1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders. Tom Pellisero, Judy Batista, and 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport. If you're catching this on the podcast, this 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: is part two on this Monday. It doesn't matter. You 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: can listen to them in either particular order. If you're 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: on the NFL channel, If you are catching this and 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: a variety of other platforms, you've been here already. We 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: appreciate you sticking around. Let's talk more about the Jacksonville Jaguars, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: a team that has been through a lot of different 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: things over the past decade. If you think about the 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: arc of the Jaguars, they were in the AFC Championship 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Game eight years ago with Doug Moron and Blake Bortles. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: They are very close to winning that game in New 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: England and going to a Super Bowl. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: That regime ends up on Gilmour fingertip away. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: You are that close to being a super Bowl team 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: with Blake Bortles. Then a couple of years later, that 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: part blows up. You make the heralded hire of Urban 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Meyer that lames out spectacularly, bringing Don Peterson. Quick build, 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: get into the playoffs, win a playoff game, and that 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: remarkabile come back over the Chargers then a slow burn 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: as that comes out. Here we are. This is three 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: regime changes later that you get to Liam Cohen now 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: taking over as the head coach judy of the Jaguars. 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: I think even in your wildest dreams, I don't think 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: that you anticipate the Jaguars being this good, this fast. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: No, And part of that is because Trevor Lawrence is 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 3: now now looks like I mean, I remember when Trevor 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: Lawrence was coming out of college. This is what we 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: thought Trevor Lawrence was going to be, and they finally 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: unlocked it. He's playing in the last few weeks almost 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: flawless football. 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Right. 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: He's not throwing interceptions, He's just all he does is 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: just throw a touchdown passes. Sometimes he runs for a 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: touchdown too, So he's playing really well. The defense is 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: really good, and I love the edge Liam Cohen has, 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: which I know sounds better Nanas. 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: But like because he's great, but it's great. 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: Like I love that he was mad at Robert Sala 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: earlier this season, and now I love that he's chippy 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: about Sean Payton, who probably was trying to. 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Pay no. 43 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: Of course, not no way. 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: You know, small market. 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: And I love that liam Cohene is like a small 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: market bristling up. 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: By the way, Jacksonville tenth largest media market in the country, 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: so huge. 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: It's a huge population area, too, huge population center. 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: Anyway. Uh it does feel small, yeah, flying like it's small. 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: Okay, look at the population figures for the Jacksonville area anyway, 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 3: come with me with your facts. Okay, awesome, Okay, exactly 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: what you want to hear from a reporter anyway. I 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: I love everything about how the Jaguars are functioning right 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: now and Trevor Lawrence has been. I'm so happy for 56 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: him because I think until this you really wondered if 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: he was ever going to reach what we thought Trevor 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: Lawrence was going to be in the NFL. 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: Right and even. 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Earlier this season before the bye, I was sort of 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: like like, in my head, you're sort of thinking, I 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: mean thinking of like off season storylines. 63 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: It's like, what are the Jaguars going to do? 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: He's ripping it right, Like, this is the best Trevor 65 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: Lawrence we've seen since Clemson and with the last whatever 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: it's been four games during this hot streak, I mean, 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: he's playing at a really, really high level, which if 68 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: you can do that particularly in a division where you know, 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: some of the quarterback plays been up and down this season. 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't surprise anybody at the Jaguars are at the 71 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: top of that division. What is surprising me and is 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: right now if they're on the precipice of maybe potentially 73 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: being the number one seed. That part is the shock. 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, there's so many interesting things. 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: First of all, like, you know, I haven't talked to 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: him a little bit, but I assume Trent Balky is 77 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: doing an exaggerated I roll with the team that he built, 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: watching them just be awesome with really good coaching, you know, 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: like and they've made some additions to Kobe Myers, but 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: like basically the team. I mean that the guy they 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: traded a lot of draft picks for has barely played 82 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: this year, and when he has he was just okay. 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: That's an undersold part of this. Travis Hunters, who was 84 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: this year's and next year's first round pick, it played 85 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: what half the season before he got hurt and was 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: not super impactful during that time. 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: Right, And so this is the team that Trent Balky 88 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 4: built and always thought would be good enough with good coaching, 89 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: and he just never got to see it. Out Now 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: he did get multiple contracts extensions, so that's cool. But 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: like that part is interesting. The other thing is Liam 92 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: Cohen wears all of this. He was mad at the 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: Broncos for outing them as the other team and the 94 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: Devon Veley trade which was supposed to be private because 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: they're trying to trade for another receiver, which they eventually did, 96 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: which Tom broke, and he was mad at him for 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 4: the small market quip and used it in a way 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: that Sean Payton fully appreciated. 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: It was ultimate Sean Payton. 100 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: It was like, I'm gonna take this a little bit 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 4: and I got to use this my rally and cry 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: and then when we finally win, we're gonna take it 103 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 4: and we're gonna shove it somewhere. 104 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: And it was perfect. And there's a lot of things 105 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: about being a good coach, but taking the little things 106 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: and getting your team galvanized around it was pretty awesome. 107 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: And they're they're good and like, yes, for a small 108 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: market team, they don't get a lot of attention. I 109 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: don't see why they don't have a shot at this thing, 110 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: and that is and that's pretty fun. 111 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 3: Well, they just took down a team, the team that 112 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: we thought was the best team in the NFC in 113 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: one of the hardest places in the league to play, 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: you know, pretty comfortably. They were in control of that 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: game all day. So yeah, anything is possible. 116 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: The Chargers also red hot right now. I don't think 117 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: that ian. You know, year two with Jim Harbaugh, anybody 118 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: should be surprised. But you know, if it's possible to 119 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: be a quiet eleven and four team playing in Los Angeles, 120 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: which is definitely not a small market, I would argue 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: fan base size. You can argue things like that, but 122 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: this is you know, a team that should be in 123 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: the spot like it. 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: Not that was a Peytons comments. 125 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: That's not a shot. I'm just saying they have a 126 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: reputation for other teams fans coming and filling the stadium 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: when they play against the Chargers. But Jim Harbaugh, the 128 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: moment he was hired, he made them extremely relevant, Judy. 129 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: They're playing at a really high level. Justin Herbert battling 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: through some of the injuries, he looks, you know, healthier. 131 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: Right now. They are going to have to deal, as 132 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: we're recording this podcast, with a potential two game suspension 133 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: for Denzel Paraman, their linebacker who hit Ryan Flournoy as 134 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: he was on the ground yesterday. Paaraman can appeal that, 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: but seems like he won't be on the on the 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: field for at least the near term here. But Judy, 137 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: the Chargers look like for all their injuries, let's remember 138 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: their offensive line is not their offense line. They're down 139 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: to like their fourth, fifth, sixth tackles, you know, no 140 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Joe Alt obviously, Nora Sean Slater the entire season. Uh, 141 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: They've been banged up in other positions, but they just 142 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: they keep finding a way running back as well. But 143 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: they just keep finding a way to press forward here 144 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: in Stack wins Well. 145 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: I actually think that the decimated offensive line is part 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: of the reason why they are the quiet team, because 147 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: I think most of us wrote them off thinking there 148 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: is no way you can overcome just your offensive line, 149 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: you know, being in an operating room essentially. So I 150 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: think that's why you sort of put them to the 151 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: side and didn't think about them much. And now all 152 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: of a sudden, I can't remember what they're seven of nine. 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: They've wanted something like that, and here they are at, 154 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: you know, eleven and four. The other reason I think 155 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: that they get overlooked is because we pay so much 156 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: attention to the Chiefs, and then the Broncos have been 157 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: so strong that you just sort of you've had the 158 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: Chargers over here a little bit. Having said that, any 159 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: team that has Justin Herbert playing the way he is 160 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: playing is a factor. And you saw what happens when 161 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: they can protect him. Now, it was the Cowboys, who 162 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: we've maybe talked a few minutes about their defense this season, 163 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: not the greatest, not the greatest, but he didn't get 164 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: sacked at all. That he barely got pressured. I mean, 165 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: they barely got anybody in his face at all. And 166 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: you saw what he does when they can protect him. 167 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: And so that now can they possibly do that when 168 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: you're going against elite pass rushes, which you're going to 169 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: face in the playoffs. I mean, they probably can't keep 170 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: them that clean, but I mean, if they could just 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: keep them upright more than you know, the games where 172 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: he's been sacked seven times or whatever, it is like 173 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: he is a dangerous quarterback. There's no question about it. 174 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: They are a dangerous team. 175 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: And I mean one of the best ways to keep 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 4: him fully healthy is to run the ball, which they 177 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: have Kimani Vidal did get injured. I'll tweet this soon 178 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: as we get done here, but sounds like a next strain, 179 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: probably dated, so I could miss some time. 180 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: But it's mostly okay. I think that is That is 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: good news. 182 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: But I just tweeted it. You don't need to bother. 183 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: Oh did a joke, that's Joe. 184 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to keep track of all these things. 185 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: They've gotten twenty five phone calls all taping this podcast. 186 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: It's tough to keep track of what's out there and 187 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: what is it? 188 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: All right, let me refocus your brain here because Saturday 189 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: on NFL Network, we have a absolutely huge game when 190 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: it comes to sorting out some of those things in 191 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: the playoff field Texans Chargers Saturday, four thirty pm Eastern Time, 192 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: one thirty Pacific on NFL Network. That could potentially impact 193 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: some of those things in terms of the seeding the Texans. 194 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: That was a weird game yesterday against a Raiders team 195 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that decided for the first time, and I don't know 196 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: how long to show up and be competitive, but Heuston 197 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: found a way to get a win. I just I 198 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: mean Ian sitting back and looking at this playoff field 199 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: right now, if I'm the Steelers or potentially of the Ravens. 200 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know who I want to face out of 201 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: that wildcard group. I don't I don't really feel great 202 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: about going up against any of those teams, although I 203 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: guess you'd say, just from an offensive firepower perspective, if 204 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: you had to pick one, it might be Houston. 205 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: I would rather not face Houston. 206 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: I mean to me, like, I don't know what seed 207 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: they're gonna be, but like almost nobody does what they do. 208 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: Like Justin Herbert is good, he's mobile, he's physically strong, 209 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 4: he's got a great arm, Like there are other quarterbacks 210 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: that do that. 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know, probably does. 212 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: It a little bit better, I would say, but like 213 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: I've seen that before and you could sort of game 214 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: play that Houston defense is suffocating and so like offensively 215 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: they do just enough, and like look, if CJ. Strids 216 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: is gonna play a get in the fourth quarter, then 217 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: they're gonna be a real problem. But if you say 218 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: to me, now, who gives you the most like upset 219 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: potential in the whole playoffs, Houston, to me is is 220 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 4: number one, because like you can't replicate and they ruin 221 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: everything you try to do. So you're you could win, 222 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: but you're going to win like seventeen fourteen, And that's 223 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 4: a challenge, especially for teams that I used to putting 224 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: up a lot of points. 225 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Judy, who do you got? All right? If it's one 226 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: of those teams, now, potentially that still could be the Jaguars, 227 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: depending how this thing plays out. Let's say you're picking 228 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: from those three teams right there, who is it? Do you? 229 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Who do you actually want to see? If you're let's 230 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: say the Steelers hosting the four or five game. 231 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: If I'm the Steelers, who do I want to see? 232 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: I guess I would say I want to see the Chargers. 233 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 3: And that's no disrespect intended to the Chargers, but I 234 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: you know, I look at Buffalo and all I see 235 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: is Josh Allen with his Superman cape on and so like, 236 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: no matter how much of a mess they are, I 237 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: just envisioning him saying like, Okay, I'll handle it and 238 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: take it from there. And then he takes the Bills 239 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: to a victory. And the Texans defense is so good, 240 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: even though the offense is concerning to me, you know 241 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: that they're so up and down, but the defense is 242 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: so good. I think they could just you know, screw 243 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: you up. No matter who they're going to play, I 244 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: definitely think they have the upset potential the Texans. So 245 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: I guess if I were the Steelers, I would say 246 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: I want the Chargers, And you would think to yourself, like, well, 247 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: they're not going to be able to keep Justin Herbert upright, 248 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: especially if TJ. Watt gets back on the field in 249 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: time for the playoffs. You know, like we'll be able 250 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: to get in Justin Herbert's face a little bit. Our 251 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: defense has been playing a little bit better. I guess 252 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: that's who I would want. Not not an enviable position though, 253 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: that's for sure. 254 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: And to bring this conversation full circle to the twenty 255 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: seventeen Jaguars. Their first round playoff game that year was 256 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: at home against the Bills. I believe the final score 257 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: was nine to six. Tyrod Taylor was the Bills quarterback 258 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: in the first year of. 259 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: The h That was what caused them to reboot right 260 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: because they were like the Bills shed salary in year two. 261 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: The Jaguars pushed all the way forward. They were a 262 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: really good team that year. I would can't give gambling 263 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: device on this show, but if you told me fifteen points. 264 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Give me the over in a remat. 265 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more. 266 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 5: I'm the inside. 267 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: As we record this, we did get an update on 268 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: the most significant injury to come out of the Sunday 269 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: of Week sixteen. Ian Lamar Jackson did not finish after 270 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: taking a need of the back. It didn't look that 271 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: bad in real time, but to hear John Harbaugh tell 272 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: it today, there seems to be real uncertainy about whether 273 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Lamar's can be ready to roll Saturday against the Packers. 274 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 5: Yeah. 275 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: John Harvard called it a serious contusion, which is like 276 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: saying a bad bruise, but in a lot bigger words. 277 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: But you know, it's sort of like when someone like 278 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: when someone has a deep thigh bruise, you're like, oh, 279 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: it's just a bruise, but like if you can't walk, 280 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: then it's not just a bruise. 281 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: Like it can be a real thing. 282 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: Lamar saying last night after the game that he took 283 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: a shot, like a numbing shot and still couldn't even throw. 284 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 4: You know, that's alarming, and I think obviously he wanted 285 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: to play. He was he was pretty pissed off. He 286 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: really never gets like that, but he was saying it's 287 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: bs just that he had to deal with it, and 288 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: I for sure don't blame him. 289 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: You know, he's day to day. You hope he would. 290 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: Play, but I think it's safe to say we just 291 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: we don't know, and we're gonna have to see, like 292 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,119 Speaker 4: is he able to get out there and practice on Tuesday, 293 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: because they have a right, yeah, they play Saturday, so 294 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: they have a short. 295 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Beaks at the calendar. Right, that's the first time ever. 296 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's ridiculous. 297 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: It's like it's Tuesday, but it feels like a Wednesday, 298 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 4: and then on Saturday it'll be Saturday, but it feels 299 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: like a Sunday, except it'll be Saturday anyway. So I 300 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: think it's okay, and they're against the Ropes for Shore 301 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: for sure, but we don't know whether they're gonna have 302 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: Lamar or not. 303 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: I mean, they can't win if Lamar doesn't play. Snoop. 304 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: Snoop is fine, but they're going against another team that 305 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: has to win the game, right, so you're not going 306 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: to get You're not gonna be able to sort of 307 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: stroll through this game, and you're going up against a 308 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: good defense. I you know, if Lamar doesn't play, I 309 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: don't give the Ravens much of a chance. This has 310 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: been a very off year for the Ravens anyway. Even 311 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: when Lamar has been playing, it just hasn't been right. 312 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: It's all been just sort of a tick off. Lamar 313 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: hasn't looked right the whole time. It just doesn't feel 314 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: like your year. Stacy was saying that about the Lions. 315 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: It just does not feel like the Ravens year. 316 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Even with Lamar. I wouldn't have liked this matchup from 317 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens perspective. And the Packers shut down the bears 318 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: high powered offense for the bulk of that game, if 319 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: not for a and then all of a sudden, obviously 320 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: the floodgates open. But barring a you know, mishandled on 321 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: side kick, you know, the Packers are winning that game 322 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: and they're in comfortable position. The Ravens have not been themselves, 323 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: and barring two wins plus two Steelers losses, they do 324 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: play Week eighteen, they're not making the playoffs. The Lions, 325 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: pending whatever happened these next two games, they need two 326 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: wins and two Packers losses to get it. They may 327 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: not make it. The Chiefs already haven't make it made it, 328 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: and now, Judy, we've got a Bucks team. That first 329 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: half of the season you looked and you're like, how 330 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: is anybody going to stop these guys? Now you watch 331 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: them right now and it's like they just they cannot 332 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: put together a winning performance. Even when Todd Bowles calls 333 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: the team to the carpet, they kind of come out 334 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: and look the same as they have for a couple 335 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: of months. 336 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: Here. 337 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: What is so concerning is they had focused so much 338 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: on when they finally get healthy, thinking when they finally 339 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: get healthy, they will get back to normal, the offense 340 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: will get back to normal, and they will surge into 341 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 342 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: And that has not happened. 343 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: They're as healthy and as intact offensively as they've been 344 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: all season, and it's still not working. They're turning the 345 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: ball over a lot the last however, many games with 346 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: Bakers throwing interceptions. It's just it's not as easy to 347 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: flip a switch on an offense as maybe you think, like, oh, 348 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: everybody's okay, we'll be back to normal. No, it doesn't 349 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: work that way. And I mean, the slide is just 350 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: it's unbelievable and it looks unstoppable to lose three straight 351 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: games in your division. Let's be perfectly on is this 352 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: is not a dominant division, so that that just tells 353 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: you everything you need to know about the Bucks. It's 354 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: it's ugly, ugly. 355 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 356 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 4: And still the crazy thing is, first of all, they 357 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 4: had a chance to win, I mean, the Baker Mike 358 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 4: Evans miscommunication at the end, but also like all they 359 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: need to do is win next week and then it's 360 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: win and in which I know seems crazy, but like 361 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 4: just get in right, So like all of that is true, 362 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: and I agree that it has not looked at all 363 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: like they imagine when they were trying. 364 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: To get healthy. But unbelievably, we'll probably still be watching 365 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: this next Sunday night and being like, all right, Bucks 366 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: Panthers winning in. 367 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: Well, same exercise we did on the AFC. All right, 368 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: if you're looking at the rest of the potential and 369 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: see wildcards, who if you're the buckshore of the Panthers, 370 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: are you going that's a favorable matchup for the Panthers? 371 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: You probably would go ahead and say, well, it's the 372 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: team you'd be facing the Rams, because we already beat 373 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: him at home once here. But that's a that's a 374 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: treacherous group of wildcard teams. Judy going into whoever ends 375 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: up clinching that number four seed. 376 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: List enough, I'm the Eagles. I'm not thrilled about having 377 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: to play one of those wildcard teams. And the Eagles 378 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: are going to be the three seed, presumably they'll stay 379 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: in that spot. 380 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, the wildcard. 381 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: Teams are nuts. It's a good look. 382 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: See it's right ego. I mean it would be great matchups. 383 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: If you're the Panthers, who do you want to see? 384 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you would take them. 385 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: Are we going to get the Packers again? 386 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 3: I mean that would be a matchup, and that would 387 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: be the matchup on That would be awesome. 388 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: And Hackers, I mean right penning these last couple of 389 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: games that very well could end up being the matchup 390 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: here tells. 391 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: The streets give us that, which is. 392 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Which is pretty wild. Hey, we got big games coming 393 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: up this week. We've got games on NFL Network, We've 394 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: got games on Netflix on Christmas. This is crunch time, man. 395 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: This is Week seventeen in the NFL. So many of 396 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: these games coming live in a nationally televised form. I 397 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: can't call it national TV because Netflix is you know 398 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: international streaming, right, I think it's international. I probably should 399 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: know that information at any rate. Tons of football, We 400 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: will be with you all this week leading up to 401 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: it as well, back on Tuesday night, seven pm Eastern 402 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: Time on NFL Network. You can catch us throughout the 403 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: week as well right here on the Insiders. Thanks for 404 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: being here, everybody, for my whoever be and Judie. I'm 405 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Tom steal I.