WEBVTT - Witness or Defendant 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.120 Last time on ear witness, I believe I. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.120 Got a phone call from someone in the room saying 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.680 they heard gunshots. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.520 Boom, small caliber gun. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.720 They want a big caliber boom. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.599 About the second time myself been with them, that was 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:27.000 a gun. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.400 When you got a definite share of killed over here. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:36.960 It's high profile and people are expecting things out here. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.879 Tavarra Junica. I remember he was pushing a Drinka's four 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:42.560 in the wheelchair. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:43.360 They came together. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:45.120 I had saw too far. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.839 Was pushing Adrika's in the club. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.840 Me and one of my girlfriends they had named Katanya, 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.000 Me and hr and two two guys are supposed to hook. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:58.560 Up that night. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:00.640 One is twenty one. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.080 They called him Dre. He's in a wheelchair. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.800 Not only do you want somebody in custody? The captain 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.360 is telling in the liew townt we need to get 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.759 this done. The sheriff is telling the captain, we need 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:12.760 to get this done. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.679 I think he taking hand. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:16.800 How was there. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.560 And we went there? 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:21.440 So what she's saying? 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.200 She was there and I was there. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.600 That's a life, that's a lot. That's a shame. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.720 When police come looking for ar dregas Ford, his mom 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.240 calls Richard Jeffy, who had helped them in the past. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.480 Ar Dregas was in a wheelchair, as you know, and 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.600 his mother brought him over to the lions Den to 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.720 the Sheriff's department. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.400 Jeffy's a trial lawyer, and he looks like one, but 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.040 not in a slick way. He's slender in a rumpled 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:09.079 suit with gray hair and glasses. The day Ardregas went 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.880 to the Sheriff's office for questioning. Jaffy is just beginning 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.320 a trial in a different case, but before he goes 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.000 to court that day, he gets a phone call from 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:20.720 the Sheriff's office. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.519 I was called by a Deputy Blanton and he said, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.400 I heard that you were representing Ardregas Ford and I went, yes, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.119 I was just contacted by the family, but I don't 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.799 know anything about the case. And he said, well, look, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.880 he's just a witness. I mean, he just knows stuff. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.840 And I knew Deputy Blanton, and I believed if he 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.520 had information involving a police shooting, I wanted to help, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:54.040 and Ardregus did too, and against my best judgment, I 0:02:54.120 --> 0:03:03.600 allowed Ardragas to be interviewed by and several other Jefferson 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.760 County detectives. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.160 So our Dregus is questioned alone while his attorney, Jaffe, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:11.519 heads to the courthouse. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.200 Perhaps around four thirty or five when we broke, I 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.919 found out that Ardregis was still there, so he'd been 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.320 there all day, like maybe nine hours, and I was 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:31.160 extremely distraught, so I hurried over there. It was just 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.680 across the street, and when I got into the very 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:40.600 large room, it was buzzing with detectives and police officers, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.080 and you could feel the tension was It was enormous 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.640 amount of tension. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.320 There in the crowd of police officers and detectives. Jaffe 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.960 notices Jefferson County's district attorney, a man named David Barber. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.000 He's in charge of all state prosecutions in Alabama's law 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.520 or just jurisdiction, and is working with police in the 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:09.040 Deputy Hardy murder investigation. When Jeffie sees Barber, he walks 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.000 over to him and. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:16.000 I said, what's going on with our Dragus And David said, well, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.000 we know he was there and he's not telling us 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.560 the truth, so we're going to charge him. He can 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.600 either be a witness or a defendant. I said, well, 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.039 what are you saying, and he said, just that witness 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:29.600 are defendant. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.480 It's his choice. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.760 The choice detectives are giving our dragis either he gives 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.800 them information about Hardy's murder or he'll be charged with 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:40.279 a crime. 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.440 If I had any idea that they thought he was there, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:52.440 I nor any lawyer would allow their client in any case, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.159 especially we're a definitely case. It's being interviewed by law enforcement. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.240 They just wouldn't allow it. Frankly, I felt a little 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.760 inept and a little foolish, as well as a little deceived. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:06.840 And I said, well, what can I do to help? 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.320 And he said, we'll go in there and get him 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.200 to tell the truth. And I said, well, then you're 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.560 going to have to give him immunity. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:19.320 According to Jeffy, David Barber offers ar Dregas immunity from 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.560 prosecution in exchange for naming to Forrest as the shooter. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.840 Jeffy says, Barber hand writes the immunity agreement on a 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.720 piece of paper and gives it to him. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.480 David's word was good with me. And I walked into 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.239 a little office where Ardregas was in his wheelchair sitting there. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.440 Didn't look happy, certainly, wasn't happy with me at all, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.800 and I said, what's going on? And he said they 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.279 were screaming at me, and they made me tell the 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.520 story over and over and over again, and even tell 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:57.440 it backwards. And I said, well, this is an immunity agreement. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.360 Maybe we should talk about it. And he reads it 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.000 and he said, said, so they want me to lie. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:08.479 He said, look, mister Jaffy, I wasn't there, and I've 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.120 got a dozen or more alibi witnesses that will testify 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.080 to that I know nothing about it. Zero. I said, okay, 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.719 well they think that you're not a shooter, but you 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.039 were there, and they think to Forrest is the shooter. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.360 And he looked at me and he said, listen, I'm 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.600 not going to lie for anybody. To Forrest and I 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:36.080 are close, but we're not that close. He's not family. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.080 I would happy to give to Forrest up in a heartbeat, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.880 except it would be a lie. And I'm not gonna lie. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.760 That never happens, even on a theft case, even on 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.159 a possession of marijuana case, even on a hubcap case. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:57.440 Everybody flips sadly enough to save themselves. Yeah, he said, 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.440 no way, not gonna lie. I said, all right, well 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.840 they're going to take you to jail. They're going to 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.800 wheel you to jail, and they're going to charge you 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.359 with capital murder, which is death penalty offense. And he goes, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.040 I wasn't there. Tell him to take me to jail, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.680 and they did. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.000 The next day, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office announces formal 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.920 charges in the murder of Deputy Bill Hardy. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.280 Charged with capital murder of a law enforcement officer our 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.600 twenty two year old tor Forrest Johnson, twenty one year 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.240 old are Dragis Ford, twenty three year old Ohman Berry, 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.240 and twenty one year old Quinn Tes Wilson. They are 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:42.720 held without bond. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.200 All four people charged with capital murder are young black men. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.680 Based on the changing stories of Yolanda Chambers, detectives believe 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.800 at least six people were in the parking lot behind 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:02.280 the hotel when Hardy was Shotlanda and Latanya to Forrest 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:07.040 and Ardregis, and the two other people Yolanda identified in photos, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.840 Omar Barry and Quintez Wilson. The headline and the Birmingham 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:17.440 News reads police confident they got right men and deputy 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:23.480 slaying sounds like an open and shut investigation, but pull 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.400 back the curtain or in this case, open up the 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:52.199 investigative file and the inner workings tell a different story. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:59.920 Do you he my man? 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:00.320 It is. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:14.800 Lab hads ma be sorrow dep re list. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:24.240 In this bas both tears. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.760 I want to see. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:44.960 Revelation. I want to know who you A'm retional in 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:59.240 thisspiration to the wood. Who's holding? Start to the Who's holding? 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:11.880 I'm Beth Shelburn. This is ear witness Chapter four, Witness 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:19.520 or defendant the tactic the state uses with Ardregis telling 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.199 him he can either be a witness or a defendant. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:27.360 Detective Tony Richardson repeats it over and over during Deputy 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:28.720 Hardy's murder investigation. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.760 You are in a position now to be one of 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:32.400 two things. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.360 Okay, you can either be a witness or. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.480 You can be a defendant. You know, you can either 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.040 be a witness or you can be a defendant. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.560 Can only be either a witness or you can be 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.320 a defendant. Okay, it's your choice, you make it. You 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.560 tell me what you want to do. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.640 One of the people Tony Richardson uses this tactic on 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.440 is Yolanda Chamber's friend Latanya Henderson, who is in the 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.880 car with DeForest Ardregis and Yolanda, the night Deputy Hardy 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:03.480 was killed. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.760 Datanya, I am working a homicide, okay, And in working 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.280 this homicide, people have choices. It's choice whether you want 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.920 to be a witness or you want to be a defendant. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.800 Latanya is sixteen years old. She's in high school and 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.200 lives with her mother and brother. And as she's questioned 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.079 about the knight of the murder, she's alone in the 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.079 room with detectives, no lawyer, no parent present. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.520 I'm not saying anything to entice you to say something. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.480 You tell me what was the truth, and you tell 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.000 me that's the truth, and I'm gonna take it like that. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.040 But I do want you to know that some people 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.280 are going to be witnesses. Some are going to be defendants. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.160 Defendants going to jail. Okay. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.280 Now, after giving Latania this choice, Detective Richardson asks her 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:53.640 where she was that night? 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.600 Were you at NIA or around at hotel when this 0:11:58.800 --> 0:11:59.920 officer was shot? 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.680 No, sir, okay, And you've never been there before. No, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:04.200 I haven't. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.160 And you have no independent knowledge of what happened to 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.040 this office. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:10.400 No I haven't. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.199 Despite being told she's a suspect and a murder Latania 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.080 does not change her story, but she also doesn't seem 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.000 to understand the rules of the game detectives are playing. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.520 She asks Detective Richardson to explain, that's a. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:34.960 Question, is defendent of someone's charged with the crime? Well? No, no, no, no, defendant? 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:35.040 No? 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.160 All right, so you want to. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.400 Be Latanya has to ask what it means to be 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.760 a defendant, then says she doesn't want to be charged 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.200 with the crime. At one point, Richardson stops the tape 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.480 like he's done in Yolanda's interviews, and restarts it after 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.560 a five minute break. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.400 You know what the crown starney isn't Would you know 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:58.160 it if you saw it? 0:12:58.679 --> 0:12:58.760 No? 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.320 I have never seen it. I have nothing. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.480 Were you in any hotel parking lot that night where 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.440 shots were fire? 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:05.120 You know? 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.319 Okay, this sort of Tony rich and justin kind of 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.840 shares shot at the time, it's three fifty pm. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.600 This is going to conclude this interview. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.640 In a lot of the interviews that you did in 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:25.800 this case, you and Sergeant Salter presented a choice. You 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.959 can be a witness or you can be a defendant. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.120 Tell me about presenting that to somebody that you're interviewing. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.240 That seems like a lot of pressure to put on someone. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.760 Well, at certain times you have to put pressure on somebody. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.560 That's just a that's just a strategy. That's that's just an. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.160 Investigative too, that's that. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:44.199 That's nothing. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.760 So I look at you and I say, look, you 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.320 can either be a witness. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.480 Or you can be a defendant. It's up to you. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:53.360 And that's the truth. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.600 What if the person is neither a witness nor a 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.400 defendant in the case, though. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.440 Well, sometimes you say that trying to determine if they 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.840 are witness or defendant, you know, particularly if you don't know, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.640 and if they continue to maintain I know nothing, at 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.680 some point I'm gonna say, okay, I got you. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.280 But for Latania, there was never an okay, I got 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.920 you from investigators. Even though she explains she doesn't know 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.200 anything about the crime, detectives follow through with their threat 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:39.000 and make her a defendant. One month after Tony Richardson 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:45.320 questions Latania, the state charges her with hindering prosecution in Alabama. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:50.240 That's a felony at sixteen years old. Police take Latania 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.360 Henderson to adult jail, where she stays for five months. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.880 You know, Latania Henderson. I mean, even if she had 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:06.800 been there. Yeah, even Iflanda's story was true. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:11.080 What she had defendant on, you know, what has she done? 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.080 This is Derek Drennan, a lawyer who worked with Richard 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.480 Jeffy in representing Ardregis. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.080 Ford, and I don't know. I think they charged with 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:27.160 hindering prosecution, maybe because because basically she wasn't telling the 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.720 lies that Yolanda was telling. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.160 A few years later, Latania says that she was hysterical 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.359 when they took her to jail, desperate to get detectives 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.960 to believe her. She says that she suffered from stress 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:52.800 and lost too much weight. I really wanted to talk 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.080 to Latanya to hear how this experience shaped her, and 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.920 we tried for months to track her down, looking on doors, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:06.320 calling possible numbers, combing social media, but we never could connect. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.160 I was able to talk to her uncle, Herman Henderson, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.720 a pastor in Birmingham. He told me Latania and Yolanda 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.320 had been friends since they were babies, but this case 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:23.479 ended their friendship and Latanya was scarred by the entire experience. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:30.640 Her trust in other people eroded. Yolanda Chambers and Latanya 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.920 Henderson made different choices when faced with threats from police. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.800 There's a damned if you do, damned if you don't 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:44.640 dynamic and how they were each impacted. Yolanda became a 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:49.600 witness for detectives, avoiding jail time during Hardy's murder investigation, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.400 but entered a pattern of exploitation that may have led 0:16:54.440 --> 0:17:00.760 to her murder. Latanya became a defendant for telling the truth. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.480 She didn't have any information to give, and detectives sent 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:13.320 her to jail. Both Yolanda and Latanya ended up traumatized 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:19.159 and hurt. And as I think through how detectives treated 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.600 these witnesses and the suspects of Harty's murder, I keep 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.600 coming back to this one thing that Tony Richardson. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.680 Said, The best thing that a person probably can do 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.159 for themselves that's suspected of a crime is do not 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.480 talk to the bout pace period. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.760 Now that's really interesting coming from a retired detective. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:42.080 But that's the truth. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.040 Detectives are moving ahead with the theory of the crime 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.280 that Yolanda Chambers gives them and her interrogations, even though 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:17.199 the theory isn't supported by what hotel witnesses saw and 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.840 heard the night of the murder. So what were detectives missing, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:27.520 what evidence was available? And was there anything else they 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.720 should have looked at but didn't because they decided to 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:35.720 stick with Yolanda as their key witness. Let's back up 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:40.720 to the moment Hardy was shot. We know officers began 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:46.399 their investigation by talking to hotel guests actual confirmed witnesses 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.679 who were staying at the Crown Sterling Suites. Several people 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.440 heard the shots and looked out their window right after 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:59.200 it happened, like Marshal Kelly Cummings the Keebler Cookie Guy. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.119 Following the interview with mister Marshall Kelly Cummings, mitter Collens 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.200 is in polled by Kedler. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.320 This interview was recorded about two and a half hours 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:15.120 after Hardy was shot. Cummings says he saw someone get 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.440 into a car and drive away from the hotel right 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.359 after he heard the shots fired. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.480 Immediately seen the savend shot wrung out. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.360 I pulled the cartain back and looked out and that's 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.320 when I saw the car down below me. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.560 I saw the a person. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.240 Cummings says he saw the person close the driver's side door. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.120 I looked at closing witch door the driver shot. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.760 He saw a copper colored or light brown car with 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.639 a vinyl top, slowly back out of the parking spot 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.320 and drive away with the headlights off. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.480 But you think it was a dark copper or like browd, Yes, sir. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.040 And there was another witness in a different hotel room 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.320 who also looked out his window after he heard the shots. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.239 All right, we heard a shot. I jumped up. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.119 I actually a doorged in my head out. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.959 The night of the murder, Leon Calvin was staying in 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.639 room six' eleven with his Wife. Annie the two of 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.679 them were in. Bed he was WATCHING tv and she 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:27.040 was reading the. Newspaper they heard the first shot And 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.280 leon Told annie he thought it was a car. Backfiring 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.080 he heard a. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.120 Shot. Bang tell me how long after is? 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:35.200 It? 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:35.959 Bang? 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.159 Bang, okay so Just i'll second or so. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.560 Yeah after the second, Shot calvin went to the window 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:46.680 to see what was going. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.240 On seeing a. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.120 Car down by the bag of the, motel. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.320 He walked up, beside came round in front of the 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.119 car and got in the. 0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:00.240 Car calvin's description of the car and what the car 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.880 did is it left the parking lot matches the details 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:05.080 given By Marshall. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.680 CUMMINGS i told him it was there was a dog 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:14.000 colored gold all brown with a kind of maroon looking 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:14.840 top with a sun. 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:20.320 Roping Both cummings And calvin say the car was a 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.880 four door, brown gold or copper sedan with a maroon. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:29.840 Top that's so. Specific they both say it was the 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.400 only car leaving the parking lot right after shots were. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:40.960 Fired what these witnesses saw doesn't match the theory of the, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:49.240 murder detectives go with. Manicolo ardregis describes his car to 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.240 detectives the day he's. Arrested he was driving a two 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.719 door black nineteen seventy One Monte. Carlo we'll call it Blood. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.480 End he had installed Flow master, mufflers so it made a, 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:04.640 loud rumbling. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:06.640 SOUND i got like flow. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.720 Mass you got these Floor masters? 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:16.240 Loud, okay people could Hear ardregas's car coming from blocks 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:20.399 away To forest tells detectives that when they picked Up, 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.200 latanya they actually waited for her in an alley because 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.600 they didn't want to wake up the entire. House But 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.120 calvin And cummings say that the light brown or copper 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.959 colored car quietly drove out of the parking, lot and 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.439 there's an even bigger discrepancy not. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.399 Do i'll grove a door on. 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:48.879 Over the driver's side door On ardregas's very loud Black 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:54.520 Monte carlo was. Broken it did not, open Ar dregas 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.800 and to forst tell this to Detectives Dreda. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.919 Domo At Duel delt the driver doom went. 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:09.440 Off investigators impounded Are dregis's car and confirmed the driver's 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:14.320 side door didn't. Open Detective Tony richardson would later testify to, 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:19.480 this but Both calvin And cummings say that someone got 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.560 in the driver's side of the car and quietly drove. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.240 AWAY i seen. 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.639 Him he walked from the patent's side round in front 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.720 of the car to the driver side the. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:36.320 Gadion there were other guests at the hotel who spotted 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.560 cars leaving the area around this, time but their descriptions 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:45.720 were all. Different the only consistent descriptions of the getaway 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:51.040 car came From cummings And, calvin two people who went 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.879 to their hotel room windows after hearing shots and looked 0:23:54.920 --> 0:24:03.040 down into the parking. Lot the investigative file shows that 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.159 police tried to find the car seen By calvin In, 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.439 cummings But Tony richardson would eventually tell a grand jury 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.480 the search was a wild goose, chase and that the 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:24.679 car didn't. Exist and there's something even more significant about 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.960 this other hotel, Witness Leon. Calvin he gives police a 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.640 basic description of the. Man he saw five foot, ten 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.960 medium build who got into the car and drove. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:43.280 Away, yeah a black and white driver shirt and it 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:44.520 looked like he had count. 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:45.920 Be catty the. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:50.720 Summer calvin describes the man as wearing a black and 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:55.640 white shirt and khaki or cream. Pants this is the 0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:01.320 only physical description given of a potential, suspect but detectives 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:07.600 decide That calvin isn't a, Witness he's a. Defendant AS 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.639 i dig, DEEPER i learn That Detective Tony richardson And 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.760 Leon colvin are, cousins and in the first week of the, 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:21.560 Investigation richardson decides That colvin is hiding. Something we have. 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:22.520 Talked with several. 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.480 People people we have talked to have have indicated that 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:27.040 you do know. 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:33.040 More calvin gives detectives multiple statements about what he heard and, 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.719 saw And Tony richardson interrogates him for hours about his 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.800 movements inside the hotel the night of the, murder insisting 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:42.960 That calvin was. 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:48.639 Involved if you tell us one thing and it's not. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.359 Accurate if we know that you know, different and you 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.119 can be charged with the. Crime, okay just show you a. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:26:01.000 Note Tony richardson Shows Yolanda chambers four photo of possible. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.679 Suspects yolanda picks out the photo Of Leon calvin and 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.119 says he was involved in the alleged drug deal behind 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:10.440 the hotel When hardy was. 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.800 Killed loud of that, light, upset you were standing right 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:15.840 there when the man was. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:22.399 Shot Leon calvin is charged with hindering prosecution and taken to. 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:24.360 Jail, well my. 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.360 Most, HEY i aint did did? 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:27.199 HIM i ain't did? 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.920 NONE i did? HIM i did did? 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:31.760 HIM i did. 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:41.600 Him police press ahead With ardregis into forrest as two 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:45.560 of their main, suspects even though there is no record 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:50.320 of any hotel witness describing a loud two door Black 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:54.199 Bonnie carlo leaving the scene or a man in a. 0:26:54.200 --> 0:27:08.280 Wheelchair there's another clue in the file that jumps out at. 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.800