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Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face.

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Speaker 2: There was some dark force that was trying to get

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Speaker 2: rid of us, and I felt that that force was

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Speaker 2: your dad. The first year was Melissa had went through

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Speaker 2: two fires. Then shortly after that we go camping and

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Speaker 2: then I heard a bear. He cleaned fish in front

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Speaker 3: And he was sleeping in the car.

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Speaker 2: The moment I walked in that house, I felt like

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Speaker 2: I wasn't alone, that there were spirits there, that I.

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Speaker 4: Was being watched.

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Speaker 2: And it was my first night in this new house.

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Speaker 2: I fall asleep a little bit, but then I'm awakened

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Speaker 2: by being touched. It's not a heavy touch, it's.

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Speaker 5: A light touch.

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Speaker 2: And so I laid on the hallway floor with a

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Speaker 2: light on, curled up in a ball, hoping that the

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Speaker 2: night would just go away fast. And in the morning,

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Speaker 2: my dad stepped over me and he said, why did

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Speaker 2: you fall asleep in the hallway And I said I

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Speaker 2: was being touched, Dad, And he said, oh, don't pay

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Speaker 2: any attention to them. They bothered me all the time

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Speaker 2: that night. Don't pay them any mind.

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Speaker 6: In the fight, in the fight with the sun, I

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Speaker 6: don't know shine oh sh oh.

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Speaker 4: Through a bond. Melissa and her father's share involves the

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Speaker 4: spirits they both claim to encounter. Even to this day.

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Speaker 5: It's not a fearful feeling.

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Speaker 7: It's almost a peaceful feeling that I have these I

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Speaker 7: have company with me. Okay, It's like they're all watch me,

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Speaker 7: so I'm now was like they're waiting for something to happen,

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Speaker 7: like who am I going to do next or something.

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Speaker 7: But it's almost like my company, and I can't get

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Speaker 7: rid of them. So I I have my own little

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Speaker 7: party in my own cell, and I'm all by myself,

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Speaker 7: but I've got all these apes spirs with me.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps these are her father's victims, or perhaps something else.

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Speaker 4: Could they be the manifestation of the psychopathy she fears

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Speaker 4: her father has passed on to her. To quote Edgar

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Speaker 4: Allan Poe, the boundaries which divide life from death are

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Speaker 4: at best shadowy, and they who shall say where one

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Speaker 4: ends and where the other begins. I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco,

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Speaker 4: and this is happy face. As we drove through her hometown,

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Speaker 4: military called her first real encounter.

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Speaker 2: My first experience with a spirit was when we lived

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Speaker 2: in Treli Park and Sela, Washington. A neighbor man was

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Speaker 2: remember looking up over the couch and seeing this white

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Speaker 2: being and it was protecting me.

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Speaker 4: So in a weird way, it was kind of normal

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Speaker 4: in your family. What did your dad talk to you about.

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Speaker 2: He would comment about seeing spirits as well, so I

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Speaker 2: felt that he understood what I was seeing. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: like an everyday conversation. Is just once in a while

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Speaker 2: he would talk about a supernatural event in his life.

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Speaker 2: There was a time where he was in a massive

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Speaker 2: car accident where his truck went off a cliff. Totaled

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Speaker 2: the semi truck and fell off the cliff, and he

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Speaker 2: said he saw spirits that were around him. But my

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Speaker 2: first memory of seeing anything was that was when I

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Speaker 2: was probably about four years old, seeing a white being

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Speaker 2: and it was hovering. I wonder if I would have

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Speaker 2: been harmed by the man that was watching me, and

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Speaker 2: maybe that being was protecting me, But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that works. But ever since I've

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Speaker 4: Your dad talked a lot in his first book with

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Speaker 4: Jack Oltson about the ghosts in Roberta's house. Oh really, Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What did he say that they tormented him? After Keith

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Speaker 4: left Melissa's mom. He moved in with his then girlfriend Roberta,

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Speaker 4: but he claims they shared her home with spirits. In

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Speaker 4: one of his conversations with al Carlyle, Keith even seems

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Speaker 4: to confirm the theory that perhaps these are his victims

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Speaker 4: and describes what he felt with Tanya Bennett Well.

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Speaker 5: I killed her. I felt like I felt like she

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Speaker 7: I felt like he just came right up in somebody,

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Speaker 7: Like I could feel she was right there, like asking

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Speaker 7: And you know, I don't think it frightened me because

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Speaker 7: I've been in a haunted house for two years almost

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Speaker 7: I felt this stuff before. I felt that I heard

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Speaker 7: someone hung themselves in the house. But I do feel

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Speaker 7: the spirit. I feel her when I think of her. Well,

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Speaker 7: I'm at night or something like that. I'm laying there

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Speaker 5: I think they're all sitting there waiting for me to go.

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Speaker 2: When I was at my dad's house at night, I

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Speaker 2: would feel like I was being watched and it was multiple.

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Speaker 2: There's multiple female spirits that I couldn't see them. I

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Speaker 2: just felt their presence. Not bad spirits, but they were

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Speaker 5: They were.

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Speaker 2: Like trying to get my attention. Nobody else would talk

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Speaker 2: to me about the spirits about my dad. I'm embarrassed

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Speaker 2: actually telling you about this because I'm thinking you guys

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Speaker 2: are going to think I'm crazy. But I truly I

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Speaker 2: actually hear them too. They talk sometimes and they don't

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Speaker 2: they're trying to convey and they don't need words for that.

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Speaker 7: The house is haunted, and that's from my understanding. I

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Speaker 7: actually felt it was too, because Roberta said it was.

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Speaker 7: It's sort of a mother and some strange things happen

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Speaker 7: in that house while I was laying there, and I

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Speaker 5: You'd see all this and that.

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Speaker 7: And so when after I killed Tanya, I kind of

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Speaker 7: like looked up and I yelled at the office and now,

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Speaker 7: you evil son of a bitch is now I'm the

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Speaker 7: most evil person in here. And not shut the fuck up,

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Speaker 7: leave me Alone's what I said.

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Speaker 5: And I have no problem with to goes after that.

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Speaker 4: From Melissa's perspective, her father's acceptance of spirits almost made

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Speaker 2: This is making me feel validated because it's something that

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid that people would think coming crazy.

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Speaker 4: After he murdered Tanya in that home, he told Roberta

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Speaker 4: that maybe the ghosts now would leave him alone because

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Speaker 4: they'd know what he's capable of.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. I know some serial killers collect souvenirs like

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Speaker 4: Or panties, or jewelry or hair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe my dad collected spirits.

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Speaker 4: As we gathered interviews for this story, a pretty distinct

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Speaker 4: theme began to appear, the appearance of ghosts. It was

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Speaker 4: a twist that honestly split our team for a variety

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Speaker 4: of reasons, but it was an undeniable one. People we

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Speaker 4: something sparked by psychosis, the manifestation of trauma, or spirituality

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Speaker 4: remains a question, but they were a shared experience for Keith,

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Speaker 4: Melissa and Julie's son Don. Here's Don with your mom.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever do refueler with you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I drive taxi now. I felt my mom in

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Speaker 8: the back of my cab. Even when it first happened,

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Speaker 8: and I had a girlfriend at the time. She didn't

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Speaker 8: believe in it, but she felt empties on the edge

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Speaker 1: My mom called me.

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Speaker 2: She called you.

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Speaker 8: They say, when the other side contacts you, they have

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Speaker 8: made peace. Shortly after the first set of trials, I

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Speaker 8: went back to San Diego. No one had my phone number.

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Speaker 8: I was living in a rental room with a bunch

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Speaker 8: of Mexicans that were legal workers doing tar roofing. One night,

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Speaker 8: I decided to answer the phone, Hello, sweetie. No one

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Speaker 2: Mom.

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Speaker 5: Mom.

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Speaker 8: I dropped the phone, curled up in a corner till daylight.

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Speaker 8: She's okay, Okay, my mother is at peace. Her and

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Speaker 8: my grandmother have come to see me in my dreams.

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Speaker 8: They came to see me, and I cried and they left.

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Speaker 8: They weren't there to make me cry. They were letting

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Speaker 4: For all of Keith's talk about the ghosts of his victims,

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Speaker 4: somewhere inside he feared them for what they really could

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Speaker 4: be a manifestation of his own evil. Even in jail,

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Speaker 4: he couldn't escape Tanya or the rest of his victims.

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Speaker 7: Did that seem real to you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it does seem real.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel her presences? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I felt I feel it myself. I feel it all

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Speaker 7: the time though. I feel everyone, everyone i've killed, I feel.

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Speaker 5: I've heard that from others talk about it. It's just

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Speaker 7: It's like I feel if I turn around fast enough,

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Speaker 7: I can see him right behind me. Now they're guiding

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Speaker 7: me right now, I think is that they're They're just there.

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Speaker 7: I mean, everywhere I go, they're there.

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Speaker 5: They're waiting for me to die so that I can

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Speaker 5: be in their world. That's what I can do. I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're going to rule my rules because by that time, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think they're going to have control of where they're

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Speaker 4: For Melissa and perhaps for Dawn, the ghosts serve as

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Speaker 4: a way to process their trauma or alleviate the magnitude

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Speaker 4: They both haunt and hunt him, and to exercise his demons,

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Speaker 4: he attempted to purge them on paper.

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Speaker 2: Letters have definitely been a theme, you know, with my

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Speaker 2: send us letters. He would send us postcards, and that's

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Speaker 2: his way of communicating with me and my siblings while

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Speaker 2: he was on the road as a truck driver. So

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Speaker 2: I'd have all these postcards and letters from all these

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Speaker 2: different destinations and I would look forward to them. Then

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Speaker 2: my father was caught by writing a letter, a confessional

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Speaker 2: letter to my uncle and grandfather. Then when he was arrested,

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Speaker 2: he starts writing to their agonian and then after that

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Speaker 2: he continues to write letters to me and tries to

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Speaker 2: media outlets, and he writes letters to want to be

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Speaker 2: writers and biographers. He keeps using letters to be his

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Speaker 4: When speaking about his letter to the Oregonian, Jessperson almost

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Speaker 4: makes it seem altruistic to free two innocent people, but

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Speaker 4: he's unable to con heal his narcissism.

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Speaker 7: The gut feeling I had when I wrote that smiley

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Speaker 7: faced letter and send it to him that I shouldn't

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Speaker 7: do it, but I said, I'm gonna do it because

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to get those two people out, or I'm

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Speaker 7: trying to stir up a horner sense to get these

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Speaker 5: That's when I why did you care?

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Speaker 7: I didn't think it was right that two people could

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Speaker 7: take the blame be prosecuted for my murder. I figured

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Speaker 7: that I was responsible for that. Nobody should be able

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Speaker 7: to take that responsibility from me. And then I it's

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Speaker 7: it's kind of funny in a way that here mccoldblood.

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Speaker 5: And murdered they had.

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Speaker 7: I'm worried about two people in president during my time.

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Speaker 5: It it makes sense.

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Speaker 7: Uh hm when you say I didn't want them to

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Speaker 7: take that responsibility away, what do you mean, Well, it

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Speaker 7: was my murder, Yeah, my body count. It was like

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Speaker 7: my victim, she hangs around me. She's not hanging around them.

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Speaker 7: She's hanging around me, and they're like, we're inter wound.

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Speaker 9: We were kind of like.

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Speaker 7: And the fact that I did eight at the end

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Speaker 5: That was mine.

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Speaker 4: He wrote a confession letter to his brother after Julie's murder,

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Speaker 5: Why take a chance by confessing to him the notes.

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Speaker 1: The letters?

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Speaker 5: Well, I had to.

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Speaker 5: That was my suicide note. I was going to let

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Speaker 7: I said I'd killed Julie in the truck, then tried

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Speaker 7: I felt lost at that time. I was not feeling myself.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I have to end it. I can't

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Speaker 5: so your family wouldn't know that.

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Speaker 7: Well, when I was arrested, when I turned myself in,

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Speaker 7: I thought I could just call my brother up and say,

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Speaker 10: The letter, destroy the letter, and that way I'll just confess.

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Speaker 5: To the one murder. And I told him all the

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Speaker 5: phone there's nothing to the letter. It's all bullshit, right,

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Speaker 5: so just leave it at that.

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Speaker 10: And I figured I'd just confess to the one murder

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Speaker 10: and I'd be the end of that and I'd get

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Speaker 10: out in fifteen twenty years after doing Manjuan or Man two?

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Speaker 2: Or were you clearing your conscience when you put the

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Speaker 5: I'd be good a good aspect to it.

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Speaker 4: Keith's letter to his brother led to his confession to

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Speaker 7: I come to the realization that I was going to

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Speaker 7: be convicted anyway. Like I wanted to kill myself though

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Speaker 7: the truth wouldn't come out. But now that I was

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Speaker 7: you know, I said I should face my problem. The

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Speaker 7: and I said I did it. I confessed to it.

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Speaker 7: I confessed to the one murder. I never said I

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Speaker 7: confessed to all of them only after my attorney came

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Speaker 7: over and he showed me the letter that my brother

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Speaker 7: deal with all of them. That was the clincher.

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Speaker 4: Keith also waged a nearly year long letter war with Less,

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Speaker 4: and forth, blame to declarations of love.

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Speaker 1: From I the creation of a serial killer by Jack Olsen.

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Speaker 4: The letter from Less, the last letter you sent me

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Speaker 4: was full of bitterness and resentment. It left me with

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Speaker 4: writing that letter. I have never reprimanded you for your

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Speaker 4: terrible crimes. I have forgiven you and have asked the

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Speaker 4: Lord to forgive you. Also, you have to admit you

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Speaker 4: put your family through one hell of a mess.

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Speaker 1: Letter from Keith. Dad.

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Speaker 9: I do two hours in the morning of classes, so

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Speaker 9: if I get out of prison, I won't do this again.

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Speaker 9: The class is called anger Management, deals with the way

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Speaker 9: I was raised and the punishment dished out to me

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Speaker 9: the wooden spoon, and the fist and the backhand and

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Speaker 9: the verbal abuse. Under the program, we have the prison

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Speaker 9: pointing into your corner on why I'm here and why

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Speaker 9: I turned out.

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Speaker 1: To be a serial killer. But that's all right, Dad,

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Speaker 1: I still love you.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Melissa wrote her father after his arrest, and he

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Speaker 4: wrote her back. He was hurtful and planted seeds in

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Speaker 4: her mind that would fester and make her wonder for

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Speaker 4: decades if she was like him, that his evil could

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Speaker 4: also be inside of her somewhere. Her husband Sam would

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Speaker 4: often read Keith's letters to act as a filter to

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Speaker 4: protect Melissa from their worst content.

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Speaker 11: I think periodically she would get a letter from him,

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Speaker 11: read it because she didn't want to be impacted by

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Speaker 11: his words because he was so cruel. I would read

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Speaker 11: them and then I would kind of decipher what I

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Speaker 11: that weren't needed.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like I read things verbatim.

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Speaker 5: Back to her.

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Speaker 11: I literally just kind of filter through and then go,

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Speaker 11: this is what he said, or this is what I

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Speaker 11: think might matter why. I don't think she really wanted

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Speaker 11: still stay connected to him because.

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Speaker 5: It was her dad.

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Speaker 4: And what was your take on the personality behind those letters?

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Speaker 4: You said cruel?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he was strange, weird, like inappropriate. He made some

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Speaker 5: For sure.

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Speaker 11: He was always kind of condescending too, and always trying

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Speaker 11: to tell Melissa that she was I don't think he

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Speaker 11: thinks she's that smart, or he feels like it's his

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Speaker 11: job to make her feel not smart. He was never

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Speaker 11: very kind, never loving by any means.

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Speaker 4: Over the years, Melissa received many letters from Keith, and

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Speaker 4: many of them remained unready.

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Speaker 2: They just collect. As you can see, they're old. And

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Speaker 2: now I'm wondering if these are more honest than actually

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Speaker 2: meeting him in person, that if these are the true

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Speaker 2: his true confessions, like a diary versus what he would

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Speaker 2: say to my face. I don't know why I collect them.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I throw them away when they come in the mail,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes I just save them, maybe because I'm not

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Speaker 2: ready to read them when I receive them, but maybe

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Speaker 2: I think that I'll be ready to read them another time.

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Speaker 2: And so nine, dear Melissa, I'll let you in on

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Speaker 2: a secret you should be well aware of by now,

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Speaker 2: but haven't come to understand just yet. It matters little

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Speaker 2: what the real truth is. When telling stories in the press,

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Speaker 2: you see most people reading those press reports don't know

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Speaker 2: get them the story. Therefore, they read it and believe

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Speaker 2: they are getting the truth, or as close to it

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Speaker 2: as they can get. It is of entertainment value. People

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Speaker 2: read it to pass the time. People write to throw

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Speaker 4: It's to sell.

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Speaker 2: It's to get enough to believe them and not the

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Speaker 2: other guy. Does it matter that Angelusa Breeze was alive

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Speaker 2: matter that I plan to kill Laura and Pentland hours

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Speaker 2: before I drove her to Wilsonville just to see her.

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Speaker 2: Does it matter that when I drove into the rest

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Speaker 2: the first one I saw. Does it matter that every

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Speaker 2: victim to come to me after Claudia was going to

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Speaker 2: kill them. My story is the story I wanted to

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Speaker 2: tell the truth, according to Keith, the story to sell

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Speaker 2: to the public. But apparently it won't sell because people

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Speaker 2: such as sick, perverted, bloodthirsty monsters like publishers and true

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Speaker 2: crime writers and victims and their people want to read

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Speaker 2: about it, the gore, the thought process to why I killed.

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Speaker 2: They want to tell a morbid tell to put me

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Speaker 2: their books. But Dad, you're not telling the truth. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you a story.

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Speaker 4: Must know it all.

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Speaker 5: Neither are you.

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Speaker 2: I know you think you can say anything you want

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Speaker 2: and it will be published because you are the victim here.

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Speaker 2: You are a killer, yourself called so because you killed

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Speaker 2: still murder, killing a baby that could have lived and

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Speaker 2: not had one thing to do with why she was born.

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Speaker 2: Are you caring what I did and holding it high

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Speaker 2: to tell.

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Speaker 4: The world, Hey, look at me.

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Speaker 2: I'm the daughter of the happy face killer. I'm a

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Speaker 2: victim here. But it seems now that you want the

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Speaker 2: world to know who you are, not Melissa Moore, but

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Speaker 2: the daughter of the happy face killer. I've created a

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Speaker 2: a victim. He wrote what you say and believe it

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Speaker 2: even though it isn't true. You know this. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He's insane and that.

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Speaker 2: This is why I don't read these fucky letters.

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Speaker 1: This is why I don't read them.

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Speaker 5: Don't you understand? This is why I don't read them.

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Speaker 4: Just what he says it doesn't make it true. Just

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Speaker 4: because he writes it doesn't make it true. It's not true.

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Speaker 4: You know I have him. The letters had undoubtedly opened

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Speaker 4: old wounds that had never fully healed. It also seems that,

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Speaker 4: having read the letters that he sends you, that this

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Speaker 4: is an incarcerated man who is still inflicting violence with words.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's just emotional abuse. It's verbal abuse through the

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Speaker 2: written form. So words are his weapon of choice now

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Speaker 2: I would say words are his weapon instead of his

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Speaker 4: Judging from Melissa's reaction, Keith appears to have known exactly

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Speaker 2: That I'm just like him? He said, I'm just like him.

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Speaker 2: He has told me for years growing up, and then

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Speaker 4: I believed it. And what would that have meant in

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Speaker 2: It means I'm a horrible person. It means I'm a murderer,

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Speaker 2: I'm a monster. I am not human, I am I

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Speaker 4: And what's your greatest fear? About your mind.

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Speaker 2: Genetically, that I am wired to be like my dad,

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Speaker 2: that I'm genetically created.

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Speaker 3: A clone of my father. I look like my father,

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Speaker 3: I smile like my father. My eyes are my father,

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Speaker 3: my insides match my dad too? Everything that I am

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Speaker 2: I thought I was choosing to live against my nature

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Speaker 2: that my nature was a psychopath and my nature was

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Speaker 4: And then you look in your children's faces, and what

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Speaker 2: I see my dad's hair, my son. I see my

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Speaker 2: There's so much, you know that's ruda to my dad,

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Speaker 2: and I see him everywhere.

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Speaker 4: there with her, speaking through his letters.

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Speaker 2: And he knew everything. He knows all my fears, and

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Speaker 2: he put all my insecurities on two pages of paper.

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Speaker 2: And I wasn't prepared to read his words, and it

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Speaker 2: you need a doctor, and tomorrow I'm going to go

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Speaker 5: Can tell me the truth?

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Speaker 4: In the next Happy Face, Melissa's Petscan brings her face

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Speaker 4: to face with a neuroscientist who understands psychopathy on a

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Speaker 12: There's a whole other part of psychopathy, which are these

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Speaker 12: positive or pro social, pro social traits. It makes sound

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Speaker 12: like you're really nice to be around everything. It just

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Speaker 12: means that you can navigate through society and everybody thinks

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Speaker 12: you're okay. So it makes you more dangerous than one says.

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Speaker 12: So you have these pro social traits. People with just

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Speaker 1: Happy Faces of Production of How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 9: Executive producers are Melissa Moore, Lauren Brde Pacheco, Mangesha Ticketur,

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Speaker 9: and Will Pearson. Supervising producer is Noel Brown. Music by

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Speaker 9: Claire Campbell, Paige Campbell and Hope for a Golden Summer.

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Speaker 9: Story editor is Matt Riddle. Audio editing by Chandler Mays

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Speaker 9: and Noel Brown. Assistant editor is Taylor Chicoigne. Special thanks

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Speaker 9: to Phil Stanford, the publishers of the Oregonian newspaper, and

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Speaker 9: the Carlisle family.