speaker 1: if they have any secrets or confessions, they can talk
Speaker 1: to them privately after So I thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of weird, but great. Cut to the kids lined up
Speaker 1: to tell the puppet, the puppet and the puppeteer about
Speaker 1: how they rub boogers on their sister, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's like, well, would you want boogers on you?
Speaker 3: And whatever?
Speaker 1: And then next up is com one of my brother's names,
Speaker 1: and he says, my friend says, rubbing weenies feels good,
Speaker 1: and you know, the music the music violins start queuing,
Speaker 1: so we know this is like a serious accusation.
Speaker 3: He says, it's his.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need the violins because there is a
Speaker 2: puppet in the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know how serious it is.
Speaker 1: We don't need a slide whistle, you know, we need
Speaker 1: to fully, like, make this definitive that it's serious.
Speaker 2: I also wonder, like are there puppet open mics? Like
Speaker 2: how do you get in the puppet universe? Are you
Speaker 2: just puppetting in your house and go audition at Sesame Street?
Speaker 3: I mean, great question.
Speaker 1: Do you think all the like Bob's Baker's people We
Speaker 1: live near Bob's Baker are one of the most famous
Speaker 1: marionette theaters. It's not the same kind of huppeteering. But
Speaker 1: I wonder if you try to excel in all the
Speaker 1: fields and then you try to move your way up
Speaker 1: to well, it's Bob a guy, Like have you met
Speaker 1: Bob Bob Baker?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think he might be dead. A
Speaker 3: great question.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we should ask our friend aDNA.
Speaker 1: She's worked on Sesame Street with Cookie Monster. I bet
Speaker 1: she could tell us what the trajectory of puppet he
Speaker 1: knows the underworld of Yeah, I think she knows all
Speaker 1: about it. She's also done stop motion, which famously I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with.
Speaker 2: Well, because this woman's clearly a very you know, successful
Speaker 2: puppet woman, and so they're taking they're getting top of
Speaker 2: the line people for a tiny part.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, But I saw Avenue Q with my uncle.
Speaker 1: At the time of this when it came out, I
Speaker 1: was twenty five or something, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is great. And then it became this like big Broadway show,
Speaker 1: so this girl was a big part.
Speaker 3: Of it anyway.
Speaker 1: So he this kid goes, Colin is saying, my friend
Speaker 1: says warbing Wweni's feels good violence and he goes. They go,
Speaker 1: who's your friend and he's like, it's my friend Jake
Speaker 1: and he just turns around, points to him and everything
Speaker 1: narks him out real quick, and I just I have
Speaker 1: a brother named Jake and a brother named Colin.
Speaker 3: So freezes Jake freezes. He's like bust it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now we've got Stabler one on one with Jake,
Speaker 1: and it's like, did you ask Colin if you could
Speaker 1: touch his wienie?
Speaker 3: And Jake is like very forthcoming.
Speaker 1: He's like yep, and then he all as someone touched
Speaker 1: his weeni, but he can't tell who it is. In
Speaker 1: walks Jake's brother and mom and the mom's like, what's
Speaker 1: going on here? And Stabler says, Jake says, someone's been
Speaker 1: abusing him, and the mom goes, oh no, not again.
Speaker 1: Close up on Jake close up on Stabler with his
Speaker 1: huge forehead looking very confused, and that's the credits. At
Speaker 1: the top of act one, the mom is talking to
Speaker 1: Huang and telling him about how it's not actually Jake
Speaker 1: who's been abused before, it's her older son, Teddy. While
Speaker 1: she was pregnant with Jake, she caught her ex husband
Speaker 1: touching Teddy. And her ex's name is Gregory Hensel, and
Speaker 1: the boys have her last name now because obviously, who
Speaker 1: wants to walk around with your pedophile father's last name?
Speaker 1: The guy this is wild. The guy pled guilty to sodomy,
Speaker 1: got ten years and was out in seven and the
Speaker 1: mom goes, it was a joke, and that is a joke,
Speaker 1: like raping your own son. Seven years that seems very light.
Speaker 1: Then the guy filed for visitation last year. Teddy obviously
Speaker 1: refused to see him, but Jake begged her to let
Speaker 1: him go see his dad, a dad he's never met
Speaker 1: before and like Jake is eight, and the mom refused
Speaker 1: until the judge awarded greg weekly supervised visits. Like I
Speaker 1: do not get how that would be possible, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you molest one of your kids. You just
Speaker 1: don't get to ever see them ever again, Huang start
Speaker 1: serve your time. I mean, the thing is, it's like
Speaker 1: not shocked. None of this is shocking after the reason
Speaker 1: I know, I'm done. Yeah, it's just it feels a
Speaker 1: little bit different to me, like, oh, yeah, you rob
Speaker 1: a bank. I'm not gonna say you can never walk
Speaker 1: into a bank again. Like pedophilia is like a different
Speaker 1: kind of you know issue, Like I don't know who
Speaker 1: knows if there is a cure.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can't go to a bank again. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that would be that that.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not allowed in. You're not allowed in. You
Speaker 1: can use the outdoor ATM but you're not allowed in.
Speaker 1: We can't let you in. No lollipop, You're not allowed
Speaker 1: to come in and do any checking. So Huang starts
Speaker 1: to argue that the visits are therapeutic, and it's like
Speaker 1: Huang read the room, dude, She's not to your reasoning here,
Speaker 1: and she's like therapeutic for who he ruined Teddy's life
Speaker 1: and now he's going to do the same to Jake.
Speaker 1: And Huang's like, but therapy, and the Mom's like, therapy
Speaker 1: did not help Teddy. Seven years ago she took him
Speaker 1: to a shrink and he wouldn't talk. So now in
Speaker 1: the next scene, Huang is walking up to the two brothers.
Speaker 1: Jake is watching his brother play a video game and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, cool, you got it on
Speaker 1: this you scored this level, and the kid's like Teddy's
Speaker 1: like shut up, butt brain, And I recognize the kid
Speaker 1: playing Teddy. His name is Connor Poolo. He was Serena
Speaker 1: vander Woodson's younger brother from the og Gossip Girl. If
Speaker 1: you're a Gossip Girl fan like I was in my
Speaker 1: twenties watching a show about New York high schoolers. He's
Speaker 1: also in the season four episode called Juvenile where the
Speaker 1: two middle school kids assault and murder this woman and
Speaker 1: then he's the mastermind, but he blames it on the
Speaker 1: other kid. But then that kid gets tried as an
Speaker 1: adult because he's fourteen. Crazy episode. We'll probably do it
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, So this kid, he's got range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these are only three seasons apart. So they've got
Speaker 1: Connor Powlo on speed dial and they are booking him.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: That episode is fucked, Yeah, ending is sad Becky and
Speaker 2: Baker's in it and it.
Speaker 1: Is yes, and he plays the he plays the kind
Speaker 1: of like he reminds me of the same vibe as
Speaker 1: the kid that call McGlaughlin shoots, like kind of weird
Speaker 1: socio vibes, you know. So anyway, Huang little faces, big evil. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's only twelve, So even though he did all
Speaker 1: the shit, like somehow the two year age difference, he
Speaker 1: gets a totally different punishment inside of trial.
Speaker 2: Because Judith Light went at him so hard, like Judith
Speaker 2: Light just wanted this big kid to suffer. No, it's
Speaker 2: the mom's fault because they offer a deal. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're like, take the deal. Eleano Douglas. Everyone's like, take
Speaker 2: the deal. You don't know about a jury. Just let
Speaker 2: him serve a few years. And she goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: everyone will see my boys innocent. And it's like he
Speaker 2: got twenty five years. Oh my god, it's so horrible.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he puked and he didn't help. He didn't help.
Speaker 2: You are in trouble, But I feel like five years
Speaker 2: could have worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, juvenile, this kid's not going to offend again.
Speaker 3: Like it's finny anyway, routine, I don't. Yeah, well this
Speaker 3: we're not doing. It's a different episode.
Speaker 1: We will cover this when we cover juvenile, which we
Speaker 1: will do at some point. So Huang takes Jake on
Speaker 1: a walk, and then Stabler shits with Teddy, who like
Speaker 1: won't look up from his video games. Stabler mentions the
Speaker 1: abuse and Teddy's like, it's no big deal, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: if he hurt your little brother, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And he's like whatever, and Stabler's like, what are you playing?
Speaker 1: And he's like it's called a video game. You're not
Speaker 1: very smart, are you. So he's a victim, but he
Speaker 1: is also a little asshole as well, and he says
Speaker 1: he's never gonna see his ass white dad ever again,
Speaker 1: and if Jake wants to, it's his business, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to care if my brother gets molested. But
Speaker 1: clearly this kid is either a sociopath or is just
Speaker 1: so traumatized he refuses to show emotion. Huang is talking
Speaker 1: to Jake, who is a very cute, like he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be eight, but he seems younger. He's explaining how
Speaker 1: him and his dad watched a movie and then they
Speaker 1: played clue, and Huang says, oh, that's where you catch
Speaker 1: the bad guys, like I catch bad guys.
Speaker 3: Do you know any bad guys?
Speaker 1: And he's like, not in real life, and Mom and
Speaker 1: Finn are watching through the glass. Finn tells her they
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 3: Run a rape kit. She's so upset.
Speaker 1: She remembers going through all of that with Teddy and
Speaker 1: she thought this was all in the past. Elliott comes
Speaker 1: in and says, Teddy's a tough nut to crack, and
Speaker 1: the mom's like, I told you. He locks himself in
Speaker 1: his room playing games. He won't eed at the table
Speaker 1: with us. She starts to freak out uncontrollably. She basically
Speaker 1: starts to have like a panic attack and is like,
Speaker 1: this is a nightmare. I can't believe this is happening again,
Speaker 1: and wild it is, and Stabler has to like calm
Speaker 1: her down, and it's you know, So now Stabler goes
Speaker 1: to talk to the peto father and he's with the
Speaker 1: guy's parole officer and he explains that Gregory is in
Speaker 1: some kind of special pilot program where he offenders meet
Speaker 1: regularly with a parole officer, a psite counselor, and a
Speaker 1: polygraphic examiner. And it's like and he goes, who knows
Speaker 1: if it's working with these dirt bags.
Speaker 3: Also don't run.
Speaker 1: Polygraphs are not even acceptable as like in court, and
Speaker 1: you're just kind of teaching guys to beat it. I
Speaker 1: feel like when you give them every week, you're just
Speaker 1: teaching people how to like how it works and how
Speaker 1: you beat it. He also says he doesn't supervise the visits,
Speaker 1: So this full child rapist is allowed to see his
Speaker 1: young eight year old son without a law enforcement or
Speaker 1: parole person there at all.
Speaker 3: The guy's sister is the supervision.
Speaker 1: I like cannot like I literally wrote, I.
Speaker 3: Was like fuck that.
Speaker 1: Like if a judge made me take my kid to
Speaker 1: see to these like barely supervised visits, I would just
Speaker 1: go fugitive. I would just move to another state or
Speaker 1: like another country and be like we're out of here,
Speaker 1: not happening.
Speaker 2: But I know that is Yeah he is. That's privilege.
Speaker 2: He's crying about parent alienation. That's how he does.
Speaker 1: Yeh, he got a parent alienation lawyer exactly. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's not fair, she's turning him against me.
Speaker 2: So the sister I did was ruin my kid's brain
Speaker 2: and body and life forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not allowed to see his little brother
Speaker 1: like in world. So the sister comes to the door
Speaker 1: in a little bit. I don't even know him, Like
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Yeah, son, it's like he was
Speaker 1: born while you were in prison for you know, raping
Speaker 1: your other kid.
Speaker 3: You don't even know him. Why are you acting like
Speaker 3: you need him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I also can't imagine at seven years old,
Speaker 1: when you're a little boy and you have a fourteen
Speaker 1: year old brother who hates this guy, why you wouldn't
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, I hate him too, because like
Speaker 1: I follow everything my older brother does. You know, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would insist on these visits.
Speaker 1: But maybe, I mean other kids are like, oh, my dad,
Speaker 1: my dad, my dad. Maybe you're like I want to
Speaker 1: see my dad.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the pedophile sister comes to the door in a
Speaker 1: little vest uniform, and the po asks have you been
Speaker 1: letting him spend alone time with Jake? And she goes,
Speaker 1: no way, I know the rules. And then Gregory walks
Speaker 1: in and goes, oh, you brought back up. I don't
Speaker 1: remember robbing a bank, And it's like, no, you repeatedly
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted your own child. Robbing a bank would be
Speaker 1: a better crime, Like what are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: the actor here is Tim Hopper, and he was in
Speaker 1: an episode that we've covered called Taken, Remember about the
Speaker 1: set up rape the hotel with Jenna Lemia where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're just trying to get all the
Speaker 1: money from the hotel.
Speaker 3: He's the cousin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the cousin who got the job as a
Speaker 1: bell hop to try to help with the whole scam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, little bill billy face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to the mix, Tim Hopper. And then
Speaker 1: Stabler takes Gregory into another room to talk to him
Speaker 1: and explains Jake says he was abused, and he goes,
Speaker 1: it wasn't me. I would never and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you really can't say I would never. Like he goes,
Speaker 1: I've changed and a judge thinks I've changed, And they
Speaker 1: do you think they'd let me see my son if
Speaker 1: I wasn't cured. And it's like, I truly don't know
Speaker 1: why they're letting you see your son. But he says
Speaker 1: he did his time, learned his lesson. It's like he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm a grown man who lives with my sister. I'm
Speaker 1: not allowed to be alone with my own kid. That's
Speaker 1: my life on my on parol. It's like, okay, sad
Speaker 1: sad song, but it's also like it was about learning
Speaker 1: a lesson that to me is like when you rob
Speaker 1: a bank, like learn your lesson. You can't steal money,
Speaker 1: not like you can't abuse children. Anyway, He says he
Speaker 1: can't get away with shit. He takes a lie detector
Speaker 1: every week, and his next appointment is on Monday, and
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, it just got rescheduled, So now we cuts
Speaker 1: Ahuong giving him a lie detector test. He's passing the questions,
Speaker 1: but Finn's like, he takes this once a week, he
Speaker 1: can probably beat the box, like I said. And then
Speaker 1: he asks him if he was alone with Jake and
Speaker 1: he says no, and that is a lie. So then
Speaker 1: Stabler goes to talk to his sister and goes, you lied,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to charge you with a coke as
Speaker 1: a co conspirator if you do not talk like you
Speaker 1: left him alone with Jake. She goes, listen, I had
Speaker 1: to take a shower before work. I left them alone
Speaker 1: for ten minutes. What could happen in ten minutes? It's
Speaker 1: like full sexual assault could happen in ten minutes. Jesus
Speaker 1: so they bring Henzel to lock up and he's proclaiming
Speaker 1: his innocence. They're like, Jake is eight, he's the same
Speaker 1: age Teddy was, and he goes, did Jake say I
Speaker 1: touched him? He didn't, Diddy, you have to believe me,
Speaker 1: I didn't do this, blah blah blah. Finn is like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to do a damn thing for you,
Speaker 1: and that's when they get a call from Warner. As usual,
Speaker 1: the story needs to move along. Warner needs us. So
Speaker 1: now we are at Melinda's house. She's got traces of
Speaker 1: saliva from around the area of Jake's genitals, and Finn
Speaker 1: and Stable are like, great, let's put this guy away.
Speaker 3: But hold up.
Speaker 1: Melinda shows them Jake's mitochondrial DNA, which is the DNA
Speaker 1: you get from your mother, and then his abusers might
Speaker 1: have cadrial DNA, and boom, they are in exact match.
Speaker 1: So it is a familiar relation, but it is done
Speaker 1: done Teddy. So Finn goes like fatherlike son, and that's
Speaker 1: the end of ack to one. So now at school
Speaker 1: they're going there to find Teddy or whatever. Finn says,
Speaker 1: the soccer coach said, Teddy showed up for morning practice,
Speaker 1: which I didn't really know that that was like a
Speaker 1: thing like before school practice was a thing for soccer,
Speaker 1: like I know, swimming for sure, and ice skating and
Speaker 1: things like that. But then he said a kid said
Speaker 1: something to him and he took off like a shot.
Speaker 1: And he's not at home because the mom says she
Speaker 1: hasn't seen him since morning. So they walk into the
Speaker 1: school and there are pictures of Teddy plastered everywhere. They
Speaker 1: kind of look like posed glamour shots. But Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: some of these are hardcore, So I got us. The
Speaker 1: ones that we don't look like, we don't see directly
Speaker 1: are probably look like child sex abuse materials. So they
Speaker 1: head to the cafeteria where they hear a commotion and
Speaker 1: it's a fight of Teddy and this other kid like
Speaker 1: punching each other and fighting and they're going.
Speaker 3: Kill him, break his, break this freak's nose.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and they break them apart, and he goes,
Speaker 1: Gordy did it he hung those pictures? And Gordy yells up,
Speaker 1: yours fairy boy, okay.
Speaker 2: And so so fucked up to do that, Like that
Speaker 2: kid should be expelled from Yeah, yeah, that is so
Speaker 2: fucked up, because even in Mean Girls, it's funny like
Speaker 2: Jawbreaker not as into this is like fuck you little kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Stabler has Teddy now in like an office room,
Speaker 1: and Teddy has been how I was able to print
Speaker 1: so many and some of them are giant sizes, like
Speaker 1: weel like getting the printing capabilities for all these photos.
Speaker 1: I think at the school newspaper, which we find out later.
Speaker 1: I think he was using this school printer. But Stabler
Speaker 1: has Teddy in an office right now, and I can't
Speaker 1: not call out that Teddy has very red lips. He
Speaker 1: literally looks like he just like pounded some Hawaiian punch.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like be pervy, but he just says,
Speaker 1: lips look like he's wearing lipstick, Like they're very rare.
Speaker 1: So as really like kind of curly gelled short hair.
Speaker 3: He is Betty Boop from the neck up. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: does have that vine for sure. Somebody like joke eat him.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they're like, why would Gordy do that? Why
Speaker 1: would he want to humiliate you? And stable? And he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to say anything. Stabler's like, if you don't talk,
Speaker 1: I can't help, and he goes, why are you so
Speaker 1: interested in me? Those pictures turn you on? And Stable goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the ones with your little brother made me sick, and
Speaker 1: he goes, uh. He goes the rape kit proves that
Speaker 1: you hurt your brother, and he goes, no, I didn't
Speaker 1: hurt Jake, and then Stabler goes, you molested him, and
Speaker 1: Teddy goes, so, my dad did stuff to me and
Speaker 1: it didn't mess me up, and it's like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is You're telling on yourself pretty hard here, Like you
Speaker 1: don't even first you said you didn't hurt him, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, wow, the little some mouth stuff's not bad.
Speaker 1: It's like terrible. And then he's like, your dad screwed up.
Speaker 1: Your head's so bad you don't even know what you've done.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Finn talking to Gordy and
Speaker 1: this kid fucking sucks.
Speaker 3: He says, hanging pictures is not a crime. I know
Speaker 3: my rights.
Speaker 1: I'm in journalism and Finn goes, you're in puberty, and
Speaker 1: it's like, lol, I worked on my high school and
Speaker 1: college newspapers and I did not know my rights. Like
Speaker 1: if a cop had come to talk to me at
Speaker 1: those times, I would.
Speaker 3: Have been like what do you need to know?
Speaker 1: And the kids all freedom of speech is the cornerstone
Speaker 1: of democracy. And then he says he hung all those
Speaker 1: pictures because Teddy's a freak and everyone needs to know it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what are you, Tucker Carlson, Like your
Speaker 1: work is not like this is not important work that
Speaker 1: you're doing. Oh so where is Tucker gone? Did he
Speaker 1: get a job? But he's just chilling? Wait, he's going
Speaker 1: for I think he's going through a lawsuit because he's
Speaker 1: trying to like start his own I believe Twitter show
Speaker 1: or x whatever we call that place now. But he's
Speaker 1: gotten like non competes with Fox that he has to
Speaker 1: like fight in court because he's not supposed to work
Speaker 1: for like the next two years. Ooh, I love fighting
Speaker 1: your little boss daddy. Yeah, but I also hope that
Speaker 1: I also hope that the contract is binding and Fox
Speaker 1: wins and that that man just can't talk for two years.
Speaker 3: That would be so great. I would love it. I
Speaker 3: mean he could talk like loot of him wasting his
Speaker 3: money in court is yeah too? Yeah pretty nice.
Speaker 1: So but he's so rich, I mean the contract they
Speaker 1: bought him out with was millions, so he's probably just
Speaker 1: using their own money to fight them. But anyway, this
Speaker 1: kid is fucking terrible. He's like when Fid goes, did
Speaker 1: Teddy touch you? He goes, I'm not an F word slur,
Speaker 1: like you know, and it's like you're a young Republican
Speaker 1: for sure, Gordy, Like you have to let the school
Speaker 1: know that this kid might be gay, Like that's what's
Speaker 1: behind all of this, Like that's your republic, that's your
Speaker 1: uh like journalistic integrity and action. Anyway, Finn thinks that
Speaker 1: Gordy made the pictures with photoshop, but he goes, no,
Speaker 1: I found them on the web. Everybody drink the name
Speaker 1: of the episode. And then he found a link that
Speaker 1: got posted on Teddy's my site profile and it led
Speaker 1: to this website called Teddy'streehouse dot com. So now we
Speaker 1: cut to Terru Akaarubin Morales aka Joel de la Fuente,
Speaker 1: friend of the pod, who actually has a big episode today,
Speaker 1: so you know, we're happy we've been able to talk
Speaker 1: to him, and he's giving the gang the whole breakdown.
Speaker 1: He calls Teddy's Treehouse a child porn superstore. He says
Speaker 1: there's picks webcam videos starring Teddy, and according to the billing,
Speaker 1: it's all Teddy.
Speaker 3: These guys pay.
Speaker 1: The membership is thirty dollars a month, and these guys
Speaker 1: pay Teddy and it all gets deposited into an online
Speaker 1: account and then he buys shit online with it. There's
Speaker 1: never any cash changing hands. And he would schedule live
Speaker 1: shows and the website has is basically a window into
Speaker 1: his bedroom and all these pedophiles pay, and it's over
Speaker 1: a thousand guys. So over one thousand guys paying thirty
Speaker 1: a month. Is that's thirty K a month that this
Speaker 1: kid is making on his videos.
Speaker 3: You can't track the subscribers. They're smart.
Speaker 1: They use offshore ISPs that don't respond to like US subpoenas,
Speaker 1: and so they're like, go get the kid to give
Speaker 1: up some names, Craigan says, But Sabler's like, let me
Speaker 1: start with Jake first. So Jake says talking, so Stable's
Speaker 1: not talking to Jake, and he says that the pictures
Speaker 1: are for Teddy's friends on the computer, and he said
Speaker 1: they made they took pictures and they made the pretending movie.
Speaker 1: Teddy's friends told them to do stuff and they did it,
Speaker 1: like acting in a movie and Teddy told him that
Speaker 1: his friends were buying tickets to see it, and that
Speaker 1: you know, if they buy tickets, he can use the
Speaker 1: money for presents for Teddy. And then Teddy said, if
Speaker 1: you get good at it, they'll buy you presents too.
Speaker 1: He says he's only done one of these videos, but
Speaker 1: Teddy said, we could do more, but so far they've
Speaker 1: only done one. Behind the glass of the one way Mirror,
Speaker 1: Morales's piss like ted He's like Teddy abused his brother
Speaker 1: on camera for those pervs like and Craigan goes shut
Speaker 1: the site down and then Stabler's like, oh, was it fun?
Speaker 3: And Jake's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And you know that's when Teddy promised him that he
Speaker 1: would get his own presence too, And Finn says, Teddy's
Speaker 1: lawyer's here, so in an interview room. Teddy's lawyer is
Speaker 1: always fun to see him. Trevor lane In aka Peter Herman,
Speaker 1: mister Mrshkahargate and a love interests I guess on the
Speaker 1: New Just and just like that season, which I love.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of it yet. I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: it all on my vacation next week. But yeah, wild
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's getting more time because he is truly
Speaker 1: one of the most handsome men I think working. Stabler
Speaker 1: busts in and says, Jake told me about the pretending movies,
Speaker 1: and Teddy goes so and Stabler goes, those men are
Speaker 1: using you, and Teddy goes, they pay me. It's my choice,
Speaker 1: and he goes like it was Jake's choice to be
Speaker 1: molested by you, and Teddy goes go to hell, and
Speaker 1: the lawyer is like tre even. Trevor's like, you got
Speaker 1: to calm down, bro, and he goes. Sabler goes, you
Speaker 1: think you're this little entrepreneur, but you've committed serious crimes.
Speaker 1: Trevor's like, would you consider a deal if Teddy names
Speaker 1: the subscribers, And Teddy's like standing up for these guys.
Speaker 1: He's like, no way, these guys pay me crazy loot.
Speaker 1: You think I'm gonna give that up? Like he has
Speaker 1: like no concept at all that he's committed crimes and
Speaker 1: like fully ruined his brother's life. And his lawyer is
Speaker 1: trying to say that Teddy is clearly the victim here,
Speaker 1: while Teddy is like, I am not a victim. I
Speaker 1: make money like I am Mark Cuban and so the
Speaker 1: men who pay for this are the problem is what
Speaker 1: Trevor says, and then Teddy goes. He calls it a problem.
Speaker 1: I call it a business. And they both look at
Speaker 1: Teddy like, fuck, this kid is super fucked. Let's step
Speaker 1: outside and talk about this.
Speaker 3: Let's go talk about him over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Stabler goes, maybe after an arraignment, he'll realize
Speaker 1: this isn't a joke, Like, does jail time not mean
Speaker 1: anything to you, Teddy? And Trevor is arguing that he
Speaker 1: can give up like hundreds of real perps. He just
Speaker 1: needs time to get Teddy to agree to give up
Speaker 1: the names. So they bring their convo around to where
Speaker 1: the mom is waiting and she's like, wait, what, you're
Speaker 1: resting him and they're like, I have to. He molested
Speaker 1: his little brother, and Trevor argues he's acting out his
Speaker 1: own abuse, and he's like, let me work on him.
Speaker 1: He begs them to let Teddy go home for the night.
Speaker 1: Jake will be safe. The mom is sending her to
Speaker 1: her mother's house. He'll shut down. If he goes to jail,
Speaker 1: we'll never get anything out of him ever again, and
Speaker 1: Stabler gives in and is like take him home.
Speaker 3: But I want him here.
Speaker 1: Nine am ready to name names, and the mom's like,
Speaker 1: thank you, Stabler, I love your forehead. And so now
Speaker 1: Elliott is in a very fast paced walk and talk
Speaker 1: with Novak and she's like, risky, move dude, hope Langon
Speaker 1: can get Teddy to talk, and Stabler's like, I'd rather
Speaker 1: bag the predators than the prey. So when they walk
Speaker 1: into Casey's office, sitting on the couch is Donna Geison.
Speaker 1: Then i'ven say your last name, so I'm kind of
Speaker 1: guessing here on the pronunciation. And she's a US attorney
Speaker 1: played by Kate mulgrew aka Read from Orange is the
Speaker 1: New Black, and Captain Janeway from Star Trek, which I
Speaker 1: would never know, but every time I was watching Orange,
Speaker 1: my husband would come in and go, it's Captain Janeway.
Speaker 3: So for all the Trekies, there you go.
Speaker 4: And she, you know, she has that like sort of
Speaker 4: like foxy foxy lockjaw voice that I love, and she's like,
Speaker 4: I'm just here to tell you that the US Attorney's
Speaker 4: office is taking custody of Tenny Whitnock.
Speaker 1: So apparently they're trying to argue that they've been building
Speaker 1: a case against this kid for a year, and then
Speaker 1: they're like and then you guys bust in and you know,
Speaker 1: Sabler's like, he's just a kid, and she goes Justice.
Speaker 3: Doesn't care if he's four or fourteen.
Speaker 1: And so I don't understand how if they've been working
Speaker 1: a case against this for a year, they let him
Speaker 1: be in a house with his eight year old brother,
Speaker 1: where like they could have inferred that he could be
Speaker 1: doing something or like that, you're just gonna let child
Speaker 1: pornography like run in and out of a house where
Speaker 1: an eight year old is living. So I blame the
Speaker 1: US attorneys for Jake's probably Jake's yeah issues. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what we just had that episode with the pediatrician
Speaker 1: where it was like, oh, the cops did their investigation
Speaker 1: and in that time, another kid was molested, and then
Speaker 1: they're trying to like sue the department.
Speaker 3: So anyway, she.
Speaker 1: Says, when we got word of the arrest, we voted
Speaker 1: out the indictment this afternoon.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: They've made it so that his indictment in New York
Speaker 1: court is out, and so that now they're going to
Speaker 1: try him as in a US like federal case. I
Speaker 1: don't know, And Casey goes, what if he flips on
Speaker 1: all his subscribers and she was like, no one made
Speaker 1: him build the website. And they're like, do you want
Speaker 1: one confused kid or a thousand pervs? And she tells them,
Speaker 1: you know, we have a zero tolerance policy when it
Speaker 1: comes to producers of kitty smut, and Casey's like, there's
Speaker 1: a big difference between this kid, Teddy, who is a
Speaker 1: victim himself, and a grown man who exploits kids. And
Speaker 1: Donna says, he exploited his little brother and it's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: you let it happen. You were building a case against him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she says, we're not going to wait until the morning
Speaker 1: and starts to make a call and Stabler goes, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: I'll bring him in.
Speaker 3: So Stabler goes to the house.
Speaker 1: The mom says, I just talked to him and so
Speaker 1: as his lawyer, he will not reconsider. And so I
Speaker 1: guess his move is just like I'll take jail time.
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand he's going to go to jail
Speaker 1: for a chunk of his life because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to give up the people that are paying him, but
Speaker 1: you can't use the money when you're in jail. So
Speaker 1: I guess I don't get the fourteen year old logic here,
Speaker 1: but that's probably part.
Speaker 3: Of the point. So he she knocks on Teddy's door
Speaker 3: and he goes, what do you want? But he won't
Speaker 3: open the.
Speaker 1: Door, and then Stabler he hears Stabler's there. He starts
Speaker 1: to break down the door and they see when they
Speaker 1: open the door that the window is open. Teddy he's
Speaker 1: on the fire escape, escaping and Stapler Stapler. I just
Speaker 1: called him Stapler. That's first. I never called him Stapler
Speaker 1: before Stabler. Wait, I'm obsessed with that, because then maybe
Speaker 1: we can make Stapler merch.
Speaker 2: We can't make Stabler merch. But no one owns a Stapler.
Speaker 1: We need something that's a good Benson fuck up, like
Speaker 1: just a stapler with a butt. Yeah, Stabler with a butt,
Speaker 1: a button, a gun. Let's go all of our artistic listeners,
Speaker 1: let's get the let's get the stapler butt going. So
Speaker 1: Stabler chases him to the street but loses him.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have an idea.
Speaker 2: It's like a stapler and then it's like the back
Speaker 2: of his butt, like sitting on it seductively, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: But it's sitting on the stapler. Yeah, like he's a
Speaker 2: diving board. He's on a diving board, or like he's
Speaker 2: one of those iron workers eating lunch in the sky,
Speaker 2: you know, like sitting on a thing, or but like.
Speaker 1: What if he is a stapler and like the top
Speaker 1: the stapler is the butt cheeks. So every time you
Speaker 1: staple something, it's like you're pushing down the butt cheeks,
Speaker 1: and the cheeks are kind of what's crunching the stapler
Speaker 1: into something.
Speaker 3: I like that the staple.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. We're just workshopping this. You
Speaker 1: guys are listening to our genius as it happens.
Speaker 2: When I think of stapler, I only think of the
Speaker 2: red stapler from Office Space. Yeah, somebody took my stapler
Speaker 2: and that's not it's my stapler.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. Good at an impression. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, So top of AC three, the gang's all working hard,
Speaker 1: but Teddy is in the wind. There's train alerts and
Speaker 1: airport alerts, but they're like, he won't get out of
Speaker 1: the city. And you hear a voice, go he will
Speaker 1: if he has help. And it's Morales, and he's been
Speaker 1: monitoring the chats on Teddy's website message boards, and there's
Speaker 1: a guy named Sunshine Guy nine thousand who wrote Teddy's
Speaker 1: at the Nest, Help is on the way, and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: hold up, I told you to shut this website down,
Speaker 1: but you let these pervs keep chatting online, and now
Speaker 1: Teddy is missing because you dis obeyed my order. Like,
Speaker 1: Craig is about to pop a top and the Feds
Speaker 1: are gonna want somebody's head. Give me one reason why
Speaker 1: I shouldn't hand them yours, and Morales is like, I
Speaker 1: can make this right. The post right before Sunshine Guy
Speaker 1: is a guy named Funfella thirteen. These names are so crazy.
Speaker 1: Funfella thirteen says we gotta help Teddy, and then Sunshine
Speaker 1: Guy says help is on the way, so it seems
Speaker 1: like they're working together. Sunshine Guy went dark after these posts,
Speaker 1: but Funfella has been all over the web chatting on
Speaker 1: other teen sites. We got to lure him out and
Speaker 1: sweat him for an idea on Sunshine Guy. They say,
Speaker 1: Craigan goes set it up. So Funfella just entered a
Speaker 1: chat room called soccer Rules with a z and I
Speaker 1: love that. What do you do when you go into
Speaker 1: a soccer rules chat room? You just go, oh, I
Speaker 1: love soccer. What's your favorite part? Oh? I love kicking
Speaker 1: the ball and scoring goals? And what kind of shin
Speaker 1: guards do you wear? I don't know, Like, where did
Speaker 1: these conversations go? I'll tell you where they go. Morales
Speaker 1: starts posting as a fifteen year old named Brad who
Speaker 1: is a sweeper on the JV team and he.
Speaker 3: Does not like girls. Ew yuck.
Speaker 1: Vun Fella falls for this in record speed, asks are
Speaker 1: you a virgin? I can show you how to do
Speaker 1: it so it won't hurt the guy wants to meet.
Speaker 1: It's like it takes ten seconds. This pedophile has been
Speaker 1: snared and we are meeting him. So now we're all
Speaker 1: in position before the meet. They let Morales come along.
Speaker 1: Why is there a CSU Why is there a Taru
Speaker 1: guy in the car with them?
Speaker 3: It's confusing, we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's in the car with Stabler and Sailor's like, dude,
Speaker 1: why did you disobey Kraigan and not shut down the website?
Speaker 1: And Morales is like I knew those pedophiles would just
Speaker 1: go somewhere else and he's like, so you just risk
Speaker 1: your career and he's like, I needed to get him.
Speaker 1: He explains that his sister is a single mom who
Speaker 1: works long hours. Her son, Freddie, is twelve. He goes
Speaker 1: online to make friends. A new buddy convinced him to
Speaker 1: go see a movie. Turned out the guy was forty three,
Speaker 1: took the Morales's nephew to a hotel and sexually assaulted him.
Speaker 1: So they never found the guy, and Morales feels bad
Speaker 1: because he's the one that gave Freddie the computer, So
Speaker 1: this has a personal connect for Morale. So then Morales
Speaker 1: spots fun and I think we talked to him about
Speaker 1: this role a little bit, So if you want to
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the episode where we talked
Speaker 1: to him, we now have all of our guest names
Speaker 1: in our episodes, so you should be able to find it.
Speaker 1: So Morales then spots Funfella walking down a busy city street.
Speaker 1: Funfella walks into this diner where Finn is waiting, and
Speaker 1: Finn goes, what's up, fun Fella, I'm a little older
Speaker 1: than fifteen, but maybe we could still be friends. That
Speaker 1: if I was a pedophile, that would be my worst
Speaker 1: nightmare a Finn coming up to me with like a
Speaker 1: little piffy joke about how I'm a pedophile, and then
Speaker 1: other cops stand up and grab him and he tells
Speaker 1: them his name is Ralph Zesner.
Speaker 3: And in the bag that he's got.
Speaker 1: With him, he's got wine coolers and condoms, because he said, oh,
Speaker 1: I just came in here to eat, and it's like
Speaker 1: with a bag of wine coolers and condoms, okay, sir.
Speaker 1: So in interrogation, Finn goes, what were you planning on
Speaker 1: getting frisky with the hamburglar? I don't really get that one,
Speaker 1: but let's put it in the Finn quote book. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, were they in a McDonald's. I guess it's
Speaker 1: just confusing. It's like, if they were in a McDonald's,
Speaker 1: that would make sense to me, but I think they
Speaker 1: were just in a New York diner.
Speaker 3: So they're like, where's Teddy? And he goes, who's Teddy?
Speaker 1: And they're like, give it up, man, we have your
Speaker 1: membership to a site and your chat with a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old who was actually a cop.
Speaker 3: And he goes, I'm a horrible person. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get better.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a shrink and then this guy also admits
Speaker 1: that he's a teacher.
Speaker 3: Oh yikes.
Speaker 1: So they start grilling him about Sunshine Guy and helping
Speaker 1: Teddy run away from the Nest and his mother's house,
Speaker 1: and they're like, his mother's house isn't the nest. The
Speaker 1: Nest is an apartment in a building called Eagle Plaza.
Speaker 1: That's why it's called the Nests like Eagle. Teddy so
Speaker 1: good at double entendre. So apparently this is where Teddy
Speaker 1: films his shows and he was going there to hide out.
Speaker 1: So Finn and Sabler walk into this massive apartment and
Speaker 1: they see pizza boxes, soda can, high tech gear, a
Speaker 1: teen boys fantasy crash pad, they call it. So honestly,
Speaker 1: any apartment where you could just go hang out would
Speaker 1: be a teen fantasy crash pad.
Speaker 3: This place is massive.
Speaker 1: Stabler checks out the last show that's on the camera,
Speaker 1: and it's Teddy talking to camera, going, it might be
Speaker 1: a while before you guys see me. Things are getting
Speaker 1: pretty annoying here because I'm molested my brother and now
Speaker 1: the cops are after me, and he's gone.
Speaker 3: He's gone to stay.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm going to stay with some friends in Oregon,
Speaker 1: which is not how you say it, and it just
Speaker 1: really made me laugh that he was like Oregon, how
Speaker 1: a New York kid, I think would say it. Then
Speaker 1: a visitor enters the room and Teddy's like, oh hey,
Speaker 1: what's up. Like he doesn't seem scared, he knows the guy.
Speaker 1: But then we see this guy wearing like a black
Speaker 1: leather jacket just like chloroform Teddy and throw him over
Speaker 1: his shoulder and kidnap him. But you don't see his
Speaker 1: face obviously, and the guy had his own key. Teddy's
Speaker 1: too young to lease that place on his own, so
Speaker 1: let's check out that angle. So now they're at the
Speaker 1: Eagle Plaza building talking to the leasing guy or whatever,
Speaker 1: who says that it was leased by four months ago
Speaker 1: by a guy named Claude Henderson one two three four
Speaker 1: Happy Town Lane. He pays with an out of state
Speaker 1: check which is from Garfield, New Jersey. So now they
Speaker 1: roll up on Claude Henderson and surprise, it's an old
Speaker 1: man in a wheelchair who can barely speak, and his
Speaker 1: nurse explains that his identity has recently been stolen, so
Speaker 1: obviously this apartment's being paid for with this poor old
Speaker 1: man's money. So if you've been wondering where the fuck
Speaker 1: Olivia has been, remember that the last episode was I
Speaker 1: think the last episode of the episode before was lou
Speaker 1: Diamond Phillips slashed her neck and then killed a little
Speaker 1: boy in front of hundreds of people, And there was
Speaker 1: the whole thing where her and Stable were maybe too
Speaker 1: close because he stopped to help her and said a
Speaker 1: little boy. So she transferred to Computer crimes, the computer
Speaker 1: crimes unit, So Finn and Stabler roll up on her
Speaker 1: at a cubicle where she's tippy tap typing, and she
Speaker 1: looks shocked to see them. She's like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing here? And they're like, we need your help. Fade
Speaker 1: to commercial up on the last act. The top of
Speaker 1: the last act, Live is talking to them and is like,
Speaker 1: even if Morales wanted to, he couldn't track these pedophiles.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the software.
Speaker 1: Baby, but Live does hot off the press from Homeland Security.
Speaker 1: She's telling them how terrorists have gone digital and that
Speaker 1: searches that used to take a day now take twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, wow, you're really into this and she's like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's scams and fraud I haven't seen blood
Speaker 1: or tears in weeks.
Speaker 3: I could use a break. So is this baby time?
Speaker 3: What is this break? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because lou Diamond Phillips told us that she
Speaker 1: was pregnant in that scene, like you know, like and
Speaker 1: it was so I think that she They're putting her
Speaker 1: in something where she can be behind a desk, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to run after any purpse or anything, and
Speaker 1: that's what's happening here with the computer crimes.
Speaker 3: She looks gorgeous, she's glowing.
Speaker 1: And so she explains to them that she's been following
Speaker 1: Sunshine Guy's activity and that the next time he chats
Speaker 1: with anyone, she can pinpoint exactly where he is. And
Speaker 1: uh ding dong, he just came online and uh oh
Speaker 1: his IP is at Mercy Hospital. Finn's like Jesus, first
Speaker 1: a teacher, now a doctor, what's next? The vice president? Okay,
Speaker 1: And so they scurry away and I'll pregnant. Marishka smiles
Speaker 1: at them, and then Elliott does this like high school
Speaker 1: boy thing where he kind of hangs out for like
Speaker 1: an extra second and he goes seea and he's just
Speaker 1: like like try to act like he doesn't care, but
Speaker 1: he obviously does and live is like by you know,
Speaker 1: and then I kind of I like it if you
Speaker 1: need to rewatch it. It's a funny little moment. And
Speaker 1: so the detectives bust into an exam room and fuck,
Speaker 1: it's a pediatrician. Like it couldn't just be an anesthesiologist,
Speaker 1: it's a full pediatrician. He says his name is doctor Lucas,
Speaker 1: and Finn is like, but I'll call you Sunshine guy.
Speaker 1: And to his patients he's like, this is a mistake.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. But then to the cops he goes,
Speaker 1: Teddy's gone and you'll never find him, like truly like evil.
Speaker 1: This man, he like doesn't even try to hide it.
Speaker 1: He knows who Teddy is. And he's like, I helped
Speaker 1: hide him. And you guys are barking up the wrong
Speaker 1: tree in a bars and cement room?
Speaker 3: Is that what we're calling them? Bars and cement? Okay,
Speaker 3: so we're in a bars and cement room now.
Speaker 1: Elliot is talking to doctor Lucas saying, if you help us,
Speaker 1: we can avoid a life sentence for you, and he says,
Speaker 1: why would I help you? You're trying to put Teddy
Speaker 1: in jail, and he says, I was in the hospital
Speaker 1: all day, so I've got an alibi. I didn't take Teddy.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, who did you send in your place?
Speaker 1: And he gives this like smug pedophile smirk like I'll
Speaker 1: never tell.
Speaker 3: And then the guys like you don't care about Teddy?
Speaker 1: We do, and he goes, I'm not saying another word,
Speaker 1: and then it's like wild that he's just going to
Speaker 1: throw away his freedom and his entire career for this
Speaker 1: fourteen year old kid, Like that's like, sorry, I just
Speaker 1: like I am willing to go to jail. I just love
Speaker 1: this boy so much that I've like never seen in
Speaker 1: real life. Stabler goes to check in with Morales. He's
Speaker 1: at the end of his rope. He's searching everywhere on
Speaker 1: the internet, but these guys are so hard to find.
Speaker 1: No one is mentioning Teddy on the chat rooms or anything,
Speaker 1: and he's feeling really frustrated. Sabler's like, why don't you
Speaker 1: head home, man, Like this seems like it's taking a
Speaker 1: toll on you, And he's like, it's too late. Teddy's
Speaker 1: dead and it's my fault. And Elliott's gets a call
Speaker 1: and goes I'll be right there. So we're not really
Speaker 1: dealing with Morales's issues.
Speaker 3: It's live.
Speaker 1: Obviously she pulled Lucas's cell phone records calls and texts
Speaker 1: without a warrant, and she goes, I didn't think you'd
Speaker 1: want me to wait. So it's like, wow, computer crimes
Speaker 1: has made her a real rule breaker. So now we
Speaker 1: know that he was texting with a guy named good
Speaker 1: Friend twenty two who's another subscriber. But good Friend twenty
Speaker 1: two is on a burner. Lucas won't talk to them,
Speaker 1: but they're like, Live, maybe you can give it a shot.
Speaker 1: Maybe put on like a sort of oversized coat so
Speaker 1: we can't see your pregnancy and come give this guy
Speaker 1: give it a shot. So now at the precinct, Live
Speaker 1: says she wasn't planning on coming back, and Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: it's in your blood, and she goes, yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: So when they walk into interrogation, they find Morales there
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of this guy, Doctor Lucas just
Speaker 1: like punching.
Speaker 3: Okay, computer door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like wow, somebody is stepping it up, and so
Speaker 1: he at first Stabler goes wait a sec and then
Speaker 1: Lives like, no, we have to stop this and he's
Speaker 1: like they So they break them up and then he's like, sorry, Olivia,
Speaker 1: are you going to turn me in? And she's like,
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. If I don't turn
Speaker 1: you in, this guy will. So liv asks Lucas about
Speaker 1: Good Friend twenty two. He's still not talking. He says
Speaker 1: it's not a kidnapping. Teddy went into hiding voluntarily. So
Speaker 1: they show him the video where Teddy is like struggling
Speaker 1: being chloroformed, and they're like, does this look voluntary to you?
Speaker 1: And he goes, I just wanted to protect him. I
Speaker 1: love him. And this is what I learned on an
Speaker 1: episode of You're Wrong About which is that like a
Speaker 1: real majority of pedophiles actually do not think that they
Speaker 1: are hurting kids. They think that they are in a
Speaker 1: relationship that involves a lot of love. So it's not true,
Speaker 1: it's not reality, but like that's what's going through their heads.
Speaker 1: So this man is you know, loves Teddy, is in
Speaker 1: love with him, and he's saying he doesn't know the
Speaker 1: man in the video, and Live starts playing him and
Speaker 1: is like, you know, this guy doesn't love Teddy like
Speaker 1: you do think of that boy? You love with his
Speaker 1: perfect thin body, and now picture it bruised and broken
Speaker 1: and covered in blood.
Speaker 3: If he dies, it's on you.
Speaker 1: And the guy is like, truly like QAnon, He's like,
Speaker 1: this tape is fake. None of us would hurt Teddy,
Speaker 1: like he cannot imagine that of a thousand subscribers, there's
Speaker 1: one guy that would take it too far. Can't imagine
Speaker 1: that lives like. He's like, we all just love Teddy
Speaker 1: so much as impossible. Live go, I guess he's not
Speaker 1: gonna fall for it, and Stabler goes, I told you
Speaker 1: he was sharp. And then they just tell Lucas he
Speaker 1: can leave, and he's like, huh, And this is always
Speaker 1: a trap whenever they tell a perp that they're too
Speaker 1: smart for them or something. So obviously they let him
Speaker 1: go so they can follow his ass, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what they do. He goes straight to an internet cafe
Speaker 1: like a moron. Stabler is staking out out in the car.
Speaker 1: Live is back at her lab with her supercomputer, and
Speaker 1: Lucas is chatting with good friend online, who says Teddy
Speaker 1: will be quiet, we are safe, and then they trace
Speaker 1: the call to Washington, the call, the text, the chat, whatever,
Speaker 1: they trace it to Washington Heights, and then they finally
Speaker 1: pinpoint an actual address on West one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: eighth Street, which I think is like where I lived
Speaker 1: when I was like two years old, but anyway or one.
Speaker 1: So they bust into this house and a man starts
Speaker 1: immediately running upstairs.
Speaker 3: Stabler sacks him. They fight.
Speaker 1: There's punching, like this guy punches Stabler punches this guy
Speaker 1: a few times, but then the guy gets a couple
Speaker 1: in on Stabler. Then the guy has a fire poker
Speaker 1: and Stabler he kind of smacks Stabler's gun out of
Speaker 1: his hand. They struggle, They land on a coffee table together.
Speaker 1: Finally Stabler just like fucking cock cold cocks him like
Speaker 1: three times and just knocks him out. And then Finn
Speaker 1: comes up and says, Teddy's not downstairs. They go into
Speaker 1: the bedroom that's like right next to the room where
Speaker 1: they've been like sparring, and Teddy is tied to a bed, gagged, crying,
Speaker 1: and so Stabler frees him and goes, you're going to
Speaker 1: be okay, and Teddy looks very understandably very upset, like
Speaker 1: his life has been pretty terrible up to this moment.
Speaker 1: So now we're at Saint Mark's Hospital. Teddy's talking to
Speaker 1: Stabler and he goes, You're right about those guys. They
Speaker 1: were all using me. I thought they were my friends.
Speaker 1: I thought they loved me, and they ruined my life
Speaker 1: and now I'm all alone. And Stabler's like, what about
Speaker 1: your family? They're the ones who love you, And he's like,
Speaker 1: they'll never forgive me, and he's like, no, they know
Speaker 1: it's not all your fault. And then the mom comes
Speaker 1: in and says, are you okay? And he says, I'm
Speaker 1: not okay, and he apologizes to his mom.
Speaker 3: They hug their tears.
Speaker 1: Hopefully this is going to be a you know, growing
Speaker 1: moment for the family and they can all get the
Speaker 1: therapy that they need and you know, at least be
Speaker 1: communicating with each other. Like teen's shut down all the time,
Speaker 1: but if this teen needs to be talking to somebody.
Speaker 1: So Stabler walks out, Donna aka Red approaches and he's like,
Speaker 1: you got some nerve? What are you here to like
Speaker 1: arrest him like in his hospital bed, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I'm in a grant Teddy immunity in exchange for giving
Speaker 1: up the names of the pedophiles.
Speaker 3: No jail.
Speaker 1: He'll go to a residential treatment facility and he'll get
Speaker 1: the help that he needs. So we got Captain Jane
Speaker 1: Way to be chill about a fourteen year old victim.
Speaker 1: So now at the precinct, Live comes out of Kragan's
Speaker 1: office and he goes, it was a tough decision, Olivia,
Speaker 1: but you made the right call. And Stabler's like, so
Speaker 1: you did it. She goes, I didn't have a choice,
Speaker 1: and he's like whatever. Morales is a good guy, and
Speaker 1: liv goes, you think I rated him out and he goes, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know that's not your style. And she goes, thanks,
Speaker 1: and then he goes, so what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And she goes, I work here, and then she sits
Speaker 1: down at her desk. Stabler fights the urge to jump
Speaker 1: for joy. These two have like partner desks facing each other,
Speaker 1: and so the scene ends with just them going through
Speaker 1: papers together with just like lamplight on them. And that's
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf Baby Benson and Stabler back together.
Speaker 3: Kara. I mean, that was an amazing recap. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much. You know what also is amazing. We are
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Speaker 1: be right back with a true crime. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is such a wild's case. So in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: I've a New York Times business journalist, Kurt Eichenwald.
Speaker 3: That's the way we're gonna call him. That is his name.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if iken Wald's the way you
Speaker 1: say it, but it must be.
Speaker 3: It is. You know about this guy, No, but I
Speaker 3: know you're saying this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know he sounds really familiar. I bet I have
Speaker 1: read something of his. So he did an interview and
Speaker 1: wrote a front page story in the New York Times
Speaker 1: about a teenager named Justin Barry who was a teenage
Speaker 1: pornography star.
Speaker 3: And that's quoted a New York magazine.
Speaker 1: I obviously wouldn't call a thirteen year old a child
Speaker 1: pornography star, but you know, it was a different time.
Speaker 1: So Ike and Wild had an interest in shedding light
Speaker 1: into the world's dark places. That's what New York Magazine
Speaker 1: said about him.
Speaker 2: But he just really enjoyed uncovering wrongdoing and bringing criminals
Speaker 2: to account. But when he started this story, he had
Speaker 2: no idea what he was taking on. So child exploitation
Speaker 2: was the last thing he was gonna do. He's a
Speaker 2: business reporter, that is what he's known for, and he
Speaker 2: was looking for his project. He wanted something international, so
Speaker 2: he typed into Google, Interpol fraud Alert and Investigations, and
Speaker 2: that led him to a website called Mexicofriends dot com.
Speaker 2: And he thought that was just going to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, cross the border money laundering, but it was
Speaker 2: actually an amateur porn operation starring Justin Barry, who at
Speaker 2: this time was eighteen years old. And this journalist, Eichenwald
Speaker 2: was very maloney. He had two young sons and him
Speaker 2: and his wife just couldn't stop thinking about his own children,
Speaker 2: and he's like, we have to fucking do something. So
Speaker 2: this is what started a six month investigation, and it was.
Speaker 3: Dark as fuck.
Speaker 2: So he's quoted a New York magazine saying this is
Speaker 2: an organized crime business. These are people. We're not talking
Speaker 2: about people with an affinity for scotch. They spend their
Speaker 2: days talking and living and breathing the sexual issues of children.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, the wild thing about pedophiles is you know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people are just horned up, but
Speaker 2: like they can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an obsession. It's truly twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Like I am is it because it's so secret that
Speaker 2: it has to be all encompassing, the secrecy finding friends,
Speaker 2: like you have to manipulate. Like, I just wonder why
Speaker 2: they can't just be pedophiles a few times hours a day.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's part of it. It's like an affair.
Speaker 1: How an affair is addictive because of the secrecy or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, like you think about it all the time
Speaker 1: because you're like breaking rules and you're doing something wrong
Speaker 1: and you're constantly worried about being caught. But also you
Speaker 1: are you know, I think you are also obsessed with
Speaker 1: You never hear about a pedophile that has like five
Speaker 1: to ten child sex abuse images on their computer. It's
Speaker 1: always like hundreds and hundreds and hunt you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it seems like it's like an addiction.
Speaker 2: Let us know if you know any casual pedophiles, just
Speaker 2: weekend guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like so weird.
Speaker 2: It's just like it becomes everything. So this article came
Speaker 2: out and it did result in congressional hearings, arrests, and
Speaker 2: you know, he went on Oprah. There was like a
Speaker 2: lot going on and Justin Barry, he ran a very
Speaker 2: lucrative business from his room. So he lived with his
Speaker 2: mother and stepfather and younger sister in Bakersfield, California, which
Speaker 2: is ninety miles north of LA And he was a
Speaker 2: high tech wizard and he had his own registered small
Speaker 2: website development business, so that was kind of his cover.
Speaker 2: But also he knew how to build websites, so his
Speaker 2: mom and everyone they just thought he was like, up,
Speaker 2: they're building websites and just like a tech dork.
Speaker 3: No one really like knew what was going on up there.
Speaker 3: It was his secret.
Speaker 2: And he was not popular if you can imagine, not
Speaker 2: an in crowd type guy. And he went to the
Speaker 2: internet for friends. That's he craved friends. And he went
Speaker 2: online to find some friends and he heard that you
Speaker 2: can get a free webcam if you sign up for Earthlink,
Speaker 2: which was an internet service provider. So he signed up,
Speaker 2: which to me, it's like did you sign up for
Speaker 2: your own internet? Like did you have to talk to
Speaker 2: your parents to switch?
Speaker 3: Like what was it?
Speaker 1: So he set up his webcam and thought he would
Speaker 1: meet teens his age, maybe some girls connects with his
Speaker 1: peer group, but instead he was hounded by grown es
Speaker 1: men and as soon as he hooked it up, like,
Speaker 1: that's what's messed up. So he loaded the software with
Speaker 1: his picture and that's automatically posted on spot life dot
Speaker 1: com as an Internet directory of webcam users, along with
Speaker 1: his contact information, and it seems automatic and findable, so
Speaker 1: like what yeah, but then I wrote, like Instagram you
Speaker 1: can just find but it is wild like that there's
Speaker 1: just a directory immediately if you get a webcam that
Speaker 1: people know your contact?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's what's your contact is? Is it email
Speaker 3: and name? Probably? I don't know if it's like phone
Speaker 3: number or anything like.
Speaker 1: More, but either way, that's it seems that seems it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's like when you sign up for a website,
Speaker 1: it's like I forgot, like I had to go in
Speaker 1: and like take my home address off my website, like
Speaker 1: because you can't. There's a directory of websites where you
Speaker 1: can find out who owns every website. Like my website
Speaker 1: is now registered to my escorp by name with no address,
Speaker 1: but originally it was like my name and my address
Speaker 1: in New York of my websites and you have to
Speaker 1: like take that all down. Or it's because it's like
Speaker 1: the Go Daddy does nothing to protect your privacy. Wait,
Speaker 1: this is like wild and front I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you have a website, like just make sure to
Speaker 1: check your like I can. Or I think that's what
Speaker 1: it's called directory setting that shows like who owns the
Speaker 1: website because it could have some of your personal information.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: I just thought this was so wild. But it's happening today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope go Daddy is, but it's us.
Speaker 3: It's also not a.
Speaker 1: Photo like that to me is like, oh, a hot
Speaker 1: cute fifteen year old. Nottsy to call a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old hot, but you know what I'm saying, Like a
Speaker 1: picture of a cute fifteen year old goes up and
Speaker 1: there's predators out there, that's what they're looking for. It's
Speaker 1: like the photo part of it. It makes it a
Speaker 1: little bit more scary too. And are these pedophiles discerning
Speaker 1: or it's like there's a fifteen year old, let's go,
Speaker 1: or it's like no, not this one, like you know,
Speaker 1: like how discerning if a kid is down?
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure they have preferences. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So anyways, so so the predators came very quickly. Okay,
Speaker 2: they saw his little face, they had his info, and
Speaker 2: he went in. So they chatted him up, gave him
Speaker 2: tons of compliments, offered him gifts and justin Barry just
Speaker 2: sought his friendship.
Speaker 3: He is a child.
Speaker 2: So yeah, these adults go on like regular sites, legitimate sites,
Speaker 2: and then groom the children and then eventually ask for
Speaker 2: you know, sexual abuse images. So these men, predators, pedophiles
Speaker 2: taught him now to make an Amazon wish list and
Speaker 2: started sending him gifts.
Speaker 3: And then one afternoon in the year two thousand, in
Speaker 3: the year two thousand, as.
Speaker 2: Was that a pet yeah, conan, Yeah, So one of
Speaker 2: his audience members offered him fifty dollars instantly via PayPal
Speaker 2: dot com to sit bear chested in front of the
Speaker 2: webcam for three minutes, and Barry divulged to the reporter
Speaker 2: that he figured, like, listen, it's kind of just like
Speaker 2: taking your shirt off at the pool.
Speaker 3: I do that for free. What's the difference?
Speaker 1: And then he took off his shirt T shirt and
Speaker 1: the men direct quote used compliments. We don't need to
Speaker 1: use the verb ooze in this article at all, iich
Speaker 1: and wild come on, man, and we can just get
Speaker 1: compliments without oozing uses a bad word.
Speaker 3: Oose is a bad word. I just did a podcast
Speaker 3: that at.
Speaker 1: The end they do the actors Studio questionnaire that Lipton
Speaker 1: always did a yeah yeah, and it said what's your
Speaker 1: least favorite word?
Speaker 3: And I should have said ooz? What did you say?
Speaker 3: I said facetious? Oh you hate facetious? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's people that are kind of dumb pretend
Speaker 2: that they're smart because they know that one word.
Speaker 3: I think it's a snobby.
Speaker 1: Like big war like it doesn't mean does it mean
Speaker 1: anything different from sarcastic?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I thought it meant like, I don't know, look it up.
Speaker 2: Like I thought it meant like you're being a little asshole.
Speaker 2: You're being facetious. You're being a little asshole.
Speaker 1: Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor.
Speaker 3: Flippant.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought I'm being facetious meant like I'm being sarcastic,
Speaker 1: like I'm kidding, but it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm being I'm being I'm joking. Basically, you
Speaker 1: could just say I'm kidding, but you're saying I'm being facetious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're being to me.
Speaker 2: It's like a false it's like a fake big word
Speaker 2: where well, I guess we didn't really know what it
Speaker 2: meant either, but I just feel like it's used by
Speaker 2: people that are trying to prove something that they really
Speaker 2: don't have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should go on that podcast so I can
Speaker 1: talk about how mine is. Mama, Maggie, mama. If your
Speaker 1: kids say it, they say it all the time. I
Speaker 1: don't like when an adult calls me mama. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it ever.
Speaker 3: Like hey mama, hey mama.
Speaker 2: Oh that's why you hate Heather Thompson. That's a real
Speaker 2: housewife for those.
Speaker 1: Her big dinah her like big super smile. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that on camera, but you can't see me.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we were all yeah oozes for slime only. So
Speaker 2: outside of the money and the compliments, the men also
Speaker 2: filled an emotional void in his life, and so he
Speaker 2: was a prime target for these criminals. He had a
Speaker 2: bad relationship with his dad after his parents got divorced.
Speaker 2: There was an instance of abuse that was reported. The
Speaker 2: dad slammed Justin's head into a wall and it acquired
Speaker 2: seven staples in his scalp. But this fucker was found
Speaker 2: not guilty in court, acquitted. Okay, Jesus, Justin was longing
Speaker 2: for paternal affection, said family members to the New York Times.
Speaker 3: So that was the start to this secret life.
Speaker 2: So you know, he would sell his images of his
Speaker 2: body for the next five years. And like I said,
Speaker 2: his mother Karen Page, was just like I didn't think
Speaker 2: anything was out of the ordinary, nothing seemed weird. He
Speaker 2: was just a boy with a talent with computers and
Speaker 2: he liked being online. And he explained that all of
Speaker 2: his expensive equipment from the success of it was from
Speaker 2: his web development business, you know. And his grades stayed
Speaker 2: the same, even though he had like increased absences because
Speaker 2: he's just like webcamming all the time. But during the
Speaker 2: day he was playing soccer, he was on the honor roll,
Speaker 2: and at night he was performing in front of a
Speaker 2: webcam undressing, showering, masturbating, and having sex for an audience
Speaker 2: of more than fifteen hundred people who paid him over
Speaker 2: the years hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow, and he wasn't the only one.
Speaker 2: So investigation found sites like this where teens are operating
Speaker 2: two pedophiles in their rooms while their parents chill in
Speaker 2: the next room. Yeah, maybe the family computer in the
Speaker 2: living room wasn't the worst thing.
Speaker 3: It's very I think our age.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, there was just like one computer in
Speaker 2: the kitchen and that's that. Yeah that you know, no
Speaker 2: TVs in your room, no computers in your room, do
Speaker 2: your home in the kitchen? Like that was a good
Speaker 2: time to be alive. And since except yeah you I
Speaker 2: think you got caught because you didn't, I'm sure comedy
Speaker 2: ensued all the family and the tabs the history okay,
Speaker 2: but anyways, and since this was like a new thing,
Speaker 2: a new endeavor of the Internet, it didn't get attention
Speaker 2: of law enforcement or youth protection agencies.
Speaker 3: Aaront E Allen, chief.
Speaker 2: Executive of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
Speaker 2: at the time, said, this is a variation on a
Speaker 2: theme that we haven't seen.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Like they knew the predators would be using webcams, but
Speaker 2: it didn't occur to them that the teens would be
Speaker 2: doing their own shows with the webcams. And for the teens,
Speaker 2: like you're a teen, the idea of easy money fasts.
Speaker 3: What is better than that?
Speaker 2: Like I taught swim lessons and got fourteen an hour
Speaker 2: and that was huge.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just watched this movie called Jawline. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of it? It's like a documentary and
Speaker 1: it's on Hulu, and it's about this kid who became
Speaker 1: like sort of an influencer or whatever in the camming
Speaker 1: WARLD like but not in camming for sexual like just
Speaker 1: kids camming with each other. So this kid is basically
Speaker 1: like lives in Bumblefuck, Tennessee, and he's sixteen years old
Speaker 1: and he just kind of like gets shirtless on this
Speaker 1: website called you Now. But it's for girls and you
Speaker 1: can like invite people in the way you can on Instagram,
Speaker 1: Like you know, if you're doing a live you can
Speaker 1: just invite someone to like be on with you, Like
Speaker 1: he can invite and the girls all flip out when
Speaker 1: he invites them. In but he's like a very small
Speaker 1: time celebrity, like on this website called you Now, but
Speaker 1: all these kids are using it. So he'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'll be at the mall this weekend, and like twenty
Speaker 1: girls will show up to like see him at the
Speaker 1: mall or whatever, and they send him like money and
Speaker 1: tip jars and stuff like that. So it's like I
Speaker 1: didn't know all that shit was going on in like
Speaker 1: a not sexual way. I mean it's kind of sexual,
Speaker 1: but their teens. It's like there's no actual nudity or anything.
Speaker 1: It's just girls that have crushes on these like boys
Speaker 1: with like hot chisel jaw lines, which is why the
Speaker 1: movie's called jawline. Anyway, Just like I had no idea
Speaker 1: that camming world was so big.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just missed it.
Speaker 1: But like this is twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen that this
Speaker 1: kid's get like doing all this.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure there's pedophiles there pretending to be young girls.
Speaker 1: I'm sure too, But the thing is is like they're
Speaker 1: all on cam so if a pedophile was to be
Speaker 1: on there, I think they would get kicked off. Like
Speaker 1: they're all like using the visual of it. So it
Speaker 1: was a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just like an interesting piece of the social
Speaker 1: media online space that I really just knew jack shit
Speaker 1: about because I assumed webcamming was mostly just.
Speaker 2: You know, I was a parent and my kid asked
Speaker 2: me for money to give to some teen boy. I
Speaker 2: would say, I would hit that kids.
Speaker 3: I know. It's like where.
Speaker 1: They'll take you to the mall, bitch, I'll take like
Speaker 1: digital hearts and gifts and like, oh, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Does this kid even sing? No, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you gotta watch this documentary. It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: They so a manager offers to manage him, and they
Speaker 1: go on tour. These kids go on tour, these kids
Speaker 1: that are big on these sites, and when they go out,
Speaker 1: they just go to these big things where it's a
Speaker 1: million screaming girls and they just come out on stage
Speaker 1: and jump around. They're like, all right, girls, are you
Speaker 1: ready for Jordan? And he just comes out and'll be like,
Speaker 1: what's up. And sometimes the kid can do a flip
Speaker 1: or something, but they don't sing. They will sometimes do
Speaker 1: a little choreographed dance, but it's like they're just influencers
Speaker 1: and it actually part of it is a house of kids.
Speaker 1: That live in La together with this manager who ma them.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. But the manager's twenty one year old gay kid,
Speaker 1: and so you know, he's not really like, he's just
Speaker 1: in it for like to exploit them for the money.
Speaker 3: It's just wild.
Speaker 2: So but when the Times found Justin, he was eighteen
Speaker 2: years old, and they persuaded him to abandon his business
Speaker 2: and to help protect other children at risk. They helped
Speaker 2: him contact the Justice Department and then arrests and indictments
Speaker 2: of adults he identified as pornography producers and traffickers began.
Speaker 2: He revealed that a group of more than fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: men paid for his online images, and so the Justice
Speaker 2: Department also focused on the businesses, like I said, the
Speaker 2: credit card processors, and basically anybody that created, distributed, marketed,
Speaker 2: possessed or paid to view such content was open to
Speaker 2: criminal charges. So with all this they also found out
Speaker 2: so these men, all these pedophiles, they work together and
Speaker 2: they meet in other little secret corners of the Internet,
Speaker 2: and they discussed strategy online and sharing advice on how
Speaker 2: to trap their young victims. So it's like how to
Speaker 2: persuade them to go a little bit further each time,
Speaker 2: and Justin talks about how each request was slightly above
Speaker 2: the last, so each new step never struck him as
Speaker 2: that different or extreme. The Times was able to get
Speaker 2: info on the fifteen hundred people who paid Justin and
Speaker 2: analyzed the background of three hundred of them nationwide, and
Speaker 2: a majority of the sample consisted of doctors, lawyers, businessmen,
Speaker 2: teachers and most like just tons of people who work
Speaker 2: with children on a daily basis. Yeah, so yeah, the
Speaker 2: Internet brings all these pedophiles together. So like back in
Speaker 2: the day before the internet, they were just like freaks
Speaker 2: in a corner of their house and so here they're
Speaker 2: able to swarm together. But same with all these internet teens.
Speaker 2: So the teens also had a community and they called
Speaker 2: themselves the camhres and.
Speaker 3: They are a community.
Speaker 2: They were a community of business owning teens, and so
Speaker 2: they were able to bond over these pervs and the
Speaker 2: fucked up shit that was asked of them and how
Speaker 2: scared was So they would also be like God, these
Speaker 2: fucking pedophiles, and the pedophiles would be like, how do
Speaker 2: we get these kids? So it's a lot of communities
Speaker 2: online and so the abuse came into the physical world.
Speaker 2: So Justin once was molested by one of his subscribers twice,
Speaker 2: so once he was invited he invited him to attend
Speaker 2: a computer camp and molested him in the other time
Speaker 2: he enticed Justin to Michigan to have sex with a
Speaker 2: girl that he would arrange, and both times the man
Speaker 2: molested him. He was also once given thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: to meet Gilo Tuno, a former Intel employee, to visit
Speaker 2: him in Vegas at a hotel, and he was molested
Speaker 2: by him many times, and one of the assaults was videotaped,
Speaker 2: and Justin later handed that.
Speaker 3: Tape over to the FBI.
Speaker 2: After that, he was pissed and emboldened and started to
Speaker 2: push like the purv army around and he started charging
Speaker 2: more and waiting longer to respond, and he realized, like, oh,
Speaker 2: these people have no fucking life outside of being pedophiles.
Speaker 2: They are pedophiles twenty four of him and this Tuno
Speaker 2: guy also rented an apartment for Justin so like he
Speaker 2: just thought it was getting too much to be like
Speaker 2: it with in the house with his parents, like what
Speaker 2: if they find out?
Speaker 3: So he got an apartment that.
Speaker 2: Was just like very close down like to his parents' house.
Speaker 2: The dude signed a lease and helped him pay for it,
Speaker 2: and he just started doing shows from that apartment, and
Speaker 2: he would tell his mom like, oh, I have plans
Speaker 2: with friends, and then he would go to that apartment
Speaker 2: and cam damn. By the time this article came out,
Speaker 2: this gel Oh guy, though, was already serving eight years
Speaker 2: for an unrelated sexual abuse charge, so I'm sure he
Speaker 2: just had to stay in jail for longer.
Speaker 3: And now a part.
Speaker 2: That's also ripped like SB ripped from the headlines that
Speaker 2: I can't believe is real that you know that's in
Speaker 2: all these teen movies. But in two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: a former classmate found some of the pornographic photos of
Speaker 2: him and made copies and handed them out around town
Speaker 2: and to students at his school. Justin was obviously made
Speaker 2: fun of him, beaten, and he begged his mom like,
Speaker 2: please let me homeschool, Please let me homeschool, and she
Speaker 2: said yes, now, if things can't get anywhorse. So then
Speaker 2: he ran away to Mexico with his fucked up father.
Speaker 2: So the father like weaseled his way back into Justin's
Speaker 2: life and they went away to Mexico, and in Mexico,
Speaker 2: Justin confessed his dad everything he had been doing. Did
Speaker 2: the dad help him and get out of the life.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. He became a collaborator and created a news
Speaker 2: site where he would have live sex with sex workers
Speaker 2: in Mexico, and he became the internet's most sought after
Speaker 2: underage star. So Jesus, that's a sixth sentence. He then
Speaker 2: developed a weed in cocaine habit and then his dad
Speaker 2: started splitting the money with him, and because he would
Speaker 2: go get the sex workers, and then another pedophile weaseled
Speaker 2: his way into visiting him molesting Justin.
Speaker 3: His name is Greg Mitchell.
Speaker 2: He's a thirty six year old fast food employee and
Speaker 2: he was arrested and charged with six child pornography charges
Speaker 2: stemming from this case. So at this point Justin did
Speaker 2: want out of this life. He just kept getting molested.
Speaker 2: His dad is like his pimp, Like he just wanted
Speaker 2: out of the life, but was brought back into it
Speaker 2: by mister Mitchell, the molester. Because this Mitchell guy also
Speaker 2: became a partner and was helping recruit other miners for content.
Speaker 2: So that was like the tipping point. He turned eighteen
Speaker 2: and he is a legal adult now, so you know
Speaker 2: that changes charges. That changes the criminality of everything that
Speaker 2: he's doing. And one day he started communicating with someone
Speaker 2: he thought was in law enforcement, and he's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to give into this. I want
Speaker 2: to go to jail. I need to go to jail.
Speaker 2: I need to get out of this life. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't a law enforcement officer. It was the reporter from
Speaker 2: the New York Times, iken Wild. Great timing, great timing dude.
Speaker 2: So they met at lax. He finally convinced him to
Speaker 2: come to lax by paying him. We'll get into the
Speaker 2: in depths of all this, but paying him two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: He was like, just come, you know, I'm gonna come
Speaker 2: a let. Like, come a let, I'm gonna come to
Speaker 2: lax Almolest two for two thousand dollars. And so Justin
Speaker 2: flew and then iken Wild's like, listen, I'm not a pedophile.
Speaker 2: And Ikenwild had a books published, so he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: look these are books I've written. Here's my photo the jacket, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a pervert or a cop. I'm here to
Speaker 2: help you. Barry was high as fuck. He was sick,
Speaker 2: and he was six to one and one hundred and
Speaker 2: nine pounds, like he was not doing well. And so
Speaker 2: they talked over a few days and legit, He's like,
Speaker 2: I want to stop. So he finally abandoned his life
Speaker 2: of porn and drugs and it knocked sense into him
Speaker 2: and he was like, fuck, this is a mess. I
Speaker 2: speak to thousands of pedophiles on a daily basis, like
Speaker 2: this is not a good life. He got rid of
Speaker 2: his phone, fled to a part of the country nobody
Speaker 2: would find him, and he sobered up, and then within
Speaker 2: a week he was giving out names and locations of
Speaker 2: children who were actively molested or being exploited by adults.
Speaker 2: And he called iken Wild around nine pm one day
Speaker 2: and said, so many kids are in danger and somebody
Speaker 2: has to do something, and ken Wild and that moment
Speaker 2: was like, okay, so this is a news story. We'll
Speaker 2: get into all that in a moment. So then Justin
Speaker 2: contacted Stephen M. Ryan, who's the former federal prosecutor and
Speaker 2: partner at a private law firm in Washington, and he
Speaker 2: came on board with all this, And so mister Ryan
Speaker 2: contacted Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the Justice Department
Speaker 2: and told them he had a client that had evidence
Speaker 2: that could put away a lot of pedophiles, And so
Speaker 2: he sat down with the FBI and began to spill
Speaker 2: and children he believed were in the hands of predators, marketers,
Speaker 2: credit card processor like you know. He told everyone that
Speaker 2: anyone that supported the webcam child abuse images, evidence from
Speaker 2: his hard hard drives and financial information and conversation transcripts
Speaker 2: with his members, like all records were turned over for.
Speaker 3: Immunity like that.
Speaker 1: He did want immunity, but they didn't know if they
Speaker 1: could give him immunity.
Speaker 3: So the FBI and the.
Speaker 2: Department and just like had to debate like did you
Speaker 2: do harm though like to other people and by hosting
Speaker 2: the website, like are you a criminal? So they ended
Speaker 2: up offering himmunity after fifty days. So they conferred for
Speaker 2: fifty days and he officially became a federal witness. They
Speaker 2: arrested Mitchell and he got one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 2: in federal prison. They rated an LA computer server. Tim
Speaker 2: Richards was a marketer. He was arrested. Hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of computer files were seized all across the country and
Speaker 2: then so the articles about to come out. Right before
Speaker 2: the article went out, it went through forty four.
Speaker 3: Drafts by eleven editors.
Speaker 2: And also though like the editors were not happy, but
Speaker 2: Iken Wilds was like flipping out and he wanted the
Speaker 2: article out, and so he was he like refused to
Speaker 2: let them edit it anymore, and he's like, it needs
Speaker 2: to publish today. So it came out now, Like I said,
Speaker 2: we're going.
Speaker 3: To get to this. So we're here.
Speaker 2: You might be like questioning maybe the ethics of the
Speaker 2: reporting or what went down.
Speaker 3: You're probably not. But there was a lot of issues.
Speaker 2: But the New York Times is like, listen, we encouraged
Speaker 2: youths to shut down their sites, speak to their parents
Speaker 2: and seek counseling. So like we did nothing but like
Speaker 2: have these victims in mind. But when New York Magazine
Speaker 2: asked him, like how as a journalist he could justify
Speaker 2: the charade that he did, he explodes in quotes, He
Speaker 2: explodes in angry self defense. Do you think I wanted
Speaker 2: to be the first journalist to go to jail for
Speaker 2: allowing a child to continue being raped because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to violate some Star Trekian non intervention rule that
Speaker 2: isn't written down anywhere. But like, okay, so the two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars though, so you know, I can It all
Speaker 2: came to light in two thousand and seven that Iken
Speaker 2: Wild gave mister Barry two thousand dollars, but he said
Speaker 2: that that money was to like lure him to lax
Speaker 2: and that he was not acting as a journalist, and
Speaker 2: before he wrote the article, he made Justin give him
Speaker 2: back the two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So that's the claim.
Speaker 2: So they're like, wait, what the fuck we just found
Speaker 2: that you paid you know, journalists can't pay that. Yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: So it was just shady that the two thousand dollars
Speaker 2: was there, and he said that after like helping him
Speaker 2: escape that he told Justin, you need to pay me
Speaker 2: back this two thousand dollars and then we need to
Speaker 2: write this story.
Speaker 1: And Justin got a loan from his grandmother to do that.
Speaker 1: So he's saying all above board.
Speaker 2: And also and so there are a lot of opinions
Speaker 2: on this journalist, but at the end of the he
Speaker 2: did win a payn Award for Ethics and journalism because
Speaker 2: of this article, So I don't know, it's it's why
Speaker 2: he wanted ethics award.
Speaker 3: But also everyone is like, are you ethical? We hate you.
Speaker 2: His reporting methods were under intense scrutiny by other journalists,
Speaker 2: by pro sex activists, which I don't know why they would,
Speaker 2: like these people are under age.
Speaker 3: What is a pro sex activist?
Speaker 2: And by people whom his investigations helped put in jail.
Speaker 2: He in two thousand and seven was like, fuck, my
Speaker 2: career is over, and he started blaming people, and like
Speaker 2: you know, he was like, I am the people I
Speaker 2: put in jail, the pedophile. Blame, blame, blame, but like
Speaker 2: also he did have a great career and nothing like
Speaker 2: he had one blip where people were like questioning him
Speaker 2: because this is intense, but like he's a cry baby.
Speaker 2: He worked at the New York Times from nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: five to two thousand and six. He also wrote the
Speaker 2: book The Informant and produced the movie that was based
Speaker 2: on the book with Matt Damon.
Speaker 3: He's written five books total.
Speaker 2: And he also then did work as a senior writer
Speaker 2: at Newsweek and a contributing editor for Vanity Fair. And
Speaker 2: he does say that the boy in the picture he
Speaker 2: saw on that website on accident stopped being a potential story.
Speaker 2: Then it became a rescue mission and in hindsight, he
Speaker 2: does think he should have email held the cyber tip hotline,
Speaker 2: but instead he got a minister to help and like
Speaker 2: to get him out and posed as a pervy fan
Speaker 2: and make contact. But he does think in hindsight he
Speaker 2: should have reached out to the departments. But in the
Speaker 2: future of that, it's like Justin had a lot of
Speaker 2: issues with all these investigators because he just thought it'd
Speaker 2: be fast. He's like, I know all these kids that
Speaker 2: need help, let's go, let's go. And then he has
Speaker 2: all these interviews where he's just like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: they're taking forever, Like he went on Doctor Phil and
Speaker 2: was like what the fuck.
Speaker 3: Like we need to help these people.
Speaker 1: And I guess all the government, like the FBI, the
Speaker 1: Justice Department, they were all just like too slow for
Speaker 1: you know, Justin kind of like Kate Mulgro's character where
Speaker 1: it's like what are you waiting for? Yeah, like journalists
Speaker 1: have been giving like slipping fifty bucks, I'm sure for
Speaker 1: info for a long time and like, yes, this is
Speaker 1: a bigger amount, and it like looks sketchy, but I
Speaker 1: don't really think he did anything. I think it's worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, ethics or not it did lead to a
Speaker 2: lot of good this article, and he in New York
Speaker 2: Magazine he's quoted saying it's the most noble thing I've
Speaker 2: ever done. Okay, Justin stood up for him and said
Speaker 2: he's a wonderful guy and seeing him get criticized makes
Speaker 2: me sick to my stomach. So that was quoted. So sadly.
Speaker 2: Justin Barry disappeared in Mexico on August twenty first, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: when he was thirty two years old, and he has
Speaker 2: thought to be dead.
Speaker 3: But maybe he just.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just maybe he got some like face surgery
Speaker 1: and just started his fucking life over. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like you can't escape the internet once you're
Speaker 1: fucking all over the internet. You know, maybe he is
Speaker 1: alive and he just like started a new life. But
Speaker 1: that's just me being I am optimistic, I hope. So wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much of that is like right
Speaker 1: from the episode too, Like the episode pulled so much
Speaker 1: from that, that's so crazy. Well, you know, Neil Baar
Speaker 1: read that article in The Times. He was ready to
Speaker 1: yeah go yeah, because you said this all came out
Speaker 1: in five oh six, and this episode was out in
Speaker 1: the middle of six. So yeah, well, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for so thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: Well, so, as you know, we don't have a guest.
Speaker 2: We are in a strike. But you know, Karen, I
Speaker 2: can talk, so we'll be chatting. So listen to our
Speaker 2: nice little jingle and we'll be back with our closing
Speaker 2: statements arguments.
Speaker 3: Objection, you're out of order.
Speaker 2: Yes we've had no guests, but yes we are gonna
Speaker 2: keep on talking. So what did we think about web?
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, don't give your child a computer? No text?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's there should be one family computer
Speaker 1: in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Get them June bugs, get them flip phones. Nokia's like,
Speaker 2: we have to go backwards. This life is not good.
Speaker 2: Like do you not feel your brain is rotted? Take
Speaker 2: the phones out of your children's hands, take the iPads out,
Speaker 2: and one computer in the house, and let's revolutionize things.
Speaker 2: This is not the internet is not safe for children. Sorry,
Speaker 2: these people are hunting your children on the Internet. I
Speaker 2: sound like I'm in quanon and I apologize. No, I
Speaker 2: sound like I hate. It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: No like the the yeah, no, it's really dangerous.
Speaker 2: The computer programmer, you better watch what the fuck he's doing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like if he's even better than you at the computer,
Speaker 2: what makes you like, I don't know, it's just it's
Speaker 2: really sad.
Speaker 3: It's so sad, and even.
Speaker 2: With the character where it's like this fake empowerment in
Speaker 2: a way where they feel empowered like they have control,
Speaker 2: but they are being you know, when you're older by decades,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to manipulate a child.
Speaker 3: And it is just horrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I god, I hope Justin Barry is
Speaker 1: still alive, but it doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, bad parents like to be a parent. And
Speaker 2: then it's kind of Chris Jenner when you think about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Jenner made that sex tape. She's she
Speaker 2: has truly pimped out.
Speaker 3: Her kids, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Jenner is the model of like a criminal parent,
Speaker 2: except it worked for her. Yeah, I mean, this was
Speaker 2: a situation where it didn't work out and they weren't
Speaker 2: one hundred millionaires billionaires altogether.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like it's like that up that
Speaker 1: dock that I brought up jawline. It's like these this
Speaker 1: kid is living in rural Tennessee, sharing a bed with
Speaker 1: his brother going to the kitchen, there's nothing to eat,
Speaker 1: so obviously, like if he goes online and it's starting
Speaker 1: to get objectified or take your shirt off for a
Speaker 1: tip or whatever, that can obviously be a slippery slope.
Speaker 1: But it's like people are just trying to Like these
Speaker 1: people are just trying to like rise above their station,
Speaker 1: and their parents are kind of just like, yeah, whatever
Speaker 1: you need to do to get the hell out of
Speaker 1: here or get us some money, and yeah, parents exploiting
Speaker 1: is wow, And I hope this is just something on
Speaker 1: the internet that's being overly like sexual sensationalized.
Speaker 3: Wow, so many words could work.
Speaker 2: But I saw like their regular kids just doing cameos
Speaker 2: and their parents make them do cameos, and it's them
Speaker 2: wishing like grown men happy birthdays and stuff, and it's
Speaker 2: just like a fourteen year old twelve year old, Oh
Speaker 2: my gods for creepy people.
Speaker 1: And I just hope it's not I do have cameo
Speaker 1: if you'd like a not perverted cameo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on a sometime perverted or perverted.
Speaker 1: If she feels like doing that, she's of age, she
Speaker 1: can decide, I can decide. I do remember you doing
Speaker 1: your I remember you doing your pandemic cameos and your
Speaker 1: Taco Bell bikini top halving a time.
Speaker 2: People will still do it, and I'm like, no, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not on financial crisis, so it's different.
Speaker 3: I used to do a joke about that.
Speaker 1: I should try to bring that back back.
Speaker 2: Gotta write new jokes. Honestly, pay attention to what your
Speaker 2: kids are doing on the internet. Spywear air tag them.
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think they.
Speaker 1: Need don't read their journal, but I know it's I'm
Speaker 1: not even making sense.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's really hard.
Speaker 1: Because everything that we think we know, like we think
Speaker 1: we're Internet savvy, and like, honestly, I do not.
Speaker 3: Think I'm Internet savvy.
Speaker 1: Well, like, well we think we know like Instagram, TikTok whatever.
Speaker 1: There's all these apps we've never heard of. Kids can
Speaker 1: figure out how to hide browsers in what looks like
Speaker 1: a calculator.
Speaker 3: Like there's someone.
Speaker 2: Recently, while I was trying to find someone at the grove,
Speaker 2: they said, drop me your pin and I said, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to do that. And then they're younger
Speaker 2: than me and they wrote, lol, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how to do it.
Speaker 3: And then I was trying to sell Merchant.
Speaker 2: Sacramento and oh, just got my fucking refund for the
Speaker 2: Madonna concert. I knew she was going to do it.
Speaker 2: I knew she was going to do that. But it's
Speaker 2: kind of nice to get all that money back. It
Speaker 2: was not cheap a wind fall. It feels like a windfall.
Speaker 2: But I I don't believe that she was sick. I
Speaker 2: think she didn't want to compete with Taylor and Beyonce,
Speaker 2: and I think that's why she canceled it.
Speaker 3: That's my I'm sorry to be really yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think she liked the idea of not being
Speaker 2: like the biggest h just tour and was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not ready, I'm out of here. Does the bacterial
Speaker 2: infection last months? I mean, god forbid. I mean I
Speaker 2: hope she's not sick. I hope she's fair yeah, faking
Speaker 2: it well. She was just partying in Lisbon for her birthday.
Speaker 2: I think she's fine now, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: she's touring ready.
Speaker 3: But who knows. But that that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, even Gaga has had tours where she's had
Speaker 1: trouble setting selling tickets, so it's like you can't guarantee
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, but this is gonna I was gonna say, so
Speaker 2: I have my Venmo on my phone up so people
Speaker 2: can scan the code.
Speaker 3: But the screen kept going dark.
Speaker 2: And then someone is like, I work at Apple and
Speaker 2: you can definitely switch it in the settings, And I
Speaker 2: was like, what, Like, I don't know these kids are
Speaker 2: out there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I switched my settings before. If I'm like trying
Speaker 1: to use my phone for set to like remember jokes
Speaker 1: or whatever all like, have it so it doesn't go dark.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just always on low battery mode because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to save the juice always.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saving the juice. As we tell everybody, ditch
Speaker 3: your phones.
Speaker 1: But here's how we can't be without our phones for
Speaker 1: three seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but my brain's already ruined.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the future generation Gen z's brains are
Speaker 1: ruined too. They're addicted, they have COVID, they're depressed, their manic. Okay,
Speaker 1: the world's ending. I'm talking about your kids. People are listening.
Speaker 2: Now, you have tiny kids, you gotta shelter them from
Speaker 2: the internet.
Speaker 3: They don't have iPads.
Speaker 1: They do TV, but they don't have iPads, and the
Speaker 1: only thing they know my phones is happy stickers, which
Speaker 1: are emojis that Rosie likes to send to you and
Speaker 1: other friends.
Speaker 3: I know, which is so cute.
Speaker 2: But it was funny when I got a text from you,
Speaker 2: but I was driving, so I made my car talk
Speaker 2: and they were like bat emoji, smile emoji, dance emoji emoji. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a rosy message.
Speaker 3: This is a rosy mess. Gotta shut that shit down. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I thought, for this week's what would Sister Peg Do,
Speaker 1: which is our weekly segment where we point you to
Speaker 1: a website, blog, post, podcasts, episode, documentary, something to give
Speaker 1: you more information about what we talked about today, I
Speaker 1: would point you, guys to this cool website that I
Speaker 1: found called The Porn Conversation. It is a non profit
Speaker 1: organization that provides free and easily accessible tools in English, Spanish,
Speaker 1: French and German for families and educators to talk to
Speaker 1: young people about sex, beginning with the topic of porn literacy.
Speaker 3: It was a nonprofit founded by Erica Lust. Have you
Speaker 3: heard of her?
Speaker 1: She is a porn producer, filmmaker. She's an indie porn filmmaker,
Speaker 1: and she makes like she founded Erica Lust Films, and
Speaker 1: I guess this website is founded also with her husband,
Speaker 1: Pablo Dobner, and they promote sexually intelligent narrative porn.
Speaker 3: So in her on her.
Speaker 1: Website she says porn can be misogynistic, racist, and violin
Speaker 1: and leaves young people of all genders and sexualities with
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding of what sex is and what respectful relationships
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: So the Porn Conversation promotes a sex positive, pleasure based
Speaker 1: and age appropriate dialogue. Literally, there's a PDF per age
Speaker 1: where you can be like, oh, my kid's like eight
Speaker 1: to twelve, or my kids twelve to fifteen or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you can download these and there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: ways you could just talk to kids about like what
Speaker 1: they're seeing on the internet and what you know. But
Speaker 1: this is a she's a Swedish erotic film director, this woman,
Speaker 1: so she's in the business.
Speaker 3: And she's just like, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: I think she wanted to make sure that there's sort
Speaker 1: of like educational conversations that are not shaming porn at all,
Speaker 1: but are talking to kids about it in a educational way.
Speaker 1: So for more info. The website is called the Pconversation
Speaker 1: dot org, so that will be linked as usual in
Speaker 1: our stories the day the episode comes out, and we
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Speaker 3: So fucked up.
Speaker 2: But also, Rosie's backpack looks really cute with her little monogram.
Speaker 1: Dude, that little ll Bean backpack is the backpack everybody
Speaker 1: had when I was a kid, but like the bigger
Speaker 1: one for high school and middle school, and my parents
Speaker 1: got me the wrong one and the monogram was fucked up,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I hate you guys forever.
Speaker 3: So I really wanted to get Rosie the good one.
Speaker 3: So I got her that. Even though I'm sure no
Speaker 3: one gives a shit about Lbean.
Speaker 1: Like now, I was about to say, this is definitely
Speaker 1: your upbringing.
Speaker 3: She kicked it because it's blue.
Speaker 1: She likes it because it's blue, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's cute, it's lbean.
Speaker 2: Next week we're doing Bourne Psychopath. Everybody Borne's psychopath, kind
Speaker 2: of like Kara's daughter Rosie JCA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I called her a psycho so many times over
Speaker 1: these past you and a half weeks. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: watch myself one hundred percent you should. I get being like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You're being psycho? Have you
Speaker 1: not seen wicked? You don't want?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Is it nurture nature and you're nurturing her to become
Speaker 2: a psycho if you keep doing that. Now we have
Speaker 2: season fourteen, Episode nineteen is Born Psychopath.
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