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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is the officials start to
Speaker 1: Patriots Week here on Mick Shots inside the SWBC podcast
Speaker 1: studio at Ford Center. At the start in Frisco, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola in some an alarming site
Speaker 1: as I walked into the podcast studio, Mickey Spagnola, because
Speaker 1: there were no football players, no football equipment on the
Speaker 1: practice field here. What are we doing? Are we taking
Speaker 1: the week off? What's going on right there? There are
Speaker 1: so common It's like, is there the two and three Patriots?
Speaker 1: Don't need to practice? It was raining? Don't say that's bag,
Speaker 1: Someone will take that out. Yeah it was what it
Speaker 1: was raining here this morning? Well, so do you think
Speaker 1: it might not rain in Foxborough? What was it? What
Speaker 1: happened the last time the Cowboys went to New England?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you want to mess up
Speaker 1: your practice trying to portray that rain. You can't fool them.
Speaker 1: Sun's out if you can believe the weather man, and
Speaker 1: it was supposed to in the weather women. And if
Speaker 1: you're gonna believe the weather, how you want to be
Speaker 1: the weather person. It was supposed to keep raining during
Speaker 1: the days. So you can see you don't believe him, right,
Speaker 1: because now the sun's coach out, but it's supposed to
Speaker 1: and even tomorrow, so they may be indoors both days. Okay,
Speaker 1: in in the Ford Center, So we are practicing. They
Speaker 1: are proud that I can give you a good practice report.
Speaker 1: All right, care to hear it? Just let me know
Speaker 1: when you were. It was just about an hour and
Speaker 1: a little over an hour ago. Or practice was open
Speaker 1: for the media to take a look inside Forward Center
Speaker 1: and we can get to that. And there's so much
Speaker 1: more to get to. We taped the Mike McCarthy show
Speaker 1: last night. I got some stuff from him to pass
Speaker 1: along as well. And I don't it's just a big week.
Speaker 1: When it's a Patriots, it's always a big week. I
Speaker 1: don't care what their record is. I do. I have
Speaker 1: to do another interview after the show. Bill let me
Speaker 1: know now so I can get my face on No no,
Speaker 1: you're good. We're good. Good. Yeah, where the Everson Walls
Speaker 1: Victory Tour continues. Actually, Trey Von Diggs, Actually I saw
Speaker 1: what I saw what was in the background. It was
Speaker 1: the highlight film of Everson Walls interceptions, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: during our show, instead of showing us, we'll just put
Speaker 1: that on the whole loop. Put it on a loop.
Speaker 1: Everyone that that's in the Hall of Fame that I
Speaker 1: think doesn't deserve to be there. They usually had a show, right. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you want to compare
Speaker 1: if mix shots can't compare to those shows that they all, Yes,
Speaker 1: it does because they were like you know, ESPNS and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. That's that's the whole key. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting into the Hall of Fame, you gotta have some
Speaker 1: some Uh what do you How do you think Lynn
Speaker 1: Swan got in so quickly? Oh? How we long? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, I got a little bunch of them.
Speaker 1: We can continue tomorrow. We're gonna have a list. Yeah
Speaker 1: I haven't now it's right here, right here, Walls list.
Speaker 1: You got to stay top of mine, all right. So
Speaker 1: you want to go inside practice and tell us what
Speaker 1: was going on? I will tell you. I think the
Speaker 1: most notable thing was it didn't look like Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: was gonna practice. It looks like he's got a sprain
Speaker 1: left ankle so that they felt the retaped them during
Speaker 1: the game, the Giants game, and so at the beginning
Speaker 1: of practice he was working on the resistance chords and
Speaker 1: it didn't look like he was in practice because he
Speaker 1: was in tennis shoes, all right, and I didn't see
Speaker 1: a helmet around right. Um, we'll get that report here.
Speaker 1: And a wide receiver got were hurt were injured on
Speaker 1: that particiar the same place, the same there. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so as a matter of fact, when he was doing
Speaker 1: some of the resistance stuff while he was waiting his
Speaker 1: turn to get on the chords, he was doing his
Speaker 1: little side steps and at one point he took his
Speaker 1: left shoe off. So I'm guessing it's his left hand,
Speaker 1: just you know, just from experience of looking at the
Speaker 1: way you look at it, it's hard to he fell
Speaker 1: on the back of his ankle, but what was stretched
Speaker 1: was the top of his ankle. Looked like that was,
Speaker 1: you know, really excited because he fell on the back
Speaker 1: of it, and it seemed like that's where the injury
Speaker 1: is probably on the on the top of it, so
Speaker 1: it looked like that he was not going to practice.
Speaker 1: But this is when McCarthy answered the question of the
Speaker 1: press conference. He just thought they would have to see
Speaker 1: a couple of guys what they go through, but he
Speaker 1: didn't think it was anything serious enough to keep them
Speaker 1: out on Sunday. Uh, Zeke started off to practice the
Speaker 1: same way, but he was dressed and ready to go.
Speaker 1: So were not going to be doing this down Bishop
Speaker 1: thing to where he's going to be injured a few games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, Bill Street. Yeah, uh so so Zeke. But
Speaker 1: Zeke did it. Uh. And then they had two guys
Speaker 1: that have been on ir with designated to return and
Speaker 1: they started their three week period today, Sean McEwan and
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. They were both out there doing uh uh
Speaker 1: individual drills during the special teams and fundamentals they did
Speaker 1: and then I think that was it for them. But
Speaker 1: at least they getting going. So that's so that's got
Speaker 1: a question on that. Yes, since the bye week count
Speaker 1: is one of those three weeks stump him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because you don't have a full week of practice, so
Speaker 1: I would think it would not count. Yeah, because you're buying.
Speaker 1: You're buying a fourth week here, you get practice, just
Speaker 1: get No, you got to give the guys four consecutive
Speaker 1: days off. So Thursday Thursday. See, you guys didn't have
Speaker 1: a good CBA. You know you did get enough time off.
Speaker 1: It wasn't enough of us, not loopy, you know, to
Speaker 1: where they say, okay, now we need to change. So
Speaker 1: generally what they'll could do is come in on Monday
Speaker 1: as normal after a game, have Tuesday off, do something
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And generally the way it's worked, at least
Speaker 1: when Jason was here, Wednesday was kind of a young
Speaker 1: guys practice. The guys that don't get to practice that much,
Speaker 1: they would get them out there and go through some
Speaker 1: practice players players, the practice squad guys can go out
Speaker 1: there also. Yeah, um, update on go ahead, Michael Gallop.
Speaker 1: What's going on with him and Gallimore? Uh? Gallimar continues
Speaker 1: to do rehab on the side. So like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a z elbow. So he's running really well.
Speaker 1: So I think those guys after after after the after
Speaker 1: the bye maybe after the bye man. Yeah, because Gallimore
Speaker 1: had to miss I think he had to did he
Speaker 1: have to miss six games. I can't remember if he
Speaker 1: was in that category. I don't think no, he because
Speaker 1: he was at training camp was Yeah, he wasn't a
Speaker 1: pup guy. That's right about Gallop. Gallop. I still think
Speaker 1: after the bye at the earliest Hill is the pup
Speaker 1: Tristan and the Hills the Trump guy, and he had
Speaker 1: to miss six six games, right for six weeks whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm asking about Gallup because as we move on, you know,
Speaker 1: man trade deadline coming up. I wonder if no, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, because I do not want that
Speaker 1: to happen. In regards to the trade deadline. Here's the
Speaker 1: way I look at Michael Gallup. You're acquiring him in
Speaker 1: a trade, you know, because you haven't had him, and
Speaker 1: so about the trade deadline, you're getting him back, and
Speaker 1: so it's as if you just picked him up from
Speaker 1: another team. I mean, as a player, if I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm him, I'm a little nervous, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: we're playing well, of course, but I'm not a part
Speaker 1: of it. I'm a little anxious. Yeah, I see Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson getting off. Of course you al would have knew
Speaker 1: one more injury and then come talk to me. The Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys were one and four right now instead
Speaker 1: of four and one, and if I was Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: I'd be nervous, you know. And the other thing that
Speaker 1: stood out in practice when they were doing the offensive
Speaker 1: linemen were doing their little drills off on the side.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask Verson if he ever saw
Speaker 1: Ernie Stottner running a drill with a helmet on. No,
Speaker 1: never happened. I'm not sure that he played. He didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't play in his Pro Football Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: career with a helmon onze right, he probably he had leather. Well,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn was out there and doing the drill and
Speaker 1: he had a helmet on, by the way, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't like they were button heads or anything, but he
Speaker 1: was doing the uh oh, he had the pads in
Speaker 1: his hand and they're coming by knocking them down, and
Speaker 1: but he had the helmet on. That only happens with
Speaker 1: winning teams. Yeah, right, you do stuff like that. If
Speaker 1: you out there, you would like to say you wanted four.
Speaker 1: And then the couch coaches out there with his helming on.
Speaker 1: Coach Hey man quis going them out. So that's the
Speaker 1: highlights of the practice that I think we got to see. Okay,
Speaker 1: very good. Um. You know the Mike McCarthy was talking
Speaker 1: last night in between taping the show that he breaks
Speaker 1: down this season into basically quadrants. Okay, where we're reaching
Speaker 1: the end of the first quadrant here uh where? When
Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys schedule because of the bye
Speaker 1: week next week, so you're you got six weeks, you
Speaker 1: got eighteen weeks basically, but you're I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you're the last quadrant would be your playoffs. Oh so
Speaker 1: so you got the six Now he didn't say that,
Speaker 1: but I just read into it every five and the
Speaker 1: way the Cowboys schedule breaks down, the way he's got
Speaker 1: it marked off is Okay, we're ending the first quarter
Speaker 1: here at with this game because of the bye week,
Speaker 1: and then you're going through November, which is a five
Speaker 1: week and once as the way the Cowboys schedule lines up,
Speaker 1: you got Thanksgiving and then the following Thursday at New Orleans.
Speaker 1: So that's a five game stretch, right, We're for your
Speaker 1: second quarter and then you're take it from there to
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Is your third quarter and
Speaker 1: then your fourth quarter. Yeah, the NFL just just trans
Speaker 1: transition into the dog days of winter. Yes, it is
Speaker 1: this season after Christmas, after Thanksgiving. Think about after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: We always had this stretch that we had to pay
Speaker 1: attention to. Now you got a couple of more weeks
Speaker 1: to deal with. That's the long days of winter. No kidding,
Speaker 1: I mean it. I mean seriously, I've not had to
Speaker 1: schedule in front of me. I'm about to. But when
Speaker 1: you're looking at after Thanksgiving, this team has six games,
Speaker 1: three of which are in a row on the road.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. So after Thanksgiving you've got because the final
Speaker 1: regular season game this year is on January ninth, right,
Speaker 1: And so you're taking it all the way to then,
Speaker 1: and man and so I said, yeah, from a mental standpoint,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's only you have to break it up
Speaker 1: just to otherwise it's too consuming. And as he said,
Speaker 1: he adds another quadrants. He said, he looks at it
Speaker 1: more from the physical standpoint for the team, and what
Speaker 1: he will do as they get into December, he'll shorten
Speaker 1: practice and make it feel like it's not as as
Speaker 1: burden as long as it is. Actually he's shortened today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they usually started eleven twenty or eleven forty, I guess,
Speaker 1: And they started it, and maybe that's also because he's
Speaker 1: the end of this first quadrant and you can, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you can. Also you had the preseason Quadrant two,
Speaker 1: which last you know, from July twentieth until thoughts really played.
Speaker 1: That's right, but I mean you're engaged in stuff. So
Speaker 1: and speaking of having to play seventeen games, this is
Speaker 1: the seventeenth game this week, basically the extra that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right in New England. Okay, yeah, that's the added
Speaker 1: game to It's what they did was they added a
Speaker 1: cross non conferency, a crossover game, and just where they
Speaker 1: sat in the standings last year, they did NFC East
Speaker 1: is twentying NFC East team in the Patriots, Yeah, playing
Speaker 1: AFC's teams, and the Patriots wound up in the same
Speaker 1: spot in the standings as the Cowboys did last year.
Speaker 1: And then one other note on practice, So we now
Speaker 1: know that Leale Collins will miss the fifth game with
Speaker 1: the ruling that came down, but he has been eligible
Speaker 1: to be in the building and work on his conditioning.
Speaker 1: So he's been doing that I think a little bit
Speaker 1: last week and some and he'll continue this week and
Speaker 1: then he'll get the buy and a week of practice
Speaker 1: before the next game. So I hope he comes bag mad.
Speaker 1: He should he should be, He'll be four hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars mad. Yeah, absolutely, because I think it
Speaker 1: comes back so angry. He just takes it out on
Speaker 1: the opposition. And by the way, and I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk out there talk radio, well, why
Speaker 1: would they mess with the continuity on the offensive line?
Speaker 1: Just lets steal play because he's playing so well. And
Speaker 1: it's like, look, Lele Collins. The last time we saw
Speaker 1: him play a season, he had a Pro Bowl season,
Speaker 1: just didn't get voted into it, and he was on
Speaker 1: the verge the next year. Unfortunately the next year got
Speaker 1: wiped out by the hip injury. And you saw off
Speaker 1: looking at what he did this year, right, So let's
Speaker 1: not minimize this guy's talent and saying, oh no, let's
Speaker 1: just go with steal because the Cowboys have done a
Speaker 1: very good job. Steel is improved in his in his
Speaker 1: run blocking, pass blocking. He's gotten helped. They've used those
Speaker 1: two tight ends and they're not always on his side.
Speaker 1: They could be on the other side. But if they're
Speaker 1: on the other side, the defense has got a shift right,
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't have to worry about Blitzer's or
Speaker 1: you know, two guys coming at him. Let's not undersell
Speaker 1: Lele Collins and what he can do once he's on
Speaker 1: the field. I think he's been playing at a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl level once again until this thiscause. The way he
Speaker 1: was playing against Tampa, keeping that off, that defensive line out,
Speaker 1: allowing Dad to throw for five hundred jars or whatever
Speaker 1: he threw for that particul the game, no well, and
Speaker 1: when you look at the running run blocking, no one
Speaker 1: was really successful in that regard. So yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: wash as far as I'm concerned. But now he's been
Speaker 1: playing very well so and that ruling reminds me of
Speaker 1: a saying Tech Shram had long time ago. I remember
Speaker 1: talking to him about a court case, right, and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes a judge should do what's right, not
Speaker 1: what's legal. And that's what happened in this game. He
Speaker 1: did what was legal. He didn't feel like the judge
Speaker 1: basically scolded the NFL from how they conducted this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But he said, because of the CBA and you agreed
Speaker 1: to have an arbitrator, I can't overrule the arbitrary, struck
Speaker 1: with the letter of the law, right, but from a league,
Speaker 1: from a right and wrong. It was like, no, the
Speaker 1: NFL violated what they should have been doing in this case,
Speaker 1: but I can't overrule the arbitrator. So he'll miss his
Speaker 1: fifth game, get his game fine, and then be ready
Speaker 1: to come back nixt with the next game then against
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. And you know how I look at that
Speaker 1: gowboys just acquired Lyle Collins in the trash. I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to say, and there's another reason why
Speaker 1: I got out of loss. That too, that too, Texas, Texas.
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Speaker 1: when they tell you that you're being tried or you're
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Speaker 1: as we kick off this segment for the first mix
Speaker 1: shot of this day. Yes, sold on. Did you know
Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick perfect had nineteen consecutive winning seasons until
Speaker 1: last year and he's second all time too, Tom Tom
Speaker 1: Landry with twenty And I also another note that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick has won the most playoff games in NFL history
Speaker 1: with thirty one and in second place with twenty. There
Speaker 1: you go, Bill, Bill was going to open up his
Speaker 1: book to he was gonna double confirm. I. I was
Speaker 1: looking back at that seventy four season to make it sure.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys were eight and six and seventy four that
Speaker 1: was the year, the one year in that twenty years
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but they had a winning season, that's right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I was part of eighty four. That was my
Speaker 1: first season. Yeah, that's why I didn't like it, was mickey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we look around. There's this little
Speaker 1: elf walking around bad looking. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the game that decided it was at Miami. Remember Dolphins
Speaker 1: came from behind when To be honest, that game really
Speaker 1: didn't decide it, right, we knew that the game started. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that just kind of they were just having I was
Speaker 1: standing we played as if we still had a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was standing in behind the end zone when Clayton
Speaker 1: was a Clayton that caught the touchdown. That's the second
Speaker 1: test down. He was to be a very good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. So I hear about this all the time,
Speaker 1: just seconded or second just like he hears even though
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the other side about your two interceptions.
Speaker 1: And yeah he wasn't. Yes, that's correct, that's when they
Speaker 1: had just slow white wide receivers. But they still ran
Speaker 1: by me. So I as you see, Cephalo was no Jimmy.
Speaker 1: These accomplishments this year by certain people are bringing up
Speaker 1: historical markers for the Dallas Cowboys. There you go, that's
Speaker 1: just lets you know, we are a historical organization. So
Speaker 1: you look at the Patriots, what they have done over
Speaker 1: a two decade period, what the Cowboys did over a
Speaker 1: two decade period, I would say both of them are
Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. Yeah, and the Cowboys was actually two and
Speaker 1: a half decades. Right. Well, I guess if you just
Speaker 1: look at twenty years from sixty five to eighty five, right,
Speaker 1: and guests who played for both of them, he's taken credits. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's hey, that's right, I'll take credit. That's correct. Okay.
Speaker 1: Similarities between coach Landry and coach Belichick, that's easy. Intellect,
Speaker 1: just straight up intellect. And with that intellect brought a
Speaker 1: lot of hard work on themselves. They didn't need anyone
Speaker 1: to push them. I don't know who taught Tom Landry,
Speaker 1: you know his skills as a coach. Of course, he
Speaker 1: was a fighter pilot. I believe in the in the
Speaker 1: Air Force, but when it came to Belichick, his father
Speaker 1: was an amazing coach, so Bill was always there with him,
Speaker 1: so you just kind of knew where that was going.
Speaker 1: He was wasn't like he was some great player. I
Speaker 1: don't think he even tried to play sports, but he's
Speaker 1: always been around it, and I admired their command of
Speaker 1: all facets of the game. And that's why I'm always
Speaker 1: talking about how that can help. I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: what I was taught by great coaches. There is no
Speaker 1: just offense defense. There is no just a quarterback versus
Speaker 1: you know, a defensive back. This entire team, whoever you
Speaker 1: play on. Any successful team I've been on, it's always
Speaker 1: been because we were strong at those three areas of
Speaker 1: the ball game. And that's why they have defense, offense,
Speaker 1: and the kicking game because they all matter. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you think of most coaches, most head coaches,
Speaker 1: they have either a background and eat on either the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball or the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Okay, he's an offensive coach. He's a defensive coach.
Speaker 1: And even though uh Landry was a defensive player or whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, his innovation thirty seven career picks or something
Speaker 1: like that, by the way, and you can look up
Speaker 1: his where going now. He had six picks six in
Speaker 1: a row in nineteen fifty. It was either fifty one
Speaker 1: or fifth consecutive game. It was the first six in
Speaker 1: a row. Pro Football Reference has games. If you'll look
Speaker 1: at his game his entire every day, Tom had six
Speaker 1: picks with the Giant. Hey, that's what I had with
Speaker 1: the Giant six six. It was either fifty one or
Speaker 1: fifty two, I think, man, And when you look at
Speaker 1: Tom's career, I mean, on a personal level, DBS, I
Speaker 1: think we were his least favorite position. You know. He
Speaker 1: just never really showed us much love. He didn't really.
Speaker 1: I know he appreciate what we did, but it was
Speaker 1: never a point of a conversation. And when the conversation
Speaker 1: came up, he was shooting down. I guess he was
Speaker 1: just so afraid for us, you know. And when you
Speaker 1: look at one of the other things that he did,
Speaker 1: he invented the defense. Yeah, he invented the flex defense. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can attribute the Amba defense
Speaker 1: to Bill Belichick, but you can definitely attribute to flex
Speaker 1: to Tom Langeman because that's straight up. He authored that
Speaker 1: entire defense for stopping the great Jim Brown. So I
Speaker 1: believe Tom was a player coach when he designed it
Speaker 1: because his uh he was. He was trying to help
Speaker 1: out the middle linebacker. Who was the middle Huff, Sam
Speaker 1: sam Huff. Yeah, Sam Huff was having problems with Jim Brown,
Speaker 1: and Tom said, don't well, I'll take care of it.
Speaker 1: And he designed the defense so that Sam Huff could
Speaker 1: always be there to meet Jim Brown in the whole
Speaker 1: wherever he went down the line. How's your research? Landry
Speaker 1: had thirty two interceptions in his career, right, thirty one
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants and one with the New
Speaker 1: York Yankees. Wow, love it this first year and that
Speaker 1: was the first first New York Yankees, same team. I
Speaker 1: mean the Yankees must have folded or something. They ended
Speaker 1: up coming here, that's right, right, like fifty football yams. Yes,
Speaker 1: for one year. I don't even think they finished the year.
Speaker 1: I think they got bought out and they moved back East. Okay,
Speaker 1: someone and there's people looking it up right now, but
Speaker 1: on Pro Football in Pro Football Reference the night I
Speaker 1: just clicked on on Landry's bio. The nineteen forty nine
Speaker 1: New York Yankees. And usually at the top it has
Speaker 1: previous season and next season. There's not a next season. Yes,
Speaker 1: the last year, Yeah they were done. Yeah. So uh
Speaker 1: and and that was the aa FC. Oh okay, so
Speaker 1: there's the difference. Yeah, so did you find his six
Speaker 1: straight interceptions yet so secutive games? For I thought, that's
Speaker 1: what I read, But then that's first and what they're
Speaker 1: and what they're quoting now is since the merger in
Speaker 1: nineteen two. Okay, okay, that's why Don Bishop doesn't okay
Speaker 1: as much love deserve, thank you, thank you, I got
Speaker 1: he got all the love he ever deserved on our
Speaker 1: show the other day of Roses and Flowers can well,
Speaker 1: unfortunately the game logs are sketchy. Yeah, all right, don't
Speaker 1: worry about And also he was a punter. Yes, so
Speaker 1: that's something else that you can attribute to his resume
Speaker 1: and and attribute to his knowledge of special teams. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why he loved Danny White. Well, that could be
Speaker 1: because I tell you, people talk about Danny's a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I have always thought he was a much better punter
Speaker 1: than a quarterback. And that is no knock on his
Speaker 1: quarterback game, right, because he saved us so many times
Speaker 1: with the fake punt, you know actors, if he's gonna
Speaker 1: just kind of run it, you know, run up and
Speaker 1: kicking and then he takes off. God, he did that
Speaker 1: countless times, which extended our drives. I don't remember it
Speaker 1: ever not working. I think it did once. Man thinking
Speaker 1: he told the story about one time. Maybe one time
Speaker 1: got on him. But to me, that's a great sence.
Speaker 1: It's like all the ones that work, Hey, way to go,
Speaker 1: and it's like, now, what are you doing? The only reason,
Speaker 1: the only one we don't remember, but that we remember
Speaker 1: that didn't work with the no Danny no, which wasn't
Speaker 1: a punt that was that was a snap from Landry
Speaker 1: had eight picks in three different seasons in nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 1: fifty two, and fifty four, which was an all pro year.
Speaker 1: So the six in a row or either fifty one
Speaker 1: or fifty should have given us a whole lot more. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he realized how hard it was back in so
Speaker 1: if I took care of the front seven, I'd saved
Speaker 1: my back for But you know what, when the flex
Speaker 1: was put together, it was not made for a defensive
Speaker 1: back at all. Right, I think he's it must be
Speaker 1: a lot of self hate that he has because now
Speaker 1: on the serious point with the flex, and I try
Speaker 1: to explain to people all the time, they don't get it.
Speaker 1: But with the flex, it's made for the run. I
Speaker 1: can't have a defense made for the run. In the past,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. So who's the sacrificial lambs the
Speaker 1: second day, whether it's the linebackers or whether it's the dbs,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be the ones that's gonna have to give
Speaker 1: up something in order for us to for the sake
Speaker 1: of the scheme itself. And when I came in, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wasn't paying attention to that. I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to give up anything, which is why I
Speaker 1: got beat sometimes because I'm gonna cover everything because that's
Speaker 1: just coming out of college, that's what you know, and
Speaker 1: as an acceptor, that's what you want. You're gonna catch
Speaker 1: every route. So as much as I was doing it
Speaker 1: a lot, and it amused Charlie Waters and Dennis Thurman,
Speaker 1: they had all kind of great nicknames for me because
Speaker 1: you're doing something they're not supposed to do. Tom Madge's like,
Speaker 1: you need to stop doing that, Okay, just stop doing it.
Speaker 1: And he never really he just never gave you the
Speaker 1: credit as a defensive back because, like you said, this
Speaker 1: was all about stopping the run, yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: not about passing. I remember when we were doing a
Speaker 1: documentary on Doomsday Defense, the first Doomsday one, right, and
Speaker 1: somebody was we were doing the interview and somebody asked
Speaker 1: one of the defensive backs about the flex and they go,
Speaker 1: don't ask me that. Yes to do yes, boy, that
Speaker 1: you've never told me that. That's very girl. I can't
Speaker 1: remember who it might have been clear for Charlie something
Speaker 1: it was. It was probably Charlie because Charlie was always
Speaker 1: trying to fight for us in the secondary and then
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna listen to myself, Dexter, Michael Downs and
Speaker 1: vine Fellow's not gonna listen to us. He might listen
Speaker 1: to Charlie or Dennis Thurman. Had a lot of respect
Speaker 1: with Dennis Thurman in the locker room. So you can
Speaker 1: talk all you want, you're not going to change the
Speaker 1: flex and until it was outdated by I would say
Speaker 1: the first team to outdate the flex would be the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams. He's still running, yes he is, and
Speaker 1: I'm still diving after him too. That was a nightmarish So,
Speaker 1: by the way, game yeah, not just game yeah, okay, right, yes,
Speaker 1: game eighty three three, I guess I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: playoff game. That's what I'm talking on the ice in
Speaker 1: the end zone. Both of the playoff games eighty three
Speaker 1: that was ice in the end zone in Texas Stadium,
Speaker 1: went out there in eighty five we were uh that
Speaker 1: was a which one was wild to shut out one
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. So, by the way,
Speaker 1: people are asking me yesterday about Belichick and what do
Speaker 1: you think he'll do, and I said, well, evanston Walls said,
Speaker 1: and so h McCarthy made mention to it that this
Speaker 1: will be the first time they see uh he was.
Speaker 1: He made mention of man coverage, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was something that Belichick liked to do. Somebody
Speaker 1: said single safety high and then he would use man
Speaker 1: coverage on the wide receiver he started out with. When
Speaker 1: I was in New York, they were we were perfect
Speaker 1: with the Tampa two. I guess it's kind of what
Speaker 1: they called it now, but I will cover two if
Speaker 1: you're depending on how it turned out, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a couple of four. And if you're going to
Speaker 1: play a coup of two or cover four, one thing,
Speaker 1: you got to have linebackers, athletic linebackers. If you don't
Speaker 1: have them, it ain't gonna work. And he's always that's
Speaker 1: why Tampa. Yeah, that's why he's had it with lt
Speaker 1: and Banks and Pepper and Tampa headed of course with
Speaker 1: Books and those guys. So yeah, if you're gonna play
Speaker 1: a cover two a couple four, your linebackers have to
Speaker 1: be extremely athletic, more athletic than most because you have
Speaker 1: to get underneath. You gotta get underneath, you got you
Speaker 1: got not going, You have to get underneath. You have
Speaker 1: to react to the short passes as well. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they have been on the cutting edge of the
Speaker 1: last several years of using more dbs on the field
Speaker 1: than and other teams have followed suit. Now super Bowl itself, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had Eric Howard was the only defensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the game for the most part. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: with Belichick, the way he's evolved over the years too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't do what they've done
Speaker 1: over this longer period of time without without that imagine
Speaker 1: this though, it's twenty two years with the Patriots. You
Speaker 1: know how long he's been coaching in the National Football
Speaker 1: League now, thick, go ahead, forty seven years. Nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: five his first year. How old was he? Probably right
Speaker 1: out of the academy, wasn't the an army or something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what dad coach. Well, let's see nineteen seven. Let's
Speaker 1: see he is sixty nine right now, and so he
Speaker 1: would have been twenty three years old. Wow, And yeah,
Speaker 1: seventy five. He was a special assistant with the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Colts in seventy five, and then a couple of years
Speaker 1: with the Lions, the Broncos, and then with the Giant
Speaker 1: starting in seventy nine as thus special teams coach, which,
Speaker 1: of course, which brings us two more of what Mike
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Speaker 1: special teams play a part in Sunday's game against the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Well, as we were taping the Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy Show last night, Uh, he made a point to
Speaker 1: me in a break that we need to talk special teams.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we know why the time up there and
Speaker 1: of course and of course he was not a part
Speaker 1: of that, yes two years ago. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: what the Patriots do. And I think one Matthew Slater
Speaker 1: is still there. That's exactly right. And he was the
Speaker 1: guy that blocked the punt because the guys on the
Speaker 1: outside didn't do their assignment and left a gap. You know,
Speaker 1: as I look up Matthews Slater, if there was a
Speaker 1: guy to make the Hall of Fame who is strictly
Speaker 1: a special teams player, Matthews Slater might be the leading candidate.
Speaker 1: Not Kenny the Shark. Let's see, you got them on
Speaker 1: that one, got them on. Now come on now, Bill,
Speaker 1: don't don't how many Pro Bowls has Slater made? I
Speaker 1: was I was going to say like three or four? Nine?
Speaker 1: Oh what I didn't think that sounded like Zeke the
Speaker 1: other day the interception record. Oh, that's a lot. All
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Yes, yeah, that's amazing that they could
Speaker 1: afford a special teams player for me. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the priority in two thousand and eight fifth round draft
Speaker 1: pick out of UCLA, of course, the son of Jackie Slater,
Speaker 1: and of course and um Jackson State University. By the way,
Speaker 1: hbcuh go ahead, it would And so you we're talking
Speaker 1: father's son Hall of famers. Yeah, okay, um, but I mean, now, one,
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those deals once you make
Speaker 1: All Pro, once you make the Pro Bow, and once
Speaker 1: you have that designation that you're only draft looking at
Speaker 1: anybody else exactly, only drafted for special team's purposes. Not
Speaker 1: and take nothing away from Matthew Slater, okay, but it
Speaker 1: illustrates the emphasis that um Belichick puts on his core
Speaker 1: special team ever since. Asked where he lines up while
Speaker 1: on that punt block in twenty nineteen, he will was
Speaker 1: kind of halfway between the middle in the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he came through a crease that they blocked the
Speaker 1: wrong way. I mean, it wasn't like he had this
Speaker 1: great play. He just saw that, Oh that guy's going
Speaker 1: that way. That guy's going that way. I just come
Speaker 1: through here. That's the kind of heads up players, right,
Speaker 1: Bill likes. Yes. Okay, So how big is John Fossil's
Speaker 1: role in this game? Oh bones, let's go, we're thinking
Speaker 1: we break out the old. First of all, he don't
Speaker 1: get too excited, you know, that's his problem. He's like
Speaker 1: his special teams players. They called special teams players special
Speaker 1: teams players because they are special and sometimes they can
Speaker 1: act a little special. Right, They'll do things if you go,
Speaker 1: like especially when it comes down in the ball on
Speaker 1: the gold line. I know people work on that all
Speaker 1: the time, but just see some of the biggest idiots.
Speaker 1: Just dude, why you're running so fast? You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just some of the things that they do. And Fossil,
Speaker 1: to me, he's that guy that can really he can
Speaker 1: empathize with him and he can relate to them. So
Speaker 1: I just don't want him to think, oh he comes
Speaker 1: better check here comes to Patriots. So let me do
Speaker 1: something over the top special. Just do your job. Okay,
Speaker 1: and keep and keep the Patriots from doing something something.
Speaker 1: Let's not get to and talking about guys running down
Speaker 1: like that. They run down like that on coverage and
Speaker 1: I see him practice it all the time, where okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna run down his facial account and then break down,
Speaker 1: right so you can go with They forget that, They
Speaker 1: just run by the guy. Yeah, it's like all sitting
Speaker 1: right there and all of y'all, you come and dive
Speaker 1: on that ball, that the one y'all right, right, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna slide and everyone's so, oh my god, how
Speaker 1: could that happen because of you? You're done it, my goodness,
Speaker 1: play under control. That's it. That's the team is. Let's
Speaker 1: do it guys. And the ones that don't know how
Speaker 1: to do it the best, they're the ones that have
Speaker 1: the best teams period because they are in tune to
Speaker 1: doing it the right way. It's not just about hustle.
Speaker 1: It's about accomplishing something, and that's where the best ones
Speaker 1: have the best records. You know. The tough thing on
Speaker 1: special teams too, like in training camp, you can't you
Speaker 1: don't practice it live. You have no live sessions on
Speaker 1: special teams until you get into a preseason game and
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, this is what you're supposed to do? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: how am I seeing people? Yeah? Why are they trying
Speaker 1: to hit me? One other thing on Slater, the Patriots
Speaker 1: not only drafted him in the fifth round, they also
Speaker 1: traded up to draft him in the fifth round that
Speaker 1: they had Okay, yeah, because jacket Slater would be on
Speaker 1: Yeah jackets out there? Yeah, so good one yep. So
Speaker 1: special teams would be a big part of this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you think of Fossil's mindset going into this one,
Speaker 1: matching up against the team that's known for special teams. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Now you're right. So coaching about dan Quinn, I mean
Speaker 1: he was coaching the Falcons and a super Bowl against
Speaker 1: the Patriots team, and he has every play in his head.
Speaker 1: In fact, he would have been a defensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: Seattle against the Patriots and a super Bowl also he
Speaker 1: has he has every play in his So how much
Speaker 1: how much to do coaches get motivated to face Belichick?
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where they didn't wait
Speaker 1: till this week to prepare it, right, right, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They've been looking forward to this all.
Speaker 1: That's my redemption moment. Yeah, we're spending. We got redemption moment.
Speaker 1: We got mojole moments in redemption. As soon as that
Speaker 1: schedule came out. Okay, in the month of May, they
Speaker 1: stayed up late. Let's study Patriots. Why not. We're gonna
Speaker 1: put that to the side. We're gonna donate all that,
Speaker 1: you know, commit all that time to this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put some time to my Patriots. And they look at
Speaker 1: it that way. Dude, I know that that you get
Speaker 1: more motivated if you go up against writers, the strong
Speaker 1: writers from the other team. Yeah, I'll show. I'll show
Speaker 1: who's the writer for the Patriots. They've they've changed over
Speaker 1: pretty much, just like everyone of the days. Could you
Speaker 1: kick his ass? I'm trying. I'm forgetting the guy's name.
Speaker 1: He had worked for UM for one of the papers
Speaker 1: up there. It's been The Boston Globe, and then he
Speaker 1: went over to Mike Reese. Is who I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: Ok Yeah, he impressed me as a young guy, and
Speaker 1: he's progressed and now he's either with ESPN dot com
Speaker 1: that's got the athletic so I think he's a nine
Speaker 1: time pro bowler. He is a yea, now he good,
Speaker 1: He's right. Let's think about this. He has to be
Speaker 1: the worst job in the world to be a beat
Speaker 1: writer for Belli and Belichick. Oh you know what though,
Speaker 1: I last year during covid U, they were you know,
Speaker 1: on back when we had periscope. Periscope went away in May,
Speaker 1: and so I was following that was good thing. I
Speaker 1: followed the Patriots and so every morning at like eight am,
Speaker 1: Belichick's press conference, I get an alert the Belichick press conference,
Speaker 1: and I would listen to him. And actually there were
Speaker 1: certain days that he was really good in forthcoming in
Speaker 1: his press conference. And that was just this past year.
Speaker 1: That yeah, last year, and it was a bad year
Speaker 1: for him. You know, they went seven y nine and
Speaker 1: they didn't have anything to hide because they were bad. Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1: So you know what the funniest line I heard him
Speaker 1: and it was a it was at Super Bowl. So
Speaker 1: there's been so many I don't remember which one it
Speaker 1: was for him, right, uh. And it was in the
Speaker 1: probably the Tuesday media session, and so got the big
Speaker 1: room there and somebody asked them just inain question it
Speaker 1: was like and he kind of looked at the guy
Speaker 1: and he scaled and he goes, so you guys, He goes,
Speaker 1: do you have this book of questions? And the chapter
Speaker 1: one is these are the questions you have to ask regardless?
Speaker 1: And you know what? He was kind of right, Yes,
Speaker 1: he knows that, you know. I think what I liked
Speaker 1: about Bill. First of all, he and LT got along
Speaker 1: extremely well. Uh we were I think we LT was
Speaker 1: late for the meeting in training camp and you just
Speaker 1: go from them practice field. I'm to the locker room
Speaker 1: to the practice field. It's like half of our walk
Speaker 1: maybe twelve of them out and you have cause that
Speaker 1: also because the people are also trying to get in
Speaker 1: as well to come and see us, so you the
Speaker 1: cause would be with And this was at the stadium
Speaker 1: right that. This is at TIN in the camp training.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the university that we were at. All
Speaker 1: the rich people lived out It wasn't Offstra that was
Speaker 1: the judge. I think, yeah, it was where all the
Speaker 1: rich people and executives lived out there, all executives and
Speaker 1: all of that. I can't remember this, but it was
Speaker 1: upstate in New York. And he said, hey, LT, come
Speaker 1: on man, everybody's been sitting here waiting. You said, what
Speaker 1: was what was the deal? LT goes traffic just because
Speaker 1: the cars actually with you. But I just thought that
Speaker 1: was an excellent answer, traffic coach. I was in traffic
Speaker 1: Bryant College, no training camp locations talking. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It was university hold
Speaker 1: on Pace was one of them all right before they signed.
Speaker 1: They didna get it. They want it was, um, what
Speaker 1: you're you talking? Abod twenty five more rows? Here they
Speaker 1: go all over the place. Fairly Dickinson, fairly, Dickinson. There
Speaker 1: you go, We got all the answer, right. Megan used
Speaker 1: to hang his sheets out the window when he would
Speaker 1: climb down and sneak out from training camp, like, man,
Speaker 1: was this a jailbreak? Well, eventually, I guess it could
Speaker 1: have been well in thousand in thousand oaks. So they
Speaker 1: used to the dorms and then they had a media dorm.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were aware of that, but
Speaker 1: the media dorm was right across from the check in
Speaker 1: hut or whatever that was it security or whatever. So
Speaker 1: in the back of the dorm there was a little
Speaker 1: plaza patio and they used to stock the refrigerator with beer. Right,
Speaker 1: So after we'd go out at night, we'd come back,
Speaker 1: sit on the patio, and to the left of us
Speaker 1: was a softball field, and if you go there was
Speaker 1: a big field, and to the right was a dormitory.
Speaker 1: Right when a parking lot. And so every once in
Speaker 1: a while we used to call them runners with some
Speaker 1: player would go from the softball field to that parking lot.
Speaker 1: I know exactly. I'm surprised more people didn't call us out.
Speaker 1: We would sit there and we'd see one and go
Speaker 1: and somebody goes, there goes a runner, and we go, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: just yelling. The guy would run faster. The door of
Speaker 1: the car would open, the lights would come on, the
Speaker 1: guy would dive in the back seat, and the car
Speaker 1: would take off. They were escaping for the night. Well
Speaker 1: you got la right down the street, I mean, come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well who's gonna stay in the dorm. When you see
Speaker 1: Irving Magic Johnson there is his basketball camp, he goes, hey, comy, hey,
Speaker 1: he knows me about cumming. We'll come to my play
Speaker 1: to night. Sure, No fo, no, man, we got practice
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. No, don't worry about it. Me and the
Speaker 1: boys would be there or the guy. We made it.
Speaker 1: We're going through the little checkpoint and they would have
Speaker 1: their bible and their toiletry kit. It's like just gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot long bible station rights and that was
Speaker 1: a John Wooden basketball camp that was on. The Magic
Speaker 1: would come as the guests, instructor or whatever. I remember
Speaker 1: interviewing him there right outside the gym. That's why. That's
Speaker 1: why I saw right outside the gym. Yeh. That old
Speaker 1: gym now is a warehouse for their UH play production
Speaker 1: group at the university. So they store all the props
Speaker 1: in that gym. Now, that's what it's turned out to be.
Speaker 1: They still have the football stadium right there. They got
Speaker 1: a new football soccer field. Yeah yeah, all right, and
Speaker 1: the stands or the stands. I'm going out there, so
Speaker 1: I'm driving, Oh, go in, go walk. I went there
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago because the cafeteria is still
Speaker 1: the same. So that one year we were at training
Speaker 1: camp and we did a deal on training camp at
Speaker 1: Thousand Oaks. So Nate and I walked through, did interviews
Speaker 1: there and we went into the cafeteria and still the same.
Speaker 1: You can down them steps either way right, and there
Speaker 1: was the big area and there was a lady there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably looked like in her sixties at least.
Speaker 1: And uh so we're looking around. She goes, hey, you
Speaker 1: guys know that the Cowboys used to have training camp
Speaker 1: here and this is where they ate. And Nate goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and she goes, yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to serve him all the time. It's like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: We started doing the math and she had been working
Speaker 1: there for like over thirty years in the same lady.
Speaker 1: She's there serving you guys. She's the one that used
Speaker 1: to let me, uh she would mark me present for
Speaker 1: breakfast because I didn't want to go. She marked me
Speaker 1: present for breakfast, and I thank the Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you do? When I left training camp? I
Speaker 1: bother some Jack Daniels or something drink he was now
Speaker 1: they getting mad at Lele College. That's the same she
Speaker 1: was there. Well, I don't know if that was the
Speaker 1: same woman, but she had been working there since Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Pretty yeah, so that would be like, yeah, well you'll
Speaker 1: have to go see her when you go out there. Yeah,
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