1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

2
00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,440
Speaker 2: People, Citizens of the World. What's Up quest Love? Welcome

3
00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,439
Speaker 2: to a special Friday q LS Live. I guess we're

4
00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,159
Speaker 2: doing it in tandem. This will also be archived on

5
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:26,640
Speaker 2: our iHeart podcast our special with Spike Lee Today. We

6
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,680
Speaker 2: we haven't done this in a minute. We haven't done

7
00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,639
Speaker 2: this in the last two weeks.

8
00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,360
Speaker 3: Long. Yeah, a lot.

9
00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,960
Speaker 4: When you when you let wait two months, it's been

10
00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,239
Speaker 4: that long? Its like it?

11
00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, I you know tom this I used to

12
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,080
Speaker 2: laugh at.

13
00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:48,480
Speaker 5: Uh.

14
00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 2: There's there's always two quotes that come from movies that

15
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,040
Speaker 2: deal with jail Street jail Uh you know the one,

16
00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,520
Speaker 2: the one cliches like you know, they take your body,

17
00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 2: but not take your mind. Your mind, that's what you

18
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,360
Speaker 2: always hear. And number two is there's always two days.

19
00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,960
Speaker 6: Only two days you come in and the day you

20
00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,120
Speaker 6: walk out, the day you walk out.

21
00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,959
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just lose track of time. You said,

22
00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,520
Speaker 4: that's kind of.

23
00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,520
Speaker 5: True, Like you, I said, what movie is that.

24
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,959
Speaker 4: Every day you walk in? That's from what I heard.

25
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 6: I know it from the wire the you only do

26
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200
Speaker 6: two days, the day you come in and the day

27
00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 6: you walk.

28
00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,119
Speaker 4: Out the wire.

29
00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that was our friend David Chappelle called us, Oh,

30
00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,360
Speaker 2: speaking of.

31
00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,399
Speaker 3: The last two weeks eight four to six.

32
00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot a lot has that. Well,

33
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,800
Speaker 2: we have not spoken since. Uh the what are we calling?

34
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,200
Speaker 2: Are we calling the uprising?

35
00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,880
Speaker 3: I like the uprising?

36
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,240
Speaker 6: The uprising. I like uprising. I like that better than

37
00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,960
Speaker 6: riot because, you know.

38
00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,120
Speaker 3: Protests, it's just something more progressive about it.

39
00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and more act it, you know what I'm saying.

40
00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,640
Speaker 6: I mean, because just because riot sounds like or protests,

41
00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,800
Speaker 6: riot sounds like, it's just it sounds reckless, you know

42
00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,760
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like these people are just out here

43
00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,760
Speaker 6: rioting and being stupid for no reason whatsoever, you know

44
00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,200
Speaker 6: what I mean?

45
00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,280
Speaker 4: So I like uprising.

46
00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,959
Speaker 6: It's people that right, nobody wants to be what Donald

47
00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,320
Speaker 6: all right? Well yeah I didn't even I don't watch him,

48
00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:23,919
Speaker 6: but I got you.

49
00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I was literally like, who's that? Yeah?

50
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,000
Speaker 7: So are we going to do another episode on election

51
00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,680
Speaker 7: night like we did it four years ago?

52
00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,040
Speaker 6: Looking at the results we got from election night, I'd

53
00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 6: say hopefully not, because.

54
00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,160
Speaker 7: Like, do we do we you know, do we go

55
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,200
Speaker 7: through that again or do we try and break the

56
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,640
Speaker 7: chinks by not doing a show that night.

57
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,440
Speaker 4: Oh god, why trying to.

58
00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400
Speaker 8: Break the I think it was Russia and the white ladies.

59
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,600
Speaker 8: They're voted for Trump. But that's that's with us.

60
00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, who is our guest that night? I forgot Stephen Hill.

61
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,799
Speaker 4: That was Steve Hill.

62
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,919
Speaker 6: It was also the same night my uncle got shot

63
00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,400
Speaker 6: and subsequently died like a couple of weeks later.

64
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:15,680
Speaker 4: He got shot that night.

65
00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,359
Speaker 6: It was like that was like the eighth I want

66
00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,399
Speaker 6: to say, and then he died on Thanksgiving Day.

67
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,560
Speaker 4: Ship that was it was just that was just a

68
00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,000
Speaker 4: fun up day.

69
00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,240
Speaker 2: And I remember it was like with with up Front,

70
00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,440
Speaker 2: with with up selling out right, that was the weirdness

71
00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040
Speaker 2: about it. It's like the life and the funniest day

72
00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,400
Speaker 2: about life, like upselling. What do you call it when

73
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,160
Speaker 2: you talk of the music on the radio?

74
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,440
Speaker 4: The back cell?

75
00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I forgot.

76
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,120
Speaker 6: I remember doing that interview when we were all sitting

77
00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,160
Speaker 6: there and everybody had like their laptops or their phones

78
00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,000
Speaker 6: or whatever, and we're all trying to keep it cool,

79
00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,600
Speaker 6: and you just see the ship flipping red results red, like.

80
00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And by the end of the interview it was crazy.

81
00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,840
Speaker 6: Literally in a three hour interview, the world changed because

82
00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,920
Speaker 6: that in the beginning, we were all like word up inside.

83
00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 4: And then by the end of that ship and by

84
00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,880
Speaker 4: the end it was a wrap. It was a rep.

85
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,159
Speaker 3: That's not happening this time, y'all, that's not happening.

86
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,920
Speaker 7: We should we should re reair that episode with Stephen Hill.

87
00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 3: Well longer did that. At the time, Stephen Hill was

88
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,799
Speaker 3: the hell of b T and at.

89
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880
Speaker 6: That time, and then that's right after that, Oh wow,

90
00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,400
Speaker 6: A lot, a lot has happened on that show, DJ

91
00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:40,680
Speaker 6: and a.

92
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,599
Speaker 3: Hell of a set on I G live.

93
00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,359
Speaker 4: Hey Stephen, I be there, Yeah, Stephen, He DJ is on.

94
00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:47,840
Speaker 4: He does.

95
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,039
Speaker 2: It's a little it's about eleven people watching. But you

96
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,160
Speaker 2: know me and old boy uh news, Uh dude from

97
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,080
Speaker 2: TV one.

98
00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,120
Speaker 3: Uh listen, it's all a battles.

99
00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,839
Speaker 6: Roling Martin Yeah, Roland Martin yeah. Oh yeah, I ain't

100
00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 6: going to that ship. Rolland Lord and blocked me for

101
00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,960
Speaker 6: calling him a nigga on Twitter.

102
00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,920
Speaker 4: So I don't don't know your what notable people will

103
00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,640
Speaker 4: blocked you Twitter.

104
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,719
Speaker 6: The only one I know of I know. I remember

105
00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,240
Speaker 6: rollingd Martin did and this was years ago because he

106
00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,160
Speaker 6: was like, we deserve he just I don't have a list,

107
00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,760
Speaker 6: like I just say things and people listen.

108
00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,200
Speaker 4: I don't.

109
00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,200
Speaker 6: I don't try to, you know, provoke anyone. But no,

110
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,120
Speaker 6: he was just on Twitter. And this was years ago,

111
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,279
Speaker 6: this was before I found Christ. But he was just like, look,

112
00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,960
Speaker 6: we need to ban the N word and all this.

113
00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,440
Speaker 6: And I was like, nigga please, and that was it.

114
00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,240
Speaker 6: And and and he just you know, he he banned me.

115
00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,560
Speaker 6: And he still banned me and still has blocked me,

116
00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,880
Speaker 6: which I mean, fine, whatever, But then.

117
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 4: Mc Hammer has me blocked. I don't know why. And

118
00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,920
Speaker 4: that was like.

119
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,320
Speaker 6: Like Hammer, like yo, Hammer, if you see this Hammer, bro,

120
00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,880
Speaker 6: I don't know what I said. It could have been

121
00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,280
Speaker 6: a joke order, but look, man, I saw the too

122
00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,160
Speaker 6: legit to quit tour. Please haven't heard him tour?

123
00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:01,880
Speaker 9: Uh?

124
00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,120
Speaker 6: When I was in like seventh grade, it was you

125
00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,760
Speaker 6: boys and men and Josy. That shit changed my life.

126
00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,839
Speaker 6: Like Hammer, please all the forgiven, bro, Like, come on

127
00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,400
Speaker 6: the show, man, let's please please us.

128
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,160
Speaker 4: Don't hurt him, right, please hurt it.

129
00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,800
Speaker 8: I would love to have y'all come to Jesus moment

130
00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,000
Speaker 8: on this show, much like we had your Solange come

131
00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,359
Speaker 8: to Jesus moment on the show.

132
00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you even think that Hammer was even remotely

133
00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,919
Speaker 2: aware of who he blocked or what the situation was.

134
00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,120
Speaker 6: He probably had no fun. I'm sure he doesn't have

135
00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,720
Speaker 6: any clue. I mean it could have I don't know

136
00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,040
Speaker 6: what it could have been. It could have been a joke,

137
00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 6: it could have been whatever. But the bottom line is

138
00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,360
Speaker 6: I was following him c Hammer like, I mean, I

139
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,279
Speaker 6: you know, I fucked with.

140
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,760
Speaker 4: Him Hammer legend. But so if we get him on

141
00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,480
Speaker 4: the show, we straighten it out. Maybe it's usually get

142
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,839
Speaker 4: him on the show. I don't even know why.

143
00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,080
Speaker 7: Okay, I would like to get Hammer the other guy

144
00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 7: on too, please from from even Roland Martin, Roland Martin.

145
00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get him on.

146
00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's time.

147
00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,919
Speaker 6: I mean we can't because he don't listen. I'm not

148
00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920
Speaker 6: I'm not ducking no smoke for nobody. I just don't

149
00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,120
Speaker 6: think because he's very he has very specific views about

150
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560
Speaker 6: about the N word and like coon and stuff and I.

151
00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,240
Speaker 4: Don't use that word, but yeah, he's like very big

152
00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 4: on those words.

153
00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,320
Speaker 6: And that is yes, I use like nigga is noun adjective, verb,

154
00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,120
Speaker 6: ain't ad verb.

155
00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,560
Speaker 4: So listen, stand near you're doing.

156
00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like, come on, bro, you ain't about to

157
00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320
Speaker 6: tell me what I can't say on the show we're doing.

158
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,520
Speaker 7: So, Hey, yeah, if we could work in with Spike

159
00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,120
Speaker 7: about the way Bamboozle kind of is relevant to I

160
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,560
Speaker 7: mean a lot of ways, but especially to what's going

161
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,120
Speaker 7: on like literally today like Cream of Wheat is changing

162
00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,000
Speaker 7: their logo.

163
00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:55,160
Speaker 10: And Temima and the Washington Red Finally, yeah, I was

164
00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480
Speaker 10: about to say, are the Redskins considering as well?

165
00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:57,720
Speaker 6: Yeah?

166
00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody is considering it now, you know, like so,

167
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,440
Speaker 7: but bamboozo was kind of like specifically about that symbolism stuff.

168
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,200
Speaker 4: That was a good pool. I didn't I didn't think

169
00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,960
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, I know that.

170
00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,000
Speaker 2: Uh that Netflix did their whole Black Lives Matter section

171
00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,360
Speaker 2: for Spike reason, you know, like get on the bus

172
00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,400
Speaker 2: and Rodney King thing and some of the stuff he

173
00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 2: did Jango.

174
00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,600
Speaker 4: Uh Jengo was done by.

175
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,160
Speaker 5: I.

176
00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,720
Speaker 8: You know that That's what I was making. I was

177
00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640
Speaker 8: just saying black lead because the Netflix section is no, no, no.

178
00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,240
Speaker 2: I just been like, Spike has his own wing in

179
00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,120
Speaker 2: the he has his own suite in the Black Lives

180
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,320
Speaker 2: Matter hotel on Netflix.

181
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,200
Speaker 8: Netflix is going above and beyond. You know, the President

182
00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,120
Speaker 8: just gave all this money to HBCUs. But most notably

183
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,640
Speaker 8: the riches of HBC used more houses film and I'm

184
00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 8: not mad.

185
00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,720
Speaker 4: I'm just right right.

186
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, wait a minute before we get Spike on,

187
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,840
Speaker 2: I need somebody to translate something for me, cause I

188
00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,880
Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't want to be tone deaf

189
00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,280
Speaker 2: and say I don't speak millennial. And on top of that,

190
00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, I'm pals with this particular person.

191
00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,920
Speaker 4: Okay, can someone I'm gen x.

192
00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:25,079
Speaker 5: X.

193
00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,160
Speaker 4: He's gen X man, look it up.

194
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not going I'm just gonna look it up.

195
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,080
Speaker 3: Go ahead, look it up.

196
00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,679
Speaker 6: I was born I was born in seventy eight. I'm

197
00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,720
Speaker 6: forty one years old. I'm like, he's gen X.

198
00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,040
Speaker 4: He's US. I'm like, yeah, I'm like the youngest in

199
00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,360
Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm like right there.

200
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,960
Speaker 2: But can someone translate this? Can you give me a

201
00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,480
Speaker 2: movie in the minute version of this? J Cole no

202
00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,000
Speaker 2: name thing?

203
00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,080
Speaker 3: What's that about?

204
00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:48,319
Speaker 5: Yeah?

205
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,800
Speaker 6: I talked, come on, never mind too much? No, no, no, no,

206
00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,120
Speaker 6: it's not too much. It's okay, So moving in a minute.

207
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,960
Speaker 6: J Cole, no name, Okay, no name, and I'm just

208
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 6: giving context. No name did a talk which I did

209
00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 6: not see. I just saw kind of the out the

210
00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,400
Speaker 6: out you know, the fallout of it. She did a

211
00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,960
Speaker 6: talk with Boots Riley on Live I think, and they

212
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,800
Speaker 6: were just talking about I guess socialism and police abolition,

213
00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,800
Speaker 6: like they were just having a conversation. I didn't see

214
00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 6: the entire thing in context, but the fallout. The what

215
00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,480
Speaker 6: I saw from the fallout was that, oh he was

216
00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,920
Speaker 6: over talking her and he was it just it went

217
00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 6: left right.

218
00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,320
Speaker 4: Then J Cole puts out.

219
00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,800
Speaker 6: A song and he's saying, yo, it was this sister

220
00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080
Speaker 6: on her timeline. She don't like the crackers, she don't

221
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,240
Speaker 6: like the police, she don't like this, and you know,

222
00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,360
Speaker 6: it was something about her tone that's bothering me.

223
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,280
Speaker 4: Now.

224
00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,280
Speaker 6: At no point in this song did he ever say

225
00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 6: no name. At no point in no names tweets or

226
00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,960
Speaker 6: in her talk with Boots Riley. As I understood, she

227
00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,199
Speaker 6: had said something about, you know, with all these rappers,

228
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,920
Speaker 6: these rich rappers or something, you know, they they ain't

229
00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,439
Speaker 6: said nothing. But she never said his name or anyone's name.

230
00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,360
Speaker 6: So Cole puts out this song saying it's this girl

231
00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,480
Speaker 6: online saying this that, and the third out like her tone.

232
00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,520
Speaker 6: I saw another site put up and they were saying yo,

233
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,640
Speaker 6: J Cole is saying it's talking about No Name in

234
00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 6: his new verse. Now, at no point in time in

235
00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,320
Speaker 6: any of this that he ever say her name in

236
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,040
Speaker 6: the verse, and to my knowledge, at no point did

237
00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,920
Speaker 6: she ever say his name. So, as far as I'm sitting,

238
00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,280
Speaker 6: all this shit is just fucking conjecture to start right,

239
00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 6: it's just y'all niggas. It's all fucking speculation. So the

240
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,320
Speaker 6: song comes out, people say it's to meet about No Name.

241
00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,199
Speaker 6: Everybody lose this shit. Oh, he's policing a woman he's

242
00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,480
Speaker 6: watched talk about her, tone, police and all this shit,

243
00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,480
Speaker 6: and it just becomes a shit show.

244
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,440
Speaker 4: So then the next morning, Cole put out.

245
00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,200
Speaker 6: A series of tweets and he was just like, look,

246
00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,319
Speaker 6: I said what I said.

247
00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,440
Speaker 4: You know, all love the No Name.

248
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:03,200
Speaker 5: You know.

249
00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,080
Speaker 6: He you know, he was like, you know, she's doing

250
00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,920
Speaker 6: the work. I'm not a dude to be reading like that.

251
00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,120
Speaker 6: And these are his words.

252
00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:09,760
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't be.

253
00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,439
Speaker 3: Reading like that.

254
00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,560
Speaker 4: He's like, he's like, you know, red J Cole.

255
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,880
Speaker 6: But he says in his verse, he's like, Yo, don't

256
00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 6: let my degree fool you.

257
00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,199
Speaker 4: You know you can have you.

258
00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,400
Speaker 6: Know, just because I went to college doesn't mean i'm

259
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,679
Speaker 6: as up on these issues as everyone else. So so

260
00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,840
Speaker 6: that was so that was that, and I mean that

261
00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:31,600
Speaker 6: was it to me.

262
00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just a ship show for day and

263
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:34,920
Speaker 4: I mean.

264
00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,559
Speaker 2: I came in the middle of it, and didn't you

265
00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,559
Speaker 2: know was Donald Glover walking to the apartment on fire?

266
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,080
Speaker 6: Like exactly, that's exactly. I was like, what in the

267
00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,319
Speaker 6: hell exactly?

268
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,319
Speaker 8: Can I just say one month thing before we bring

269
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,320
Speaker 8: the spike in because he's here. I just wanted to

270
00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,960
Speaker 8: say congratulations to old girl who created you about to

271
00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,960
Speaker 8: lose your job because I don't know if y'all heard,

272
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,560
Speaker 8: but she found her family and they got her off

273
00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,000
Speaker 8: the streets.

274
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,640
Speaker 3: I was just really excited that story.

275
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,760
Speaker 4: Are you serious?

276
00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:04,520
Speaker 5: Ship?

277
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,920
Speaker 3: And she was like, y'all have no idea what that

278
00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:07,440
Speaker 3: did for me.

279
00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,959
Speaker 8: So I wish I had her name in front of me,

280
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,160
Speaker 8: but I don't, But I.

281
00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,560
Speaker 6: I had no you know, I will say this just

282
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 6: to tap off big Upsta the girl that that with

283
00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,320
Speaker 6: that coin that you were about to lose or lose

284
00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,360
Speaker 6: your job anthem. The best tweet of the j Cole

285
00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,319
Speaker 6: No Name debacle goes to my man al Shipley and

286
00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,840
Speaker 6: he won Twitter. It's only like eight of us that

287
00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,960
Speaker 6: like got it, but it was a great tweet. He goes,

288
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,199
Speaker 6: and I quote the j cole lyric is something about

289
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,360
Speaker 6: the Queen tone that's bothering me. It's problematic because nobody

290
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,360
Speaker 6: questions Brian May's pedal board and amp settings.

291
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,120
Speaker 4: And I'm bringing in bigger like that's it. I mean,

292
00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,960
Speaker 4: come on, that's all you need to know. Like, that's

293
00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:55,520
Speaker 4: that's it.

294
00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,319
Speaker 5: That's what it is, and.

295
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,080
Speaker 3: Figure out that joke because that was a total like

296
00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,880
Speaker 3: musical type.

297
00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:00,559
Speaker 5: Uh.

298
00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,400
Speaker 4: It was that it was made for me and all

299
00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,480
Speaker 4: the people, all the people. Brian May was the.

300
00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,840
Speaker 6: Guitarist in Queen and so the pedal board is the UH.

301
00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,960
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, We are joined by friends of the show,

302
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,000
Speaker 2: newly bestowed Academy Award winner storyteller Our Tour African American

303
00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,200
Speaker 2: Griot and always the UH.

304
00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,640
Speaker 4: A cinematic provocateur.

305
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,800
Speaker 2: UH, one of the last original storytellers we have today.

306
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,120
Speaker 2: Please welcome back to q LS Live and quest Love

307
00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,200
Speaker 2: Supreme UH for his second appearance, our pale and friend,

308
00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,680
Speaker 2: mister Spike Lee.

309
00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,400
Speaker 4: How are you house?

310
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,040
Speaker 5: Everyone doing? Everybody's safe?

311
00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,360
Speaker 4: Were good? Brother? Were good? You up? Are you right now?

312
00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,880
Speaker 5: Now? This is my office hearing the People's Republic of Brookly,

313
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,320
Speaker 5: New York for Green Baby.

314
00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sames Fall. I visited with the baseball Mint in

315
00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:57,520
Speaker 4: the in the.

316
00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,080
Speaker 11: Room, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but just one of the

317
00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,200
Speaker 11: editing rooms.

318
00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,440
Speaker 4: I took a nap in everyone once I forgot what

319
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,120
Speaker 4: I was there for. You you had a super Bowl

320
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,080
Speaker 4: party or something, and I.

321
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,600
Speaker 5: Faid, where's everybody.

322
00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm at home in North Carolina.

323
00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,480
Speaker 6: Raley, I'm in Los Angeles, LA.

324
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,840
Speaker 7: I'm in Manhattan.

325
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:19,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

326
00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:25,320
Speaker 2: And I'm in a ranch somewhere in Westchester on a

327
00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,000
Speaker 2: friends farm. But I just closed him on my house yesterday.

328
00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,600
Speaker 2: So yes, I'll be thank you.

329
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,360
Speaker 5: What can I ask for?

330
00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:36,840
Speaker 3: Burrow?

331
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:37,800
Speaker 5: Uh?

332
00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:44,520
Speaker 2: This is in Palisades, so yeah, I have to say, Spike,

333
00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,040
Speaker 2: I believe that the last time I physically saw you,

334
00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,400
Speaker 2: I saw you twice, you were flying on your way.

335
00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:59,000
Speaker 2: I believe, just somewhere in Africa or somewhere overseas where

336
00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,320
Speaker 2: you told me that it was the first day of

337
00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,480
Speaker 2: scouting wherever.

338
00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,080
Speaker 4: I don't know where you shot the.

339
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,520
Speaker 5: Film, but I was going to I was going to Thieland.

340
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,360
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I thought Africa. Okay, I remember you telling

341
00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,840
Speaker 2: me that you were going somewhere far off to shoot, yeah, yeah,

342
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,680
Speaker 2: I saw you there.

343
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,320
Speaker 5: And then at jay Z's party.

344
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,240
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I saw you in the airport.

345
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,320
Speaker 2: Well, I forget where it was, but it was you

346
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,520
Speaker 2: were on your way to scout for locations. And then

347
00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,320
Speaker 2: I saw you on the way back home, oh, coming

348
00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,080
Speaker 2: from it.

349
00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,080
Speaker 5: So that's a police circle exactly.

350
00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680
Speaker 2: You gave me a synopsis on the way home, and

351
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm trying to figure that out and

352
00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,640
Speaker 2: quest people still trying to figure it out.

353
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Okay. Look, okay,

354
00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,680
Speaker 4: So I got a question for you.

355
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 6: What was the idea of naming all the soldiers after

356
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,120
Speaker 6: the Temptations and Norman Whitfield like being stormy Norman?

357
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,800
Speaker 4: You got that one.

358
00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,679
Speaker 3: I didn't catch that.

359
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 4: I didn't catch that.

360
00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 5: Look like, wait, what happened to five? And when a

361
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 5: good thing though? A great happy? The other day, Otis

362
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,280
Speaker 5: Lee was called me, wow, okay, the last living member

363
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,200
Speaker 5: of the Temptations, and he says, he told me, I'm

364
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,919
Speaker 5: speaking behalf of all my brothers aren't here. Thank you

365
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,240
Speaker 5: for doing that.

366
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,080
Speaker 4: That's what's up, man.

367
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,160
Speaker 5: It was out of nowhere, so out of nowhere.

368
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 2: One one question I wanted to ask you the last

369
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 2: time we spoke that I didn't what is for this

370
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,359
Speaker 2: movie specifically? And I think the last time we spoke

371
00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,400
Speaker 2: to you, you were just about to launch. Uh, she's

372
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,360
Speaker 2: got to have it on Netflix. So this is even

373
00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,000
Speaker 2: before Black Clansmen, even though you were still working on it. Okay,

374
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,000
Speaker 2: So I guess I can start with now, like now

375
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,080
Speaker 2: that this is in the can, what what is what

376
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,400
Speaker 2: is your what is your daily or weekly process when

377
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 2: it comes to conceptualizing.

378
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,920
Speaker 4: What do you want to add next to your cannon?

379
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,920
Speaker 2: Like I don't know the name of whatever movie you're

380
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,480
Speaker 2: about to do, but like, does the idea of start

381
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,160
Speaker 2: in that room that you're in right now?

382
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,679
Speaker 4: Do you sit for silence? Do you do you have

383
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,120
Speaker 4: a a notepad where you.

384
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,160
Speaker 5: I'm open, you know, I think that I've learned. I'm

385
00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 5: qus I think you might forgot. I'm sixty three years old.

386
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,440
Speaker 5: I'm I'm in my fourth decade.

387
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,239
Speaker 11: So I've learned that I gotta be open when the

388
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 11: news comes.

389
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,200
Speaker 5: I just can't like now I'm gonna now, I gotta

390
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,399
Speaker 5: think of an ideal. It doesn't for me, mhm, it

391
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,200
Speaker 5: doesn't work like that. So I just gotta be open

392
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,399
Speaker 5: to the muse. I trusted, you know, I trust the muse.

393
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,679
Speaker 4: So where did it start for this film? Like? What

394
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 4: was the he was we.

395
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 8: Were interviewing him when we interviewed you an Electric Lady,

396
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 8: you were telling us singing the Praises about nineteen seventeen, right.

397
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:14,880
Speaker 3: That was the movie?

398
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 5: Is a movie?

399
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 3: That was the war movie?

400
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 4: That was a war movie.

401
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, So that's the question.

402
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 8: Just being back on the mirrors question, I was like,

403
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 8: didn't it start all the way back then when you

404
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 8: were talking.

405
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 5: To No No, But let me let me tell you

406
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 5: the story this is. I did not write the original

407
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,679
Speaker 5: script for this. The original script was written by Danny

408
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 5: Bilson and Paul the Male. Paul the Mail has since died.

409
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 5: Since he died before we started to shoot the film

410
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 5: of an Illness, they produced the Lloyd Levin option. The script.

411
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,400
Speaker 5: It was called The Last Tour and it was about

412
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 5: white Vietnam vets except one. They automatically brought it to

413
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 5: Alvar Stone Alice Don't sat on it for two years

414
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 5: and walked away. Lloyd Levin just happened to read the

415
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 5: article in the Guardian where I talked about one of.

416
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 12: My favorite films, which is a Treasure Sarah Madre starring

417
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 12: Humphrey Bogart h and the tape There's a Gold that

418
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 12: the whole gold in this.

419
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 5: Film was came directly from the trust Sarah Madre. He

420
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 5: called me up, said set you know, step a meeting.

421
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 5: We get we're getting ready to go right into Black Klansmen.

422
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 5: So we met with my co writer Kevin Wilmont, and

423
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 5: we told I told, look, I like it. It's a

424
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 5: great script. I want to change for me to be involved,

425
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 5: we have to change the viewpoint. This has to be

426
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 5: told to the viewpoint of African American Vietnam debts.

427
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 12: And Kevin and I we wrote it, you know, twisted it,

428
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 12: put some funk on it.

429
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 5: And Marvin Gaye, you know everybody and the world of

430
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 5: Senior result now on Netflix.

431
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

432
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 6: I love the way you use the barbing gay A

433
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 6: cappellas in the joint.

434
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 5: Man was only there was only one? No, there was

435
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 5: only one?

436
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was beautiful. Man.

437
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: And you said you filmed this in Thailand, not Vietnam.

438
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 5: Right, No, mostly in Thailand, and we ended in Vietnam.

439
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: So can you talk about this?

440
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 8: I was talking to another filmmaker about filming in Vietnam,

441
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 8: and they were talking about since it's a communist country,

442
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 8: how sometimes challenging it could be, like sometimes they have

443
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 8: people following people to make sure you're doing what you

444
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 8: say you're gonna do.

445
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 3: And what was that?

446
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 5: No, we never had that, but we had to have

447
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 5: the script passed through it as censor, so we didn't know.

448
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 11: And we were up.

449
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 5: There last week in Thailand and we still not gotten

450
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 5: the green light to shoot in Vietnam. But once we

451
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 5: got the green light, no one's following us. It was

452
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: all love. And it's also number one in Vietnam too.

453
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Netflix, do you prefer Is this an adjustment to you? Like,

454
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: I know, I would imagine the same way for it

455
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: is for me making records, Like I miss the sort

456
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: of the romantic view of like having a tangible piece

457
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: of wax with an album cover or whatever format. I

458
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: mean CDs and cassettes are no longer there, but still,

459
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 2: like you know, for movie makers, I would imagine that

460
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: they still dream of you know, yeah, like looking at

461
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 2: the mark key and seeing their names and sort of

462
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: I mean, does I know Netflix doesn't have the same

463
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: cachet as going straight to video and you actually see

464
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: bigger results but is that at least an ego adjustment

465
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: that this is now the new normal for filmmakers where

466
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: you go straight to streaming as a proposed to inside

467
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: of movie theaters, Like does it feel different for you?

468
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 5: Or Netflix was the last place I had to go

469
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 5: and this every other studio said, no, coming off black class.

470
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 4: Even off even coming off of an Oscar Win.

471
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 5: Well, that's not happened. But we were nominated, right, okay,

472
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 5: six nominations turn us down, So God bless Netflix. Now.

473
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 5: Of course, no one knew the world was going to change.

474
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

475
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 5: So a lot of people have films ready, but their studios,

476
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 5: which they made them for, does not have a streaming service.

477
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 5: So because of that, and this was Next Six's film,

478
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 5: This film debuted all around the world at the same time,

479
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 5: before the world changed BC, not before christ but before Corona.

480
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 5: I was going to be the president of the Jury,

481
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: the first black president ever. And the con film festimes. Yes,

482
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 5: and this is you hear that, and this is in

483
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 5: the world and the world premiere of the Five Bloods

484
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 5: is gonna be income out of competition. The world changed.

485
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 5: But the answer will give you a more a deeper

486
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 5: answer that you know plans change, and a lot of

487
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 5: everybody had died had plans. Twenty over twenty thousand New

488
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 5: Yorkers had plans. Over one hundred thousand Americans had plans.

489
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 5: All these people had plans. So for me, I'm just

490
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 5: I say, God, bless him alive and my family is

491
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 5: you know, That's where I take it. I don't mean,

492
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 5: I don't mean to get any deep spiritual thing, but

493
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 5: for me, and how can I complain that my movie

494
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 5: didn't come out the way it did? You know, when

495
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 5: when people everybody had plans and the world has changed,

496
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: you know, and the ones that are here, the screaming

497
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 5: black Lives matter all over.

498
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: The world, right, facts, The timing couldn't have been more uncanny.

499
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then another thing, another thing. I

500
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 5: know you have questions for me, but go down say

501
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: something right away to not forget it. People asking me,

502
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 5: friends and journalists. Spike, didn't you, well, all this should happen.

503
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 5: Didn't you run back and shoot that Black Lives Matter scene? Wrong?

504
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 5: That is the first thing we shot. Wow, really, this

505
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: is the slate of a camera. The first day of

506
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 5: Princeville Talkley was March twenty nineteen, and we went to

507
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: May twenty first, twenty nineteen. So again the first day

508
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 5: of Prince photography was March twenty fifth, a full year

509
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: before we shot the Black Lives Matter scene and pre production.

510
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

511
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: So anyway, there are a lot of things that happen

512
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 5: in this film. It's on some spiritual level that nothing

513
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: to do.

514
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: With that's happened with a lot of your films. Though.

515
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: We were talking before, like before you came on.

516
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 6: About how Bamboozo and like how now we're seeing like

517
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 6: they're getting you know, Uncle Ben and not Jemima and

518
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 6: like getting all that out of the paint.

519
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And you were showing that

520
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: you know that was you know twenty years ago. Are there?

521
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 5: You know you leave it out, You leave it out something,

522
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 5: do the right thing. We were talking about global warming.

523
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: You weren't. You weren't talking about global you don't you know?

524
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: My friends called me what Nico domas to be like

525
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 5: you we talking about ship before it should even happened.

526
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 5: You did.

527
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: Wait, that's okay, So I'll say like every other month

528
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: I might bug you with the text asking why your

529
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: entire uh film uh, your film collection isn't in one space.

530
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: I mean right now is do you not think?

531
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 13: Now?

532
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: Is is uh?

533
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: And its twentieth in its twentieth anniversary, now's the time

534
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: for bamboozo to come out again because I can't find

535
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: it anywhere and I need to see it.

536
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 5: It just came out and Criterion just put on a

537
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 5: great new blue rail of it, restored picture, sound, everything.

538
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: Bamboozos is a Criterion Collection film. Yes what you did that?

539
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

540
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 6: Man is in This is like two months ago.

541
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: This is a very suite. Like in my mind, I'm

542
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 4: such a film nerd.

543
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, I wish one day I could be

544
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: a Criterion film And now I will say that. All right,

545
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: So living on a tour bus for like the last

546
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: twenty five years, you know, you just buy any and

547
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: every DVD that to keep your mind occupied. So Criterion

548
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: Collection is basically like it's it's it's the it's the

549
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: upper echelon line Rolls Royce. Yeah, it's the upper echelon

550
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: of film releases. It's like a committee that decides that

551
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: this particular film, regardless of it, of its stature and

552
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: the box office whatever, deserves the royal treatment. I mean,

553
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: now you know companies are doing that. Now that you

554
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: know there's twenty fifth anniversary of this in thirty.

555
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: Fifth Anniversity of Purple Raine and no da da.

556
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: But like back in the day, when Criterion approaches you

557
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: and says we would like to re release, it would

558
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: be like an independent label deciding, Okay, I'm gonna take

559
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: Fante's for a record, the first Little Brother record the

560
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: listening and give it the royal treatment, remaster it you outum.

561
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: Cover great analogy, great analogy.

562
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah and so uh wow, that's funny. It's always been

563
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: my dream to be in a Criterion.

564
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: Be careful.

565
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 8: Wait, can I just ask this question, Spike, because you

566
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 8: more than me, but like you said, you are Negro

567
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 8: domas And what does it feel like present day? Because

568
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 8: we were just talking about this before you came on

569
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 8: where Number one, we have protests, including all kinds of

570
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 8: people outside of us. Number two, we wake up to

571
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 8: no more Uncle Ben, no more an't your mama. Twitter

572
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 8: says Junie teenth is a holiday. New York says June

573
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 8: teenth is a state holiday. Like, I feel overwhelmed. What

574
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 8: does it feel like? It's a lot?

575
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: In other words, how many calls did you get? How

576
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: many calls did you get the last two weeks? To

577
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: explain stuff to them, and how.

578
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: Many you didn't explain?

579
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Many rough drafts did you have to read to make

580
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: sure that this tweet was okay? And though here's my answer,

581
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: they barely.

582
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 11: Motherfucker, Uncle Ben alone, Uncle Ben man.

583
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: Right, you came with Jemima, she got a whole new look, so.

584
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: You got a right.

585
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: No the story. Actually, you know what I just read that.

586
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that similar to the family that won

587
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: that settlement for the line Sleeps Tonight.

588
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: The South African family for writing it.

589
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 14: For the last thirty seven years, the family of the

590
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 14: woman who was the original aunt Jemima Logo, who was

591
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 14: also instrumental in them getting the recipe together, has been

592
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 14: trying to like she's basically owed.

593
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: The minimum is at least a two billion dollar settlement

594
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: for the last money.

595
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: So let's let's see what happened.

596
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: But white corporations, they're like the money way, like it's

597
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: all right.

598
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like I don't know, I'm a shocked. I don't

599
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 8: know whether to take people on their word, like it's

600
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 8: gonna change in a week. I don't want to get

601
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 8: used to it.

602
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: It's very you know what it is like reparation cool

603
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: it's it's cool, but it's like, I don't I feel

604
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: like this is more like a get out of discussions

605
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: free card and go away. Yeah yeah, and it's not

606
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: just going to be you know, it's like this is

607
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: sort of like with the I voted for Obama, so

608
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: now racism is over, and it's like, okay, well I

609
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: donated Amazon's like a I'll give two hundred and fifty

610
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: million dollars to this particular Da da da, So now

611
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: races is over, there's there's still a bigger conversation to

612
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: have for real change.

613
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: So I mean, yeah, like.

614
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: It's it's it's cool now, but I still feel as

615
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: though that's that's kind of a get out of discussions

616
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: free card, and that's the deeper that's the deeper conversation

617
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: that needs to be had. So I mean it's cute,

618
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: but I'm watching very skeptically right now.

619
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Spike, I always wanted to ask you after you

620
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: one for Black Clansmen, Uh, being the director that won,

621
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 6: you know, finally got an oscar like later in your career,

622
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 6: what changes was it?

623
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: Because or where there changes?

624
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 6: You know, we've seen people that win them early and

625
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 6: they kind of you know, it changes them, But you

626
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 6: had been putting in the work for so long, and

627
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: your track record already spoke for itself.

628
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: So a lot of times a question, well you see

629
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 5: a question between Black Class and the Five Bloods that

630
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: you think that affected Kemy Wood affected the Five Bloods.

631
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: But so but you said, had you won? Oh, we

632
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: just fat you had nominated.

633
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 6: You were nominated, but then they still passed, but you

634
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 6: didn't and you won. I guess it was after was

635
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 6: the Five was already in production when you won.

636
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: No, the morning after, the morning after, I was on

637
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: a plane that Thailand, Bangkok, Ah.

638
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I got even after you wan, it was

639
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: still a fight to get your stuff without.

640
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: Now the deal was done. I'm just saying that Netflix

641
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: was the last one I had to I could. It

642
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: was doing else to go to.

643
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: Too, you know.

644
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 5: So we won the Oscar. We partied that night. That

645
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 5: morning I never went to bed, packed my bags and

646
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: was on a plane that Bangkok, Thailand.

647
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: It was l a X. Now I'm sorry, okay.

648
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: And so my production, my great productions, I to win

649
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 5: Thomas whose first film was She's Gonna Have It in

650
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 5: nineteen eighties. My climatoger Tom Siegel. They had been in

651
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: Bangkock for four weeks already. The Anxis too had to

652
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: do the Oscar shit, so I had to catch up.

653
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 5: So minute I landed in Bangkock, in that one hundred

654
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: degrees hit outside the head, that Oscar stuff out the

655
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 5: fucking window, it was over here. I had to catch

656
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 5: up because we get ready shoot a movie. So all

657
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 5: the Oscar stuff between Lax and ban Cock was gone.

658
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: Wow.

659
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I guess it would be more apt to ask an actor,

660
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: what kind of director are you?

661
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: Are you the director that?

662
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 5: Well?

663
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, okay, so.

664
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: I answered, I can't answer that, I asked.

665
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: I asked Paul Thomas answer this question like he Paul

666
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: Thomas pt Anderson is the type of guy that will

667
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: do twenty takes of the same scene because he knows,

668
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: by like the thirty team time, there will be a

669
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: certain rhythm that feels natural.

670
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: But the level of intensity that you.

671
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: Got Delroy Lindo did really give you in this film

672
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: his most Yeah, his most, so, like how many takes

673
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: does it take to get him to that level?

674
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: Like was this just take one he was on? Or

675
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: it took a few times.

676
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll give more than one take. But here's

677
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: the thing. This is my fourth film with Delroy, but

678
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 5: it's been twenty five years between this and the last one.

679
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 5: Delroy first worked with me played Western Archie, Yeah, Malcolm

680
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: xIC great. He was in Clocks, played the drug Kingpinn.

681
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 5: Also played my actual Fatherokly Forgot about Crookly.

682
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 11: He played my father in All you guys, Lazy and Jim.

683
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: You all notice that you can have great talent, but

684
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 5: sometimes you get lost in the sauce. Putting in work,

685
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 5: putting in work, but you get that that vehicle. Mm hmm,

686
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 5: you get that role. Thats been putting work w r

687
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: K for.

688
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: The get been here sorry fighting the air.

689
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: Delroy did not fall off the truck. He's been putting

690
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 5: in work and this role he had the vehicle. He

691
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: took it to another level and he was in his own.

692
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 9: Can we talk about casting, because I was going to say,

693
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 9: how did you in your mind?

694
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: Like, how did you how did you decide that this

695
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 2: was the right ensemble for you.

696
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 5: I've worked with them three other times. I know I

697
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: know what he could do first ten experience.

698
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 8: But Spike, on fairness, you've done so many movies with

699
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 8: such a large collective of actors that you have a

700
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 8: vat that you could have picked out of.

701
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know from Laurence Fishburne of people that

702
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: could have Nah.

703
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 6: We me and my wife we were talking the other

704
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 6: night and last night we were watching I think they've

705
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 6: been showing She They've been showing He Got Game a

706
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 6: lot on HBO now, like they've been showing that a lot.

707
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: And we were just talking like how you you were

708
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 6: kind of like the Miles Davis of in terms of

709
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 6: like a talent scout, like what Miles Davis was the

710
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 6: jazz and being able to see Herbie, to see Cole Trank,

711
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 6: like the dudes and the actresses and actors that you pick,

712
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 6: you know, the stuff that they go on to do

713
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 6: after working with you, and you know what I mean,

714
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 6: it is incredible. And one actor that you chose for

715
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 6: the Five Bloods that I love is Jonathan Majrix who

716
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 6: plays the son. How how did you pick him and

717
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: what was what was the thing you saw in him

718
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 6: that was like, Yo, he's the one O Delroy.

719
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: Jonathan Major. Have you seen San Francisco?

720
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: I have the place I didn't see him in that

721
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 5: film after the audition.

722
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: That's why I thought you chose him.

723
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: No. Casting director Kim Coleman, Wow, I just wanted to,

724
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: you know, let's talk but but but talk about I mean,

725
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: here's the thing. Do the right thing? Was Rosie President's

726
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 5: first film, had the late Great Robin Harsh's first film,

727
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 5: Mark lawrence first film, Jungle Fee was Howie Berry's first film,

728
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 5: Queenly Chiefess first film, and we can go on and

729
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: on and Barry Gory Yeah, but John that was that

730
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: was his first one. But yeah, but still so I

731
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: just have when I get the vibe, you know, I

732
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 5: know that's somebody want to work with and work with again.

733
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: I would like to know what's the barometer for I mean,

734
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: I would think that having a ninety two in Rotten Tomatoes,

735
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't doesn't.

736
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: Hurt at all.

737
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: But what is what is the barometer now that there

738
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: isn't a box office listing per se to determine if

739
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: a film does well or not does well? Like, how

740
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: do you what's what's the what's the new standard or

741
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: the number?

742
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 5: Well this is I heard that our opening box offers

743
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 5: if you could make analogy from the people saw it

744
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 5: on Netflix to people buying a ticket, we open up

745
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 5: like one hundred and twenty five million dollars weekend. Real good,

746
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 5: it very good. OK.

747
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to know, But is it good

748
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: enough for Netflix to say let's make it? Are you

749
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: just say one at a time?

750
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean it. It's there's love again,

751
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 5: I said before no one else wanted to do this film.

752
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: In light of his new studio in Atlanta? Did you

753
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: take it down to Noah?

754
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: Was?

755
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 5: It was?

756
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 9: No?

757
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 11: And that's no direspect to my brother, because.

758
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no quest It's all love, baby,

759
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: And I just want to say something that you know in.

760
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 5: This suddenly showed me and Tyler a mad cool. That

761
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: beat was splashed years ago. I called him up out

762
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 5: of the blue. He said, I said, you gotta talk.

763
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 11: I jumped, put my ass, my black guys.

764
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: On a plane from La Guardian in Atlanta.

765
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 11: Went out to his mansion. We sat down, talked brother

766
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 11: the brother.

767
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: Man a black man, gave each other hug and for

768
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: nothing but love ever since.

769
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: To get it.

770
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: Remember this, he did not, you know, all that big

771
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 5: complex he has. He not had to put my name

772
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 5: on a studio, on one of the studios, one of

773
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 5: those stages he had to do that, so.

774
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: Because there would be no Tyler not for you, but

775
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 3: he did.

776
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 5: But that it wasn't even about that. I know, It's

777
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: just it's love. I did not want to put Tyler

778
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: in a position You're like come on.

779
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: Like.

780
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would think. My thing is that if

781
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 4: you if you're I mean, okay, so establishing the studios.

782
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: Here's the thing though, when I when I answer that

783
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 5: and let me if I can adjust that answer, I

784
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: was I.

785
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: Was only asking because I know that he has the

786
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: complex up and he's open for business.

787
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: But then I was kind of wondering, like what's step two?

788
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: Is step two now like for future for directors and screenwriters,

789
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: like do they is it a studio in the terms

790
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: of like MGM, like do you is he an option

791
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: to take it to?

792
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 5: Or is Georgia is.

793
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 8: Just Georgia stop you from wanting to go down there

794
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 8: because of their laws and what they do and the

795
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 8: women's suppression on their bodies and whatnot.

796
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: Because some people are considering that too. I'm just saying

797
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 3: it is an actor that they.

798
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: True, I don't I can't ask that question. I don't

799
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 5: know if you know, is the studio in the centuries

800
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: also financing films or is it that?

801
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: Is it just a place to shoot? That's my question.

802
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was the studio in terms

803
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: of I don't know Warner Brothers or MGM.

804
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to ask.

805
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he was. I didn't think he was yet.

806
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: So that's just the place to shoot if you want

807
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: to shoot.

808
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 5: So now, I mean, I don't know what the his

809
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 5: his his.

810
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: The end game of it all. Okay, I want to vacuum.

811
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to do.

812
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 6: When you did well, kind of following up on that question,

813
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 6: when you did X and you know, as we talked

814
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 6: last time, you was like you call call folke up, Like, Yo,

815
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 6: it's station time, let's get it, you know what I mean?

816
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

817
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 6: Was there ever consideration after that of saying, well, if

818
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 6: we can come together to do this, why don't we

819
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 6: keep going? What are some of the challenges in self

820
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 6: funding and put doing stuff like that?

821
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 5: The challenge is really most people lose money when you

822
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: invest in the film, okay, and very few of us

823
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 5: have disposable income where they could just write a check

824
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: and like not even be you know, hurt.

825
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 4: Just take them losses.

826
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's it's Look, it's not. This thing's been

827
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 5: a struggle since sixteen nineteen when that first ship lanted

828
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 5: James thom Virginia. And if history has tost anything, you know,

829
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: it's the struggle continues. We take it by day by day.

830
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 5: It was like, you're not gonna chop down a redwood

831
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 5: tree with that first wing. We gotta be John hearing

832
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 5: like a motherfucker though, right?

833
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 3: Can I ask you that the Five bloods real quick?

834
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: It's a in the movie.

835
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 8: It's a picture of Delroy has shown it looked like

836
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: he was. Actually he actually served in the military. Is

837
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 8: that the case?

838
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 5: Yeah? That was from American graffeiti too? What?

839
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: Wow? I didn't know if there was an American graffiti too.

840
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 4: Wait see what we found it? There is such a thing. Yes,

841
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: how come I don't know about this because I've never

842
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: heard America graffiti too?

843
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 5: Google Google, I am dB sugar.

844
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Computer too on a computer?

845
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: You know you want to, but he's not talking. Let

846
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: him do it.

847
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't seen that.

848
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 7: I haven't seen that movie, but I have the soundtrack

849
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 7: for it. So if there's a soundtrack for it in

850
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 7: my period.

851
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 8: Real did you use any Vietnamese actors.

852
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: Wow, a more American.

853
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 5: You're right, everybody was Vietnamese.

854
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: So then okay, so this is this leads to my

855
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: next question.

856
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 8: Then the scene on the boat with del Roy and

857
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 8: the god selling the chickens, right, it seemed to me

858
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 8: did you ever have to have a off camera come

859
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 8: to Jesus moment with the cast because history is so

860
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 8: deep in that way and y'all were shooting in Vietnam

861
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 8: and some of these Vietnamese actors do have a history

862
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 8: with this war in that way because it was it

863
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 8: was so you know, it's so emotional part about you

864
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 8: killed my father and my mother body thought chicken?

865
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 5: I told I told my brother to use that because

866
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 5: he didn't speak that much English, but I said, black Gi,

867
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: black Gi.

868
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: Right, Were there real moments about it.

869
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 5: Was? Because there's history?

870
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 5: I mean one of the key lines everybody in the

872
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 5: film is a war never ends.

873
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 11: And we had a Vietnamese brother, Ben say that line.

874
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: People in America in Vietnam is still deal with this

875
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 5: war is coming on fifty years from them, fifty years ago.

876
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: Another thing that I learned very quickly that if you're

877
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 5: in Vietnam and you say the Vietnam War. They say, no, no, no.

878
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: No American War.

879
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 5: We call it their American War. We did not go

880
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 5: the motherfucker United States in America. You motherfuckers came here,

881
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 5: got your ass kicked. And before that, the French came

882
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: here and got the ass kicked.

883
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: You did mention that was mentioned in the movie while

884
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: they speak.

885
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: The French, the French colonized Vietnam. If you, I mean,

886
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 5: if you look when you get a chance, we get

887
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: a chance, get look at your globe, globe that's cute,

888
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 5: or you just go to your Google a world map.

889
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: Look how big Vietnam is.

890
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm looking.

891
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, what state you think?

892
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: What's the question? You got it? What state you think

893
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 5: it's comfortable in size to Vietnam?

894
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: I guess by the looks of it.

895
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 5: I mean not Texas, for Texas bigger than Vietnam. I'm

896
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: looking one of the smaller states.

897
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is This could be up in New England somewhere.

898
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. So just say, like four guests, maybe it's

899
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 5: the size of the Rhode Island or New Hampshire, Vermont,

900
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 5: that is the size of Vietnam. They kicked mothers.

901
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 4: Yea.

902
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: They know when you came to be like Spike Lee.

903
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 5: Some did, some did, but we made a conscious effort

904
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: in this film not to dehumanize being these people, not

905
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 5: to make them villains. We treat them with love, respect,

906
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: and we got that in return.

907
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

908
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 6: One question I had about your because you say, you

909
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 6: know war that was the theme?

910
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: You know war never ends?

911
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 6: Was that a part of the decision to keep the

912
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 6: main actors the same age and the flashbacks? Uh, you

913
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 6: know what I mean? And the only one that was

914
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 6: young was was Chad you know Norman.

915
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: It was thank you? Big question again, that's question I've

916
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 5: been asked a question a million times already now, so

917
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 5: I have there. As I said earlier, everybody. Netflix was

918
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 5: the last person who started to do the film. But

919
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: they said we're doing it for a price, a price

920
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: that you a price. If I to add the dou

921
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 5: to do the age that the d age actors would

922
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 5: added another one hundred million dollars.

923
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 11: To a film.

924
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 5: Would have to do that one hundred down. That's more

925
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 5: the whole film car. Another part of this answer and

926
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 5: complicated answer, is that we had very few days when

927
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 5: the temperature was not over one hundred degrees. We were

928
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: shooting in the jungles of Thailand, make up aesthetics would

929
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 5: have melted writing for the right cameras. So with all

930
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: those things I just said, combined with my confidence in

931
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: the telligence of the moving the movie going audience that

932
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 5: the first time they see it it will be jarn

933
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 5: But then like that, the light bulb would go and

934
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: you know, off over the head and like, I get it,

935
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: this is a memory. So that is the answer to

936
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 5: your question.

937
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

938
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, My good friend Sarah McDonald who writes for The Undefeated,

939
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 6: and she gave the Five Bloods good review. She was

940
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 6: the one that kind of made that point of just

941
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: how that was the way even though it was you know,

942
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 6: it may have been a budgetarystriction whatever, but that was

943
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 6: just a way to show that they never left the war,

944
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 6: like they're still there.

945
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 5: Yes, And what did Marvin Gate sing? War is hell?

946
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: But win it?

947
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna sing it when we start getting

948
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 5: back together again.

949
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 11: So I know the questions coming.

950
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: About Marvion Gate. Marvin Gay had an older brother named Franklin.

951
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 5: He did three tours in Vietnam, three tours. He was

952
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 5: a radio operator and he was right his brother every week,

953
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 5: and Marvin never answered one of those others.

954
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: Wow.

955
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of ways that album is

956
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 5: an answer. It was a lettering never wrote. So Marvin

957
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 5: is getting a first hand account from his brother who's

958
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: doing three tours of Vietnam. Plus Marvin is in Detroit Motown,

959
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 5: so they're seeing the buds come back, maimed, fucked up,

960
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 5: strung on heroin. So all those things it might look,

961
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 5: I might be wrong. I think those are the things

962
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: that all came together that he gave the world the

963
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 5: gift of one of the greatest albums ever in my opinion.

964
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 4: What's going on?

965
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: So Marvin is a character in this movie.

966
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: Did you know from the gate that you were going

967
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: to use that album, that entire record as Yes, now

968
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that because it introduces another, yet another

969
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: generation to an album that's about to celebrate its fiftieth anniversary.

970
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 5: So and another thing is that we did. Another thing

971
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: that we did is that my brother Sanki, who does

972
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: all my still photography and not not still with Talk Records,

973
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: he's behind the scenes. While we were in Thailand, he

974
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 5: gave me that Acapella birds was I never heard it before?

975
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 5: M hmm, I never.

976
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 11: Heard it, had never ever heard of acapella What's going on?

977
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: And once I heard it, I knew we had to

978
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 5: put it on a scene with Paul as he's on

979
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 5: his dissent and the depths.

980
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, right, Yeah, I feel like that was your

981
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: That was your living for the City moment from ju

982
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: Jungle Fever.

983
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 4: That was your Yeah, just using a song.

984
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: Like go to the Tosh.

985
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 6: Also do one of my favorite scenes where you did

986
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 6: that is in Girl six, when you use how come

987
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 6: you don't call me no more?

988
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 11: Any boardwalk?

989
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 8: In spite as a I'm gonna get on you with

990
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 8: it again every time I talk to you, I'm gonna

991
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 8: just say, as a c Au person, I found it

992
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 8: very interesting the way you again go more House into.

993
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: Another of yours.

994
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: I just the house history. Though you were absolutely right,

995
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 5: I do not mention clark Au now it's called back

996
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 5: on Clark was called Clark College. My maid was that

997
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 5: even like graduating from Morehouse ELECTUS class of nineteen seventy nine,

998
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 5: my major, Herb. Eichelberger, taught me he's the one that

999
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 5: believed in me as a young filmmaker. So I know

1000
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 5: you're absolutely distraught now that read Hastings just gave forty

1001
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 5: million to Morehouse, y'all fort forty million to the United

1002
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 5: College Fund, and clark Au didn't gonna die that the country.

1003
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 4: Was that you're doing.

1004
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 5: Hey, I thought about it like the rest of the world.

1005
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, listen though.

1006
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: You know why that's special to me, No bullshit. My

1007
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 5: father went to Morehouse. Well, my father was a freshman

1008
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: doctor Martin Luther King was a senior. Martin Luther King

1009
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 5: the Third and I are classmates. We both graduated class

1010
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 5: thirty nine. My grandfather went to Morehouse. My mother, who

1011
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 5: is a centophile, she's the one. She's the reason why

1012
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 5: I'm a filmmaker. She went to Spellman. My grandma lived

1013
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 5: one hundred years old. Wow, she went to Spellman. My

1014
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 5: grandmother is a one who's who saved the Social Security

1015
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 5: checks for fifty years for a grand josen for a

1016
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 5: grandch education.

1017
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 11: I was the first born, I had first DIBs.

1018
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 5: My grandmother put me through Morehouse, put me through n YU,

1019
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: and gave me the same money. But she's gotta have it.

1020
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: I get it.

1021
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 5: So that's why I show Love Morehouse and Spellman plus

1022
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 5: the world's grades Hurd. Love with Moses was one year

1023
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 5: ahead of me classes seventy eight.

1024
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 3: Nobody rides out of school like morehouse men and spellman women.

1025
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell I'm the motherfucking house what all right,

1026
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 9: one day I'll do it for OKAYK got to do it.

1027
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 4: A mirror my pros from me her culture festival. All right, y'all?

1028
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 15: No Bill None who used to teach at Clark and

1029
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 15: Land and where you go? I don't know the house

1030
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 15: And Samuel Jackson Sam, I.

1031
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: Think he was about.

1032
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 5: Sam, Sam, Sam and John I mean Sam then Bill

1033
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: were classmates some more Hawks.

1034
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: When you saw Sam presenting the award, you you kind

1035
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 2: of you already, right.

1036
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 5: I had an inkling, but I didn't want to go

1037
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 5: for the dope bean double cross again. I gotta love

1038
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 5: you so much. I don't want to go for that.

1039
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 4: I wanted going. I look, I was a hit.

1040
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 5: It was a hit. But I've seen that skull bluggery,

1041
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 5: that Agan's subterfuge before.

1042
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 4: Right, we all have. Man, I was I was there before.

1043
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: I was there, and that that was That was like

1044
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: one of the most electric moments in the audience.

1045
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: Man, like watching that and Ruth get one too, Like

1046
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 3: it was.

1047
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: Just oh, there was a bunch of us. Yeah, that

1048
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 5: was a good knight for negroes all, not just the

1049
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 5: ones that want.

1050
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, it was great. That was a great night.

1051
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: What is next for you?

1052
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: And how are you preparing for whatever is next for you?

1053
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 5: You know what?

1054
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 11: Another you guys give me nothing A great question.

1055
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 5: I thank you for because it's hard to answer the

1056
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 5: questions that you're like, WTF. OMG. This is the first time.

1057
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 5: If I just had as my mother, my late mother

1058
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: will say, sit your skinny, rusty black ass down. I've

1059
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 5: been working non stop.

1060
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: She used to have.

1061
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 11: It was eighty six, do the right thing.

1062
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: It's gonna be thirty one years old this coming June thirty.

1063
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 5: The film was released the same day as Tim Baton.

1064
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 5: Tim Burton's Batman was between feature films, featured documentaries, short

1065
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: films for Michael Jackson, Prince Public Enemy, Miles Davis, Anita Baker.

1066
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 5: You know, a whole bunch of people, and then being

1067
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 5: married twenty six years, my group of wife Tanya, two kids,

1068
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 5: grown kids, this pandemic both and you know there's two.

1069
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 4: Of them, alright me.

1070
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like, sit the fuck down and be still.

1071
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 16: Stop the ripping and running here and ripping running air

1072
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 16: My family, we were. You know, I just went out

1073
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 16: the first two months just to take.

1074
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: Out the garbage.

1075
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: Wow. Sometimes you just using up.

1076
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 5: Now it's loosen up, you know, ride my bike, spending

1077
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 5: a lot of dollar demonstrations. But I had to be

1078
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: still because I want. I wanted to live and I

1079
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 5: don't want to do nothing that's gonna, you know, put

1080
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 5: my family in jeopardy. And when you're just there, you

1081
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 5: think your mind and maybe maybe everybody, some other beautiful

1082
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 5: people might have felt this way too. My mind was

1083
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 5: not racing, and.

1084
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 16: It was like I'm taking this one motherfucking day and

1085
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 16: a motherfucking at time, one day at a time, not

1086
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 16: trying to plan on us.

1087
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 5: We don't know when it's just going to change whatever.

1088
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be still. And I've done a lot

1089
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 5: of reflections. I thought about my brother Chris, who died

1090
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 5: not recently, but you know he was a brother right

1091
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 5: under me. You know, he had an addiction.

1092
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 11: I thought of my mother, who died of liver cancer.

1093
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 5: You saw a crook one I'm wanted. She was forty

1094
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 5: one years old, you know, another sophomore in more house.

1095
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: So I've had time to think about It's not just

1096
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 5: all you know, dark stuff. But I've had a lot

1097
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 5: of time to reflect the good and bad, which I

1098
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 5: think has been very beneficial to my growth because I

1099
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: just had to shit the fuck down. Hey man, I'm

1100
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: trying to be like, you know, like mister.

1101
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: No, that's real. No, that's really, that's real.

1102
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 6: Even when at the beginning when you were saying, you know,

1103
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 6: like I'm sixty three years old, like me and my

1104
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 6: wife were even talking about that about how you've always

1105
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 6: been someone who he your output has always been very prolific,

1106
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 6: and so you've always like every year or at least

1107
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 6: every other year, we know, Spike got something coming. And

1108
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 6: then on top of that, your subject matter is always

1109
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 6: timely to what's going on. So it's easy to forget

1110
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 6: because you're always so current. Like you said, he's beginning,

1111
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 6: like yo, this cap been doing this shit for forty years.

1112
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1113
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 5: People, we want to freeze just like it all right,

1114
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 5: But if I could just say this, and this is

1115
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 5: because I gotta go, but I want to thank you guys.

1116
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 5: But but also another thing I left out I've been

1117
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 5: thinking about. I was, you know, the first time ever

1118
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about my own mortality. Death has been around

1119
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 5: us around me, people have died left and right, and

1120
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 5: it really you know, maybe think about you know, like

1121
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be the fuck here forever, you know.

1122
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 5: And I know it's a cliche, but you know what

1123
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 5: makes a cliche that war times than not, it is

1124
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 5: the truth.

1125
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 11: Bullshit doesn't become a cliche.

1126
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 5: Truth does, in my opinion.

1127
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 17: In fact, we got to enjoy what we got because

1128
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 17: no one knows when that last breath is we're gonna take,

1129
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 17: and nothing is reaffirmed that.

1130
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you hear that, you hear that, hear that

1131
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 5: he has some bulls that will live ever. But living

1132
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 5: through New York City in this epicenter that changed is

1133
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: like I said, nah, that shit is real.

1134
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 11: You gotta we.

1135
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 5: Gotta enjoy this ship while you're here, because this was

1136
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 5: a motherfucking epicenter New York City.

1137
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 11: People dying left and right.

1138
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 5: Funeral homes have motherfucking U haul trucks.

1139
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 13: They're unrefrigerated. People have to call the cops because valley

1140
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 13: fueled fluid and just a stinch is like, just be crazy.

1141
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 13: That's like living Fort Green not right next to Brooklyn Hospital.

1142
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 18: And you see the refrigeration trucks they had they're gone now, yeah,

1143
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 18: but that they had to bring in refrigeration trucks to

1144
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 18: keep the course of the the dead bodies.

1145
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 5: You're on ice.

1146
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1147
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 5: And the last thing, my brother, I'm gonna sing you

1148
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 5: out because I want to let you know that I love.

1149
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 11: You and it's love, love, love.

1150
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 5: And I think that this is time history that we're

1151
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 5: living through is going to reduce great albums, great plays,

1152
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 5: great movies, great documentaries, great art is going to come

1153
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 5: out of this historic moment we're living in. I believe

1154
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 5: in my heart, amen, that they're great, that they that

1155
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 5: for me, what makes artists great is a God given

1156
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 5: gift and that god even gift is is the connection

1157
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 5: between the heart and the mind. And you watch just

1158
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 5: me cold.

1159
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 11: Because the the the.

1160
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 5: Horrible things have happened, art, great art is going to

1161
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 5: comment on this period we lived.

1162
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, amen, Thank you very much, Spike Lee.

1163
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1164
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

1165
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 5: Thank you for your art.

1166
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Not a special Q slive with Spike Lee Bontelo. Fight Yeah, Steve,

1167
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: that was a mouthful.

1168
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 4: We got it.

1169
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For

1170
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app.

1171
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.