Speaker 1: Like little though, dude, little, I bet that's it.
Speaker 2: No, I know that's it because I have perfect pitch.
Speaker 2: But I did the first I mean I'd have done
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 1: We're in the basement.
Speaker 2: I don't even have anywhere to go because of all
Speaker 2: these chords. We're in the basement and hold this mic
Speaker 2: the whole time. There's a chance that kids may come
Speaker 2: in here. You might hear them screaming where cars drive
Speaker 2: by or dogs barking.
Speaker 1: But hey, you're here for the intimacy. Some smithers and
Speaker 1: some snotty noses. Yeah, we were trying to kick that
Speaker 1: for a while. It's a time of a year though. Man,
Speaker 1: it's cold outside. It's the first cold outside. Do you
Speaker 1: hear that? Yeah, you're gonna be able to hear it,
Speaker 1: that's all right, I don't care. Yeah, all right. We've
Speaker 1: had a kind of wacky fall already. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it was really fall. It kind of felt
Speaker 1: like summer. There's one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, that's a fake cry too, though.
Speaker 1: That's not like a hurt cry, nothing like uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like talking now. We were supposed to do
Speaker 2: this this bonus episode, what like two weeks ago, we're
Speaker 2: pretty dialed.
Speaker 1: Dude. Did you say two weeks ago or did you
Speaker 1: just say weeks ago? I said two weeks ago? What
Speaker 1: did you say two weeks ago? Yeah, I said two
Speaker 1: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: We were the dums, dude, But we went to Florida
Speaker 2: and played some shows down there and also had a
Speaker 2: family of vak We also played in Utah, can we
Speaker 2: went to Kansas. Dan't killed the big deer, which we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about.
Speaker 1: That is the point of this podcast. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of people asking about There's been a
Speaker 1: tons of guys online, Den, and it's about the deer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for and it's it's time to set the story straight.
Speaker 1: So that's what Literally, that's what this podcast is, a
Speaker 1: just interrupted coming off the entire time. Yep, like regular
Speaker 1: podcasts we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah because I'm holding up my mic with my phone
Speaker 2: in my hand and.
Speaker 1: Not me, you know, I'm not doing that because I
Speaker 1: got a system, the systematic guy. It's crazy to be
Speaker 1: how small these deer in here looking now that I've
Speaker 1: killed a giant. When you were like the guy you know,
Speaker 1: and had like we come in here and be like
Speaker 1: teasi or huge, and now it's like, man, would I
Speaker 1: shoot that? You know? I mean, it's crazy. Yes, you
Speaker 1: would shoot any of these deer hand up in here,
Speaker 1: But is it? I mean I thought the times were
Speaker 1: like nine or ten inches, But now that I've killed
Speaker 1: one with fourteen and a half inch times are definitely
Speaker 1: tenants that might be eight, you know, they're.
Speaker 2: Definitely Yeah, holler at me when you kill one hundred
Speaker 2: fe five hundred and sixty inch dear Mississippi down.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know if I would now though, that's when.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I won sixty five in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. Man, that's it's the thing
Speaker 2: we're gonna get.
Speaker 1: But also, I know what you're saying, though it's happening.
Speaker 1: I'm interested.
Speaker 2: Also, let's like, is it like the big one, the
Speaker 2: one big deer, or like, are we like adding all
Speaker 2: total Antlernce just killed.
Speaker 1: But it's probably the one big deer. No, I think
Speaker 1: it's probably total. I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's just you've killed one big deer.
Speaker 1: I've killed like twelve big deer. It's just this one
Speaker 1: was really big. All right. Really, let's just let's just start.
Speaker 1: Let's just start so Kansas man land.
Speaker 2: Of the awesome. The just I didn't know one, I
Speaker 2: didn't know how you didn't I didn't. I mean I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew that it was like sleeper giant white tail state, which.
Speaker 1: Is really night. I don't think it was ever sleeper. No,
Speaker 1: it was. It was sleeper. I mean back in the day.
Speaker 2: We're ten years, ten years ago, right, Pike County was
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. Ten years ago.
Speaker 2: It was Pike County, southeast Iowa and in northern Missouri,
Speaker 2: like Illinois, Missouri, Iowa. That was the mecca and it
Speaker 2: still is.
Speaker 1: That's by the way, if you're here from music, there
Speaker 1: will be no music. Just go ahead and hit the.
Speaker 2: Yeah no music today, go back and listen to where
Speaker 2: music out does my mic? Sund Okay, does this good?
Speaker 2: Sounds great?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Was he said? Phones?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I knew it was a big
Speaker 2: and I knew it was a giant deer state, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know how. I didn't know it was like
Speaker 2: a top tier duck state.
Speaker 1: No, I did not.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that you could kill sant hill cranes
Speaker 2: like crazy there. I didn't know the Turkey hunt was
Speaker 2: so good. I didn't know they had elk in the state.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the milder population was at where it's at.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. Well, I'm just saying, I know they
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 1: They have it all. They have it all. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't I'm sorry people from Kansas. Uh, I'm not.
Speaker 1: We don't mean to put your state on blast so
Speaker 1: that everybody moves there, but it is. It's pretty much
Speaker 1: outdoor wor old Mecca over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome, and we've just recently started diving into
Speaker 2: it the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: A few years. Yeah, we were lucky enough to uh
Speaker 1: to uh go on the hunt with our buddy Connor
Speaker 1: from Fire Creek Outdoors Nickel Well the Connor Hicckle Crisis,
Speaker 1: and and he's been so cool to us, and we
Speaker 1: got to obtain a lease up there and obtain some
Speaker 1: ground up there and wearing you're wearing a sweatshirt, right,
Speaker 1: wearing a sweatshirt. And he's been real great about making
Speaker 1: sure that cameras have batteries and food, plastic planet and
Speaker 1: he's he's the man, dude. He's awesome, And none of
Speaker 1: this really would be happening at all. Without him and
Speaker 1: shout out here. Yeah, he's lived there his whole life.
Speaker 2: Stanley runs of farming operations on a bunch of ground
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, dude, if you're hunting anywhere outside
Speaker 1: of three hours from your house, you got to have
Speaker 1: like a local guy, dude, just to kind of you
Speaker 1: don't have to, but it definitely helps speed the process up. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you don't have to, just you know, because you keep
Speaker 1: just jumping a jet and go fourteen hours and change
Speaker 1: batteries in there. No, did you hear those kids crying upstairs?
Speaker 1: There are no time for nothing, no time for nothing.
Speaker 1: So are we supposed to jump on that call at
Speaker 1: nine fifteen today? Is that Friday? What? I don't even
Speaker 1: know what today is? Dude. No, we're podcasting, keep going
Speaker 1: so so uh yeah, So we decide that we're gonna
Speaker 1: the only time, the only window we really have is
Speaker 1: the first weekend of Muzzleloader.
Speaker 2: Which in Kansas that is the first week of season first.
Speaker 1: Week of season two. You drew attack last year, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about that shot a good deer and what
Speaker 1: would look like a definite fatal shot.
Speaker 2: Center punch, center punch them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, center punch and actually that applies into the story eventually.
Speaker 1: So anyways, read shoot that deer here's still alive, got
Speaker 1: pictures of it. So we put in for muzzle letter.
Speaker 1: This is my first tag to draw in Kansas outside
Speaker 1: of turkeys, And so we plan it. We're like, we're
Speaker 1: going the first week, that's what we're doing. That's the
Speaker 1: only time we have. Stuff gets really busy after that
Speaker 1: as far as riots and other hunts and just it's
Speaker 1: pretty busy in the middle of that too. But hey, man,
Speaker 1: kids are insane, dude, I don't know if y'all have them.
Speaker 1: Kids are cool, man, kids are crazy. Love them, love them. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we decide we're going up there. We get up there
Speaker 1: and there are deer on camera that we've been seeing.
Speaker 1: Good deal on camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're good dear on camera. They're still in
Speaker 2: that they're they're trying to get out of that summer
Speaker 2: transition pattern.
Speaker 1: Like we're talking about three weeks ago, right, we're not
Speaker 1: talking about right now, No, no, no, we're talking about three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and they're trying to get out of that pattern.
Speaker 2: But they're still kind of on a pattern. But that
Speaker 2: week it was and the thing is is like we
Speaker 2: with our lives and with our schedules, it's hard to
Speaker 2: look at a calendar and go, okay, man, for these
Speaker 2: five days, it's going to be a north wind, it's
Speaker 2: going to feel it's gonna be down in the sixties.
Speaker 2: We need to go this time because it's best for
Speaker 2: the farms and the stand setups and all that. We
Speaker 2: don't have the privilege of doing that right now because
Speaker 2: of our schedule and how crazy everything is and how
Speaker 2: busy we are. So we had to plan this out
Speaker 2: ways and months in advance and say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: the week we're going. Letting don't book anything in this week.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, but I guess not unfortunately, it was eighty
Speaker 2: like high eighties sometimes in the nineties during.
Speaker 1: That week, during the day it was nineties.
Speaker 2: Sitting in a blind was like sitting like me working
Speaker 2: out in hot works.
Speaker 1: Down here, Like it was literally just sweating like cray
Speaker 1: it was so hot.
Speaker 2: And but there were still moving, I mean were there
Speaker 2: were still kind of they were they were right on
Speaker 2: that like you might. Yeah, they were right on the edge, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I would say the majority of our
Speaker 1: shooters were showing up thirty minutes after dark. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: throughout the night. I mean it wasn't tight, but it
Speaker 1: was all night long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, they were on camera. They were on
Speaker 2: the cameras a big time that week.
Speaker 1: So so we go, we're up there and uh for
Speaker 1: three or four days. It's it's what Read's describing. It's
Speaker 1: so hot. We're really not hunting mornings we would do it.
Speaker 1: Connor does these milo hunts right that he's been telling
Speaker 1: us about forever. And he also runs a full blown
Speaker 1: outfitting operation up there, and so he had clients in
Speaker 1: and we were staying off off campus. I guess you
Speaker 1: would say we were probably fifteen minutes from from his
Speaker 1: lodge and his clients just kind of giving him some
Speaker 1: space and autonomy and thank you. We would occasionally like
Speaker 1: go hang out and need dinner with them or whatever,
Speaker 1: just kind of pop and pop out. So we uh
Speaker 1: as that's going down. There was an afternoon where a
Speaker 1: client of his killed a one eighty John Dear and
Speaker 1: I was leaving the stand and he was going to
Speaker 1: assist one of his guides in helping load the deer
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you know it, but dude,
Speaker 1: big deer right there. Like three hundred pounds or more.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not talking about these ain't no little
Speaker 1: throw them on the back of a four wheler deer. Man,
Speaker 1: they're not. It's different. It's different, man, it's different.
Speaker 2: They're really big, so he says, so so big sometimes
Speaker 2: that you can mistakenly think a deer if you're just
Speaker 2: going by antler size looking at a picture a trail camera. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can look at a deer and think, like you
Speaker 2: compare them to the trail peck pictures you've been seeing
Speaker 2: in the South, and you're like, oh, that deer might
Speaker 2: go one forty false, that deer could be one sixty
Speaker 2: ish because his body, Like the way his body is
Speaker 2: so big, it makes the deer's rack look small, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And bro, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought
Speaker 1: that you and are have hunted long enough to understand
Speaker 1: like the difference. But I'm telling you, man, it ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with how long you've been hunting
Speaker 1: whitetail or what you're seeing. I mean, if you're used
Speaker 1: to a Southern deer and you go out there and
Speaker 1: you're seeing these Midwestern deal it'll fool you. Yeah. Me,
Speaker 1: I was fooled all the way long. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I was looking at trail cameras going one thirty and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, dude, that's way bigger than that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about in comparison size? Racked the
Speaker 1: body and he's like, you're looking at a three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pound deer man, right, that's one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. I mean no, a lot of our deer
Speaker 1: know here aren't even two hundred. I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: maybe one hundred and fifty pounds heavier than the deer
Speaker 1: where some cases for sure and have grown up sin
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's a it's been a bit of a
Speaker 1: learning cover. And actually that night, the same night that
Speaker 1: this that this happened with his client killing this giant,
Speaker 1: I saw a deer that undoubtedly three point fifteen on
Speaker 1: the hoof, wait wise, and he was a ten point
Speaker 1: and I could tell he was mega mature. Oh hunting
Speaker 1: that night? Yeah, never that deer, Yeah, big deer man.
Speaker 1: I mean he looked like a horse standing out there
Speaker 1: and he was a ten point and he just had
Speaker 1: kind of like stubby times and I just couldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: and you and I were hunting with the with the
Speaker 1: idea that if we didn't tag, maybe there's a December
Speaker 1: hunt coming right God pray, which, by the way, how's that?
Speaker 1: How's that look on that? Looking for you?
Speaker 2: You got to figure a couple of things out. But
Speaker 2: I think we're you already booked. They got stuff a book, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's it's stuff I can move, And it's more
Speaker 2: like figuring out kids because Jordan's got a work trip
Speaker 2: doing that thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So but I think we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Okay, cool? Uh, I mean, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it out. Reed's going back, that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. He's going back in December probably hopefully.
Speaker 1: So that night Connor calls and he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: a client of mine killed a one to eighty uh
Speaker 1: and you're going to pass right by me assisting loading
Speaker 1: that deer up if you want to. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I want to see it one eighty in
Speaker 1: the back of the truck. And I guess we can
Speaker 1: explain how they do this. I don't think he'd mind.
Speaker 1: So there there are these giants. If you're from the Midwest,
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, we already know how this works. But
Speaker 1: if you're from the South, we have no concept to
Speaker 1: what this is. So there are these giant When I
Speaker 1: say giant, I'm talking one hundred and fifty acres do
Speaker 1: someone could be six hundred acres. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: mega fields as far as you can see. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: ain't talking about no acre and a half clover plot
Speaker 1: in the backyard. I mean these things are massive. And
Speaker 1: so what they do is they lease this ground and
Speaker 1: they scout the ground, and if they find a deer
Speaker 1: in there, then they'll, you know, kind of like creep
Speaker 1: up try to try to glass the deer with a client,
Speaker 1: and then if they get him, they'll kind of make
Speaker 1: a move in on him, kind of stalk through the milo,
Speaker 1: trying to be as quiet and as slippery as they can.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's it's kind of Connors for guiding Forte.
Speaker 2: A lot of people French already, A lot of people go,
Speaker 2: not a lot of people to hunt this way one
Speaker 2: because it's it's kind of tough and it takes some
Speaker 2: whik so it takes some time and like like like
Speaker 2: boots on the ground work, it also takes terrain to
Speaker 2: go figure it out. And to go find the deer
Speaker 2: in the Milo. So a lot of people like, there
Speaker 2: was a guy from South Dakota or North Dakota.
Speaker 1: Where's Josh from. I don't know. That guy's awesome.
Speaker 2: South or North Dakota. But he drove all the way
Speaker 2: down Josh Miller, Dude, he's got labradors.
Speaker 1: He's awesome it to hunt.
Speaker 2: He drove all the way down like eighteen hour or something,
Speaker 2: fourteen hours something to hunt with Connor and like and
Speaker 2: have this Milo experience because nobody else offers it. And
Speaker 2: it's it's spotting stock man, it's it's put the wind
Speaker 2: in your face and uh. And this Milo out there
Speaker 2: is is kind of the perfect height for when a
Speaker 2: when a buck stands up, you're just gonna see his chin,
Speaker 2: like maybe a little bit of his throat patch hopefully,
Speaker 2: and then up his head up. So when he's standing
Speaker 2: there looking he can't really see anything in the Milo.
Speaker 2: He's kind of looking her right, like looking at the
Speaker 2: the silhouette like behind off the Milo, kind of looking
Speaker 2: at the tops of him. So when he looks away
Speaker 2: or turns, that's when you're moving on deer. And and
Speaker 2: Connor has been doing it for man a really long time,
Speaker 2: and the guys he works with or works with him
Speaker 2: have been doing it for a really long time, and
Speaker 2: and that's how they that's it is such an adrenaline
Speaker 2: rush to try to get within.
Speaker 1: You know, did you ever get tired on me? I mean.
Speaker 2: I got tight enough. Yeah, yeah, I saw some stuff.
Speaker 2: I saw some hunts go down that, but I mean
Speaker 2: Josh's hunt was pretty crazy. Yeah, Josh was Josh. Josh
Speaker 2: got he got to nine yards on his deer, and
Speaker 2: that's what he told me. He was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: if we're going to do this, I want to do
Speaker 2: this and get as close as we possibly can.
Speaker 1: I remember you saying that. He was telling you that
Speaker 1: they were getting in closer and closer, and the guy
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, yeah, they're at twenty yards, were at a
Speaker 2: hundred yard. Yeah, He's like, Noah, let's keep going. So
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, man, forty yards He's like, no,
Speaker 2: twenty yards. He's like, bro, let's get a little bit closer.
Speaker 2: And they got They got to nine yards and shot
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty inch deerh nine yards with most letter.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So it's a cool experience and that's what offered that's
Speaker 2: what Connor offers, and that's how they hunt. And you
Speaker 2: if you ask Connor, i mean, did you're talking about Kansas?
Speaker 2: And if you ask Connor what his favorite time and
Speaker 2: the most big deer they kill in the year, when
Speaker 2: when it is, he's gonna tell you. He's not gonna
Speaker 2: tell you the rut. He's not going to tell you, you know,
Speaker 2: late season feeding. He is going to tell you the
Speaker 2: first week of muzzloader killing him in the millo because
Speaker 2: that's where they're at. But they don't bet. I mean,
Speaker 2: they'll bed in cornfields. But if there's a milo field
Speaker 2: close to that deer, that's where he's going to be.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect setup. I mean, it's so thick and
Speaker 1: you're they're so hidden, and there's food there and there's
Speaker 1: water there.
Speaker 2: And explain to them listening how they can live in
Speaker 2: that and not have to move.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the way he explained it to us
Speaker 1: was like a big buck will make a bed in
Speaker 1: there and he'll just basically eat all day and just
Speaker 1: hang out in that milo and then closer to dark
Speaker 1: because it's so hot, they don't want to move during
Speaker 1: the day. Anyway, there's nothing, there's nothing going on. They're
Speaker 1: not rutting, you know, they're not looking for dose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they can chew. They can chew on those
Speaker 2: leaves and get the water out of them and hydrate.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but there's also a
Speaker 1: lot of like irrigation dishes and stuff running through there
Speaker 1: that's just holding water anyway. So water's a huge deal
Speaker 1: out there as far as like I mean, around here,
Speaker 1: there's creeks and streams and ponds everywhere you look. But
Speaker 1: there it's like kind of a you know, like they
Speaker 1: got to go find it and so and ultimately it
Speaker 1: even brings some of these deer out into foreshadowing. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's that's kind of why the deer liveing the
Speaker 1: milow and how they hunt them. A lot of the
Speaker 1: times the deer won't move all day until what the
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes of daylight, and so what they try
Speaker 1: to do is spot these deer, move in, hang tight.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the deer stands, like you were talking about, twenty
Speaker 1: minutes till daylight, I mean until dark and they get
Speaker 1: up and you can put a shot. So all that
Speaker 1: to say, that's what happened with his client read and
Speaker 1: I had been hunting, we'd been still hunting. Sweating behig,
Speaker 1: I mean sweat and son been hot like hot boxing,
Speaker 1: hot boxing, bro for real. You can't open on a hunt,
Speaker 1: couldn't open on windows because if you did, deer got
Speaker 1: your scent. It was just and it was what south wind.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was hair dryer blowing in your face.
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. Seriously. So I go and
Speaker 1: I meet Connor and his clients at the back of
Speaker 1: this truck and there lays a one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: three inch just I mean, that's a that's a mega
Speaker 1: giant dude. I mean he had triple brow times on
Speaker 1: both sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to that point, to that point in time, I
Speaker 2: guess Duncan's deer was the biggest. That's the biggest deer
Speaker 2: we've ever laid out I've ever seen was du split twos,
Speaker 2: look like a mule deer. Giant Illinois buck, I.
Speaker 1: Mean dream bukah, yeah, lifetime buck. And so we come
Speaker 1: up and I'm talking to this guy and he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it took me four years, you know, drawing this tag
Speaker 1: to get to get something this this big. And he's like, man,
Speaker 1: it's just been a grind, and you know, he was
Speaker 1: so happy about it, and I had I was happy
Speaker 1: for him by far, like body wise, because I don't
Speaker 1: remember Duncan's body on his deer being real sure, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but this deer's body was nuts.
Speaker 2: Looking at it, because it's the first time I've ever
Speaker 2: seen a dear over one forty and it was hands.
Speaker 1: So so I leave that night and I'm going back
Speaker 1: to where our little cabin in the middody these filds,
Speaker 1: and I am in the middle of nowhere. I have
Speaker 1: no idea where I'm going. I literally just have a
Speaker 1: pin dropped and I'm just driving to the pen right
Speaker 1: and on the right side of the road past what
Speaker 1: time is it? Probably nine o'clock. By nine o'clock night,
Speaker 1: pitch black dart in the ditch, running parallel to the truck.
Speaker 1: I see this. I see the deer like and it
Speaker 1: looks like he has a hula hoop over the front
Speaker 1: of his head, top of his head, and there are
Speaker 1: just these massive white times circling that hulu hoop, and
Speaker 1: he is just bounding next to the vehicle. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about like bound bound see you later. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about he literally runs parallel to the truck, or probably
Speaker 1: twenty yards enough time that I could get a really,
Speaker 1: really really good look at this deer. So I pick
Speaker 1: up the phone and call Connor and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I just saw the biggest deer I've ever seen on
Speaker 1: the hoof. He's like what And I said, man, I
Speaker 1: know this sounds crazy, but he is. He literally is
Speaker 1: running parallel to my vehicle and he's huge. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I know, big deer. I've seen this, I've seen big deer.
Speaker 1: This is the biggest thing I've ever seen. I've ever
Speaker 1: seen stone white kind of rack and just just breathtaking.
Speaker 1: And he goes, drop me a pin and I was like,
Speaker 1: okay for what I was kind of just telling him,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was like, drop me a pin,
Speaker 1: and so I did. I dropped a pin. And the
Speaker 1: next morning, did you go out with him? Next morning?
Speaker 2: So he came and yeah, we went my little hunting
Speaker 2: the next morning.
Speaker 1: Huh. And we were at this point He's like, guys, y'all,
Speaker 1: aren't there ain't even no point in hunting in the
Speaker 1: mornings in the box because they're not moving. Just go
Speaker 1: with me. Let's try to go find him. Let's go
Speaker 1: try to find him all the bove.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's back up a little bit. When I
Speaker 2: got Dan got to the little cabin before I did
Speaker 2: that night. And when I got to the cabin, he
Speaker 2: met me at the door coming in and I was
Speaker 2: putting my my stuff off on the porch and he
Speaker 2: opened the door and was and I look on his face.
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, I just saw I just saw the
Speaker 2: biggest deer I've ever seen in my life. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, what do you mean, Like how big
Speaker 2: he was? Like nineties? You said you were like you
Speaker 2: said nineties.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, I had five to seven seconds to analyze
Speaker 1: this day as I was driving beside him, Like it
Speaker 1: was almost.
Speaker 2: Like he was just stared at a one eighty for
Speaker 2: oh yeah, twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean probably longer than that, probably thirty minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I knew when I saw that deer, I
Speaker 1: was like, that's that's a lifetimor. Yeah. Now, I did not,
Speaker 1: even in my wildest imagination, ever make the connection that
Speaker 1: like we could possibly be hunting that deer while we're
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, I just knew I saw it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just excited to see something like that. My goodness.
Speaker 2: So the next morning we going up malow hunt.
Speaker 1: I do not go on mylow hunt because the millow
Speaker 1: is kicking me. Bro. I can't even if I step
Speaker 1: in it. My eyes start itching, my nose starts running.
Speaker 1: It was there's because there's also all that pig weed
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on a couple of allergy pills while
Speaker 2: I was off in it.
Speaker 1: But say we were drying.
Speaker 2: We were hunting Milo close to that area, probably five
Speaker 2: minutes away from that area. Dan saw that deer and
Speaker 2: Connor was like, Hey, let's run by here and just
Speaker 2: I just want to check out where Dan saw that
Speaker 2: deer and just see what it looks like. He's I
Speaker 2: guarantee you there's a Milo field right there close And
Speaker 2: this part of the story is crazy. He's like, that's
Speaker 2: where that that's where that deer is. So we we
Speaker 2: drive over there.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's like he has already analyzed, like
Speaker 1: who owns the property from the pen as.
Speaker 2: Far, I'm sure he's looked at it. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's he's done all that research. So we drive by.
Speaker 1: He's like, yep, he's like, look at this Malo fields.
Speaker 2: He was like the road that dam was driving north
Speaker 2: on where the deer was jumping, there was a bean
Speaker 2: field on the other side of that deer, just a
Speaker 2: gigantic bean field. And then on the opposite side of
Speaker 2: the road, the west side of the road, there was
Speaker 2: a giant milo fields. He was like, bro, he's bedding
Speaker 2: in that, he's coming across. He's eating beans at night,
Speaker 2: and he's just going back. He was like, he's like,
Speaker 2: if we could just find yep, there it is like
Speaker 2: what you're looking for. He's like, see that clump of
Speaker 2: trees in the back. He was like, in that pipe
Speaker 2: sticking out, He's like, that's a that's a water filtration
Speaker 2: thing or whatever. He was like, I guarantee you he's
Speaker 2: watering there. He's bedding close to that, he's walking across
Speaker 2: the road. He's he's like, this is where he's living
Speaker 2: right here. I know it is God, it's nuts. So
Speaker 2: we were just so yeah, so yeah, we're driving real
Speaker 2: slow on the and all the roads out there, if
Speaker 2: you get off, there's one road, you know, one highway
Speaker 2: that's that's paved. Everything else and everything's in a like
Speaker 2: a grid system, so everything square miles. Roads are so
Speaker 2: they're straight square, and they're all like this, that's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like sand, almost dust bowls sand.
Speaker 1: So he's he just.
Speaker 2: Starts driving real slow and roads in his window and
Speaker 2: just starts looking out of the window. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing. He's like, I'm looking for like
Speaker 2: buck track, like a big buck track. And sure enough
Speaker 2: we roll up there and he, I mean he sees
Speaker 2: where that deer is coming out and coming back in,
Speaker 2: and it is crossing the road and it was real
Speaker 2: close to where you saw him running nuts nuts.
Speaker 1: So we had two knights left to hunt that. All right,
Speaker 1: let me just make you're lining it up. So I
Speaker 1: see the deer. This is Wednesday night, roughly Thursday morning, y'all.
Speaker 1: Milo hunt, he finds the tracks, he comes back, drops
Speaker 1: you off. Yeah, he goes back to the property. I'm assuming, yep.
Speaker 2: And when he finds Thursday, middle of the day, it's
Speaker 2: ten o'clockish, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so Friday is
Speaker 2: the last day we got. We're leaving Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, sorry, Stuffy, So he mhm killed the
Speaker 1: kid fall downstairs. So uh, he finds the U. I
Speaker 1: guess Onyx, the owner and where the owner lives. Drives
Speaker 1: to the owner's house and goes up and knocks on
Speaker 1: the door, trying to get permission to hunt this ground.
Speaker 1: And when he does, I guess the owner had like
Speaker 1: a ring camera set up. Yeah. That's steps, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're about to come to the door. Keep talking. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'll be able to pay attention. So
Speaker 1: she knocking on the door, so they uh he and
Speaker 1: nobody comes to the door and he gets like a
Speaker 1: text I think right his phone right, And one of
Speaker 1: his good buddies from high school says.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, hedn't talk to him in a minute.
Speaker 1: Are you on my porch? And he's like, nah, bro,
Speaker 1: one of my guys saw a giant. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get permission on this old lady's property that I looked
Speaker 1: up on the ONYX. And his buddy's like, dude, I
Speaker 1: bought that two years ago.
Speaker 2: Sitting in a dentist chair, He's like, I'll.
Speaker 1: Call you back when I get out of the Dennis
Speaker 1: will work something out. So he gets permission. This is Thursday, right, Well,
Speaker 1: we had been seeing deer, deer we get as the
Speaker 1: week went on. Deer, we're getting closer and closer and
Speaker 1: closer to showing up in daylight on the least property
Speaker 1: that that we were hunting. So we tried. We were like,
Speaker 1: let's just try it one more night. So we go
Speaker 1: and we sit at nothing, sweat like crazy. The next
Speaker 1: morning is our technically last day. Connor was tied up
Speaker 1: with clients, so we didn't hunt that morning. That afternoon,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to go and Connor calls me. He's like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: I think we should give that buck a shot. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, man, I'm not seeing anything anywhere else,
Speaker 1: like why not? So Reid's going south to hunt the
Speaker 1: least property. Can I interject you? Sure? As I'm going south,
Speaker 1: I'm almost there. Let me get the two minutes, I'll
Speaker 1: pass it back, okay, go for So Connor picks me
Speaker 1: up and we drive to the alleged field that he
Speaker 1: thinks the deer is living in, and while we're sitting there,
Speaker 1: there's a I guess I need to explain. So there's
Speaker 1: this giant, mega, giant mile field I don't know how
Speaker 1: many acres, humomous. We pull up to an old rig
Speaker 1: thing yeah, and there's like a platform about eight foot high,
Speaker 1: which is extremely convenient, and so Connor climbs that and
Speaker 1: starts glassing. I'm in the back of the trucks. As
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I'm looking south and I'm like, jeez, dude,
Speaker 1: that is a hell of a storm, like coming exactly
Speaker 1: from where Reid was headed, and it was just screaming
Speaker 1: at us. I mean like midwest twister storm storm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now I'm passing in the same time, so.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking the same thing. I'm driving in that direction
Speaker 2: kind of like parallel to the storm. It's still southwest of.
Speaker 1: Me, parallel to the storm.
Speaker 2: And uh, there's your music for you. And so as
Speaker 2: I'm driving, I'm like, man that I was like that,
Speaker 2: that looks like it.
Speaker 1: Sucks over there.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my GPS and I'm like, dangt all
Speaker 2: that it's taken me four miles south and then I
Speaker 2: like scrolled up to see or scroll down to see
Speaker 2: the next turn.
Speaker 1: Then it says, sorry, just burped.
Speaker 2: It says seven miles, like take a right and take
Speaker 2: seven miles west. And I was like, man, that looks
Speaker 2: exactly where that storm is. So sure enough, dude, I
Speaker 2: drive four miles south, turn right, go west, and bro
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about like, I mean, I'm driving right
Speaker 2: into it, but I've got to because my the lease
Speaker 2: is right down there, and I've got to give the
Speaker 2: stands perfect time. I gotta get the stand So I
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, I gotta I gotta do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the radar and it says it's
Speaker 2: like there is like storm warning, thunder severe thunderstorm warning,
Speaker 2: but there's not like tornado, you know that thing thing.
Speaker 2: But when when I'm driving and like there's wheat fields,
Speaker 2: cornfields on both sides of me, nothing like it. I
Speaker 2: can see the rain, I can see the light in
Speaker 2: front of me, but I like when I'm looking at
Speaker 2: these fields, they're not moving. Wind's not they're not wind blown.
Speaker 2: They're just chilling. And I'm talking about bro, when I
Speaker 2: hit this storm, it was like those corn stalks went
Speaker 2: from standing straight up to when I got in that storm,
Speaker 2: they were almost touching the ground, blowing so hard into me,
Speaker 2: not with me, into me. So I start, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, this wind's going crazy. Literally, there's trees falling
Speaker 2: in the road, there's hell, it's like ray. It was
Speaker 2: top three scariest moments of my life. I was I prayed.
Speaker 2: I stopped in the middle of the road, put the
Speaker 2: car in park and just started praying because I was
Speaker 2: I couldn't control it, obviously, and I was freaking out.
Speaker 2: I called Dan and I was like, hey, Bro, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm in the middle if. I was like,
Speaker 2: if I don't make it out. But I was like, now,
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of this storm that you're that's southwest,
Speaker 2: y'all right now. I was like, and it's headed right
Speaker 2: for you, bro, And it is a bruiser. It's a bruiser,
Speaker 2: and it's coming for you.
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing this thing. I'm seeing this thing come
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, we're finna. It hammered like to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm like, i mean, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: my last night to hunt. But I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: There ain't no hunt in that No, there wasn't no
Speaker 2: hunting in that storm. So luckily it passed pretty quick.
Speaker 1: We get back in the truck and Connor's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: let's drive west of this storm. I got permission on
Speaker 1: the field over here, Let's go check it. So we
Speaker 1: go check three or four more fields kind of in
Speaker 1: this area, and nothing didn't even see a deer, honestly,
Speaker 1: and this is my first like real afternoon like Milow hunt,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of I mean, honestly do Like
Speaker 1: for me, it's like a Southern hunter, like, I don't
Speaker 1: really believe in it. Even though I even though I've
Speaker 1: seen deer get killed that way, it's still hard for
Speaker 1: my brain to accept that this is how these deer
Speaker 1: get killed, because I'm like, giant deer are real smart,
Speaker 1: and I don't I just don't know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm still kind of skeptical, even though the
Speaker 1: proof is in the pudding. I'm still just kind of like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, you know. So we drive around in
Speaker 1: the meantime between time. One of his clients kills a
Speaker 1: deer in the milett close to where we were, So
Speaker 1: he's like, well, let's drive them here and see if
Speaker 1: they need help loading him whatever. Now it's getting to
Speaker 1: be five o'clock probably, and there's only you know, hour
Speaker 1: and a half left or whatever, and so we drive
Speaker 1: over there and as the storm's kind of blowing through
Speaker 1: right and they've killed it here, but it's way out
Speaker 1: in the field and we can't help them really drag
Speaker 1: it anyway. He's like, man, this is Dan's last night.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to try to find one for
Speaker 1: him or whatever. So he's like, Dude, I really think
Speaker 1: we should ease back to that field now that the
Speaker 1: storm is blown through. It might get these deer on
Speaker 1: their feet a little earlier. I was like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: Like whatever you think, dude, whatever you think. So we
Speaker 1: slide back to the same field that we originally start,
Speaker 1: the same huge Milo field that we had started. And
Speaker 1: when we pulled in this time, instead of pulling to
Speaker 1: the left of the old rig, he pulls to the
Speaker 1: right of it, so we're tucked inside. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: my best to describe this. Basically, we're on the edge
Speaker 1: of this giant Milo field. Now to the right, just
Speaker 1: in your brain, to the right is two hundred acres
Speaker 1: of Milo. To your left is probably a one hundred
Speaker 1: acres of flat parking lot dirt. I mean so flat
Speaker 1: it is. It's almost like they just an unplanted field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or they just cut something mega like mega low. It was.
Speaker 1: It was flat. So c he climbed, Connor clins back
Speaker 1: up on his on his perch, and I get in
Speaker 1: the back of the truck and I'm sitting on the
Speaker 1: cab of the truck and I'm glass and he's glass
Speaker 1: and pretty cool. Now that the storm's gone through, it's
Speaker 1: kind of cooled off a little bit, and we're looking
Speaker 1: and not honestly not really expecting a whole lot. And
Speaker 1: I hear like like snapping, and I turned and I
Speaker 1: see Connor. I I can't really think of any other
Speaker 1: way to explain it except by saying he totally losing,
Speaker 1: like there's a giant, Get your gun, Get your He's
Speaker 1: like whisper, screaming, squatting, snapping, trying to slide down this
Speaker 1: ladder as fast and quietly as he possibly can. I
Speaker 1: kick into like Jason Bourne mode and do a backflip
Speaker 1: off the back of the truck into the ground. Opened
Speaker 1: the back door. What did you say, it's a backflip?
Speaker 1: I was like, it was the most efficient way.
Speaker 2: Like the movie back from where it's extended in the
Speaker 2: arms and the legs of total rotation is so athletic.
Speaker 1: And hit the dirt and went to the immediate squat position.
Speaker 1: Guy opened the back door, grabbed my muzzleloader. I didn't
Speaker 1: even have a cap in my mussloader because you know, man,
Speaker 1: you're not like the way this things work, you're not
Speaker 1: really expecting to just go kill mode instantly. Like usually
Speaker 1: you spot the deer, you got some time, you kind
Speaker 1: of adjust blowlah. So I reached into one of my reloads, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're ever doing this, make sure
Speaker 1: you have three or four of those in your pocket.
Speaker 1: I grab a reload because it's the quickest way for
Speaker 1: me to get to a cap. Drop the breach out
Speaker 1: of my CVA, put the cap on, lock that thing in,
Speaker 1: and I slide around. I don't even think. I shut
Speaker 1: the door, the back door. And when I slide around,
Speaker 1: Connor is on his knees motioning me like he's right here,
Speaker 1: he's right here here. So I he has ten yards
Speaker 1: in front of the truck. So I slide up and
Speaker 1: get in position, and he's like, he's right there, he's
Speaker 1: right there. And I'm like, I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: know nothing. I know nothing except he's seen a deer
Speaker 1: that he thinks is a shooter. I don't know how
Speaker 1: big he is. I don't know you're you're going bass
Speaker 1: like solely because I had to move. I did that
Speaker 1: backflip so fast that I didn't even get to I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like turn up saying it did a backfoot off.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to turn in like glass him because
Speaker 1: I knew I had to move, dude, it was to
Speaker 1: go time. So I'm completely relying upon what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I throw the gun up and I'm keyed on the
Speaker 1: edge of the Milo because from the way he's saying
Speaker 1: he's described it in his snappy, screaming whisper voice, is
Speaker 1: that the deer is moving right to left, is going
Speaker 1: to come out of the Milo into this flat area.
Speaker 1: So I look over my scope and when I do,
Speaker 1: I see the Mega G two. That's all I can
Speaker 1: see is like probably the top three quarters of this
Speaker 1: deer G two, and it's bleach.
Speaker 2: White at that point where you like, that's him.
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew immediately.
Speaker 2: I'm just from seeing just six inches of a Fortunes.
Speaker 1: It's more like nine inches. I mean, I saw three
Speaker 1: quarters of the I couldn't see the deer's right, but
Speaker 1: I could see the tip of his ears, his twos
Speaker 1: and threes. But I remember specifically keying in on that
Speaker 1: gtail deer and going, hey, Connor, that's him. That's him.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's him, and he goes. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's coming in the mile. He's gona step out the mile.
Speaker 1: He's gonna step out of the mall. And sorry, we're
Speaker 1: getting updated on that call. There was a call. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to be him. Yeah, but we're good. It's now
Speaker 1: it's tomorrow morning, so we can't do hunting either. I'll
Speaker 1: take it from the tree. Same. So the deer's coming
Speaker 1: right to left. He steps into the flat dirt spot
Speaker 1: and when he did, when he does, I'm crosshairs on him.
Speaker 1: He's sixty yards. This deer is just just been dropped
Speaker 1: from heaven sixty yards in front of our truck. We
Speaker 1: had already been there once. Did not expoot him and
Speaker 1: come across right to left, and now he is. I
Speaker 1: can see this deer's ankles. Bro like, I can see
Speaker 1: the entire profile of the deer. It's I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a big deer. I know that's a big deer.
Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about do we want to do?
Speaker 2: We want to before you get into the do we
Speaker 2: want to talk about the conversation we had earlier that day.
Speaker 1: That's to be the time to do it. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that same day.
Speaker 2: We were talking about that one eighty that that guy
Speaker 2: had killed in that big deer Dan scene.
Speaker 1: Draw it up, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: And we were just the middle of the day up there.
Speaker 2: It's bro it's pointless to be in a stand, especially
Speaker 2: in the rut. We're in the stand all day. But
Speaker 2: at this point it's ninety something degrees. We're sitting up there,
Speaker 2: and we're having a conversation about just like like what
Speaker 2: deer hunting has become for us, and and yes, we
Speaker 2: love to chase big deer, Yes we love to go
Speaker 2: out there and hunt.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: Dan had it at this point, had never killed, had
Speaker 2: never killed. The biggest dede you ever killed is one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine thirty forever.
Speaker 1: But David Duncanoe is won twenty nine and now the
Speaker 1: whole world knows this one.
Speaker 2: And pretty much the conversation was, even though he's like
Speaker 2: and damns like, I've been hunting the Midwest for fifteen years,
Speaker 2: and even though I've never killed a big Midwest deer, like,
Speaker 2: it still doesn't take the joy away from me from
Speaker 2: coming and chasing them, sure, from coming and hunting them.
Speaker 1: Well, I just don't want it. I didn't I still
Speaker 1: don't want it, you know, like to be the guy
Speaker 1: that like, if I don't kill then I haven't, then
Speaker 1: I've wasted quote, I'm disappointed my time, right because man,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're planning on that being what brings
Speaker 1: you joy out of hunting, dude, you're gonna be disappointed.
Speaker 1: You're in the wrong. You're in the wrong thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just I really felt that, you know, especially
Speaker 1: after a long week of like not seeing much, I
Speaker 1: still couldn't wait to get back out there in December. Yeah,
Speaker 1: truth be told. And so I said, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let I'm not gonna let not kill you a
Speaker 1: big deer, especially like and bro, like kudos to you,
Speaker 1: Like you've killed some big deer on these trips. Man,
Speaker 1: it just hadn't hasn't fallen, And it's I honestly haven't
Speaker 1: even had the opportunity to really kill a big deer.
Speaker 1: I've sat weeks and weeks and weeks, and I've never
Speaker 1: had a larger deer, any bigger than one. For there
Speaker 1: was that one time in Illinois when I drew back
Speaker 1: on probably one hundred and fifty inch deer and hit
Speaker 1: that limb, hit that limb, that I didn't see him anyway.
Speaker 1: That's basically the only time I had a fifteen years.
Speaker 2: And then you fell over that lock. We did the
Speaker 2: following lock when we were walking out. Remember I walked
Speaker 2: up in there and you showed me the limb, and
Speaker 2: then you were frustrated and we got in a little argument,
Speaker 2: and you fell over that log. Of the argument, you like,
Speaker 2: your little legs couldn't get over the log and felling
Speaker 2: at the frozen ground.
Speaker 1: That was funny.
Speaker 2: But literally same day that that the mile of things
Speaker 2: going down. That afternoon, we have this conversation about being
Speaker 2: okay with not not killing Big Deer. Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 2: We love the chase. It brings us joy. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be about killing, and it's it's all about,
Speaker 2: you know, doing it with your brother and your best
Speaker 2: friends and your family and your dad.
Speaker 1: There's something just being out there, being in a different
Speaker 1: state or different being in a different place that kind
Speaker 1: of puts this like a little allure on it too.
Speaker 1: It's kind of nice and to me that that feeling
Speaker 1: is almost as I did this killing Big Deer.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not the same way, but it's almost. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel the same.
Speaker 1: You know. And how many times. Remember, like in this
Speaker 1: the last time we did this episode is just me
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: We were talking about could you rather kill a two
Speaker 2: hundred or yeah? So God works my mysterious ways.
Speaker 1: People. So the steps out into the flat dirt, and
Speaker 1: I and on him, crosshairs on his brisket as he
Speaker 1: steps in, and he immediately starts to trot.
Speaker 2: Is he quartering away?
Speaker 1: Is he facing absolutely bide Broadside steps out and then
Speaker 1: starts trotting away, not necessarily away, but just kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, brother, he's probably a six year old deer.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna just hang out in a flat dirt
Speaker 1: field in the daylight. So as soon as he hits
Speaker 1: the dirt, he begins this like not spooked, okay, very calm,
Speaker 1: not running from y'all. But I'm gonna get over there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna hang out. It wasn't a it
Speaker 1: was like a right trot lope across this dirt. I
Speaker 1: say to Connor stop him. And Connor, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: it was Connor's emotions were going nuts because he had
Speaker 1: seen the deer. I was calm, calm, daddy, because I
Speaker 1: hadn't even I didn't even eight eyes on the deer,
Speaker 1: so my adrenaline literally didn't have time to like drop
Speaker 1: and surge. Meanwhile, this cat is losing it. He knows
Speaker 1: how this, so he goes. I said, hey, Connor, stop
Speaker 1: the deer, and he goes, I'm telling you. I was
Speaker 1: next to him, like from me to this mic and
Speaker 1: I went like this. I literally looked at him like, bro,
Speaker 1: I barely heard that. This year's six yours running away
Speaker 1: for us. And he went, I said, stop him Connor
Speaker 1: stopping He went, Man, I mean, dude, it was such
Speaker 1: a moment, like, I mean, I totally understand what was
Speaker 1: going on. Sure, had I been surging, I probably would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing. And he didn't want to
Speaker 1: mess it up. He didn't want to spook the deer.
Speaker 1: Our truck is literally right there. And I went, really,
Speaker 1: and he'll tell you that. He told the story and
Speaker 1: I heard him tell that, so he didn't mind me
Speaker 1: saying it. It's not like I knew what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was just like, we I that got to that's
Speaker 1: my lifetime deer. Yeah, I gotta stop that. Even if
Speaker 1: it's supoosh to me, he starts running, right, I gotta try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when I did, dude, he pulled the e brak
Speaker 1: and just went and like stopped and then turned back.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I may be making this up, but
Speaker 1: I felt when he turned back he might have seen
Speaker 1: the truck. Yeah, And it was just kind of doing
Speaker 1: the what's that thing like, not like oh, there's giant
Speaker 1: truck there, because we were tucked into the milo this time.
Speaker 1: Had we been out in that field, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'd ever moved. I don't even know if he'd
Speaker 1: come out. You had shown me a graph that day
Speaker 1: of a deer, of an outfitter that had a picture
Speaker 1: of a deer, a picture of a deer broadside, and
Speaker 1: he put red pins that were killed shots, green pins
Speaker 1: that shot and couldn't find, shot no, shot and found
Speaker 1: and blew. No.
Speaker 2: There was three different colors pens, red pins, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: say whatever. The color red pins were where harvest pins
Speaker 2: like where they killed the deer. The green pins were
Speaker 2: where the deer was shot but they didn't recover the deer.
Speaker 1: Okay. Blue was where they shot and recovered the deer.
Speaker 1: There was two three colors.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's if you shot and recover the deal.
Speaker 1: That's a kill. That's a kill. Shot. It was it
Speaker 1: was required a second shot. Yeah that was white. That
Speaker 1: was white, all right, right, So the.
Speaker 2: Majority the red red was kill shots.
Speaker 1: We have been brought up shoulder shooting deer, our entire lives,
Speaker 1: our entire lives, shooting in the shoulder. You'll go down
Speaker 1: and shooting the shoulder. And that's all we've ever done.
Speaker 1: And when I looked at that, that was that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that same conversation we were having. And when I
Speaker 1: looked at that, at that thing, the middle of that
Speaker 1: deer had the majority of red pins.
Speaker 2: Man, almost every one of the pins were red in
Speaker 2: the middle of the center mass.
Speaker 1: And look where we had shot deer in the shoulders
Speaker 1: and stuff forever. There were red pins too, but there
Speaker 1: were more greens and blues right like. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: when that deer stopped and turned, that image was in
Speaker 1: my brain. And I'm telling you, I was locked onto
Speaker 1: his front shoulder and I literally made the decision Nope,
Speaker 1: came back. I'm moving to the center mass of this
Speaker 1: deer and putting it right in where all that red
Speaker 1: stuff was. And I had been shooting my musloader for
Speaker 1: weeks before this man just trying to get I mean,
Speaker 1: mega doll and so I did. I pulled the trigger
Speaker 1: the deer. I see the deer take it like I
Speaker 1: thought he kicked, Connor says he did in milk kick.
Speaker 1: I see him take it, turn and go right back
Speaker 1: the way he came. And Connor is going, you drilled him.
Speaker 1: I saw the bullet. He's like, I saw the bullet
Speaker 1: breaking the sound barrier or whatever it does. And in
Speaker 1: you know the he said, I could see the loft
Speaker 1: of the coar and it fall into his ribcage and
Speaker 1: just destroy He's like, you just destroyed that deer. There
Speaker 1: turns he's run through the milo. Connor has four fingers
Speaker 1: out like this, and he's going watch him, watch him
Speaker 1: watching this. Tear's seventy sixty seventy yards in front of
Speaker 1: fifty maybe coming cutting through the milo, and we see
Speaker 1: him just start slowing down, starting slowing down, stop and
Speaker 1: fall and bro I mean, I don't even know how
Speaker 1: to describe that feeling. It was total you for it.
Speaker 1: And Connor kicks into like you know, Connor mode, and
Speaker 1: he's like, reload, reload. Really He's like, damn, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you just you just killed a child. But reload, reload
Speaker 1: relo and so I, uh, quick, looking at your phone,
Speaker 1: does I feel like jumps Texas? So she'll come down
Speaker 1: here she is. So I I put two uh pellets
Speaker 1: and powder pellets, and I put my bullet in and
Speaker 1: most of the time I have to like get it
Speaker 1: in pack pack pack, pack pack, and it's in, and dude,
Speaker 1: my adrenalin was going someunus. I just went watch and
Speaker 1: just slammed it all the way the bridge. Throw another
Speaker 1: cap in. We walked out there deer's land stone called
Speaker 1: dead fifty yards and there's lung blood, just ball, I
Speaker 1: mean it just it just ate him up. I mean
Speaker 1: that most of that fifty cow bullet ate him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a giant and I that's how the story
Speaker 1: went down. And we took him back to camp and
Speaker 1: we celebrated, and.
Speaker 2: I had deer all around me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was time to read that's the infamous picture
Speaker 1: you see from that, Yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 2: And when he when he facetimed me, I had deer
Speaker 2: all over the place and got the face time.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a box. Uh.
Speaker 2: And by the time we hung up that phone on FaceTime,
Speaker 2: there were no deer around me. The box was shaken.
Speaker 1: I was shaking. Man. It was. It's pretty cool. It's
Speaker 1: pretty special. I said to Connor, Dude, I after we
Speaker 1: got him up, we're looking at him and said, man,
Speaker 1: I just killed a one eighty and he went, nah, man,
Speaker 1: he said, I've been doing this a long time. That
Speaker 1: deer is a lot bigger than one eighty. And so
Speaker 1: we took him back to camp and it was nuts
Speaker 1: and they put the tape, just total rough tape to him.
Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, talking about how big that
Speaker 2: deer is. I got to camp late, stared at that
Speaker 2: deer for twenty thirty minutes, put my hands all over him,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to see that one
Speaker 2: eighty three in the cooler. And so they brought the
Speaker 2: one eighty three out and I'd been staring at Dan's deer,
Speaker 2: and listen, if you've ever seen one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: three inch deer, it is a freaking giant.
Speaker 1: Bro. It was the biggest deer I had ever, like
Speaker 1: nearly ever seen.
Speaker 2: And they brought it out of the cooler. And I'm
Speaker 2: not taking anything away from that one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: three in is deer, bro I'm not taking anything away
Speaker 2: from it. But when they brought it out of the cooler.
Speaker 2: I looked at damn, and I said, bro, if that's
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty three inches, which is huge, I
Speaker 2: was like, yours, You've got a chance, man, your yours
Speaker 2: has a chance to break the break the barrier.
Speaker 1: The guy that killed the one eighty three, yeah, was
Speaker 1: saying the entire time. He's like, dude, that your deer
Speaker 1: has at least twenty to thirty inches more than my
Speaker 1: dear does. Yeah. He was saying it. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, man, and you know, man, we don't really
Speaker 1: get mega wrapped up in score like it was. It
Speaker 1: is by far the biggest deer I'll ever killed in
Speaker 1: my life. But you know, there was people out there going, man,
Speaker 1: let's put the tape to it. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's dead now, Like right, do it? You know if
Speaker 1: you want to, I don't care. And Connor, who's really
Speaker 1: good at that stuff and has done that forever, I mean,
Speaker 1: he had him at two ten and seven eighths two
Speaker 1: ten and seven eighths, and I mean essentially I was
Speaker 1: right when I said. I don't mean I was right,
Speaker 1: but I was accurate when I said I'm just killed
Speaker 1: on one eighty because he literally had thirty three inches
Speaker 1: of extras. Yeah, he had it.
Speaker 2: It was like as a it's a one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty inch frame nine point typical nine nine just mass
Speaker 2: twenty seven inch main beams two yeah, and it's one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty frame eighty inch deer frame with thirty
Speaker 2: I mean he had six brow times that were all
Speaker 2: nine inches like seven plus yeah, seven plus yeah. Just
Speaker 2: I mean just a specimen man, just trash going everywhere.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm I can't believe it happened to me.
Speaker 2: Just an incredible dear.
Speaker 1: I think about it every day, multiple, multiple times a day.
Speaker 1: I'm very thankful. I recognize how wild that story is.
Speaker 1: And a couple of replicas come in. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of replaces in the future. Yeah, and so he'll he'll
Speaker 1: be around. I think I'm gonna get the rack back
Speaker 1: maybe Sunday and so for real, for real, and so
Speaker 1: when I do, maybe maybe he'll make an appearance many yeah, man,
Speaker 1: some video. Yeah, thanks for riding with us and listening
Speaker 1: to my story. That's the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
Speaker 2: And uh, that's here's the meeting for you. That's my
Speaker 2: story and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 1: So I'll never kill a deer bigger than that, and
Speaker 1: that's perfectly fine with me. I don't care, dear. The
Speaker 1: pursuit of a big deer kind of changes for me now.
Speaker 1: It won't stop me, obviously, from from hunting where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get him officially scored. Uh. I've already talked to
Speaker 1: a Boone and Crockett guy here. I talked to him yesterday,
Speaker 1: and so we'll have a more accurate but I mean,
Speaker 1: welcome to the club man, the Witch club, the club
Speaker 1: you're not in or the Big Deer Club, the Boon
Speaker 1: and Crodit Club. Oh are you in it? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: One six h Yeah, it's a one seventy, there's it
Speaker 2: one sixty five.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure I think there's different because there's Poping Young, right,
Speaker 1: I always get them mixed up.
Speaker 2: Now, Poping Young's bo I'm definitely in that one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, I get the I get the.
Speaker 2: Come on man, be one sixty five. I think I
Speaker 2: thought I thought it was like because that deer right there,
Speaker 2: that Oklahoma deer is above sixty five, it was like
Speaker 2: sixty might have been on the nose.
Speaker 1: One sixty typical one eighty five non typical, one sixty typical. Yes,
Speaker 1: welcome to the club. Dude. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know he's typical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would consider that deer typical. I mean he's
Speaker 2: very you know, we should you should get him scored.
Speaker 2: He's got When I take mine, you should take you
Speaker 2: that guy. I mean, they're gonna deduct like he's not.
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna they're gonna. But there's two ways you
Speaker 1: can go. The guy told me you can turn him
Speaker 1: in as a typical or you can turn him in
Speaker 1: as non typical, and you essentially just do whichever score
Speaker 1: is bigger.
Speaker 2: Right, he ain't won eighty though non typical, he's one
Speaker 2: sixty typical. Okay, true truth without deductions, without deductions.
Speaker 1: Truthfully does that? What does that deer look like? Now?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like I haven't seen my deer,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying having seen the deer that we saw
Speaker 1: that week because Connor killed a giant and that one
Speaker 1: was a giant, there was a bunch of other really
Speaker 1: big deer that came in that week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, how does your perception change on that?
Speaker 2: I mean, you could fit that rack in yours, Like,
Speaker 2: but I mean.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a huge deer and that's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but like, what do we have him? He's one,
Speaker 2: Like he's like right at sixty five and above. Man,
Speaker 2: it doesn't like it doesn't take anything away from it
Speaker 2: at all, but it does. I mean, it's like you
Speaker 2: just see it differently. And it's weird, man, because.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it with videos online.
Speaker 2: When we talked about this too, like you just can't
Speaker 2: comprehend if you haven't seen up close and touched put
Speaker 2: your hands on a two hundred inch rack up close
Speaker 2: and personal and see him laying beside one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty inch deer or one hundred or bring a one
Speaker 2: eighty out and put it next to him.
Speaker 1: And just see them.
Speaker 2: There's a massive I know it's only twenty inches, but
Speaker 2: there's it's just a different.
Speaker 1: It's just a different levels. It's for some reason now
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's almost uncomprehendable.
Speaker 1: And you can't really tell by the pictures if you
Speaker 1: want to know the truth, like, well, there's nothing to
Speaker 1: compare it. There's no, there's not one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: inches beside it.
Speaker 2: So you have nothing to compare it to, but just
Speaker 2: in like in contrast with you know, I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: that's one hundred and sixty five inch deer that's hanging
Speaker 2: on my wall. You killed a deer that's forty five
Speaker 2: inches bigger than that in mass and length and extra times,
Speaker 2: and it just makes it's I mean, it's just math.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and it's like, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's in math.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying the math there is is there
Speaker 1: like and you can just tell it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: like a it's not like a little significant change like that,
Speaker 1: like a twenty inches forty five inches this, and my
Speaker 1: brain keeps trying to like go giantly to make it smaller.
Speaker 1: My brain keeps going like, man, he overscored that, or man,
Speaker 1: everybody's just trying to be cool to you. You know,
Speaker 1: the songwriter brain kicks in. It's like this didn't really
Speaker 1: hap it's not as big as you thing right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but man, I saw it, taste it it is, and
Speaker 1: I saw the comparison.
Speaker 2: It is an absolute giant.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm real blessed, I'm real thankful. We gotta go,
Speaker 1: But what time is it it's time. Okay, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this forever, but that's the story and I'm sticking
Speaker 1: to the Thanks for sticking with us. You listen. Yes,
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