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Speaker 1: here with Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist insider, and now

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Speaker 1: the Sarai Kim, a Republican strategist. She has been everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It seems like you've really been everywhere in the past week.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's really important for those who don't

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Speaker 1: And as we have seen with Secretary Pompeio, you see

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Speaker 1: that would mean you mentioned Secretary. It's um chain of succession.

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Speaker 1: amazing interview, Kevin so much news. It was a team effort,

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Speaker 1: to succeed, America wants forties percent unemployment amongst the young people.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, Secretary Pompeio will go any day.

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Speaker 1: He'll probably put you in the jump seat with him. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonnait, and I think it would be a

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Speaker 1: conversation to occur. All right, I want to say thank

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Speaker 1: for letting us your expertise as well. Download the sound

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have continuing coverage of the second Democratic presidential debate.

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