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Speaker 1: dot com and Tony a crazy weekend of college football.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. We will touch as well on

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Speaker 1: how rookies so far are performing in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: We'll do the offensive rookies this week, we'll do the

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Speaker 1: defensive rookies next week, and then by then, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, Tony, we're gonna be almost the end of

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Speaker 1: October here, as we have almost two months of college

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Speaker 1: football in the bank here, so it's moving quickly, my friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the good news is I think we're

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Speaker 2: taping this at eleven o'clock in the morning the Mets

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Speaker 2: be any unintended into interruptions in this podcast like they

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Speaker 2: were last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did have a surprise in the National Football

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Speaker 1: League this morning, though, with Robert Salah getting looked by

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Speaker 1: the Jets. I was unfortunate at that Yankee game last

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Speaker 1: But it should be a fun show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I it's solid. Getting fired is

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Speaker 2: happened a while ago. We can get into that if

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Speaker 2: worst situation was to be a top ranked, top ten

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Speaker 2: into the weekend with the high hopes and you came

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Speaker 2: you now have a loss in your column.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a mess

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Speaker 1: with the college football playoff, Tony, we might not have

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Speaker 1: an undefeated team left in the college football by the

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Speaker 1: We'll see what Ohio State ends up doing. But it's

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Speaker 1: been it's been crazy, and let's start. You didn't have

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Speaker 1: You look at his numbers over three hundred yards high

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Speaker 2: Beat Virginia Tech the first game of the year, and

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Speaker 2: you said, what the heck's going on here? And like

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Speaker 2: you said, I mean Jalen Milroe. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, I mean, the Vanderbilt offense had

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Speaker 2: I mean Jerry Kill the former coach at New Mexico State,

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Speaker 2: No one thought they were gonna beat Alabama. No one

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Speaker 1: Look, Alabama's always got talented players on defense. Another SEC

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean that was a game that I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you stole my fire on score. And it was

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Speaker 1: Wow, Burdens a pretty thick guy, Tony. He's big and stronger.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to another wide receiver when we talk

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Speaker 2: Definitely a draftable player. And Donovan Jackson, the offensive guard

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about one Iowa player, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Their running back Caleb Johnson is super productive, really good

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Speaker 2: Mid to late round guy? You know those Iowa running backs,

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Speaker 1: Now, Ole miss bounces back. They defeat South Carolina, but

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart Diego Pounds, the left tackle from Mississippi. He

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Speaker 2: And he was going up against Kyle Kinnard, the guy

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Speaker 2: Great on Diego pounds right now, keep an eye on him.

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Speaker 2: The one guy from South Carolina stood out with TJ. Sanders,

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Speaker 1: You were all over again, you were all over Jaydon Daniels.

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Speaker 1: threat quarterback and all that stuff, But yeah, he's been

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Speaker 1: just fantastic, and all the teams in the NFC East,

432
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Speaker 1: including the one who's building him right now, is gonna

433
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Speaker 1: have to deal with that guy for a very long

434
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Speaker 1: time again, assuming he says healthy, which hopefully he does.

435
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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams the first overall pick Tony. A lot of

436
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Speaker 1: people are panicking the first couple of weeks with him,

437
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Speaker 1: which you know, people are stupid, but he's really played

438
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Speaker 1: better the last couple of weeks twenty one to thirty two,

439
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighteen yards, two touchdowns in this week's game,

440
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Speaker 1: and you're seeing things start to slow down for him

441
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Speaker 1: at the NFL levels. And by the way, he isn't

442
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Speaker 1: getting great protection either and in front of that Bears

443
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Speaker 1: offensive line, but he's starting to put things together a

444
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Speaker 1: little bit for Chicago.

445
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Speaker 2: Which is ironic because everybody wonder where they're gonna use

446
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Speaker 2: that second pick on an offensive line and left tackle. Yeah,

447
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: and the thing is this, He's just gonna learn to

448
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 2: more and more play from the pocket, see the field

449
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Speaker 2: from the pocket because those off platform throws, those improvisations

450
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: are not going to be as easily accomplished on Sunday

451
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Speaker 2: as they were on Saturday.

452
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Speaker 1: You need them, but use them in spots that can

453
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Speaker 1: only be an occasional weapon for you. It can't be

454
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Speaker 1: your go to thing.

455
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Speaker 2: As he learns and gets more comfortable playing from the pocket,

456
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Speaker 2: more importantly seeing the field and realizing what's happening around him,

457
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Speaker 2: things are going to come more easily for him. I

458
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Speaker 2: mean you can't. And you're right about that. I mean,

459
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Speaker 2: go back to a story where you know this. I mean,

460
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Speaker 2: three weeks into what the twenty eighteen season, everyone was

461
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Speaker 2: saying the Giants made a mistake not take Sam Darnold,

462
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Speaker 2: say Von Barkley. That really didn't work out too well.

463
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Speaker 2: So yeah, a long way to go for both Jayden

464
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Speaker 2: Daniels who looks fantastic and Caleb Williams, who struggled early

465
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Speaker 2: in his rookie career.

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Speaker 1: How about Boonex? What have you seen from him so far?

467
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Speaker 2: The team is winning, everyone is happy. I am not

468
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Speaker 2: overly impressed with Bolnicks. I think that I see the

469
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Speaker 2: same thing from bone Nicks now that I saw coming

470
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Speaker 2: in through the whole process. I'm smart he sees the field,

471
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Speaker 2: but I don't think he's much more than a game manager. Now.

472
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Speaker 2: That being the case, when you have a defense like

473
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Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos defense, and that is a nasty, explosive,

474
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Speaker 2: in your face, game changing defense. You can win with

475
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Speaker 2: a game manager, So I think that he's being helped

476
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Speaker 2: along by how well the defense is playing. But again

477
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Speaker 2: I go back to my concerns about bone Knicks, just

478
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Speaker 2: not the downfield ar of the Jaydon Daniels of the

479
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams more of a game manager, and you know

480
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Speaker 2: they're going to have to develop a system around him

481
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Speaker 2: to play to his strengths.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree. And then the two other top fifteen

483
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Speaker 1: I guess quarterbacks. I guess they're a top ten quarterbacks.

484
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix has not played yet the way kirk Cousins

486
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Speaker 1: played last Thursday night, that might be a little while

487
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Speaker 1: before he takes the field at kirk Cousins five hundred

488
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Speaker 1: yards unbelievable that Thursday night victory. And then of course

489
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Speaker 1: Drake May. There's some clamoring up there, Tony. I think

490
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Speaker 1: people are getting impatient, people are worrying. But I think

491
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Speaker 1: the Patriots are doing the one hundred percent right thing

492
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Speaker 1: by holding him back, and not because Drake May might

493
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Speaker 1: be ready. I'm not there, I'm not watching practice. I

494
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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that question. But if they

495
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Speaker 1: put him behind that offensive line. That poor kid is

496
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Speaker 1: gonna get destroyed and he's not equipped to handle that.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree with you. I mean, I think

498
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Speaker 2: Girodd Mayo has done a good job in a bad

499
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Speaker 2: situation there in New England. They're not a good team.

500
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Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of talent. Why put Drake

501
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Speaker 2: May in there to get get him pummeled. Why put

502
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Speaker 2: him in there and maybe get him injured? Why put

503
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Speaker 2: him in there so he's basically running for his life

504
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Speaker 2: every single down. I mean, they've they don't have a

505
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Speaker 2: good offensive line, and the offensive linemen that are good

506
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: have been injured and some of them are lost for

507
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Speaker 2: the season. I just see, you know, no benefit as

508
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Speaker 2: much as the fans want to see Drake May, and

509
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Speaker 2: Drake May's not gonna turn the season around for the

510
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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. And there's probably at this point in juncture,

511
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Speaker 2: more bad than good that's gonna happen if you start

512
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Speaker 2: Drake May. Now, if they want to feed him into

513
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Speaker 2: the lineup late in the game, absolutely understanding. I think

514
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Speaker 2: that's a good way way to do. But Drake May

515
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Speaker 2: is not going to change the fortunes of the New

516
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Speaker 2: England Patriots behind that offensive line, meet him in a

517
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Speaker 2: little bit at a time, see what happens. I and again,

518
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Speaker 2: I wrote an article about this about two weeks ago

519
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Speaker 2: at SPORTSCU. I agree with what they're doing with him

520
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Speaker 2: up there. By sitting him, you know, the fans are

521
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Speaker 2: gonna be impatient. They're used to winning up there. It's

522
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Speaker 2: the best thing you talk about Atlanta. I mean, the

523
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Speaker 2: way Kirk Cousins play, not just last Thursday, but really

524
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Speaker 2: through the entire season, makes that questionable pick of Michael

525
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Speaker 2: Pennock's seem even all the more questionable. And then JJ

526
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Speaker 2: McCarthy with the season ending, season ending surgeryon well and behold,

527
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Speaker 2: here comes Sam Darnold, the guy that Jets thought they

528
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Speaker 2: were getting back in twenty eighteen or night whatever it was,

529
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Speaker 2: you know, has lost the game this year. It looks

530
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Speaker 2: like one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And

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Speaker 2: I think that has a lot to do with the

532
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Speaker 2: with the coaching he's receiving at Minnesota, because O'Connell's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a heck of a coach, Tony, no doubt

534
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Speaker 1: about it. By I thought the Jets defense actually did

535
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Speaker 1: a really good job against Donald in that game in London.

536
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Speaker 1: I thought they had those wide receivers covered. Weal, he

537
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Speaker 1: did miss a couple throws down in the field. But

538
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Speaker 1: I'll just get on my soapbox as we talk about

539
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Speaker 1: these rookie quarterbacks that are in the league, the guys

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Speaker 1: that are gonna come out next year. That's gonna be

541
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Speaker 1: a lot of our conversations over the next five or

542
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Speaker 1: six months, Tony. People love the quarterbacks. Please be patient. Okay,

543
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Speaker 1: you draft these guys to be your franchise quarterback for

544
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Speaker 1: ten and now Tony fifteen, twenty seasons, depending how young

545
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Speaker 1: these guys are. Quarterbacks are playing into their forties now,

546
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Speaker 1: Please don't give up on a guy after three games.

547
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Speaker 1: It took Baker Mayfield three teams. I'll take that back.

548
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Speaker 1: Was it four teams for him to the three? I

549
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: had all those three to figure this out and become

550
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Speaker 1: a good player. Sam Donold's on team number four to

551
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Speaker 1: become good player. Daniel Jones finally has a protection in

552
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Speaker 1: front of him. He's been really good the last three

553
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Speaker 1: or four weeks. And then I'm missing one guy who's

554
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: the four Gino Smith. It took him to his thirties

555
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: to figure it out. In the National Football League. Now

556
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Speaker 1: he is one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFC.

557
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: So the situation around the quarterback is hugely important and

558
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: making too many early judgments on a position that is

559
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: the most difficult to play in all of sports. Everyone

560
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: needs to slow their role. When they talk about young quarterbacks.

561
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's microway, it's the microwave society.

562
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells, who is a great coach, used to say,

563
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: it takes three years to determine whether a player you

564
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Speaker 2: know is an NFL player from the time you draft him.

565
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Speaker 2: People want to want the answers now in three weeks.

566
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Speaker 2: I don't want to wait three months. In sure as heck,

567
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: don't want to wait three years. They want the answer

568
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Speaker 2: in three weeks. And it's insane at any position, especially

569
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Speaker 2: the quarterback position. And you look, I mean, who's the

570
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Speaker 2: best quarterback in the NFL right now, Patrick Mahomes. What

571
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Speaker 2: did Patrick Mahomes do is his rookie year sat on

572
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: the bench, you know, and he sat and he was

573
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Speaker 2: put there by one of the best quarterback developers, best

574
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Speaker 2: quarterback coaches that we have seen the past twenty five

575
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Speaker 2: plus years. And Andy Reid. So yeah, you've got to

576
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Speaker 2: be patient.

577
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Speaker 1: With Jordan Loves same deal in Green Bay, right Love

578
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Speaker 1: Banaron Rodgers. He's now developed. I mean, if you asked

579
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love Tony to play in his first two years,

580
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Speaker 1: he would have looked awful and people would have been

581
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Speaker 1: bailing on him left and right. He wasn't ready. He

582
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Speaker 1: didn't you know, he didn't have that type of college experience.

583
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Speaker 1: And that's fine. Handle these guys the right way and

584
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Speaker 1: it'll pay you back later.

585
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Speaker 2: And the irony, the whole irony of the JJ McCarthy injury,

586
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: is it could be the best thing for him and

587
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: the franchise because now you know they're winning with Sam Darnold.

588
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's a good situation have and JJ McCarthy

589
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: can just sit there and observe and learn.

590
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look, they can only they can even bring

591
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Speaker 1: Sam back for one more year if they want. We'll

592
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Speaker 1: see how the season goes. But that's something they can

593
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of figure out down the road. All right, let's

594
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Speaker 1: go to running back Tony. We knew this wasn't the

595
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: best running back class. We never running back go until

596
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Speaker 1: late in the second round in last year's draft. And

597
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Speaker 1: I guess they've played the form because no one's been great,

598
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Speaker 1: no one, I believe. I didn't look at Bucky Irvings totals.

599
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Speaker 1: I don't believe anyone has more than two hundred yards

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Speaker 1: rushing through five weeks from this running back group. Who's

601
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Speaker 1: jumped out to you.

602
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Speaker 2: Well, you got to look at Irving's numbers, because he's

603
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Speaker 2: the one guy that's over two hundred dollars more than

604
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: forty seven yards eight receptions. You know, the thing with

605
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving is he was a terrific back at Orgon.

606
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: He was a guy who was creative. He was a

607
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: guy who ran hard on the inside. He was a

608
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: good pest catcher out of the backfield. But he was

609
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Speaker 2: small and he tested horrendously tony.

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Speaker 1: He gets the thing like teams are not going to

611
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Speaker 1: draft a guy high if he's small and slow. You

612
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: could be one of the two. You can't be both.

613
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Speaker 2: And that's what everyone's which is why he felt. But

614
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Speaker 2: when you looked at the tape, I mean I had

615
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Speaker 2: him as one of the better backs. I had him,

616
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Speaker 2: I think as my third back because the tape for

617
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: two years just jumped out at you. But he didn't

618
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Speaker 2: meet those metrics. Goes to Tampa, Bay, you know, is

619
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Speaker 2: being used in a rotational system, which is best for him,

620
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Speaker 2: and he's been incredibly productive. You know, another guy who

621
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Speaker 2: didn't test well and is really having a good year

622
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Speaker 2: is Braylan Allen of the New York Yets. Here's a

623
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Speaker 2: guy who was two hundred and thirty five pounds at

624
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Speaker 2: the combine, didn't run the forty, didn't run the shuttles,

625
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Speaker 2: didn't run the three cone, had a thirty two inch

626
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Speaker 2: had a nine inch broad jump. So he's two hundred

627
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Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds, he doesn't test well, and he's

628
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Speaker 2: coming off a poor season. If you look at Braylan

629
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Speaker 2: Allen at Wisconsin, his freshman season was his best season,

630
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Speaker 2: and then the next two were, you know, very uninspired. Now,

631
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Speaker 2: granted it was a different sort of situation with Luke

632
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Speaker 2: Fickle there his last year at Wisconsin, but the Jets

633
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Speaker 2: take him in the fourth round, which risks some eyebrows,

634
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: and Braylan Allen has been terrific. I mean, and that

635
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: basically rotating with Breece Hall taking carries away from Breecee

636
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: Hall thirty two yards, one hundred and thirty two carries,

637
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty three yards, eight receptions. And the

638
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: thing about Brandon Lean Allen when you watch him, he's

639
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: not just a downhill binder. He's not just somebody who

640
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: runs over defenders. He shows terrific short area of quickness,

641
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: He shows the ability to make defenders miss, shows the

642
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: ability to create yardage. So you know again, Bucky Irvin

643
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: was small and slow. Braylan Allen was a little bit

644
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: too big and didn't work out and looked out of shape.

645
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Speaker 2: But both of these guys that have really found their gear,

646
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: especially Braylan Allen. Bucky Ervin had a couple of years

647
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: of really good takee. Braylan Allen was disappointing but putting

648
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: the good system and he's doing a great job for

649
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: a New York Jets team that you really think didn't

650
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: need another running back. Grease Hall there.

651
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then two of the backs I want to

652
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: touch on Tony One was Carson Steele. He had a

653
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: chance and he was productive, but he has three fumbles.

654
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: And now Kreem Hunt is now the starting running back

655
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and I think Pacheco should be back

656
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. And then Tyrone Tracy

657
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary heard his growing We talked about him a

658
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: lot on last year's draft season shows. Converted running back

659
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: from we converted two running back from wide receiver, had

660
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: some great tackle breaking ability. He had a coming out

661
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: party for the Giants this past weekend against the Seahawks.

662
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Eighteen carries one hundred and twenty nine yards, four runs

663
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: of ten or more yards. Very explosive.

664
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Speaker 2: And the thing about Tyron Tracy is a year ago

665
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: he really wasn't even on the scouting radar. He wasn't

666
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: graded over the summer prior to a senior perdue by scouts.

667
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: Really had a nice season. We saw him at the

668
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: Shrine ball. You know, you thought about Tyrone Tracy as

669
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: a late round pick, which he was, as a situational

670
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: third down type back who maybe could return some punts

671
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: for you. But now the situation has forced Hiron Tracy

672
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: into you know, the main role there, and he's responded

673
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: early on. He's got you know, he's got a solid build,

674
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: he's smart, he's got terrific vision, good foot quickness. So

675
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's see what happens here. I don't know

676
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: that he's going to be a feature ball carrier, but

677
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: you look, it looks like the Giants may have come

678
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: out with a real good number two ball carrier in

679
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: the late rounds. As far as Carson Steel's concerned, Yeah,

680
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: he's gotta really If he keeps fumbling the ball, they're

681
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: gonna cut him. But it's still a great story. He

682
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: goes from what was it the ball state to u

683
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: c l A undrafted. They liked them so much they

684
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: tried to manufacture ways to get him on the field

685
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: and he was productive that whole thing where he missed

686
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: his sister's way because he was starting the game two

687
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: weeks ago. But he's got to hold onto the football regardless.

688
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: It's a good story. He's a talented back. He wasn't

689
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: he played in the MAC. He was good back at UCLA,

690
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: although he was more of a situational back. No reason

691
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Speaker 2: to think he can't have a successful NFL career.

692
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695
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Speaker 1: to the wide receivers. Here Tony and even though he

696
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: did not play this week due to a concussion, the

697
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: league Neighbors, heading into Week five, led the NFL in

698
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: both receptions and targets. We knew he'd be a focus

699
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Speaker 1: of this offense heading into the year. Brian Dable wants

700
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: to get the ball in his hands of his playmakers,

701
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: and everything that he showed on tape in college, he

702
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: has showed at the National Football League level and maybe

703
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: even some more contested catch stuff that we've seen at

704
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: the NFL level that he didn't show in college. So

705
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: just a dynamite start for the six to overall pick

706
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: from last year's draft.

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Speaker 2: You'd be no surprise. I mean, as we say time

708
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: and time again, LSU receivers are good in college and

709
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: they turn out to be better pros. And that's what

710
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: my league Neighbors was. And you know, compare him to

711
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Marmon Harrison. Marvin Harrison was the bigger contested pass guy,

712
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: where Melik Neighbors was more explosive. He was quicker, he

713
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 2: was more prone to the big play, he was better

714
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: running after the catch. It was just a matter of

715
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: what you wanted and how ironic is it As Melik

716
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: Neighbors is tearing it up for the New York Giants.

717
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels' college quarterback the past two years is tearing

718
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: it up for the Washington Commanders. I mean, this is

719
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: an extension of his college career. He has these abilities.

720
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Good for the Giants for showcasing that. Hopefully he gets

721
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: back on the field and is able to stay healthy

722
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: for the rest of the season. But a guy who's

723
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: got special talents and has really shown that ability in

724
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Speaker 2: the early part of the season.

725
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Speaker 1: And Tony their teammate. Brian Thomas tearing it up for

726
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars at an eighty touchdown reception this past week. Again,

727
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: once he gets behind you, you ain't catching him. Twenty two catchers,

728
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety seven yards, three touchdowns for Brian

729
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior. I know, I thought maybe it would take

730
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: him allay while, that he was a little bit raw,

731
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: but the physical skills have jumped out early and he

732
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: has been probably the second best rookie wide receiver out there.

733
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Speaker 2: Well. I mean, I think he did start slow, and

734
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: he's really starting to pick it up and kicking into

735
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: gear like that Jacksonville offenses. I mean, it's it's no

736
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: coincidence that Jacksonville started slow. Thomas start a little bit slow,

737
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: and now they're starting to put lots up on the board.

738
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Speaker 2: They gotta start up, and Thomas is really, uh really

739
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: kicking it into gear. I like Thomas Olllock. I mean

740
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: I thought he was. I thought he was not that

741
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: far behind then the top three receivers from last year's

742
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: drift Marvin Harrison, Elite Neighbors, and Rome with Doonsay. It

743
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: was just that he was overshadowed at LSU by the

744
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: big playability, by the explosiveness of Elik Neighbors. So this

745
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me. He's just got to pick it up

746
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: a notch and really show that he can be that

747
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: man every Sunday in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: You know, compared to Thomas and Neighbors, Roma Doonsay and

749
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison are off to quote this is me doing

750
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: fake quote mark slow starts. But really, Harrison's seventeen for

751
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: two twenty nine four touchdowns. It's pretty good, Oduonsay. Fifteen

752
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: to two h six in a touchdown. Not bad given

753
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: he has two other good receivers on the roster with him.

754
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Speaker 1: So I think those guys, even though they may they

755
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: haven't bulled the doors off. People like Thomas and Neighbors

756
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: have pretty solid starts to their NFL careers too.

757
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: Donzay has been kind of spotty. But let's go back

758
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: to what we said about Caleb Williams. I mean, he

759
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: struggled the first couple of weeks, so it's probably not

760
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: a coincidence that Doonzay is going to struggle the first

761
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, right, same thing with Marvin Harrison. I mean,

762
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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison will be productive when Kyler Murray's productive when

763
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's on his game. Not as good as Elik Neighbors,

764
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: not as good as Brian Thomas. I mean, it's been

765
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: a little bit up and down for either of those.

766
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for both of those receivers, but so has

767
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: their respective offenses. In the respective quarterbacks.

768
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Hasn't been up and down. For Brock Bowers, that guy's

769
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: been fantastical, unreal.

770
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you talk about a guy who's playing

771
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: with four quarterbacks or has four quarterback plays twenty eight

772
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: receptions for three hundred in thirteen yards of five games.

773
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: He's on pace for ninety receptions this year. So you know,

774
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: you could see why the LA Rams wanted to trade

775
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: up to get them. You could see why the Indianapolis

776
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: Colts wanted to trade up and get them. You know,

777
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: you may want to ask at this point in time,

778
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: why get in the New York Jets take them when

779
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: they had the chance to, but brought Bowers like Milik Neighbors.

780
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Speaker 2: You know, his Sunday play is just an extension of

781
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: what we saw on Saturday at Georgia.

782
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Speaker 1: Just a couple guys, I want to mention Lad McConkie

783
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: fifteen one to seventy six, two touchdowns. The Chargers don't

784
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: throw the ball a lot. You look at justin Herbert's numbers,

785
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: You're not going to have a big time wide receiver

786
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: with huge numbers in that offense. Xavier Worth, He's caught

787
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: some deep passes. He hasn't done much more than that

788
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Tony so far. And then I should have mentioned when

789
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: we finished the running backs some of the high act

790
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: you have did running backs. Jonathan Brooks hasn't even come

791
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: off of the injured list. Yeah, Cray Benson barely plays.

792
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: He's almost a third back in Arizona. Jalen Wright despite

793
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: all the injuries in Miami, he hasn't gotten much of

794
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Marshawn Lloyd's been hurt. Ray Davis is stuck

795
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: behind James Cook, Blake Korm stuck behind Kyron Williams, will Shipley,

796
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: stuck behind Saquon Barkley. You know, you just haven't had

797
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities for some of these other guys,

798
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: and the.

799
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Speaker 2: Kid from Notre Dame Audri Stimmtt has done nothing. I mean,

800
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: but that's why, you know, we knew that these guys

801
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: weren't going to be highly drafted, and they didn't. I

802
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: think Allen was the second round pick. Everybody else came

803
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: off the board starting in the third round. And why

804
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: we had said all throughout the process leading up to

805
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four draft, these guys are rotational backs. They

806
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: weren't featuring number one ball carriers, and it's cut coming

807
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: to fruition right as we see.

808
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see Brooks might have a chance to be

809
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: that guy for Carolina when he comes off the injury list.

810
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: They're taking their time with him during the draft.

811
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Speaker 2: There's no reason to rush him on the field with

812
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: that seam.

813
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Correct, everyone's said he'd be ready in week one. But

814
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: again we talked about how well you know Patriots are

815
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: handling Drake May. Good job by the Panthers not trying

816
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: to rush that kid onto the field. Make sure he's

817
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: one hundred percent first and ready to go. All right,

818
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about the big guys up front, the offensive lineman, Tony.

819
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: We got to give these guys some love. Let's start

820
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: to tackle first, and then we'll talk about some of

821
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Speaker 1: the interior guys. All right, it's a really tough position

822
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: to come out of college and play tackle right away.

823
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: You're the level of pass rusher you have to go

824
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: up against is unbelievable. You get why not a little

825
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: bit more, But Joel, jac Latham, Telisifuanga to a little

826
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: bit of a lesser extent, they've come out and they

827
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Speaker 1: and they've started their careers pretty strongly.

828
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Speaker 2: What really impresses me about Latham ifag Is. I mean,

829
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: these were guys who Huaga was a right tackle at

830
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Oregon State. Latham, we didn't know whether he could play

831
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: left tackle in the NFL, and both of these guys

832
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: are really doing a bang up job at the all

833
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Speaker 2: important left tackle position.

834
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Speaker 1: Joel changed positions to know, he went from left tackle

835
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Speaker 1: to right tackle exactly.

836
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Speaker 2: Even throw that in the mix as well, or I

837
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: think the left tack and a good point, but I

838
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: think that Latham's play and Wagga's play at left tackle

839
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: has really really impressed me, because personally, I thought that

840
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: they were going to be right tackles in the NFL.

841
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: As I thought, you know, I thought that Ault would

842
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: be a right tackle. I thought he'd be better off

843
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: at right tackle, and they didn't need him to play

844
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: left tackle out there with the charges and what Despite

845
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: the fact that Malik Neighbors is having a great year,

846
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: despite the fact that Rock Bowers is having a great year,

847
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: I think the Chargers made the right choice passing up

848
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: on those guys and going with Joe Wult because he's proven.

849
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk to people who've seen him in person.

850
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: He's a massive man who's an incredible athlete, who you know,

851
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: has basically locked down that right tackle position. It's going

852
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: to be there for a while. And we know how

853
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 2: important offensive linemen are to Jim Harboy. He basically looks

854
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: at the offensive linement as part of weapons in the offense.

855
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: No question. Now, as I mentioned at the start of this,

856
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: let's have patience with some of these other offensive tackles

857
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: that maybe aren't starting their careers. The best way you

858
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: file Tanu by the Way who got hurt. He's not

859
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: playing right now. Then you have Olufashu who had to

860
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: step in due to the injury to Morgan Moses. He

861
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: has had some issues early in his career, but again

862
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: in a very tough position to play. Marius Mims has

863
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: had more injury issues with the Bengals at right tackle,

864
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: so we'll keep an eye on him. Tyler Geidon, poor

865
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: kid at to play his first NFL game against Miles

866
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: Garrett left tackle. Good luck man, that guy. You know,

867
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Miles Garret kills everybody. And then King Lisuamataiya, who we

868
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: talked about. A lot of physical ability Tony, but a project.

869
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: He had a slow start to his career and he's

870
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: been pulled as a starting left tackle for the Chiefs.

871
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: A project and a guy that's a bit immature, which

872
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: you can't be. And he had every opportunity. I mean,

873
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: I was jumping for joy when I saw that they

874
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: were gonna give him a chance and even start him

875
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: at left tackle, because I love his ability. Now, but

876
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: as we talked about, there's a bit of a maturity.

877
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: As far as for Shana is concerned. His struggles really

878
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: don't surprise me because it's the opposite of Fuega. It's

879
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: the opposite of Latham. The thing with with Fshana is

880
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: he's a terrific pass blocking left tackle, great footwork, athleticism, mobility,

881
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: the run blocking strength was always an issue. Now you

882
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: push him over to right tackle and you know it's

883
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: been up and down for him. Doesn't surprise me. And

884
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a different than you can talk

885
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: about Joe Walt. But I thought Joe Walt wasn't natural

886
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: right tackle. I never imagined for Shana as being a

887
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: right tackle. So, you know, until he gets back to

888
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: his natural left tackle spots, I'm not gonna I'm not

889
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: gonna rag on my guy.

890
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. All right, let's talk about some of

891
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: the interior guys here, Tony Uh for the Steelers, Zach

892
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Frasier and Mason McCormick, they've teamed up. They've done a

893
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: really good job. A McCormick at guard, Fraser at center,

894
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: and then Cooper Beebe has been the Cowboys starting center.

895
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Guy didn't take a snap at center in college, goes

896
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: in there, starts at center. You don't have any three

897
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds centers in the National Football League.

898
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: These days Tony, but he's done a really nice job

899
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: for them inside. And then Dominic Pooney who slid in

900
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: starting right guard for the forty nine Ors. He was

901
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: a tackle of Kansas. He's done a really nice job.

902
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: So those are some of the interior guys that I

903
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: really think have really stood out well.

904
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: I think it starts an end with Zach Fraser. I mean,

905
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: Zach Fraser has played on a level that's almost eleaged.

906
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean he stepped right in there, he took over

907
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: that spot, and he's drawing praise from everybody. I mean,

908
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: there are people think that he's going to be the

909
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: next great center for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they have

910
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: had a litany of great players at that position. And

911
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Zach Fraser of the late second round pick, I mean,

912
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: he is turning into one of the better picks of

913
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: the draft in the earth when you look at the

914
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: early part of the season. That that's how good Fraser

915
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: has been bbe. I mean there were concerns of him

916
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: with the short arms. You got to like the transition

917
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: to tackle. I think Graham Barton has also done a

918
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: solid job that's a good one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

919
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Goyton struggles. Really, I don't want to say that.

920
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: They really don't surprise me because Tyler Goeyton, as we

921
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: saw at Oklahoma, he was up and down, up and down,

922
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: lost his starting job. Was he left tackle? Was he

923
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: a right tackle? He was phenomenal when we saw him

924
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: at the senior ball, which I think really restored his

925
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: draft stock and really pushed him or solidified him as

926
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: a first round pick. But he's the guy who you know,

927
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: we talk about Will Campbell, the up and down, the

928
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't always play with the fire. You know,

929
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: that's Tyler Goetton. Great potential. I mean, he's at the

930
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: potential to be that left tackle at that spot for

931
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: years to come. But he's got to apply himself every down. Yeah.

932
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: Look, he was a little raw too, like his his

933
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: his hand placement and things like that. There was a

934
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that he had to work on and

935
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: starting left tackle day one and the Cowboys are three

936
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: and two, just just to beat the Steelers in a

937
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: really tough game on Sunday night football. So, Tony, it's

938
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: been fun watching this. I don't know ten of Bordolini.

939
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: By the way, he's gotten some playing time inside and

940
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I think he's actually had a pretty good start. He

941
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: was that very mobile center and he was fun to

942
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: watch it working at the combine. We saw him at

943
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl too, I believe Tony and he was here.

944
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: He was a fun player to watch during the draft process.

945
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: I think he's played pretty well. Any other rookies that

946
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: you want to kind of shout out here before we

947
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: say goodbye?

948
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: Bo Limmer as a Day three pick is moving into

949
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: starting lineup, Laden Robinson day two pick has moved into

950
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: the starting life. And listen, you know, we knew going

951
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty four draft it was going to

952
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: be offensive line heavy, and we're reaping those rewards, if

953
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: you will, because not only the guys at the top

954
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: end of the draft, but the Day three guys and

955
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the Day two guys are really performing

956
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: well as starters in their rookie year.

957
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned Brandon Coleman earlier in the show.

958
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: They've been trying to slide him at a uugh tackle for

959
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: the Commanders and he's done a pretty passable job out

960
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: there too. So yeah, I mean, look, it's been fun

961
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: watching this draft class work, and of course we'll continue

962
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: to track these guys. Next week we'll do defense, and

963
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: of course we will keep an eye on college football

964
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: as we can continue to track the twenty twenty five

965
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: draft class as well. Tony anything coming up on sports

966
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: KITA FANCT have their eyes keep an eye on A four.

967
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have that article on Kelvin Banks, which there's

968
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: a lot of information in there. Kelvin Banks lovers still

969
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: a good player, still the first round pack, but if

970
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: teams are basically projecting him as a guard, it's gonna

971
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: hurt his draft stock. Have an article later this week

972
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: as well on the defensive rookies and how they have

973
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: done during the first month of the season.

974
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: All I can't wait to see it for Tony polling

975
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: on John Schwell. Thanks for joining us to another episode

976
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: of Draft Season, brought to you by Moody's proud partner

977
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Speaker 1: of the.

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00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: New York Giants.

979
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody,