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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Ed joints us. Now, you're three defensive players

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Speaker 1: all time. You get him for their entire careers and

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Speaker 1: they're healthy. Yeah, I'm gonna take the obvious two and

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Speaker 1: say Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and I'm gonna go I

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Speaker 1: thought about Ed Reid, I thought about Dion standers, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Charles Woodson because he could play corner

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Speaker 1: and safety and in addition to intercepting passes, he rushed

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and got sacks at an unusually high rate

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Speaker 1: for a defensive back. Okay, how great was Dion? Dion

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Speaker 1: was great. I mean he was He could play offense defense,

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Speaker 1: He returned the ball on special teams. He was unusual

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Speaker 1: because it was a defensive player with offensive instincts when

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Speaker 1: he got the ball in his hand. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: you talk to guys like you know, Troy Aikman who

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Speaker 1: played with him and against him. He was legitimately a

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Speaker 1: guy who created the question in the mind of a

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Speaker 1: quarterback as to whether you were willing to challenge Jim

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Speaker 1: on that side of the field. And the funniest thing

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Speaker 1: I remember about Dion was kind of toward the end

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Speaker 1: of his career in Dallas, there was a game on

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Speaker 1: a Sunday where Peyton Manning and the Colts and Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 1: They threw at him an inordinate number of times, like

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Speaker 1: ten times. And I had a previously scheduled sit down

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Speaker 1: with Dion that next week, and so I asked him

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Speaker 1: about this, and he said, Man, I ain't worried. I've

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Speaker 1: been out there on that island longer than Gilligan. Eddy laughed,

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Speaker 1: as you could imagine, and so did I. And as

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Speaker 1: I was leaving the room a few minutes later, having

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Speaker 1: finished the interview, he said, oh, man, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I said what he said. I wanted to say that

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Speaker 1: line for the playoffs. He was already thinking of what

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Speaker 1: lines he wanted to use at the Super Bowl. League.

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Speaker 1: Is Aaron Donald encroaching on REDGI white territory here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely. I think he's the most dominant defensive

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Speaker 1: player in the league right now. It has been for you,

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Speaker 1: almost his entire career. So without question, he's the most

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Speaker 1: feared defensive player in the NFL right now. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a great point. You don't I didn't really think

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Speaker 1: of guys who are currently playing, and I eliminated all

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Speaker 1: the guys that I never saw myself, so you know,

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Speaker 1: Deacon Jones and guys like that. I alluded the night

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Speaker 1: train lane, those guys who might have merited consideration from

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Speaker 1: a slightly older person, of which there are not many anymore.

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Speaker 1: When we look at players now, though, with Terrell Davis

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Speaker 1: getting in and being injured and having a six year career,

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Speaker 1: can you be a Hall of Famer after four years,

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Speaker 1: five years? I've never been a Hall of Fame voters,

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Speaker 1: so I don't really know what the cutoff is, but

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Speaker 1: I know that's a major consideration, is longevity of career,

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Speaker 1: although they've certainly made concessions not only for players but

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Speaker 1: even coaches. You know, recently, I was one of the

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Speaker 1: arguments against Jimmy Johnson was that he didn't coach long

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Speaker 1: enough to tambar at it. I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous argument in his case, and I think it for

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Speaker 1: the most part, longevity matters unless a player was just

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Speaker 1: incredibly dominant and that led to championship performances where otherwise

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Speaker 1: they would not have existed. So I think that's why

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Speaker 1: Jimy Johnson, Thorrell Davis get exceptions. But if you like

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, you win three Defensive Players of the Year

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Speaker 1: and let's say a five year period or J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt wins three like, is that enough where the voters

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Speaker 1: are going to go, that's an MVP, that that's a

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Speaker 1: whole of five. I don't think. I don't think those

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to win super Bowls like most

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Speaker 1: players would have to do. Because of the reason you decided,

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Speaker 1: I mean, to dominate at your position on a team

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Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough to get to a championship. I

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Speaker 1: think says an awful lot about those players too. The

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Speaker 1: biggest question in Dallas today is what well for a time,

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Speaker 1: how are they going to rebound from this um? This

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Speaker 1: was an epic disaster, even by their standards. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: acknowledged as much, you know, after the game, saying that

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Speaker 1: he couldn't remember being more disappointed that he didn't see

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Speaker 1: this coming. That when you have this collection of talent,

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Speaker 1: you have to win, and they didn't. Not only did

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Speaker 1: I mean this used to be a team that couldn't

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Speaker 1: get to the NFC championship, team couldn't get out of

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Speaker 1: the Divisional Rabbit. This team wins twelve games, has a

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Speaker 1: They were dominated at home. Only team to lose at

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Speaker 1: home in Wildcard Weekend Super Wildcard Weekend was the Cowboys. Well,

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Speaker 1: you tweeted this out that you know, the Cowboys win

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Speaker 1: total and point total was inflated by playing against bad

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Speaker 1: two defensive players who are impactful players. Well were they

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Speaker 1: impactful when they were playing against substandard teams? And that offense?

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Speaker 1: Was it good against substandard teams? And I think we

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Speaker 1: found out what the answer is here. You know, back

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Speaker 1: in the nineties, when the Cowboys were a dominant team,

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Speaker 1: if you looked at the NFC East, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms, you know any number of great players.

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Speaker 1: You know Darryl but why can't I think of his

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Speaker 1: name all of a sudden, Daryl Green, Reggie White, all

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Speaker 1: those guys were in that division. And so when you

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Speaker 1: made it through that, that meant something like you were

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Speaker 1: ready for anything at that point in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: this team went six and oh against the NFC's the

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Speaker 1: only team in the league that went undefeated its division.

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Speaker 1: The point differential in those games the Cowboys were plus

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three. They were six and six

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Speaker 1: including playoffs against non division opponents, not only not only

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Speaker 1: teams that weren't as good, but teams that they didn't

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Speaker 1: three plus thirty three in way more games. So and

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Speaker 1: if you look at it, you know they at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, McCarthy talked about, you know, playing

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Speaker 1: offensive confidence. In that final game against the Goals, while

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Speaker 1: the Eagles sat out like sixteen starters, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys scored fifty to one points and they were rolling

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs in field. But you know, look at

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Speaker 1: what happened to They scored forty three at the time

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Speaker 1: blosson next week, they scored fifty six against Washington that

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Speaker 1: next week, and then they scored fifty one against the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: I think they got an inflated sense of self and

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Speaker 1: they weren't nearly the dominant team that the division made

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Speaker 1: them appear to be. And then he had the coaching

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Speaker 1: situation here. I know that Jerry Jones, I guess, has

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Speaker 1: said that Mike McCarthy is coming back. You're the two

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Speaker 1: and I asked him directly about whether he would consider

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Speaker 1: him to flatly shut it down, and he didn't. He

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Speaker 1: it's really easy. If you ask any owner of a

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to address that right now.

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Speaker 1: Now Grand honors don't do interviews, but right it felt

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Speaker 1: put it in context. You know, Jerry Jones has been

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Speaker 1: or bought out every coach I've ever had in the

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Speaker 1: and and he goes on after that answer to basically say,

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Speaker 1: and we as a front office, we gave Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you just wanted

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Speaker 1: hasn't said yet that he's coming back, and with Stephen

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Speaker 1: And my understanding as McCarthy's going to speak to the

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Speaker 1: assuming he's decided he's going to keep Mike McCarthy and

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Speaker 1: let dan Quinn go. If he asked it, he said Warder,

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Speaker 1: he covers the NFL and for the Mothership, also covers

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Of course, you know, you start to look

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Speaker 1: And now it feels like the refs did this to us,

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Speaker 1: and you know that Dak didn't do this too. You

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Speaker 1: time management, clock management with Mike McCarthy. We've seen it before.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be surprised at any of this. You know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't buy the excuse of, hey, we practice this

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Speaker 1: and it just felt like we're letting Dak Prescott off

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Speaker 1: the hook a little bit, that that was a poor performance. Well, obviously,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it was entirely Dak Prescott's fault.

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Speaker 1: Do I think Dak, in his first year back from

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was. He was not the dual

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Speaker 1: this on Wednesday, the Rams. I might savor the Ram

429
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Speaker 1: I'm not making a pick yet. I think that's interesting.

430
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: I got to see if Kristin Works is out there.

431
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: I gotta see if Ryan Jentsen's out there. A lot

432
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Speaker 1: of us we will make bold predictions, and it's not

433
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Speaker 1: even that bold. It's a three point game. It's not crazy.

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Speaker 1: But I honestly don't know if the Rams win, if

435
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Speaker 1: the if Loonard Pournette's in there, and if the two

436
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Speaker 1: offensive women are there. So I need to see the

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Speaker 1: health status. I know that's taking the easy way out

438
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Speaker 1: on a win, but better story if the Bills advance

439
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Speaker 1: or the Chiefs advance. Better story, I think is the Bills.

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Speaker 1: And it's like I think it's it's about Josh Allen

441
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Speaker 1: really and how he's had to chip away yere per

442
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Speaker 1: year per year, and then this is the team that

443
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Speaker 1: got the best of the last year. I kept them away.

444
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Speaker 1: I think it's the Bills. I think last week they

445
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Speaker 1: finally buried, you know, one big dragon master that they've

446
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Speaker 1: had to deal with and as the Patriots for twenty

447
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Speaker 1: years in their division, and the Chiefs have gotten the

448
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Speaker 1: best of them in the playoffs last year in Arrowhead.

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Speaker 1: I think if the Bills are like I'll think about

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles for the Super Bowl. If either one of

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Speaker 1: these two fan bases do go on and beat the

452
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Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game contender from the Titans Bengals, I think

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Speaker 1: it would be really cool. I think you're going to

454
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Speaker 1: see a lot of Bill SAMs travel to Los Angeles.

455
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Speaker 1: It's a warm weather city and it's not going to

456
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Speaker 1: be like a small market team. I feel like Bill

457
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Speaker 1: SAMs come out and then of course the chief Says

458
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Speaker 1: show up wherever they go. So I think both of

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Speaker 1: these teams are great stories. Obviously, the Mahome story line

460
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Speaker 1: and hey, we're not done yet. But I think Buffalo

461
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Speaker 1: it's just kind of feeling like a destiny miracle season

462
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Speaker 1: and if they get there to Super Bowl in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Let's look at the options for the

464
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Speaker 1: Steelers to replace Ben Roethlisberger. Oh, by the way, t. J.

465
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Speaker 1: Watt was with us yesterday. He said, I still don't

466
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Speaker 1: know if he's retiring. You never told us anything, but

467
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Speaker 1: let's assume Ben is done. So if you're Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: what's plan A. I've heard a lot of rumors and

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Speaker 1: a lot of don't I think that I don't think

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Speaker 1: drafted the way to go with this veteran locker room,

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Speaker 1: with the Minka's and with the Watts and with Cam Hammard.

472
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're going to attend the rinks are rookie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Haskins has shown enough this year.

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Speaker 1: I certainly don't think Mason Rudolph has in the past

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Speaker 1: few years. So I would look at a veteran quarterback Llywood.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's necessarily Rogers or Wilson, but

477
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Speaker 1: there is that next here, and you're looking at names

478
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Speaker 1: who might be available, and it could be Garoppolo, it

479
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Speaker 1: could be Cousins, it could be Jameis Winston, it could

480
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Speaker 1: be a lot of names. But I think I would

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Speaker 1: look at that that it could be that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it could be Cousins or Garoppolo, as I said, but

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Speaker 1: it also could be guys that are maybe younger, and

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Speaker 1: it's a trabisky type or someone like that that hasn't

485
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Speaker 1: had that opportunity to ever, you know, start this season.

486
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Speaker 1: But he's still laying in the weeds and waiting to go.

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Speaker 1: So I look at all the veteran quarterbacks, but I

488
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Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna be able to land of

489
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Speaker 1: Russell or an Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson. Wow. Well,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how this all plays out, but it feels

491
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Speaker 1: like if Rogers leaves, they're going to make sure he

492
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Speaker 1: goes to an AMC team. If Russell leaves, they're going

493
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Speaker 1: to make sure he goes to an AMC team. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that sounds logical? It sounds about out right

495
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Speaker 1: to me. It doesn't. I don't want to facy that

496
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Speaker 1: one of those guys in the playoffs in both side.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling more and more that Rogers and Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: if you asked me a week ten, uh, you know

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Speaker 1: which teams are going forward? We could do the whole

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Speaker 1: Denver and car Line in Miami conversation. More and more,

501
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure either one of those guys has gone

502
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Speaker 1: just yet. And I think we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: next few weeks. Playoff member Russell said what he said

504
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Speaker 1: on your show last year around Super Bowl week, I

505
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Speaker 1: think it was, and that's when this whole thing started.

506
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: Ken Norton was fired yesterday. I'd keep an eye on

507
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Speaker 1: what's going on in Seattle next series, because they on

508
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Speaker 1: who tells you that they're plugged into Seattle. That might

509
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Speaker 1: have been the case when you know Paul Allen was

510
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: in charge and Pete Carroll was infallible and all this stuff,

511
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Speaker 1: Like no one talks to Jody Allen Leonner right now.

512
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: She's the sister of a Paul Allen and she's running

513
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Speaker 1: the show right now. And whether there have been conversations

514
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Speaker 1: with Pete and John Schneider and all those guys and

515
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Speaker 1: Russell that she's been having. I don't think the media

516
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Speaker 1: is plugged into that. So I'd say let's give it

517
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks here before we immediately assume Russell's

518
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Speaker 1: going or staying. You know, is somebody who gathers information,

519
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: how often do you question the person who's giving you

520
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: that information as to why they're giving you that information.

521
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good hit, right. I know I've

522
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Speaker 1: had a couple of misses, but I would like to

523
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Speaker 1: think that I'm not one who's easily led down the

524
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: wrong road for personal benefit, because that'll burn me forever.

525
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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going anywhere, and if you do,

526
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: you burn me. I'm pretty pretty clean with it that, hey,

527
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear me. The stuff that I

528
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: get a lot of smoke screens with is the NFL Draft,

529
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: and that's kind of understandable, and hey, we're not going

530
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: to mention this guy when we talk to you about

531
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Speaker 1: who we like and then they end up taking him,

532
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, you didn't mention it. Yeah, because

533
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: we wanted them. But this kind of stuff where it's

534
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: coaches being fired and coaching getting hired, I think everyone's

535
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: pretty spot on with me, and I usually i'm pretty accurate. Well,

536
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: it's like I got roughed up by a guy with

537
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: the NFL network when I had mentioned nobody was interested

538
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: in Carson Wentz and nobody was calling the Eagles, and

539
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: that person Philadelphia based, so probably wants to play nice

540
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: with the Eagles even though we know Carson Wentz. Nobody

541
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: wanted Carson Wentz other than you know, it was the

542
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: Colds and that was about it. I don't even know

543
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: if the cold's still wanting Pete. Yeah, and he saw

544
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Speaker 1: what Chris Ballard, their GM had to say. It wasn't

545
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: a rousing hey without but hey, they're tied onto him

546
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: now for three more years. They'd have to do some

547
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: really really creative creative And to your point, I think

548
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: after this year, after another year of it in him

549
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: not delivering in the final two weeks of the season,

550
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: I really don't know if there's a market for Carson went,

551
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: especially at the salary that he'd asked, all right, three

552
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: defenders all time from any teams now, any position, you

553
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: can have three from whatever generation you want. But tell

554
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: me who and why you would have? All right, can

555
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I give you? I give a question though, is it

556
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Speaker 1: am I taking any player from any individual season or

557
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: is it a breadth of their career? Because there are

558
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: guys that had great seasons individually that I would say

559
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I can't say in good faith I would take the

560
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: career Or are you saying just take any three? Yeah,

561
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: you get them their entire career, they stay healthy their

562
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: entire career. I'm going right across my defensive line. And

563
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: there is no disrespect to Champ Bailey or Dion or

564
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor or Derek Thomas. But I'm going Bruce Smith

565
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: on one end. I'm going Aaron Donald in the middle,

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00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: and I'm going Reggie White right next to him. Yeah. Uh,

567
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: all you need is a three man rush in a

568
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: situation like that, Peter good good luck, good luck getting

569
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: a pass off at those three. It doesn't push it

570
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: from the inside, Reggie inside or outside. And then Verse Smith,

571
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: who I think is criminally underrated when we talk about

572
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: great defensive players, like everyone brings up lt and everyone

573
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: brings up Reggie, but like brut Smith's and Derrick Thomas,

574
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: we're right up there with those guys every single suits

575
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: in the same generation. It doesn't matter who my secondary is.

576
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: If I've got those three guys up front, you pick

577
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Dennet's can be a secondary, sex secondary, We're good. We'll

578
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: roll up that. Yeah. I having seen Lawrence Taylor in

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Speaker 1: his prime, and I like just the image of watching

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00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: him play what he did and how teams game I

581
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: don't know if there's I don't know if team's game

582
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: plan for a defensive player like they did Lawrence Taylor.

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Speaker 1: He changed the NFL. I don't know how many of

584
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Speaker 1: the defensive players. You can say he changed the NFL,

585
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: but you know the way tight ends. You know what

586
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs did. You gotta have another guy, you got

587
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: a chip, you got a tight ends, got to help

588
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: the tackle. Like Lawrence Taylor changed the game with his

589
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: style and the accolador there. When you talk about the

590
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year as a rookie, you talk

591
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: about an m VT from the defensive nineteen eighty six,

592
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: the only player to do it in the last three

593
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Speaker 1: or four decades. I will be honest, though, and it's

594
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Speaker 1: not that I'm biased like Black. I told you I

595
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: was in college during the Tuck ro game. So do

596
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: the mat. I just miss Pete. Lt I got nineteen

597
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: nine d LT where he has the big strip of

598
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Roger Craig and the Giants are a great team. I

599
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: have that The later stage is like watching in person

600
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Reggie White dismant the defense offensive lines, and then watching

601
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: what Aaron Donald does in the real time, and then

602
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: knowing that over twenty years Bruce Smith compiled all those

603
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: sacks and just dominated weeknd week out. I'm going with

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Speaker 1: those three and it's nothing against lt I. Just I

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00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: wasn't alive and I wasn't watching when he's doing what

606
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: he's doing in the early eighties. Give me the surprise

607
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: result this weekend. Huh. The surprise result I think is

608
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco potentially going in there and bullying the Packards around.

609
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm picking them yet, but I

610
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: know Kyle Shanahan by no means is scared of coaching

611
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Speaker 1: staff of Mike Matt Lafloor, Joe Barry and Nathaniel Hackett,

612
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: three guys who's worked it before, and they have gotten

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Speaker 1: the best of Rogers in playoff games in the past.

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if this was one of

615
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Speaker 1: those where Steps comes in and just it's a low

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Speaker 1: scoring game and Rodgers has to pull up oubit out

617
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: of his hat and Bosa or Warner makes a play.

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Speaker 1: If they're healthy and they get it done, what do

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Speaker 1: you think the fallout would be if the Packers lost

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Speaker 1: the world is burning and good prating, So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Sam Amick, the senior NBA writer, said the sources the

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Speaker 1: Lakers head coach Frank Vogel's job in serious jeopardy despite

643
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: the Jazz win. They have a game tonight, which I

644
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: would lead me to believe is Frank Vogel's job still

645
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: in Jeopardy as they host the Pacers. Sam, good morning,

646
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Good morning Dan. Thanks for having me, sir. So is

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00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: his job in Jeopardy? It is for sure, you know.

648
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I to me, the human element Dan is like always

649
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: coming into play here. The emotions got really, really high

650
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: after the Denver loss, which shouldn't shock anybody, you know,

651
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: trailing by forty five at one point, losing by thirty seven. Yes,

652
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: you don't have Anthony Davis, but the Nuggets don't have

653
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. They don't have Bykeeporter Junr. So that was

654
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: as close as Frank had come to losing his job.

655
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I saw your segment earlier and your

656
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: two cents on why they wouldn't just fire him now,

657
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: and and you know you kind of got me to

658
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: make sure I have the answer to that question ready

659
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: for you. The truth is, I don't think they have

660
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: the faith in the rest of their coaching staff. You know,

661
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: David Fizdale is a former head coach and the kind

662
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: of guy who certainly has the chops to do it,

663
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: but there is a sense that in the collective, in

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Speaker 1: terms of the staff, they don't necessarily think that it

665
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: would put them in a better spot and to Frank's credit,

666
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Speaker 1: I know it's just one game, but that Utah game

667
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: was big because the mood was such that if those

668
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: players wanted to say goodbye to him and then all

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00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: they had to do was roll over, and they obviously

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00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't do that. Yeah, but if they lose tonight at

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00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: home to the Pacers, or you know, they go on

672
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: this road trip and they you know, no, I hear you,

673
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: for sure, it is going to continue to be tenuous.

674
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: But the Jazz game specifically, the Jazz game specifically is

675
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: like you have Lebron choosing in Denver to not address

676
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: the media, which is very unlebron like, and then he

677
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: later explained that he didn't want to say things that

678
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: he would regret, which kind of tells you how everybody

679
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: was feeling, from the front office to the players to

680
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the owner. Everybody's upset, and Lebron apologizes on Twitter, which

681
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: is not the kind of thing he typically does. Obviously

682
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: you have Magic out there tweeting. So all those things

683
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: thrown together made the Jazz win huge. But yeah, like

684
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: it's going to continue to be challenging and we'll see

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: where it goes. Okay, if they had lost to Utah

686
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Was he going to get fired? I

687
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: think it was a very very strong possibility depending on it.

688
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: Sounds funny, but the optics, yes, wins and losses matter.

689
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: If you lose by two and you play well and

690
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: still send the message I mean all throughout that game.

691
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: It's funny. A lot of the Lakers media corps and

692
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: my colleague Bill Lareen, who I obviously authored this story

693
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: with and others were tweeting about how the scary part

694
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: for the Lakers in that game is that they were

695
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: playing really well, but then they would fall behind and

696
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: you would start in real time asking that question of

697
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, how do you separate playing well versus winning?

698
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, I don't know for sure what

699
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: would have happened after the Utah game, but it was

700
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: extremely touch and go, and if they had been blown out,

701
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: then I think Frank probably would have been out. But again,

702
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: you have all these layers to it, right. You've got

703
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the fact that when Frank was in trouble before and

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking earlier in the season, like we reported, you know,

705
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Kurt Rambis, who's an advisor with the Lakers, had made

706
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: it clear to that coaching staff that they were in

707
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: a bad spot. Then Frank gets COVID, then he's out

708
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: for five games. You know, to me, one of the

709
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: interesting what if scenarios is, you know, David Fizzell ends

710
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: up going one and four during that stretch, and so

711
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: it's a small sample size, but as ownership in the

712
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: front office looks at it and asked the question of

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00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, if not this guy, then what are we

714
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: doing that that didn't paint a picture that it would

715
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: be rosier on the other side. And I think that

716
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is coming into play too. What is

717
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel not doing that is going to cost you? Mister?

718
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: He didn't build the team, right, No, I'm with you.

719
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the tricky part. You know this,

720
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: You've been doing it so long. The tricky part of

721
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: being the messenger on these types of stories is we're

722
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: certainly not endorsing the logic behind firing Frank. You know

723
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like we're relaying what's happening internally. But

724
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: opinion wise, I would one hundred percent fall into your side.

725
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Frank is a high level coach, a guy who, after

726
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: winning a championship I don't think deserved to have to

727
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: wait as long as he did for an extension. That

728
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: was curious and I think, you know, missing the mark

729
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: on the Lakers part. Then when he got the extension,

730
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: as we reported at the time, they only gave him

731
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: an additional year, so he's running through twenty twenty twenty three.

732
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: That was another sign that the ground beneath him wasn't

733
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: all that stable. So we kind of knew this going in.

734
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: And it then comes down to the old pro sports

735
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: adage of how you can't fire the players. You know,

736
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: I just covered this in my backyard and Sacramento Luke

737
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: Walton gets fired. Certainly he had made mistakes. The Kings

738
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: aren't any better for it, you know, they promoted Alvin Gentry.

739
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: But it's when the pressure reaches a point at these

740
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: different organizations that you feel like just something has to

741
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: be done. It's either the coaching change, or it's a

742
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: big trade or a GM loses his job. In this case,

743
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: you know that's not what's going to happen right now,

744
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: and trade deadline coming up quick, so maybe they can

745
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: find a way to improve around the edges and relieve

746
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: pressure elsewhere. Sam Amick, the senior NBA writer for the athletic.

747
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: If I gave the Lakers a duo over with Russell Westbrook, yeah,

748
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do it. And I think

749
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: in all my years of covering the league, one of

750
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: the more unique, if not you know, kind of a case.

751
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: All its own situations regarding the communication between the star players,

752
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: the front office, and the machinations behind how this trade

753
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: came to be are not conventional, meaning that you know,

754
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: as you know and a lot of people know by now,

755
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Westbrook had this strong desire to come play,

756
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: for the Lakers to come home, had made that clear,

757
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: had gone to Lebron James's house and met with Lebron

758
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis and talked about this vision. You know,

759
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: the front office ends up green lighting it, they end

760
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: up doing it, but you know, in doing so, they

761
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: had a Buddy Healed trade with Sacramento that was on

762
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: the brink of being done that ended up getting derailed.

763
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: So whether it's you know, turning back time and doing

764
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: the Buddy Healed trade to give you more shooting and

765
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: just you know, let Lebron and A d try to

766
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: repeat what they did in twenty twenty, I think they

767
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: would do it over again, because it's I think Russ

768
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: is in all time great He's an incredible player in

769
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: the right environment. You think that they would do this

770
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: deal again with Russ. No, I'm sorry. If it wasn't clear,

771
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do it. I think they

772
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: would know. I don't think they would do it, Okay.

773
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: I think what they're learning the hard way is, and

774
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm parroting the scouts that I've talked to about this,

775
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: is that Russ. The ceiling on how much Russ helps

776
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you is fairly low because you have Lebron James on

777
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: your team that you know he's not helping you off

778
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: the ball, and if Lebron got hurt Russ, you know,

779
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: knock on what he doesn't. Russ could be a savior

780
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: for the Lakers. He could be the kind of guy

781
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: that keeps them afloat, you know, and and wins them game.

782
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Was because then Russ could be Russ. That's what puzzled

783
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: me so much about his desire to make this move

784
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: in the first place. Then when he went from Houston

785
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: to Washington, the whole desire then was I'm tired of

786
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: sacrificing with James Harden and I want to go be

787
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Russ again, and Scotty Brooks, his old buddy from Oklahoma City,

788
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: was sitting there in the nation's capital, saying, let's do it,

789
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: let's go and they did it, and guess what, for

790
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: six months at the tail end of last season, the

791
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: optics around Russ were great again because he was fantastic

792
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: in that environment. He was a very good player, and

793
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: this one he just doesn't help them that much. I

794
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder about the supporting cast that they

795
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: have now and the supporting cast that they had when

796
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: Lebron got there with Ingram and Lonzo Ball. I mean,

797
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: I go back to Julius Randall. You can throw in

798
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: Kuzma in there. You know, if you said to Lebron, hey,

799
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: you can have a dwover here. We're full of duovers

800
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: here when he wanted to have those young kids with him. Now,

801
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: I know they rolled the dice. They got Anthony Davis,

802
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: they won a championship, But right long term, who's going

803
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: to help you win more championships? Anthony Davis or that

804
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: supporting cast that you got rid of. I mean, on

805
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: that one, I'm gonna say, Lebron does exactly what they did. Now,

806
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: would he love to have held onto one or two

807
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: more of those players, for sure, But a chip is

808
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: a chip, you know what I mean. And for him,

809
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, to get that fourth one, to do it

810
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: in a third market, with a third team gave him

811
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: a heel, another layer to his legacy that nobody can

812
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: ever take away. And you do get the sense Lebron

813
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: is challenging for me to even cover because the guy

814
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: works his tail off. You can't question the work ethic,

815
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: the way you know, prepares his body and competes, and

816
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: so he's still trying to play like Lebron, but you

817
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: do have a feeling like he's gonna give it his

818
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: best go. But because he got a championship with the Lakers,

819
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: you know that this is a successful chapter in his

820
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: and sure he would love to put another cherry on top.

821
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: So I don't think he would trade that that deal.

822
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: But for you know, you see Lonzo balling out in Chicago,

823
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, Brandon's become a very good player in New

824
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: Orleans and Kuzma doing his thing in DC. I mean,

825
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: those guys would help. And within all that, you're talking

826
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: about losing Alex Caruso prioritizing Taylor Horton Tucker, you know,

827
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: who's not having a very good year signing Kendrick Nunn

828
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: and this is just unfortunate. But you know he hasn't

829
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: even hit the floor yet because of injuries. So the

830
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: role players, as much as we talk about Russ, I mean,

831
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: the role players might even be a more relevant discussion

832
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. Is there a market trade market for

833
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. Yes, I'm somewhat surprised by you know, I

834
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: wrote last week about some of the concerns coming from

835
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: interested teams regarding you know, not only Ben's kind of

836
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: the the uncertainty around where his head is at, where

837
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: his game would be at, but even through all that,

838
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: there's a ton of interest. And you know, it's just

839
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: a matter of reading Moore's mind in Philly and trying

840
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: to find out does he actually want to get a

841
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: deal done before the deadline or is he's stalling to

842
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: get to this summer. You know, one of the growing subplots,

843
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: if you will, is you know, his desire to reunite

844
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 1: with James Harden again and do a sign and trade

845
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: with Brooklyn potentially. Um, you know, where does Joel Embiid

846
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: fit into all this? And so you know, you got

847
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: to be kind of a psychologist to figure this thing

848
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: out right now. But but you know, yeah, there's a market. Um.

849
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, our sham Sharani at the Athletic had had

850
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: pegged Sacramento, Portland, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota as the five leaders

851
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: in that clubhouse. Could be somebody else, But yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: I think a pretty robust market. Do you think it

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Speaker 1: gets done right now? I'm kind of I'm saying yes

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Speaker 1: because now I'm a little bit you know, hesitation is

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Speaker 1: that I'm guilty of listening to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: teams that want him. You know this, Admittedly, this is

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Speaker 1: get something done, like I haven't heard that. And and

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Speaker 1: the Ben Simmons people don't have total clarity either, though

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Speaker 1: they're quick to tell you all right if they don't

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Speaker 1: do a deal, like don't think Ben's coming back, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think my prediction would be he's He's

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Speaker 1: not going to play for them this season if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get traded. So that's where you've got to reconcile

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Speaker 1: with the big fellow, you know. Joel Embiid made headlines

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Speaker 1: the other day when he talked about the fact that

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Speaker 1: he didn't think they had urgency to make change right now,

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Speaker 1: basically supported the front office and their stance and kind

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Speaker 1: of created the appearance of patients on their side. And

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Speaker 1: that's where this stuff kind of gets fun, because the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks we're gonna filter through all that and

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Speaker 1: figure out what was fact and what was fiction. Congrats

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Speaker 1: on the story there, Sam, Thanks for joining us as always,

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Speaker 1: way appreciate it. You got it then, Thanks Sam Am

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Speaker 1: the senior NBA writer for The Athletic