1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways stories of things you don't know the answer too. Well. 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Hello there, and welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm Joe, joined as always by Steve and and in 4 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: this episode we're gonna do the usual thing and solve 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: a mystery. Let's se if you're all ready, let's get 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: this underway. That's right. We're so good at it, yeah, 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: almost an unblemished record. Okay, So we're gonna be talking 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: this episode about Jim Thompson. And if you've never heard 9 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: of Jim Thompson, well he was a dude. Yeah, he 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: was an American. He more nineteen o six, he was. 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: He was a spy for a while in World War Two. 12 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: He worked for the oss UM. He spoke, what's the 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: oss is? The OPIC is the Office of Strategic Services, 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: which was the predecessor to the CIA. Yeah, so they 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: came into being world War two and did some spine 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: and stuff like that in covert ops. And so he 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: was Yeah, he was recruited into the USS and I 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: went to North Africa first to work with the Free 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: French in North Africa, and then he after After North Africa, 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: he went to Europe for a while and then he 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: was sent to the Far East to go into Thailand 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: and work with the free time movement. I'm getting ahead 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: of myself here, anyway, let me let me, let me 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: get to the quick summary. Okay. So he after after 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the war, he became a businessman and he started a 26 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: very successful silk company in Bangkok, Thailand in the late 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: nineteen four Don't they say that he's single handedly responsible 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: for the silk resurgence. Yeah, for first saving that the 29 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Thai silk industry. Yeah. Yeah, And but we'll get more 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: in that later. That's okay, I don't care. So he 31 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: disappeared without a trace in nineteen sixty seven, so that's 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: the mystery obviously. Yeah. So at the time of his disappearance, 33 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: he was one of the most famous Americans living in 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: Asia because of because of his company and everything, and 35 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: so it led to the most massive man hunt in 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Malaysian history, except I suppose m H three seventy sure, 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: oh that's more of a more of a plane un yeah, 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: but well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But okay, So okay, 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: back to his background, and you know, he was recruiting 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: to the USS want to North Africa, Europe and then 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: after the surrender of German he went to to Sri 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Lanka as a stepping stone to Tai to Thailand to 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: helpliberate Thailand from the Japanese occupation. He got to Thailand, 44 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: unfortunately for him, the Japanese has surrendered, fortunately for the 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: rest of us. But he didn't get to do any 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: cloak and dagger work in Thailand. But he did go 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: ahead and spend some time there, he said, at the U. S. 48 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: S Office there, and then became military Atta for the U. S. 49 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Embassy there um. And he was still doing some spying. 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: He used his contact with the Free Tie and a 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Free Loud movement or groups to gather information. So he 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: was spying. And he also served as an intermediary between 53 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: miscellaneous warring groups and tribes and tried to defuse conflicts. 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: So he was generally a generally a good guy, did 55 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: good stuff. Uh. He went back to the US, but 56 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: returned to Thailand, and then in he started the Thaie 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Silk Company, and the the Thai Silk Company was you know, 58 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: as you said, he resuscitated the Thai silk industry. He 59 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: had this great business model where he women were weaving 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: silk for him and he let them work at home, 61 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: so they could just you know, there's quality control and 62 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But he let them. He let them 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: work at home so they could still do their home 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: stuff but make money. Also, a lot of those women 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: became the bread winners families. Yeah, yeah, and he, you know, 66 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: he lifted thousands of people on a poverty and so 67 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: it was a good thing. That's great, while letting them 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, stay at home with their young kids or 69 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: whatever exactly. He's also well known for his house, the 70 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Jim Thompson House, which is in Bangkok and is now 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: a museum because he built this place. He bought he 72 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: bought like about half a dozen old houses and dismantled 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: them and brought him down the river to Bangkok and 74 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: then and then reassembled them but in sometimes different odd 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: ways and then and so it's basically almost like a 76 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: little compound rather than just a single house. And they 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: feel that they are they connected. Yeah, they're they're interconnected, 78 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: or at least most of some of them are. But 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: I've never actually been there. I've seen pictures of it. 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to go see it. But he was a 81 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: big antique collector and he filled the place up with 82 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: all kinds of exotic antiques, and so now it's now 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: it's a museum and a big tourist attraction in Bangkok. 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: That's the only reason that I would want to be rich, 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: to be able to be an antiques collector. That'd be 86 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: one reason. I also want to be rich so I 87 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: can have some Maserati's and big yacht right well, okay, 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: that not with standing. It's the whole antique thing that 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: really gets me. It'd be antique Maserati's an antique yachts, 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: right yea, or at least antique inspired. Yeah, And and 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: the slick thing or slick The cool thing about the 92 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: way he did those houses is that he was he 93 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: studied to be an architect and he did some architectural stuff. 94 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't actually an architect. Evidently he couldn't get through 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: Caculus is what I read. So he couldn't actually become 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: an architect, but he knew what he was doing. And 97 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: what was really cool is some of these houses he 98 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: kept them at their same elevation above the ground of 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: where they originally came from. So when you look at 100 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: some of the pictures, there's a house that's, let's say, 101 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: I don't know, in the air it was originally fifteen 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: or twenty ft above the ground, and he just elevated 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: it and that's how he put it all together. And 104 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: he took some of the exterior walls and he flipped 105 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: them because they disassembled the whole house. So yeah, put 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: that wall back in, but by the way, give it 107 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: a eighty degree spin. So the the exteriors now on 108 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: the end side, which it was just really interesting looking 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: when I was looking through the photos that they have 110 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: of it. You know, what, have you ever noticed that 111 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: it's it's only really interesting people who go missing. Well, 112 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: there's actually there's uh thousands of people go missing every year. 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: Nobody gives it a damn. Yeah, yeah, unless it's somebody 114 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: that's famous or interesting. So if we disappeared, you know, 115 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: there'd be a huge man hunt. Well obviously, yeah, because 116 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: we are both rich and interesting. Yeah, exactly the hit 117 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: podcast billions of people listening to literally billions. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 118 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: They would trigger the largest Manhattan and close in eastside Portland. Okay, 119 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Well back to our story. In March nineteen seventy, traveled 120 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: to Malaysia with a friend of his whose name was 121 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: whose name was Constance mang Scal I think I'm pronounced 122 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: I think that's right. So they want to the camp 123 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: what's called the Camera in Highlands, and the Camera Highlands 124 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: are that's that's what's kind of called a hill station 125 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: or a collection of hill stations. The Brits back in 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: their colonial history, they they would they colonized a lot 127 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: of like really hot, sweaty tropical places, and so they 128 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: always made a point of building hill stations, like to 129 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: have a bunch of hill stations in India. They're up 130 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: in the mountains, so they're elevated, so during the hot 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: season they could go up there and be cool. And yeah, 132 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: similar things. They built hill stations up in up in 133 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 1: the Cameron Highlands, so that the town of Tona Rada 134 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: was one of one of those hill stations. And there 135 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: they stayed with their friends, doctor Ling Tiangi and his 136 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: wife Helen Ling. They were he was Chinese, I believe 137 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: she was an American. And yeah, so they spent several 138 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: days hanging out and on the third day of the visit, 139 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: there was against staying in this house. He left the house, 140 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: presumably to go for a walk. That's what he didn't 141 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: actually say if he was going for a walk, but 142 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: it was about one thirty in the afternoon he said 143 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: to Helen Ling and and to Connie Manscal he said 144 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: good nights, sweethearts, and then he left and never came back. Yeah. Wait, 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: at like one thirty in the afternoon, in the afternoon, 146 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: not at night. Yeah, I mean. And the thing about 147 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: about the good night sweetheart thing is apparently they had 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: they had a custom in their house. The Links did 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: saying good night sweetheart whenever they would take a nap 150 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: or anything. If they're going to bed for the night 151 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: or if they're just going to go take a nap, 152 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: they would say good night, sweetheart. Yeah, regardless of that 153 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: time of day. Yeah, so you know, you'd think he 154 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: would be going to take a nap, but apparently for 155 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: a walk, I guess, like good night. Is that like 156 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: a Malaysian custom of any kind? Not at all, It's 157 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: totally I remember reading something that it's got it's got 158 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: roots in something that's very British. It's just so it's 159 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: so weird. I mean, not to like harken back too much, right, 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: but like when we were talking about um mh three seventy, right, 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: weren't the last words that were like transmitted good night 162 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: weren't they somebody go listen to the app, Yeah, somebody 163 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: and then emails right now? Yeah, sorry, sorry, I thought 164 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: I believe there was something about I believe there was 165 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: something about good night. I think that was the last 166 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: words I heard his last night. Words to connections are 167 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: being drawn. Remind me never say good night. I'm sorry, yeah, right, 168 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: never ever hear from me again. Now, you said it 169 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: was about one thirty in the afternoon, is when that happened. Yeah, 170 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: one thirty. Dr Lynne was thinking it was stree thirty 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: because he said he heard footsteps outside his doors. Okay, yeah, 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: that's why I was. I was asking because I remember 173 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: reading there was a little bit of dispute on the 174 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: time when he went for his walk, and there wasn't 175 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: like an outside gazebo or hammock or like napping spot 176 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: he could have been going to, as far as you know, 177 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: not that I know of. No, I've only seen like 178 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: one picture of the cottage that they were staying, and 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: that was like from the front of it and didn't 180 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: have any backyard action in the picture. So because I 181 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: guess that would make sense if he you know, if 182 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: that was the tradition or the custom of the house 183 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: was to say good night as you're going to nap 184 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: or something. And it's know warm, and the kind of 185 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: spring right marches spring, which early spring kind of you 186 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: know in Malaysia you go hang out in a hammock 187 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: and take a nap. That sounds kind of nice. But 188 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: I guess if they probably would have mentioned that, probably yeah, yeah, 189 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: but as far as you know, the time dispute goes 190 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: and and this may be true, maybe he was going 191 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: out to the hammock to take a nap and then 192 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: suddenly that those are rustling in the broad at the underbrush. 193 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: It's suddenly a dog dressed as a giant spider came 194 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: and he went running off and got lost in the 195 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: jungle and there was eaten by lions and tigers and bears. 196 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Seems unlikely, doesn't it. You're at yourself of his stature. Yeah, okay, 197 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: So what happened next? Anybody want to guess? Nothing? He 198 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: never came back. Good, guess that's true. Yeah, he didn't 199 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: do that. He never came back. So Dr Link called 200 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the police that evening and they they said they sent 201 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: somebody around the next day, And sure enough, they did 202 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: send some people around the next day, and they took 203 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: a look at a picture of him, and then they 204 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: recruited about thirty Aborigines and started searching the jungle in 205 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the area. Found nothing, and as a word of his 206 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: disappearance spread around the area, more than a hundred people 207 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: were looking for him by the end of the day. 208 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: And the next day they continued. They came back and 209 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: they continued sweeping the jungle. Found nothing, I mean, not 210 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: a trace, not not a little torn piece of clothing 211 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: or footprint or anything. After that, the Type Silk company 212 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: put up a ten thousand dollar reward for anybody who 213 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: found In the sixties and that yeah, so, I mean, 214 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: especially in the sixties in America, ten thousand bucks was 215 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: real money. You could buy a house, you know, and 216 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: imagine what that would be entirely for the rest of 217 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: your life money, Oh yeah, and that in that country, 218 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: tell ye, yeah, I mean it is today almost so yeah, 219 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: that's wow. Yeah, a lot of money. His friend Connie 220 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Mankscal also put some money up. The police put up 221 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: some re word money and still so that obviously motivated 222 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: lots of people who are out looking for but still 223 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't turning up, and rumors started began to start 224 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: around that he'd been kidnapped and taken out of the country, 225 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know what the basis of 226 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: those was. Yeah, well, I think I think I do 227 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: know what the basis of those are. But I think 228 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: that I think that we're going to get into some 229 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: of that in the theory sections. Yeah, exactly. And the 230 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: rumors might have started because I don't know how well 231 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: known his his association with the OSS slash CIA was. Well, 232 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have had to be so well, no, I 233 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: mean just a couple of little murmurs that takes Yeah, 234 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: well we've all seen burn Notice it just takes one 235 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: guy knowing because everything I know about spies I learned 236 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: from Burne. I'm I'm confused as to where his plucky, 237 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: semi alcoholic sidekick is at helping him out in all that. 238 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: But but no, I mean, you know, it really is. 239 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: It's it's just one person that you've dealt with before 240 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: that happens to know you, and I know. The theory 241 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: of he being you know, absconded and taken out of 242 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: the country is all that. There's talk about communist rebels 243 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: or something like that in the area, which I always 244 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: found weird because if you look at Malaysia on the map, 245 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: they're kind of ways away from what you would consider 246 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: the big communist stomping grounds like Cambilli and and and Yeah, 247 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a it's a good little distance, 248 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: and it would be a lot of effort to try 249 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: to actually, you know, to to get somebody out of 250 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: that area. Oh yeah, I probably would be so. And 251 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: they may well have been hanging around the area. I 252 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, you know, I don't know 253 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: what kind of communist insurgery insurgencies we're going on in 254 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: Malaysia at the time. There may have been well, yeah, 255 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: we'll get back to that a little bit. And speaking 256 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: of burn notices, I don't know if you knew this, 257 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: but he actually had a burn notice put out on 258 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: him Jim Thompson, Oh did he really? Yeah? Yeah, because 259 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: he was You really want to tell people what a 260 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: burn notice is? By the way, Yeah, burn notices when 261 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: like say, a company like the CIA tell basically puts 262 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: out a notice to everybody that none of them are 263 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: to have anything to do with this guy anymore, don't 264 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: talk to him. It's basically they blacklist him, right, pretty much. Yeah, 265 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're done, you're burned. You've got no contact. 266 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: Any contact that knows you will say they don't know you, 267 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: they won't interact with you. Yeah. So, yeah, he had 268 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 1: a burn notice put on him after he was appearance 269 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: or before. I think it was about nineteen sixty two, 270 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: right around their early sixties. Um, yeah, he was. He 271 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: was actually opposed to US policy in Southeast and Southeast Asia. 272 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: He felt that he felt that really we we should 273 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: be working with guys like ho che Man and stuff 274 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: like that. He felt like we should be not starting wars. 275 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: And he also felt that the CIA was was getting 276 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: too militarized. He felt like they were just too much 277 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: like an army and not enough just just being a 278 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: spy and intelligent gathering it from agency. Sounds like a 279 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: man before his time. Yeah, he was. So he was 280 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: openly critical of US policy and that's probably the reason 281 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: he got black or burned, burned, and so yeah, I 282 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's really interesting. Yeah, well of course 283 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: made that joke. Yeah no, no, it's true. Well, I 284 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: actually shouldn't say it's true. It's something I read in 285 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: the internet. So obviously we don't know that it's true. Yeah, 286 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: well let's get back to the manhead for a second here. 287 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: So of course, as there were the rumors, Okay, enough 288 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: of that. And on April one, another search was begun. 289 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: Uh Edwin Black was a general in the U. S. 290 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: Army and he had known Thompson since World War Two. 291 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: He came there with a couple of guys, one of 292 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: the one of whom was like a scout, and I 293 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: forget what the other guy was, he was just a civilian. 294 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: And they were These were guys who knew the jungle, 295 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: knew that area well, and they knew all about the jungle. 296 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: So they head out to search, and they got together 297 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: with two other men from the police force and they 298 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: calmed the area again on even further out into the 299 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: jungle for about about two days and found absolutely no trace. Eventually, 300 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: after eleven days of searching, it started winding down. On April, 301 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: a Britain named Richard Noon arrived. This is another guy 302 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: who knew the jungle well, and he went out with 303 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: a couple of guys in search and he searched beyond 304 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: where the other searchers had been had reported reportedly gone, 305 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and they saw some Aborigines who hadn't seen it, has 306 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: not seen a trace of Thompson. And eventually they gave 307 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: up the search and came back and he talked to 308 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: reporters and he said that he was sure Thompson was 309 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: not in the jungle. No. I read this in a 310 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: lot of the documentation, and I know you've said it 311 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I just want to clarify 312 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: to make sure I understand this. When you say Aboriginal, 313 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: that's just I mean, that's that's local basically, Is that correct. 314 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: That's that's not that's somebody who is from the area 315 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: that isn't you know, westernized and living in this city. 316 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: It's more of they live out in the jungle and 317 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: they do what they do is kind of a subsistence space. Yeah, 318 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: like the original tribesman. So if you look at it, 319 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: if you look at a place like Malaysia, besides besides 320 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: Brits and Americans coming and living there, there's a uh, 321 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, Chinese and Japanese and all kinds of other 322 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: people who have also come in. But these are the 323 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: original local inhabitants of the area. And I just wanted 324 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: to clarify that because I know initially what I heard 325 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: when I read that term. Whenever I hear and this 326 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: is just because of the popular things that we hears. 327 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: I hear aboriginine and I think you think Australia. I 328 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: think Australia. That doesn't make any sense. Well, I don't know. 329 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean, these may have been Australian Aborigines who call it. 330 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. First description was accurate, not the same, 331 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: probably probably if you know what they everybody else calls 332 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: what we call Native Americans. Yes, those are also Aborigines. Yeah, 333 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: better term. Yeah. Next Next in our drama, a psychic 334 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: named Peter Hurkos arrived. He was an American and he 335 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: apparently nobody invited him. He just sort of showed up, 336 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: just knew something was wrong. Yeah, he's a psychic. Yeah, yeah, 337 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: he might have read something in the newspaper too. If 338 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: he was so psychic, why didn't you show up before 339 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: he disappeared? You know? In his favor, I got to say, 340 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: it's just because your psychic doesn't mean you can see 341 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: the future. So by way, our psychic went to the 342 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: cottage where Thompson had been staying and put on a 343 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: little a little dramatic dog and pony. Can you describe 344 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: it for me? Can I describe it? Yeah? Well, he 345 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: kind of went into a trance and then said and 346 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: did a lot of stream of consciousness. I don't want 347 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: to actually quote his entire thing because it really goes 348 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: on for quite a while and it's a little racist. Yeah, 349 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: I found it racist reading it. You found it well 350 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: than it was. Do you want to read it? No? 351 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't. But he spits out I mean, the whole 352 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: thing is long, but he spits out these garbleygook were 353 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: words which when I read them phonetically, I could see 354 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: how they sounded like something from an Asian language, Like 355 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: he didn't know what he was doing. He was just 356 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: trying to spit out words. It maybe sounded like something 357 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: in a local dialect, hoping he would land upon something. 358 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: So that's why I said it sounded a little racist. 359 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: Well yeah, so he um he Finally, when this was 360 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: all done and he comes out of his trance, he 361 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: said that Thompson had been kidnapped and taken to another country, 362 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: just like the rumors. And he also said that Thompson 363 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: was not being held for ransom, So that means apparently, 364 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess he was being taken to be interrogated or 365 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: some kind of political prisoner. Yeah, yeah, maybe, you know, 366 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if if he if it was suspected that 367 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: he still had contacts in the CIA, which of course, 368 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: of course he probably didn't. Not everybody maybe do that. 369 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody thought that they could interrogate him and torture 370 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: enough to get some useful information out of him. Yeah, 371 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, well, yeah, I mean 372 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: we've learned a lot about what some people will do. 373 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's not always like yeah, hey, 374 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: by the way, we have this person and we're gonna 375 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: release them if you give us a million dollars. You know. 376 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's well, we're probably going to need to negotiate 377 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: with something at some point, so let's just keep this 378 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: person on the back burner and eventually we'll use them. 379 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: And eventually they just like procrastinated a little too long, 380 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: and they were all old and you know, and they 381 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: felt bad and they become friends and yeah, or they're 382 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: movement fell apart and they all got hauled away, and 383 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: knows about ability, they forgot that they had a prisoner 384 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: locked up to that. For Jim, Yeah, I just took off. No, 385 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't think so. But so one last strange occurrence. Uh, 386 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: And nobody knows if this is related or not. But 387 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: five months after he disappeared, his sister was murdered. That's weird. 388 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: She was blunting, wasn't she like a crowbar, like a 389 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: brutal then. Sure, they didn't recover the weapon, but they 390 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: thought it was either like a crowbar or something like that. 391 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: It was blood. There's blood splattered all around. Yeah, you say, 392 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: the police report said there was literally blood on every 393 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: wall of her bedroom. Yeah, and they don't And it 394 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: was an unsolved murder. Yeah, it was that the police. 395 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: The police said that it was not related. But how 396 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: the hell would they know that? I mean, it might 397 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: have been. I mean I can't. I can't say one 398 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: way or the other. And she was not like a 399 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: public figure in her own right. She was also a 400 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: good bit older than he was. She was like nine 401 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: years older than him because he because he was born 402 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: in n six, he was like in his he was sixty, 403 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: I believe, and she was. That's not that's not totally 404 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: unusual though, No, but but she's a fair bit older. 405 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: There's a bit of a generational gap there. You know, 406 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: if I was going to run in certain circles and 407 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: do something, and my brothers through who's around the same age, 408 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: would likely be involved in those same things. But when 409 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you get ten, twelve, fifteen years apart, there's less chance 410 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: of that. But there's also like an even less chance 411 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: of you being kidnapped and your sister being blunted to death. 412 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: It does seem to you, right, Yeah, so it's yeah, 413 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: it is one of those weird things that maybe maybe 414 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: it adds something, maybe it doesn't. Yeah, there might be 415 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: there might be an angle here that nobody, nobody really 416 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: knows about. There might be somebody who had a grudge 417 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: against the family and they kidnapped him and murdered him 418 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: and then murdered her five months later. It's possible, but nobody, 419 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, nobody knows. There's no evidence that these things 420 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: are related, but it kind of seems like maybe they 421 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's that whole again. 422 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, the whole kind of grasping 423 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: at straws. There's not a whole lot of information, So 424 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: there really isn't If there's two weird occurrences connected to 425 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: one thing, it's hard. It's hard to not connect them. Yeah, 426 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, but it could be I'll add that to 427 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: my list of theories, is that he actually wanted to 428 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: murderous sister so he disappeared and then yeah, and then 429 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: if they ever arrested, you can say, hey, I was 430 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: I was disappeared at the time I was disappeared, dude. 431 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: The reason Joe suddenly turned a ninety ree corner on that, 432 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemens, because I gave him the are you 433 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: kidding me a look? Yeah, so crap, you guys, Joe 434 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: is gonna go missing, goes missing, and I'm moving me 435 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: too immediately. So you guys ready to talk about some series? 436 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: And there lots of series out there, they really are, 437 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: and some of them are some of them are pretty 438 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: outland is do you want to start with the more 439 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: mundane ones? You let's just take him in order as 440 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: you got him on here. Yeah. I slapped him down 441 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of randomly. That's perfect. Yeah. Okay, So first the 442 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: one you got lost in the jungle and E actually 443 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: just died some you know, I mean from whatever, fell 444 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: down and fell down a ravine or over a cliff, um, 445 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: so that that seems so unlikely to me. I mean, 446 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, Okay, the jungle is dangerous, but if 447 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: he had the life that you described prior, it seems 448 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: like he would have like known how to traverse the 449 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: jungle and been pretty hardened. And yeah, he well he 450 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: apparently according to people who knew him, he apparently had 451 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: had jungle survival training and all that stuff. And so 452 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: he actually just the day before, he and his friend 453 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: dr Ling had been out at a walk in the 454 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: jungle and they got lost just the day before and 455 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: they found their way out. Um, so that is one though, 456 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: But but there are I mean, the jungle does have 457 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: dangerous stuff going on going on in it, and well, 458 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: and the thing about the jungle is okay, so there's 459 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: like several hundred people at a time combing the jungle 460 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: for you, but it's still the jungle. And by that 461 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean lots of vegetation that's dense. And if I 462 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: get hurt, you know, I falled down own or something 463 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: bites me and takes a chunk out of me, and 464 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm not doing so well, and I crawled up against 465 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the edge of a tree to try and hide against 466 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: it and hide behind some leaves and then I die there. 467 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: You know, somebody could walk two ft next to it 468 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: and never know that the body was Okay, it happens 469 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: all the time. So I'm I'm gonna like duel side 470 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: this for a minute here, So I'm willing to say 471 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: that it's possible. But given the credentials of the people 472 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: who were looking for him, they would have seen something. 473 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: They wouldn't know. I mean, they would have It's not 474 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: even like I would think, so I'm like they would 475 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: have seen something. If he was bleeding and crawled any 476 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: amount of distance, they would have seen something, whether it 477 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: was a massive flies going to that spot or the 478 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: actual blood stain, or there should be physical wild disturbance 479 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: where he because he would have fought right, I mean, 480 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been like a just random like oh, 481 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: one bite and then you're dead. And if it was well, 482 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: and they do one bite and they poison you and 483 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: they take off right, but then you would fall down 484 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: and you would disturb I'm just saying I understand that 485 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: there should be physical side. On the other hand, if 486 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: you are a trained spy, trained and espionage trade and 487 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: how to move through the jungle without leaving a trace, 488 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: you just naturally fall into that. I can tell you 489 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: from personal experience that you fall into. That thing about 490 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: it is though, is that if you're lost, and like 491 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: saying the jungle or wherever, you're gonna want to leave 492 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: marks for your for your own reference point, because if 493 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: you wind up going in circles, you want to know this, 494 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: and so you need to like so you gotta break 495 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: branches deliver. So then the assumption would be that he 496 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: didn't know he was lost. That's at a certain point 497 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: he must have known he was lost, right, But I think, 498 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, the assumption is right that like he didn't 499 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: know he was lost and he got like bit by 500 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: a snake and just fell down dead. Okay, well, but 501 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: then I still maintain that like a snake isn't gonna 502 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: eat the whole, you know, so there would have been 503 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: signs the like well, I mean, and then yeah, some 504 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: remains would have been found. I mean, obviously scavengers would 505 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: have come along and shooting and yeah, yeah, and so 506 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: so it's kind of mean. I think it's possible still 507 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: if he got lost and somehow just died by accident. 508 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: I found a quote from the Internet regarding this. I 509 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: know the person said basically and I cleaned up the 510 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: cleaned up the grammar just a little bit. But his 511 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: quote is quote people in the Malaysian jungle like people 512 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: climbing up mountains covered with snow. Many get lost, many 513 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: van as Jim Thompson is one of them. So that's 514 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: what this guy said on the internet. Uh, here's another 515 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: quote with somebody in the Malaysian jungle. To walk away 516 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: from a group or walk away from your house in 517 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: the evening is a high risk. There's a high risk 518 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: thing even today, not to talk about forty years ago. 519 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: But it wasn't. And I've never been in the Malaysian jungle. 520 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: I've been in other jungles, have never been in the 521 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Malayian Gungal, but it sounds like, you know, it's very 522 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: very easy to get lost in those jungles. Well, I guess, 523 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: depending on the account. Either way, though, I don't think 524 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: that in March three thirty or one thirty, respectively, are 525 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: the evening. Necessarily you have a reference and even if 526 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: it is cover you know, again, I just go back 527 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: to his training and the credentials of people who were 528 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: who were looking for him. I find it hard to 529 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: believe that if he had simply been lost and died 530 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: in the jungle that he would have never been found. Yeah, 531 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: either you know, either he wouldn't have been lost, or 532 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: he would have left Mars, or somebody would have found him. Yeah, 533 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: and they would have like say, say, if you've gotten 534 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: lost and died and then animals eating on him, they 535 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: would have drug his stuff, you know, his clothes would 536 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: have been spread all around and stuff like that. And 537 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: so especially if it was like an actual predator like 538 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: a tiger or something, they would have pulled him up 539 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: into a tree. There would have been a fight, a 540 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: struggle the tiger. I don't know if there would have 541 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: been that much of a fight. There would have been 542 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a struggle. I'm sure. I mean 543 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: they're not it would yeah, but they're not like secret killers, right, 544 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean they leave behind a bit of a fuss 545 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of a mess. Yeah. Blood 546 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: and the tigers in Militia there are okay. Yeah, I 547 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: was wondering if you're just making up an example of 548 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: a big cat or not. You guys are really serious 549 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: about the tea now. Actually that that is another one 550 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: the theories is that he was eaten by a tiger 551 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: or something, you know, And and so that is one 552 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: of the theories. Of course, the tiger is not going 553 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: to go to the trouble to hide the remains, and 554 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: so they probably would have stumble across the remain. But 555 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: some big and I don't know what big cats are 556 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: in that area, and maybe you guys have a better 557 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: idea than I do. I didn't think to look into that, 558 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: but some big cats are a lot of them are 559 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: known to drag whatever they kill up a tree. Yeah, 560 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: but then you see the drag mar potentially maybe you're 561 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: you're you're searching, and you're standing under the tree, just 562 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: sort of like standing there looking around, and suddenly you 563 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: feel this drip drip, like predator on the top of 564 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: your head. Yeah. No, I mean, you know, I think 565 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm standing by my my assertion that if you're if 566 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: you're not seeing the actual remains, you're seeing the scavengers 567 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: that are coming after. I'm not discreening with you at all. 568 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: You know, it happens for a long time. Yeah, So well, also, 569 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that the man hunt went on 570 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: for days, and so obviously the tiger had it, had 571 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: himself a pretty decent meal, and then and then and 572 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: then uh, there's still there's from the tiger's point of view, 573 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: there's all these people out there. It's good eats, you know, 574 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: why didn't he eat somebody else? So I don't know 575 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: if there are tigers are there? Um, did the Aborigines 576 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: do like tiger pits or absolutely that just that's another 577 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: one of the theories is that apparently that they did 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: use tiger pits to catch tigers. And one of the 579 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: theories is that he was wandering through the generally he 580 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: fell into a tiger pit. And I don't know what 581 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: the protocol is for a tiger pit. I mean, in theory, 582 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: they're they're still camouflaged. I mean, obviously a tiger is 583 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: not just gonna walk into an open hole yet to 584 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: cover them up with stuff. So he gets all the 585 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: way out and mostly onto this thing, and then it 586 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: collapses and he falls into the hole and he's impaled 587 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: on spikes, you know, all this stuff. And so when 588 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: you've done something like that, you obviously don't want your 589 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors walking into this pit. So wouldn't you 590 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: put some sort of sign or signal. I mean, you 591 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: can put a sign up it says danger tiger pit, 592 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: and the tiger is not gonna be able to read 593 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: a sign. So I don't know what the protocol is 594 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: or was back in those days or something like that, 595 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: but anyway, that is the theory is that he fell 596 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: into a tiger pit. The Aborigines come back and they 597 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: see that they've just killed a killed a white guy, 598 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: and you know, back in those days, it probably could 599 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: bring some some bad mojo down in your hand. Yeah yeah, 600 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: and so seeing this, they just said, well, let's just 601 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: fill in the hole. Dudes, what do you think? What 602 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: do you say? So that's that's possible. I guess that's 603 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: also you know, it's not depending on how like mooring 604 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: the tribes are. It's probably not a huge concern if 605 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: like some Dumbo from the neighboring tribe wanders into your 606 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: pit and kills himself because he's in your territory. And yeah, 607 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: well yeah, you know so, but this was this would 608 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: have been very close to a to a hill station, 609 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: which is basically a town. Yeah yeah, I mean out 610 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: in the deep jungle maybe, but close to a town 611 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: like that, you're gonna have all kinds of people walking 612 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: around out there. Okay, next there he got whacked yeah yeah, yeah, 613 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: not by the mob necessarily, but there's as possible that 614 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: he was there was a block, there was a hit 615 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: by a business or political enemies, a business competitor could 616 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: have had him killed. I have heard that that happens 617 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: in Thailand. I mean, and we were talking about he 618 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: was on the blacklist. So it's not inconceivable that you know, 619 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: his big ex business associates whacked him. Well, yeah, they're 620 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that. I'm sure they wouldn't 621 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: have whacked him just for basically criticizing US and c 622 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: I a policy. But they at this time they had 623 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: you heard of the secret War in Laos and all 624 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: that stuff, are America and all that stuff. I do 625 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: co host a podcast called Unsolf Mystery. Yeah, you have 626 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: heard of that. I have that was that bad movie 627 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: with was it Robert That was not a really a 628 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: good movie. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it 629 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: was kind of amusing in parts. But so they were 630 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: ramping up their sequel were in Laos, and since of 631 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: course obviously he wasn't in the loop on that, but 632 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: at the same time he had a lot of contacts 633 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: in Thailand Laos, so he quite possibly got wind of 634 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: that and maybe was talking about maybe threatening to go 635 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: public with the story. Yeah, so that would give them 636 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: a little motivation to haven'm whacked and again, bekase he 637 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: could have been whacked just by some political or excuse me, 638 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: by some business competitor, could have been that of course you. 639 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: At the same time, they didn't do a very good 640 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: job of it because the High Silk Company continued on. 641 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: So it would have made more sense to whack him 642 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: and also burned the company down, didn't do you correct 643 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I swear in the reading the 644 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: Tie Silk Company. Once he disappeared, they started using his 645 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: face and all their advertising and basically changed their name 646 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: to the Jim Thompson Silk Company. Yeah, like they just 647 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: embraced and use that. Yeah, they kind of milk the 648 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: whole thing, which is wild. Yeah, if you go out 649 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: to the web page, just like Jim Thompson dot com 650 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go 651 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: visit those guys if I ever get to, maybe maybe 652 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: somebody in the company, you know, knowing that they went 653 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: that round, I can wonder if maybe somebody in the 654 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: company is going, you know, we're doing all right, but 655 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: things are kind of flagging and we really really need 656 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: to drum up some public support and sympathy for the company. Uh, 657 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, Jim has kind of been a jerk for 658 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: the last five years and had enough of his crap. 659 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: It could have been an internal we keep talking about. 660 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: It could have been somebody external who came after him. 661 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: It could have been a company internal, you know, somebody 662 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: else in the situation. Yeah, somehow he doesn't strike me 663 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: as a jerk either. But you know, there's there's all 664 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: kinds of things that you don't hear about. I mean, 665 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: it's there's all kinds of details that always get lost 666 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: in the shuffle. But yeah, I think that if it 667 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: was somebody, somebody in the business, even for that matter 668 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: of business competitor, That's why I don't buy I don't 669 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: buy the whole theoria you got wiped by a business competitor, 670 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: because it would have made a lot more sense to 671 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: just stab him to death or shoot him in some 672 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: alley in Bangkok. Didn't leave his body there, Yeah, because 673 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: because Bangkok I think it's probably a more a more 674 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: dangerous place with a lot more yeah. Yeah, yeah, And 675 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, so it would really make a lot more 676 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: sense that just you know, shoot him and take his wallet, 677 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: his watch and that and so with that, and plus, 678 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: if you follow somebody all the way to Malaysia and 679 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: he's catching multiple flights to get there and everything, and 680 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: you're following him all the way there, you're gonna leave 681 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fingerprints. You're catching flights and stuff like that. Yeah, 682 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: there's a there's a paper trail. So that's why I 683 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, I don't think it was that. It 684 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: could have been the CIA, but again I think they 685 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: would have just whacked him in Bangkok too. Again, Yeah, 686 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: the number four or five, I don't know. But he 687 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: was accidentally run over, so he was he was just 688 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: walking down a road because there were people. Actually a 689 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: couple of witnesses saw him on roads. One person said 690 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: she swears she saw saw him and she recognized about 691 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: about four four o'clock PM on a road she came down. 692 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: He walked down the road and stopped in their garden 693 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: and looked around and then eventually left. That would make sense, 694 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it would make sense for somebody who knew 695 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: that the jungle was dangerous. But when it take a 696 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: lot a walk, Yeah, I go down the road. Yeah, Yeah, 697 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: there's no Yeah, I mean he went for a walk 698 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily go into the jungle. But but here's 699 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the one thing that with the and I know that 700 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: we haven't gone into this, but the thing that I 701 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: have a problem with about he took a long walk 702 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: is if he was gonna go for a walk, he 703 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: left a lot of things behind, Like he didn't take 704 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: a jacket, but one of the things that he didn't 705 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: take with him was his cigarettes because he was evidently 706 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: a notorious heavy, heavy smoker. And if you anybody who 707 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: knows the smoker, if they're going to be gone for 708 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: more than half an hour, they take their cigarettes with them. Yeah, 709 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: well but he left him behind unless they're taking a nap. Yeah, 710 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: but tak nap? And why did he go stare at 711 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: this person's garden a half hour to two and a 712 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: half hours later? That was yeah, that was two and 713 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: a half hours later. Yeah, so he was. But but 714 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: the thing about it is is they they found a 715 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: pack of smokes that were there, But that doesn't mean 716 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: to let the smokes behind him might have had more 717 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: than one pack, but it doesn't say that this open 718 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes. That's very true. And also we all 719 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: know smokers that you know have like five pack going 720 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 1: and yeah, this one, I'll just take the full pack 721 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: with yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, so you didn't necessarily leave 722 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: without a smokes. I mean that that is a relevant 723 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: I remember reading that his lighter wasn't with him, he 724 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: was there still in his room and stuff, which happened. 725 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: If he has actually a good five star smoker, he's 726 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: going to have more than one lighter. Two. I mean, alright, alright, 727 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: you shot me down. Yeah it doesn't. Yeah, it might have. 728 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: It might have been. It almost sounds like he was 729 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: going to go take a nap. But yeah, I mean 730 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: that whole sign off, right, I mean, like that's the 731 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: traditional like, hey, I'm gonna go sleep sign off like 732 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: gold they have been there have been a tiger waiting 733 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: for him by the hammock. Yes, and again I'm I'm 734 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: gonna god, I'm playing Devil's advocate here today. But you know, 735 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: I know, the whole good night sweetheart thing, I didn't 736 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: read that as just for when I'm going to go 737 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: lay down and take a nap. I read it more 738 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: as whenever you're gonna leave for a while, so I'm 739 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: going to go take a hike, Like let's say he 740 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: and his he and his friend, the day before we 741 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: had gone on a hike. So theoretically, the way I 742 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: interpreted it, they would have said to the ladies good night, sweetheart, 743 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: and left and they come back eventually from their walk, 744 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: whereas you two have both kind of interpreted that as 745 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: it's only a sleep sign off. I read it as 746 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: always whenever you were leaving Mike. My I guess might 747 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: come back to that would be if he was this 748 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: kind of survivalist that he you know, I was trained 749 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You tell somebody where you're going 750 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: you're going for a walk, especially if you're going for 751 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: walking the jungle, But if you're going for a walk, 752 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: you don't say like, oh goodbye, sweetheart, nothing, you're going 753 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: for a walk, good night, sweetheart. Yeah, I'm not I'm 754 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: not disagreeing with that, that makes sense. I just there's 755 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: just something missing in this a little bit. Yeah, maybe 756 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: he wanted to be alone. You would think you would 757 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: say something on the order of going for a walk, 758 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: anybody want to come with? Well, even if he wanted 759 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: to be alone, you know, I think he might have 760 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: wanted pretty reasonable to just say like, I'm going for 761 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: a walk by Yeah, and he didn't say that. We've 762 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: all done that when we were out like camping or whatever, 763 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: and you just need to get away from the group. Yeah, yeah, 764 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. So maybe he was run over most mysterious. Yeah, 765 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: my theory is that he was his his lighter stopped working, 766 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: and so he decided to go down to the Quickie 767 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: mark if by himself a new lighter and plus an 768 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: extra pack of smokes while he was down there, and yeah, 769 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: you got run over on the way. Anyway, let's get 770 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: back to thes here. So he was actually only run over, 771 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: so he was walking around on the roads. And I 772 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: have heard and I've never been to Malaysia. I really 773 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: wanted to go. Actually, I've got friends living over there. 774 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: I hope before they come back to the States, I 775 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: have time and money to get over. Yeah, it'll be 776 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: like the field assignment. Yeah, if you guys want to 777 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: come with, we can do it, like you know, we 778 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: can do our podcast edition. Yeah. But yeah, they live 779 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: in they live in Kuala On Poor and it would 780 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: be really a major fun to go over there. But 781 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: I diverge here. The Malaysian driving, I understand, is kind 782 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: of dangerous, you know what I mean, It's that way 783 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: in much of the world word. So if again, it's 784 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: like a tiger pit thing if you run over, if 785 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: you're all over this guy, you recognize him as not 786 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: just being a guy, but a white guy and a 787 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: famous white guy or famous rich white guy who's kind 788 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: of a national hero for Thailand. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And 789 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: they'd be thinking, oh man, my life is over. But 790 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: what if I had the body, And so they shoved 791 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: the body and some bushes and then after dark to 792 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: come back with a shovel and just and just bury him. 793 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: So I think that's what is actually a credible theory. 794 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: Do you guys have any thoughts on that theory at all? 795 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: I can see it happening. Yeah, so far it's a 796 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: good contender. Another theory is that he ran away from home, 797 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: and there are people that are actually positive this theory 798 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: that he, uh he was tired of his life and 799 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: wanted to just make a new start. And I don't 800 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: believe it because, uh, number one, he doesn't need to 801 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: go to a camera highlands to disappear and do that. 802 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: You can, you know, you can put his affairs in 803 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: order back in Bangkok. Also, he's a super rich, super 804 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: famous kind of national hero white dude, and so you 805 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: want to just like disappear, become like kind of homeless 806 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: and then be like, you know, dirt poor, and you know, 807 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: and and all this stuff. Why would it Why would 808 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: he do that? That makes utterly no sense. Alright. Our 809 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: next theory is suicide. People have claimed that he, you know, 810 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: committed suicide. I don't buy this one because nobody reported 811 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: him being depressed or anything like that. It's also hard 812 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: to commit suicide and not leave a body behind. I 813 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: was about to say, Okay, this this we could, we 814 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: could dive into this, but I think we've kind of 815 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: beaten the crap out of what would happen when we 816 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: were talking about the tiger bit is that there'd be 817 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: the body and there's all the signs and all the things. 818 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: It's more credible to me though, like if there were 819 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: a ravine or river, I don't know what the like 820 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: topography of that area is. But you know, he's trained 821 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: to not leave a trace, which we talked about, right, 822 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: So he's like he's deciding, I'm not going to leave 823 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: a trace, and I'm gonna throw myself into this ravine 824 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: and my body will float down the river out to 825 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: the sea. Yeah, but it's it's not likely too. It's 826 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, is it's gonna float down the river 827 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna get caught up in some logs and 828 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: snags and stuff. You'll be found. But there's a way 829 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: you can do it. Will you do it? Is you 830 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: get yourself, get yourself a carabineer, some heavy chain, and 831 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of large weights like you know, 832 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: use from weights, carry them into the exactly, you carry 833 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: them miles out of the jungle until you find a 834 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: deep pool and you basically chain the weights to your 835 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: neck and then and then lock them with the carabineer 836 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: and then just dive head first into the pool. That 837 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: seems really likely. Yeah, I know exactly. There wasn't a 838 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: lot of issues with Yeah. I mean, I think there 839 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: are ways to commit suicide and and conceal the body, 840 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: but they're not they're not easy, and so it's a 841 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: lot that's an obscene amount of planning. Yeah, No, so 842 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: suicide I think is kind of not so much for suicide. 843 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: Another theory is that he was abducted by communist guerrillas, 844 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: and apparently there were some communist guerrillas in the area, 845 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,959 Speaker 1: and that's that's what we talked about briefly at the beginning. Yeah, 846 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: exactly what exactly I mean, if they if they abducted him. 847 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: I suppose they could have just abducted him and killed him. 848 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: But here's the thing is that people being abducted by 849 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: communist guerrillas in the area didn't seem to be a 850 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: really common thing. Yeah, there's not a lot of stories 851 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: of that happening. Yeah, the communist guerrillas would very likely 852 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: have not had even any clue that he was there. 853 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: It would have been a totally random thing that they 854 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: stumbled upon him. And again, I'm not even convinced that 855 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: he was wandering around the jungle where the communists would 856 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: have been hiding. So I think we can dismiss this one, 857 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: not entirely, but kind of. So let's be fair. It's 858 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: not so far from Vietnam. Yeah, it's not. Well, it's 859 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: also not super clear, and it could have been it 860 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: could have been some like some Vietcong like field trip. 861 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they want a vacation. They could have been 862 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: left over and not known that the war was over. 863 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: The war was actually not over by that time. The 864 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: war had started, but it was it hadn't according I 865 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: think at that point, according to the U. S. Military, 866 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: it hadn't okay, well, accord, because everyone what the U. S. 867 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: Military says, when things do due, what's the next theory, 868 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: what's the next thing? Okay, kidnapped for ransom? Yeah, I 869 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: think we could listens this one out of hands. Okay, 870 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: we ever got a ransom note so and last of all, nope, 871 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: yea disappeared so we could get a sex change. And 872 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: the the reasoning behind this is that he wanted to 873 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: become like like an ascended master in silk and apparently 874 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: to learn to learn all the highest secrets of silk 875 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: and silk making and all this stuff. You have to 876 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: be a woman. I'm not saying I buy this, but 877 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: I've actually heard this, I've actually seen this. This is 878 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: a serious theory, I don't I've seen it out there. 879 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if these people were serious. I can't 880 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: believe anybody would take this seriously now, personally, I don't 881 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,839 Speaker 1: think so. I be honest, I thought you made this up. 882 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: I did too. I did not make it. This is 883 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: like a typical Joe print. I saw this on the 884 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: interwebs world. Wait, so recap, what would the reason be 885 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: for this to happen because he wants to become an 886 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 1: ascended master of silk making, and order in order apparently 887 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: to learn all the highest secrets of silk making, you 888 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: have to be a woman is forbidden to teach him 889 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: to a man. But he wasn't making this silk. He 890 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: was interesting. There was interested in the silk thing, I mean, obviously, 891 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: and I don't I think that most likely whoever put 892 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: this seria out there was just having fun too. I 893 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think anybody seriously could buy this. 894 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: I agree because and and also by the way he leaves, 895 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: becomes a woman, learns everything you can about kind of 896 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: about silk, but well, never puts it to use. Yeah, yeah, 897 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: I can't put it to use because so obviously it's 898 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, but it's kind of funny, and so I 899 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: thought i'd share it with our listening. Okay, Yeah, that's 900 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: that's way out in left field. So to wind up 901 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: our mystery, some bones were found in a few miles 902 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: down the road and another one of them hill station towns. Yeah, 903 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: then from where he was last seen, you know, the tribesmen. 904 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: He found the bones. They were buried in a shallow grave, 905 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: and they found the bones and gave them to the police, 906 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: and the police apparently apparently with some human bones no head, 907 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: and they gave them to the police, and the police 908 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,720 Speaker 1: apparently have never bothered to do any sort of DNA 909 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: analysis on those. And I don't know how easy that 910 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: would be. I guess you had to dig up his 911 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: sister and see if you can salvage a little DNA 912 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: from her. Well, I think you can like kind of 913 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: map the basic genome, right, you can at least tell 914 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: like what race that person to the DNA level, there's 915 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things. You can look at it and 916 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: you figure out isn't a man or a woman? Yeah, okay, 917 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: can we infer, as Devin said, the race, and then 918 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: if it is a white guy, then it would be 919 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: worth try to get the money to maybe, but also 920 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: maybe not if the Jungle of the Dangerous says they've 921 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: been saying, like there's a ton of stupid white dudes 922 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: out there on top of like the other like millions 923 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: of tribes people who have somehow And that's that's the thing, 924 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: is that you know it could be him, but there's 925 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: probably lots and lots of people who died and were 926 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,760 Speaker 1: buried in shallow graves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting 927 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: to find out. But apparently nobody's ticking the trouble to 928 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: do so so far. So that's it. So I'm gonna 929 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: go oh totally, Now I'm gonna go for. But the 930 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: theory I'm gonna go for a vote for is that 931 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: somebody who ran him down and just hit the body. 932 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? You know what? Honestly, that 933 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: one appeals to my common sense the most, knowing what 934 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: I know about him, knowing what I know about the 935 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: people who looked for him. He doesn't seem like the 936 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of guy to just be the bomber just gonna 937 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: wander into the jungle by myself telling anybody. Yeah, and 938 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: again he was lost the previous day and he found 939 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: that he found his way out, Yeah he did. He 940 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: seems like the kind of guy who would have been 941 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: able to get out of the jungle and he'd been 942 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: stuck there, he you know, would have left a trace 943 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: if he had been attacked walking down the road. Is 944 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: the logical, especially after getting lost maybe the night before. Right, 945 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, if you get lost the night before going 946 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: in the jungle, you're not going to be like I'll 947 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: just go back into twice. Yeah, used the roads and 948 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: you know, accidentally getting hit. Yeah, for whatever reason. I 949 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: agree with Joe tonight, and I see a lot of 950 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: credence in that. But there's this, this whole disappearance is 951 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: just so out of the blue for me that I 952 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of I kind of either Lee, I kind of 953 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 1: leaned towards somebody taking him. I'm not saying who took 954 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 1: game or for what reason, but it's just it's so 955 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: out of character for so many reasons that we said, 956 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: it's the only thing that I could see that would 957 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: make sense for why he would just vanish into the 958 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is that we've now we've done 959 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,959 Speaker 1: two mysterious disappearances in a row right at this point, 960 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 1: and neither of them brought up alien abduction, Like, which 961 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: is weird, right though, because like these are both like weird. 962 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: Especially this one is just like he just disappeared into 963 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: thin air and nobody's like, yeah, it was probably aliens, 964 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: Like that isn't even on the list, and like there's 965 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: so many other things that made it onto the list 966 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 1: that are crazy. There were there were no jungle crop circles, 967 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: there was no decimated cows, like there was nothing to 968 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: indicate that the aliens were there enough you would think 969 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: that they were going to be anywhere. They'd be in 970 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: the camera in highlands there. It's pretty here. Yeah, So 971 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: you don't know, but we're gonna we're gonna lay money, 972 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: I think on getting run over, because I still think 973 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 1: that if you're going to do something like kidnap him 974 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: or or just or kidnapping or just take him, kill 975 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: him and so his body in the river or something 976 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: like that, you would do it in Bangkok because that's 977 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: where he's at. He didn't, you know, I don't know 978 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: how many people he informed of his plans to go 979 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: to Malaysia. Probably not that many people knew, And so 980 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: it would just seem a lot simpler to do it 981 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: in Bangkok, where he is nine of the time. And 982 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: so that's why that's why I'm leaning towards that somebody 983 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: ran him over a kind of theory. And you know, 984 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: the thing about it is is when somebody gets run over, 985 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: you can go look for a car that's like got 986 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: damage to the grill. But that's the third world, where 987 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: every car is already beat up. So what are you 988 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, yeah. Okay, well I guess that's it. 989 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: I guess we saw that mystery. So yeah, time to 990 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: time to like tell you if you find facts like 991 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, well, first of all, find us on Facebook 992 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: and like us, like the hell out of us, Like 993 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: us multiple times if possibly can. Oh yeah, of course 994 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: you can find us on iTunes and you probably know 995 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: this because that's probably where you found us already. But 996 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: if you don't know this, yeah, find us on iTunes. 997 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 1: You can download our episodes, leave a comment, leave a rating. 998 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: We would really appreciate that, especially a good rating. 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We've actually received some critical emails 1009 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: in the past and we appreciate those two because hey, 1010 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, feedback is good even you know, sometimes negative 1011 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: feedback can be more useful than positive. Yeah, there's things 1012 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: we do wrong and correct absolutely, so by all means 1013 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: be critical. And last of all, we have a little 1014 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: bit of listener email to read to you. So this 1015 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 1: email is from Mike. Uh. Mike says, I'm so glad 1016 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 1: I came across your podcast. It's shot up to my 1017 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: favorites quickly. I've always been highly interested in the Wow signal. Thanks, 1018 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: and that's how I found your show. It's right up 1019 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: my alley. It's done perfectly. Please never quit. I've binge 1020 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: listened all week and dread the depression that I'll hit 1021 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: once I catch up. I have a few topics that 1022 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: you guys can look into, and it gives us a 1023 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 1: couple of things, one of which we're we're about to do. 1024 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,399 Speaker 1: He don't don't give it away. There's like five suggestions here. 1025 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't know Okay, okay, yeah, so we're going to 1026 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 1: do one of those. Don't worry. Uh. And then it 1027 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: says I only really know famous unsolved mysteries. I wish 1028 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: I had a not so known one for you. I 1029 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: really just wanted to say how much I've been enjoying 1030 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: your podcast. I love that the three of you take 1031 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: the bull crap like ghosts and magic and stuff completely 1032 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,839 Speaker 1: out of the equation in a mat and look at 1033 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,399 Speaker 1: the matter in a realistic way. Thanks for reading. Oh, 1034 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: thank you, Mike. I love I love this like you 1035 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: like getting Yeah, I do well. I mean, as we've 1036 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: talked about, like I like the negative ones too, in 1037 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,799 Speaker 1: that it gives us something to improve on because we're 1038 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 1: human and we are not perfect, and we don't know 1039 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: what we're doing wrong. Sometimes I really just think we 1040 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing because we don't we have 1041 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,479 Speaker 1: no idea what we're doing. We're just three people sitting 1042 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: in a room talking microphones and then putting it out 1043 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: and people are liking it. It's pretty random. Yeah, but thanks, thanks, 1044 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,399 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Actually, the email and uh, that's 1045 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: about it for this week. Tune in next week when 1046 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: we're going to solve a really exciting mystery. It's the 1047 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: mystery of I'm just kidding. I'm not going to tell 1048 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaker 1: you it's gonna by guys. Uh,