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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thicking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as

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Speaker 1: always by Steve and and it's time for another mystery. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this week, we're gonna talk about a good one. This

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Speaker 1: involves like the Nellis Air Force Testing Range in Area

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Speaker 1: Beach in the mountains just east of the Air Force

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Speaker 1: I've seen. If it's truly her, yeah, I believe it is,

426
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: But you know, it's hard to say. She's she's a

427
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: little bit of she's she's a little a little elusive.

428
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: There's Yeah, there's something about her. Yeah, at least her

429
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: presence on the internet. Yeah, and maybe she just just

430
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: doesn't want to have that much to do with the Internet.

431
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: But she did post that video that had a lot

432
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: of stills. It was like kind of a montage of

433
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: still Yeah, that's from yeah, And so that was that

434
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: was posted like last year or the year before, but

435
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years after he disappeared. But okay, but anyway,

436
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: this kind of gives you the background of our story. Okay,

437
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: he you know, he was out of work and a

438
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: little worried about money. You'd had this to do, just

439
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: dust up on YouTube. He'd been out and posted and

440
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: been out there to the Sheep Range. I didn't know

441
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: if I mentioned where that that's where the cave is,

442
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: the Sheep Range northwest of Vegas, and he had posted

443
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: his video he wanted to go back out. Okay, So

444
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about first the video and if you're

445
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: curious to see where exactly where this took place, of

446
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: course you are, then let me tell you. It begins

447
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: with Kenny standing next to an abandoned mind shaft. The coordinates,

448
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: if you want to really know exactly where it is

449
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: are be Are you ready thirty six point five five

450
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: four seven four seven by negative point to eight eight

451
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: six six zero. So there you go. Yeah, you couldn't

452
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: point that on the map. You can, actually, yes, yes

453
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: you can pretty precisely. And if you look at this, yeah,

454
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: if you look at this on a map, June out

455
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: a little bit. You see. Necess area is actually just

456
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: east of the Nellis Air Force Range as I mentioned before,

457
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: which is it provoked some speculation on the innerwebs about

458
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: am maybe what happened to Kenny, like like maybe the

459
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: military was was or is dumping dead alien bodies in

460
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: the Sheep range or toxic waste. Perhaps. I know that

461
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: In the video, Kenny's kind of zooms in. He goes

462
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: to the top of this mind which is a vertical shaft,

463
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: and zooms down to the bottom. There's an old, an

464
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: old wooden ladder, a couple of ladders going all the

465
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: way down quite a way, and he didn't try to

466
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: climb down, which is one area where he showed a

467
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: little sense because you know, I'm sure those ladders are

468
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: rotten and wouldn't support him. That there are the very

469
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: body we see an old rusty, an old rusty metal drum,

470
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: and of course that's that's what some people say. Well,

471
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: I wonder if the military put some toxic waist down there.

472
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: And I will say this, these videos um triggered my

473
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: SMR like whoa, because it's I mean, he's just like

474
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: walking through like gravel roads and talking and I don't know,

475
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: like if there's something something about it that really appealed

476
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: to my brain apparently. But they're also it's also worth watching.

477
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: It's only like twenty it's long, So if you have

478
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: the ability to watch these videos, I would. Yeah, I

479
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: mean he's not. I mean he spends a good five

480
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: minutes talking about like some nuts that he found, ye,

481
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: and then at the very end there's like another five

482
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: minutes about him being like, let's look at this tortoise

483
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: I found. I can't you can't touch it legally, you

484
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: can't touch it. When we get as close as I

485
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: possibly could touching it, and I loved it to The

486
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: tortoise is sitting there and just got his arms with

487
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: arms and legs and head sticking out, you know. Then

488
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Kenny comes out close, just put his hand next to it,

489
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: so you can get an idea of the size of it,

490
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: you know. But you could tell Kenny was like really

491
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: hard not to touch it, Like he was like, okay,

492
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: you can't touch it. Who like, don't touch it. But

493
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: now if you watch the video, as he gets close,

494
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the tortoise goes.

495
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: He just sucks everything. Yeah. No, I mean the video

496
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: is pretty intense, But I would say, you know, it's

497
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: a twenty minutes well spent, especially minutes, especially if this

498
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: is something that interests to you. But I would I

499
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: would definitely watch it. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely if you're

500
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: interested in this mystery, and of course you are, we're

501
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: talking about it. Yeah, yeah, I know. But but anyway,

502
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: back to the military dumping toxic waste. That's fine. Now

503
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: that now we had to talk about the tortoise sooner

504
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: or later. But uh, you know that actually makes sense.

505
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: No one ever seems to go up in the sheep range.

506
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of godforsaken. Um okay, so sore, So how

507
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: do so this whole thing is Kenny's gonna go find

508
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: M cave. He's going up there to look for the

509
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: M cave. So it starts so he starts that, so

510
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: he starts at this mine shef But I'm gonna talk about,

511
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: first of all, where he parked. He parked about four

512
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: miles south of there. And now, and so if you

513
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: want to get there, if you're actually in Vegas and

514
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: you want to drive out there, it's easy to get to.

515
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: You drive out Highway nine northwest from Vegas. You turn

516
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: right on Corn Creek Road and go about four miles

517
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: and the road tease right there at Alamo Road, so

518
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: you gotta turn either left or right. Turn left which

519
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: is north, and then go about three miles turn right

520
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: on Joe May Road, which is the only road can

521
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: turn right on. Is that I'm sorry? Is that somewhere

522
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: close to the Ruby Tuesdays out there? I'm sure. I'm

523
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: sure there's at least two Ruby Tuesdays on the way

524
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, but a good point by the way,

525
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: and stopping for the milk shakes are awesome. And you

526
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: get on Joe May Road, you drive about four miles

527
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: and you get to the end of the road. That's

528
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: where you are. You're at the south end of Joe

529
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: May Canyon. And so that's where he purchased jeep. He

530
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: hiked north up that canyon about four miles to the

531
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: starting poart of the video, which is the mind shaft.

532
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: And word of warning on this right. If you go

533
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: out there, go take somebody, Take a friend, at least

534
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: one friend. Definitely take some water with you. It's kind

535
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: of be hot out there. Take a lot of water

536
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: with you, wear some bhoots, yeah, take some food. Prepare

537
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: for the day. Probably a first aid kill at least

538
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: a compass first aid kit. Wear long pants for the rattlers,

539
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: and good boots. Like I said, yeah, the great thing

540
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: about water is water weighs a lot, but you can

541
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: always stash some somewhere along the way to There's a

542
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys of ways to deal with that, but

543
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: water is indispensable. Butt of all. It's it's the desert,

544
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: so it gets freaking cold, and I will take a

545
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: place of the coat. That's what. Yeah, layers, wear long pants,

546
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: take lots of water with you. One thing I want

547
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: to point out though here is that I know this

548
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: for watching the video, but when we when we've been

549
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: talking about it, this mine entrance, if you don't know,

550
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: it's not a mine entrance that is in the side

551
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: of a hill. It's a vertical mind shaft with this

552
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: weird metal contraption with a polleon top. Has all been

553
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: planked over for the most part, and I feel like

554
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: it made me very uncomfortable for reasons totally unknown, because

555
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you feel like it's gonna collapse. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't

556
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: walk out on that wooden platform. Definitely had nothing to

557
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: do with fall in New Vegas now, but yeah, if

558
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: you if you decide to take this hike, though, as

559
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: you're working your way up to the top of this canyon,

560
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: is very near the top and you'll see the mine.

561
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: There's this sort of this thing sticking up like a

562
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: metal framework. You'll see it off on your right. It's

563
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: sort of a top of a low hill that's taken

564
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: more than one single Snickers bar with you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um.

565
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: So when you get to the mine, that's about at

566
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: elevation gang. So that's that's uphill and that's where the

567
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: video starts. Right then, that's where it starts. From there,

568
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: you go about a quarter mile north to what's called

569
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: wild Horse Pass and you can find out on Google

570
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: when you look for it. You'll see it as a

571
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: little saddle there and you go over the past and

572
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: from there Canny goes downhill to the north and then

573
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: makes a left through a cleft between two cliffs and

574
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: goes into what's called Picture Canyon, which makes yeah, which

575
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you can also find on Google. Um, it's marked, and

576
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: that's where the cave supposedly was somewhere in Picture Canyon,

577
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: and that this part of the video starts at nine

578
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: minutes thirty seconds and we're talking finger canyons, right, uh yeah, yeah.

579
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Picture you go to the cleft and there's sort of

580
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: a biggish sort of roundish area, large area, and then

581
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: and then there's a valley that goes off to the north,

582
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: a canyon that goes out to the north, and then

583
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: another finger if it goes off to the west. We're

584
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: talking like relatively small all I mean, there's talking like right, yeah,

585
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: we're not talking right. We're talking about hundreds of yards wide,

586
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: but not hundreds of yards wide the widest and then

587
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it towards the towards the western side, towards the western

588
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: end of it, it narrows down. It narrows down quite

589
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: a bit, and then it sort of snakes out off

590
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: to the west. And throughout this video, of course, Candy

591
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: is dispensing lots of handy tips on wilderness survival, like

592
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: don't bother bringing a compass, water or food. Yeah, yeah,

593
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: that's he's a super survival he totally, he says. He says, oh,

594
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I only bring a little bit of water and I

595
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: brought one candy bar to get me to the day.

596
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: It's like okay, dude, yeah, I mean it was kind

597
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: of like near the end of the video. I think

598
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: it was kind of the near the Tortoise situation where

599
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, Okay, are you going to this can?

600
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: And look this cool toward here amazing. You could tell

601
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: he's just a little delirious and like super White, he's

602
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: still got miles to go before he gets where the

603
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: beer is going to be there, it's still going to

604
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: be and he yea. And he talked a lot about

605
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: the one beer he's got sitting in his car that's

606
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: still somehow going to be cold. Yeah, well if you buy,

607
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: if you put in the put in in there and

608
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: buy a big block of ice to set it next

609
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: to it, try somebody doesn't break into your car still

610
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: into the dry ice. Yeah yeah, but it's all about

611
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: yeah I could And actually his his incentive system is

612
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: pretty sensible at the crypt by the way, No, I mean,

613
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: I agree, like there's something to be said about having

614
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: a you know, some sort of drink or amazing at

615
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: the end when you got back, But that should not

616
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: pre date pre eminent what's the word I'm looking for.

617
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: It should not take precedence over taking reasonable water and

618
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: food supplies with ney, which it seems like it did.

619
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: It I mean, I love of Pete, I went. I

620
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: told you guys, I went up on Mount Taper this week,

621
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: which is not in any kind of heavy clime, because

622
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I drove up most problem about an hour and a

623
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: half around. I didn't take water and I didn't take

624
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: a granola bar because I was super close to and

625
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: in the two hours that I was dinking around. By

626
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the time I got back to my car, I was

627
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: absolutely famished and just exhausted and immediately went, I mean

628
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: in town, thank God, went to the first food establishment

629
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: and I told you guys story. I'm sure. We went

630
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon over the summer right after crime

631
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: con and I am you found a ring there? Yeah?

632
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: I did find a ring there was pretty a beautiful ring. Um.

633
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: But I am a wilderness e MT like survivalist. And

634
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I was wearing flip flops and had like my clutch

635
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: purse and a cappuccino with me and we're walking other hand.

636
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Now we're walking like along the rim, and it was

637
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: just amazing to me the number of people who are

638
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: throwing me dirty looks because there's this like little bit

639
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: of a room trail where you can hop on and

640
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: hop off and you're not actually going down into the rain.

641
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: But the number of people who are like clearly giving

642
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: these looks where they were like, you are so underprepared

643
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: for what you're gonna have to go down and rescuing,

644
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: right yeah, and then like you know me knowing like

645
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: actually I'm more prepared to save all of you people

646
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: and you were to save me was pretty amazing. But

647
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I think Kenny was the opposite. He was doing exactly.

648
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: I was amazed when I was listening to her. It

649
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: was somewhere I was reading or listening to one of

650
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: his videos and he was talking about the fact that

651
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: I go on hikes for so long and when I

652
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: get home my toenails you're black. Started reading about that

653
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: and that is that is a symptom of heavy duty

654
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: runners like marathon, ultra marathon run. Ye, But yeah, it

655
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: wasn't exaggerating, but but a guy to be hiking for

656
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: a day or three, he's really really putting his body

657
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: under something. Unfortunately. One thing that can encourage the like

658
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: mail falling off is well lack of water, but also

659
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: like boots that don't fit you. Great, that could be

660
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: and this is another thing. Why can he should have

661
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: taken more water because he says specifically, he said, I

662
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: lose thirteen pounds of body weight. Well, dude, you're not.

663
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: That's not a bragging, right, you're not. You're losing. That's

664
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: all waters and you need that. And that's why that

665
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: kind of thing is dangerous. I mean you might think that, hey,

666
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm tough, I'm bad. So okay, So can you filmed

667
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: himself going into Picture Canyon where the MP is No,

668
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: he goes, So he goes. He goes to Picture Canyon

669
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: to the west, and as I said, it narrows, it

670
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: sort of snakes around for a while, and eventually it

671
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: drops back down to the deserts. Can you came out

672
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: the west end? Okay? And and here is his report. Well,

673
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: I did not find the cave. That is so weird.

674
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought for sure I was just gonna

675
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: be able to find it. Um, I remember being fairly easy.

676
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Who knows. But I am at the mouth of the

677
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: canyon there. I'm just now coming out. And now I

678
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: have to take a big left hand turn and walk

679
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: all the way back to my truck, which is a long,

680
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: hard trip because I've got a lot of up and

681
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: down to do. That's it. I'll talk to you when

682
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I get back to my truck. Bye bye. So disappointment.

683
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: Kenny didn't give up. He actually actually had plans to

684
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: go back out there again. He actually posted somewhere on

685
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: YouTube this is not too long before he left. I said,

686
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I'll be going this weekend. I'll be aking Sola for

687
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: three days. I will cross through the same canyon where

688
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I found the cave. If I don't find it again,

689
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: I will just continue hiking over mountain after a mountain

690
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: to the north of the canyon. I dare any of

691
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the people that like to run their mouths on here

692
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: to join me. My hats are My hats are brutal

693
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: on the body. And and he talks about his fingernails turning,

694
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: talking about his toails falling black and falling off and

695
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um but and and uh and he

696
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: says he really wants to go find that m cave again.

697
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: I just really last I didn't comment on YouTube. Yeah,

698
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: I just really do love all of the guys who

699
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: or ladies. He's usually guys though, unfortunately just in no

700
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: in in life who think that black toenails and depriving

701
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: themselves of water and stuff is some sort of signed

702
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: manly Yeah to our literally tens of listeners who are

703
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: going to undertake this kind of don't take the water,

704
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: take the food. Don't think that you depriving yourself. It's

705
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: better for you to come back with extra water. Absolutely.

706
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, if the water is too heavy,

707
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: it's weighing you down, drink it. Drink it. Yeah, just

708
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: try the just is also for context. One thing that

709
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: we missed through this is we keep talking about the

710
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: M Cave. We've got Kenny's description. Kenny's description of M

711
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Cave is not this giant monumental cave man height. I

712
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: think it was in the text, but if we haven't emphasized,

713
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: it's not a giant thing. Yeah, yeah, it's it's about

714
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, man hit or anything. And he finds somebody there.

715
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people mentioned this too in the comments

716
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: on YouTube, that well, g this this marker, he found it,

717
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: He found the MK but these are little ones that

718
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: are maybe a foot or two tall. Yeah, he finds

719
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: other M caves that you would have to I don't

720
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: think even I don't even I really honestly, I don't

721
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: think a person would fit in any There's a lot

722
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: of cave entrances in that area that look like a

723
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: capital M if you bend the definition of a capital

724
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: M to suit what you're looking at is that, Yeah,

725
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: it could look like many letters of the alphabite. Oh

726
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: and there's also this is an a side. There's that

727
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: one that looks like kind of a kind of a

728
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: diagonal slit with the eyes. And you saw that one. Yeah,

729
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't love that one. You don't like that was

730
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: actually not that bad when you yeah, I mean yeah,

731
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: watching it in the videos, but if you watch it

732
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: without the sound on it, which I did the first time,

733
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: it's like silence, there's no close caption or anything, and

734
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: you just see this like it's almost like a horror movie.

735
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: Hands over, it's a slit with things that look like eyes.

736
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: You're just like, but then you listen and you understand

737
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: it's not it's not what that is. But these these

738
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: guys that went up there later on and did look,

739
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: they zoomed in on that, and then they decided that

740
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: they said it was bird poop on something. Yeah, it's something.

741
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: It appeared that the white eye things were multiplying multiple videos.

742
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: It appeared that there was more as time went on,

743
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: what appeared to maybe it probably was guano. Yeah, that

744
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: was probably a shifting landscape, probably at least one lash

745
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: flood in the middle of the winter. Well, I just

746
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: talked about the white spots. So Kenny, So Kenny, Like

747
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: I said, he went out. Yeah, and so on November ten,

748
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: he found his girlfriend share On left a message saying

749
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: he was heading back to the sheep range for another go.

750
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: He was going to spend a couple of nights out there. Uh,

751
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: and he was going to find that damn cave. Yeah.

752
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: Weirdly though, he didn't take his video camera. No, he didn't,

753
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: but I you know, some people have made some things

754
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: that something some out of that. He did take his gun,

755
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: but he did not take the movie camera. But I

756
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: suspect that because he was going out for an overnighter,

757
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: he had to take more provisions, had to take a

758
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: sleeping bag in his tent, etcetera. Probably wanted to save

759
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: a little weight, and so I'm not surprised he left

760
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: the movie camera behind. You think he can get the

761
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: impression that his camera would have been that big of

762
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: a camera or that much weight. No, I get that

763
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: his bulk in a pack. I totally understand him. As

764
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: you guys know, I am currently in the process of

765
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: course when this releases, this will be after the act.

766
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: But figuring out how to get about eight or nine

767
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: days worth of clothes into a pack. But still it's

768
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: not that big of a thing. And there's no weight

769
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: to that camera in his tripod in the grand scheme

770
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, but and maybe this is like better

771
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: served in theories. But when you're going out every ounce,

772
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: absolutely it does. It does, especially if you're doing over water. Well,

773
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: but but he might have decided at that point, actually

774
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: it's better for me to take the water than the camera.

775
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I wish or the gun replaces the camera in ounceage.

776
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: And yes, it's like obviously we would be happier now,

777
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: but but maybe not because his camera may have never

778
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: been found. There's only one thing that ever got found,

779
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that. But yeah, that's but it

780
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: would have been great if the camera been found, and

781
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: if it was found footage like Blair Witch projects. Yeah,

782
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: so it's like it said, I've never been so scary

783
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: as Kenny going, I've never been so thirsty because I

784
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: don't actually all joking aside, Yeah, I didn't mind watching

785
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: any of Kenny's videos. That would be the video that

786
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: I absolutely would not watch. If it was the end

787
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: of Kenny. That's the kind of thing that you don't

788
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: ever as as you being want to have. I like Kenny,

789
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not would put it on the internet. Oh yeah,

790
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. And I'm not happy if Kenny didn't

791
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: he die, which some people think he did. Some people

792
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: have their their theories that maybe he didn't. We're gonna

793
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute, but let me But

794
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: so when he when he was reported missing, of course

795
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: he didn't come back. A little local search and rescue

796
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: team Red Rocks Search and Rescue. Yeah, they made four

797
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: expeditions I believe out there. They coned Picture Canyon and

798
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: Joey a Canyon looking for him. They tracked him from

799
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: where his jeep was up to the abandoned mind shaft

800
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: and they found his phone and nothing else there. And

801
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: this is the mind shaft we talked about earlier, that

802
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: very good line shaft where his video began, where it

803
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: started the first and they packed him as far as

804
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: they found the phone, but the track ended there, and

805
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: so that's it. They searched. They found no trace of

806
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: Kenny ever, not a stitch of clothing or you know,

807
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: a candy rapper, nothing, Uh, he looks to be gone

808
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: for good. So that our mystery here is what the

809
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: hell happened to Kenny? But first, before we talk about

810
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:45,880
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835
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: So our first sory is this whole thing is a hoax?

836
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: Could be? Yeah, and this guy that's in the well,

837
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: it kind of does. There's some reasons why there's there's

838
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: people out there questioning this story. Um, whether it's Kenny

839
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: even really existed or if you really disappeared, because maybe

840
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,399
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841
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440
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842
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,279
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843
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,160
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844
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
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845
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
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846
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,480
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847
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: by one TV station, which is the local NBC affiliate

848
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: ks n V New three, And they've got two stories

849
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: on their website about this, and it seems a little strange, uh.

850
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: And I looked at the websites of the two major

851
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Las Vegas newspapers, which are The Review Journal and The Sun,

852
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: and their websites have no stories at all regarding Kenny's disappearance.

853
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: I actually called them up just to check, because a

854
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: lot of websites have crappy search features, right, and so

855
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: I called them up and they confirmed that they have

856
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: never done a story about Kenny Beach ever. Actually not

857
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: really not really, well, I guess not, but but a

858
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: lot of people are wondering about this. He does have

859
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: a name is page that's a national Missing and Unidentified

860
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: Persons just so the name of page would seem to

861
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: give us some sort of authenticity, because I've heard that

862
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: they tend to be Yeah, that has to be submitted

863
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: by law enforcement, I'm thinking also, But first of all,

864
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: the influence is on the page is very skimpy, well,

865
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: extremely minimal, if we're being really totally honest. Here, most

866
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: nameless pages are somewhat like a vague description of a

867
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: person and like where they were maybe last seen. And

868
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: that's that. Yeah. But here's the other thing is that

869
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: if you wanted to create an Internet legend and you're clever,

870
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: you could create a really beautiful copy and and totally

871
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: spoof the name is page and have people thinking it

872
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: would show up on web searches and stuff. This is

873
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: just hypothetical, And so that's and so again I'm questioned

874
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: work I also wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, I think it'd

875
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: be easier to fake a human and report it to

876
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: men than it would to be spoof a names account.

877
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: But whatever, maybe that's maybe that's that's another way where

878
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: you could hack in and just plant some spans because

879
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: we've talked to I mean, you know you're gonna talk

880
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: about this in a second. But like his girlfriend may

881
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: or may not be real, yeah right, me may not

882
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: be real human or or her Internet presence may not

883
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: so it might not be her talking, right, And so

884
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that sort of possible pity of this

885
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: person who was his quote unquote girlfriend reported him missing,

886
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: but maybe him that reported him missing and he was

887
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: a real person, but he's not actually missing, not actually,

888
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: while he might have moved, he might have skipped down,

889
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: but he's not actually. Uh no, I really legally speak,

890
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: how are you pronoun? I'm going to share, but but anywhere? Yeah,

891
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: I did. I did check with the Las Vegas Police

892
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: Department though, and it turns out that it turns out

893
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: that they actually do have an open case well for Kenny,

894
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: So it's real apparently. I talked to a detective Danny

895
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: at Missing Persons. He said, yeah, he really did exist,

896
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: he really did disappear, and he confirmed also the shary

897
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: on as a real person. Okay, so it like everything

898
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: I just said, the hoax is not a hope, it's

899
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: not a hoax. Yeah. And after the lack of news coverage,

900
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: I talked to this woman who was the librarian at

901
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: the Sun newspaper and she said, well, in last Vegas,

902
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: people disappearing is not considered newsworthy in Vegas. For sure,

903
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, if you just said, yeah, there's

904
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: just so, it's so. And even though a lot of

905
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: people are suspicious. Now I do briefly want to talk

906
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: about Sherrian's Twitter account. Yeah, because you reached out to

907
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: me about this. I men, yeah, and she is a

908
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: person who exists on Twitter. Kenny doesn't exist on Twitter

909
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. But her first three

910
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: tweets were just spam, like actual literal spam, and there

911
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: were only so she's only got eight tweets in the

912
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: existence of her account that are public, I guess. And

913
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: so the three year or spam, and the other five

914
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: are to this guy named Eric the Hiker. Yeah, did

915
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: you look at these? I don't know. I didn't know.

916
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: Very yeah, never Actually very first one is just like

917
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: Eric the Hiker, Hey, it's noon. You should have checked

918
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: in by now. What is going on? And then the

919
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: next one is like, Eric, this isn't funny check in,

920
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: And the next one is like, Eric, if you don't

921
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: check in in an hour, we're reporting you missing. So

922
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: it seems and I didn't do any research into Eric

923
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: the Hiker because actually it turns out Eric Hiker is

924
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: a totally defunct count and Twitter is one of the

925
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: websites that doesn't let the don't let the archive crawled,

926
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: so it could be that Kenny was actually Eric. I think, No,

927
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't, because it was it was a couple of

928
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: years later, it seems that in Yeah, so it's a

929
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: couple of years later. But I will say that it

930
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting that she is connected with another

931
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: hiker that may or may not have gone missing. She's

932
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: the hiking black widow. But again, but again, you know,

933
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, especially in that kind of area, it's

934
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: not weird that people go missing. No, no, not at all. Nevada,

935
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: it's not weird. Yeah. As far as far as Eric

936
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: the hiker, he he was probably just a troll. I

937
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: think that because what happened is he posted this guy

938
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: posted the comments on the video on the video on

939
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: YouTube and said basically, hey, I'm gonna go up there

940
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go looking for him. I'm gonna go

941
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: like this weekend or something like that. I'm gonna find

942
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: the m K. I'm gonna find Kenny's remains or whatever.

943
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: And so somebody clued her in on at something, and somebody,

944
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: well somebody clued her in on and so she she

945
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: tweeted the guy just said, hey, dude, check in, be

946
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: sure to check in. Let's know that you're back safe

947
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and and uh and and she never he never replied,

948
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: and it was probably just a troll because he had

949
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: to said. He deleted his Twitter account right after that,

950
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: so I think he was just trying to get people concerned.

951
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure he never actually even went up there, but

952
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: that was it for her tweeting. But I gotta I

953
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: gotta say, there's a lot of people out there who

954
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: have Twitter accounts and never actually tweet. I mean, I've

955
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: got a Twitter account and I don't actually tweet. I

956
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: know that I never had a Twitter account and I

957
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: don't tweet, but I intentionally didn't create one. Yeah, but

958
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: there's some interesting stuff that I didn't have time to

959
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: dive into. But there's some like Yahoo answers questions where

960
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: it's like Eric the Hiker and picking bad men with

961
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: like an online dating situation. Yeah, I mean it's maybe

962
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: that's where Eric got his name from. Well, but so

963
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: there's some kind of weird stuff around that that I like, frankly,

964
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: I like I said, I didn't necessarily have time to

965
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: dive into, but it's Erica Hiker is like a weird name. Yeah,

966
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weird thing that's been happening on

967
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: the Internet for just like a very small timeframe around

968
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: that whole situation. But yeah, I mean, it is interesting

969
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: that she was tweeting at this person. Eight tweets, five

970
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: of them are at this person who may may not

971
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: existed and may or may not have been going after

972
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: finding Kenny's body, probably did may have been an internet troll.

973
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: It's totally possible. I mean, Ken m is the thing

974
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: which you guys may or may not know about on

975
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: the Internet who's like a professional internet troll who just

976
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: says the stupidest things you could possibly ever say on

977
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: the Internet. And that's like what he does on the Internet.

978
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: Does he make a living doing this? I don't know,

979
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't recommend anybody looks at No, I wouldn't either,

980
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't really know really where

981
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: the whole situation comes in. And I don't know either,

982
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: And I would agree that it's it's weird and kind

983
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: of feels like a hoax. It does, it does. Sharon's

984
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: does a lot of commenting on this video, replies to

985
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and you've gotta wonder, is this

986
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: really her? Is it's just Kenny somewhere out there. Maybe

987
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: Kenny disappear to move to Atlantic City and he's out

988
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: there impersonating his ex girlfriend replying to people on YouTube

989
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: because he knows that she doesn't ever go on you. Yeah,

990
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: he has her password. People who just completely reject the Internet,

991
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: and I don't blame them a lot of the more,

992
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: even more than that, it's you know, things like you know,

993
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: as we said, Joe has a Twitter account that he

994
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: never ever uses. Maybe Steve you or I can fake

995
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: his password and log in, and it turns out, actually

996
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: Joe has been super active on Twitter in the last

997
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: five years, but he doesn't know because he never uses it.

998
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: I probably had to go out there and take a look.

999
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: See what's It's possible that his ex girlfriend could have

1000
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: had these accounts and that she wasn't using them, and

1001
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: he knew that she wasn't using them, and so he

1002
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: did it's a opportunity, or he created the accounts of

1003
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: so like. For example, the her Twitter account was created October,

1004
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: right about the same time he posted those four videos,

1005
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: And you asked me to look that up, and it

1006
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: turns out I can't find out. Yeah, I know. I

1007
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: wanted down to the exact date in October one once

1008
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: she signed up. You know, it would have been really

1009
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: interesting if it was October seventeen, perfect. Okay. So that's

1010
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: the other thing to point out though, is that it's

1011
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that really gets people going is

1012
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Kenny uploads multiple videos on the same day. He's selling

1013
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: his house video, his Shark Tank videos, and I think

1014
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: his MK video they all went up on the same day.

1015
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: Selling the house want went up about five weeks before September,

1016
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: early September, and but all the other four they all

1017
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: went up on Okay, four of the go up on

1018
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: the same day, which is which is weird. Now. I

1019
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: get that there's there are people who just figure out

1020
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: how to do it until they just dump it all in.

1021
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: But that's a red flag to a lot. That's not

1022
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: what I was going to say. I was going to say,

1023
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that he kept saying I'm going

1024
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: to sell my house with me, whether or not it

1025
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: was as a maintenance guy who just worked there or whatever,

1026
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: while he apparently had this super serious girlfriend that maybe

1027
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: he could have gone and lived with instead. He because

1028
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: that was no, you don't think so, no, No, I mean,

1029
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: I flesh out what you're saying. I'm I'm just saying

1030
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: I just interpret what you're saying. Tell me what you're saying.

1031
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: It seems like Sharion Scharion. I don't know how we're

1032
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: saying her name. They were serious, I guess they were

1033
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend girlfriend. I would I would be willing to affirm

1034
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: that they were serious enough to be dating, to be dating,

1035
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: and for her to be really concerned about him online. Okay,

1036
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: but that that is an easy thing to be in

1037
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's early to where are you going?

1038
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: I want to before I make jumps, I want to.

1039
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it seems crazy to me that

1040
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: he felt like he needed to sell his house, plus

1041
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: him still living there, um, but so he has the

1042
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: backup of Okay, But that's the only thing I'm say

1043
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: is that I really, based on what I've seen with

1044
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: Kenny and guys that I've known like him, there's male pride.

1045
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: He talks about how he built this house, how he

1046
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: did everything with this house in four years old. So yes,

1047
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: so there is the I built this, this is my thing.

1048
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I can't give up this thing and then go live

1049
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: on somebody else's um handouts that I can't just I

1050
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: just can't slub around. Yeah, I think that. I mean

1051
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: that's why I was. I wasn't I don't think that

1052
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: he would do that. But I also don't necessarily think

1053
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: she was a real person. But that's why I don't

1054
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: think that I think they were. That is super serious.

1055
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how serious it were. I think she was.

1056
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: She is a real person as far as I know that,

1057
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: as far as you know, is her Internet presence really here?

1058
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. So I guess the first theory was

1059
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: that no, yeah, it's definitely not. Yeah, he definitely disappeared.

1060
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: He was definitely a real human who also definitely disappeared. Yeah, ok, yeah,

1061
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: So that leaves us with some other theories that are

1062
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: out here. One is he just went out there, got

1063
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: lost out of exposure, thirst whatever. You can't just take

1064
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: no water and like a single bar. Yeah no, I'm

1065
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: sure you never took some more provisions for his overnight

1066
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: or than Yeah, but even that, like if if we're

1067
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: going to just extrapolate out from what he took on

1068
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: his day hike to what he would take on his

1069
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: night hike, I also think people very often vastly underestimate

1070
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: what a desert's going to be like at night, And

1071
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: it did not seem like at he Kenny had actually

1072
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: spent time out there overnight before. That's great, that's great

1073
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, but you know, the things to consider

1074
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: in the desert are those flash freezes or flash floods

1075
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: that can come and go with almost no evidence whatsoever.

1076
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: And and Devin brings up a great point, what is

1077
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the do you remember, Joe, I don't remember the name

1078
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: of the guy who puts the Finding Kenny video up?

1079
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: Remember his name? Yeah, So they make so if you

1080
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: watch the MK video and then you watch the hour

1081
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: long Finding Kenny to video, they very They start talking

1082
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: about the fact that they can tell in the time

1083
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: since they've been out there, which is there's been flooding

1084
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: and the train is massively change. So I mean, it's

1085
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: it's very easy though that Kenny said, oh I think

1086
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: it's here. He does the MK video. He then gets

1087
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: home uploads this and realizes, oh, you ding dong, you

1088
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: got turned around because the terrain changed and you should

1089
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: have hung a left at Alburquerque instead of a right

1090
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: at Alburquerque. And so he goes in that other direction,

1091
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: but of course he's told everybody this way, and then

1092
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: he gets lost and it's not where The whole reason

1093
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: that I earlier was trying to bring up the fact

1094
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: that they were finger canyons is that those are only

1095
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: formed by flash flood Those are crazy dangerous to wander

1096
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: through through flood season. And Kenny did not. While maybe

1097
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: he survived a couple of nights out, he did not

1098
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: strike me as the kind of person who would know

1099
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: better than to camp at the bottom of a canyon

1100
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: at any time, because there's there is no safe time

1101
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: to pitch a tent at the bottom of a canyon,

1102
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: because there's always the chance of a flood to come.

1103
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: And if you've watched some of those flash flood videos

1104
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: on YouTube, they're scary. I mean it's it's like thirty

1105
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: seconds of somebody filming where suddenly, you know, you go

1106
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: from ankle deep to chest deep water. And if if

1107
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: he had, for whatever reason, pitched a camp at the

1108
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: autom of the canyon, and the thing about it is

1109
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: is it all depends on the weather. I don't know.

1110
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: I assume the search and rescue guys had checked the

1111
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: weather conditions in the private private the previous second rainfall. Yeah,

1112
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: But and you would assume that they would have found

1113
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: a body at some point. They would have found I mean,

1114
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: not just a body, but a sleeping bag. But also,

1115
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: but that's also the difficulty. Let's let's just say, Okay,

1116
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: let's just hypothetically say that Kenny is completely unaware of

1117
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: where he's pitching his tent and the conditions. Let's just

1118
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: let's just make that as an overarching assumption. Here covers

1119
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: like the next five theories. Well but no, but where

1120
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm going here is all of his gear and him

1121
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: are in his tent, flash flood hits. He doesn't get

1122
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: out of the tent. If you watch the m Cave

1123
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: two video, they talk about the fact that it is

1124
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: loose gravel six ft deep. Okay, well, that means that

1125
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: if Kenny has staked his tent down and now it

1126
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: is now six ft under gravel, Search and Rescue wouldn't

1127
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: be able to detect that when they got there, because

1128
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: they can't. I don't know if I don't know if

1129
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: they brought any cadaver dogs with them on some of

1130
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: their searches. I think they did. I don't know. I mean,

1131
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea what they brought. But I'm just

1132
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: saying it's you would think that they were. For example,

1133
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, if if you know that Kenny was planning

1134
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: and going up there and crawling into a cave. So

1135
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable assumption that Kenny's dead body is inside

1136
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: a cave. I would much rather rather than having a

1137
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: crawl into every single hole that, Yeah, I would much

1138
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: rather bring a cadaver dog. That would that would be well.

1139
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: But you know, if they not one available, I don't know,

1140
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, and if the dog, but they probably should

1141
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: bring based on the terrain, tortoise because I could ever,

1142
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: tortoise is much more suited for that. Yeah, I mean,

1143
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of possibilities. I know you

1144
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: have listed on your script, so many different possibilities of

1145
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: different possibility. Just something bad happened, and it's possible under

1146
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: one overwatching theory, which is he I mean, it's okay,

1147
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: bit by a snake, bit by snake, or line or

1148
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: broke his ankle and just died of exposures, or or

1149
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: had an accident, or let's go back too quickly. He

1150
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: got lost. Um, so he said he didn't bring a

1151
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: map for a compass, although because he was a hardcore Yeah.

1152
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: Although frankly, after spending time looking at the videos and

1153
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: looking at aerials and looking at tomographic maps, I'm fairly

1154
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: familiar with the area and I think it would be

1155
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: hard to get lost there. I disagree with that because no,

1156
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean from Picture Canyon, everything is just all uphill.

1157
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: So if you get you get a little disoriented, just

1158
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: turn around and go any time getting lost. See, that's

1159
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: the thing is that I think. But I don't think easy.

1160
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: And I understand that if he had done a certain

1161
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: let's just say he did a certain loop on a

1162
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: regular basis of a certain series of loops, so he

1163
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: is familiar with the surroundings that he should see. But

1164
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: if he goes in a direction unintentionally and suddenly the

1165
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: skyline changes and he's not exactly sure, I can see

1166
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: him being the guy of guy that says it's fine,

1167
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: I'll push on. I'll see something soon, particularly on that

1168
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: if there had been kind of flooding or any kind

1169
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: of terrain change in the month between when he went

1170
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: out and videotaped it and the next time, definitely that

1171
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: can change a lot. It can. But here's the deal

1172
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: is that here's why I don't think it happened unless

1173
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: unless I agree. I don't think the Sheep Range is

1174
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: like this long finger of of sort of mountains in

1175
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: in a flat desert, and so if he had gotten

1176
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: totally lost. All he had to do was turned west,

1177
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: and it's easy to find west even without a compass,

1178
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: just use the son. All I got to do is

1179
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: turn west and walk about a mile or two, and

1180
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: he'd be bamed out an open desert. Again. Yeah, and

1181
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's would be possible unless he was

1182
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: so so disoriented from dehydration, was just totally not functioning.

1183
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: But other than that, I don't see you could possibly

1184
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: get lost in that mountain well, and even if you

1185
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: were lost, you just climb up to the hill and

1186
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: then look. I mean I I yeah, I'd let me

1187
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: rephrase that you could get lost, but not for very long.

1188
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: I would agree with you totally. It's not like a

1189
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: weird mountain range in a forest where you cannot you know,

1190
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: even at the top of a hill, you're still in

1191
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: forest and you can't figure it out totally get your

1192
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: bearings easily. And I would agree with that totally. Yeah,

1193
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: So as far as getting lost, I don't think that happened,

1194
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: but of course an accident. But even then, and even

1195
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: if you watch Kenny's video, you sort of get the

1196
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: feeling that Kenny is sort of an accident waiting to happen. Yeah,

1197
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. But again I think that

1198
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: the search and rescue probably would have found him, there

1199
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: would be some something, because I do believe that he

1200
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: probably knew kind of where he was. But that was

1201
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: the kind of eerie thing about this whole story, I guess,

1202
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: was that he always seemed to know where he was,

1203
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: and he did he knew, well, he seemed, I believed him.

1204
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe he didn't. Maybe he did, right, I'll

1205
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: allow for the fact that he didn't, But I believed

1206
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: that he knew where he was, and I believed pretty

1207
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: deeply that he kept saying, Oh, it's weird, I should

1208
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: have found this cave by now and I haven't. And that,

1209
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: I think is the thing that attracts people to this

1210
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: case the most is that it seems like he knew

1211
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: where it was. It just wasn't there. Suddenly, Yeah he was.

1212
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: It was somewhere in Picture Canyon. But again, that's the

1213
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: thing about the terrain changing in those guys walking through saying,

1214
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: look look at this, like this was six feet higher

1215
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: last time I was here. Yeah, and soge and they

1216
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: showed they showed things where you could see the mouth

1217
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: of the little inlet caves, not that they weren't deep caves,

1218
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: but six or eight feet deep, and you could see

1219
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: they had changed. Um, they showed video of them going

1220
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: down those Finger Canyon ravines where it was giant boulders

1221
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: and those seemed to be different. Which also, by the way,

1222
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: this is a weird decide and devitull probably like this is.

1223
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: Do you remember the game Jack and Daxter on the

1224
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: PlayStation Remember that? Okay, well, yeah you slated. But they

1225
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: had these series of going through canyon areas and they

1226
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: had all these round boulders and they looked exactly like

1227
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: the Finger canyons in the videos that Kenny and then

1228
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: the other guy put up on. Yeah. Yeah, it was

1229
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. Wait, I I imagine there should be

1230
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: some little ferrety guy running around, and then it figured

1231
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: out it was Jack and Daxter. There is some little

1232
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: ferity guy running around in there. You're just not seeing him.

1233
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: He's an actual ferret. Probably. What are the other theories,

1234
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: there's so many of them. We had an accident. Another

1235
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: Another favorite theory out there is that he came across

1236
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: some sort of criminal activity, criminal or federal activity or

1237
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: secret government activity, was was killed for it. For discovering

1238
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: that because they're they're burying the rubber alien body suits

1239
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah bodies. Yeah. Yeah. It's you know, that

1240
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of thing about whenever somebody disappears,

1241
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: that's always floated the theories he came across, he came

1242
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: across some drug dealers and they murdered him and and

1243
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: buried his body. You know, Well, it's always a favorite

1244
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: theory or some kind of other nefarious or other nefarious. Well,

1245
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: but that that that theory sucks. Well in this case,

1246
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: it certainly. It usually sucks, actually, but in this case

1247
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: it especially sucks. And why would you go all the

1248
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: way out there to commit crimes? I mean, by the way,

1249
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: what crimes would you commit anyway? I mean, if you're

1250
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna have people marching across the desert hauling drugs, let's

1251
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: just say that they're they're mules. You're not gonna do

1252
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: it through the middle of the Nevada desert. You're gonna

1253
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: do it on the damn Mexico border, so you can

1254
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: get him from because that's where it comes from. You

1255
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: don't make them all the way in Nevada. Now, it

1256
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense to that, to

1257
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: go out in the middle of nowhere like that and

1258
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: up into the mountains to do a drug deal and

1259
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: caulling a body out there. That would be a lot

1260
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: of work. And just like you said, ass and I

1261
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: in a really dumb way to get rid of a body.

1262
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: This carpet sucks. Why haven't been cat packing this carpet

1263
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: for five months? Because nobody will ever find him? Yeah, yeah,

1264
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: it's so the whole idea. But but again there's lots

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: of people out there who I al would like to

1266
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: float this there, and of course the case here, same

1267
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: with the secret government activity. Uh well, again it's very

1268
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: close to the an activity in an Ellis Air Force Range,

1269
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: and of course are fifty one. But of course the

1270
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: area fifty one is not actually right next door to

1271
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: where it was days a way, It's hundred thirty miles away,

1272
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: but close enough via canyon and cave. Okay, well, well

1273
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: also this is uh there supposedly is a huge network

1274
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: of underground tunnels running under that whole test area there. Yeah,

1275
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: that's what I've heard. Well, that's how they get the

1276
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: bodies in and out. Yeah. Well, but also you know

1277
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: that's where you shuttle the presidents if nuclear warn't comes. Yeah,

1278
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't be surprised at all if there

1279
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: actually were some some underground tunnels in that area. Oh,

1280
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: I feel confident. Conspiracy theories are not. I feel confident

1281
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: there are there are, you know, but I don't think

1282
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: they extend all the way in down into the sheep

1283
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: range or to the M shaped cave, although you never know. Maybe. Um,

1284
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: we also have the the the Secret Services Mountain Lion Brigade.

1285
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: Let's just keep going escape and by that I mean

1286
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: the actual mountain line no, no, no, yeah, yeah, it

1287
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: could have been uh and it could have been. Another

1288
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: one is that he actually found the cave and it's

1289
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: deadly secret, which had have been a mountain lion. Yeah.

1290
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: And um, and and but there were there's a couple

1291
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: of like out there in the interway. There's here's a

1292
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: couple of good ones. I don't want to repeat all

1293
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: of them. There's way too many of them. Uh. Let's see,

1294
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: let's see. Here's one. This is posted by Avenging Demon.

1295
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: Um who said that and when he found that these

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01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: are guys who said that he found the cave. Uh,

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01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: Avenging Demon says, and I percent that he found a

1298
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: slavery camp. The vibration shows. And remember he said his

1299
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 1: body was vibrating as he tried to get close to it.

1300
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: The vibration shows his body tried to warn him about

1301
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: others pains. So when he went in he found something

1302
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to find. The person who warned him

1303
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: this was a person on who on YouTube actually posted

1304
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: a warning to him to not go out and look

1305
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: for the cave. And and this person has been talked

1306
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: about endlessly since then. Okay, back to the text. The

1307
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: person who weren't probably escaped from there, but could not

1308
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: say more. So, if you find the cave, if you

1309
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: find Kenny, that's avenging demons comment. Okay, hippy, Yeah yeah,

1310
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: Earth has fields and we all share those fields. Dude. Yeah, okay,

1311
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: so that's one. Here's another one I was gonna say.

1312
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, either like, yeah, you can, you can be

1313
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: upset about that or not, but I don't think it

1314
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 1: applies to this. Yeah you want to read, okay, so

1315
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: you can read the comment from hops Hopkinsville Hopkinsville Goblin. Great, Okay,

1316
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: Hopkinsville Goblin says I still think about this sometimes, especially

1317
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: about the strange lights. At sixteen minutes, I was listening

1318
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: to Coast Coast am tonight and heard a story about

1319
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: these two guys who were quad biking. I don't know

1320
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: what that is. That's around a little four wheel motorcycle

1321
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: kind of things. Yeah, so a t V s. Yeah,

1322
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: two guys who were quad biking around some limestone caves

1323
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: in that area the Navy used to store dehydrated food

1324
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: and as a fallout shelter, and drove straight through a

1325
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: hologram where they ran into two reptilian humanoids. One of

1326
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: them had some kind of weapon and shot them, but

1327
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: apparently they aren't allowed to leave their caves because of

1328
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: some agreement with the military. I doubt this guy is

1329
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: still alive, but if you are looking for him, make

1330
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: sure you have weapons. His weapons spelled with the Z.

1331
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: There are a lot of weird periods and bad syntax,

1332
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot worse on the end, and

1333
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: I have to say I have to, but there was

1334
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: I just read it verbatim. I'm sorry everyone. No, No,

1335
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: that's fine, you did it. Justice got a good name.

1336
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: I like Hopkins, fille Goblin, that's a good one. We did. Yeah.

1337
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know, do you guys have any

1338
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: more uh discussion about him coming across the illicit government. No,

1339
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: I think we should just talk about like this final Yeah. Well,

1340
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: we got a couple of other sories. These are a

1341
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: little more down to earth, one of which is that,

1342
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: well Kenny committed suicide. His girlfriend's Sharon's actually has stated

1343
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: she thinks he committed suicide because he was out of work.

1344
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: He's been living off his savings, was trying to sell

1345
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: his house, as we saw from the video, and apparently

1346
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: things just weren't working out the way he had hoped,

1347
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: and according to his girlfriend, he was running out of money.

1348
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: It was getting despondent over the situation. Although I don't know,

1349
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kenny could have just gotten himself

1350
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: another job maybe, and you know maybe. I mean that's

1351
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: what most people do when they when they're quote unquote

1352
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: business fails. Yeah, they have to go, they have to

1353
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: go be somebody else's employee. Yeah, that's usually what happens. Uh.

1354
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: And she said also that he had told her once

1355
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: that if he ever decumments suicide, they would never find

1356
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: his body. Apparently mentioned question. Yeah. So in the reading,

1357
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: it talks about the fact that when he was a

1358
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: very young man, his own father had taken his life.

1359
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: I believe he was the one who found the body

1360
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: or another family member. But I want to ask, where

1361
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: does that information come from? Does that come from Sharion

1362
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: or does it come from another source? You know, I

1363
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I never found out exactly where that. I

1364
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: don't think that it must have been somewhere from Sharion,

1365
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: but I've never seen it actually attributed to I haven't either,

1366
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: I haven't really mentioned it earlier, but I don't know.

1367
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the jerk here, but it

1368
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: makes me question this theory. If we don't even know

1369
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: that her accounts are truly her, it then becomes a

1370
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: single source of information about this person. Well, and how reliable.

1371
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Here's what I'll say is that we all

1372
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: share accounts, and none of us really have independent accounts

1373
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: on social media outside of the show, So pretty solidly,

1374
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: if one of you happens to go missing, I'm just

1375
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: gonna say it was a weird suicide thing. Yeah, she's

1376
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: going to kill us. She's so going to kill us.

1377
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah she has joked about it for years. But they're

1378
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: right there, madam, and jury is the admitiative guilty. Yeah, Well,

1379
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: the good news is I'll still have control over this,

1380
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter, no, I just I can understand

1381
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: the that whole. I don't know impetus that the well, yeah,

1382
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean that would be obviously her or not. I mean,

1383
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, the police, if they, if they care to investigate,

1384
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they really looked into this that hard,

1385
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: they could probably look at things like financial records and

1386
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: stuff and actually learn a few things about his financial state.

1387
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were other people besides his girlfriend and Neil,

1388
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: and he had a daughter, Victoria, probably a whole lot

1389
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: from There's nothing to find on her. She is quoted

1390
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: in one news still right, But I vaguely feel like

1391
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: that in and of itself is something in that he

1392
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: must have said something to her or they couldn't. I mean,

1393
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: it's possible to his daughter, it's possible they were not close,

1394
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, but if they were close in any kind

1395
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: of regard, it seems like the fact that she's not

1396
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: speaking out and saying, my god, my father's missing, blah

1397
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, that seems like it's indicative of something, something

1398
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: that would have been known to her prior to either

1399
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: a suicide or an intentional disappearance or ye, suicide. She

1400
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to talk about it. Most people wouldn't,

1401
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: and particularly if the life insurance I'm sorry to interrupt,

1402
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: but particularly if if a life insurance policy has a

1403
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: suicide clause on it. You know, she got to pay out.

1404
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: That said, but if this person committed suicide, I mean no,

1405
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's not great entirely possible that they were

1406
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: just not clot absolutely, I mean it could be that.

1407
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call him a deadbeat dad, but

1408
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: they may not have had a close relationship. Absolutely, what

1409
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: do you want to say about him? She's like, I

1410
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't know the guy he was. He bothered me, that's

1411
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: all wet. He was my Biod's the other deal. We've

1412
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: already talked about this. I mean, she wasn't exactly being

1413
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: harassed by the press because the press. Yeah, so it's

1414
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: like it's not surprising that they didn't go out and

1415
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: score a lot of hard felt quotes from Victoria. I mean,

1416
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: I can go either way at the at the newspaper offices,

1417
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, interview the interview. I'm not gonna be all

1418
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: cheerful and go away. We got better things, right, And

1419
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: I guess I guess for me, it seems like, especially

1420
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: in two thousan fourteen, it's not like this was like

1421
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: the eighties seventies were the only way was news outlets.

1422
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: If it were me and it was my father who

1423
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: I had a close relationship with, for what ever reason,

1424
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: I would be raising hell all over the Internet. I

1425
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: would be tweeting constantly. I would be doing some sort

1426
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: of internet presence to force agencies to look into his

1427
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: disappearance and or murder or unless whatever, unless convinced that

1428
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: he did commit suicide. But the other problem with that

1429
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: is she is one in a billion people that are

1430
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing. Sure, I mean, my

1431
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: bio dad died and there was there was literally nothing

1432
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: on the Internet when he died. It was I mean,

1433
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: do you guys know this a couple years ago and

1434
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't under a Neferius circus, but there was a

1435
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: single blip from the newspaper and that was it. Sure,

1436
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: I could have screamed it every news agency and they've

1437
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: been like, we don't where we going here, though, guys know.

1438
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm going with this is that like

1439
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: Twitter and social media, you or a great tool, especially

1440
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: as recently as two fourteen and the years since then.

1441
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: So if the daughter or even if his girlfriend I thought,

1442
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: really thought there was some kind of nefarious something that happened,

1443
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: he would be on their Twitter account that we found

1444
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: would be there. It wouldn't even be like, oh, I

1445
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: went crying to the police officers and they said no,

1446
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: so I said nothing. If they really cared and thought

1447
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: that something really bad had happened to this person into

1448
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: the suicide theory, then I don't know what I'm buying into.

1449
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if they thought that it warranted

1450
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: more investigation, they would be really they would, Yeah, because

1451
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: like you said, like your bio dad died, but it

1452
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: wasn't under an uferious circumstances. I have a total of

1453
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: utter confidence that if you thought it was under nefarious circumstances,

1454
01:20:55,200 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: you would be over everything, tweeting at whoever you right,

1455
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 1: posting wherever you could, raising as much social media presence

1456
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: as you could. And you're not even a millennial. But

1457
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: I just like that to me. Is what I'm saying is,

1458
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily buy into any of these theories, but

1459
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: I think that if people who were close to him

1460
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: thought that something nefarious had happened to him, either it

1461
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: was not a hoax or either Yeah. Either the theory

1462
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: is like if any theory other than it was a

1463
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: hoax or they knew something about what happened to him,

1464
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 1: they would be raising a lot of stink on the

1465
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: internet because it was not It's not as though it happened.

1466
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: So so that was not that far along ago, no,

1467
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: it so you know that that would lend a little

1468
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: support to the suite. That's all I am saying. I

1469
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: guess I know that was a long way. That was

1470
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: a long way around, okay, but this was the sheep

1471
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: range is a big range. We'd work away all way

1472
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: around it. No, that's okay, not a problem. But but anyway,

1473
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: if he did commence suicide, that's a good way to

1474
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: do it because you know, besides uh, you know, insurance.

1475
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, some people maybe would like to find a

1476
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: way to do it but not leave behind the stigma

1477
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: of committing suicide. So if you'd go off looking at yeah,

1478
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: and and and go off instead and just you know,

1479
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: get lost and disappear, advantage because they know in a

1480
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: way that Kenny Kenny telegraphed in a sense, whether intentionally

1481
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: or not, a telegraphed how his death very likely was

1482
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: going to happen. Uh. If if you believe that he died,

1483
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: I let me rephrased that a little bit. If Kenny

1484
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: wanted to kill himself but convinced people that he died

1485
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: of some sort of natural cause, eaten by a mountain lion,

1486
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: or had an accident because he was you know, or whatever,

1487
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: he telegraphed that whole thing with his video. So if

1488
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: he was planning on killing himself, then the video he

1489
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: might have actually been planning at the same at the

1490
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: time that he made the video. So are you saying

1491
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: that it's basically a rough draft suicide note? Is that

1492
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, or No, not a suicide note

1493
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: at all. It's a it's a red herring. I mean, okay, yeah,

1494
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: you know he's telling us, he's convincing us that had

1495
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: happened this way. I went out there by myself, I

1496
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: was careless, took no water, I wasn't an idiot, and

1497
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: I died. Yeah, that's not what really happened. Soide, Yeah,

1498
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, and I got it. I get it. I

1499
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: get it. If you hadn't that from what you wrote that, Yeah,

1500
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: that's that's what he's saying. Alternately, he was, you know,

1501
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 1: he left to start a new life, same thing, and

1502
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: started all of these other accounts, potentially reported himself missing

1503
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: to sniff people off the case. Yeah, I mean, yeah

1504
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: and so and so that those are the two possibilities there.

1505
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's say, for example, he committed suicide. Now, so

1506
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: how how did he do it? Obviously, if you want

1507
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: to commit suicide, you don't want the body to be

1508
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: found because you don't want people knowing you commit suicide.

1509
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: You committed suicide, and there's going to be evidence, so

1510
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: you gotta where do it? What do you do? Well,

1511
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: what I think he might have done, and this is

1512
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: consistent with the evidence, because they lost his trail at

1513
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: the mine shaft. So what he could have done was

1514
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: parked his jeep at the base at the south end

1515
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: of Joe May Canyon, hiked up to the mine, dropped

1516
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: his phone, and then retraced his path back down to

1517
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 1: his cheap and then at that at that spot where

1518
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: his park that's not just at the mouth of Joe

1519
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: May Canyon, it's also to the east is it's there's

1520
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: what's called Blackgate Canyon. So you could have just walked

1521
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: up black Black Gate Canyon a couple of miles found it, right,

1522
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. Yeah, it's found at the south end

1523
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: of Joe May Canyon. And then his phone was found

1524
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: in Patrier Canyon. No, it's found in Joe at the

1525
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 1: north end, at the north end of Joe May Canyon,

1526
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: which is very close to just south the quarter miles

1527
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: south of wild Horse Passa. So he walks back all

1528
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: the way back down, walks up black A Canyon if

1529
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: you and and kills himself. I don't think they ever

1530
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: looked up there. And I called those guys and left

1531
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: him a message asking them, you know, the comedy back

1532
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: and they never did, so never. You know. The other

1533
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: thing that that this now leads me to ask the question,

1534
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: of course now after the fact that it's too late

1535
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: to look into it, is do we know when the

1536
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: last time his cell phone was used or pinged? Because

1537
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: it could be entirely possible that he, if your theory

1538
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: is right, he went up there the day before that

1539
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: and dropped his phone next to the mine and then

1540
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: walked back and then went home, slept, revitalized, came back

1541
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: and then parked in the spot where his jeep was

1542
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: sound to then have an entire day to walk in

1543
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Yeah, that did occur to me too,

1544
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: But I believe he made a call from that same

1545
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: phone that morning to his girlfriend to leave that message. Yeah. Yeah,

1546
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: And so a lot of it depends on how through

1547
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: the investor stigation was. I mean, if he had gone

1548
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 1: out the previous day, dropped his phone, gone to the

1549
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: store and bought a disposable phone and made the call

1550
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 1: from there or something, Yeah, the disposable you could have

1551
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: done something like that. And if nobody's looking into it

1552
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: too deeply, maybe they wouldn't have figured out that he

1553
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: actually made it from the wrong phone. Yeah, And I

1554
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: mean I would think that you did it all the

1555
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: same day he was. Yeah, yeah, And I would say.

1556
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: The other thing is is like I don't necessarily know

1557
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: how deep that mine is right there? Oh you can

1558
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: see the bottom, Yeah, it's not. And they apparently ran

1559
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: cameras down the mind where his phone was found, and

1560
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: they didn't find Yeah, funny, nobody volunteered to go down

1561
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: there in person, but yeah, they they checked it out

1562
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: pretty thoroughly, and ab certainly I was sitting after a

1563
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: little while, you know, if you keep coming back checking it,

1564
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: and you can just come back and just give it

1565
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: a little sniff, you can probably tell if there's a

1566
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: body down there a certain a little a little certain

1567
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: amount of time, you'll know. Okay, Well they did check,

1568
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 1: they did check the mind shaft. Although I guess if

1569
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: you really, really, you know, Kenny could have taken a

1570
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: shovel and gone down there to the bottom and dug

1571
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: himself out a little a little side passage and emburied

1572
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: himself in there and again or a flood. Yeah, but

1573
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the suicide thing, I think it's a real possibility. I

1574
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: think you have. And there's another way too, from where

1575
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the mine is, and I think I pointed it out

1576
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: to you guys already on the topographic map, if you

1577
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: go to east, there's a gulch that goes about a

1578
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: mile and a half and it goes to a pass

1579
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: because the sheep the Sheep range, there's it's basically a

1580
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: long ridge that goes north to south and there's this one.

1581
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: There's a few passes through it. There's just one pass.

1582
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: It's just due east of the mine shaft. So he

1583
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: could have gone up up the side of the mountain

1584
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: through the pass over to the east side of the

1585
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: Sheep Range, which I'm just about sure they did not

1586
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: search for him because they were again they had they

1587
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: had every reason to believe he was somewhere in Picture

1588
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: Canyon probably that's where they looked. And so he could

1589
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: have gone to the east side of the range, hidden,

1590
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: found a hiding hole, killed himself and that's it. Uh.

1591
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: And so there's a suicide thing, I think. And if

1592
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Kenny did kill himself, I could see the appeal to

1593
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: a guy like Kenny. Frankly, Kenny was a little bit

1594
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: of a ham. I could see the appeal to a

1595
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: guy like Kenny of posting this video is saying yes,

1596
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up. Yeah, because he's looking for the cave.

1597
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: Remember the cave was super creepy, remember that it was.

1598
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: And I could see where from his point of view,

1599
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: he leaves his mystery behind. So of all of his inventions,

1600
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: himself is his greatest invention. All of the other things

1601
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: he invented were squat Yeah. But you know, on the

1602
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: other side, and other people have noted this, he seems

1603
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: kind of like an upbeat, cheerful person noticed not a desponded,

1604
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: suicidal person. But but we've talked about this before that

1605
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: that is not always an indicator of what the internal

1606
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: struggle of somebody is. Yeah, and so it's just so suicide.

1607
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: I think. I think it that some that's had some

1608
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: pretty decent support here. H and as there's one more theor,

1609
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: of course, which is the staged his disappearance and went

1610
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: not to start a new life. I don't believe it. Yeah, well,

1611
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: you know it could have been the same thing. You know,

1612
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, he drops his phone and

1613
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: goes back to the jeep and he pulls a bicycle

1614
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: or a moped out of the back of the jeep

1615
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: and heads off to start his new life. I kind

1616
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: of doubt this. I want to be Kenny is a

1617
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: likable guy. Well, I think this is the thing we

1618
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: run into with all of these stories, is that we

1619
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: really just want to believe that these people whoever disappeared

1620
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: just disappeared on their own volition to go live a

1621
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: much happier life somewhere. Yeah. I mean the thing is

1622
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: is that if he's if he's got all his financial

1623
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: strife in his world at this day and age at

1624
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: that time, I mean we've just with two thou eight

1625
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: is when the financial collapse happens. He's watched so many

1626
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 1: other people go through that, and they've all survived and

1627
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: they're coming out and by this time, don't people who

1628
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: have gone under have come out on the other side

1629
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and they're doing okay. So it's not as if he's

1630
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: looking at I'm gonna lose my how said my world

1631
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: is going to turn to utter guano. It's gonna be

1632
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna suck for a while, but it's gonna be okay.

1633
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: And other people have have gone down that same path. Yeah,

1634
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: And I don't I have no idea what the real

1635
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: estate market was like in Las Vegas, and I'm not sure.

1636
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: It's just as crappy as everywhere else, but not good. Yeah,

1637
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: I mean it was like, I mean, it wasn't as

1638
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: bad as it wasn't like two thousand and eight nine, right,

1639
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: But it's not it's not a booming bubble economy, which

1640
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: I believe is probably when he began his because he

1641
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: had his home for four years. He might have got

1642
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: that thing at the cusp of the bubble. Yeah, I

1643
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: don't know if he. If he did, that's really sad,

1644
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: poor guy. And I know a lot of people did. Yeah,

1645
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: but that's that's what I say. He's like, he's watched

1646
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: all the other people who've fallen before him get back

1647
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: up and survive. So well, if you can hang onto

1648
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 1: the house and the market comes back, you know, it's

1649
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: not like you're gonna be underwater forever. But I no,

1650
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it. I think more most likely

1651
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: he probably did kill himself, um the And I do think,

1652
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: like I was I was saying before, I think he

1653
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: planned the video out. I think he actually planned it

1654
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: as a way to number one, get them to look

1655
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: for his body somewhere where it wasn't number one. Number two,

1656
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: to get people to believe he gone out there and

1657
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 1: perished of a mountain lion attack or a horrible accident

1658
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: or something, so that you know, people wouldn't think, oh,

1659
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: he committed suicide. So I think that's probably it. And

1660
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: one of the things I thought was really kind of

1661
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: interesting is where they found the phone, because he he

1662
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: hikes up there, presumably again we don't know, but he

1663
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: accept there drops the phone and his girlfriend said, by

1664
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: the way that he carried these big cargo pants with

1665
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: you know, the the velcro pockets. Yeah, yeah, those things,

1666
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: and he carried his phone and those things, and she

1667
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,440
Speaker 1: said it seemed really unlikely the phone fell out accidentally.

1668
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sorry. I used to wear those kind

1669
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: of pants all the time, remember fell out that, Steve,

1670
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: you are the exception matter I've had. I've had cargo

1671
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: pants and I don't have I never had my phone

1672
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: fall out of him. What you're gonna say, I was

1673
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: just gonna say something totally different. With the number of

1674
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: submissions that he made too Shark Tank, yeah, he just

1675
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy who was really searching for Internet fame.

1676
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I guess I'm in the wrap

1677
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: up phase of this episode. In my mind, this is

1678
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: a really super great way to get famous online, is

1679
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: to make of it. Used to comment on someone's viral

1680
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: video right to say, you're right, I've seen this too.

1681
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: And then when people are like people that were slamming

1682
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: him and getting more attention, and as soon as everyone

1683
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: was like, no, you haven't, he's like, you know what,

1684
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: screw you, I'm going to prove it. And he goes up,

1685
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: it never comes back. Whoops, you're right, I can't find it.

1686
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,560
Speaker 1: It's so weird, and then goes up and drops his

1687
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: cell phone. Whoops. Conveniently right there, right, I mean to me,

1688
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: he just and that's and it is a happier ending,

1689
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: I guess necessarily than it's a happier ending to say

1690
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: that totally fagrigated this whole thing and he's living some

1691
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: really happy somewhere. I'm not. I'm not willing to just

1692
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: grab onto the happier ending. I think that he didn't

1693
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: engineer his own demise, and in an Internet way, I

1694
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: think he accidentally engineered his own demise with his own

1695
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: ill preparedness an accident. I think that I think that

1696
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: he just was not prepared for what he got into.

1697
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: And when you know, when he hit the fan, Kenny

1698
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: realized that he was not as good at what he

1699
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: thought he was, but by then it was too late

1700
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: to fix the mistakes. Well, I guess here's the other

1701
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: thing I will say is that the number of guys

1702
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 1: on the Internet who claimed to be amazing martial artist,

1703
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: taekwondo samurai dudes, right, videos are not they get knocked

1704
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: over by a pug, right, But so I think there

1705
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: is a little bit of room to say Kenny could

1706
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: have been one of those dudes who goes out there

1707
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, my god, I have no water

1708
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 1: and no food and I'm such a badass. But he's

1709
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 1: got an entire camelback full of food and water, like

1710
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: he's trying to represent himself as this kind of hardcore

1711
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. We don't know that Kennedy wasn't. Don't said that,

1712
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: we don't know I And that's why I really think

1713
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: that even though I think it's possible he did go

1714
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: out and then just you know, have an accident or

1715
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: die of thirst or whatever, it is possible, I think

1716
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: there's an element of planning here because and it went

1717
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: into the video. Like I said, all the time, he's

1718
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 1: talked about stuff like, oh, it's really hairy, it's scary,

1719
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like danger. He does talk about time about this, dude.

1720
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: How many more times can you say, well, he does.

1721
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: But when you look at where the video began and

1722
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: where he left his phone, the exact same place almost yeah, no,

1723
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: not almost where So the video began begins at the mind.

1724
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: The phone is that the mind, and that is where

1725
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: the search for Kenny begins also, So I don't think

1726
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. I think that he left it there

1727
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: deliberately and and he went somewhere else to you know,

1728
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: kill himself for whatever reason. Artist starting life. Yeah, and

1729
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: I choose obviously to believe because it's happier that he

1730
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: went off to start a new life. Well, I hope

1731
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: so too. I agree. I totally an amazing listener of

1732
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: ours and he's listening to this and going, yeah, send

1733
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: us some sort of cryptic email or just send us

1734
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: up an email. Yeah whatever, another mystery result the story

1735
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of Kenny of Beach. You probably want to send us

1736
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: even if you're not canny, we probably won't send us

1737
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: an email. We have an email account, believe it or not,

1738
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. And uh,

1739
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: oh my god. What else? Oh we got a web page. Yeah,

1740
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: web page you know thostenings are cool, right, Yeah, it's

1741
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 1: called Thinking Sideways podcast dot com where you can download

1742
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: our episodes and you can buy merge and there's links

1743
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: to all of our social media and stuff like that too, which,

1744
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: by the way, we are on We are on social media.

1745
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: We've got we're now on Instagram of course, uh, and

1746
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: we've got all those of cool activity going on out there,

1747
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: and we're on Facebook where we have a group and

1748
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: a page. So you can't friend us, but you can't

1749
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: like our page, and you can join the group where

1750
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: there's lots of fun commentary and stuff going on. And

1751
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: let's see what else. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, streaming. Uh,

1752
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: we're out on a lot of streaming services, especially Stitcher,

1753
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 1: who's our favorite right now. We like Stitcher because you know, hey,

1754
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: we just do all right, and we are, of course,

1755
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: speaking of Stitcher. We are on Stitcher now Stitcher Premium,

1756
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: which means that if you sign up and subscribe, then

1757
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,440
Speaker 1: you get the content like four days earlier, without commercials,

1758
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: and also you get bonus contents like an extra episode

1759
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: of month, which is awesome. And uh, okay, go out

1760
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: to you, So go out to stitcher dot com, slash thinking, sideways.

1761
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: If you sign up for twelve months, you get one

1762
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: month free and you use the promo code sideways. Don't

1763
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: forget that. Where else are we Apple? Good? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1764
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: be a subscribe, leave a comment, leave a rating. Uh

1765
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 1: al right, well that said. The only place where we're

1766
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: not is YouTube, but you never know, might be going

1767
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: looking for a cave one of these days. That's it

1768
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: for us until next week. Anybody you've got anything more

1769
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: to say here? No take a hike Stars is the best,

1770
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: all right you guys Bay