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Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: Sander Shamplain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on
Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death
Speaker 1: on each epoch, So we'll discuss the reasons we now
Speaker 1: know that our loved ones have survived physical death, and
Speaker 1: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Near
Speaker 1: death experiences are something that intrigue everyone, although stories are different.
Speaker 1: Because I think for as many people as have ever
Speaker 1: lived on this Earth. We each have a different story
Speaker 1: of how life is and how death is. Death is
Speaker 1: unique to each one of us with some similarities. But
Speaker 1: today I want to introduce you to Pat Johnson, who
Speaker 1: had a near death experience while kayaking. Pat is a
Speaker 1: very active member in IAN'S, which is the International Association
Speaker 1: for Near Death Studies i A n d S dot org.
Speaker 1: You can find out more, Pat, and warm welcome to you. Thanks,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it that you're very kind. Well you
Speaker 1: are too to take a really horrific situation and now
Speaker 1: be on the other side to be able to serve
Speaker 1: mankind telling your story, well, we really appreciate it, you
Speaker 1: bet And and you know I love the opportunity to share,
Speaker 1: not not necessarily my story of my m D, but
Speaker 1: I love the opportunity to share the lessons and the
Speaker 1: messages that I received and and what it's meant to
Speaker 1: me in my life and what what I hope it
Speaker 1: can bring to other people's lives. Well, if you would
Speaker 1: share your story, Pat, and I know you're coming to
Speaker 1: us today from Texas. Well, Uh, I live on the
Speaker 1: Blancover River. It's a river that flows in central Texas
Speaker 1: in the Hill Country. I'm located between Austin and San Antonio. Kayak.
Speaker 1: I usually go up the river about oh eight or
Speaker 1: ten miles and kayak back to my house and and
Speaker 1: that's my typical trip. And occasionally I'll go um south
Speaker 1: of my house and go downstream, which is a longer trip,
Speaker 1: maybe eighteen miles or twenty miles. I hadn't done it
Speaker 1: a long time, and so I had a friend that
Speaker 1: was working at the South Pole at the time, and
Speaker 1: he had called me and and and you know, we
Speaker 1: always much for the river conditions to be right, and
Speaker 1: it just so happened when he called me this week
Speaker 1: that we had had some rain and the river was
Speaker 1: up and flowing really fast. So that was when we
Speaker 1: like to go. So I asked him, I said it
Speaker 1: was Bobby humph for his childhood friend of mine. I
Speaker 1: asked Bobby to come up and spend the weekend with
Speaker 1: me and take the longer trip. And uh, he came up.
Speaker 1: And he's just a great outdoorsman and travel and adventured
Speaker 1: all over the world, so he's a perfect partner for
Speaker 1: for a kayaking trip. And we started out. This is
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning, September twelve, two thou ten and the
Speaker 1: river was up probably about two ft over normal. So
Speaker 1: if you're an adventure and you like the thrill of
Speaker 1: the big rapids, it's a good time to go. So
Speaker 1: we had it out and UH beautiful day, you know,
Speaker 1: crystal clear skies with a little white, plessy puffy clouds.
Speaker 1: And about two thirds of the way into the trip,
Speaker 1: we're crossing a low water crossing. I hit the top
Speaker 1: of the bridge and it turned my kayak sideways and
Speaker 1: I dropped off my kayak and the water was real
Speaker 1: calm on the surface, so I didn't suspect anything other
Speaker 1: than that. I just dropped off the kayak and then
Speaker 1: swim over to the shallow water and get back in
Speaker 1: kayak and continuing with the trip. As I went into
Speaker 1: the water, I got about not quite waist deep, and
Speaker 1: I just felt like the jolly green giant had reached
Speaker 1: up and grabbed me by the ankles and yanked me
Speaker 1: under the water. And at this point I knew I
Speaker 1: was getting sucked into something. A few years prior to this,
Speaker 1: I was in a near a low water crossing and
Speaker 1: there was a washout under the bridge that was a
Speaker 1: natural washout, and I'd gotten a leg and my legs
Speaker 1: sucked into this washout, which was a small hole. You know,
Speaker 1: I just bruised and scraped my leg but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: no no damage. But I was aware of these washouts
Speaker 1: being under an of these bridges, and so that's what
Speaker 1: I thought was happening. I thought I was getting washed
Speaker 1: into one of these these washouts. And there's nothing I
Speaker 1: could do. I mean, obviously, when when we got that
Speaker 1: much pull against you, you know, you can't swim against
Speaker 1: or fight it. The only thing I could hope for
Speaker 1: was that my my feet would hit a solid surface
Speaker 1: and I'd be able to pull my way out of
Speaker 1: it or walk my way out of it. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: since I'm at this point, I'm completely submerged underwater. And
Speaker 1: uh about that time, I filled these bumps on the
Speaker 1: tops of my hands and I recognized it immediately. I
Speaker 1: had been sucked into a corgated pipe underneath this bridge
Speaker 1: that that I was unaware of it being there. I
Speaker 1: was able to push my hands up and push my
Speaker 1: feet down, and I was able to stop myself inside
Speaker 1: the pipe. And I looked over my shoulder and it
Speaker 1: was total darkness behind me. So I'd grown up, you know,
Speaker 1: shooting through these pipes as a kid and a teenager,
Speaker 1: and and when we would do it, we typically we
Speaker 1: run an inner tube through there. And we never went
Speaker 1: through a pipe that didn't have an airspace and it
Speaker 1: and this one was completely submerged. But what you'll find
Speaker 1: in some of these pipes is you'll find an obstruction
Speaker 1: from either rocks or our metal post or branches, barbed wire,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing that gets sucked into these pipes
Speaker 1: and get stuck in there. And so I knew that
Speaker 1: that if I let go and I went through the
Speaker 1: pipe and there was an obstruction on the other end,
Speaker 1: that you know, that'd be it. You know that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to make it out. So I felt
Speaker 1: like my only hope was going forward the way I
Speaker 1: came in, and I was probably about ten or twelve
Speaker 1: feet into the pipe, and so I just started pushing
Speaker 1: with everything I had. I was making these little tiny steps,
Speaker 1: probably two to four inches at a time. I was
Speaker 1: moving forward because of the pressure on the water was,
Speaker 1: you know, was so strong against my body. And as
Speaker 1: I'm in there, all of my instinct are, all my
Speaker 1: senses were, We're just heightened just incredibly. I could I
Speaker 1: felt like I could feel every drop of water going
Speaker 1: across my body, and I felt like I could see
Speaker 1: every every little tiny speck of dust or dirt that
Speaker 1: passed by me in the water. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: could hear every sound. And I just started pushing forward.
Speaker 1: And you know, at that time, all I could think
Speaker 1: about was I was just surviving, and I was thinking
Speaker 1: about my wife and kids, and I was praying, and
Speaker 1: that was it. You know, It's just just down to
Speaker 1: the very the very most basic thoughts are the very
Speaker 1: most basic parts of your of your core, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm pushing forward. I make it to the end
Speaker 1: of the pipe. The bridge had about about eight or
Speaker 1: ten inches of water across the top of it was
Speaker 1: falling across the top of the bridge at the time.
Speaker 1: And so I made it to the end of the pipe,
Speaker 1: and I was able to get my hands on the
Speaker 1: outside of the pipe, and I was trying to pull
Speaker 1: push myself out of the pie. But at the at
Speaker 1: the front of the pipe, the water was stronger and
Speaker 1: I couldn't get any part of my body. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get my head out, I couldn't get my shoulder out. Uh.
Speaker 1: The only thing I was able to get out of
Speaker 1: the pipe was just my arm, and so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what I need to do
Speaker 1: to come, you know, get myself out of that pipe.
Speaker 1: The pipe is probably three or four ft under the water.
Speaker 1: And about this time I see my friend Bobby, his
Speaker 1: hand reaching down through the water towards me. The water
Speaker 1: was was murky because it had been flooding that week,
Speaker 1: but it was you know, it wasn't so dirty that
Speaker 1: you couldn't see. There was probably it was probably about
Speaker 1: six ft of decent visibility and then clouding visibility. After that,
Speaker 1: I reach up and I grabbed Bobby's hand. Always tell
Speaker 1: people that when I grabbed Bobby's hand, there's nothing that
Speaker 1: replaces the feel of the touch of another human being.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I touched Bobby's hand, you know, just
Speaker 1: gave me hope and it um you know, I knew
Speaker 1: I w wasn't alone, and so he was one of
Speaker 1: his hands and knees on top of the bridge and
Speaker 1: hanging on with one hand and on his knees and
Speaker 1: reaching down with the other hand. Grabbed his hand and
Speaker 1: I thought, this is all I need, you know, just
Speaker 1: that little legs for pulling them out of here. I
Speaker 1: pushed up as hard as I could and pulled on
Speaker 1: Bobby's hand at the same time. And when I did that,
Speaker 1: our hands came apart. I lost grasp with Bobby's hand
Speaker 1: in our hands uh separated, and and when that happened,
Speaker 1: I lost my grip with my other hand, and I
Speaker 1: got pushed back into the pipe a second time, and
Speaker 1: this time I didn't go back into the pipe quite
Speaker 1: as far. I was probably only about six ft into
Speaker 1: the pipe the second time, and I started pushing forward
Speaker 1: again because I knew I could make it to the
Speaker 1: front of the pipe and already did it once. But
Speaker 1: my concern was, as I've been underwater for a long
Speaker 1: time at this point, I didn't know how much longer
Speaker 1: I could hold my breath. And I started pushing forward
Speaker 1: and I made it about maybe maybe a couple of feet,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I just felt like like
Speaker 1: I was encapsulated. I just felt like a bubble surrounded
Speaker 1: me and everything. The water just seemed to be in
Speaker 1: slow motion. It wasn't hazy like I was blacking out.
Speaker 1: It was it was very I had a very conscious
Speaker 1: thought of it, and it was very clear, but the
Speaker 1: sound got quieter. I didn't. It's like I didn't even
Speaker 1: feel the water touching my skin. And just in that moment,
Speaker 1: I knew that everything was where it was supposed to be,
Speaker 1: Everything was right with the world, and there was nothing
Speaker 1: to worry about, that everything would be taken care of,
Speaker 1: and I just was overwhelmed with the sense of peace.
Speaker 1: There was no fading. It was just in an instant,
Speaker 1: like turning off a light switch. I went from conscious too,
Speaker 1: unconscious as far as the physical part goes at the
Speaker 1: spiritual or not the conscious, but but the physical body
Speaker 1: went unconscious. And when that happened, my immediate thought was, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I went in to a different place.
Speaker 1: And the place that I went to, I felt like
Speaker 1: it was kind of in a like a hallway, but
Speaker 1: not quite like a hallway, some like like maybe the
Speaker 1: combination of a hallway and a in a cave. Because
Speaker 1: of the floor was like black marble. It was just
Speaker 1: like a shiny black black marble. Into the left of me,
Speaker 1: and overhead of me there was a wall, but it
Speaker 1: was it was it was kind of rigid like you'd
Speaker 1: see on the wall of the cave, but it was
Speaker 1: it was soft. It was like covered with felt or velvet,
Speaker 1: but it was black, just black, and off to the
Speaker 1: right of me, it was just openness. It was it
Speaker 1: was just like it was endless darkness, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was such a darkness. It was a kind of
Speaker 1: darkness that you could stick your hand out too and
Speaker 1: and lose sight of your hand. It was that kind
Speaker 1: of dark. And in front of me, at a distance
Speaker 1: of if I had to guess, it felt like it
Speaker 1: was maybe sixty or seventy yards in front of me,
Speaker 1: there was what looked like a blue stained glass window
Speaker 1: with a hole in it, but not around hole. It
Speaker 1: was a hole, a whole like somebody had thrown a
Speaker 1: rock through a piece of glass. And behind it was
Speaker 1: this bright, bright, white light. It was a white light,
Speaker 1: and and it kind of had a it kind of
Speaker 1: looked like a klanoscope because it was it was dimming
Speaker 1: and and brightening, you know, and changing patterns a bit.
Speaker 1: And the edges of the broken glass, that's only way
Speaker 1: I can describe it, had rays of light coming off
Speaker 1: of it which were reflecting off the floor and shining
Speaker 1: on the walls. Pat we have to go into our
Speaker 1: first break, and when we come back, we'd love to
Speaker 1: hear more about your experience and it sounds scary, but
Speaker 1: it also sounds like there's some possibility for a much
Speaker 1: bigger view of life coming. So we'll be back in
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 1: and we are with Pat Johnson talking about his near
Speaker 1: death experience. And Pat, when you last were speaking, you
Speaker 1: were telling us that you're under the water and your
Speaker 1: kayak trapped and you felt yourself in a hallway slash
Speaker 1: cave with a magnificent stained glass window cracked and you
Speaker 1: were seeing a bright light. What did you sense next? Immediately?
Speaker 1: I felt connected to an indescribable number of souls. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how how I know that, I just
Speaker 1: know it. And my first thought is, man, you gotta
Speaker 1: be bad not yet to come here, because I felt
Speaker 1: like I was where I was supposed to be, and
Speaker 1: I just knew there was multitudes of souls with me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I'd been that good a person.
Speaker 1: But I felt like I was there where, you know,
Speaker 1: where we're supposed to go when we leave this place.
Speaker 1: And the second thought that I had, or the second
Speaker 1: feeling that I got, our awareness that I got, was
Speaker 1: I felt like my kids and my wife would be
Speaker 1: walking I felt like I could look over my shoulder
Speaker 1: and my kids and my wife would be walking in
Speaker 1: right behind me. And I think that might be something
Speaker 1: to do with our distortion of time, you know, between
Speaker 1: here and there. And I thought about it many times,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe that's part of the piece that
Speaker 1: I had, because if I leave them thirty four years,
Speaker 1: in terms of what we know as time on Earth,
Speaker 1: would maybe only be a like a snap of the fingers,
Speaker 1: you know. On the other side, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: felt no connection to my body. I just felt the
Speaker 1: relaxation like I've never felt before. I had my consciousness,
Speaker 1: and I I had my awareness. But you know, even
Speaker 1: as relaxed as we get here on Earth, you know,
Speaker 1: we can still fill our clothes touching us or maybe
Speaker 1: even air touching us. But there there was it was
Speaker 1: just total relaxation with with no hurts or eggs or
Speaker 1: just no sense of a body. I wanted to get
Speaker 1: to the light. I was wanting to get to a
Speaker 1: light as quick as I could. But I was being
Speaker 1: drawn to the light, just gradually drawn to the light,
Speaker 1: not at not at my speed. And I'm sure as
Speaker 1: people can relate to this. It's kind of like in
Speaker 1: a dream where where you're being pulled along slowly and
Speaker 1: you don't have control of of your movement. And that's
Speaker 1: what it was like. And as I got closer to
Speaker 1: the light, what was giving the light the kaleidoscope effect?
Speaker 1: There were people walking back and forth in front of
Speaker 1: the light, very calmly, walking left, right, right to left,
Speaker 1: and I was getting closer to him, but the light
Speaker 1: was so bright behind them, all I could see was
Speaker 1: silhouettes and I could never recognize any of the people.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see who they were, but I never
Speaker 1: got recognition of who they were. And as I approached
Speaker 1: the light and I got closer to the people, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt this overwhelming love and acceptance. I woke up
Speaker 1: and when I woke up, I was staring at the
Speaker 1: water I was on, you know, these rocks were below me,
Speaker 1: and there was maybe four or five inches of water
Speaker 1: covering the rocks, and I was going towards the rocks
Speaker 1: and being pulled back away from the rocks. And the
Speaker 1: first sense that I had when I came to was
Speaker 1: what had happened was when I lost consciousness. There wasn't
Speaker 1: anything in the pipe, and I got pushed out of
Speaker 1: the pipe and pushed down the river through the rapids,
Speaker 1: and my friend was with me, was able to jump
Speaker 1: off the bridge and catch up to me about seventy
Speaker 1: yards down the down the river from the bridge, and
Speaker 1: he was able to pull me out of rapids into
Speaker 1: the shallow part of the water, and he didn't know
Speaker 1: how to do CPR, so he rolled me over on
Speaker 1: his on my stomach, and he said when he got
Speaker 1: to me, my face was a grayish purple and my
Speaker 1: eyes were open, fixed, wide open, but you know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't breathing. And when he got me to the shallow
Speaker 1: part of the water, he rolled me over on on
Speaker 1: my stomach and he straddled me from behind and put
Speaker 1: his arms around me about my lower part of my
Speaker 1: chest and upper part of my stomach, and he just
Speaker 1: started raising me up and down that's all he knew
Speaker 1: to do and U and he was in shock at
Speaker 1: the time. It worked. It worked as far as um
Speaker 1: you know, the act of doing CPR so resuscitated me.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for, resuscitated me. And so when
Speaker 1: I came to, he's pulling me up and down immediately again,
Speaker 1: the first thing I feel is a touch of his
Speaker 1: hands around me and his arms around me. That's the
Speaker 1: first thing that I sensed, the same, the same as
Speaker 1: as when he touched my hand when I was in
Speaker 1: that pipe. Nothing replaces the touch of another human being.
Speaker 1: And the next sense that I felt was an air
Speaker 1: touching my face. I could feel it just talking of
Speaker 1: describing it right now, I can. I can feel it
Speaker 1: like it was just happened a minute ago, this nice
Speaker 1: cool breeze touching my skin. And then I realized, you know,
Speaker 1: what was going on, and I pulled my knees up
Speaker 1: under me, and I put pulled my hands up under
Speaker 1: me to to steady myself. When I did that, it
Speaker 1: took the pressure off of Bobby's arms and hands and
Speaker 1: he just rolled me over and grabbed me and started
Speaker 1: hugging me and kissing me and telling me he loved me,
Speaker 1: and then he started ellen and screaming at me and
Speaker 1: cozened me out, and this went back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: for three or four minutes before he could settle himself down,
Speaker 1: and he was crying, and uh he was. He was
Speaker 1: actually in worse shape than I was in. He was
Speaker 1: in shock. And that's been a few years back, and
Speaker 1: to this day it's hard for him to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I felt like he was going to be coming back
Speaker 1: to my house and having to give my wife the
Speaker 1: news that I died that day, and that's all he
Speaker 1: could think about when he was trying to resuscitate me.
Speaker 1: So when I came to and after Bobby had recovered,
Speaker 1: I crawled up on the bank and I laid on
Speaker 1: my back and I was just looking up at the sky,
Speaker 1: trying to get myself together. After I had finished coughing
Speaker 1: up water, every muscle in my body was fatigued and
Speaker 1: was hurting, and and my my chest was hurting. I
Speaker 1: could I could just take these tiny little breaths, and
Speaker 1: then my head was just pounding. It felt like somebody
Speaker 1: had hit me in the head with a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: I had a terrible headache, But I remember in there
Speaker 1: on my back and looking up at the sky. It
Speaker 1: was like the first time I've ever seen the sky.
Speaker 1: I couldn't uh you know, I've never seen us so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I would just laid there in amazement. It was
Speaker 1: just this baby blue color with these little white, puffy
Speaker 1: clouds like little balls of cotton going floating across the sky,
Speaker 1: and all the clouds seemed to be illuminated. There almost
Speaker 1: seemed to be a light inside of each cloud. I
Speaker 1: could I could fill the clouds. I had a feeling
Speaker 1: that I couldn't describe. I was able to lay there
Speaker 1: for a few minutes, and it's just thinking of myself,
Speaker 1: how you know, I've never seen a sky that beautiful before.
Speaker 1: After five or ten minutes, I had to get myself
Speaker 1: back together because we're out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: and we're an hour and forty five minute floats still
Speaker 1: away from from a vehicle, and uh, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no roads, it's it's unting. It's just out in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and there's no houses, nothing. So I
Speaker 1: have to get back into kayak and continue on with
Speaker 1: the trip. And uh, I lost my paddle and so
Speaker 1: the fortunately these paddles at yu kayak with they come
Speaker 1: apart in the middle. So we took Bobby's paddle and
Speaker 1: he took half of it, and I took half of it,
Speaker 1: and we continued on. We finally ran across my paddle,
Speaker 1: you know, not not long after we've gotten started. But
Speaker 1: one of the turning points for me, or maybe the
Speaker 1: turning point for me, was probably about twenty minutes down
Speaker 1: the river. I'm trying to take all this in and
Speaker 1: as I'm going down the river, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: strangest things are happening to me. I felt like I
Speaker 1: could fill the trees. I felt like they were a
Speaker 1: part of me. I felt like the rocks, the grass,
Speaker 1: everything I could just feel. I just felt connected to
Speaker 1: everything that that was around me. About twenty minutes into
Speaker 1: the float, this white e grid flew from the in
Speaker 1: front of us, from the left side of the river
Speaker 1: over the right side of the river and landed in
Speaker 1: this big cypress tree, and it looked like it was
Speaker 1: it was illuminated. It looked like it had a haze
Speaker 1: around it that had light attached to it. It landed
Speaker 1: in that tree and just set there. It was just glowing,
Speaker 1: and I knew, I knew in that moment that my
Speaker 1: life was changed forever. I knew that things would never
Speaker 1: be the same. Guy, I'm getting choked up thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I knew that things would never be the same after
Speaker 1: that point. Whenever I talked about this story, asked God
Speaker 1: to let it be his story and for me to
Speaker 1: be true to it, not to ever change anything, and
Speaker 1: let it to be, you know, for his service and
Speaker 1: his will and not mine. And I prayed that, and
Speaker 1: I like that. My friend Bobby and I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, Man, you're gonna think I'm crazy. I don't
Speaker 1: think this is really nuts, but I'm glad this happened
Speaker 1: to me. And I said, I can't explain it, Bobby,
Speaker 1: but man, I went to this place. It was just
Speaker 1: beyond description. It was fabulous. I can't describe the feeling
Speaker 1: I have right now. Really glad that has happened to me. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we made the rest of the float and got back
Speaker 1: in our truck and loaded up our kayaks and came home.
Speaker 1: And you know, my wife was waiting on us, and
Speaker 1: she could tell something was up, and so I walked
Speaker 1: to the bedroom and Bobby stayed in the kitchen with her,
Speaker 1: and Bobby started crying again and tell her and told
Speaker 1: her that but I almost died. And then she came
Speaker 1: in there, and you know, when we hugged and and
Speaker 1: she's she's fantastic. She's been very understanding. And you know,
Speaker 1: because when you do have a near death experience, a
Speaker 1: lot of things happened that that continued to happen to
Speaker 1: you even after the experience. You know, you have different
Speaker 1: insights and you have different views on things. I know,
Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks after this happened, you know,
Speaker 1: people would come up to me and say, I heard
Speaker 1: what happened. You know, man, I'm just so glad you're okay.
Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, you're so lucky. I guess
Speaker 1: it just wasn't your time, and things like that. After
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I looked at my wife one
Speaker 1: day and I said, man, honey, don't take this the
Speaker 1: wrong way. But when people come up to me and
Speaker 1: tell me that stuff, I just want to tell him,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I am lucky. But if I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have come back, it would have been okay. I was
Speaker 1: in such a beautiful place it was. It would have
Speaker 1: been okay. When you're here on earth, it's that's not
Speaker 1: our choice. You know, when we go when we're called,
Speaker 1: and in the meantime, you know, we do what we
Speaker 1: are sent here to do, to learn and to teach
Speaker 1: and and to be tempered to and to be prepared
Speaker 1: for that next part of our existence. Anyway, there's times
Speaker 1: when you know, as a near death experience or that
Speaker 1: you get confused, especially in the early years for near death,
Speaker 1: there's you get confused and you're you're searching for a
Speaker 1: purpose and and it can be frustrating and create a
Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. In my life, I finally came to
Speaker 1: the realization that our purposes are in front of us
Speaker 1: every day. We just have to be aware of them
Speaker 1: and take advantage of the opportunities. What we think is important,
Speaker 1: and what we think is, you know, that we have
Speaker 1: to have this grand purpose saving a starving nation, or
Speaker 1: cure and cancer or something like that. Those are things
Speaker 1: that are on our terms. But the reality of it
Speaker 1: is is that in God's terms, maybe something as simple
Speaker 1: as you know, hugging a kid that doesn't have of
Speaker 1: a parent, are going and visiting with a shut in
Speaker 1: neighbor that is isolated. I mean, you know, the reality
Speaker 1: of it is is there's no act of kindness or
Speaker 1: love that is too small, are that is more important
Speaker 1: than another one. They're all important. Oh, Pat, I agree,
Speaker 1: it could be the smallest acts that make the biggest
Speaker 1: difference with people. Anyways, we need to go to our
Speaker 1: next break, and when we come back, I'd love to
Speaker 1: find out more of the wisdom that you received and
Speaker 1: that one has unfolded since you've had your near death experience.
Speaker 1: So we'll be back in just a minute. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Pat Johnson and myself here on Shades of the
Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast a
Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast Network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife coming right up, Hey against the Wizard
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Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a
Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here with Pat Johnson,
Speaker 1: near death experiencer and Pat. Just before the break, we
Speaker 1: were really talking about making a difference. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be these big, grandiose things. It can be
Speaker 1: simple things. Simple things matter, right, they absolutely do, and
Speaker 1: simple things are not simple things. You don't know where
Speaker 1: it ends. I mean, you know, you could encourage in
Speaker 1: a small way, just give somebody a loving touch or
Speaker 1: a sign that you see them and they're valued, and
Speaker 1: they can take that and pass that on to another
Speaker 1: person and pass it on to another person, or they
Speaker 1: can hold at the rest of their life and you know,
Speaker 1: use it for motivation and inspiration to do good things
Speaker 1: as long as they're here on earth. And you don't
Speaker 1: know whether that's going to take them or where that
Speaker 1: act that you think is simple or small will end
Speaker 1: up in a ripple effect on many many other people.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. One of the strangest things that happened to
Speaker 1: me was when I went into a restaurant or crowded
Speaker 1: room or any place that there were people. For the
Speaker 1: first couple of months, I felt like it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I visibly saw their souls, but people's souls people that
Speaker 1: were around me, their souls were almost tangible to me.
Speaker 1: I felt like I could reach out and actually grasp
Speaker 1: your soul. I just had a sense of everybody's inner
Speaker 1: soul that was around me. The level of noise was reduced.
Speaker 1: I could distinguish multiple conversations at one time. What was
Speaker 1: really neat about it, too, is when I had that
Speaker 1: sense that I could see and feel people's souls, it
Speaker 1: took all the judgment away from the way I looked
Speaker 1: at people. I was able to look at people the
Speaker 1: way God looks at people, the way he values people.
Speaker 1: It's for their soul. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: how smart they are, how party they are, what clothes
Speaker 1: they have on, what their job is, their education. Nothing.
Speaker 1: The sense that I got was it in God's book,
Speaker 1: everybody is important and he desperately wants everybody. It almost
Speaker 1: got to be a joke to me. I would see
Speaker 1: somebody pull up in a in a big four wheel
Speaker 1: drive jacked up truck and strut out of it and
Speaker 1: I would just snicker. And I would see some little
Speaker 1: old ladies shuffling down the street that may be considered
Speaker 1: uh low on social status, and she shined to me
Speaker 1: so And I will say that over time that faded,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I could still get pieces of that,
Speaker 1: but not like it was when it when it first happened.
Speaker 1: You know, for the first couple of months, it was
Speaker 1: just like looking at another person, almost like a shadow.
Speaker 1: I would say, we really are souls having a human experience,
Speaker 1: and I think you just got the opportunity to really
Speaker 1: see those souls. Pat what kind of things we left
Speaker 1: with after this experience. The messages that stuck with me
Speaker 1: first and foremost. I had this message that we're overthinking things.
Speaker 1: Just love God and love each other and everything is
Speaker 1: going to take care of itself. It was that simple.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that simple. It wasn't this long drawn out
Speaker 1: floating through the stars, through the ages or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just like it was just like you're overthinking, not
Speaker 1: you're overthinking things. It was we're overthinking things. Love God,
Speaker 1: love each other, and everything else will take care of itself. Off.
Speaker 1: One of the other insights that just almost as strong
Speaker 1: was the connectedness. And when you're talking about you know,
Speaker 1: we don't see our souls while we're go on earth.
Speaker 1: I got this overwhelming sense that and I could see
Speaker 1: it when I could see the souls, is that we're
Speaker 1: all interconnected. I was talking about it to this this
Speaker 1: when lady that was in our near death support group.
Speaker 1: And she was an elderly lady that had had an
Speaker 1: inn D back in the I think in the late fifties,
Speaker 1: and I described that tour and she just kind of
Speaker 1: chuckled and she said, Yeah, it's like that rug right
Speaker 1: there on the floor. That rug is as an individual rug,
Speaker 1: but it's made up of thousands of threads. The threads
Speaker 1: are all bound together, but they each individually keep their identity,
Speaker 1: but they're all bound together to make up the rug.
Speaker 1: And that's where our souls are. We're all touching each
Speaker 1: other and we don't see it. That's why it's so
Speaker 1: important to realize, you know, your actions towards people, the
Speaker 1: way you were at the way you treat one person
Speaker 1: affects everybody. That ripples through the souls and it touches
Speaker 1: all of us, negative or positive. When you do something
Speaker 1: to make somebody feel better, it can make lots of
Speaker 1: people feel better. And if you do something to make
Speaker 1: somebody feel bad, it can make other people feel bad.
Speaker 1: You're not just affecting that one person, and we're affecting
Speaker 1: ourselves to affecting ourselves. Yeah, for sure, Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's a life change. It changes the way you
Speaker 1: look at every everything, and especially for me, it changes
Speaker 1: the way I look at people more than anything. Pat,
Speaker 1: how did you get involved with I NS Well? When
Speaker 1: I came back, Uh, when I had the experience, I was, gosh,
Speaker 1: let me think the two thousand and ten. I was scared.
Speaker 1: I was anxious because I was seeing things differently. And
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, you're just having a
Speaker 1: good time and you're working and taking care of your
Speaker 1: family one day, and the next day you think you
Speaker 1: see people's souls. I mean, come on, I just done
Speaker 1: an app and you know, you know it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was strange, and it was it was scaring me
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what And there were some other
Speaker 1: things that were changing for me also. And I told
Speaker 1: my my wife a couple of weeks after this happened,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I got to talk to somebody,
Speaker 1: and I said, I want to talk to psychiatrists. I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to a counselor. I gotta find
Speaker 1: somebody that this has happened to, and specifically, I'd like
Speaker 1: to find somebody that's crowned. And so I started looking
Speaker 1: on the internet and I found IRONS, the International Association
Speaker 1: of Near Death Studies and I contacted there their office
Speaker 1: and uh during North Carolina, and they put me in
Speaker 1: touch with the local chapter. And at the time there
Speaker 1: was a guy named Ed Salisbury and he still runs
Speaker 1: the group. That was running the group, and and they
Speaker 1: gave my phone number to Ed, and a couple of
Speaker 1: days after I had contacted him, Ed gave me a
Speaker 1: call and I felt an immediate connection with him because
Speaker 1: he understood what I was talking about. I can my
Speaker 1: family or friends didn't understand what I was what I
Speaker 1: was trying to tell them, They couldn't relate to it.
Speaker 1: But as soon as I got on the phone with Ed,
Speaker 1: but then five minutes of talking to him, I just
Speaker 1: connected with him. Immediately he understood what I was talking about,
Speaker 1: and my my stress and my anxiety was gone. And
Speaker 1: almost immediately, you know, he just explained to me that
Speaker 1: there was gonna be some other changes that we're gonna happen,
Speaker 1: that it takes a while to integrate all these things
Speaker 1: into your life, and that it's all good and not
Speaker 1: to worry, and that's all I needed to hear, and
Speaker 1: from that point on I was fine. So they had
Speaker 1: a meeting once every two months here in Austin, and
Speaker 1: I just live about thirty miles from Austin. So I
Speaker 1: started going to the meetings and and uh, I was
Speaker 1: in a group of other near death experiences and it's
Speaker 1: it's just a great support group. You know, they understand
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You feel at home. Uh, you
Speaker 1: go out and you deal with the world as it is.
Speaker 1: And every month or two you can go over there
Speaker 1: and be amongst friends that I'm dealing with the same things,
Speaker 1: and you talk to him and you feel like you're
Speaker 1: at home, and you recharge your batteries and then you
Speaker 1: go out there and you do it again. And speaking
Speaker 1: of recharging batteries, one of the things that I found
Speaker 1: very helpful for me is um I call it meditative prayer.
Speaker 1: When I can get up in the morning and just
Speaker 1: be very very still and very quiet and pray. And
Speaker 1: then after I pray, just be very still in meditating,
Speaker 1: just try to open my mind and my heart and
Speaker 1: listen for answers. And that has given me the closest
Speaker 1: thing that I found to my n D. That's the
Speaker 1: strongest connection I have. Can you walk us through that again?
Speaker 1: What you do? I usually get up in the morning
Speaker 1: early before my wife is a and all our kids
Speaker 1: are grown, so we don't have kids in now. I
Speaker 1: hear you have sixteen grandchildren. I got sixteen grands Like,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people around here, but you know,
Speaker 1: not just my wife and I live here. Fortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: so we don't have to at our age, we don't
Speaker 1: have to deal with sixteen screaming kids all the time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I get up for the early in the morning, before
Speaker 1: she does, I like to come in. I got a
Speaker 1: chair that i'd like to sit in. ID like to
Speaker 1: leave the lights off. I wanted it as quiet as possible,
Speaker 1: and I just bow my head and I pray, and
Speaker 1: I pray until done praying. It might take five minutes,
Speaker 1: it might take ten minutes. Whatever I want to share
Speaker 1: with God, whatever I want to ask God about or
Speaker 1: tell him, I do. And then I like to sit
Speaker 1: still for five or ten minutes and just listen. And
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how often when there's something that's
Speaker 1: troubling me that it's you know, and I don't hear
Speaker 1: a voice. It's people say, oh, God spoke to me.
Speaker 1: I've never heard a voice, even in my antie, didn't
Speaker 1: hear a voice. You just know, answers come sometimes and
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't come, but it always puts me at peace.
Speaker 1: So maybe that is the answer. Maybe just the pieces
Speaker 1: the answer. I have to say. Since we're on the subject,
Speaker 1: one thing that has distressed me a bit is I've
Speaker 1: met a lot of people over the last few years
Speaker 1: that our interests that are involved in the near death experience.
Speaker 1: A lot of people that I met that I have
Speaker 1: not had a near death experience but are interested in it.
Speaker 1: There seems to be they read a lot, they theorize
Speaker 1: a lot, They're looking for answer, a scientific proof, you know,
Speaker 1: they talk about it a lot. And I think all
Speaker 1: those things are great. I think you know, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, your your prayer is part of your spiritual life.
Speaker 1: Your your study and your your search is part of
Speaker 1: your spiritual life. But one thing that I see that's uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's the third leg of it is just living,
Speaker 1: going out in the world and living and sharing and
Speaker 1: serving and loving and being loved, you know, the contact
Speaker 1: with other people. And sometimes I see the n D
Speaker 1: movement with a lot of study and research and and
Speaker 1: reading and writing and contemplation, but I think we also
Speaker 1: have to take the lessons that we learned from the
Speaker 1: n d E and act on them. Also, I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about unconditional love and we
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the love that we felt on
Speaker 1: the other side, I think that that we're we have
Speaker 1: to share that love. And I think I think the
Speaker 1: love can be dead if we're not, if we're not
Speaker 1: touching people with it and we're not sharing it with people.
Speaker 1: And when I say sharing it with people, I mean
Speaker 1: actively getting out in your community and your in your
Speaker 1: environment wherever you might live, and given that word of
Speaker 1: encouragement to somebody that that's down on their luck or
Speaker 1: is having a troubled time, you know, uh, sharing a
Speaker 1: laugh with somebody, you know, going to stop and bind,
Speaker 1: visiting somebody that you haven't seen in a while. I
Speaker 1: think we learned from each other and we're teaching each other,
Speaker 1: and that is part of the that's part of the
Speaker 1: journey that sometimes we don't get involved with as much
Speaker 1: as we should, where we help each other and others
Speaker 1: help us. Pat we're going to go in for our
Speaker 1: last break and when we come back, I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about service, because it's really great
Speaker 1: to learn about the afterlife and near death experiences. But
Speaker 1: you're right, how do we live our lives and putting
Speaker 1: this all into action? So we're going to hear more
Speaker 1: in just a minute from Pat Johnson. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Stare right there.
Speaker 1: There's more Sandra coming right out. Thanks for listening. Keep
Speaker 1: it here on the I Heart Radio on Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of
Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're talking with Pat
Speaker 1: Johnson about his near death experience and what he's learned after.
Speaker 1: And if you're somebody interested in near death experiences, you've
Speaker 1: absolutely got to check out our friends at IAN'S which
Speaker 1: is the International Association for Near Death Studies. For over
Speaker 1: forty years, they have been collecting stories of people's experiences.
Speaker 1: They are on the forefront for sharing all information about
Speaker 1: the near death experiences. There's always a conference in the
Speaker 1: late summer. This coming one is going to be in
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. It will be online also in person,
Speaker 1: and you can find out where your local ions chapters
Speaker 1: are on the website. You do not have to have
Speaker 1: had had a near death experience to join. It's a
Speaker 1: great group of people talking about the afterlife, talking about
Speaker 1: living life powerfully, and they do lots of things online also.
Speaker 1: So their website is i ans dot org. So it's
Speaker 1: the letter I A and d S dot org. So
Speaker 1: let's get back to you, Pat. We were just talking
Speaker 1: about being of service before the break and what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about being of service to others and really
Speaker 1: how to treat other people? I think just acknowledging somebody
Speaker 1: just saying I see you. You know, you're valued, you know,
Speaker 1: and and there's many different ways that you can do that.
Speaker 1: Just a kind smile, thank you, let me get that
Speaker 1: door for you. So so many ways that we can
Speaker 1: do it every day, all the time. And those are
Speaker 1: the things that lift our spirits and we can give
Speaker 1: it for free. It doesn't cost us anything, you know,
Speaker 1: we can every time practically, lem me turn around. You
Speaker 1: can have a positive effect some somebody. Simple things really
Speaker 1: do matter. And I do think that for each one
Speaker 1: of us hearing all these different stories, you know, there's
Speaker 1: definitely a message that we can take away from it. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the messages for all of us, for everybody. It's not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exclude one single person walk in the face
Speaker 1: of this earth. This is all about love and togetherness
Speaker 1: and connectedness and what we can do for each other.
Speaker 1: You know, how can anybody not want to live that life? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think to Pat, there's so many different stories
Speaker 1: that have happened that I've heard of interviewed a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have had the near death experiences, and
Speaker 1: they're different stories with a lot of common themes. But
Speaker 1: you know, some people, you know, you might have seen
Speaker 1: the light through the glass and the souls, and some
Speaker 1: people have seen deceased loved ones, and I mean different
Speaker 1: There's so many I think, you know, not any human being. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean there's many different experiences as there are people
Speaker 1: living this this earth, um, But each one of them matters.
Speaker 1: And you can be so inspired about us being souls,
Speaker 1: having a human experience about what our life is for,
Speaker 1: and also have the comfort that this life is just
Speaker 1: part of a much bigger hole. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: we know the lessons, We know the messages. Everybody knows
Speaker 1: most most of your major religions are based on these themes.
Speaker 1: But when you experience it with other people, it inspires you,
Speaker 1: It makes you more aware of them. It takes it
Speaker 1: from you know, it helps you take it from a
Speaker 1: thought or our feeling, and it gives it legs and
Speaker 1: feed it. It inspires you to make it active in
Speaker 1: your life, you know. And we need that from each other,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to inspire each other. And uh,
Speaker 1: that's the fuel that we need to run on, you know.
Speaker 1: So you're surrounded by like minded people that want to
Speaker 1: make things better and it's a battery recharge. You go
Speaker 1: out the next day absolutely work with a with a
Speaker 1: little pep in your step, and it's inspirational to the
Speaker 1: people that you run into after that. That's why it's
Speaker 1: so important to stay plugged in and recharge ourselves and
Speaker 1: have people in our life that speak this same language.
Speaker 1: It's so important whether you're listening to podcasts, going to
Speaker 1: a seminar, reading things online, reading books, coming to one
Speaker 1: of our live classes. Oh, we've got tons of great things,
Speaker 1: but it's important to stay plugged into the bigger pictures
Speaker 1: so you remember who you are. So Pat, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you so much for being our guest today
Speaker 1: and ask if you have any closing words. Oh, thank you, Sandrad,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for all the hard work
Speaker 1: that you do and spreading the messages and and the
Speaker 1: insights that you've been given and that your guest share
Speaker 1: with the public. It's it's just super important. And just
Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody that's listening, you know, just
Speaker 1: to fill your heart with love and go out there
Speaker 1: and spread it and and be aware of what's going
Speaker 1: on around you and look for those opportunities to encourage
Speaker 1: each other and to encourage other people around you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it all starts with the four letter word of love. Right.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's right. And we gotta give legs and
Speaker 1: feet to it. We got to be out there touching
Speaker 1: and hugging and patting each other on the back and
Speaker 1: doing what we have to do to lift people up
Speaker 1: into the glowing spirits that we all want to be.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking this week about mother Teresa, and if
Speaker 1: you were at our most recent Sunday gathering, you would
Speaker 1: have heard me talking a little bit about her. And
Speaker 1: if you've been listening to this show, you know we
Speaker 1: offer a freeze Sunday service that's unlike any other service.
Speaker 1: I think it's got a little bit of prayer. Some
Speaker 1: music videos some readings have be address. We call it
Speaker 1: words of Inspiration to get you started for the week,
Speaker 1: and always have a medium demonstration so that members of
Speaker 1: our online congregation get messages from their loved ones and
Speaker 1: everybody gets to see that life goes on and your
Speaker 1: loved ones are only a breath away. They're cheering you
Speaker 1: on in life. But last week I had read this
Speaker 1: quote by Mother Teresa, and our interview with Pat just
Speaker 1: now just reminded me that everything we learn about the
Speaker 1: afterlife is for two different reasons. One is to help
Speaker 1: us through the incredible pain from grief. It is the
Speaker 1: most horrendous thing any human being will have to go
Speaker 1: through ever. And the other thing is it helps us
Speaker 1: live a good life. When we take away that fear
Speaker 1: of dying and we know that our loved ones are
Speaker 1: around us, cheering us on. It's almost like they left
Speaker 1: for a vague cacation before we can go. We're too busy,
Speaker 1: still working and we're going to catch another flight, but
Speaker 1: they left first, so they're there and they'll be waiting
Speaker 1: for us. Even our pets will be there. But while
Speaker 1: we're here, we really make the most of it. And
Speaker 1: as great as it is to look for evidence of
Speaker 1: the afterlife. What's important is to use the messages like
Speaker 1: we just heard from Pat. So I'd like to read
Speaker 1: to you the Mother Teresa quote that I read this
Speaker 1: past week on our Sunday gathering. Spread love everywhere you go.
Speaker 1: First of all, in your own home. Give love to
Speaker 1: your children, to your wife or husband, to a next
Speaker 1: door neighbor. Let no one ever come to you without
Speaker 1: leaving better and happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness.
Speaker 1: Kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in
Speaker 1: your smile, kindness near, warm greeting. And we all have
Speaker 1: our own version of God. Whether you want to believe
Speaker 1: it's a bearded guy sitting on a throne somewhere out
Speaker 1: there in heaven, or it's the light that is within
Speaker 1: all of us, that connects all of us, but we
Speaker 1: all have a sense of this higher power. I have
Speaker 1: a couple other quotes by Mother Teresa that I just found,
Speaker 1: and it goes along with what Pat says and about
Speaker 1: how to live life. This one says, intense love does
Speaker 1: not measure, It just gives. You know. What would it
Speaker 1: be like to go through life and look into somebody's
Speaker 1: eyes and see the soul behind that person, behind all
Speaker 1: that baggage or those things that irritate you about them.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Just to see a pure
Speaker 1: soul and give them love no matter what. Here's another one.
Speaker 1: Let us always meet each other with a smile. For
Speaker 1: a smile is the beginning of love. I know we've
Speaker 1: lived a long time wearing masks, but a smile is
Speaker 1: the best accessory going. It really is, and it makes
Speaker 1: people feel warm. There's so much fear that we have,
Speaker 1: but just a little smile to say, hey, I see you.
Speaker 1: And here's the last one. At the end of life,
Speaker 1: we're going to be judged on the basis of our
Speaker 1: love for one another. Well, here's a little secret. From
Speaker 1: all the people I've interviewed and everything I've researched, guess
Speaker 1: who judges you at the end of your life. Are
Speaker 1: you ready for it? It's you. You get to look
Speaker 1: back on your life, experience a life review of sorts,
Speaker 1: and experience the different times in your life where you
Speaker 1: made a difference for another person. If there's times that no,
Speaker 1: maybe you said something you shouldn't have, or lied or
Speaker 1: hurt another person, you get to experience it from their perspective.
Speaker 1: Not as a make wrong, but looking at yourself and
Speaker 1: your soul. Did you do the right actions while you
Speaker 1: were here on earth? And if you didn't, what could
Speaker 1: you do in the future. You see, when we travel
Speaker 1: to the unseen world the afterlife, we continue to learn,
Speaker 1: we continue to love, and we continue to grow. Those
Speaker 1: things that we didn't end up doing while we were
Speaker 1: here on earth, we still have an opportunity to do them.
Speaker 1: Nothing is lost. But if we do have this life review,
Speaker 1: why not take a look at your life and my
Speaker 1: life now, clean up the things we need to clean
Speaker 1: up for, apologize where we must, and have a new slate,
Speaker 1: turn over a new leaf. Life is an amazing place
Speaker 1: and we really can't live it when we have too
Speaker 1: much baggage on our back. So even forgive yourself. We
Speaker 1: human beings do the best job we can with what
Speaker 1: we've got. So there's no sense in stewing in the past,
Speaker 1: are worrying about the future. Just be present because the
Speaker 1: present moment. Yes, it is a gift. So a reminder.
Speaker 1: Our home base is we Don't Die dot Com, where
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Speaker 1: want to thank our friend Pat Johnson for being here today.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for listening to Shades of
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