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Speaker 1: this years and years ago. You know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 2: No? I didn't watch one second, And I'll watch, you know,

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Speaker 2: hours upon hours over the next several weeks of all

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Speaker 1: Well. And also, a defensive coach is where he lands.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: They signed Sam Donald a ten million dollars and they

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Speaker 2: People love him. It's one of those perfect things. I

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Speaker 1: So they have five players mean Montese sweat. People bitched

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Speaker 2: They have a good left tackle, they have excellent wide receivers,

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Speaker 2: it's been patchwork, right, trading for Brett Favre, signing Kirk

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Speaker 2: That's ultimately what fans want, and that's what gms and

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Speaker 1: he's not gifted, he's Josh stops and win an NFL game.

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Speaker 1: That's that is McVeigh level stuff. And McVeigh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, he drafted by Belichick right once upon a

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Speaker 2: I mean to what he did this year was remarkable.

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Speaker 2: In Minnesota, it's pretty clear like they have solid ownership.

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Speaker 2: they're really meddlers where the Browns, like Stefanski's proven to

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Speaker 2: be pretty good. Does it feel like them hiring Mike

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Speaker 2: Vrabel to be a consultant is more of an owner move. Now, Listen,

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Speaker 2: When you got Stefanski, who I haven't read, he's got

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Speaker 1: I thought about this, let's pivot to this. Aaron Donald retires.

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Speaker 1: So the two best defensive lineman I've ever seen are

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Speaker 1: Reggie White Aaron Donald. Just you couldn't block them one

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Speaker 1: on one. Even last year. I thought Aaron anytime anybody

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Speaker 1: singularly blocked him, he was a problem. He was disruptive,

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Speaker 1: So I thought he had a really good year last year,

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Speaker 1: and then I think Lawrence Taylor is the third that again,

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Speaker 1: on the defensive front, there's been a lot of great

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Speaker 1: pass rushers, but just to me lt Reggie Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting I was thinking about this, John, is

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Speaker 1: that one of the advantages and disadvantages to the NFL

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Speaker 1: now as the money's incredible, The Rams are paying guards

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Speaker 1: what people played quarterbacks, people paid quarterbacks ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: They're paying Dotson and the other guy, I forget his

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Speaker 1: name off the top of my head. The Rams. They're

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Speaker 1: paying two guards huge money. And so the world's changed.

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Speaker 1: The good news about this in the NFL is that

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Speaker 1: it used to be that Aaron Donald ten years ago

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Speaker 1: would have to play another contract to have kind of

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Speaker 1: generational money, and he doesn't need to anymore. Ten years

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Speaker 1: you're out. And what that means is, and I've said

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Speaker 1: this before, I wouldn't allow hitting until the eighth grade.

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Speaker 1: Eighth then high school you can hit. So you want

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Speaker 1: to shrink the window. And then if guy, if interior linemen,

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Speaker 1: and that's a lot of the concussions tight ends if

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Speaker 1: those guys can retire without a fourth contract. Third, what

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Speaker 1: it does, John, it shrinks the hit window, you know,

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Speaker 1: from like seventeen years to fourteen or nineteen years to thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And when I looked at Aaron Donald, I thought, he

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Speaker 1: just you and I know he has two years minimum.

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Speaker 1: It's like Jay Wright retiring from Villanova. He's got like

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Speaker 1: three final fours left and he's like, I'm out. I'm

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Speaker 1: not into this transfer stuff. I looked at Aaron donaland retiring,

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Speaker 1: and it's sort of a sign of the times that

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Speaker 1: those interior linemen now are like, listen, man, I'm gonna golf.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave with all my faculties. I've got my hips,

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Speaker 1: my legs. That's what it kind of. It wasn't anything

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Speaker 1: anti Rams, anti McVeigh, because they loved him, and I

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Speaker 1: really think he had a great year and I think

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Speaker 1: he liked playing with all their young guys. What it

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Speaker 1: felt like to me is this is the new league.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a fourth or a fifth contract, and

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Speaker 1: you leave the sport healthier.

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Speaker 2: And it's not easy to walk away from thirty million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year, right, I mean, now many humans do. It.

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Speaker 2: Isn't Jason Kelce fall into the same umbrella. Both these

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Speaker 2: guys have flirted with retirement. Now for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Both of them are still Pro Bowl, all pro level players.

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Speaker 2: The money obviously in the NFL, if you're a high

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Speaker 2: end player, I mean, like you said, guards, you're making

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Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, nineteen million dollars years crazy, that's nuts. Though

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Speaker 2: you could argue with the amount of elite defensive tackles

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Speaker 2: their value has gone up. True, and you get overpaid

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Speaker 2: in free agency. But I think Kelsey and Donald fall

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Speaker 2: under the umbrella. This isn't a random emotional decision because

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Speaker 2: they had thought about it before, and I think now

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Speaker 2: we look back at Aaron Donald. Obviously he got a

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Speaker 2: huge raise last year and got some guaranteed money. But

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Speaker 2: I think this was really I can't even imagine. I've

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Speaker 2: heard Jason Kelsey talk about like the pain he feels

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Speaker 2: on Monday and Tuesday getting out of bed. Hell, I've

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Speaker 2: heard George Kittle talk about he really valued, like most

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Speaker 2: elite players really value practice because that's how they keep

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Speaker 2: dialed in for Sunday, and sometimes it can be very

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Speaker 2: difficult to feel good by Wednesday. Yes, right, you're done.

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Speaker 2: If you play a you know, a cross country game,

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Speaker 2: you're done at one o'clock in the afternoon. I mean

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Speaker 2: that is that is several days and these guys are

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Speaker 2: still and these guys are the cold tubs, the sawn as,

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Speaker 2: they're doing everything humanly possible. The game has definitely, you know,

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Speaker 2: softens the wrong way because big hits still happen in

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Speaker 2: terms of the speed in which people are running, but

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Speaker 2: the violence on the defense of an offensive line has

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Speaker 2: not changed, and the strength and the speed of these

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Speaker 2: individuals have never been right the size of Trent Williams

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Speaker 2: and Tyron Smith and these guys. I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter last year. You got a guy six five

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Speaker 2: three and ten pounds who can run like a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: And more and more of these guys are coming into

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Speaker 2: the league. So Aaron Donald, I do think picture it's

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Speaker 2: a blow to the Rams. I mean, this is one

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Speaker 2: of their better players. No one could have been more

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Speaker 2: happy than Kyle Shanahan because they don't have very good

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Speaker 2: guards and they can't block that guy. So's I still

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Speaker 2: like the Rams, But anytime we talked about this with

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Speaker 2: Fletcher Cox and Kelsey, it is hard to replace stalwart players.

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Speaker 2: I think Aaron's a little quieter, but just have a

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Speaker 2: guy the lead by example, that's hard to replace. It

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Speaker 2: really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the good news they drafted Kobe Turner

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Speaker 1: wake Forest Kid third round. He ended up having a

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Speaker 1: tremendous year. But I think they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: readdress the defensive line. In fact, I think they'll probably

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Speaker 1: take an edge rusher for their first pick from UCLA.

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Speaker 1: That's my guess about where he'll fall. They have to

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Speaker 1: address that they need a defensive end, an edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: and now they need another defensive tackle. So I watched

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Speaker 1: the final episode of the Dynasty and listen, I have

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Speaker 1: Jeff Benedict on my show That Heard Tomorrow inn FS one.

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Speaker 1: So everybody knows that the Crafts gave really good access

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Speaker 1: and so it was a pro craft documentary, but we

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Speaker 1: also know that Michael Jordan and Michael Jordan's documentary, it

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Speaker 1: was a pro mj documentary, right, Like, you to get access,

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Speaker 1: you're going to lean some way. And I mean you

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Speaker 1: could tell in The Three Ring Circus by Jeff Pearlman,

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Speaker 1: the book you know, so, I mean, and he did

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Speaker 1: exhaustive research, but it wasn't the most Kobe friendly book, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you understand where access is denied and where it

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Speaker 1: comes from and that's not a criticism on Jeff or

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Speaker 1: anybody that does it. You got to you can have

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Speaker 1: five hundred sources. You need talkers, you need storytellers. You're

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Speaker 1: getting information that nobody has and that can be damaging

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Speaker 1: to people. So but as I watched the Dynasty, my

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Speaker 1: take my whole takeaway was Okay, Kobe Shack, dynasty ugly ending,

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Speaker 1: MJ Bulls ugly ending, Brady Belichick ugly ending. You know

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Speaker 1: who didn't Duncan and Popovich, and nobody's making a documentary

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Speaker 1: out of it. The truth is is that almost all die,

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Speaker 1: even the Heatles. Lebron just leaves d Wade, Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 1: at the end with Jerry Jones, is that there's two

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Speaker 1: absolute truisms with dynasties. Hard work builds it, resilience maintains it,

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Speaker 1: and eventually credit ruins it all of them. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy wants more credit than Jerry and deserved it. Kobe

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Speaker 1: wanted more than Shack, whether he deserved it or not.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers, I mean, at one point, O'Reilly, Phil Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Jerry west All in the building. It was a battle

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Speaker 1: for credit. All of them brilliant. But as I watched

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Speaker 1: the dynasty. I thought to myself, everybody wants their narrative.

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Speaker 1: But Bill didn't do himself a favor when he still

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be open and clean on the Malcolm Butler thing.

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Speaker 1: So Bill won them the Super Bowl against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: He literally shut mcpagh down. It was a coaching this match.

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Speaker 1: He lost it against the Eagles when he wouldn't play Butler,

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Speaker 1: and I really thought there was a moment I thought

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Speaker 1: Bill that this is not the time to be stubborn,

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Speaker 1: the players knew. Had Bill given an answer for that,

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Speaker 1: I think I would have looked at it and thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, I get it. If you said the guy

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Speaker 1: I'd buy into it. But to a player in that thing,

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, yeah, we got screwed by our coach.

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Speaker 1: And that was and they had to say that on camera,

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Speaker 1: all of them. And they'll see Belichick again down the road.

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Speaker 1: So that was my takeaway is I know where it's

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Speaker 1: He really just can't get out of his way.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard, you know. Bill. Throughout the documentary

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Speaker 2: I probably regret it. I wish he would never. There's

639
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: not a human element which he might say if he

640
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: was having a beer with Ernie Adams, right, or yeah,

641
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: we probably shouldn't have done that. He was never going

642
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 2: to give that up because ultimately the logic behind that,

643
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: because the whole part, like this documentary, is ultimately really

644
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: able to cap off that Tom ultimately leaves, goes has

645
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: success and they fall.

646
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Apart and it ends ugly.

647
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: But he made the I was slipping around channels last

648
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: night and Jerry Rice's football life was on. Bill Walsh

649
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: was the general manager at the time in nineteen ninety

650
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: nine and told Jerry you're not coming back, We're not

651
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: resigning you. And Jerry the next year had over one

652
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: hundred catches for the Raiders, still planned pretty well, and

653
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick wouldn't you say, basically copied everything Walsh did

654
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: in terms of player personnel, getting rid of guys a

655
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: year or two early. He wasn't. Historically, Tom's just an

656
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: all time outlier. He shorted his career even way than

657
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: they ended up, Like when they signed Jimmy Garoppolo or

658
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, yah elevated or drafted him in the second round.

659
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: It just backfired every time, like John Elway did that

660
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: the Peyton Manning, remember when he made him get a

661
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 2: pay cut that last year and it was kind of

662
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: football is that there's a lot of just animosity. There's

663
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: a lot of tension a whole to me a huge

664
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: theme and that whole documentary and this anyone that's followed

665
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Everyone kind of on their toes, including Tom.

666
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: And when Tom suspended and Jimmy has a little success

667
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: in that first game against Arizona. Tom's no dummy. He's

668
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: seen every guy he's ever played with get wally, pipped, replaced, cut, traded, right,

669
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: And that is the environment that Belichick. Most guys don't

670
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: really harbor that environment anymore in the NFL. It doesn't.

671
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: It exists because it's the nature of the business. But

672
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: if you walk in the Rams or the Niners, and

673
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: you're like Fred Warner is not constantly looking over his shoulder,

674
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: but every guy with the Patriots, Edelman still talks about

675
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: this day. We were always just you had to stay

676
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: dialed in, you had to stay focused. You knew Bill

677
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: at any moment. And the only reason it worked is

678
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: because they had Tom and he was the first in

679
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: line and followed the rules and set the tone. It

680
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: doesn't really work, so you could argue their whole thing

681
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: was kind of somewhat of an outlier situation that we'll

682
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: never see again. I mean, he's constantly screaming at Tom

683
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: in meetings. Now Andy coaches mahomes heart. He's not really

684
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: yell or in a screamer, So it's hard to like

685
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: comp those two. But I just don't think you're gonna

686
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: see You're never gonna see a team win six Super

687
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Bowls over twenty years, Like that's probably not gonna happen

688
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: again with the same quarter.

689
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting about Andy Reid Belichick. He wanted

690
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: control of personnel. Their drafts went into the tank. Pete

691
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Carroll for several years wanted more control. At one point,

692
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Home Grown in Seattle had control. Andy's the one guy,

693
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: and maybe it's Brett Veitch. He respects him. Andy's the

694
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: one guy that in Philadelphia, Howie you do it? Or

695
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: pre Howie it was, what's the name?

696
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: They had Tom Hecker, they had some other guys.

697
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: And in Kansas City, Andy is really about the art

698
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: of play calling and play design. You know, Sean Payton

699
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: likes a little control in his personnel with Mickey Loomis,

700
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: but they work together. Andy's really an outlier. He doesn't

701
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: appear to have that thirst or need to have a

702
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: say in the groceries. He'll just make dinner. And I

703
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: think he's the classic. You know. It's like there are

704
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: probably chefs that have to get all the ingredients, probably most,

705
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: but there probably is a chef somewhere that just you

706
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: give me the ingredients. I love the art and the

707
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: challenge of making something amazing with what I walk into

708
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: a kitchen and inherit. And I think one of the

709
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: reasons I do think Kansas City can sustain this beyond

710
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Mahomes's talent, I don't feel there's good I was even

711
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: sitting down in Mexico with the President of the Chiefs.

712
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Happened to be Unmar Dominic. Yeah, just again, guys will

713
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: have to edit this tall, dark haired Yeah.

714
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: I think's last name is Dominic.

715
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Andy doesn't seem they all one guy does ops,

716
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: one guy is personnel, one guy's coach, Spag does defense.

717
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the great pupil. There's a real happy balance

718
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: the Hunt family. I was asking the gentleman about the

719
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: Hunt family, and I think I could say this, I'm

720
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: not breaching any you know, confidence here. He just basically said,

721
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: they're great. They support you, they're aware of what you're doing,

722
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: but they don't meddle. They really have a connectivity to

723
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: the league and Goodell and Craft and other owners, but

724
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: they kind of let us run the business. You don't

725
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: get the ego in Kansas City, which you know, Dallas

726
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: had some and New England developed some. So that's why

727
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City is unique is that Andy's just like, Hey,

728
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: this is what I'm inheriting. I love the art of

729
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: the play design and the play calling, and I don't

730
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that's rare. In my opinion.

731
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: Andy told me the combine that it's just impossible to

732
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: do both roles in twenty twenty four one. There's just

733
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: way too much going on in college to keep track

734
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: of anyone more than ever with the transfer portal. It's

735
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: harder even for the scouts now because of the movement

736
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: of all the prospects before you, like this guy transferred,

737
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: probably something off now just normal elite players, constant movement,

738
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: keeping track, And I think more and more the league

739
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: is turning that way of coaches realizing I don't have

740
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: the bandwidth, and the coaches the attempt to run it

741
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: over the next really starting at the combine till the

742
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: draft end up failing and get mad a couple of

743
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: years later. Well, I made an emotional decision because I

744
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: knew the head coach and he told me something about

745
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: this guy, and I overvalued him. When my scout that

746
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: had watched him for two years and my GM who

747
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: had been on for a year and have been through

748
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: these schools, we're telling me, yeah, that's probably not the

749
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: best idea. But this always gets back to the highest

750
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: guy in the ORG chart is always going to be

751
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: the coach. He makes them motion, so ultimately when he

752
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: gets emotional about it, he always wins out. And he's

753
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: got to the point, I mean he's now in the

754
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: Bill waltsh category three super Bowls, an all time legend,

755
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: go into the Hall of Fame. He doesn't need to

756
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 2: like have his ego stroke the I pick this guy

757
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: or you picked it. It's a we operation, which honestly

758
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: is polar opposite of the way the Spurs did it forever.

759
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: It was always Popovich's way. Belichick did it forever. Some

760
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: of those old school baseball coaches, Tommy Lasorda, Bochi's somewhat

761
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: of an outlier. He still pre hands on when it matters,

762
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: but it's much more. And listen, I think collaborative nature

763
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: and football can be a little overrated. Not everyone has

764
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: to be happy, go lucky. This isn't your run of

765
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: the mill insurance company where people get screamed at. That's

766
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: part of the business. But you do look at the volume.

767
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: You're not texting Hey John, I think you should hit

768
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: on these three things today, or hey Shannon, you should

769
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: have this guy on.

770
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: That's not the way the world works.

771
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: Just hire the right people and let them have success

772
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: or not, and then you figure it out. And Andy's

773
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: done that for a while now. And I don't think

774
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: it's random that in this day and age, obviously hit

775
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. But like they hit on all these

776
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: other players. Because Brett Veach is in charge. I mean

777
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: before that, John Dorsey was in charge, and he just

778
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: goes listen, all coats, the team you picked, the groceries

779
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: make a great meal.

780
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: Let's talk Jets. I actually thought they did something I

781
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: really liked. So Tyrone Smith gives you about fourteen games

782
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: a year now thirteen fourteen games and that's about it.

783
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 1: But he's certainly got a year left in the tank.

784
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: And when he does play last year, he just engulf's

785
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: most ends. I watched a couple of Cowboy games last year.

786
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: He gets his hands on you, it's still over. It's

787
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald. He gets his hands on you, he

788
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: gets you off balance, it's still over. But Tyrone can't

789
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: give you. You're not going to give you seventeen games.

790
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: He's not. He's going to give you thirteen. He may

791
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: leave one early. But I thought it was really smart

792
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: with the Jets, because first, it's a very good tackle draft.

793
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: But generally it feels like to me, there are certain

794
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: positions corner running back that can come in and play

795
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: immediately if you can lock on a guy. I've seen

796
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: a lot of corners walk into this league Witherspoon Seattle.

797
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: He could play Week one. You see running backs, it

798
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't take it. It doesn't take long for a running

799
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: back hit. The whole gets through. McCaffrey just walks in

800
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: and can play. Adrian Peterson walks in. But we see

801
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: this every year. But mid round guys, mid round running

802
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: backs Isaiah Pacheco seventh round can play tackle. Tight End

803
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: and tackle are two positions that in college. You know,

804
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Iowa makes their tight ends block. That's why Iowa has

805
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: so many damn tight ends in the NFL. They force you.

806
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Utah forces their tight ends to block. That's when when

807
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid was coming out, I talked to Jude Gms

808
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know a lot of these back

809
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: twelve schools there, they're not asking guys to block Utah receivers.

810
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: They're wider. Utah makes their tight ends block, well, so

811
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: does Iowa. So tight ends one of those positions that

812
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: even the great ones it takes a year to figure out.

813
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: Oh crap, I'm getting thrown around. But left tackle, there's

814
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: just not many great outside of the SEC. There's not

815
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: many great edge rushers. I mean Pac twelve this year

816
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: had maybe one or two and so I think Tyron

817
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Smith this year starts and by Thanksgiving the Jets still

818
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: go draft to tackle with the first pick the tenth pick.

819
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: But with Aaron's injury, you can't start a rookie left

820
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL in that AFC. It would Buffalo's

821
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: pass rush. So I actually thought the Jets this is

822
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: one of those probably you know you're not gonna make

823
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: money on this deal, right, but considering the injury Tyron,

824
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: They're still going to draft the left tackle. I thought

825
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: it was kind of a smart move by New York.

826
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: They also traded for Morgan Moses, who I pulled up

827
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: his NFL dot com page. He's missed like two games

828
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: and ten years. So they get two tackles, a left

829
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: tackle and a right tackle. That, let's face it, I

830
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: do think there would be some pressure if you draft

831
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: the guy and they've done this before with Beckton and

832
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: it failed immediately and you get into a position where

833
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: you're in trouble. I also think it allows them if

834
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: they like another player a lot more early in the draft,

835
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: they could take a tackle in the second or third round, yeah,

836
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: and ease him in with I mean Tyrone Is if

837
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: he would have been healthy. I think we'd be talking

838
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: about him right with like Trent Williams as one of

839
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: the better players the last twenty years at the position.

840
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 2: He's just hurt a lot. But I think anytime, let's

841
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: face it, Aaron win now mode two, right, these guys

842
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: will get fired if this thing fails, no question, and

843
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: that they could do all the right personnel moves and

844
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: if aarons a show of themselves, they might be screwed

845
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: no matter what. But you cannot. You just couldn't roll

846
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: into the season with a shitty offensive.

847
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: He get killed.

848
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: He would not have so he would not have survived

849
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: last year. I do think they are more equipped with

850
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: these two tackles, and then you can also draft a

851
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: tackle in the first two picks. You don't have to

852
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: force it in the first round because what if romadons

853
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: days there someone else to put with Garrett Wilson. Then

854
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Okay, now you've got a running back,

855
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: two wide receivers, brock Bowers, you know, more of an

856
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: offensive weapon, and you feel comfortable having two veteran tackles

857
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: and hopefully you know you can keep your interior offensive

858
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: line play a little better.

859
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the first three rounds today.

860
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: It is the best tackle draft I've ever seen. I've

861
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: never seen it.

862
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: I think you get a guy in the second round

863
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: if you love a wide receiver or a Bowers or

864
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: another player, Yeah, that you have as equal because there's

865
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: gonna be depth there.

866
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Aaron come in, So I thought it was

867
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: a good move. I just thought, you can't go into

868
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: the season. I mean, Aaron's you know it when remember

869
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: when Brady got hurt for about a year, he was

870
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: pissy if you got near his knees, like he just

871
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: didn't get these old quarterbacks coming off injuries they got no.

872
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron's going to be sitting there. You know

873
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: you can hear stuff. So I thought that's a smart movie.

874
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I didn't think it's interesting with Aaron though. You know,

875
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Aaron said something after the year. He says, we got

876
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: to get this non football stuff, we got to get

877
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it out of the locker room. And I'm like, this week,

878
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: two different stories won by a CNN reporter that Aaron denied.

879
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: The other one the vice presidential nominee RFK puts Aaron's

880
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: name out there. And my takeaway was, first of all,

881
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: you are the company you keep you know, if you're

882
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: going on Joe Rogan, if you're you know, if you're

883
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: in discussions on podcasts or broadcasts with people who monitor

884
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: ties headlines. That's not a knock on McAfee or Rogan.

885
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: It's the business. Well, yeah, you're gonna be a topic,

886
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a headline. But the other thing is,

887
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: you know with Aaron is that I kept thinking to myself,

888
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: green Bay is laughing their ass off. Aaron goes. Usually

889
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: when the star quarterback goes, it's a turbulent ear. I

890
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: thought green Bay by the end of the year was

891
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: better than were last year with Aaron, Jordan loves got

892
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: all these young kids. And my take on that presidential

893
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: nominee thing is, you know, green Bay sitting or thinking

894
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: we told you like this, You're just gonna get headlines,

895
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: not all negative. But I don't think you can have

896
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: a non football locker room with Aaron. I just think

897
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: this is who he is.

898
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would separate the two. I thought the CNN report,

899
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean a decade old Yeah, hearsay, that's it's insane.

900
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: Didn't If I was Aaron Rodgers, I'd be fucking pissed,

901
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: like half the people in the media tweeting like give

902
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: me no one knows like that, that's extreme. The VP thing,

903
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: it was like kind of believable because they're boys. That

904
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: felt like Aaron, like, we're not doing quite enough. Remember

905
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: when I took the pay cut, Like guy, hey, guys,

906
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: I just rehabb my ass off, and we feel a

907
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: little bit like the packers, like where are our moves?

908
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: That's what that felt like, because I heard someone say this,

909
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: and they were right. The VP doesn't pay fifty million

910
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: dollars a year. He ain't gonna be the vice president.

911
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: Rich people don't go into politics un till they get

912
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: older and bored. Aaron's still young and rich, and he

913
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: ain't leaving the NFL. But that did feel a little

914
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: bit Green Bay ish, a little different tactic, but like,

915
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: oh my god, come on, Aaron, that would have been

916
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: one if you respected your employer, you just would have

917
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: just tweeted out like this is the stupidest report ever, guys.

918
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it. OTAs because he did

919
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: it about the Sandy hook, which obviously is a much

920
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: more powerful headline than being the VP. A lot of

921
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: people making fun of them, but it's also like you

922
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: do like you're making a lot of paid a lot

923
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: of money. They've gone all in on you. They threw

924
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: you a lifeline because you wanted out of Green Bay,

925
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: and then what happened after that report, They've made some moves.

926
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: It did feel a little bit I couldn't do that,

927
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, the source, gymnastics, the reporter if, I don't know,

928
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: but it did feel like, well, he might have had

929
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: a little something behind that one.

930
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: He did it with a Jeopardy. Remember he flirted in

931
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: the off season with Jeopardy. We don't think he wanted

932
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: to do Jeopardy. That's not what he wanted to do.

933
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: But I think to your point.

934
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: Does Jeopardy pay fifty million? I don't think it does.

935
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: I think it pays well, but not fifty.

936
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: It's probably eight to ten, not fifty. Yeah, it's Sam Darnold. Yeah. Essentially,

937
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's a look at the free agency as

938
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: a whole. And one of the things I've always liked

939
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: about the NFL is that it's always sort of evolving,

940
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: and usually there's a team that just goes all in

941
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: and they win quote hash marks, they win free agents,

942
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and those teams have been burned so bad. I mean

943
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Belichick spent a fortune two years ago. They didn't. They

944
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't get anything out of it.

945
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Receivers were some of those players he hated immediately.

946
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: Matthew Judah was like the only one Hunter Henry a little.

947
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: But I really thought it was a smart free agency.

948
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm most of the good team. I mean, like,

949
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, just take the rams, which because I watch

950
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: everything they do, and I'm like, they paid for a guard.

951
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Reason being they took their guard from TCU. They'll move

952
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: him to center. So now they're Stafford older quarterback Niners,

953
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: their big rival, great pass rush. They basically solidified the

954
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: middle of the O line. Matt can step up and move,

955
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: but older quarterbacks don't like that interior pressure. And then

956
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: they went and got a corner and then Garoppolo and

957
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: they did just a lot of b guys what Houston

958
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: did last year. I do feel free agency there was

959
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: a time when when gms love to win it. But

960
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these young gms, I think they're very thoughtful.

961
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: I think they're a aggressive, but thoughtfully aggressive. I didn't

962
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: think anybody. I didn't see a single move. Maybe you

963
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: did that, I thought, holy shit, that's a Now I

964
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: did think Gabe Davis to the Jags. It was a

965
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: little rich. I think it was like thirty three million,

966
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: thirty nine. I thought that was a little rich.

967
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: In mind, I think you had to have a contingency

968
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: plan if Calvin Ridley had left and he got a

969
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: little expensive.

970
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: That was the only move. Even Kirk Cousins, I'm like,

971
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: timeout Kirk's value in that division is substantial. If you

972
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: put Kirk in the AFC Wes with Harbaugh, Herbert, Andy Mahomes,

973
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm not paying that money, but that money almost guarantees

974
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: at least a wild card or division title. I didn't

975
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: see a move. I hated Gabe Davis, little rich, Kirk Cousins,

976
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: I'd like a little smaller number. Everything else felt right

977
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: to me.

978
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: And let's face it, I think the reflection too of

979
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: this free agency is the money that's come into the NFL,

980
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: the salary cap going up. Unless you sign these enormal

981
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: miss quarterback contracts, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, most of these

982
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 2: the Houston Texas. Let's say daneil Hunter just shatters his leg,

983
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: is they gave him two years fifty million dollars. It

984
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: doesn't hinder you for years to come. Once you give

985
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: those enormous even Kirk Cousins. If he's bad, it'll hurts

986
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: you initially, but it won't sink your franchise. Yeah. I

987
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: think the Titans, Calvin Ridley, Tony Paul, Let's see what

988
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: Will Elevis has. Let's see what he's got right, so

989
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: we know and we'll pivot off him. I do think

990
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: the Texans they are pretty well run operation right now.

991
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: And I think what you know, he traded up last

992
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: year for will Will Anderson, remember because they took CJ.

993
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: Stroud and they traded up. Well, he immediately gets more

994
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: draft capital making this this trade with Minnesota. Now he's

995
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: got several second round picks, where a lot of GMS

996
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: will tell you, obviously, if you hit on an Aaron

997
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Donald or a great player in the first round, it's

998
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: but half the first rounders don't work, and you pay

999
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: him first round money. The second round is the place

1000
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: where you find elite play all the time and half

1001
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: the league's Pro Bowl or second round, and you pay

1002
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: him nothing. Those second round picks are very, very valuable

1003
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: to NFL general managers, especially the picks like thirty five

1004
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: to fifty kind of that range, because you're finding the

1005
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuels like high end players for a four year

1006
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: contract at about five million dollars, it's easily the best

1007
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: deal in the league, non like rookie quarterback contract. So yeah,

1008
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: I think you have a lot of younger gms. I mean,

1009
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: the day and age of some of these kind of

1010
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: curmudgeon guys that came up in the seventies and eighties.

1011
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: Are long gone.

1012
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: Most of these gms. I would imagine the average age

1013
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: of a GM is late forties, early fifties, and there

1014
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: are several GMS in their mid to late forties. So

1015
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: I think they just view the game differently, especially economically.

1016
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: They're not is beholden to we can't pay for this.

1017
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: We can't pay for this at the starting guards sixty million,

1018
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna pay sixteen million. Now, once you

1019
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: get that guy, he has to be a good player.

1020
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: Once you pay a premium to me for a guard

1021
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: or a linebacker, that guy then has to be a

1022
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: high end player, and if he is, you're fine. If

1023
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: he's at average, then you're kind of wasting money.

1024
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: So I didn't see a clear winner in this, although

1025
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: I do think the Bears getting Keenan Allen. The winner

1026
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: was Caleb Williams. Between DJ Moore, Caleb Williams, DJ Moore,

1027
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, Jerald Everett, Cole Comet and capable running backs.

1028
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, and a good solid left tackle. I'm like,

1029
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty good as you As you mentioned earlier, Caleb

1030
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: Williams had a good week ND. That's a pretty good

1031
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: team offensively. Dallas is strange. It's a bad running back class.

1032
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: And Dallas really didn't make a big swing.

1033
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: Now.

1034
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I thought they should have gotten Dereck Henry at the

1035
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: trade deadline last year. I thought Paulard de meis a

1036
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: kind of an average two. He's an off speed pitch.

1037
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Paulard's not a one. Dallas tends to be insular. Jerry

1038
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: likes to validate his picks. They have always re signed

1039
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: their picks to a higher level than anybody else in

1040
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: the league. Dallas didn't do a ton. Now. They let

1041
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: go of Michael Gallup. We know they're going to pay

1042
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: seedy line and Micah Parsonson dec a lot of money

1043
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: over the next two years. But I thought to myself, Dallas,

1044
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: you know this has been my knock on them. They'll

1045
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: be pretty good, But I'm saying this, go look at

1046
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's skill people. I mean from the tight ends, two backs,

1047
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: two receivers, Jalen Hurts a better offensive line than certainly Giants,

1048
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: So Saquon should succeed just because the Eagles have a

1049
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: better front than the Giants do and a better quarterback

1050
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: and weapons. So safeties can't crowd the box against the

1051
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: Eagles like they can against the Giants. So Saquon should

1052
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: be a hit. You start listing Dallas to skill people.

1053
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: You have a B plus quarterback. If CD Lamb twists

1054
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: an ankle, you have there is no elite players there

1055
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: like to me, I understand in free agency you overpay,

1056
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: but I look at Dallas as an injury away to

1057
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: see d Lamb as a lot of dependent and see

1058
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: on Dak.

1059
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: I think they have a Dak Prescott problem, not because

1060
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: he's some bad player, but because of his contract situation.

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: He has the second highest cap hit in the league

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00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: behind Deshaun Watson, sixty million dollars for this one year.

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00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: That's taken up like twenty four percent of their salary cap.

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00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: But the problem is you could extend him and get

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00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: that number way down. But are you comfortable giving him

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: a two hundred million dollar Russell Wilson extension. If he

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00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: had shown you more the last two years when it mattered,

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00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: they wouldn't hesitate. He would already have an extension, They

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00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: would have had more wiggle room, and they would have

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00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: been able to sign players. I think they're a little

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00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: terrified to give him a huge extent. They can say

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00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: whatever they want, and Jerry never stops talking. It's entertaining,

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00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: but their actions are telling you everything. You know that

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00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: they're at least hesitant. They may end up doing it,

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00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: but they're at least for the first time thinking like

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00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: this is are they going to play this year out

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00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: on the sixty million dollar cont and just they can't

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00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: be a one and done team in the playoffs anymore.

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00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: And give this quarterback two hundred and fifty million dollars

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00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 2: guaranteed money because ultimately Dak his last contract that he signed,

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00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: how long ago, he was making forty million dollars and

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: he has statistically played a lot better since what do

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00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: you think he's asking for at minimum probably four or

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00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: five years a couple hundred million, two hundred million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the splits so? And I could be

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00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: wrong on this. Dak has only won I think nine

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00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: games in his career when he has under one hundred

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00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: rushing yard support. I think that's the number. I did

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00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: it last week on the show, and I don't have

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00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: it in front of me, but there is an absolute.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have Mahomes in the Super Bowl leading

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00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in rushing. We have Josh Allen Lamar in

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: big games leading the team in rushing. If Dak does

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00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: not get one hundred yards rushing, his winning percentage is

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00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: like thirty five. And I think it was he only

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00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: has nine career wins when he has under one hundred

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00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: yards rushing. I think that's that's the number. He's very dependent.

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00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: Remember he broke into the league with a great run game,

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00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: a great online yeah, and he was thirteen and three,

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00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: and he really shocked the world. But then people get filmed,

1101
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: they see limitations, then he dips, then they get Amari Cooper.

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: He goes back up. So between the O line, Zeke

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00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper in his prime, Dak so was kind

1104
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: of needed elevation, whereas a Mahomes, we know this Mahomes

1105
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: elevates everybody. I mean, it's Travis Kelcey playing for eighty

1106
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: percent of the quarterbacks in this league, is a really

1107
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: good pro bowler. He's not Travis Kelsey's not this. So

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00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: I just look at Dallas and I'm like, you have

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00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: these numbers, they're all telling and it's a bad running

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00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: back draft. I didn't get it.

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think they're with the you know, they've

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00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: had success statistically, obviously not in the playoffs. McCarthy's not

1113
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: he can say whatever he wants about I want to

1114
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: run the ball more. Look at his history.

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00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: He likes to pass.

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00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: He did it with Aaron Rodgers, He's done it with

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00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott. Like, I just don't think he can say

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00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: whatever he wants because that's coming from Jerry. He wants

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00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: to throw the ball around the yard. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: Dak in these spots now in the playof he's thrown

1121
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: to the other team. If you put Dak with one

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00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: of the Shanahan guys will run first, Lafleur or Kyle

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00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: and took the pressure off him, he would be much

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00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: better situated. But McCarthy, because all of his success and

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00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: the way I think he fundamentally views offensive football, spread

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00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: it out and throw it around and Dak. Like you said,

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00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: he's not only not Mahomes, he's not Josh Allen. He

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00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: can't do like physically with Justin Herbert. He is much

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00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: better to be a balanced quarterback. That's most guys. There's

1130
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: two or three guys. Do you feel good? Even Trevor Lawrence.

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00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 2: More likely he's gonna need some help. He's not gonna

1132
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: be able to carry you.

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Speaker 1: Think about this, Think about what the rookie quarterback. Think

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00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: of what Sam Darnald is in haring in Minnesota. An

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00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: elite running back, an elite left tackle, the number one

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: receiver Jordan Madison, a two Hackinson tight end, and an

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: offensive a really clever offensive coach. Sam Darnald I think

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00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: this year, if he stays healthy and they're kind of

1139
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: patient with him and they watch JJ McCarthy, Sam Donald

1140
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: could end up Not because he's brilliant. He's got one

1141
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: of the best. I mean, if I if we ranked

1142
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: left tackle, star receiver, two receiver, tight end, running back,

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00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: they'd be up there at top sixty. Sam Darnold's gonna

1144
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: do a Baker. You're gonna look it up and go.

1145
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota's in the playoffs. Not because Baker's great, although Bakers

1146
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: always had talent. Sam's had talent, but I think Darnald

1147
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: has a chance to be the Bakers story next year.

1148
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: Is just there's just too many good players here. I

1149
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: look at Dak and I think to myself, this Green

1150
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Bay young and good, Detroit young and good. Here comes Minnesota,

1151
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco rams I, Saquan Eagles. I my gut is

1152
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: in an offensive league, Dallas doesn't have enough punch. If

1153
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: I told you, ceedee lamb week eight goes down for

1154
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: a month and a half. This is not a playoff team.

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00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if I mean, maybe they draft a

1156
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: wide receiver high. But you know, sometimes you hit on

1157
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 2: them and they becomes a flowers and sometimes they become

1158
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Rager, right, or the dude the Chargers took. So

1159
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: it's it's a fifty to fifty coin flip ferguson the

1160
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: tight ends pretty damn good. But yeah, but you know, solid,

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00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, they they are very, very dependent,

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00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: and he's really on the two guys. And this is

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00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: why financially, I wasn't shocked at all when they signed nobody.

1164
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: Dak takes twenty three percent. They're paying to Marcus Lawrence

1165
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: a time. They gotta pay CD, they gotta pay Micah Parsons.

1166
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: No one takes care of his own guys that he.

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00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: Drafts like Jerry Jo's crazy.

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00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: They if they had space, people would be lined up

1169
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: to go there, but they never have any space because

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00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: he's overpaid. Now, luckily he's drafted pretty well, so a

1171
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: lot of Zach Martin's and Ceedee Lambs, and you know,

1172
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: you feel pretty good about a lot of the Michaeh Parsons.

1173
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: But you make a wrong decision on Zeke or all

1174
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: of a sudden you not only have no cap, you're

1175
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: missing like you don't have as many good players as

1176
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: you should. And now they lose Dan Quinn. Now they

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00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: get Mike Zimmer, But I'd say Dan's a little more positive.

1178
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: Mike's a little more old school negative. I get why

1179
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: Jerry likes him because he was there in the heyday

1180
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: with Dion, but that's something to keep an eye on him.

1181
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: And right there are two of I would put them

1182
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: just on a game to game basis defense. No one

1183
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: knows more defensive football now that Belichick's out of the

1184
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: league than those two guys. For this new generation that

1185
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: they are, they're old school. They they're a lot to

1186
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: handle for the twenty three year old kids. Unless you're

1187
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: coming from Nick Saban or Kirby. Some of these guys

1188
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: are like, what the hell is this? So it's it's

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot, all right? Free Agency Talk John Middlekoff,

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Speaker 1: former NFL scout. His podcast is three and out. Hope

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks break here to give John some time off.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what transpires in the NFL. But free agency

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Speaker 1: is over. I guess we're gonna start moving into the draft.

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Speaker 1: They'll be a hell. It's the NFL. There are no never,

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Speaker 1: never stopping. We get June is about it. NBA Talk

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