Speaker 1: Coming up. Keep your positive, sweetie. Sometimes your heart will
Speaker 1: be broken and you don't understand the season that you're in,
Speaker 1: but I want you to dig deep within yourself and
Speaker 1: do it anyway. And so I got up seven days
Speaker 1: after my dad went to be with the Lord, and
Speaker 1: I won my first Grammy. Sitting there, they called my name,
Speaker 1: and I was like, there's no way to just be.
Speaker 2: Your calling my name, you know, And so I got up.
Speaker 1: And the first thing I said, is, seven days ago,
Speaker 1: the greatest man who ever walked the face of this
Speaker 1: earth went to be with Jesus. And I would love
Speaker 1: for you guys to honor my father. And so the
Speaker 1: entire academy stood up and gave my dad a round
Speaker 1: of applause. R.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Christopher Nae Hazel, and this is keep it positive, sweetie,
Speaker 3: a safe space to heal, laugh, grow and love. I
Speaker 3: can't wait to ring today's guest to the couch. Her
Speaker 3: musical ministry has definitely brought me through. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the Goddess of Gospel, Tasha Cobb's Leonard with the voice
Speaker 3: that carries the essence of praise and worship. A musical
Speaker 3: ministry that has blessed millions around the world. Tasha Cobb's
Speaker 3: Leonard is one of gospel's most grounded torch bearers. In
Speaker 3: recent years, she's child with the world, carry her gift
Speaker 3: of song and surrender with her.
Speaker 1: These days she's on in Optururse.
Speaker 3: Stages, managing a ministry with her husband, mother and her children,
Speaker 3: and enjoying the release of her new devotional Do It Anyway.
Speaker 3: And in the midst of all that, guys, we got
Speaker 3: her on the couch to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Tasha, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3: Seriously, nowther heirs of all you came in here, you
Speaker 3: got the caulswife in Gorswain.
Speaker 1: What made you even decide to cut it off? Who
Speaker 1: talked about the big child?
Speaker 3: That's such a It can be a spirituals regular you
Speaker 3: chop your hair off or emotional.
Speaker 1: Yes, what made you chop your hair off? I love it,
Speaker 1: and I love that you mentioned that, because I don't
Speaker 1: think my expectation was for it to be so spiritual.
Speaker 1: Originally I was like, hey, I'm gonna cut it because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. I don't do weeks,
Speaker 1: so I had so ends all the years, and so
Speaker 1: it was just pulling, pulling, pulling damage in my hair.
Speaker 1: And then when I don't have the soul ends you're
Speaker 1: doing braids, it's the same thing. It's kind of I know,
Speaker 1: we call it protective styles, but it's not so protective.
Speaker 2: You're right, you know.
Speaker 1: So it was just kind of pulling my hair and
Speaker 1: I noticed that it was just damage. So I told
Speaker 1: my stylars, I said, after this, so I did the
Speaker 1: big curls for a.
Speaker 3: Woman involved Oh beautiful, Oh my god, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: After this, I'm gonna chop it. And she was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go for it, because I wanted it
Speaker 1: to be healthy. So that was really the original thought
Speaker 1: behind it. But after cutting it, I was just telling
Speaker 1: some of my friends, like, I feel exposed, but it's
Speaker 1: in a great way, like you see me, yes, like
Speaker 1: almost like I been hiding. I was talking to Priscilla
Speaker 1: Shired call me and she was like, girl, your hair
Speaker 1: is amazing, and I was like, you know, just pray
Speaker 1: for him in this place where I feel like something
Speaker 1: is being revealed. And it may not be for everybody,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, all the years of
Speaker 1: hiding behind the hair, hiding behind this, and that now
Speaker 1: I'm in this space where Hey, this is me taking
Speaker 1: a leaving. So that's it. It's been a really good
Speaker 1: spiritual journey. Yes, I love my husband, lady, So that's
Speaker 1: all the patterns. So that's all the letters.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: But I love how I can see your beautiful face.
Speaker 3: And I asked, I was like having a complimence. Tell
Speaker 3: you got any ladder because all the times we don't
Speaker 3: realize how we hide. We do not intentionally, but we
Speaker 3: hide behind our hair and we don't realize when we
Speaker 3: reveal all that, it's like, Wow, people really can see
Speaker 3: your true beauty and I can see me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's powerful. That's powerful. I love it.
Speaker 2: And you have parties that you like to use, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I've tried a few and I like that. It's different
Speaker 1: things for different people. Yes, and so for me it's
Speaker 1: been right now the Soft Curls by missus Jesse East shoutouts,
Speaker 1: but it's been working really good. I love it. That's
Speaker 1: pop a bit. I know that's right. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it now.
Speaker 3: You recently just dropped a new devotional called do It Anyway,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that is a testament of just.
Speaker 1: Who you are.
Speaker 3: There's things that you've done the Christian of guys whoever
Speaker 3: may look a like, but you do it anyway and
Speaker 3: it works, you know, will actually inspire your devotional.
Speaker 1: So the devotional is actually the second portion, i'll say,
Speaker 1: of off of the main books. Of the main book,
Speaker 1: it's called doing Anyway. And the story behind that is
Speaker 1: when I released my album Grace. So that's the album
Speaker 1: has break every chain, confidence, happy, you know, smile. All
Speaker 1: those songs are on there. That album was nominated for
Speaker 1: UH seven awards that year, so it was Stellar Awards,
Speaker 1: double Awards and two Grammys.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And literally a Freshman Artist is my first album with
Speaker 1: a label. And my dad was a down home I'm
Speaker 1: from Jessin, Georgia, so country pastor, and he didn't leave
Speaker 1: our church for anything. So literally we would do vacations
Speaker 1: from Sunday evening to Saturday morning because we're back on Sundays, right,
Speaker 1: and so all of the award shows literally are on weekends,
Speaker 1: so Saturday Sundays, and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, Daddy's
Speaker 1: not leaving Jessin. But they weren't that kind of parent.
Speaker 1: They were very, very supportive. So my dad was like, hey,
Speaker 1: Daddy's gonna be with you in Nashville. I'm coming to Nashville,
Speaker 1: but that he's not gonna be in LA. But I
Speaker 1: want you to go anywhere. He just kept saying that
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be in LA. I want you to
Speaker 1: go anyway. And I was like, nobody expects you to
Speaker 1: go to Nashville, La nowhere. You're not leaving Jessin. So
Speaker 1: I'm just excited that you're coming anywhere. And so the
Speaker 1: Stellar Awards happened in Nashville, and I had sixty seconds
Speaker 1: to sing break every change, So sixty sixty sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: It felt like two minutes, but it was sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna give it all. I
Speaker 1: got here, I need sixty seconds. And to look out
Speaker 1: and see my parents in the audience because they had
Speaker 1: like the stage in the middle of the space, and
Speaker 1: so I could see everybody's faces. My dad, He's beaming
Speaker 1: with pride. And so that night I won three Stellar
Speaker 1: Awards and we were hanging out in my Mentors Hotel room,
Speaker 1: just hanging out, celebrating what happened that night. William Murphy
Speaker 1: and he was like, call dad and see if they
Speaker 1: want to come hang out. This is about two or
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. So I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: we got Daddy to Nashville wherever they get church. He's
Speaker 1: not coming to your room at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: So I text him, was like, Dad, hey, we was
Speaker 1: just hanging out a little bit. He immediately responded it
Speaker 1: was like me and your mine were on the way,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you're okay here, you know.
Speaker 2: So they came and my dad.
Speaker 1: Was two things. He was a man of very few words,
Speaker 1: but if he spoke, it was either profound or he
Speaker 1: was gonna have you in the floor screaming, laughing. And
Speaker 1: so that night he pulled out his greatest comedy show.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has the floor just crime laughing. And
Speaker 1: I remember they were leaving at about four o'clock that morning.
Speaker 1: He was getting on the on the elevator and I said, hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: he had three awards in his hand because I told
Speaker 1: him I would give him those awards.
Speaker 2: That's a long story, we'll have.
Speaker 1: To revisit it. Because I did an independent project and
Speaker 1: I talked him into being the executive producer. And he
Speaker 1: was like, oh till he figured out what it was.
Speaker 1: He was like, wait a minute, I had to pay
Speaker 1: for all of this. So he would all the way
Speaker 1: to day, We'm daddy gonna get his money back. We're
Speaker 1: the executive, the producer, get paid. You always say that,
Speaker 1: And so I told him and said, this is what
Speaker 1: I'll do. If I win any awards, you can have
Speaker 1: them all. And so he took that thing to her.
Speaker 1: So I'm so red. Yeah, he built a carryo for
Speaker 1: all of the awards that he felt like I would win.
Speaker 1: And so that night he was getting on the elevator,
Speaker 1: he had the awards in his hands. I was like, day,
Speaker 1: take out one. I want to take a picture, And
Speaker 1: so he took out one of my Stellar Awards. I
Speaker 1: snapped a photo, and that would be the last time
Speaker 1: I saw my dad on the earth. Yes. The next
Speaker 1: morning they got in the car, he had a heart
Speaker 1: attack in the car and went to be with Jesus.
Speaker 1: And so of course it was devastating. You know, this
Speaker 1: is unexpected. And I could always hear his voice ringing
Speaker 1: in my ear. So the Grammys would be seven later
Speaker 1: and I can't hear him saying, Dad, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be with you in LA but I want you to
Speaker 1: go anyway. I want you to go anyway. And so
Speaker 1: now I realized that he was leaving with me the
Speaker 1: last lesson that he would lead, that sometimes your heart
Speaker 1: will be broken and you don't understand the season that
Speaker 1: you're in, but I want you to dig deep within
Speaker 1: yourself and do it anyway. And so I got up
Speaker 1: seven days after my dad went to be with the Lord,
Speaker 1: and I won my first Grammy. Sitting there, they called
Speaker 1: my name, and I was like, there's no way to
Speaker 1: just be just all in my name, you know. So
Speaker 1: I got up and the first thing I said, is
Speaker 1: seven days ago, the greatest man who ever walked the
Speaker 1: face of this earth went to be with Jesus. And
Speaker 1: I would love for you guys to honor my father.
Speaker 1: And so the entire academy stood up and gave my
Speaker 1: dad a round of applause. So that lesson, I felt like,
Speaker 1: I need to give this to as many people as
Speaker 1: I can. So if I got to do it in
Speaker 1: a form of a book or a devotional or a song,
Speaker 1: I want people to know that whatever you need, it
Speaker 1: is within you. You just got to dig deep and
Speaker 1: do that thing anyway.
Speaker 2: Ooh you my eyes work.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, for sure, that's an incredible story.
Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: able to get up seven days later after Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everything about it is so foggy right now. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're smothered in grief at that time. It was unexpected,
Speaker 1: but I knew one thing that Daddy wanted me to
Speaker 1: be there he did. Yes, Oh that is beautiful.
Speaker 3: You are all over the place, You're doing music, you're touring,
Speaker 3: you just started your own church. That's so incredible. The purpose,
Speaker 3: the purpose, play heaviest place. Oh my goodness, what started
Speaker 3: and what inspire that? Because I know a lot of
Speaker 3: my Christian friends say that they have such a hard
Speaker 3: time finding a safe church home. I have friends who
Speaker 3: live in LA that are like ministers and people that
Speaker 3: really are seeking that, like we just cannot find a place.
Speaker 1: So what made you say?
Speaker 3: I want because I know you to do leave praise
Speaker 3: and works with the from places and you actually I
Speaker 3: used to go to Free Chapel.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And what's the church here? Man? I just drew a
Speaker 1: blank Leui giglio passion Passion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that live album that you did that.
Speaker 3: But so you've gone to all these different churches. What
Speaker 3: made you say, honey, we need to start our own church.
Speaker 1: Where was that? I didn't that, So my dad was
Speaker 1: I've been walking with pastors my entire life. My dad
Speaker 1: was a pastor. My husband tricked me. I tell everybody
Speaker 1: my husband tricked me because while we were dating, I
Speaker 1: asked him, are you a pastor? And he said adamantly no.
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, I don't want nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that man.
Speaker 1: And so we're about two years into our marriage and
Speaker 1: here he comes sitting up in the middle of night crying,
Speaker 1: I feel the calling.
Speaker 2: Guy that you told me we gotta stick at the
Speaker 2: I don't world right now, but oh yeah, he had.
Speaker 1: He had this calling, and I think it was obvious,
Speaker 1: you know, the entire time, because of both of us
Speaker 1: just have a heart for kingdom, ministry and for people
Speaker 1: to fulfill purpose in the earth. So and it's what
Speaker 1: we've done, even with our team members, we push people.
Speaker 1: I don't want you here working for me forever. I
Speaker 1: want you to do what God calls you to do,
Speaker 1: because is to start a business, whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: want this to be a ground where it's like you're
Speaker 1: educating yourself, getting what you need so you can do
Speaker 1: what God has called you to do. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's just always been in the both of us
Speaker 1: because he's the same way. So my husband's actually the
Speaker 1: senior pastor and I'm just, you know, I'm just there.
Speaker 2: The co pastor.
Speaker 1: But we were about two or three years into our
Speaker 1: marriage and he was like, you know, God has called
Speaker 1: me Tasha, and I and I know that you also
Speaker 1: have that calling on using First of all, you need
Speaker 1: to stop being rebel. But I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: what does God neat with another church? So we have
Speaker 1: to be very very sure about the vision because it's
Speaker 1: just not a place where I want us to come
Speaker 1: sing some pretty songs. People have, you know, experience to
Speaker 1: give you cheers and all that kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: you leave and you're not changed or transformed, you know.
Speaker 1: And so that was we went to work just praying,
Speaker 1: and at the time, we were actually serving as worship
Speaker 1: pastors at a church in Greenville, Relentis Church with John
Speaker 1: and Abbas, and during that time we had conversations even
Speaker 1: with them like, hey, we feel this calling on our lives,
Speaker 1: but where we're serving at right now, we feel like
Speaker 1: it's a great place for us to get training together
Speaker 1: because both of us had done ministry a separate but
Speaker 1: were never together in our marriage, and so that gave
Speaker 1: us an opportunity to work together, plan together, grow together.
Speaker 1: And so we were there for two years and then
Speaker 1: after that, you know, we just felt like, hey, it's time.
Speaker 1: And this is the interesting part where God always thows
Speaker 1: these recumations.
Speaker 2: Why of it, He's like, what, He's a little.
Speaker 1: Twe And so we were planning to do like this
Speaker 1: pop up, like, Okay, we're gonna do a pop up
Speaker 1: in Spartanburg, South Calidt Line. We had never even really
Speaker 1: been to the city. We just knew it was forty
Speaker 1: five minutes outside of Greenville, and it's just where my
Speaker 1: husband's heart was like, hey, it's the city is Spartanburg.
Speaker 1: I feel like we were called to And so we
Speaker 1: were gonna do like this pop up service of people
Speaker 1: show up. And I mean as soon as we were
Speaker 1: about to do it, the pandemic hit. No, and we
Speaker 1: were gonna do it in June. A pandemic hit in March, right,
Speaker 1: and we were sitting at the house like everybody thought
Speaker 1: of the tower, it was gonna be two weeks. So
Speaker 1: it's like the two weeks gonna be going everybody. We
Speaker 1: railed and it wasn't so a month. About three weeks later,
Speaker 1: I was downstairs, my husband was upstairs. Both of us
Speaker 1: came together and was like, Hey, I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to do Bible studies right now. I feel like
Speaker 1: God is saying it.
Speaker 2: He was like, God told me that too. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: So when two church kids and were a plan, we
Speaker 1: know how to do this. You build these start a
Speaker 1: Bible study and pop ups. You know, we had a plan.
Speaker 1: But God was like, no, we want you to do
Speaker 1: this in the pandemic. So how do you start church
Speaker 1: in a pandemic. When we started in April, it was
Speaker 1: a month after the pandemic started. So for two years
Speaker 1: our church was virtual. We had never experienced in person
Speaker 1: church whatsoever. So even now to this day, like the
Speaker 1: mother of our church, she lives in Chicago, we have
Speaker 1: people that drive in from Atlanta, driving from Savannah because
Speaker 1: they connected to us in the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 1: And right now they love their church so much that
Speaker 1: they're willing to get in their cars to get on
Speaker 1: planes to fly in. So I think that that's what
Speaker 1: makes our church so interesting that in the middle of
Speaker 1: this moment that feels like chaos. God brought this group
Speaker 1: of people together and he's like, we're gonna build a
Speaker 1: community of people who will restore hope to the community.
Speaker 1: So that's a vision.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I just did a podcast would be
Speaker 3: Simone and every I don't know, I guess since I
Speaker 3: started dressing more lady like.
Speaker 1: It was like even every time I go to church
Speaker 1: and like, because I will wear like first lady, I would.
Speaker 2: Literally I'm like first lady. I'm like, I am not
Speaker 2: gonna be the first lady. And they're like, don't ever
Speaker 2: say that. I don't.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, like you just turned to dressing so
Speaker 3: lady like that a this so and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I just got older, and I was like,
Speaker 3: let me switch it up because like, but I'm still
Speaker 3: a tomboy at heart. Yeah, yeah, I read like that's
Speaker 3: what I love myself. Yeah, ities, I'm like, pull over
Speaker 3: hoodie any day, even if it's ninety degrees outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love hoodie. Like I just love hoodies.
Speaker 3: But she staid that, and I was like, I was like, Noah,
Speaker 3: you said, you're asking that question, Like wait, I wentify
Speaker 3: because that's.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful experience. So just to watch people grow week.
Speaker 1: There are some that started started with us four years ago,
Speaker 1: and now I look at them and where they are
Speaker 1: and how they've grown as a person. It's just like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is it. To see the transformation is what keeps
Speaker 1: us going. Like if we were there and we show
Speaker 1: up and everybody steal a bunch of crazos, I mean like,
Speaker 1: now we ain't calling this because I ain't growing up.
Speaker 1: But to see every week that different people are just
Speaker 1: growing and fulfilling purpose, that's what keeps us going.
Speaker 3: I love it when your husband told you, I feel
Speaker 3: like God has called me to do this. Was there
Speaker 3: any moment where you felt like, Okay, I need to
Speaker 3: submit to this because we talk about submission when it
Speaker 3: comes to marriages. But even though you were having a
Speaker 3: little hesitance and reluctancy, was there any anyone we're like,
Speaker 3: you know what, Okay, God, let me just submit to this.
Speaker 3: If this is where his vision is, how does how
Speaker 3: do you navigate submission in your marriage?
Speaker 1: I trust the God and my husband like if he
Speaker 1: says God says something, no matter how I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm submitted to it wholeheartedly. There's there's not There's not
Speaker 1: been a time where I've said, Okay, God, I trust
Speaker 1: what you've said to him that it's let me down,
Speaker 1: you know. And I know he's human and he's flawed
Speaker 1: and all of that, but I believe that he's assigned
Speaker 1: to lead our family. So when I said yes to him,
Speaker 1: I said yes to everything that God instructs him for us.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's my dude. They even if he's
Speaker 1: going down, I'm gonna let you. But yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt like, if you know, God said that's this
Speaker 1: to him, that he's not gonna remember one. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna say God said something, he didn't say that kind
Speaker 1: of you'd be like, I feel like, well, I think,
Speaker 1: but when he says, God says, you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So you all have a blended family.
Speaker 3: You recently adopted, and you've been very open about your
Speaker 3: fertility journey.
Speaker 1: I recently went to my gnocagists and.
Speaker 3: Got it all my labs done blood work testing and everything,
Speaker 3: and she said, you know, it's too late to freeze
Speaker 3: your eggs.
Speaker 1: And it was like a gut punch. Wow.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I had this friend and I
Speaker 3: used to get so frustrated with her because every time
Speaker 3: we would talk, it would.
Speaker 1: Come up, fres your eggs? Did you freeze your eggs yet?
Speaker 3: I'm like, get out of my unis, leave me alone,
Speaker 3: you know. And I've been so my career took off
Speaker 3: very late in life, so the time that I should
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 1: A full career. Thank you. You're such an inspiration. Thank
Speaker 1: you son.
Speaker 3: I want to be that for people because a lot
Speaker 3: of times we feel like it's too late to get
Speaker 3: started or to get going. I hope that I'm a
Speaker 3: source of inspiration for people who are still searching even.
Speaker 2: Later on their life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never too late. That's how I feel. But
Speaker 1: in this moment when she told me that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And she said yeah. She's like, I
Speaker 1: don't even want you to go through IVF because.
Speaker 3: If they go in, they pull the eggs that you
Speaker 3: do have, say only two of them are like good,
Speaker 3: and what if you lose them? And then she's like
Speaker 3: you'd be more She said, you have your probability to
Speaker 3: have a child. It's better to do it naturally than
Speaker 3: to go through all that. And I would like to
Speaker 3: know because a lot of people leave out they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I froze my eggs, but they leave out all the
Speaker 3: where and tear and how emotional that journey was. Can
Speaker 3: you talk to about it about that a little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and I don't really I don't want
Speaker 1: to over spiritualize everything, but I think everybody's journey is different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's for me. So our
Speaker 1: experience is that we went through IVF and we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit before and it's something we actually ended
Speaker 1: up with three embry one that was implant and we
Speaker 1: ended up losing that baby, and that was literally one
Speaker 1: of the hardest things I've ever gone through, and for me,
Speaker 1: just super transparent. You know, we can sing about the
Speaker 1: God of peace, the God of joy, the God of life,
Speaker 1: we can preach.
Speaker 2: About it, but when you have to walk that thing
Speaker 2: out and live it out.
Speaker 1: That's when it's the true test of your faith. And
Speaker 1: for me, I needed that season to show me that
Speaker 1: there were areas that have been lying dormant of a
Speaker 1: lack of faith inside of me. Because I immediately started
Speaker 1: questioning God, like, do I believe what I've been singing
Speaker 1: about do I believe what I've been preaching about because
Speaker 1: you've been come through or what you saying, you know.
Speaker 1: And he had to remind me that Tasha, you hurt
Speaker 1: my wheel, but you didn't stick around to hear my way.
Speaker 1: You did it your way, brother run. And so he
Speaker 1: started just showing me through tomlines that hey, I showed you, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a beautiful baby boy.
Speaker 2: He gonna look just like you, just like you.
Speaker 1: But I never went saying that it would be the
Speaker 1: traditional way, went about trying to feel god fulfill God's
Speaker 1: will your way, and that never works, you know, And
Speaker 1: so we had to go back now and say, well,
Speaker 1: what is your way? Where is your way? We know
Speaker 1: your will and that excites us, you know.
Speaker 2: Something that will excite you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a magic, gonna be a millionaire. But
Speaker 1: the process of it is the part that's grueling.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And so then.
Speaker 2: Shine there we shine, you know.
Speaker 1: And I believe that so many of us we hear
Speaker 1: you could hear the prophecy, even when we're younger people
Speaker 1: speaking over your life. I remember my mind would say,
Speaker 1: I see your name and rights. You know, we love
Speaker 1: that they all about that we lost sas to get
Speaker 1: today his way. His way is we don't know it
Speaker 1: always comfortable and sometimes it's foggy you can't see it,
Speaker 1: and so for us God's way. I remember my husband
Speaker 1: came to me and probably about five or six months
Speaker 1: after we lost the baby and I had gone through
Speaker 1: just oh, it was very childing. Was a dark space
Speaker 1: for me and I literally had to record an album
Speaker 1: in the middle of that. So I remember going to
Speaker 1: Nashville three days after we found out we lost the baby,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not going to know rehearsals.
Speaker 1: If this is gonna be, if you want me to
Speaker 1: do this, you're gonna make this happen, so you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, we can get sometimes like.
Speaker 2: You died, you know what they know I'm on said,
Speaker 2: so you do your wheel your way.
Speaker 1: I went and I was like, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: to rehearsal. I'm not gonna do anything. But I ended
Speaker 1: up going to one of the rehearsals and they were
Speaker 1: doing a song that's on that album and says you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the glory out of this. It was a
Speaker 1: song that I wrote before ever really getting into this
Speaker 1: losing the baby. It was during the IVF. I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the glory out of this, and they
Speaker 1: started singing that song and literally everything I was feeling,
Speaker 1: the walls came down, It started to break, and my
Speaker 1: team didn't know what we were going through, but they
Speaker 1: felt us, so they immediately just started praying for my
Speaker 1: husband and I and I remember after going through that recording,
Speaker 1: you go back Now, the name of the album is Royalty,
Speaker 1: So going into it, I'm thinking, I'm singing about We're
Speaker 1: the Royal priestthood, I'm all excited. Downs on the photo shooting,
Speaker 1: God was writing, no, no, no, I'm gonna show you
Speaker 1: what Royalty really is and what it really means to
Speaker 1: be to be my child. And so through that season
Speaker 1: I had to to really live out. There's a song
Speaker 1: on that album called you Never Gave Up, Like it
Speaker 1: felt like the walls were closing it. Yeah, I'm writing
Speaker 1: all of these songs before that season, not knowing that
Speaker 1: these songs were gonna usher me through that season. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm writing for everybody, anybody going through depression,
Speaker 1: anybody going through anxiety. But it was really really for me,
Speaker 1: and so when we got back home, my husband was like,
Speaker 1: maybe what do you think about adoption? And I didn't
Speaker 1: hear just my husband. I heard him speaking to me,
Speaker 1: this is Guy's way, you know, and so we went
Speaker 1: through that process and it was miraculous. So my answer
Speaker 1: would be everybody's journey is different, and you can I
Speaker 1: can sit here and say do it my way, or
Speaker 1: you know, your friends can say do it their way.
Speaker 1: But ultimately I would say do it God's way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you are knowing it's his way because it feels right,
Speaker 1: you know, like, man, this is me, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's funny you say that because when you say
Speaker 3: that your your test was your faith was truly tested.
Speaker 3: I find myself now be in a position when she
Speaker 3: told me it's too late for all that. Now it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you really got to activate this faith that you in
Speaker 3: a different position because I've had faith in my career.
Speaker 3: I've had faith in how to for God to leave
Speaker 3: relationships and to guid you through life. But this is
Speaker 3: something totally different.
Speaker 1: You know, and have faith for the things you can't see, Yes,
Speaker 1: Like I can see that this relationship ain't right, so
Speaker 1: I can see let me go and get out of
Speaker 1: his you know, I can see where my career is
Speaker 1: going and I can't see where it is. Maybe yes,
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I find myself sitting in just quiet spaces,
Speaker 3: praying and talk and to God to like just lead
Speaker 3: me through this.
Speaker 1: Don't let it like take because sometimes it can overtake
Speaker 1: your mind.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: For like when I turned thirty five, everything was just
Speaker 3: like going, I'm trying to lightning speed carell. I'm just
Speaker 3: like and then you get to like forty and like, wait,
Speaker 3: I'm here already, and then it's like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: too late, and you're like, wait what But I know
Speaker 3: the God I said, it's never So I did La
Speaker 3: Terrs Whitfield's podcast Differature Wifey And you'd ask about that,
Speaker 3: and I'll say.
Speaker 2: I feel every day love him.
Speaker 1: I say, you know, bro, I feel like.
Speaker 3: I'm in a space now where if it's meant to be,
Speaker 3: God allowed to happen the way he wants it to happen,
Speaker 3: in his.
Speaker 2: Will, not my way. Is I know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd be like, all right, Lord, we're gonna
Speaker 3: figure this thing out. But definitely faith is super activated
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. So I sure, yes, I got
Speaker 1: to talk about my us when he was like all
Speaker 1: of them, you know what? So we mentioned the blended family. Yes,
Speaker 1: And for me, it was such a growing up experience
Speaker 1: because you're thinking, I'm gonna go in and this is
Speaker 1: the role I play, this is the parent that I am.
Speaker 1: I'm a disciplinary this is what I bring to the table,
Speaker 1: and it was so much different. My children have taught
Speaker 1: me so much about life, so much about myself. I've
Speaker 1: had to grow up to become the mother or stepmom
Speaker 1: that they need, you know what I'm saying, just to
Speaker 1: fill in those gaps and to be able to do
Speaker 1: it with their mom and with my husband, you know.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't always that way. You have to grow
Speaker 1: into that. I will never forget our two youngest before Asher,
Speaker 1: their mom called me one day and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was just watching this podcast with Jada
Speaker 1: Pinkett Smith and Will Smith's oldest son's mom and she
Speaker 1: was like she said something that literally just shook me
Speaker 1: to the core that I love you the way that
Speaker 1: I love you because I saw the way that you
Speaker 1: love my children. And she told me, she said, Tasha,
Speaker 1: I can't help but love you when I see the
Speaker 1: way that you love my babies. And from that moment,
Speaker 1: all of the anything that was a source of tension.
Speaker 1: We go into it looking like, hey, this is about
Speaker 1: these kids. Yeah, and so we put ourselves to the
Speaker 1: side and it has just been such a beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: I love it. So my oldest is twenty one, twenty two, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty two now she is she just graduated fair Estate okay,
Speaker 1: and Charlotte she got a job and everything.
Speaker 2: Look at God right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So our middle son he is at North Carolina A
Speaker 1: and T. So he's a freshman there now. And we
Speaker 1: have Symphony, who is our thirteen year old. So that's
Speaker 1: the one to try you. Yeah, that's today. And then
Speaker 1: do I actual who really tried you? Like it's three
Speaker 1: year old? Like what is wrong with the odors? No,
Speaker 1: my lady is three, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Doug adults, yeah, ball, that has so going on, Like.
Speaker 1: People warn you about two, but they don't really want
Speaker 1: you about three. It is good because they can talk.
Speaker 2: Now and it's back. Oh yeah, what do you want?
Speaker 1: Where's my little baby? I ask him that all the time.
Speaker 1: It's my little tiny baby. He's like, big boy, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact Asher is our baby. All love Y'all's little
Speaker 1: shoots y'all did It's Sunday Shoots with Asher was the
Speaker 1: time he's a drummer. So Asher plays a drum and
Speaker 1: it wasn't burst on him like Asher picked up drumsticks
Speaker 1: probably at about three months old. Wow. And I posted
Speaker 1: a video the other day of him like playing playing
Speaker 1: people was like, oh this this used to be like you,
Speaker 1: but now it's a.
Speaker 2: Real baby play.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. All right, son? Is he gonna be playing
Speaker 1: for the church? You know, we try to. I took
Speaker 1: Sunday because he stares at our drummer the entire service.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's locked Undy in him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So while he was staring at him because Asher wants
Speaker 1: us to carry him so he can see the drums,
Speaker 1: he can't see what people standing. Yeah, he's fifty pounds,
Speaker 1: Like I can't hold you the whole Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: stowed him up on the stage and I was like,
Speaker 1: just go over there. He was saying, no, not big enough,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, her hands that I'm just not big enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one day I'm gonna be able there.
Speaker 1: It's so key.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: That is beautiful and I love that your husband's ex.
Speaker 3: I was able to like because a lot of people
Speaker 3: are not that blessed to have somebody mature enough to say,
Speaker 3: I love the way you love my children, So.
Speaker 1: I love you for that.
Speaker 3: And to be able to get along, yeah, because it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be. People move on, life goes on,
Speaker 3: but we can all get along.
Speaker 1: And I see the comments y'all like there's oh something
Speaker 1: like that, and they're like, that's y'all. They don't never
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 2: And I think you have to.
Speaker 1: You have to grow to that. Dam. I will deny
Speaker 1: myself for the sake of peace for these children abs
Speaker 1: you know, and whatever that means, because oh you know,
Speaker 1: she she trifle and he trifling. It is never gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know, that part you have to leave into a
Speaker 1: place of prayer. But growing up the mature rate, that
Speaker 1: putting the past behind us. But the only person you
Speaker 1: can really work on is yourself. And you gotta find
Speaker 1: out where have I've been the problem? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta really be honest with yourself because it's we
Speaker 1: gotta be honest, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't always that. Everybody is not. No, it
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 1: That is real.
Speaker 2: That is real.
Speaker 1: You have been very vocal, even.
Speaker 3: Through your music about depression and mental health? Where do
Speaker 3: you stand now? And how important? Because I know now
Speaker 3: everybody's talking about it, but you've actually spoke about your
Speaker 3: and a lot of times Christians don't speak about it.
Speaker 3: So I love that when you sing about to say depression.
Speaker 3: You on one of my every c these albums, you
Speaker 3: took them in the wall go ahead, and you talked
Speaker 3: about your cousin saying with you and how she loves you,
Speaker 3: like she said, Tash, I can read is no more
Speaker 3: and you felt rejected, but God was like no, like this,
Speaker 3: you gotta work on this. What what steps did you
Speaker 3: take to get to where you are now? Because the
Speaker 3: Tasha see now like you look.
Speaker 2: Like you do work, you know what?
Speaker 1: And it's I am an advocate for therapy. All of
Speaker 1: us need to get a therapist, you know. And even
Speaker 1: if it's not every single day or every single week,
Speaker 1: or even if it's in seasons, there are some seasons
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, I feel myself getting a little heavy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm trying to carry too much. Let me get
Speaker 1: on the phone, let me call it go away, you know.
Speaker 2: You know. So I feel like all of us.
Speaker 1: Need a space where we can release, you know, that
Speaker 1: the tensions of life, just life in general. To talk
Speaker 1: these things out. I believe there's a story in scripture
Speaker 1: that talks about two sisters, Mary and Martha, and Jesus
Speaker 1: stops by the Bible says Martha's house. I don't think
Speaker 1: we often put enough focus on that. Jesus stops by
Speaker 1: Martha's house, and when he enters the house, Martha goes
Speaker 1: back to working and cooking and preparing for him. But
Speaker 1: Mary sits at his feet and she worships. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times what we find in the Christian
Speaker 1: arena in the Kingdom is that we can work so
Speaker 1: much that we fail to take care of ourselves mentally.
Speaker 1: I believe that what Mary was doing was getting a
Speaker 1: mental break, a space in the presence of God where
Speaker 1: I'm seeing for myself, I'm singing about myself instead. Martha
Speaker 1: was like a lot of us, No, I gotta get
Speaker 1: this done. I gotta get up and preach every week,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to work every day. I gotta make
Speaker 1: sure that I'm encouraging people like you were saying, I
Speaker 1: gotta make sure I'm inspiring everybody who was taking time
Speaker 1: to take care of you. And I feel like we
Speaker 1: can compare ourselves sometimes to those two characters in scripture.
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be the one who's work work, work,
Speaker 1: worth working and never sitting down to take care of
Speaker 1: myself and sitting at the field even if some of
Speaker 1: us do work in church, You ain't got to be
Speaker 1: the one I'm singing every Sunday, sit down and receive.
Speaker 1: You one have to be the one up at the
Speaker 1: door usherman everywhere. Sit down and receive. Do something where
Speaker 1: you're filling yourself up again so that you have what
Speaker 1: it takes to go out and pour more So, I
Speaker 1: found that space for me, and it wasn't always me.
Speaker 1: I was the person who was always living in next
Speaker 1: like I could be there are times like even with
Speaker 1: that grammy, I don't really remember it. And then it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much just grief. It was just because I
Speaker 1: was a worcoholic. I could be like, did y'all answer
Speaker 1: that email?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Where are we going next week?
Speaker 1: If they know that street?
Speaker 2: Right? You know?
Speaker 1: After this, Empazze was like you gotta get rip like this.
Speaker 1: It's so many things, celebrate them now, you know.
Speaker 2: It's celebrate that I.
Speaker 1: Want you to find. Sometimes in scriptures, when they would
Speaker 1: experience major successes that they would build an altar. It
Speaker 1: would take a moment and establish something so that when
Speaker 1: I'm facing something hard in life in the next five
Speaker 1: ten years, I can look back to two thousand and
Speaker 1: four and see what God did and the same God
Speaker 1: that did it back then is going to do it again.
Speaker 1: So stop and build an altar. Celebrate those moments. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that my therapists would tell me
Speaker 1: to do I still do to this day. And she
Speaker 1: told me, make those people who are closest to you,
Speaker 1: make them make you be present.
Speaker 3: And I was like, how do I do that?
Speaker 1: And she said, so for me, I have authoritis in
Speaker 1: my toes. I know my sneaker game tight, but you
Speaker 1: know I have authoritis in both of my toes. I
Speaker 1: used to play basketball. I broke my toe. Whole long story.
Speaker 1: So I was like, if I got to wear sneakers,
Speaker 1: I got to be the best at it. Yes, So
Speaker 1: I started studying the culture all of that. So we
Speaker 1: own a sneaker store.
Speaker 2: All this came, yes, correct.
Speaker 1: It started from me having a broke told authritis, you
Speaker 1: know sometimes you gotta make limonade how to do limits.
Speaker 1: So she would say to me, She said, make them
Speaker 1: ask you questions like how do your toes feel right now?
Speaker 1: Do you have a headache right now? They make they
Speaker 1: make me be present in the moment. My husband will
Speaker 1: stop sometimes and he'll grab my shoulders and he'll say,
Speaker 1: do you have a headache right now? You know what
Speaker 1: does this moment feel like? You're just on Crystal's podcasts?
Speaker 1: How do you feel? You know? So those just man
Speaker 1: little things to make me be present. I'm still work,
Speaker 1: I still work a lot, but now I think I've
Speaker 1: matured to the place where take care of Tasha first
Speaker 1: and all of these things. You know, sometimes success can
Speaker 1: be fleeting. It can be here today, gone on tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Have you taken care of yourself? Am I am? I
Speaker 1: strong enough mentally that if it's gone tomorrow, said, it
Speaker 1: won't break me down. Yeah, I won't die in that
Speaker 1: season exactly. That's just where I am now. I love
Speaker 1: that you just helped me because I know my team
Speaker 1: back there. Like you for saying that. I know that
Speaker 1: I want to be sitting in a war showing about you.
Speaker 1: Where we're going to my arm show?
Speaker 2: Yeah that is me. I'm always like I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think also because I had the example of like
Speaker 3: a Tyler Perry who like was there with us grinding
Speaker 3: every time I looked at when I was tired, I
Speaker 3: saw him behind that monitor. Like I never felt like
Speaker 3: I was in it alone as the person who was pushing,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole thing, and he was driving it.
Speaker 2: But we were the ones.
Speaker 3: We were working together. So I think the part is
Speaker 3: like I never want any to feel like we're doing
Speaker 3: all this and she just shows up, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. But there is a part of
Speaker 2: where you gotta like let people.
Speaker 1: Do what they are what they do, you know, because
Speaker 1: you also you're building the culture. So if they see
Speaker 1: you doing it and then they're like, this is how
Speaker 1: it is. I have to be this way in order
Speaker 1: to be successful. My husband says, this thing that rest
Speaker 1: is Trustsadarius. It's also our pastor. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know that. So Pastor Darius is our pastor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he teaches us that you know, trust God with with
Speaker 1: one day out of your seven because God will allow
Speaker 1: you to do more with six days than the average
Speaker 1: person can do with seven. Your rest trust. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get this Saturday off on Saturdays, make it your Saturday.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do it this week because.
Speaker 3: Some get you some no, but thank you for us Seriously.
Speaker 3: I needed that because it is hard to find the
Speaker 3: moment to just decompress and breathe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important. It was ACTI don't thank you. I'll
Speaker 1: tell everybody to make sure you rest. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: you ain't resting girls to the else somewhere, yees. Rest
Speaker 1: is trust? It is.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna take away for this. I like, yeah, yes, this,
Speaker 1: I gotta remember that rest is trust.
Speaker 3: You have been an incredible merger between Gossaa and hip hop.
Speaker 3: I love the songs you don't you work with Nicki
Speaker 3: Minaj and that was like even when I saw, I
Speaker 3: was like, that's fire and I love. I was like,
Speaker 3: I love that she's taking these risks. What made you say,
Speaker 3: you know what, like these are people I want to
Speaker 3: work with it and I'm gonna do it no matter
Speaker 3: what because you know you'll get backlash for certain things.
Speaker 3: But what made you say I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 1: And I love this conversation. I think it's it's great
Speaker 1: because I've been hearing you talk a lot about the
Speaker 1: season that you're in. How people the comments about you
Speaker 1: representing Christ and representing the kingdom. You know, each of
Speaker 1: us we are. The Bible talks about walking out your
Speaker 1: own soul salvation. You know, how is God instructing you
Speaker 1: to represent Him in the earth. And it may not
Speaker 1: be the way. You know, such and such was called
Speaker 1: to do it, or those who went before me were
Speaker 1: called to do it, Like I love Yolanda. Yolanda goals
Speaker 1: on different platforms that you don't see a lot of
Speaker 1: gospel artists on. But even her walk is different than mine,
Speaker 1: you know. And so there are some areas where you
Speaker 1: have these people where you can you can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that person mentors me. My life a little bit looks
Speaker 1: like theirs. But then there are some doors that God
Speaker 1: opens for you that's just for you. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want you to represent me this way, and that's
Speaker 1: what that has been for me. And you see a
Speaker 1: lot of different collaborations now, like Kirk does a lot
Speaker 1: of Chandler has done collaborations. But in the season where
Speaker 1: I I did this song with Niki I'm getting Ready
Speaker 1: on my album and it just wasn't very very popular.
Speaker 1: You know, we had done I had done a song
Speaker 1: with Common before. But then you you go to somebody
Speaker 1: like Nicki Minaj and people think she represents one thing.
Speaker 1: You don't really know ho these people, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of times it's it's it's it's career, it's the success.
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it's just character. You think it. We're not
Speaker 1: judging you based those team.
Speaker 2: Be a live it don't get it's a character that.
Speaker 1: You put on. It's your job. And so I want
Speaker 1: I got to know Niki, yes, And then knowing Nikki,
Speaker 1: Nicki has relationship with God and she cares that other
Speaker 1: people do too. It's a means that she's without flaw. No,
Speaker 1: but most of us are. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So who am I to say that? She called me
Speaker 1: and she said, you know this, want this. I want
Speaker 1: this album to be the first one where I put
Speaker 1: my relationship with God on display. And who am I
Speaker 1: to say? You can't do that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And so after hearing God and praying about it, if
Speaker 1: God says yes, then I'm gonna go with what he says.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we got backlashed. The comments were crazy. I
Speaker 1: sold out, you know all this kind of stuff irritable,
Speaker 1: you know, But when you hear God say for you
Speaker 1: to do something, stick to it and do what he says.
Speaker 1: Because some of those same people, now it's years later,
Speaker 1: have come back there in my DM saying I judged
Speaker 1: you when that happened, but now I have a greater
Speaker 1: understanding you now I see. Yeah, So there are people
Speaker 1: who have come to me and repenting, you know, for
Speaker 1: what they did or what they said. And even if
Speaker 1: they don't, you know, I'm sure that this was God's
Speaker 1: will for me.
Speaker 2: Even the song.
Speaker 1: So we did another one moves on her last album,
Speaker 1: and that even that moment, so we were in the studio.
Speaker 1: I went to La to do that one in the
Speaker 1: studio with her, and we just had a moment where
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, we don't want to just leave
Speaker 1: it up to chance that people understand who we're talking about.
Speaker 1: So Nikki said to me, I want you to say
Speaker 1: the name Jesus.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A lot of people may think this is no, it's
Speaker 1: going both ways, and there's a relationship there and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how people may judge me or what it
Speaker 1: thinks about it, because I know for sure that this
Speaker 1: is something that God has called me, so you have
Speaker 1: to just stand firm moment a miss of like the backlash,
Speaker 1: how did you handle it?
Speaker 3: Because for me and you heard me be vocal about it,
Speaker 3: there's sounds Wh'm like, I ain't about to say nothing else,
Speaker 3: like I'm good, Like how do you handle it in
Speaker 3: the middle of because hindsight, you're like, I said yes
Speaker 3: to what God told me to do and people have
Speaker 3: something to say, But like, what do you feel in
Speaker 3: those moments?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's painful, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: and we're human, so you can get a million comments
Speaker 1: that are like, go, girl, you did it. You're killing me,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know that.
Speaker 2: It's like, why said you?
Speaker 1: Just be like everybody over here? You know, I've learned
Speaker 1: that blocking in a ministry. Baby know I love the ball.
Speaker 1: Well I respond, I'm gonna give you grace it just
Speaker 1: lock you. You know, there have been seasons where I responded,
Speaker 1: but even during that time I may have responded, like
Speaker 1: once I think I posted something and then after that
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel right. I felt like, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me just let this breathe and whatever happens happens. Because
Speaker 1: I know that Ultimately, vengeance is the Lord's you know,
Speaker 1: and it comes. It requires a lot. Right now with
Speaker 1: my husband and I've been studying Proverbs, just talking about wisdom.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man, their first three chapters of Proverbs. Man,
Speaker 1: it will bless you so right now, I think what
Speaker 1: being able to not respond requires wisdom, that it requires
Speaker 1: you to say, you know, this ain't about me anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's ultimately maybe the person who's commenting,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have a great understanding, maybe they don't
Speaker 1: have a revelation of what you're called to do. And
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't prove this to everybody
Speaker 1: in the world. You'll be You'll be commenting all day,
Speaker 1: you resigned out when it's somebody else is gonna come back,
Speaker 1: and before you know that, you you're overwhelmed in this
Speaker 1: space and it's like, I'm not even gonna take myself there. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I know that I'm doing the will of God for
Speaker 1: my life, and that's all that matters. That's all.
Speaker 3: I love it because some days I have time, some
Speaker 3: days I have time, and like my friends are like Crystal,
Speaker 3: who's around you tell them to take your phone.
Speaker 2: I'm living your phone to somebody and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, my dog, here's am me and say,
Speaker 1: now we know you're not gonna respond, do you release
Speaker 1: us to respond?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was so funny. It is my fans w I
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 3: I realized I don't have the same thing because they
Speaker 3: ride for me so hard, so things I really want
Speaker 3: to say, Yeah, I love you, let them know.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's talking about it was good.
Speaker 3: I could just see that because yeah, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what one to say, but I can't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love the black bread. It's my favorite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my ass favorite. It's a blessing.
Speaker 2: It is, it really is.
Speaker 3: It is when we talk about blessings, do you find
Speaker 3: that there's a burden and a blessing that comes with
Speaker 3: being in the ministry, Because sometimes people feel that there's
Speaker 3: a weight that comes.
Speaker 1: Along with carrying this this car because you're literally calling
Speaker 1: across Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's a day every day.
Speaker 1: It's an intentional choice, like I choose to carry the
Speaker 1: weight that comes with it. One of my good friends
Speaker 1: his name iss why Younger, and he is talking to
Speaker 1: us the other other week and he said, we love
Speaker 1: to talk about the cost that Jesus carried. But I
Speaker 1: think we live in a generation now of Christians who
Speaker 1: are crossless Christians or we don't want to carry our cross.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, because the cost is heavy.
Speaker 1: It is so there is a burden that comes with
Speaker 1: representing Christ, especially outside of the four walls of the church.
Speaker 1: Like I applaud, I applaud people like you who know,
Speaker 1: I'm not standing on a stage preaching. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not Sarah, I'm not Priscilla Shire. But I am
Speaker 1: Crystal and I'm doing it now. I got to do
Speaker 1: it through TV and film. That is it's a weight,
Speaker 1: it is, you know, to represent him in that way,
Speaker 1: but to see the benefits of it, to see so
Speaker 1: many people now who say, maybe I'm not like Tasha
Speaker 1: and I'm not like Sarah, but I see myself in Crystal,
Speaker 1: that I have all of these gifts that may not
Speaker 1: be used so much in the church, but they're used
Speaker 1: outside of the four walls of the church. And many
Speaker 1: times that's that's where you would find Jesus. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we are in church, was walking up the street, little say,
Speaker 1: he was hosting conferences about ownership and so that that's
Speaker 1: the kind of God that we serve. That Hey, I
Speaker 1: do want you to for sake, not to assemble together
Speaker 1: at your weekly gatherings, but I want you to take
Speaker 1: that out now and represent me. And that's not always
Speaker 1: going to be easy. There's the weight that comes with it,
Speaker 1: but I am I am honored to carry. You know,
Speaker 1: if he could carry his cross and die for us
Speaker 1: and do all the things that he did, certain me
Speaker 1: I can carry the weight of of my little cross. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: You, y'all.
Speaker 1: You killing me. You represent the kingdom? Well, I don't
Speaker 1: care what nobody says, ooh, you represent very well. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, because I do doubt that sometime
Speaker 1: like God am I doing?
Speaker 3: And even in this season, I found myself searching and
Speaker 3: talking to him more, guide me in the way that
Speaker 3: you want me to represent you, because I think it
Speaker 3: was it may ha been Sarah or some something happened
Speaker 3: during Women Evolved where someone said, we are living in
Speaker 3: a time where the people that are unlikely would be
Speaker 3: the ones that are raising up the kingdom and spreading
Speaker 3: the word, and either people that you wouldn't even expect,
Speaker 3: like wait, yeah, that's who he's using.
Speaker 1: And I was saying.
Speaker 3: I made a comment about how I noticed, like a
Speaker 3: lot of like singers and different people, people in the
Speaker 3: entertainment industry are publicly turning their life there the Christ.
Speaker 2: And bringing the millions of follower guide and brought to them.
Speaker 1: But it was for his word in the end. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things that happened. Even with the songs
Speaker 1: with Nikki, there was so many people who started following
Speaker 1: me or bought my album who they would say to me,
Speaker 1: I didn't believe in God I am when I heard
Speaker 1: this song or this is the first gospel I've ever purchased.
Speaker 1: That alone, I'm like, hey, you know, people, and I
Speaker 1: get the testimonies to well, what about our girls and
Speaker 1: what about our girls being exposed to this and exposed
Speaker 1: to that. I believe that God will cover our children.
Speaker 1: They will cover those who we are called to who
Speaker 1: are in our churches and is, but we also have
Speaker 1: to reach those who are not, you know, and how
Speaker 1: else do we do it besides collaborating people who represent
Speaker 1: Him outside of the for a while, so you know,
Speaker 1: I know that's what I'm called. Well that's the part
Speaker 1: of So thank you again for that. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that is there anything that you can resten
Speaker 3: to you breaking on what's coming up?
Speaker 1: I want to know we are on the Good News Tour.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about the I'm out there with them, my.
Speaker 1: Kids, but they are I'm Auntie Tasha now so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're Maverick City and so we got tired. Todd Alvert,
Speaker 1: Naomi Rage Handler, Tim Godfrey is gonna be so uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be incredible. I'm looking forward to tours always
Speaker 1: stretch you. So I'm looking forward to how I'm gonna
Speaker 1: grow as a person just out being out in different
Speaker 1: cities every night. I'm gonna know if people know that
Speaker 1: side of it. Yeah, it's also growing every night having
Speaker 1: these encounters and having this experience in worship, and even
Speaker 1: having the conversations with different artists backstage and living with
Speaker 1: them for all of these months. We grow together. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: You got a content, you know, I'm there.
Speaker 1: I got wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to the last Kingdom till they did
Speaker 3: here in Atlanta, and I had to feel the next
Speaker 3: day I didn't have a voice.
Speaker 2: Baby, I always up there, you gotta call. I was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta be if, I gotta whisper your ways. So
Speaker 2: you do have the tour.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that, and the books, the devotional and
Speaker 1: do it anyway I put it. I put my life
Speaker 1: in that. So it's your little wires and stories. Amazing.
Speaker 1: Even my childhood literally like watching how it was just
Speaker 1: a theme in our house. To get up and do
Speaker 1: it anyway, even though even if you don't feel like it.
Speaker 1: I believe it's going to be an encouragement to so
Speaker 1: many people. Oh love, I'm looking at the titles that
Speaker 1: you have discovered.
Speaker 3: Pursue it, read it heart. It's that's a girl, yes,
Speaker 3: question it created. I'm a creator, So I love that.
Speaker 3: All right, So it's a sixty this is amazing sixty day.
Speaker 1: Say mmmm yeah.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait to div say, seriously, I lost starting
Speaker 3: my day with devotionalists. I love, started with meditation and
Speaker 3: just really being still. So I'm going to add this
Speaker 3: to my morning routine. I cannot really no, thank you seriously,
Speaker 3: I love you and I'm so glad I got to
Speaker 3: share space with you.
Speaker 1: This has been incredible. Thank you so much. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: keep walking it. Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Who guys, I had to admit Tasha Cobbs Lynnard left
Speaker 3: me with so much to think about and pray about,
Speaker 3: so much that it was actually kind of challenging to
Speaker 3: come up with a gym for the day.
Speaker 1: But if I had one takeaway, it would be that
Speaker 1: rest is trust. Guys. I'm such a workhorse.
Speaker 3: I love having my hands and everything cause I have
Speaker 3: so many things going on, but sometimes I just need
Speaker 3: to be still.
Speaker 1: So that is my takeaway and my gym for this week.
Speaker 3: Today's show was nothing short of amazing and I can't
Speaker 3: thank you guys enough for watching. You can follow me
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, in between time, y'all already know what
Speaker 1: to do. Keep it positive, sweety. I'll see you guys
Speaker 1: next time.