1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in an hour number two Clay 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: with us as we roll through the Tuesday edition of 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: the program, where you're joined now by doctor McCarry, who 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: is who is a big time I would say, analyst 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: of COVID data. He's at Johns Hopkins. It's got a 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: recent book, The Price We Pay, What Broke America's Healthcare 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: and How to fix It? And I'm reading today Wall 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Street Journal op ed page COVID confusion at the CDC, 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: and doctor you write, I want to read this paragraph 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: for our audience. You write that Israel published data that 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: showed with seven hundred thousand people included natural immunity was 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven times more effective than vaccinated a mute and 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: preventing symptomatic infections of COVID. Thank you for joining us. Doctor. 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: Why has America been so bad at producing our own data? 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: And why have we avoided talking very often about natural 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: immunity in general? In your mind? Well, good to be 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: with you guys, Thanks for having me. I'm not sure 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: why we have not been able to produce data. We've 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: got fifty seven billion dollars at the NIH and CDC 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: and about thirty thousand employees. I don't know what they're doing, 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I don't know if they're 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: browsing through the office depot catalog or getting things notarized 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: in their lunch break. It's inexplicable that all the good 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: data is coming out of Israel. The only clusteranomized control 27 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: trial of masks looking at different types of masks came 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: out of Bangladesh. We're the United States of America. Why 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: are we getting blindsided by overwhelming data that natural immunity 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: is twenty seven times more effective when our public health 31 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: officials have been parting the opposite. They had it backwards, 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: doctor McCarry's buck. I saw doctor Faucci last week. I mean, 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci seems to be on TV every five minutes. 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know this was actually an official role at 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: the NIH or NIA IDEA or whatever it is, but 36 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci is constantly out there spreading faucism. He was 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: finally asked in a way that I hadn't seen before 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: about natural immunity, and he kind of said a version 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: of Yeah, that's interesting, we'll look into that. How is 40 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: it possible that we're eighteen months into this pandemic and 41 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: they don't have I mean, is it fair to say 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: that they just don't view this as a priority. Well, 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: it interfered with the political edict to vaccinate every American, 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: and when you had anything that got in the way 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: of that edict, it became marginalized and downplayed by our 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: all ACUC leaders. And there are a lot of things 47 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: out there that said, hey, wait a minute, the second 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: dose and kids is causing heart complications. Doesn't matter. They 49 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: still got to get vaccinated. So we have seen a 50 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: lot of things like that sort of interfere with the 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: political agenda. And remember they're an old school group of docs, 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: the people calling all the shots with COVID. It's a 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: very small group of very old doctors, and they have 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: group think. I appreciate you being on with us, doctor McCarry, 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: and for all the work you're doing at Johns Hopkins. Okay, 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: so let's we gotta that's probably the number one question 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: natural immunity in your mind. When you look at Europe, 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: which is doing in many countries a pretty good job 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: of acknowledging natural immunity. When Joe Biden is coming out 60 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: and saying, Hey, I'm going to mandate federal vaccinations, let's 61 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: lead aside the legality of whether that's possible. There's the 62 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: discussion about the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Aren't we overlooking 63 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: tens of millions and potentially a hundred million or more people, 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: including people like Bucket myself, who have already had COVID 65 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and recovered from it as if we don't exist. Shouldn't 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: this be an important part of the discussion about how 67 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: our nation responds to COVID Well, Ignoring natural immunity has 68 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: hurt the credibility of public health because we really want 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: to encourage I want to encourage most doctors want to 70 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: encourage all adults who have not had the infection to 71 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: get vaccinated and to do it quickly. And that message 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: got really hurt by all this dishonesty around natural immunity, 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: ignoring it, blowing it off. So that was a big setback, 74 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: and I think part of the issue right now is 75 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that they are come around way too late. It's sad because, 76 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, tens of thousands of Americans 77 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: died December through April when we were rationing our limited 78 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: vaccine supply and we were giving it to people with 79 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: natural immunity. We should have had them step as a 80 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: great point, the hYP office has hurt a lot of people. 81 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: We're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. He's a professor at 82 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Got a great piece 83 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal today, Oh it's yesterday, rather 84 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: COVID confusion at the CDC, an eloquent version of what 85 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: I've been saying all the time, which is that the 86 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: CDC is a bureaucratic monstrosity. And as a former federal 87 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: government employee, I know bureaucratic monstrosity when I see one. Doc, 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: I want to know if you've seen this piece at 89 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: the published in The Atlantic where they looked at all 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: the different hospitalizations starting I believe from January to June 91 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: of this year, and the piece comes away with and 92 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: it was by a Zwi who I believe we had 93 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: clay earlier on the show. Remember was he the New 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: York magazine. I think it's the same guy. Yes, that 95 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: New York magazine he wrote. But but doctor McCarry, he's 96 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: saying that forty to forty five percent of COVID hospitalizations 97 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: under the period studied, which went, as I said to 98 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: June of this year, were people who were either in 99 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: the hospital for non COVID related reasons or for very 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: mild illness. Do you buy that? I mean people have 101 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: been saying, oh, along the hospitalization numbers don't there's something 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: funky going on. Doesn't add up? Could that really be happening? 103 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone goes into a hospital in April 104 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: of this year's for cancer screening and they test positive 105 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: for COVID, does that go as a COVID hospitalization Sometimes 106 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: so it depends on the hospital. And California had a 107 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: county sort of do it wrong. They were accounting everybody 108 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: who just tested positive for COVID, which, by the way, 109 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: it's very easy to test positive for COVID with a 110 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: PCR test. It'll pick up one dead virus particle. So 111 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: they revised in this California county, Alameda County, they revised 112 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: their real numbers down by twenty five percent. When they 113 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: looked into the cases, we are seeing hospital ICUs overrun 114 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: and those are real I talked to doctors out there. 115 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: But with the hospitalization numbers they're probably inflated. And what 116 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: about the what about the numbers of those who are 117 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: in the ICU who are vaccinated versus not vaccinated. Are 118 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: we getting really good data on that. I think we are. 119 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: But the actually what they're actually doing is when they're 120 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: saying people are in there who have been vaccinated, some 121 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: of those are just incidental, and some pop are saying 122 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: they've been vaccinated and they really haven't. So really, almost 123 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: everybody in the hospital with COVID and very sick is 124 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: an unvaccinated adult, and that's where we should be focusing 125 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: all of our efforts. Doctor McCarry, what do you think 126 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: about the idea of requiring vaccines to travel on airplanes, 127 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: as doctor Fauci is talking about now almost every mandate 128 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: we've gotten wrong as a country. When we force people 129 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: to get vaccinated who already have natural munity, we're going 130 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: to potentially subject them to adverse side effects for no 131 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: good reason. Let me let me pause you there that 132 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: that's an interesting point before we get to the airplane. 133 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: But what you just said, so we had Ran Paul 134 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: on and he was discussing I think and maybe Senator 135 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Ron Johnson as well. But Ran Paul obviously as a doctor, 136 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: and he's going to be on with us later this week. 137 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: And when we had him on, he was talking about 138 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: people who have natural immunity the vaccine could actually make 139 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: them less healthy than it would be if they just 140 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: relied on that natural immunity. How would you break that down? 141 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people out there. I'm one 142 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: of them who have natural immunity, and I haven't been 143 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: vaccinated yet for one of those reasons. What are the 144 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: risk factors from a vaccine from someone like me who 145 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: still has antibodies already had covido recovered, feel one hundred 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: percent fine, and other people like me who might be 147 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: out there listening well, With every subsequent dose of a vaccine, 148 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: you get more of an inflammatory response, and you can 149 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: consider having COVID like getting two doses of the vaccine, 150 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: So each subsequent dose is going to knock you down 151 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more and cause side effects. In kids, 152 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: and that is anyone under twenty nine, there's actually a 153 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: risk of heart inflammation with that second dose, So we 154 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: don't we don't want those kids to get a second dose. 155 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't even want to get it. If you don't 156 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: have natural immunity, so that's the complication, Doctor McCarry, What 157 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: about these comparisons that are being made now as part 158 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: of the justification for the COVID mandates. You'll hear a 159 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: lot of folks out there, some of the air Blue 160 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: check mds, so I'm sure you're familiar with. Others are 161 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: just people parroting what they see online. But they'll say 162 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: it's just like the MMR vaccine, specifically for kids having 163 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: to get COVID vaccination. What do you say to those 164 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: who say it's just like which doctor Faucci I believe 165 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: is one of them, it's just like measles mom's rubella vaccination. Well, 166 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to see the data on how many healthy 167 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: kids have been in the have been hospitalized with COVID. 168 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: No one's been able to give us those numbers. Out 169 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: of the roughly four hundred some kids who have been 170 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: hospitals who have died of COVID, out of the twenty 171 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: five million or so that have gotten at the entire 172 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: year and a half, most of those were rescued towards 173 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: deaths when we didn't know how to treat them, and 174 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: so today the risk to a healthy kid is infinitesimally small. 175 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: And over half of kids in America have had COVID, 176 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: So it's a much different landscape today than with MMR. 177 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, as if a child gets about how 178 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: dangerous are those diseases versus version. I mean, obviously COVID's 179 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: basically not dangerous. Measles, mumps, rubella, those higher risk factors. 180 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people, we I mean we see little outbreaks 181 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: of those in other countries and they can be deadly. 182 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: It's a much different disease. That's important people to know 183 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: because I'll talk about smallpox, for example, in the vaccination 184 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: campaign with that which my understanding GOCA is that has 185 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: a thirty percent mortality rate, which is terrifying. That's right, 186 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: Dr McCarry. One of the things that I hear a 187 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: lot about is building on what Buck was just saying 188 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: about vaccines that kids get. When I was a kid, 189 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know how old you are, but I'm 190 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: guessing you're around bucking Mind's age, rough, chicken pox didn't 191 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: have a vaccine, and so just about every kid that 192 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: I know got chicken pox. In fact, we actually had 193 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: chicken pox parties where a young kid would get it. 194 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: And that will you get sent over to try to 195 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: get it as well, because the idea was if you've 196 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: got chicken pox at an older age, it was much 197 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: more likely to be harmful than at a younger age. 198 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Now they have a chicken pox vaccine. I've never, to 199 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: my knowledge, gotten the chicken pox vaccine because I had 200 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: chicken pox as a kid. Is there an analogy there 201 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: for people who maybe are thinking about the natural immunity angle. 202 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: No one has ever argued to me, hey, you need 203 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: to get the chicken pox vaccine, because I would just 204 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: naturally respond, well, I had chicken pox when I was 205 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: a kid. I know, we don't know how long natural 206 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: immunity from COVID last, because this is still a novel 207 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: virus in many ways. But is there an analogy there 208 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: from a natural immunity perspective that we never really said 209 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: to people, hey, you need to get a chicken pox vaccine, 210 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: even though we have it now if they had had 211 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: it before. Is there an analogy there that makes sense 212 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: to you as a doctor. Absolutely, there's an end analogy. 213 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: There's it's a direct analogy. And ironically, the CDC has 214 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: on their website that if you had chicken pox, you 215 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: should not get the chicken pox vaccine. It's like they 216 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: have adopted the immune system to the Democrat Party for 217 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: one virus, but not for another virus. It is absolutely 218 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: illogical that they've ignored national community. It doesn't make sense 219 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: with what they've put out on chicken poxcut So that's fascinating. 220 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: So you're telling me I didn't even know this. I 221 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: would encourage you to write and you may have written it, 222 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: but if you haven't, that would be fascinating. I think 223 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of people out there to read like 224 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: they have your other Wall Street Journal editorial pieces which 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: have been so good. So the CDC is giving directly 226 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: contradictory advice as it pertains to the chicken pox vaccine 227 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: and the COVID vaccine for people who have had those 228 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: viruses earlier. That's right. Then they cherry picked the data 229 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: to support whatever they've already decided. I don't know if 230 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: you saw the study they put out on natural immunity 231 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: out of Kentucky. But they read that, yeah, and they said, 232 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: oh we did studying Kentucky. Naturalmmunity doesn't work. You can't 233 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: trust it. Well, they only looked at two months, even 234 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: though they have nineteen months of data, and they only 235 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: looked at one state even though they have fifty states 236 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: of data, and it's oh interesting. The risk is slightly 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: higher with fascinated immunity of getting COVID or starting natural mute. 238 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: They cherry picked the data. They salami sliced it, something 239 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: we call fishing in statistical techniques, that as you look 240 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: for a tiny sliver of data the supports which you 241 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: already believe. Doc, we got we gotta go, but I 242 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: just want to know before we let you go. And 243 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: we're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. You should all check 244 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: out his piece in the Wall Street Journal today is 245 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: from JOHNS Hopkins University School of Medicine. Have you I mean, 246 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: is it just depressing to see your field be politicized 247 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: in this way. We actually all want people to be 248 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: healthy and live long lives, but it feels like this 249 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: has turned into some kind of a partisan food fight. Yeah, 250 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: it is really sad. I had a patient who's an 251 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: older patient tell me he's lived through the tuberculosis, polio 252 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: H one N one pandemics and has never seen this 253 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: degree of polarization before. So it is a tragedy how 254 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: we're seeing medicine turned into politics by government doctors who 255 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: stick to a party line rather than speaking the truth 256 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: to the data. Doctor McCarry, thanks so much for being 257 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: with us. We appreciate it. Thanks guys, Clay, you got 258 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: Mike Lindell's products. I got Mike Lindell's products, and we 259 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: want everybody to get them because they're amazing. 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He told us straight 287 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: up that when it comes to the chicken pox vaccine, 288 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: you were told don't get the vaccine if you'd already 289 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: had the virus. I was told by an infectious these 290 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: specialist that I know very well early on to at 291 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: least wait. And that was actually the CDC guidance. We 292 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: can all remember that, right There was a period where 293 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: the CDC early on said if you had COVID, wait 294 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: ninety days before you get the shot, because they knew 295 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: there was the possibility of an overimmune reaction if you 296 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: already had the antibodies and created this inflammatory response in 297 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: your system. But then they kind of just decided, shut up, 298 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: just get the shot. It doesn't even matter anymore. The politics, 299 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: not the science, are driving this all over the place 300 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and another and there are other areas play where I 301 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: think we see this and we should get into both 302 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: herd immunity as well as airlines and whether they're going 303 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: to push this stuff forward the mandates. Yeah, there's no doubt. 304 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, doctor McCarry, I thought, did a 305 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: really good job pointing out that early on we were 306 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: rationing who was getting the shots, we let people who'd 307 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: already had COVID get the shoots, meaning that some people 308 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: who desperately needed a COVID vaccine shot, we're not able 309 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: to get it right. So that is there are so 310 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: many public policy failures. And i'd encourage you guys to 311 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: read It's in the print edition of the Wall Street 312 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: Journal today. COVID Confusion at the CDC went up yesterday 313 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: afternoon evening on the website. You need to read it 314 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: because he did such a great job of laying out 315 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: why in the world is the United States relying on 316 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Israeli data, for instance, to guide our decision making when 317 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: we've had eighteen or nineteen months, as he said, with 318 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: a massive twenty one thousand employees, billions of dollars in budget, 319 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: What in the world's the CDC eve been doing? The 320 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: data on natural immunity interferes with the democrat and narrative clays. 321 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: That's what this really comes down to. 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I 348 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: keep messing up his name, probably, but the important thing 349 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: is he's a doctor at Johns Hopkins and he has 350 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: done a fabulous job of actually looking at data and 351 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: trying to make a rational public policy. And that's what 352 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: Bucket I have been arguing in favor of for now years, 353 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: which is crazy to say, and certainly for the last 354 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: three months on this show. Encourage you to go download 355 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: the podcast if you missed that interview to start off 356 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: the second hour, or you missed the first hour of 357 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: the show. 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The CDC 373 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: on their own website gives a different analysis of what 374 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: you should do if you had chicken pox when you 375 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: were a kid compared to if you had COVID and 376 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: you haven't gotten vaccinated, two different answers. Joe Biden, to 377 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: my knowledge, has never had to answer a natural immunity question. 378 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: Why is that? Because they are running and hiding anytime 379 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has a question, Buck, I problem with him 380 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: being asked a question. Yeah, well they can't even get 381 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: questions to him. Listen to what happened yesterday. When Joe 382 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: Biden started to answer questions, they cut his mic. Listen, 383 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: can I ask you a questions of one of the 384 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: things that I've been working out with some others is 385 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: they cut him off. That's the end. That's not a 386 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: mistake from us. Joe Biden is interacting with the media 387 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: and they will not allow him to answer questions. They 388 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: cut his mic off. This is the leader of the 389 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: free world, Buck, and his own staff doesn't trust him 390 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: to be able to answer questions to such a degree 391 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: that they turn his microphone off when he starts to 392 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: answer questions. Embarrassing. And this is not happening in a vacuum. 393 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: This is happening in the context of a president who 394 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: frequently stands up at the podium and not only says 395 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: weird mumbling, bumbling, bizarre things, but will often say something like, 396 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to talk to you. You know, you 397 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: young folks out here. You know he's supposed to not 398 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: talk to us. He's the president. I want to know 399 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: who's giving him the orders to not speak to us. 400 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, you would think, I mean, do you remember 401 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: what it was like under Trump? That guy he would 402 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: walk out to you know, to the helicopter beyond the 403 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: White House, or he and he would do an impromptu 404 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: press conference on the fly. Every one of those journalists 405 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: that had assembled was there for one purpose, and one 406 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: purpose only to attack him, to undermine him, to catch 407 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: him in something they could say as a lie. And 408 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, nine times out of ten Trump was doing 409 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: verbal roundhouse kicks to all the journals, which is why 410 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: they hated him so much. Joe Biden doesn't do it. 411 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: This is the Hiden Biden and the Basement presidency, even 412 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: though he's technically not in the basement anymore. And that's 413 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: why when they're cutting his mic, you say, it's not 414 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: like this is a guy that usually takes questions, Clay. 415 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: This is a guy who everybody's got, Everyone has questions 416 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: about why can't he handle questions? Biden will not take 417 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: a single question. They will turn it off. Trump took 418 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: hours of questions sometimes, I mean he would stand at 419 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: the podium and take There were days he took hours 420 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: of questions from the media, and yet the media would say, oh, 421 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: we need to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment on him, 422 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: even though you know this, Buck. One of the most 423 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: challenging things to do is extemporaneous, unplanned discussion on daily 424 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: basis what we do for three hours, right, and the 425 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: president to be able to field questions like that and 426 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: answer on the spot in a press conference setting is 427 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: an incredible skill set. Biden can't do it. Not only 428 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: can he not do it, his own people are so 429 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: terrified of him doing it that they are cutting his 430 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: mic off when he starts to answer questions in contravention 431 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: of what they want him to do. It's I mean again, 432 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: when you hear that, imagine what happened in, for instance, 433 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: the phone conversation with Joe Biden and Chairman Z in China. 434 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: Ninety minutes Supposedly Joe Biden talked to him. How much 435 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: sense do you think he made and how much do 436 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: you think the authoritarian leader of China Chairman Z when 437 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: he's sitting there listening to that conversation is not like, 438 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the United States has elected a total 439 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: buffoon who has lost control of his mental faculties. Do 440 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: I have to be concerned about him on anything? Trade? Taiwan? 441 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: They're flying airplanes, threatening to fly airplanes directly over Taiwan 442 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: after watching Afghanistan. Do you think China in any way 443 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: is afraid of America being able to protect Taiwan after 444 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: what they did in Hong Kong. Look, we have an 445 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: empty suit as our president. And whether you're a Democrat, 446 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: Republican or Independent, that ain't good because you know who 447 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: takes advantage of empty suits. Bucks, Bad guys take advantage 448 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: of weakness, and we're weak right now in the office 449 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: of presidency. Biden doesn't always get the most warm and 450 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: fuzzy reception. Everywhere these days, we've been talking about the 451 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: the blank Joe Biden. You can say, maybe they're they're 452 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: basically telling the letter F Yes, they're basically telling him 453 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: to go fauci himself. Yes. And they're doing this in 454 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: college football games all over the country. Also, when he 455 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: was out in he was out in California, his motorcade, 456 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: there was a big mob. We actually have this. We 457 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: have a motor cad and of people that were I'm sorry, 458 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: his motorcade rather was being jeered at by some folks. 459 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: So let's just have not ever loves Joe. I know, 460 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: people jeered you know their libs there, leftist who are 461 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Jerry Trump too. But it's so funny because this is 462 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: where the media propaganda machinery makes such a difference. If 463 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: if it were a Republican who had people gathering to 464 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: boo him like that, it would be something that you 465 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: would see everywhere. It would become part of the narrative 466 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: of the news events of the day. But somehow we 467 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: are supposed to believe that Joe Biden is the beloved 468 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, as as voted for president in the history. 469 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: He's the most voted for president of the country. Everyone 470 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: thinks he's a steady hand, everyone thinks he's uniting, and 471 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: we all just see man the emperor knowledgies. You have 472 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: no clothes, He's wandered around, you know, wear him my pants, 473 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: angry Joe Biden styles. It's so unfortunate that we've ended 474 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: up in this situation. It was imminently predictable, and they 475 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: manage the Democrats did to hide Joe Biden while arguing 476 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: that they were trying to be safe with COVID going on, 477 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: They stung him in the basement because, I mean, really, 478 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: think about if COVID doesn't happen, Joe Biden is your 479 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: presumptive Democratic nominee in March of twenty twenty, and he 480 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: has to go on the road March April, May, June, July, August, September, October, 481 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: eight months of campaigning on the road. First of all, 482 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have made it right physically, I don't think 483 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: he would have made it. But if they had kept 484 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: him on the road for eight months, buck it would 485 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: have been impossible to disguise the mental decrepitude that he 486 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: was dealing with, and it would have been so self 487 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: evident to everyone. And the Democrats knew it. And they 488 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: got fortunate in the context of being able to use 489 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: COVID as an excuse if there wasn't COVID. What what's 490 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, they're gonna he was gonna yell about, 491 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, yell about Russia, and he was gonna yell 492 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: about you know, Trump's mean, twenty Lives Matter still probably yeah, 493 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean, but but they weren't going to be able 494 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: to say what that the economy was booming, The economy 495 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: was fantastic, lowest unemployment, rased unemployment. I mean, we're at peace. 496 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: We hadn't been hit by a big terrorist attack in 497 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: four years. I mean, the Trump COVID was other than 498 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: the new narratives, just mostly fabricated narratives about things like 499 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: Russia and all the rest of it. They didn't really 500 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: have an area of effective attack. So it's a shame 501 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: that this was the you know, the the hand of 502 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: cards that the country was was dealt at this point 503 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: in time because in the year that it happened, which 504 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: is awfully convenient too. Yes, yes, indeed, absolutely so we'll 505 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: come back into more this SUPs. We've got some updates 506 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: for you on Blincoln's testifying up up on Cappa Hill 507 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: to the Senate, and he's just he's just there to get, 508 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, verbally fillated for a while. I mean, they're 509 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: just they're just giving him the rough stuff, which he 510 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: completely deserves. But he's not gonna He's not gonna resign, 511 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you that much, folks. He's not gonna 512 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: step down. I don't. I don't think although man mc 513 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: cuomo resigned. So you know, I guess that anything is 514 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: possible these days, but I think it's very, very unlikely. 515 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: But you know, someone who heard us talking about Legacy Box, 516 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: the EIB sponsor who digitally transfers old family videos and 517 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: tapes and movies, shared a thought with us this week. 518 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Of all the only keepsakes a family member might hold onto, 519 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: being able to replay a twenty five year old videotape 520 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: and here's someone's voice and see their smile again is 521 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: the most stirring, really the most emotionally charged. 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Go sign up today legacybox 546 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: dot com slash clay for forty percent off legacybox dot 547 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: com slash Clay. Welcome back to the Clay Tramison Buck 548 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: Section Show. This is Buck. You know we've got some 549 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: from news breaking. It's from Bob Woodward book, but we'll 550 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: be talking about it in just a few minutes. Here. 551 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: It's essentially making the claim, which seems certainly plausible, that 552 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: there were secret discussions between then Chairman of the Joint 553 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: Chiefs of Staff Millie and his counterpart in the People's 554 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: Liberation Army of China, effectively creating a back channel of 555 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: communication to let them know that don't worry, Trump's not 556 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: going to there won't be a war with China because 557 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: we won't allow Trump to declare war on China. That's 558 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: essentially what the allegations now Bob Woodward books. There's a 559 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: lot of people that criticize them, I think rightly when 560 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: it comes to things like, oh, the people who come 561 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: out looking good in them tend to be people that 562 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: were probably sources for them. And then there's a whole 563 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of very convenient reconstruction of dialogue, down to the 564 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: very words used without actual recordings of these things. Well, 565 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: we should come back into it. Don't admit it, because 566 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: it does strike me as credible and as plausible. But first, 567 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: Blinklin is getting the rough stuff up on Capitol Hill 568 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: from Algin's rightly so, especially because I think no one 569 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: really believes that Joe Biden was a commander in chief 570 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: who was closely managing what was happening with the withdrawal 571 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: from Afghanistan. That it was likely some of his subordinates 572 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: who were doing it, and I would guess trying to 573 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: keep a lot of it play away from Biden so 574 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: that he wasn't gonna mess things up even more. Remember 575 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Barack Obamas said, never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to blank 576 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: to active years ago. Yeah, that was when he was 577 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, sharp as attack compared to now. Yes, but 578 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: we have the blinking testimony on the Hill. I think 579 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: it's so interesting too. He was doing it remote. I 580 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: think he's remote again today. Remote so he can get 581 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: to the Hampton's Clay but not to Capitol Hill. Very interesting. Yeah, 582 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, you know, I thought Bill Himmer 583 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: made a good point. He's like, wait a minute, there 584 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: are you know, basically millions of people going to college 585 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: football games and NFL games and we can't have a 586 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: guy I go to Capitol Hill and testify in person. 587 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: I testified in person in March, I mean, you know, 588 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, Like, maybe find a way to 589 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: do that. It would be just a suggestion. And I'll 590 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: tell you this. I've spoken to some of the people 591 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: that I respect in the national security and counter terrorism 592 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: analysis side of things, which basically means no one who 593 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: goes on CNN because I know they're all they're all buffoons. 594 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: But in other places in the media, I've checked in 595 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and they agree with me that it is almost certain 596 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, it is highly highly likely 597 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration took a whole victory lap about 598 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: stopping a massive terror attack against our soldiers and civilians. Again, 599 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: in Cobble, they actually blew up an entirely innocent AID worker, 600 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: seven members of his family children in the car. Senator 601 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: Ran Paul, who was willing to ask the tough questions 602 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: posed or really say the tough words, said this to 603 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: blink in today the guy the Biden administration droned, was 604 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: he an AID worker or an isis K operative. The 605 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: administration is of course reviewing that that strike, and I'm 606 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: sure that a you know, full assessment will be will 607 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: be for you don't know if it was an AID 608 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: worker or an isis K operative. I can't speak to that, 609 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: and I can't speak to that in the setting in 610 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: any event, So you don't know or won't tell us. 611 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, because we're reviewing it. Well, see, 612 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: you think you'd kind of know before you off somebody 613 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: with a predator drone, whether he's an AID worker or 614 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: he's an isis k wow. I mean that's a pretty 615 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: big deal. Play. It's a pretty big deal because it 616 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: wasn't just like a strike among many. This was the 617 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: Biden team showing their command know how much in control 618 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: they were and how much they were able to protect Americans. 619 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: And if you haven't paid attention to this story, we 620 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday, came out on Friday. Credit to 621 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: the New York Times for writing it. The Washington Post 622 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: has also written a version of this. The evidence certainly suggest, 623 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: as you just heard Brand Paul ask, that the guy 624 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: we essentially vaporized with a drone was hoping to come 625 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: to America and was basically a charity worker in Afghanistan. 626 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: And not only did we kill him, as Buck said, 627 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: we killed seven kids in his family, young kids in 628 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: his family. I think it's ten people overall, Buck, And 629 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: again I would encourage you guys to go read about 630 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: that article. It's about Biden trying to show his competence 631 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: and how much in control in standing up to terrorist 632 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: he's willing to do, and instead it sounds like we 633 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: just vaporized a totally inno s Advandon his family Clay. 634 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: It never added up. Oh, they just so happened to 635 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: have surveillance on the one guy who was the suicide 636 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: bombing car. The svbied, that's how good our intel on 637 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: the ground in Afghanistan. We didn't know the whole country 638 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: was gonna collapse and the TALIBANMA was gonna roll up 639 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand on paper. Afghan national security forces we 640 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: had no idea about that. But we can find the 641 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: one guy who's building the suicide car bomb to kill 642 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: our people when we're under a tight deadline or chaos, 643 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: and give me I was in the CIA. No way, 644 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: no way, man. It just never had it up. They 645 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: never would give us a name either. They said, oh, 646 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: trust us. Basically we took this guy. People were like, okay, 647 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: who was it? What was the significance? And they never 648 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: gave a name. And now all this data is coming 649 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: out and you held nervous blanket. Wasn't that answer? There 650 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: were two strikes. They didn't give us the names. The 651 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: guys they hit an eastern Nangar province, as they said, 652 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: were the facilitators. This was the imminent suicide bomb in 653 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: a striker and they blew up an innocent guy in 654 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: his family. You're listening to, Clay Travis said buck sex 655 00:36:52,960 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: to fund the EIB Network fe