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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thicking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as
Speaker 1: always by Steve and and it's time for another mystery. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this week, we're gonna talk about a good one. This
Speaker 1: involves like the Nellis Air Force Testing Range in Area
Speaker 1: fifty one and all kinds of cool stuff. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's jump right in. Uh, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the very strange disappearance of a guy named Kenny
Speaker 1: Beach in the mountains just east of the Air Force
Speaker 1: range that I just mentioned. Uh, this happened in late
Speaker 1: so that means that we are kind of breaking our
Speaker 1: five year rule just a little bit. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: just barely out there. Yeah, it's less than a year away.
Speaker 1: But but I've been following this story for two or
Speaker 1: three years now and there's been no movement on it
Speaker 1: at all. So I think we'll probably saved. And for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know what we're talking about, UM,
Speaker 1: we have a rule where we won't cover a case
Speaker 1: that is five years old, but that hasn't been active
Speaker 1: for less than five years, right, so you know, people say, like,
Speaker 1: who Banks he is? That's you know, twenty years old.
Speaker 1: No it's not, because Banks is still a thing, right,
Speaker 1: But sometimes we will break our rule for things like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will actually it's it's pretty close to the margin. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but I think people need to know about this story.
Speaker 1: We need to find Kenny, and I'm sure we've got
Speaker 1: some Las Vegas listeners. You kill Kenny somebody. That's the
Speaker 1: only time we're making a joke. Right in some comments
Speaker 1: sections out there in the web, some people have made
Speaker 1: that comment. No, okay, but back to Kenny here. I
Speaker 1: wanted to give a shout out real quick like to
Speaker 1: our listener Jacob, who suggested this story a while back.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jacob. Here's where some people put the starting point
Speaker 1: of our story, which would be December. A YouTuber are
Speaker 1: called Serious Disclosure, which posts a lot of like UFO
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, paranormal, paranormal, extraterrestrial stuff. Yeah. They posted
Speaker 1: a video that day called Son of an Area fifty
Speaker 1: one Technician, which is an interview of a guy named
Speaker 1: Paul h Utes whose father worked on secret government projects
Speaker 1: out there around and near are. That's what he says. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of his work took place in the Nellis
Speaker 1: Air Force Range, near where our mystery takes place, just
Speaker 1: a hop skip jump away and you may have heard
Speaker 1: of this. It takes up an enormous chunk of southern
Speaker 1: Nevada northwest of Las Vegas, and it includes of course
Speaker 1: Area fifty one. Didn't we talk about this at one
Speaker 1: point that Utah is like owned by the Air Force.
Speaker 1: It's some in absurd percentage of Utah is owned by
Speaker 1: the military. Yeah, I mean the Western United States, an
Speaker 1: absurd amount of his own by the federal g But
Speaker 1: you talked particularly are you talking to Nevada, Nevada both, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the four Corners areas. Yeah, Yeah, there's a ton of that,
Speaker 1: especially like Nevada. I really got to the brunt of
Speaker 1: it for things like Area fifty one and also nuclear testing.
Speaker 1: A lot of news like a beautiful empty desert to
Speaker 1: do you and White Sands which is beautiful but also
Speaker 1: terrifying probably radioactive as hell, so radioactive. Yeah. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: back to our video this, uh Paul, you guy said
Speaker 1: that his father got drunk one time they were in
Speaker 1: Germany at some sort of like you know, beer garden
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Is that UTS? I think it's because
Speaker 1: it's spelled the way that US potatoes spelled. I thought
Speaker 1: they pronounced that. Yeah, that's fine. UTS is probably the
Speaker 1: mispronouncing that should have been. I don't remember there at
Speaker 1: October and father starts. His dad starts talking about some
Speaker 1: of his secret stuff that had been working on for
Speaker 1: all these years, and he talked about this one thing.
Speaker 1: Apparently what mostly what he was doing there was he
Speaker 1: was being handed alien technology and they expected to kind
Speaker 1: of reverse engineer it. That's what he said. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. Yeah, And so one of the biggest project
Speaker 1: he worked on was this thing where they were trying
Speaker 1: to essentially create a whole new kind of energy source.
Speaker 1: And they had this project that was going and it used,
Speaker 1: it had a lot of organic components to it, and
Speaker 1: it never wind up working in the end. But his
Speaker 1: dad told him that this thing almost when it was
Speaker 1: like all put together and everything almost it was quote
Speaker 1: actually i'll quote it here, almost like it had a
Speaker 1: consciousness unquote. How how far into this guy's video were
Speaker 1: you able to make it? I watched it all the
Speaker 1: way through. You you have a better constitution than I do.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I think I got maybe like
Speaker 1: a minute and a half. I felt like I had
Speaker 1: to get all the way through. But I feel like
Speaker 1: you try to skip on videos like this and then
Speaker 1: you have to go back. You're like it makes it worse,
Speaker 1: it takes longer. You might as well just sit down
Speaker 1: and suffer through it. It's kind of like porn, yeah,
Speaker 1: where you like skip ahead and you're like, we'll not
Speaker 1: have to go back and understand why they're doing that
Speaker 1: action that because it's the script doesn't make sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: the dialogue just doesn't line up. I'd say stuff like, wow,
Speaker 1: that doesn't look very comfortable. Yeah, yeah, that looks kind
Speaker 1: of a natural. But anyway back to our thing. Okay.
Speaker 1: Another YouTuber, a guy named snake Bit McGhee, the name
Speaker 1: entire Yeah, that's kind of a cool name. He watched
Speaker 1: the entire video and uh commented on it, and here's
Speaker 1: what he had to say, Steve, would you mind reading this?
Speaker 1: Should I do this in my David decompany voice, no
Speaker 1: regular voice? This ain't nothing. I'm a long distance hiker.
Speaker 1: One time, during one of my hikes out by Nola's
Speaker 1: Air Force's, I found a hidden cave. The entrance of
Speaker 1: the cave was shaped like a perfect capital M. I
Speaker 1: always enter every cave I find, but as I began
Speaker 1: to enter this particular cave, my whole body began to vibrate.
Speaker 1: The closer I got to the cave entrance the worst
Speaker 1: the vibrating became suddenly I became very scared and high
Speaker 1: tailed it out of there. That was one of the
Speaker 1: strangest things that ever happened to me. All Right, thanks Steve,
Speaker 1: And uh so that's from snake Bitt McGee, who, of
Speaker 1: course was none other than Kenny Beach. Yeah, it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: and his comment got some unkind replies from some skeptical
Speaker 1: people out there. You nice, Yeah they were. They made
Speaker 1: fun of him, and there was there was there was
Speaker 1: some other things here, like he said one time, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go back. Uh this is actually I got
Speaker 1: some of the stuff off of Reddit because it turns
Speaker 1: out the original video they disabled the comments unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they are gone. So but luckily there are people
Speaker 1: out there that snagged the that snagged them. And also
Speaker 1: we have the like way back Machine, Freezy Healthy. Well
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't know if YouTube is one of them,
Speaker 1: because I I guess I just haven't checked recently, but
Speaker 1: there are a lot of sites, the bigger name sites
Speaker 1: that disabled the way back Machine, which I ran into
Speaker 1: recently with one of our cases where it was just
Speaker 1: kind of like it was you couldn't even crawl bastards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate that anyway, But screen caps. I got some
Speaker 1: screen caps, he says, some some Reddit eues. It's just
Speaker 1: what obviously, as you can imagine, was discussed intensely on Reddit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometime in late he after some taunting, he commented again,
Speaker 1: I'm going to add it this a little bit. But
Speaker 1: he commented Kenny snake Bit said, I am going back.
Speaker 1: I will film what I saw. I can't say it
Speaker 1: will be interesting. Maybe it's just a strange looking cave
Speaker 1: that has a mountain lion living in it. It should
Speaker 1: be sometime this week. I'll have my nine milliment with
Speaker 1: me this time, just in case. Last time I was
Speaker 1: unarmed and that very dangerous terrain. The mountain is located
Speaker 1: right next to a bombing range. I found some giant
Speaker 1: a few rounds of AMMO before and he goes on
Speaker 1: a little bit like that and then ended up. I
Speaker 1: hope it turns out to be something crazy that would
Speaker 1: be so cool. And yeah, it sounds a lot like Kenny.
Speaker 1: It does sound like Kenny, doesn't it. Kenny, by the way,
Speaker 1: when he left on his final four right to the
Speaker 1: m K, he was forty seven, but he had that
Speaker 1: kind of kind of did not seem youthful enthusiasm about him.
Speaker 1: I thought he really didn't look like he was. He
Speaker 1: didn't look or speak or act like he was for
Speaker 1: he acted like a twenty something near two mid twenties. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he did. He he was young at heart. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt. I shouldn't say it was he was slash
Speaker 1: is hard because we don't know what happened to Kenny, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then uh, and then after he went out in
Speaker 1: early October, I think because he wanted to go out
Speaker 1: and find this cave again to prove these people wrong.
Speaker 1: He wanted film it, documented everything, because the Internet is
Speaker 1: taunting him. And the best thing to do when the
Speaker 1: Internet taunts you is to show the Internet it's wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so, as as per these comments that I just
Speaker 1: read some excerpts from, he did indeed go back. He
Speaker 1: went sometime early October, took it it, took his video
Speaker 1: camera with him like he said he would, and he
Speaker 1: posted a video of this trip on October seventeen. Let's
Speaker 1: play a clip from the video so you can all
Speaker 1: hear Kenny speak for himself. Yeah, I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: cave that I I found, and I didn't have a
Speaker 1: I didn't have a side arm when I was here before,
Speaker 1: and something about that cave just spooked me. At all
Speaker 1: the caves I've ever gone in, this one just made
Speaker 1: my body vibrate. The closer I got to it, the
Speaker 1: crazier my body felt. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go in there right now, but I'm
Speaker 1: coming back someday. And I talked to some people on
Speaker 1: YouTube and I told me I'm coming out here, you know,
Speaker 1: because they kind of called my hand on it. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be anything to it,
Speaker 1: but it might be interesting if I can find it.
Speaker 1: I got to relocate it. And this is a big
Speaker 1: mountain range I'm in and uh, I'm not. I'm on foot,
Speaker 1: you know. My truck's way out there. There's no roads,
Speaker 1: there's no trails. It's a pretty rough terrain, so hopefully
Speaker 1: i'll find it. It's shaped like a big M. It's
Speaker 1: a big cave that looks just like a gigantic M,
Speaker 1: and it's about as tall as I am and kind
Speaker 1: of narrow, and it's stuck on the side of a mountain.
Speaker 1: So I hope I can find it again. And if
Speaker 1: if I do, I'm I'm going in there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put on my light and take my gun out and
Speaker 1: walk in there. See if I find anything, we'll see. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's Kenny and I. I just would encourage. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people listen on their commutes or whatever,
Speaker 1: but if you have the ability to go out and
Speaker 1: watch the video, any of these videos, or even just
Speaker 1: parts of it, I mean, I know where I presume
Speaker 1: we're going to post those links on our website. Things
Speaker 1: said was podcast dot com um. But I mean, like,
Speaker 1: he's not just using a cell phone camera, and he's not.
Speaker 1: It's an old school camera. I think he is used
Speaker 1: as an old school handheld like cam. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's on a tripod, but a I don't think
Speaker 1: it's one of those enormous ones that had a VHS tape.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. But it's not just a
Speaker 1: handheld camera because at the very end of that video,
Speaker 1: he zooms into the antelope or bighorn sheep and then
Speaker 1: he zooms back out and you're like, oh, Mike, it's
Speaker 1: got a great camera. Yeah, but it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily like a go pro just strapped his head, which
Speaker 1: you would kind of you would now definitely an iPhone.
Speaker 1: It wasn't or it wasn't an iPhone on a selfie
Speaker 1: stick as some of the cameras that yah. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say it's a decent quality one like that zooming in
Speaker 1: on the on the sheep was that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: It was a really good It's got actual glass lens
Speaker 1: and to be able to do that that's not digital
Speaker 1: mag Yeah. And this is two thousand fourteen, so it's
Speaker 1: four years ago. And that's funny too. You know this
Speaker 1: this the YouTube video got more than well over ten
Speaker 1: thousand comments. I I read hundreds and hundreds maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a few thousand of them. And I don't know, but
Speaker 1: at the time of this reporting, all the way through,
Speaker 1: at the time of this recording, it was over eight
Speaker 1: hundred thousand views. Yeah, yeah, to a million views maybe
Speaker 1: talking about comments of the common comments huge yeah, and
Speaker 1: uh but but as you know, there's that one point
Speaker 1: it's kind of near the end where he he spots
Speaker 1: the big horn sheep way up in the cliffs and
Speaker 1: he zoom was real real close in and tight, and
Speaker 1: then the sheep sort of looks at him because he's talking,
Speaker 1: so the sheep probably hears him and she looks at him,
Speaker 1: and Kenny actually says, oh, he's looking at us. I
Speaker 1: think he must hear me talking. And then there's at
Speaker 1: least at least a couple of guys in the comments.
Speaker 1: It's so creepy when that sheep looks at him like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's just it is very interesting though, because
Speaker 1: you see he goes, oh, he's looking right at me.
Speaker 1: I guess i'd him out, and he zooms out and
Speaker 1: he like kind of keep like halfway through the zoom.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, well that's where Kenny's at, and then
Speaker 1: it just keeps out and you're like, well, god, how
Speaker 1: did he even see that? First of all? And then
Speaker 1: how did he zoom in so well that it looked
Speaker 1: like it was just as in focus as everything else,
Speaker 1: but probably not that important to it very much feels
Speaker 1: like though, you see these a lot of stuff flying
Speaker 1: Adventure Time where it's oh, they pan back and the
Speaker 1: pan just keeps going. Suddenly it's halfway across the universe.
Speaker 1: Kind of like that's what it feels like, because it's
Speaker 1: like a Google satellite situation. Yeah, Google Earth. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: Kenny a sheep so did he have any other videos
Speaker 1: on his Actually he did. He posted He posted several
Speaker 1: other ones on the same day that he posted this one.
Speaker 1: And there's one where he tries to sell his house,
Speaker 1: and that one up like a month and a half before.
Speaker 1: This one has a special twist. What is Kenny? What
Speaker 1: is kenny twist? Okay, well, let's listen to Kenny's own words. Now,
Speaker 1: this house is only approximately just just under four years old. Um,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful in every way. It's perfect and clean, and
Speaker 1: there's not a spot anywhere on any of the walls.
Speaker 1: And I'm putting this house up for sell along with me,
Speaker 1: I'm offering myself along with the house. So that's the niche,
Speaker 1: that's the unusual thing right there. So by the time
Speaker 1: this video is finished, you will know exactly what I'm offering,
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and hopefully you'll have fun watching
Speaker 1: the video and we'll see, you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Didn't he have a girlfriend? I'm not sure exactly how
Speaker 1: it wasn't selling the house in him as some kind
Speaker 1: of personal dirty slave. And he gets to he's your
Speaker 1: your maintenance guy, up keeping Maybe yeah, I think essentially
Speaker 1: what he wanted to do was have somebody pay him
Speaker 1: a bunch of money for the house, but he gets
Speaker 1: to keep living there. We've done some stories about people
Speaker 1: who have had that kind of situation before. I think, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: just quickly, how many total videos did Kenny post on
Speaker 1: this account? Not that many? Like five? I think it
Speaker 1: was like five. There was the selling the house one,
Speaker 1: the m K one, and there were were there were
Speaker 1: three where he um, he was trying to he was
Speaker 1: apparently trying to get on this TV show Shark Tank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he was promoting some showing out some of
Speaker 1: his cool inventions, like he had an approved toilet paper holder, um,
Speaker 1: and he had a glow in the Dark, the Glowler Bear,
Speaker 1: the Clowe in the Dark, polar Bear figurine and yeah,
Speaker 1: and all of they're like, all three of those are
Speaker 1: really well titled to They're like, Shark take Submission, super cool. Unique.
Speaker 1: You've watched the glower Bear, right, No, that was the
Speaker 1: only one. I watched that one. Oh my good god.
Speaker 1: I couldn't resist watching the gloler Bear. And he has
Speaker 1: some brass to him because it is he took it.
Speaker 1: I took this tin, but I found and he put
Speaker 1: a loan the dark sticker letters on it and snowflake stickers,
Speaker 1: and then he hands sowed this terrible polar bear. He's like,
Speaker 1: this is my hand pattern that I drew, and it's
Speaker 1: just this like weird, sketchy thing. And then eventually at
Speaker 1: the end of the video he shows it up close
Speaker 1: and it looks nothing like a polar bear. It's so craezy.
Speaker 1: It's not a polar bear. It's bearing about Penny. And
Speaker 1: I think we'll kind of get that as we get
Speaker 1: on with the story. Is that like he was a
Speaker 1: ballsy dude. It was. It was he was, and well
Speaker 1: he at least he really wanted to represent himself as
Speaker 1: a maverick cowboy adventurer. I know, we kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where in your script this is, but
Speaker 1: when he would go out on these tracks, he would
Speaker 1: like deprive himself. Oh yeah, for sure. He would do
Speaker 1: would take very little water and almost no food, and
Speaker 1: he's like twelve mile ten hour hikes over rough country.
Speaker 1: And I think that was kind of like part of
Speaker 1: his persona was the kind of like tough guy cowboy
Speaker 1: I can and crazy, crazy brave, you know, one want
Speaker 1: to take chances and speaking of which there's another video
Speaker 1: I think that was posted by his well now ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend of Kenny playing with a rattlesnake. You know, you
Speaker 1: guys have both seen that. I'm that's how that's is
Speaker 1: that how he gave him himself as YouTube handle, that's
Speaker 1: how he got his name. Apparently it's been bit a
Speaker 1: couple of times by rattlesnakes because well that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you mess with him. Yeah, okay, so they will
Speaker 1: bite you. And the thing that's like painful is I
Speaker 1: really really like snakes. My significant other and like everybody
Speaker 1: else in my life beside I am super pro snakes
Speaker 1: and how many snakes in my life and pants and whatever,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's kind of frustrated the videos like
Speaker 1: this where it's just like it's kind of man haling
Speaker 1: a snake. It is. And then when he decided to
Speaker 1: put the snake, he doesn't the worst. Yeah, well he
Speaker 1: did in a way that I I don't know if
Speaker 1: he thought it'd be safer that way, but it was
Speaker 1: really what he does is I would have just taken
Speaker 1: it and sort of like just chucked at a few
Speaker 1: feet away. Yeah, I wouldn't the proper the proper way
Speaker 1: to release his sneak is you hold it by the
Speaker 1: tail because they can't coil all the way back with themselves.
Speaker 1: And then there's a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: a wiggle shake, so they straighten out. And then they
Speaker 1: when you set them down, and you set them down
Speaker 1: head first and then let the rest of the body go,
Speaker 1: and they immediately go forward. They might turn and coil
Speaker 1: and get ready to strike back, but you're already too
Speaker 1: far away. And that is not what he does. But
Speaker 1: you know, what he does is he walks over far
Speaker 1: far away and then throws it up into this tree.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't actually get it to the tree. But
Speaker 1: also Radolson don't know. They don't, you know, and he pitches,
Speaker 1: he throws it up in the tree, and uh, the
Speaker 1: poor snake bounces off some branches and then falls and
Speaker 1: it bounces off some more branches and eventually hits the
Speaker 1: ground with a It's like, I felt kind of bad
Speaker 1: for the snake. He's like, oh, I wonder if for
Speaker 1: off gonna hurt you. But that's like I just you know,
Speaker 1: it was unkind. But also and I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think Kenny was a cruel guy. I think. I
Speaker 1: just think the thing about it too is that is
Speaker 1: that if he tossed it up and it hit a
Speaker 1: particularly springy branch and bounced off the tree and back
Speaker 1: on the very well could have happened. So it was
Speaker 1: just so Kenny. It sounded me like a fun, great guy,
Speaker 1: a lot of energy, but sometimes occasionally lacking a little
Speaker 1: bit of judgment. And yeah, and uh, I think as
Speaker 1: he's already sort of touched on it could be said
Speaker 1: he marched to his own drummer, and he uh, he
Speaker 1: wanted to do something bigger, you know, than what he
Speaker 1: was doing. He had had a job for years and
Speaker 1: he quit. Most of us, Yeah, and he quit his
Speaker 1: job about mid apparently, and he was just looking around
Speaker 1: for some new big thing. He wanted to do something,
Speaker 1: something creative that he could make a living, but without
Speaker 1: having a bunch of clocks like most of us. A
Speaker 1: lot of us want that. And he hadn't found that
Speaker 1: things weren't working out for him. Okay, obviously he was trying.
Speaker 1: We've had all those those shark tank things that weren't
Speaker 1: really getting them anywhere. Did you did you watch all
Speaker 1: of the shark tank things? No? No, not all of them,
Speaker 1: just some excerpts in the fields. They were all bad.
Speaker 1: They were they were none of them. Yeah. Good. There's
Speaker 1: a reason that they just sat on this unattended YouTube. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they were what did he had the redneck whistle?
Speaker 1: The redneck whistle? He had a weird knife thing to
Speaker 1: ry Well yeah, well, the well, there was the spinning thing,
Speaker 1: but the redneck whistle is my favorite because it was
Speaker 1: literally a stick with a hole that he had old
Speaker 1: trout by hand, with a bullet casing in the tip.
Speaker 1: Somehow he turned it. It was it was knocking. So weird, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so weird. Yeah. And so I think Kenny really wanted
Speaker 1: to be creative. Maybe he wasn't quite as creative as
Speaker 1: he thought he was. I don't know. But but he
Speaker 1: also had a girlfriend. He had a girlfriend and her
Speaker 1: name was Cherry and I think I'm pronouncing that correctly,
Speaker 1: but probably not sherryan pilgrim. Uh. And she actually has
Speaker 1: has had a few things to say about this whole thing, like,
Speaker 1: for example, the state of his finances. But about this
Speaker 1: time when he posted that that video on YouTube, said
Speaker 1: he was running out of money. He'd been living off
Speaker 1: of his retirement funds and money was running out and
Speaker 1: he was getting really worried about finances and depressed about
Speaker 1: the future. She's the one that you can hear in
Speaker 1: the Rattle Stake video. Yeah, she's the one that that
Speaker 1: was holding the camera. And there's there's videos there. I
Speaker 1: don't know it's actually I don't remember his video, but
Speaker 1: there's still of Kenny hanging through like an old gold
Speaker 1: mining shooting, and then she's in the shoot next to him.
Speaker 1: They're they're old dilapidated ruins is not the word idea,
Speaker 1: but it's like a ghost, the ghost, but she's the
Speaker 1: one next to him and they're still in that way.
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the few images of her that
Speaker 1: I've seen. If it's truly her, yeah, I believe it is,
Speaker 1: But you know, it's hard to say. She's she's a
Speaker 1: little bit of she's she's a little a little elusive.
Speaker 1: There's Yeah, there's something about her. Yeah, at least her
Speaker 1: presence on the internet. Yeah, and maybe she just just
Speaker 1: doesn't want to have that much to do with the Internet.
Speaker 1: But she did post that video that had a lot
Speaker 1: of stills. It was like kind of a montage of
Speaker 1: still Yeah, that's from yeah, And so that was that
Speaker 1: was posted like last year or the year before, but
Speaker 1: a couple of years after he disappeared. But okay, but anyway,
Speaker 1: this kind of gives you the background of our story. Okay,
Speaker 1: he you know, he was out of work and a
Speaker 1: little worried about money. You'd had this to do, just
Speaker 1: dust up on YouTube. He'd been out and posted and
Speaker 1: been out there to the Sheep Range. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if I mentioned where that that's where the cave is,
Speaker 1: the Sheep Range northwest of Vegas, and he had posted
Speaker 1: his video he wanted to go back out. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about first the video and if you're
Speaker 1: curious to see where exactly where this took place, of
Speaker 1: course you are, then let me tell you. It begins
Speaker 1: with Kenny standing next to an abandoned mind shaft. The coordinates,
Speaker 1: if you want to really know exactly where it is
Speaker 1: are be Are you ready thirty six point five five
Speaker 1: four seven four seven by negative point to eight eight
Speaker 1: six six zero. So there you go. Yeah, you couldn't
Speaker 1: point that on the map. You can, actually, yes, yes
Speaker 1: you can pretty precisely. And if you look at this, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you look at this on a map, June out
Speaker 1: a little bit. You see. Necess area is actually just
Speaker 1: east of the Nellis Air Force Range as I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: which is it provoked some speculation on the innerwebs about
Speaker 1: am maybe what happened to Kenny, like like maybe the
Speaker 1: military was was or is dumping dead alien bodies in
Speaker 1: the Sheep range or toxic waste. Perhaps. I know that
Speaker 1: In the video, Kenny's kind of zooms in. He goes
Speaker 1: to the top of this mind which is a vertical shaft,
Speaker 1: and zooms down to the bottom. There's an old, an
Speaker 1: old wooden ladder, a couple of ladders going all the
Speaker 1: way down quite a way, and he didn't try to
Speaker 1: climb down, which is one area where he showed a
Speaker 1: little sense because you know, I'm sure those ladders are
Speaker 1: rotten and wouldn't support him. That there are the very
Speaker 1: body we see an old rusty, an old rusty metal drum,
Speaker 1: and of course that's that's what some people say. Well,
Speaker 1: I wonder if the military put some toxic waist down there.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, these videos um triggered my
Speaker 1: SMR like whoa, because it's I mean, he's just like
Speaker 1: walking through like gravel roads and talking and I don't know,
Speaker 1: like if there's something something about it that really appealed
Speaker 1: to my brain apparently. But they're also it's also worth watching.
Speaker 1: It's only like twenty it's long, So if you have
Speaker 1: the ability to watch these videos, I would. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's not. I mean he spends a good five
Speaker 1: minutes talking about like some nuts that he found, ye,
Speaker 1: and then at the very end there's like another five
Speaker 1: minutes about him being like, let's look at this tortoise
Speaker 1: I found. I can't you can't touch it legally, you
Speaker 1: can't touch it. When we get as close as I
Speaker 1: possibly could touching it, and I loved it to The
Speaker 1: tortoise is sitting there and just got his arms with
Speaker 1: arms and legs and head sticking out, you know. Then
Speaker 1: Kenny comes out close, just put his hand next to it,
Speaker 1: so you can get an idea of the size of it,
Speaker 1: you know. But you could tell Kenny was like really
Speaker 1: hard not to touch it, Like he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you can't touch it. Who like, don't touch it. But
Speaker 1: now if you watch the video, as he gets close,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the tortoise goes.
Speaker 1: He just sucks everything. Yeah. No, I mean the video
Speaker 1: is pretty intense, But I would say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a twenty minutes well spent, especially minutes, especially if this
Speaker 1: is something that interests to you. But I would I
Speaker 1: would definitely watch it. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely if you're
Speaker 1: interested in this mystery, and of course you are, we're
Speaker 1: talking about it. Yeah, yeah, I know. But but anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the military dumping toxic waste. That's fine. Now
Speaker 1: that now we had to talk about the tortoise sooner
Speaker 1: or later. But uh, you know that actually makes sense.
Speaker 1: No one ever seems to go up in the sheep range.
Speaker 1: It's kind of godforsaken. Um okay, so sore, So how
Speaker 1: do so this whole thing is Kenny's gonna go find
Speaker 1: M cave. He's going up there to look for the
Speaker 1: M cave. So it starts so he starts that, so
Speaker 1: he starts at this mine shef But I'm gonna talk about,
Speaker 1: first of all, where he parked. He parked about four
Speaker 1: miles south of there. And now, and so if you
Speaker 1: want to get there, if you're actually in Vegas and
Speaker 1: you want to drive out there, it's easy to get to.
Speaker 1: You drive out Highway nine northwest from Vegas. You turn
Speaker 1: right on Corn Creek Road and go about four miles
Speaker 1: and the road tease right there at Alamo Road, so
Speaker 1: you gotta turn either left or right. Turn left which
Speaker 1: is north, and then go about three miles turn right
Speaker 1: on Joe May Road, which is the only road can
Speaker 1: turn right on. Is that I'm sorry? Is that somewhere
Speaker 1: close to the Ruby Tuesdays out there? I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's at least two Ruby Tuesdays on the way
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, but a good point by the way,
Speaker 1: and stopping for the milk shakes are awesome. And you
Speaker 1: get on Joe May Road, you drive about four miles
Speaker 1: and you get to the end of the road. That's
Speaker 1: where you are. You're at the south end of Joe
Speaker 1: May Canyon. And so that's where he purchased jeep. He
Speaker 1: hiked north up that canyon about four miles to the
Speaker 1: starting poart of the video, which is the mind shaft.
Speaker 1: And word of warning on this right. If you go
Speaker 1: out there, go take somebody, Take a friend, at least
Speaker 1: one friend. Definitely take some water with you. It's kind
Speaker 1: of be hot out there. Take a lot of water
Speaker 1: with you, wear some bhoots, yeah, take some food. Prepare
Speaker 1: for the day. Probably a first aid kill at least
Speaker 1: a compass first aid kit. Wear long pants for the rattlers,
Speaker 1: and good boots. Like I said, yeah, the great thing
Speaker 1: about water is water weighs a lot, but you can
Speaker 1: always stash some somewhere along the way to There's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys of ways to deal with that, but
Speaker 1: water is indispensable. Butt of all. It's it's the desert,
Speaker 1: so it gets freaking cold, and I will take a
Speaker 1: place of the coat. That's what. Yeah, layers, wear long pants,
Speaker 1: take lots of water with you. One thing I want
Speaker 1: to point out though here is that I know this
Speaker 1: for watching the video, but when we when we've been
Speaker 1: talking about it, this mine entrance, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not a mine entrance that is in the side
Speaker 1: of a hill. It's a vertical mind shaft with this
Speaker 1: weird metal contraption with a polleon top. Has all been
Speaker 1: planked over for the most part, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it made me very uncomfortable for reasons totally unknown, because
Speaker 1: you feel like it's gonna collapse. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: walk out on that wooden platform. Definitely had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with fall in New Vegas now, but yeah, if
Speaker 1: you if you decide to take this hike, though, as
Speaker 1: you're working your way up to the top of this canyon,
Speaker 1: is very near the top and you'll see the mine.
Speaker 1: There's this sort of this thing sticking up like a
Speaker 1: metal framework. You'll see it off on your right. It's
Speaker 1: sort of a top of a low hill that's taken
Speaker 1: more than one single Snickers bar with you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So when you get to the mine, that's about at
Speaker 1: elevation gang. So that's that's uphill and that's where the
Speaker 1: video starts. Right then, that's where it starts. From there,
Speaker 1: you go about a quarter mile north to what's called
Speaker 1: wild Horse Pass and you can find out on Google
Speaker 1: when you look for it. You'll see it as a
Speaker 1: little saddle there and you go over the past and
Speaker 1: from there Canny goes downhill to the north and then
Speaker 1: makes a left through a cleft between two cliffs and
Speaker 1: goes into what's called Picture Canyon, which makes yeah, which
Speaker 1: you can also find on Google. Um, it's marked, and
Speaker 1: that's where the cave supposedly was somewhere in Picture Canyon,
Speaker 1: and that this part of the video starts at nine
Speaker 1: minutes thirty seconds and we're talking finger canyons, right, uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Picture you go to the cleft and there's sort of
Speaker 1: a biggish sort of roundish area, large area, and then
Speaker 1: and then there's a valley that goes off to the north,
Speaker 1: a canyon that goes out to the north, and then
Speaker 1: another finger if it goes off to the west. We're
Speaker 1: talking like relatively small all I mean, there's talking like right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not talking right. We're talking about hundreds of yards wide,
Speaker 1: but not hundreds of yards wide the widest and then
Speaker 1: it towards the towards the western side, towards the western
Speaker 1: end of it, it narrows down. It narrows down quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and then it sort of snakes out off
Speaker 1: to the west. And throughout this video, of course, Candy
Speaker 1: is dispensing lots of handy tips on wilderness survival, like
Speaker 1: don't bother bringing a compass, water or food. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he's a super survival he totally, he says. He says, oh,
Speaker 1: I only bring a little bit of water and I
Speaker 1: brought one candy bar to get me to the day.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, dude, yeah, I mean it was kind
Speaker 1: of like near the end of the video. I think
Speaker 1: it was kind of the near the Tortoise situation where
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, Okay, are you going to this can?
Speaker 1: And look this cool toward here amazing. You could tell
Speaker 1: he's just a little delirious and like super White, he's
Speaker 1: still got miles to go before he gets where the
Speaker 1: beer is going to be there, it's still going to
Speaker 1: be and he yea. And he talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the one beer he's got sitting in his car that's
Speaker 1: still somehow going to be cold. Yeah, well if you buy,
Speaker 1: if you put in the put in in there and
Speaker 1: buy a big block of ice to set it next
Speaker 1: to it, try somebody doesn't break into your car still
Speaker 1: into the dry ice. Yeah yeah, but it's all about
Speaker 1: yeah I could And actually his his incentive system is
Speaker 1: pretty sensible at the crypt by the way, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree, like there's something to be said about having
Speaker 1: a you know, some sort of drink or amazing at
Speaker 1: the end when you got back, But that should not
Speaker 1: pre date pre eminent what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: It should not take precedence over taking reasonable water and
Speaker 1: food supplies with ney, which it seems like it did.
Speaker 1: It I mean, I love of Pete, I went. I
Speaker 1: told you guys, I went up on Mount Taper this week,
Speaker 1: which is not in any kind of heavy clime, because
Speaker 1: I drove up most problem about an hour and a
Speaker 1: half around. I didn't take water and I didn't take
Speaker 1: a granola bar because I was super close to and
Speaker 1: in the two hours that I was dinking around. By
Speaker 1: the time I got back to my car, I was
Speaker 1: absolutely famished and just exhausted and immediately went, I mean
Speaker 1: in town, thank God, went to the first food establishment
Speaker 1: and I told you guys story. I'm sure. We went
Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon over the summer right after crime
Speaker 1: con and I am you found a ring there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did find a ring there was pretty a beautiful ring. Um.
Speaker 1: But I am a wilderness e MT like survivalist. And
Speaker 1: I was wearing flip flops and had like my clutch
Speaker 1: purse and a cappuccino with me and we're walking other hand.
Speaker 1: Now we're walking like along the rim, and it was
Speaker 1: just amazing to me the number of people who are
Speaker 1: throwing me dirty looks because there's this like little bit
Speaker 1: of a room trail where you can hop on and
Speaker 1: hop off and you're not actually going down into the rain.
Speaker 1: But the number of people who are like clearly giving
Speaker 1: these looks where they were like, you are so underprepared
Speaker 1: for what you're gonna have to go down and rescuing,
Speaker 1: right yeah, and then like you know me knowing like
Speaker 1: actually I'm more prepared to save all of you people
Speaker 1: and you were to save me was pretty amazing. But
Speaker 1: I think Kenny was the opposite. He was doing exactly.
Speaker 1: I was amazed when I was listening to her. It
Speaker 1: was somewhere I was reading or listening to one of
Speaker 1: his videos and he was talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: I go on hikes for so long and when I
Speaker 1: get home my toenails you're black. Started reading about that
Speaker 1: and that is that is a symptom of heavy duty
Speaker 1: runners like marathon, ultra marathon run. Ye, But yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't exaggerating, but but a guy to be hiking for
Speaker 1: a day or three, he's really really putting his body
Speaker 1: under something. Unfortunately. One thing that can encourage the like
Speaker 1: mail falling off is well lack of water, but also
Speaker 1: like boots that don't fit you. Great, that could be
Speaker 1: and this is another thing. Why can he should have
Speaker 1: taken more water because he says specifically, he said, I
Speaker 1: lose thirteen pounds of body weight. Well, dude, you're not.
Speaker 1: That's not a bragging, right, you're not. You're losing. That's
Speaker 1: all waters and you need that. And that's why that
Speaker 1: kind of thing is dangerous. I mean you might think that, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm tough, I'm bad. So okay, So can you filmed
Speaker 1: himself going into Picture Canyon where the MP is No,
Speaker 1: he goes, So he goes. He goes to Picture Canyon
Speaker 1: to the west, and as I said, it narrows, it
Speaker 1: sort of snakes around for a while, and eventually it
Speaker 1: drops back down to the deserts. Can you came out
Speaker 1: the west end? Okay? And and here is his report. Well,
Speaker 1: I did not find the cave. That is so weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought for sure I was just gonna
Speaker 1: be able to find it. Um, I remember being fairly easy.
Speaker 1: Who knows. But I am at the mouth of the
Speaker 1: canyon there. I'm just now coming out. And now I
Speaker 1: have to take a big left hand turn and walk
Speaker 1: all the way back to my truck, which is a long,
Speaker 1: hard trip because I've got a lot of up and
Speaker 1: down to do. That's it. I'll talk to you when
Speaker 1: I get back to my truck. Bye bye. So disappointment.
Speaker 1: Kenny didn't give up. He actually actually had plans to
Speaker 1: go back out there again. He actually posted somewhere on
Speaker 1: YouTube this is not too long before he left. I said,
Speaker 1: I'll be going this weekend. I'll be aking Sola for
Speaker 1: three days. I will cross through the same canyon where
Speaker 1: I found the cave. If I don't find it again,
Speaker 1: I will just continue hiking over mountain after a mountain
Speaker 1: to the north of the canyon. I dare any of
Speaker 1: the people that like to run their mouths on here
Speaker 1: to join me. My hats are My hats are brutal
Speaker 1: on the body. And and he talks about his fingernails turning,
Speaker 1: talking about his toails falling black and falling off and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um but and and uh and he
Speaker 1: says he really wants to go find that m cave again.
Speaker 1: I just really last I didn't comment on YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just really do love all of the guys who
Speaker 1: or ladies. He's usually guys though, unfortunately just in no
Speaker 1: in in life who think that black toenails and depriving
Speaker 1: themselves of water and stuff is some sort of signed
Speaker 1: manly Yeah to our literally tens of listeners who are
Speaker 1: going to undertake this kind of don't take the water,
Speaker 1: take the food. Don't think that you depriving yourself. It's
Speaker 1: better for you to come back with extra water. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if the water is too heavy,
Speaker 1: it's weighing you down, drink it. Drink it. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: try the just is also for context. One thing that
Speaker 1: we missed through this is we keep talking about the
Speaker 1: M Cave. We've got Kenny's description. Kenny's description of M
Speaker 1: Cave is not this giant monumental cave man height. I
Speaker 1: think it was in the text, but if we haven't emphasized,
Speaker 1: it's not a giant thing. Yeah, yeah, it's it's about
Speaker 1: you know, man hit or anything. And he finds somebody there.
Speaker 1: A lot of people mentioned this too in the comments
Speaker 1: on YouTube, that well, g this this marker, he found it,
Speaker 1: He found the MK but these are little ones that
Speaker 1: are maybe a foot or two tall. Yeah, he finds
Speaker 1: other M caves that you would have to I don't
Speaker 1: think even I don't even I really honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: think a person would fit in any There's a lot
Speaker 1: of cave entrances in that area that look like a
Speaker 1: capital M if you bend the definition of a capital
Speaker 1: M to suit what you're looking at is that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could look like many letters of the alphabite. Oh
Speaker 1: and there's also this is an a side. There's that
Speaker 1: one that looks like kind of a kind of a
Speaker 1: diagonal slit with the eyes. And you saw that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't love that one. You don't like that was
Speaker 1: actually not that bad when you yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: watching it in the videos, but if you watch it
Speaker 1: without the sound on it, which I did the first time,
Speaker 1: it's like silence, there's no close caption or anything, and
Speaker 1: you just see this like it's almost like a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Hands over, it's a slit with things that look like eyes.
Speaker 1: You're just like, but then you listen and you understand
Speaker 1: it's not it's not what that is. But these these
Speaker 1: guys that went up there later on and did look,
Speaker 1: they zoomed in on that, and then they decided that
Speaker 1: they said it was bird poop on something. Yeah, it's something.
Speaker 1: It appeared that the white eye things were multiplying multiple videos.
Speaker 1: It appeared that there was more as time went on,
Speaker 1: what appeared to maybe it probably was guano. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was probably a shifting landscape, probably at least one lash
Speaker 1: flood in the middle of the winter. Well, I just
Speaker 1: talked about the white spots. So Kenny, So Kenny, Like
Speaker 1: I said, he went out. Yeah, and so on November ten,
Speaker 1: he found his girlfriend share On left a message saying
Speaker 1: he was heading back to the sheep range for another go.
Speaker 1: He was going to spend a couple of nights out there. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he was going to find that damn cave. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Weirdly though, he didn't take his video camera. No, he didn't,
Speaker 1: but I you know, some people have made some things
Speaker 1: that something some out of that. He did take his gun,
Speaker 1: but he did not take the movie camera. But I
Speaker 1: suspect that because he was going out for an overnighter,
Speaker 1: he had to take more provisions, had to take a
Speaker 1: sleeping bag in his tent, etcetera. Probably wanted to save
Speaker 1: a little weight, and so I'm not surprised he left
Speaker 1: the movie camera behind. You think he can get the
Speaker 1: impression that his camera would have been that big of
Speaker 1: a camera or that much weight. No, I get that
Speaker 1: his bulk in a pack. I totally understand him. As
Speaker 1: you guys know, I am currently in the process of
Speaker 1: course when this releases, this will be after the act.
Speaker 1: But figuring out how to get about eight or nine
Speaker 1: days worth of clothes into a pack. But still it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a thing. And there's no weight
Speaker 1: to that camera in his tripod in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, but and maybe this is like better
Speaker 1: served in theories. But when you're going out every ounce,
Speaker 1: absolutely it does. It does, especially if you're doing over water. Well,
Speaker 1: but but he might have decided at that point, actually
Speaker 1: it's better for me to take the water than the camera.
Speaker 1: I wish or the gun replaces the camera in ounceage.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's like obviously we would be happier now,
Speaker 1: but but maybe not because his camera may have never
Speaker 1: been found. There's only one thing that ever got found,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that. But yeah, that's but it
Speaker 1: would have been great if the camera been found, and
Speaker 1: if it was found footage like Blair Witch projects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like it said, I've never been so scary
Speaker 1: as Kenny going, I've never been so thirsty because I
Speaker 1: don't actually all joking aside, Yeah, I didn't mind watching
Speaker 1: any of Kenny's videos. That would be the video that
Speaker 1: I absolutely would not watch. If it was the end
Speaker 1: of Kenny. That's the kind of thing that you don't
Speaker 1: ever as as you being want to have. I like Kenny,
Speaker 1: I'm not would put it on the internet. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. And I'm not happy if Kenny didn't
Speaker 1: he die, which some people think he did. Some people
Speaker 1: have their their theories that maybe he didn't. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute, but let me But
Speaker 1: so when he when he was reported missing, of course
Speaker 1: he didn't come back. A little local search and rescue
Speaker 1: team Red Rocks Search and Rescue. Yeah, they made four
Speaker 1: expeditions I believe out there. They coned Picture Canyon and
Speaker 1: Joey a Canyon looking for him. They tracked him from
Speaker 1: where his jeep was up to the abandoned mind shaft
Speaker 1: and they found his phone and nothing else there. And
Speaker 1: this is the mind shaft we talked about earlier, that
Speaker 1: very good line shaft where his video began, where it
Speaker 1: started the first and they packed him as far as
Speaker 1: they found the phone, but the track ended there, and
Speaker 1: so that's it. They searched. They found no trace of
Speaker 1: Kenny ever, not a stitch of clothing or you know,
Speaker 1: a candy rapper, nothing, Uh, he looks to be gone
Speaker 1: for good. So that our mystery here is what the
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Speaker 1: And we're back. Well, let's go to our first sory. Um,
Speaker 1: So our first sory is this whole thing is a hoax?
Speaker 1: Could be? Yeah, and this guy that's in the well,
Speaker 1: it kind of does. There's some reasons why there's there's
Speaker 1: people out there questioning this story. Um, whether it's Kenny
Speaker 1: even really existed or if you really disappeared, because maybe
Speaker 1: somebody just wanted to start a little internet legend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this thing has to become sort of a minor.
Speaker 1: It's not as big as say Moura Murray, but it's
Speaker 1: still a fairly kind, fairly decent following up. For one thing,
Speaker 1: there's no there's almost no. I just wouldn't say no.
Speaker 1: There are actually a two whopping hole two stories about
Speaker 1: this in the Las Vegas Press, and they were done
Speaker 1: by one TV station, which is the local NBC affiliate
Speaker 1: ks n V New three, And they've got two stories
Speaker 1: on their website about this, and it seems a little strange, uh.
Speaker 1: And I looked at the websites of the two major
Speaker 1: Las Vegas newspapers, which are The Review Journal and The Sun,
Speaker 1: and their websites have no stories at all regarding Kenny's disappearance.
Speaker 1: I actually called them up just to check, because a
Speaker 1: lot of websites have crappy search features, right, and so
Speaker 1: I called them up and they confirmed that they have
Speaker 1: never done a story about Kenny Beach ever. Actually not
Speaker 1: really not really, well, I guess not, but but a
Speaker 1: lot of people are wondering about this. He does have
Speaker 1: a name is page that's a national Missing and Unidentified
Speaker 1: Persons just so the name of page would seem to
Speaker 1: give us some sort of authenticity, because I've heard that
Speaker 1: they tend to be Yeah, that has to be submitted
Speaker 1: by law enforcement, I'm thinking also, But first of all,
Speaker 1: the influence is on the page is very skimpy, well,
Speaker 1: extremely minimal, if we're being really totally honest. Here, most
Speaker 1: nameless pages are somewhat like a vague description of a
Speaker 1: person and like where they were maybe last seen. And
Speaker 1: that's that. Yeah. But here's the other thing is that
Speaker 1: if you wanted to create an Internet legend and you're clever,
Speaker 1: you could create a really beautiful copy and and totally
Speaker 1: spoof the name is page and have people thinking it
Speaker 1: would show up on web searches and stuff. This is
Speaker 1: just hypothetical, And so that's and so again I'm questioned
Speaker 1: work I also wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, I think it'd
Speaker 1: be easier to fake a human and report it to
Speaker 1: men than it would to be spoof a names account.
Speaker 1: But whatever, maybe that's maybe that's that's another way where
Speaker 1: you could hack in and just plant some spans because
Speaker 1: we've talked to I mean, you know you're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about this in a second. But like his girlfriend may
Speaker 1: or may not be real, yeah right, me may not
Speaker 1: be real human or or her Internet presence may not
Speaker 1: so it might not be her talking, right, And so
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that sort of possible pity of this
Speaker 1: person who was his quote unquote girlfriend reported him missing,
Speaker 1: but maybe him that reported him missing and he was
Speaker 1: a real person, but he's not actually missing, not actually,
Speaker 1: while he might have moved, he might have skipped down,
Speaker 1: but he's not actually. Uh no, I really legally speak,
Speaker 1: how are you pronoun? I'm going to share, but but anywhere? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I did check with the Las Vegas Police
Speaker 1: Department though, and it turns out that it turns out
Speaker 1: that they actually do have an open case well for Kenny,
Speaker 1: So it's real apparently. I talked to a detective Danny
Speaker 1: at Missing Persons. He said, yeah, he really did exist,
Speaker 1: he really did disappear, and he confirmed also the shary
Speaker 1: on as a real person. Okay, so it like everything
Speaker 1: I just said, the hoax is not a hope, it's
Speaker 1: not a hoax. Yeah. And after the lack of news coverage,
Speaker 1: I talked to this woman who was the librarian at
Speaker 1: the Sun newspaper and she said, well, in last Vegas,
Speaker 1: people disappearing is not considered newsworthy in Vegas. For sure,
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, if you just said, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: just so, it's so. And even though a lot of
Speaker 1: people are suspicious. Now I do briefly want to talk
Speaker 1: about Sherrian's Twitter account. Yeah, because you reached out to
Speaker 1: me about this. I men, yeah, and she is a
Speaker 1: person who exists on Twitter. Kenny doesn't exist on Twitter
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. But her first three
Speaker 1: tweets were just spam, like actual literal spam, and there
Speaker 1: were only so she's only got eight tweets in the
Speaker 1: existence of her account that are public, I guess. And
Speaker 1: so the three year or spam, and the other five
Speaker 1: are to this guy named Eric the Hiker. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you look at these? I don't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Very yeah, never Actually very first one is just like
Speaker 1: Eric the Hiker, Hey, it's noon. You should have checked
Speaker 1: in by now. What is going on? And then the
Speaker 1: next one is like, Eric, this isn't funny check in,
Speaker 1: And the next one is like, Eric, if you don't
Speaker 1: check in in an hour, we're reporting you missing. So
Speaker 1: it seems and I didn't do any research into Eric
Speaker 1: the Hiker because actually it turns out Eric Hiker is
Speaker 1: a totally defunct count and Twitter is one of the
Speaker 1: websites that doesn't let the don't let the archive crawled,
Speaker 1: so it could be that Kenny was actually Eric. I think, No,
Speaker 1: I don't, because it was it was a couple of
Speaker 1: years later, it seems that in Yeah, so it's a
Speaker 1: couple of years later. But I will say that it
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting that she is connected with another
Speaker 1: hiker that may or may not have gone missing. She's
Speaker 1: the hiking black widow. But again, but again, you know,
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, especially in that kind of area, it's
Speaker 1: not weird that people go missing. No, no, not at all. Nevada,
Speaker 1: it's not weird. Yeah. As far as far as Eric
Speaker 1: the hiker, he he was probably just a troll. I
Speaker 1: think that because what happened is he posted this guy
Speaker 1: posted the comments on the video on the video on
Speaker 1: YouTube and said basically, hey, I'm gonna go up there
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go looking for him. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: like this weekend or something like that. I'm gonna find
Speaker 1: the m K. I'm gonna find Kenny's remains or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so somebody clued her in on at something, and somebody,
Speaker 1: well somebody clued her in on and so she she
Speaker 1: tweeted the guy just said, hey, dude, check in, be
Speaker 1: sure to check in. Let's know that you're back safe
Speaker 1: and and uh and and she never he never replied,
Speaker 1: and it was probably just a troll because he had
Speaker 1: to said. He deleted his Twitter account right after that,
Speaker 1: so I think he was just trying to get people concerned.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he never actually even went up there, but
Speaker 1: that was it for her tweeting. But I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta say, there's a lot of people out there who
Speaker 1: have Twitter accounts and never actually tweet. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got a Twitter account and I don't actually tweet. I
Speaker 1: know that I never had a Twitter account and I
Speaker 1: don't tweet, but I intentionally didn't create one. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's some interesting stuff that I didn't have time to
Speaker 1: dive into. But there's some like Yahoo answers questions where
Speaker 1: it's like Eric the Hiker and picking bad men with
Speaker 1: like an online dating situation. Yeah, I mean it's maybe
Speaker 1: that's where Eric got his name from. Well, but so
Speaker 1: there's some kind of weird stuff around that that I like, frankly,
Speaker 1: I like I said, I didn't necessarily have time to
Speaker 1: dive into, but it's Erica Hiker is like a weird name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weird thing that's been happening on
Speaker 1: the Internet for just like a very small timeframe around
Speaker 1: that whole situation. But yeah, I mean, it is interesting
Speaker 1: that she was tweeting at this person. Eight tweets, five
Speaker 1: of them are at this person who may may not
Speaker 1: existed and may or may not have been going after
Speaker 1: finding Kenny's body, probably did may have been an internet troll.
Speaker 1: It's totally possible. I mean, Ken m is the thing
Speaker 1: which you guys may or may not know about on
Speaker 1: the Internet who's like a professional internet troll who just
Speaker 1: says the stupidest things you could possibly ever say on
Speaker 1: the Internet. And that's like what he does on the Internet.
Speaker 1: Does he make a living doing this? I don't know,
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't recommend anybody looks at No, I wouldn't either,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't really know really where
Speaker 1: the whole situation comes in. And I don't know either,
Speaker 1: And I would agree that it's it's weird and kind
Speaker 1: of feels like a hoax. It does, it does. Sharon's
Speaker 1: does a lot of commenting on this video, replies to
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and you've gotta wonder, is this
Speaker 1: really her? Is it's just Kenny somewhere out there. Maybe
Speaker 1: Kenny disappear to move to Atlantic City and he's out
Speaker 1: there impersonating his ex girlfriend replying to people on YouTube
Speaker 1: because he knows that she doesn't ever go on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has her password. People who just completely reject the Internet,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame them a lot of the more,
Speaker 1: even more than that, it's you know, things like you know,
Speaker 1: as we said, Joe has a Twitter account that he
Speaker 1: never ever uses. Maybe Steve you or I can fake
Speaker 1: his password and log in, and it turns out, actually
Speaker 1: Joe has been super active on Twitter in the last
Speaker 1: five years, but he doesn't know because he never uses it.
Speaker 1: I probably had to go out there and take a look.
Speaker 1: See what's It's possible that his ex girlfriend could have
Speaker 1: had these accounts and that she wasn't using them, and
Speaker 1: he knew that she wasn't using them, and so he
Speaker 1: did it's a opportunity, or he created the accounts of
Speaker 1: so like. For example, the her Twitter account was created October,
Speaker 1: right about the same time he posted those four videos,
Speaker 1: And you asked me to look that up, and it
Speaker 1: turns out I can't find out. Yeah, I know. I
Speaker 1: wanted down to the exact date in October one once
Speaker 1: she signed up. You know, it would have been really
Speaker 1: interesting if it was October seventeen, perfect. Okay. So that's
Speaker 1: the other thing to point out though, is that it's
Speaker 1: one of the things that really gets people going is
Speaker 1: Kenny uploads multiple videos on the same day. He's selling
Speaker 1: his house video, his Shark Tank videos, and I think
Speaker 1: his MK video they all went up on the same day.
Speaker 1: Selling the house want went up about five weeks before September,
Speaker 1: early September, and but all the other four they all
Speaker 1: went up on Okay, four of the go up on
Speaker 1: the same day, which is which is weird. Now. I
Speaker 1: get that there's there are people who just figure out
Speaker 1: how to do it until they just dump it all in.
Speaker 1: But that's a red flag to a lot. That's not
Speaker 1: what I was going to say. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that he kept saying I'm going
Speaker 1: to sell my house with me, whether or not it
Speaker 1: was as a maintenance guy who just worked there or whatever,
Speaker 1: while he apparently had this super serious girlfriend that maybe
Speaker 1: he could have gone and lived with instead. He because
Speaker 1: that was no, you don't think so, no, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I flesh out what you're saying. I'm I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I just interpret what you're saying. Tell me what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It seems like Sharion Scharion. I don't know how we're
Speaker 1: saying her name. They were serious, I guess they were
Speaker 1: boyfriend girlfriend. I would I would be willing to affirm
Speaker 1: that they were serious enough to be dating, to be dating,
Speaker 1: and for her to be really concerned about him online. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that that is an easy thing to be in
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's early to where are you going?
Speaker 1: I want to before I make jumps, I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it seems crazy to me that
Speaker 1: he felt like he needed to sell his house, plus
Speaker 1: him still living there, um, but so he has the
Speaker 1: backup of Okay, But that's the only thing I'm say
Speaker 1: is that I really, based on what I've seen with
Speaker 1: Kenny and guys that I've known like him, there's male pride.
Speaker 1: He talks about how he built this house, how he
Speaker 1: did everything with this house in four years old. So yes,
Speaker 1: so there is the I built this, this is my thing.
Speaker 1: I can't give up this thing and then go live
Speaker 1: on somebody else's um handouts that I can't just I
Speaker 1: just can't slub around. Yeah, I think that. I mean
Speaker 1: that's why I was. I wasn't I don't think that
Speaker 1: he would do that. But I also don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: she was a real person. But that's why I don't
Speaker 1: think that I think they were. That is super serious.
Speaker 1: I don't know how serious it were. I think she was.
Speaker 1: She is a real person as far as I know that,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, is her Internet presence really here?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. So I guess the first theory was
Speaker 1: that no, yeah, it's definitely not. Yeah, he definitely disappeared.
Speaker 1: He was definitely a real human who also definitely disappeared. Yeah, ok, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that leaves us with some other theories that are
Speaker 1: out here. One is he just went out there, got
Speaker 1: lost out of exposure, thirst whatever. You can't just take
Speaker 1: no water and like a single bar. Yeah no, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you never took some more provisions for his overnight
Speaker 1: or than Yeah, but even that, like if if we're
Speaker 1: going to just extrapolate out from what he took on
Speaker 1: his day hike to what he would take on his
Speaker 1: night hike, I also think people very often vastly underestimate
Speaker 1: what a desert's going to be like at night, And
Speaker 1: it did not seem like at he Kenny had actually
Speaker 1: spent time out there overnight before. That's great, that's great
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, but you know, the things to consider
Speaker 1: in the desert are those flash freezes or flash floods
Speaker 1: that can come and go with almost no evidence whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And and Devin brings up a great point, what is
Speaker 1: the do you remember, Joe, I don't remember the name
Speaker 1: of the guy who puts the Finding Kenny video up?
Speaker 1: Remember his name? Yeah, So they make so if you
Speaker 1: watch the MK video and then you watch the hour
Speaker 1: long Finding Kenny to video, they very They start talking
Speaker 1: about the fact that they can tell in the time
Speaker 1: since they've been out there, which is there's been flooding
Speaker 1: and the train is massively change. So I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's very easy though that Kenny said, oh I think
Speaker 1: it's here. He does the MK video. He then gets
Speaker 1: home uploads this and realizes, oh, you ding dong, you
Speaker 1: got turned around because the terrain changed and you should
Speaker 1: have hung a left at Alburquerque instead of a right
Speaker 1: at Alburquerque. And so he goes in that other direction,
Speaker 1: but of course he's told everybody this way, and then
Speaker 1: he gets lost and it's not where The whole reason
Speaker 1: that I earlier was trying to bring up the fact
Speaker 1: that they were finger canyons is that those are only
Speaker 1: formed by flash flood Those are crazy dangerous to wander
Speaker 1: through through flood season. And Kenny did not. While maybe
Speaker 1: he survived a couple of nights out, he did not
Speaker 1: strike me as the kind of person who would know
Speaker 1: better than to camp at the bottom of a canyon
Speaker 1: at any time, because there's there is no safe time
Speaker 1: to pitch a tent at the bottom of a canyon,
Speaker 1: because there's always the chance of a flood to come.
Speaker 1: And if you've watched some of those flash flood videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube, they're scary. I mean it's it's like thirty
Speaker 1: seconds of somebody filming where suddenly, you know, you go
Speaker 1: from ankle deep to chest deep water. And if if
Speaker 1: he had, for whatever reason, pitched a camp at the
Speaker 1: autom of the canyon, and the thing about it is
Speaker 1: is it all depends on the weather. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I assume the search and rescue guys had checked the
Speaker 1: weather conditions in the private private the previous second rainfall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But and you would assume that they would have found
Speaker 1: a body at some point. They would have found I mean,
Speaker 1: not just a body, but a sleeping bag. But also,
Speaker 1: but that's also the difficulty. Let's let's just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just hypothetically say that Kenny is completely unaware of
Speaker 1: where he's pitching his tent and the conditions. Let's just
Speaker 1: let's just make that as an overarching assumption. Here covers
Speaker 1: like the next five theories. Well but no, but where
Speaker 1: I'm going here is all of his gear and him
Speaker 1: are in his tent, flash flood hits. He doesn't get
Speaker 1: out of the tent. If you watch the m Cave
Speaker 1: two video, they talk about the fact that it is
Speaker 1: loose gravel six ft deep. Okay, well, that means that
Speaker 1: if Kenny has staked his tent down and now it
Speaker 1: is now six ft under gravel, Search and Rescue wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to detect that when they got there, because
Speaker 1: they can't. I don't know if I don't know if
Speaker 1: they brought any cadaver dogs with them on some of
Speaker 1: their searches. I think they did. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what they brought. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's you would think that they were. For example,
Speaker 1: you know, if if you know that Kenny was planning
Speaker 1: and going up there and crawling into a cave. So
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable assumption that Kenny's dead body is inside
Speaker 1: a cave. I would much rather rather than having a
Speaker 1: crawl into every single hole that, Yeah, I would much
Speaker 1: rather bring a cadaver dog. That would that would be well.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they not one available, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, and if the dog, but they probably should
Speaker 1: bring based on the terrain, tortoise because I could ever,
Speaker 1: tortoise is much more suited for that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of possibilities. I know you
Speaker 1: have listed on your script, so many different possibilities of
Speaker 1: different possibility. Just something bad happened, and it's possible under
Speaker 1: one overwatching theory, which is he I mean, it's okay,
Speaker 1: bit by a snake, bit by snake, or line or
Speaker 1: broke his ankle and just died of exposures, or or
Speaker 1: had an accident, or let's go back too quickly. He
Speaker 1: got lost. Um, so he said he didn't bring a
Speaker 1: map for a compass, although because he was a hardcore Yeah.
Speaker 1: Although frankly, after spending time looking at the videos and
Speaker 1: looking at aerials and looking at tomographic maps, I'm fairly
Speaker 1: familiar with the area and I think it would be
Speaker 1: hard to get lost there. I disagree with that because no,
Speaker 1: I mean from Picture Canyon, everything is just all uphill.
Speaker 1: So if you get you get a little disoriented, just
Speaker 1: turn around and go any time getting lost. See, that's
Speaker 1: the thing is that I think. But I don't think easy.
Speaker 1: And I understand that if he had done a certain
Speaker 1: let's just say he did a certain loop on a
Speaker 1: regular basis of a certain series of loops, so he
Speaker 1: is familiar with the surroundings that he should see. But
Speaker 1: if he goes in a direction unintentionally and suddenly the
Speaker 1: skyline changes and he's not exactly sure, I can see
Speaker 1: him being the guy of guy that says it's fine,
Speaker 1: I'll push on. I'll see something soon, particularly on that
Speaker 1: if there had been kind of flooding or any kind
Speaker 1: of terrain change in the month between when he went
Speaker 1: out and videotaped it and the next time, definitely that
Speaker 1: can change a lot. It can. But here's the deal
Speaker 1: is that here's why I don't think it happened unless
Speaker 1: unless I agree. I don't think the Sheep Range is
Speaker 1: like this long finger of of sort of mountains in
Speaker 1: in a flat desert, and so if he had gotten
Speaker 1: totally lost. All he had to do was turned west,
Speaker 1: and it's easy to find west even without a compass,
Speaker 1: just use the son. All I got to do is
Speaker 1: turn west and walk about a mile or two, and
Speaker 1: he'd be bamed out an open desert. Again. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's would be possible unless he was
Speaker 1: so so disoriented from dehydration, was just totally not functioning.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I don't see you could possibly
Speaker 1: get lost in that mountain well, and even if you
Speaker 1: were lost, you just climb up to the hill and
Speaker 1: then look. I mean I I yeah, I'd let me
Speaker 1: rephrase that you could get lost, but not for very long.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you totally. It's not like a
Speaker 1: weird mountain range in a forest where you cannot you know,
Speaker 1: even at the top of a hill, you're still in
Speaker 1: forest and you can't figure it out totally get your
Speaker 1: bearings easily. And I would agree with that totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So as far as getting lost, I don't think that happened,
Speaker 1: but of course an accident. But even then, and even
Speaker 1: if you watch Kenny's video, you sort of get the
Speaker 1: feeling that Kenny is sort of an accident waiting to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. But again I think that
Speaker 1: the search and rescue probably would have found him, there
Speaker 1: would be some something, because I do believe that he
Speaker 1: probably knew kind of where he was. But that was
Speaker 1: the kind of eerie thing about this whole story, I guess,
Speaker 1: was that he always seemed to know where he was,
Speaker 1: and he did he knew, well, he seemed, I believed him.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe he didn't. Maybe he did, right, I'll
Speaker 1: allow for the fact that he didn't, But I believed
Speaker 1: that he knew where he was, and I believed pretty
Speaker 1: deeply that he kept saying, Oh, it's weird, I should
Speaker 1: have found this cave by now and I haven't. And that,
Speaker 1: I think is the thing that attracts people to this
Speaker 1: case the most is that it seems like he knew
Speaker 1: where it was. It just wasn't there. Suddenly, Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: It was somewhere in Picture Canyon. But again, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about the terrain changing in those guys walking through saying,
Speaker 1: look look at this, like this was six feet higher
Speaker 1: last time I was here. Yeah, and soge and they
Speaker 1: showed they showed things where you could see the mouth
Speaker 1: of the little inlet caves, not that they weren't deep caves,
Speaker 1: but six or eight feet deep, and you could see
Speaker 1: they had changed. Um, they showed video of them going
Speaker 1: down those Finger Canyon ravines where it was giant boulders
Speaker 1: and those seemed to be different. Which also, by the way,
Speaker 1: this is a weird decide and devitull probably like this is.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the game Jack and Daxter on the
Speaker 1: PlayStation Remember that? Okay, well, yeah you slated. But they
Speaker 1: had these series of going through canyon areas and they
Speaker 1: had all these round boulders and they looked exactly like
Speaker 1: the Finger canyons in the videos that Kenny and then
Speaker 1: the other guy put up on. Yeah. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. Wait, I I imagine there should be
Speaker 1: some little ferrety guy running around, and then it figured
Speaker 1: out it was Jack and Daxter. There is some little
Speaker 1: ferity guy running around in there. You're just not seeing him.
Speaker 1: He's an actual ferret. Probably. What are the other theories,
Speaker 1: there's so many of them. We had an accident. Another
Speaker 1: Another favorite theory out there is that he came across
Speaker 1: some sort of criminal activity, criminal or federal activity or
Speaker 1: secret government activity, was was killed for it. For discovering
Speaker 1: that because they're they're burying the rubber alien body suits
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah bodies. Yeah. Yeah. It's you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of thing about whenever somebody disappears,
Speaker 1: that's always floated the theories he came across, he came
Speaker 1: across some drug dealers and they murdered him and and
Speaker 1: buried his body. You know, Well, it's always a favorite
Speaker 1: theory or some kind of other nefarious or other nefarious. Well,
Speaker 1: but that that that theory sucks. Well in this case,
Speaker 1: it certainly. It usually sucks, actually, but in this case
Speaker 1: it especially sucks. And why would you go all the
Speaker 1: way out there to commit crimes? I mean, by the way,
Speaker 1: what crimes would you commit anyway? I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna have people marching across the desert hauling drugs, let's
Speaker 1: just say that they're they're mules. You're not gonna do
Speaker 1: it through the middle of the Nevada desert. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do it on the damn Mexico border, so you can
Speaker 1: get him from because that's where it comes from. You
Speaker 1: don't make them all the way in Nevada. Now, it
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense to that, to
Speaker 1: go out in the middle of nowhere like that and
Speaker 1: up into the mountains to do a drug deal and
Speaker 1: caulling a body out there. That would be a lot
Speaker 1: of work. And just like you said, ass and I
Speaker 1: in a really dumb way to get rid of a body.
Speaker 1: This carpet sucks. Why haven't been cat packing this carpet
Speaker 1: for five months? Because nobody will ever find him? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so the whole idea. But but again there's lots
Speaker 1: of people out there who I al would like to
Speaker 1: float this there, and of course the case here, same
Speaker 1: with the secret government activity. Uh well, again it's very
Speaker 1: close to the an activity in an Ellis Air Force Range,
Speaker 1: and of course are fifty one. But of course the
Speaker 1: area fifty one is not actually right next door to
Speaker 1: where it was days a way, It's hundred thirty miles away,
Speaker 1: but close enough via canyon and cave. Okay, well, well
Speaker 1: also this is uh there supposedly is a huge network
Speaker 1: of underground tunnels running under that whole test area there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I've heard. Well, that's how they get the
Speaker 1: bodies in and out. Yeah. Well, but also you know
Speaker 1: that's where you shuttle the presidents if nuclear warn't comes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't be surprised at all if there
Speaker 1: actually were some some underground tunnels in that area. Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel confident. Conspiracy theories are not. I feel confident
Speaker 1: there are there are, you know, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they extend all the way in down into the sheep
Speaker 1: range or to the M shaped cave, although you never know. Maybe. Um,
Speaker 1: we also have the the the Secret Services Mountain Lion Brigade.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep going escape and by that I mean
Speaker 1: the actual mountain line no, no, no, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: could have been uh and it could have been. Another
Speaker 1: one is that he actually found the cave and it's
Speaker 1: deadly secret, which had have been a mountain lion. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And um, and and but there were there's a couple
Speaker 1: of like out there in the interway. There's here's a
Speaker 1: couple of good ones. I don't want to repeat all
Speaker 1: of them. There's way too many of them. Uh. Let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see. Here's one. This is posted by Avenging Demon.
Speaker 1: Um who said that and when he found that these
Speaker 1: are guys who said that he found the cave. Uh,
Speaker 1: Avenging Demon says, and I percent that he found a
Speaker 1: slavery camp. The vibration shows. And remember he said his
Speaker 1: body was vibrating as he tried to get close to it.
Speaker 1: The vibration shows his body tried to warn him about
Speaker 1: others pains. So when he went in he found something
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to find. The person who warned him
Speaker 1: this was a person on who on YouTube actually posted
Speaker 1: a warning to him to not go out and look
Speaker 1: for the cave. And and this person has been talked
Speaker 1: about endlessly since then. Okay, back to the text. The
Speaker 1: person who weren't probably escaped from there, but could not
Speaker 1: say more. So, if you find the cave, if you
Speaker 1: find Kenny, that's avenging demons comment. Okay, hippy, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Earth has fields and we all share those fields. Dude. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's one. Here's another one I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, either like, yeah, you can, you can be
Speaker 1: upset about that or not, but I don't think it
Speaker 1: applies to this. Yeah you want to read, okay, so
Speaker 1: you can read the comment from hops Hopkinsville Hopkinsville Goblin. Great, Okay,
Speaker 1: Hopkinsville Goblin says I still think about this sometimes, especially
Speaker 1: about the strange lights. At sixteen minutes, I was listening
Speaker 1: to Coast Coast am tonight and heard a story about
Speaker 1: these two guys who were quad biking. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is. That's around a little four wheel motorcycle
Speaker 1: kind of things. Yeah, so a t V s. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two guys who were quad biking around some limestone caves
Speaker 1: in that area the Navy used to store dehydrated food
Speaker 1: and as a fallout shelter, and drove straight through a
Speaker 1: hologram where they ran into two reptilian humanoids. One of
Speaker 1: them had some kind of weapon and shot them, but
Speaker 1: apparently they aren't allowed to leave their caves because of
Speaker 1: some agreement with the military. I doubt this guy is
Speaker 1: still alive, but if you are looking for him, make
Speaker 1: sure you have weapons. His weapons spelled with the Z.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of weird periods and bad syntax,
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot worse on the end, and
Speaker 1: I have to say I have to, but there was
Speaker 1: I just read it verbatim. I'm sorry everyone. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's fine, you did it. Justice got a good name.
Speaker 1: I like Hopkins, fille Goblin, that's a good one. We did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know, do you guys have any
Speaker 1: more uh discussion about him coming across the illicit government. No,
Speaker 1: I think we should just talk about like this final Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we got a couple of other sories. These are a
Speaker 1: little more down to earth, one of which is that,
Speaker 1: well Kenny committed suicide. His girlfriend's Sharon's actually has stated
Speaker 1: she thinks he committed suicide because he was out of work.
Speaker 1: He's been living off his savings, was trying to sell
Speaker 1: his house, as we saw from the video, and apparently
Speaker 1: things just weren't working out the way he had hoped,
Speaker 1: and according to his girlfriend, he was running out of money.
Speaker 1: It was getting despondent over the situation. Although I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kenny could have just gotten himself
Speaker 1: another job maybe, and you know maybe. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what most people do when they when they're quote unquote
Speaker 1: business fails. Yeah, they have to go, they have to
Speaker 1: go be somebody else's employee. Yeah, that's usually what happens. Uh.
Speaker 1: And she said also that he had told her once
Speaker 1: that if he ever decumments suicide, they would never find
Speaker 1: his body. Apparently mentioned question. Yeah. So in the reading,
Speaker 1: it talks about the fact that when he was a
Speaker 1: very young man, his own father had taken his life.
Speaker 1: I believe he was the one who found the body
Speaker 1: or another family member. But I want to ask, where
Speaker 1: does that information come from? Does that come from Sharion
Speaker 1: or does it come from another source? You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I never found out exactly where that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that it must have been somewhere from Sharion,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen it actually attributed to I haven't either,
Speaker 1: I haven't really mentioned it earlier, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the jerk here, but it
Speaker 1: makes me question this theory. If we don't even know
Speaker 1: that her accounts are truly her, it then becomes a
Speaker 1: single source of information about this person. Well, and how reliable.
Speaker 1: I mean, Here's what I'll say is that we all
Speaker 1: share accounts, and none of us really have independent accounts
Speaker 1: on social media outside of the show, So pretty solidly,
Speaker 1: if one of you happens to go missing, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say it was a weird suicide thing. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: going to kill us. She's so going to kill us.
Speaker 1: Yeah she has joked about it for years. But they're
Speaker 1: right there, madam, and jury is the admitiative guilty. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: the good news is I'll still have control over this,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter, no, I just I can understand
Speaker 1: the that whole. I don't know impetus that the well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be obviously her or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the police, if they, if they care to investigate,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they really looked into this that hard,
Speaker 1: they could probably look at things like financial records and
Speaker 1: stuff and actually learn a few things about his financial state.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were other people besides his girlfriend and Neil,
Speaker 1: and he had a daughter, Victoria, probably a whole lot
Speaker 1: from There's nothing to find on her. She is quoted
Speaker 1: in one news still right, But I vaguely feel like
Speaker 1: that in and of itself is something in that he
Speaker 1: must have said something to her or they couldn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's possible to his daughter, it's possible they were not close,
Speaker 1: you know, but if they were close in any kind
Speaker 1: of regard, it seems like the fact that she's not
Speaker 1: speaking out and saying, my god, my father's missing, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, that seems like it's indicative of something, something
Speaker 1: that would have been known to her prior to either
Speaker 1: a suicide or an intentional disappearance or ye, suicide. She
Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to talk about it. Most people wouldn't,
Speaker 1: and particularly if the life insurance I'm sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 1: but particularly if if a life insurance policy has a
Speaker 1: suicide clause on it. You know, she got to pay out.
Speaker 1: That said, but if this person committed suicide, I mean no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's not great entirely possible that they were
Speaker 1: just not clot absolutely, I mean it could be that.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call him a deadbeat dad, but
Speaker 1: they may not have had a close relationship. Absolutely, what
Speaker 1: do you want to say about him? She's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know the guy he was. He bothered me, that's
Speaker 1: all wet. He was my Biod's the other deal. We've
Speaker 1: already talked about this. I mean, she wasn't exactly being
Speaker 1: harassed by the press because the press. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: like it's not surprising that they didn't go out and
Speaker 1: score a lot of hard felt quotes from Victoria. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can go either way at the at the newspaper offices,
Speaker 1: you know, interview the interview. I'm not gonna be all
Speaker 1: cheerful and go away. We got better things, right, And
Speaker 1: I guess I guess for me, it seems like, especially
Speaker 1: in two thousan fourteen, it's not like this was like
Speaker 1: the eighties seventies were the only way was news outlets.
Speaker 1: If it were me and it was my father who
Speaker 1: I had a close relationship with, for what ever reason,
Speaker 1: I would be raising hell all over the Internet. I
Speaker 1: would be tweeting constantly. I would be doing some sort
Speaker 1: of internet presence to force agencies to look into his
Speaker 1: disappearance and or murder or unless whatever, unless convinced that
Speaker 1: he did commit suicide. But the other problem with that
Speaker 1: is she is one in a billion people that are
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing. Sure, I mean, my
Speaker 1: bio dad died and there was there was literally nothing
Speaker 1: on the Internet when he died. It was I mean,
Speaker 1: do you guys know this a couple years ago and
Speaker 1: it wasn't under a Neferius circus, but there was a
Speaker 1: single blip from the newspaper and that was it. Sure,
Speaker 1: I could have screamed it every news agency and they've
Speaker 1: been like, we don't where we going here, though, guys know.
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm going with this is that like
Speaker 1: Twitter and social media, you or a great tool, especially
Speaker 1: as recently as two fourteen and the years since then.
Speaker 1: So if the daughter or even if his girlfriend I thought,
Speaker 1: really thought there was some kind of nefarious something that happened,
Speaker 1: he would be on their Twitter account that we found
Speaker 1: would be there. It wouldn't even be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: went crying to the police officers and they said no,
Speaker 1: so I said nothing. If they really cared and thought
Speaker 1: that something really bad had happened to this person into
Speaker 1: the suicide theory, then I don't know what I'm buying into.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if they thought that it warranted
Speaker 1: more investigation, they would be really they would, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: like you said, like your bio dad died, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't under an uferious circumstances. I have a total of
Speaker 1: utter confidence that if you thought it was under nefarious circumstances,
Speaker 1: you would be over everything, tweeting at whoever you right,
Speaker 1: posting wherever you could, raising as much social media presence
Speaker 1: as you could. And you're not even a millennial. But
Speaker 1: I just like that to me. Is what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily buy into any of these theories, but
Speaker 1: I think that if people who were close to him
Speaker 1: thought that something nefarious had happened to him, either it
Speaker 1: was not a hoax or either Yeah. Either the theory
Speaker 1: is like if any theory other than it was a
Speaker 1: hoax or they knew something about what happened to him,
Speaker 1: they would be raising a lot of stink on the
Speaker 1: internet because it was not It's not as though it happened.
Speaker 1: So so that was not that far along ago, no,
Speaker 1: it so you know that that would lend a little
Speaker 1: support to the suite. That's all I am saying. I
Speaker 1: guess I know that was a long way. That was
Speaker 1: a long way around, okay, but this was the sheep
Speaker 1: range is a big range. We'd work away all way
Speaker 1: around it. No, that's okay, not a problem. But but anyway,
Speaker 1: if he did commence suicide, that's a good way to
Speaker 1: do it because you know, besides uh, you know, insurance.
Speaker 1: I mean, some people maybe would like to find a
Speaker 1: way to do it but not leave behind the stigma
Speaker 1: of committing suicide. So if you'd go off looking at yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and go off instead and just you know,
Speaker 1: get lost and disappear, advantage because they know in a
Speaker 1: way that Kenny Kenny telegraphed in a sense, whether intentionally
Speaker 1: or not, a telegraphed how his death very likely was
Speaker 1: going to happen. Uh. If if you believe that he died,
Speaker 1: I let me rephrased that a little bit. If Kenny
Speaker 1: wanted to kill himself but convinced people that he died
Speaker 1: of some sort of natural cause, eaten by a mountain lion,
Speaker 1: or had an accident because he was you know, or whatever,
Speaker 1: he telegraphed that whole thing with his video. So if
Speaker 1: he was planning on killing himself, then the video he
Speaker 1: might have actually been planning at the same at the
Speaker 1: time that he made the video. So are you saying
Speaker 1: that it's basically a rough draft suicide note? Is that
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, or No, not a suicide note
Speaker 1: at all. It's a it's a red herring. I mean, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he's telling us, he's convincing us that had
Speaker 1: happened this way. I went out there by myself, I
Speaker 1: was careless, took no water, I wasn't an idiot, and
Speaker 1: I died. Yeah, that's not what really happened. Soide, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, and I got it. I get it. I
Speaker 1: get it. If you hadn't that from what you wrote that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what he's saying. Alternately, he was, you know,
Speaker 1: he left to start a new life, same thing, and
Speaker 1: started all of these other accounts, potentially reported himself missing
Speaker 1: to sniff people off the case. Yeah, I mean, yeah
Speaker 1: and so and so that those are the two possibilities there.
Speaker 1: Let's let's say, for example, he committed suicide. Now, so
Speaker 1: how how did he do it? Obviously, if you want
Speaker 1: to commit suicide, you don't want the body to be
Speaker 1: found because you don't want people knowing you commit suicide.
Speaker 1: You committed suicide, and there's going to be evidence, so
Speaker 1: you gotta where do it? What do you do? Well,
Speaker 1: what I think he might have done, and this is
Speaker 1: consistent with the evidence, because they lost his trail at
Speaker 1: the mine shaft. So what he could have done was
Speaker 1: parked his jeep at the base at the south end
Speaker 1: of Joe May Canyon, hiked up to the mine, dropped
Speaker 1: his phone, and then retraced his path back down to
Speaker 1: his cheap and then at that at that spot where
Speaker 1: his park that's not just at the mouth of Joe
Speaker 1: May Canyon, it's also to the east is it's there's
Speaker 1: what's called Blackgate Canyon. So you could have just walked
Speaker 1: up black Black Gate Canyon a couple of miles found it, right,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. Yeah, it's found at the south end
Speaker 1: of Joe May Canyon. And then his phone was found
Speaker 1: in Patrier Canyon. No, it's found in Joe at the
Speaker 1: north end, at the north end of Joe May Canyon,
Speaker 1: which is very close to just south the quarter miles
Speaker 1: south of wild Horse Passa. So he walks back all
Speaker 1: the way back down, walks up black A Canyon if
Speaker 1: you and and kills himself. I don't think they ever
Speaker 1: looked up there. And I called those guys and left
Speaker 1: him a message asking them, you know, the comedy back
Speaker 1: and they never did, so never. You know. The other
Speaker 1: thing that that this now leads me to ask the question,
Speaker 1: of course now after the fact that it's too late
Speaker 1: to look into it, is do we know when the
Speaker 1: last time his cell phone was used or pinged? Because
Speaker 1: it could be entirely possible that he, if your theory
Speaker 1: is right, he went up there the day before that
Speaker 1: and dropped his phone next to the mine and then
Speaker 1: walked back and then went home, slept, revitalized, came back
Speaker 1: and then parked in the spot where his jeep was
Speaker 1: sound to then have an entire day to walk in
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Yeah, that did occur to me too,
Speaker 1: But I believe he made a call from that same
Speaker 1: phone that morning to his girlfriend to leave that message. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so a lot of it depends on how through
Speaker 1: the investor stigation was. I mean, if he had gone
Speaker 1: out the previous day, dropped his phone, gone to the
Speaker 1: store and bought a disposable phone and made the call
Speaker 1: from there or something, Yeah, the disposable you could have
Speaker 1: done something like that. And if nobody's looking into it
Speaker 1: too deeply, maybe they wouldn't have figured out that he
Speaker 1: actually made it from the wrong phone. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean I would think that you did it all the
Speaker 1: same day he was. Yeah, yeah, And I would say.
Speaker 1: The other thing is is like I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: how deep that mine is right there? Oh you can
Speaker 1: see the bottom, Yeah, it's not. And they apparently ran
Speaker 1: cameras down the mind where his phone was found, and
Speaker 1: they didn't find Yeah, funny, nobody volunteered to go down
Speaker 1: there in person, but yeah, they they checked it out
Speaker 1: pretty thoroughly, and ab certainly I was sitting after a
Speaker 1: little while, you know, if you keep coming back checking it,
Speaker 1: and you can just come back and just give it
Speaker 1: a little sniff, you can probably tell if there's a
Speaker 1: body down there a certain a little a little certain
Speaker 1: amount of time, you'll know. Okay, Well they did check,
Speaker 1: they did check the mind shaft. Although I guess if
Speaker 1: you really, really, you know, Kenny could have taken a
Speaker 1: shovel and gone down there to the bottom and dug
Speaker 1: himself out a little a little side passage and emburied
Speaker 1: himself in there and again or a flood. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the suicide thing, I think it's a real possibility. I
Speaker 1: think you have. And there's another way too, from where
Speaker 1: the mine is, and I think I pointed it out
Speaker 1: to you guys already on the topographic map, if you
Speaker 1: go to east, there's a gulch that goes about a
Speaker 1: mile and a half and it goes to a pass
Speaker 1: because the sheep the Sheep range, there's it's basically a
Speaker 1: long ridge that goes north to south and there's this one.
Speaker 1: There's a few passes through it. There's just one pass.
Speaker 1: It's just due east of the mine shaft. So he
Speaker 1: could have gone up up the side of the mountain
Speaker 1: through the pass over to the east side of the
Speaker 1: Sheep Range, which I'm just about sure they did not
Speaker 1: search for him because they were again they had they
Speaker 1: had every reason to believe he was somewhere in Picture
Speaker 1: Canyon probably that's where they looked. And so he could
Speaker 1: have gone to the east side of the range, hidden,
Speaker 1: found a hiding hole, killed himself and that's it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so there's a suicide thing, I think. And if
Speaker 1: Kenny did kill himself, I could see the appeal to
Speaker 1: a guy like Kenny. Frankly, Kenny was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a ham. I could see the appeal to a
Speaker 1: guy like Kenny of posting this video is saying yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up. Yeah, because he's looking for the cave.
Speaker 1: Remember the cave was super creepy, remember that it was.
Speaker 1: And I could see where from his point of view,
Speaker 1: he leaves his mystery behind. So of all of his inventions,
Speaker 1: himself is his greatest invention. All of the other things
Speaker 1: he invented were squat Yeah. But you know, on the
Speaker 1: other side, and other people have noted this, he seems
Speaker 1: kind of like an upbeat, cheerful person noticed not a desponded,
Speaker 1: suicidal person. But but we've talked about this before that
Speaker 1: that is not always an indicator of what the internal
Speaker 1: struggle of somebody is. Yeah, and so it's just so suicide.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it that some that's had some
Speaker 1: pretty decent support here. H and as there's one more theor,
Speaker 1: of course, which is the staged his disappearance and went
Speaker 1: not to start a new life. I don't believe it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know it could have been the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, he drops his phone and
Speaker 1: goes back to the jeep and he pulls a bicycle
Speaker 1: or a moped out of the back of the jeep
Speaker 1: and heads off to start his new life. I kind
Speaker 1: of doubt this. I want to be Kenny is a
Speaker 1: likable guy. Well, I think this is the thing we
Speaker 1: run into with all of these stories, is that we
Speaker 1: really just want to believe that these people whoever disappeared
Speaker 1: just disappeared on their own volition to go live a
Speaker 1: much happier life somewhere. Yeah. I mean the thing is
Speaker 1: is that if he's if he's got all his financial
Speaker 1: strife in his world at this day and age at
Speaker 1: that time, I mean we've just with two thou eight
Speaker 1: is when the financial collapse happens. He's watched so many
Speaker 1: other people go through that, and they've all survived and
Speaker 1: they're coming out and by this time, don't people who
Speaker 1: have gone under have come out on the other side
Speaker 1: and they're doing okay. So it's not as if he's
Speaker 1: looking at I'm gonna lose my how said my world
Speaker 1: is going to turn to utter guano. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna suck for a while, but it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: And other people have have gone down that same path. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't I have no idea what the real
Speaker 1: estate market was like in Las Vegas, and I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: It's just as crappy as everywhere else, but not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was like, I mean, it wasn't as
Speaker 1: bad as it wasn't like two thousand and eight nine, right,
Speaker 1: But it's not it's not a booming bubble economy, which
Speaker 1: I believe is probably when he began his because he
Speaker 1: had his home for four years. He might have got
Speaker 1: that thing at the cusp of the bubble. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he. If he did, that's really sad,
Speaker 1: poor guy. And I know a lot of people did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's that's what I say. He's like, he's watched
Speaker 1: all the other people who've fallen before him get back
Speaker 1: up and survive. So well, if you can hang onto
Speaker 1: the house and the market comes back, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like you're gonna be underwater forever. But I no,
Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it. I think more most likely
Speaker 1: he probably did kill himself, um the And I do think,
Speaker 1: like I was I was saying before, I think he
Speaker 1: planned the video out. I think he actually planned it
Speaker 1: as a way to number one, get them to look
Speaker 1: for his body somewhere where it wasn't number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: to get people to believe he gone out there and
Speaker 1: perished of a mountain lion attack or a horrible accident
Speaker 1: or something, so that you know, people wouldn't think, oh,
Speaker 1: he committed suicide. So I think that's probably it. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I thought was really kind of
Speaker 1: interesting is where they found the phone, because he he
Speaker 1: hikes up there, presumably again we don't know, but he
Speaker 1: accept there drops the phone and his girlfriend said, by
Speaker 1: the way that he carried these big cargo pants with
Speaker 1: you know, the the velcro pockets. Yeah, yeah, those things,
Speaker 1: and he carried his phone and those things, and she
Speaker 1: said it seemed really unlikely the phone fell out accidentally.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sorry. I used to wear those kind
Speaker 1: of pants all the time, remember fell out that, Steve,
Speaker 1: you are the exception matter I've had. I've had cargo
Speaker 1: pants and I don't have I never had my phone
Speaker 1: fall out of him. What you're gonna say, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say something totally different. With the number of
Speaker 1: submissions that he made too Shark Tank, yeah, he just
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy who was really searching for Internet fame.
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I guess I'm in the wrap
Speaker 1: up phase of this episode. In my mind, this is
Speaker 1: a really super great way to get famous online, is
Speaker 1: to make of it. Used to comment on someone's viral
Speaker 1: video right to say, you're right, I've seen this too.
Speaker 1: And then when people are like people that were slamming
Speaker 1: him and getting more attention, and as soon as everyone
Speaker 1: was like, no, you haven't, he's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: screw you, I'm going to prove it. And he goes up,
Speaker 1: it never comes back. Whoops, you're right, I can't find it.
Speaker 1: It's so weird, and then goes up and drops his
Speaker 1: cell phone. Whoops. Conveniently right there, right, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: he just and that's and it is a happier ending,
Speaker 1: I guess necessarily than it's a happier ending to say
Speaker 1: that totally fagrigated this whole thing and he's living some
Speaker 1: really happy somewhere. I'm not. I'm not willing to just
Speaker 1: grab onto the happier ending. I think that he didn't
Speaker 1: engineer his own demise, and in an Internet way, I
Speaker 1: think he accidentally engineered his own demise with his own
Speaker 1: ill preparedness an accident. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: he just was not prepared for what he got into.
Speaker 1: And when you know, when he hit the fan, Kenny
Speaker 1: realized that he was not as good at what he
Speaker 1: thought he was, but by then it was too late
Speaker 1: to fix the mistakes. Well, I guess here's the other
Speaker 1: thing I will say is that the number of guys
Speaker 1: on the Internet who claimed to be amazing martial artist,
Speaker 1: taekwondo samurai dudes, right, videos are not they get knocked
Speaker 1: over by a pug, right, But so I think there
Speaker 1: is a little bit of room to say Kenny could
Speaker 1: have been one of those dudes who goes out there
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, my god, I have no water
Speaker 1: and no food and I'm such a badass. But he's
Speaker 1: got an entire camelback full of food and water, like
Speaker 1: he's trying to represent himself as this kind of hardcore
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. We don't know that Kennedy wasn't. Don't said that,
Speaker 1: we don't know I And that's why I really think
Speaker 1: that even though I think it's possible he did go
Speaker 1: out and then just you know, have an accident or
Speaker 1: die of thirst or whatever, it is possible, I think
Speaker 1: there's an element of planning here because and it went
Speaker 1: into the video. Like I said, all the time, he's
Speaker 1: talked about stuff like, oh, it's really hairy, it's scary,
Speaker 1: it's like danger. He does talk about time about this, dude.
Speaker 1: How many more times can you say, well, he does.
Speaker 1: But when you look at where the video began and
Speaker 1: where he left his phone, the exact same place almost yeah, no,
Speaker 1: not almost where So the video began begins at the mind.
Speaker 1: The phone is that the mind, and that is where
Speaker 1: the search for Kenny begins also, So I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. I think that he left it there
Speaker 1: deliberately and and he went somewhere else to you know,
Speaker 1: kill himself for whatever reason. Artist starting life. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I choose obviously to believe because it's happier that he
Speaker 1: went off to start a new life. Well, I hope
Speaker 1: so too. I agree. I totally an amazing listener of
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Speaker 1: not is YouTube, but you never know, might be going
Speaker 1: looking for a cave one of these days. That's it
Speaker 1: for us until next week. Anybody you've got anything more
Speaker 1: to say here? No take a hike Stars is the best,
Speaker 1: all right you guys Bay