1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. Your quest 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: We invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with The 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Afterlife with Sandra Shamplain. Welcome to our podcast. Please be 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: are their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast, 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: am employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: We would like to encourage you to do your own 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, I'm 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Sander Shamplain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: on each epoch, So we'll discuss the reasons we now 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: know that our loved ones have survived physical death, and 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Near 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: death experiences are something that intrigue everyone, although stories are different. 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: Because I think for as many people as have ever 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: lived on this Earth. We each have a different story 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: of how life is and how death is. Death is 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: unique to each one of us with some similarities. But 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: today I want to introduce you to Pat Johnson, who 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: had a near death experience while kayaking. Pat is a 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: very active member in IAN'S, which is the International Association 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: for Near Death Studies i A n d S dot org. 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: You can find out more, Pat, and warm welcome to you. Thanks, 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it that you're very kind. Well you 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: are too to take a really horrific situation and now 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: be on the other side to be able to serve 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: mankind telling your story, well, we really appreciate it, you 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: bet And and you know I love the opportunity to share, 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: not not necessarily my story of my m D, but 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I love the opportunity to share the lessons and the 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: messages that I received and and what it's meant to 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: me in my life and what what I hope it 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: can bring to other people's lives. Well, if you would 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: share your story, Pat, and I know you're coming to 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: us today from Texas. Well, Uh, I live on the 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Blancover River. It's a river that flows in central Texas 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: in the Hill Country. I'm located between Austin and San Antonio. Kayak. 42 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I usually go up the river about oh eight or 43 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: ten miles and kayak back to my house and and 44 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: that's my typical trip. And occasionally I'll go um south 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: of my house and go downstream, which is a longer trip, 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: maybe eighteen miles or twenty miles. I hadn't done it 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: a long time, and so I had a friend that 48 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: was working at the South Pole at the time, and 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: he had called me and and and you know, we 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: always much for the river conditions to be right, and 51 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: it just so happened when he called me this week 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: that we had had some rain and the river was 53 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: up and flowing really fast. So that was when we 54 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: like to go. So I asked him, I said it 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: was Bobby humph for his childhood friend of mine. I 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: asked Bobby to come up and spend the weekend with 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: me and take the longer trip. And uh, he came up. 58 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: And he's just a great outdoorsman and travel and adventured 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: all over the world, so he's a perfect partner for 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: for a kayaking trip. And we started out. This is 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: a Sunday morning, September twelve, two thou ten and the 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: river was up probably about two ft over normal. So 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: if you're an adventure and you like the thrill of 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: the big rapids, it's a good time to go. So 65 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: we had it out and UH beautiful day, you know, 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: crystal clear skies with a little white, plessy puffy clouds. 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: And about two thirds of the way into the trip, 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: we're crossing a low water crossing. I hit the top 69 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: of the bridge and it turned my kayak sideways and 70 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: I dropped off my kayak and the water was real 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: calm on the surface, so I didn't suspect anything other 72 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: than that. I just dropped off the kayak and then 73 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: swim over to the shallow water and get back in 74 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: kayak and continuing with the trip. As I went into 75 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: the water, I got about not quite waist deep, and 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: I just felt like the jolly green giant had reached 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: up and grabbed me by the ankles and yanked me 78 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: under the water. And at this point I knew I 79 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: was getting sucked into something. A few years prior to this, 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: I was in a near a low water crossing and 81 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: there was a washout under the bridge that was a 82 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: natural washout, and I'd gotten a leg and my legs 83 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: sucked into this washout, which was a small hole. You know, 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: I just bruised and scraped my leg but uh, you know, 85 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: no no damage. But I was aware of these washouts 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: being under an of these bridges, and so that's what 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 1: I thought was happening. I thought I was getting washed 88 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: into one of these these washouts. And there's nothing I 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: could do. I mean, obviously, when when we got that 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: much pull against you, you know, you can't swim against 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: or fight it. The only thing I could hope for 92 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: was that my my feet would hit a solid surface 93 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: and I'd be able to pull my way out of 94 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: it or walk my way out of it. Um, you know, 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: since I'm at this point, I'm completely submerged underwater. And 96 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: uh about that time, I filled these bumps on the 97 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: tops of my hands and I recognized it immediately. I 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: had been sucked into a corgated pipe underneath this bridge 99 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: that that I was unaware of it being there. I 100 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: was able to push my hands up and push my 101 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: feet down, and I was able to stop myself inside 102 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: the pipe. And I looked over my shoulder and it 103 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: was total darkness behind me. So I'd grown up, you know, 104 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: shooting through these pipes as a kid and a teenager, 105 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: and and when we would do it, we typically we 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: run an inner tube through there. And we never went 107 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: through a pipe that didn't have an airspace and it 108 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: and this one was completely submerged. But what you'll find 109 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: in some of these pipes is you'll find an obstruction 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: from either rocks or our metal post or branches, barbed wire, 111 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: that sort of thing that gets sucked into these pipes 112 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: and get stuck in there. And so I knew that 113 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: that if I let go and I went through the 114 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: pipe and there was an obstruction on the other end, 115 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: that you know, that'd be it. You know that I 116 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to make it out. So I felt 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: like my only hope was going forward the way I 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: came in, and I was probably about ten or twelve 119 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: feet into the pipe, and so I just started pushing 120 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: with everything I had. I was making these little tiny steps, 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: probably two to four inches at a time. I was 122 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: moving forward because of the pressure on the water was, 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, was so strong against my body. And as 124 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm in there, all of my instinct are, all my 125 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: senses were, We're just heightened just incredibly. I could I 126 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: felt like I could feel every drop of water going 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: across my body, and I felt like I could see 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: every every little tiny speck of dust or dirt that 129 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: passed by me in the water. Um, you know, I 130 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: could hear every sound. And I just started pushing forward. 131 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: And you know, at that time, all I could think 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: about was I was just surviving, and I was thinking 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: about my wife and kids, and I was praying, and 134 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: that was it. You know, It's just just down to 135 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: the very the very most basic thoughts are the very 136 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: most basic parts of your of your core, you know. 137 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: So I'm pushing forward. I make it to the end 138 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: of the pipe. The bridge had about about eight or 139 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: ten inches of water across the top of it was 140 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: falling across the top of the bridge at the time. 141 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: And so I made it to the end of the pipe, 142 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: and I was able to get my hands on the 143 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: outside of the pipe, and I was trying to pull 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: push myself out of the pie. But at the at 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: the front of the pipe, the water was stronger and 146 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't get any part of my body. I couldn't 147 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: get my head out, I couldn't get my shoulder out. Uh. 148 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: The only thing I was able to get out of 149 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: the pipe was just my arm, and so I'm trying 150 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what I need to do 151 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: to come, you know, get myself out of that pipe. 152 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: The pipe is probably three or four ft under the water. 153 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: And about this time I see my friend Bobby, his 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: hand reaching down through the water towards me. The water 155 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: was was murky because it had been flooding that week, 156 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: but it was you know, it wasn't so dirty that 157 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't see. There was probably it was probably about 158 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: six ft of decent visibility and then clouding visibility. After that, 159 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I reach up and I grabbed Bobby's hand. Always tell 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: people that when I grabbed Bobby's hand, there's nothing that 161 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: replaces the feel of the touch of another human being. 162 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when I touched Bobby's hand, you know, just 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: gave me hope and it um you know, I knew 164 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: I w wasn't alone, and so he was one of 165 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: his hands and knees on top of the bridge and 166 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: hanging on with one hand and on his knees and 167 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: reaching down with the other hand. Grabbed his hand and 168 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: I thought, this is all I need, you know, just 169 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: that little legs for pulling them out of here. I 170 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: pushed up as hard as I could and pulled on 171 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Bobby's hand at the same time. And when I did that, 172 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: our hands came apart. I lost grasp with Bobby's hand 173 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: in our hands uh separated, and and when that happened, 174 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: I lost my grip with my other hand, and I 175 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: got pushed back into the pipe a second time, and 176 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: this time I didn't go back into the pipe quite 177 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: as far. I was probably only about six ft into 178 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: the pipe the second time, and I started pushing forward 179 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: again because I knew I could make it to the 180 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: front of the pipe and already did it once. But 181 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: my concern was, as I've been underwater for a long 182 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: time at this point, I didn't know how much longer 183 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I could hold my breath. And I started pushing forward 184 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: and I made it about maybe maybe a couple of feet, 185 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I just felt like like 186 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: I was encapsulated. I just felt like a bubble surrounded 187 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: me and everything. The water just seemed to be in 188 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: slow motion. It wasn't hazy like I was blacking out. 189 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: It was it was very I had a very conscious 190 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: thought of it, and it was very clear, but the 191 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: sound got quieter. I didn't. It's like I didn't even 192 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: feel the water touching my skin. And just in that moment, 193 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: I knew that everything was where it was supposed to be, 194 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: Everything was right with the world, and there was nothing 195 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: to worry about, that everything would be taken care of, 196 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: and I just was overwhelmed with the sense of peace. 197 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: There was no fading. It was just in an instant, 198 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: like turning off a light switch. I went from conscious too, 199 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: unconscious as far as the physical part goes at the 200 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: spiritual or not the conscious, but but the physical body 201 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: went unconscious. And when that happened, my immediate thought was, well, 202 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: first of all, I went in to a different place. 203 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: And the place that I went to, I felt like 204 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: it was kind of in a like a hallway, but 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: not quite like a hallway, some like like maybe the 206 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: combination of a hallway and a in a cave. Because 207 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: of the floor was like black marble. It was just 208 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: like a shiny black black marble. Into the left of me, 209 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: and overhead of me there was a wall, but it 210 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: was it was it was kind of rigid like you'd 211 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: see on the wall of the cave, but it was 212 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: it was soft. It was like covered with felt or velvet, 213 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: but it was black, just black, and off to the 214 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: right of me, it was just openness. It was it 215 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: was just like it was endless darkness, and it was. 216 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: It was such a darkness. It was a kind of 217 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: darkness that you could stick your hand out too and 218 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: and lose sight of your hand. It was that kind 219 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: of dark. And in front of me, at a distance 220 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: of if I had to guess, it felt like it 221 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: was maybe sixty or seventy yards in front of me, 222 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: there was what looked like a blue stained glass window 223 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 1: with a hole in it, but not around hole. It 224 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: was a hole, a whole like somebody had thrown a 225 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: rock through a piece of glass. And behind it was 226 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: this bright, bright, white light. It was a white light, 227 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: and and it kind of had a it kind of 228 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: looked like a klanoscope because it was it was dimming 229 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: and and brightening, you know, and changing patterns a bit. 230 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: And the edges of the broken glass, that's only way 231 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: I can describe it, had rays of light coming off 232 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: of it which were reflecting off the floor and shining 233 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: on the walls. Pat we have to go into our 234 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: first break, and when we come back, we'd love to 235 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: hear more about your experience and it sounds scary, but 236 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: it also sounds like there's some possibility for a much 237 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: bigger view of life coming. So we'll be back in 238 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: just a minute. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 239 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast d a 240 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: M Paranormal podcast network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades 241 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife coming right up. You're listening to the 242 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast day M Paranormal Podcast. 243 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 244 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: and we are with Pat Johnson talking about his near 245 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: death experience. And Pat, when you last were speaking, you 246 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: were telling us that you're under the water and your 247 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: kayak trapped and you felt yourself in a hallway slash 248 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: cave with a magnificent stained glass window cracked and you 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: were seeing a bright light. What did you sense next? Immediately? 250 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: I felt connected to an indescribable number of souls. And 251 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how how I know that, I just 252 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: know it. And my first thought is, man, you gotta 253 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: be bad not yet to come here, because I felt 254 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: like I was where I was supposed to be, and 255 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: I just knew there was multitudes of souls with me, 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I'd been that good a person. 257 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: But I felt like I was there where, you know, 258 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: where we're supposed to go when we leave this place. 259 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: And the second thought that I had, or the second 260 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: feeling that I got, our awareness that I got, was 261 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: I felt like my kids and my wife would be 262 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: walking I felt like I could look over my shoulder 263 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: and my kids and my wife would be walking in 264 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: right behind me. And I think that might be something 265 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: to do with our distortion of time, you know, between 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: here and there. And I thought about it many times, 267 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: and I think maybe that's part of the piece that 268 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: I had, because if I leave them thirty four years, 269 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what we know as time on Earth, 270 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: would maybe only be a like a snap of the fingers, 271 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: you know. On the other side, I don't know. I 272 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: felt no connection to my body. I just felt the 273 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: relaxation like I've never felt before. I had my consciousness, 274 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and I I had my awareness. But you know, even 275 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: as relaxed as we get here on Earth, you know, 276 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: we can still fill our clothes touching us or maybe 277 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: even air touching us. But there there was it was 278 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: just total relaxation with with no hurts or eggs or 279 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: just no sense of a body. I wanted to get 280 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: to the light. I was wanting to get to a 281 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: light as quick as I could. But I was being 282 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: drawn to the light, just gradually drawn to the light, 283 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: not at not at my speed. And I'm sure as 284 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: people can relate to this. It's kind of like in 285 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: a dream where where you're being pulled along slowly and 286 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: you don't have control of of your movement. And that's 287 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: what it was like. And as I got closer to 288 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: the light, what was giving the light the kaleidoscope effect? 289 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: There were people walking back and forth in front of 290 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: the light, very calmly, walking left, right, right to left, 291 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: and I was getting closer to him, but the light 292 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: was so bright behind them, all I could see was 293 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: silhouettes and I could never recognize any of the people. 294 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to see who they were, but I never 295 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: got recognition of who they were. And as I approached 296 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: the light and I got closer to the people, you know, 297 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: I felt this overwhelming love and acceptance. I woke up 298 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: and when I woke up, I was staring at the 299 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: water I was on, you know, these rocks were below me, 300 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: and there was maybe four or five inches of water 301 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: covering the rocks, and I was going towards the rocks 302 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: and being pulled back away from the rocks. And the 303 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: first sense that I had when I came to was 304 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: what had happened was when I lost consciousness. There wasn't 305 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: anything in the pipe, and I got pushed out of 306 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: the pipe and pushed down the river through the rapids, 307 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and my friend was with me, was able to jump 308 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: off the bridge and catch up to me about seventy 309 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: yards down the down the river from the bridge, and 310 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: he was able to pull me out of rapids into 311 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: the shallow part of the water, and he didn't know 312 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: how to do CPR, so he rolled me over on 313 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: his on my stomach, and he said when he got 314 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: to me, my face was a grayish purple and my 315 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: eyes were open, fixed, wide open, but you know, I 316 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: wasn't breathing. And when he got me to the shallow 317 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: part of the water, he rolled me over on on 318 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: my stomach and he straddled me from behind and put 319 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: his arms around me about my lower part of my 320 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: chest and upper part of my stomach, and he just 321 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: started raising me up and down that's all he knew 322 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: to do and U and he was in shock at 323 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: the time. It worked. It worked as far as um 324 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, the act of doing CPR so resuscitated me. 325 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for, resuscitated me. And so when 326 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: I came to, he's pulling me up and down immediately again, 327 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: the first thing I feel is a touch of his 328 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: hands around me and his arms around me. That's the 329 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: first thing that I sensed, the same, the same as 330 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: as when he touched my hand when I was in 331 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: that pipe. Nothing replaces the touch of another human being. 332 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: And the next sense that I felt was an air 333 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: touching my face. I could feel it just talking of 334 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: describing it right now, I can. I can feel it 335 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: like it was just happened a minute ago, this nice 336 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: cool breeze touching my skin. And then I realized, you know, 337 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: what was going on, and I pulled my knees up 338 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: under me, and I put pulled my hands up under 339 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: me to to steady myself. When I did that, it 340 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: took the pressure off of Bobby's arms and hands and 341 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: he just rolled me over and grabbed me and started 342 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: hugging me and kissing me and telling me he loved me, 343 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: and then he started ellen and screaming at me and 344 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: cozened me out, and this went back and forth, you know, 345 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: for three or four minutes before he could settle himself down, 346 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: and he was crying, and uh he was. He was 347 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: actually in worse shape than I was in. He was 348 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: in shock. And that's been a few years back, and 349 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: to this day it's hard for him to talk about it. 350 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: I felt like he was going to be coming back 351 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: to my house and having to give my wife the 352 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: news that I died that day, and that's all he 353 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: could think about when he was trying to resuscitate me. 354 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: So when I came to and after Bobby had recovered, 355 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: I crawled up on the bank and I laid on 356 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: my back and I was just looking up at the sky, 357 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: trying to get myself together. After I had finished coughing 358 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: up water, every muscle in my body was fatigued and 359 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: was hurting, and and my my chest was hurting. I 360 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: could I could just take these tiny little breaths, and 361 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: then my head was just pounding. It felt like somebody 362 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: had hit me in the head with a baseball bat. 363 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I had a terrible headache, But I remember in there 364 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: on my back and looking up at the sky. It 365 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: was like the first time I've ever seen the sky. 366 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't uh you know, I've never seen us so beautiful, 367 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: and I would just laid there in amazement. It was 368 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: just this baby blue color with these little white, puffy 369 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: clouds like little balls of cotton going floating across the sky, 370 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: and all the clouds seemed to be illuminated. There almost 371 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: seemed to be a light inside of each cloud. I 372 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: could I could fill the clouds. I had a feeling 373 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: that I couldn't describe. I was able to lay there 374 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: for a few minutes, and it's just thinking of myself, 375 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: how you know, I've never seen a sky that beautiful before. 376 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: After five or ten minutes, I had to get myself 377 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: back together because we're out in the middle of nowhere 378 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: and we're an hour and forty five minute floats still 379 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: away from from a vehicle, and uh, you know, there's 380 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: no roads, it's it's unting. It's just out in the 381 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and there's no houses, nothing. So I 382 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: have to get back into kayak and continue on with 383 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: the trip. And uh, I lost my paddle and so 384 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: the fortunately these paddles at yu kayak with they come 385 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: apart in the middle. So we took Bobby's paddle and 386 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: he took half of it, and I took half of it, 387 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: and we continued on. We finally ran across my paddle, 388 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, not not long after we've gotten started. But 389 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: one of the turning points for me, or maybe the 390 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: turning point for me, was probably about twenty minutes down 391 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: the river. I'm trying to take all this in and 392 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: as I'm going down the river, you know, it's the 393 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: strangest things are happening to me. I felt like I 394 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: could fill the trees. I felt like they were a 395 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: part of me. I felt like the rocks, the grass, 396 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: everything I could just feel. I just felt connected to 397 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: everything that that was around me. About twenty minutes into 398 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: the float, this white e grid flew from the in 399 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: front of us, from the left side of the river 400 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: over the right side of the river and landed in 401 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: this big cypress tree, and it looked like it was 402 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: it was illuminated. It looked like it had a haze 403 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: around it that had light attached to it. It landed 404 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: in that tree and just set there. It was just glowing, 405 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: and I knew, I knew in that moment that my 406 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: life was changed forever. I knew that things would never 407 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: be the same. Guy, I'm getting choked up thinking about it. 408 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: I knew that things would never be the same after 409 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: that point. Whenever I talked about this story, asked God 410 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: to let it be his story and for me to 411 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: be true to it, not to ever change anything, and 412 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: let it to be, you know, for his service and 413 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: his will and not mine. And I prayed that, and 414 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: I like that. My friend Bobby and I told him, 415 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I said, Man, you're gonna think I'm crazy. I don't 416 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: think this is really nuts, but I'm glad this happened 417 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: to me. And I said, I can't explain it, Bobby, 418 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: but man, I went to this place. It was just 419 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: beyond description. It was fabulous. I can't describe the feeling 420 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I have right now. Really glad that has happened to me. Anyway, 421 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: we made the rest of the float and got back 422 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: in our truck and loaded up our kayaks and came home. 423 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: And you know, my wife was waiting on us, and 424 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: she could tell something was up, and so I walked 425 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: to the bedroom and Bobby stayed in the kitchen with her, 426 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: and Bobby started crying again and tell her and told 427 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: her that but I almost died. And then she came 428 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: in there, and you know, when we hugged and and 429 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: she's she's fantastic. She's been very understanding. And you know, 430 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: because when you do have a near death experience, a 431 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: lot of things happened that that continued to happen to 432 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: you even after the experience. You know, you have different 433 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: insights and you have different views on things. I know, 434 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks after this happened, you know, 435 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: people would come up to me and say, I heard 436 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: what happened. You know, man, I'm just so glad you're okay. 437 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, you're so lucky. I guess 438 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: it just wasn't your time, and things like that. After 439 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I looked at my wife one 440 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: day and I said, man, honey, don't take this the 441 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: wrong way. But when people come up to me and 442 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: tell me that stuff, I just want to tell him, 443 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I am lucky. But if I wouldn't 444 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: have come back, it would have been okay. I was 445 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: in such a beautiful place it was. It would have 446 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: been okay. When you're here on earth, it's that's not 447 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: our choice. You know, when we go when we're called, 448 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: and in the meantime, you know, we do what we 449 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: are sent here to do, to learn and to teach 450 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: and and to be tempered to and to be prepared 451 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: for that next part of our existence. Anyway, there's times 452 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: when you know, as a near death experience or that 453 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: you get confused, especially in the early years for near death, 454 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: there's you get confused and you're you're searching for a 455 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: purpose and and it can be frustrating and create a 456 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. In my life, I finally came to 457 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: the realization that our purposes are in front of us 458 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: every day. We just have to be aware of them 459 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: and take advantage of the opportunities. What we think is important, 460 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: and what we think is, you know, that we have 461 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: to have this grand purpose saving a starving nation, or 462 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: cure and cancer or something like that. Those are things 463 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: that are on our terms. But the reality of it 464 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: is is that in God's terms, maybe something as simple 465 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: as you know, hugging a kid that doesn't have of 466 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: a parent, are going and visiting with a shut in 467 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: neighbor that is isolated. I mean, you know, the reality 468 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: of it is is there's no act of kindness or 469 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: love that is too small, are that is more important 470 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: than another one. They're all important. Oh, Pat, I agree, 471 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: it could be the smallest acts that make the biggest 472 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: difference with people. Anyways, we need to go to our 473 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: next break, and when we come back, I'd love to 474 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: find out more of the wisdom that you received and 475 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: that one has unfolded since you've had your near death experience. 476 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: So we'll be back in just a minute. You're listening 477 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: to Pat Johnson and myself here on Shades of the 478 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast a 479 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast Network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades 480 00:25:52,720 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife coming right up, Hey against the Wizard 481 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: of Weird Joshua Pee Warren. Don't forget to check out 482 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: my show Strange Things each week as I bring you 483 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: the world of the truly amazing and bizarre right here 484 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a 485 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 486 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here with Pat Johnson, 487 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: near death experiencer and Pat. Just before the break, we 488 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: were really talking about making a difference. And it doesn't 489 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: have to be these big, grandiose things. It can be 490 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: simple things. Simple things matter, right, they absolutely do, and 491 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: simple things are not simple things. You don't know where 492 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: it ends. I mean, you know, you could encourage in 493 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: a small way, just give somebody a loving touch or 494 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: a sign that you see them and they're valued, and 495 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: they can take that and pass that on to another 496 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: person and pass it on to another person, or they 497 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: can hold at the rest of their life and you know, 498 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: use it for motivation and inspiration to do good things 499 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: as long as they're here on earth. And you don't 500 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: know whether that's going to take them or where that 501 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: act that you think is simple or small will end 502 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: up in a ripple effect on many many other people. 503 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. One of the strangest things that happened to 504 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: me was when I went into a restaurant or crowded 505 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: room or any place that there were people. For the 506 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: first couple of months, I felt like it wasn't that 507 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: I visibly saw their souls, but people's souls people that 508 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: were around me, their souls were almost tangible to me. 509 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: I felt like I could reach out and actually grasp 510 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: your soul. I just had a sense of everybody's inner 511 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: soul that was around me. The level of noise was reduced. 512 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: I could distinguish multiple conversations at one time. What was 513 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: really neat about it, too, is when I had that 514 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: sense that I could see and feel people's souls, it 515 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: took all the judgment away from the way I looked 516 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: at people. I was able to look at people the 517 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: way God looks at people, the way he values people. 518 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: It's for their soul. It has nothing to do with 519 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: how smart they are, how party they are, what clothes 520 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: they have on, what their job is, their education. Nothing. 521 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: The sense that I got was it in God's book, 522 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: everybody is important and he desperately wants everybody. It almost 523 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: got to be a joke to me. I would see 524 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: somebody pull up in a in a big four wheel 525 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: drive jacked up truck and strut out of it and 526 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: I would just snicker. And I would see some little 527 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: old ladies shuffling down the street that may be considered 528 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: uh low on social status, and she shined to me 529 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: so And I will say that over time that faded, 530 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I could still get pieces of that, 531 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: but not like it was when it when it first happened. 532 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, for the first couple of months, it was 533 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: just like looking at another person, almost like a shadow. 534 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: I would say, we really are souls having a human experience, 535 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: and I think you just got the opportunity to really 536 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: see those souls. Pat what kind of things we left 537 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: with after this experience. The messages that stuck with me 538 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: first and foremost. I had this message that we're overthinking things. 539 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: Just love God and love each other and everything is 540 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: going to take care of itself. It was that simple. 541 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't that simple. It wasn't this long drawn out 542 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: floating through the stars, through the ages or anything like that. 543 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: It's just like it was just like you're overthinking, not 544 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: you're overthinking things. It was we're overthinking things. Love God, 545 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: love each other, and everything else will take care of itself. Off. 546 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: One of the other insights that just almost as strong 547 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: was the connectedness. And when you're talking about you know, 548 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: we don't see our souls while we're go on earth. 549 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: I got this overwhelming sense that and I could see 550 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: it when I could see the souls, is that we're 551 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: all interconnected. I was talking about it to this this 552 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: when lady that was in our near death support group. 553 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: And she was an elderly lady that had had an 554 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: inn D back in the I think in the late fifties, 555 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: and I described that tour and she just kind of 556 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: chuckled and she said, Yeah, it's like that rug right 557 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: there on the floor. That rug is as an individual rug, 558 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: but it's made up of thousands of threads. The threads 559 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: are all bound together, but they each individually keep their identity, 560 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: but they're all bound together to make up the rug. 561 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: And that's where our souls are. We're all touching each 562 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: other and we don't see it. That's why it's so 563 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: important to realize, you know, your actions towards people, the 564 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: way you were at the way you treat one person 565 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: affects everybody. That ripples through the souls and it touches 566 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: all of us, negative or positive. When you do something 567 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: to make somebody feel better, it can make lots of 568 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: people feel better. And if you do something to make 569 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: somebody feel bad, it can make other people feel bad. 570 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: You're not just affecting that one person, and we're affecting 571 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: ourselves to affecting ourselves. Yeah, for sure, Like I said, 572 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a life change. It changes the way you 573 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: look at every everything, and especially for me, it changes 574 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: the way I look at people more than anything. Pat, 575 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: how did you get involved with I NS Well? When 576 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: I came back, Uh, when I had the experience, I was, gosh, 577 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: let me think the two thousand and ten. I was scared. 578 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: I was anxious because I was seeing things differently. And 579 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, you're just having a 580 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: good time and you're working and taking care of your 581 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: family one day, and the next day you think you 582 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: see people's souls. I mean, come on, I just done 583 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: an app and you know, you know it was it was. 584 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: It was strange, and it was it was scaring me 585 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what And there were some other 586 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: things that were changing for me also. And I told 587 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: my my wife a couple of weeks after this happened, 588 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I got to talk to somebody, 589 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: and I said, I want to talk to psychiatrists. I 590 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: don't want to talk to a counselor. I gotta find 591 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: somebody that this has happened to, and specifically, I'd like 592 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: to find somebody that's crowned. And so I started looking 593 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: on the internet and I found IRONS, the International Association 594 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: of Near Death Studies and I contacted there their office 595 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: and uh during North Carolina, and they put me in 596 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: touch with the local chapter. And at the time there 597 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: was a guy named Ed Salisbury and he still runs 598 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: the group. That was running the group, and and they 599 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: gave my phone number to Ed, and a couple of 600 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: days after I had contacted him, Ed gave me a 601 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: call and I felt an immediate connection with him because 602 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: he understood what I was talking about. I can my 603 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: family or friends didn't understand what I was what I 604 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: was trying to tell them, They couldn't relate to it. 605 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: But as soon as I got on the phone with Ed, 606 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: but then five minutes of talking to him, I just 607 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: connected with him. Immediately he understood what I was talking about, 608 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: and my my stress and my anxiety was gone. And 609 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: almost immediately, you know, he just explained to me that 610 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: there was gonna be some other changes that we're gonna happen, 611 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: that it takes a while to integrate all these things 612 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: into your life, and that it's all good and not 613 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: to worry, and that's all I needed to hear, and 614 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: from that point on I was fine. So they had 615 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: a meeting once every two months here in Austin, and 616 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: I just live about thirty miles from Austin. So I 617 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: started going to the meetings and and uh, I was 618 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: in a group of other near death experiences and it's 619 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: it's just a great support group. You know, they understand 620 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You feel at home. Uh, you 621 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: go out and you deal with the world as it is. 622 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: And every month or two you can go over there 623 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and be amongst friends that I'm dealing with the same things, 624 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: and you talk to him and you feel like you're 625 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: at home, and you recharge your batteries and then you 626 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: go out there and you do it again. And speaking 627 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: of recharging batteries, one of the things that I found 628 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: very helpful for me is um I call it meditative prayer. 629 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: When I can get up in the morning and just 630 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: be very very still and very quiet and pray. And 631 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: then after I pray, just be very still in meditating, 632 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: just try to open my mind and my heart and 633 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: listen for answers. And that has given me the closest 634 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: thing that I found to my n D. That's the 635 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: strongest connection I have. Can you walk us through that again? 636 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: What you do? I usually get up in the morning 637 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: early before my wife is a and all our kids 638 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: are grown, so we don't have kids in now. I 639 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: hear you have sixteen grandchildren. I got sixteen grands Like, 640 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people around here, but you know, 641 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: not just my wife and I live here. Fortunately, you know, 642 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: so we don't have to at our age, we don't 643 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: have to deal with sixteen screaming kids all the time. Anyway, 644 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I get up for the early in the morning, before 645 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: she does, I like to come in. I got a 646 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: chair that i'd like to sit in. ID like to 647 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: leave the lights off. I wanted it as quiet as possible, 648 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: and I just bow my head and I pray, and 649 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: I pray until done praying. It might take five minutes, 650 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: it might take ten minutes. Whatever I want to share 651 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: with God, whatever I want to ask God about or 652 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: tell him, I do. And then I like to sit 653 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: still for five or ten minutes and just listen. And 654 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how often when there's something that's 655 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: troubling me that it's you know, and I don't hear 656 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: a voice. It's people say, oh, God spoke to me. 657 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: I've never heard a voice, even in my antie, didn't 658 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: hear a voice. You just know, answers come sometimes and 659 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't come, but it always puts me at peace. 660 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: So maybe that is the answer. Maybe just the pieces 661 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: the answer. I have to say. Since we're on the subject, 662 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: one thing that has distressed me a bit is I've 663 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: met a lot of people over the last few years 664 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: that our interests that are involved in the near death experience. 665 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people that I met that I have 666 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: not had a near death experience but are interested in it. 667 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: There seems to be they read a lot, they theorize 668 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: a lot, They're looking for answer, a scientific proof, you know, 669 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: they talk about it a lot. And I think all 670 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: those things are great. I think you know, in my opinion, 671 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, your your prayer is part of your spiritual life. 672 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: Your your study and your your search is part of 673 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: your spiritual life. But one thing that I see that's uh, 674 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: I think it's the third leg of it is just living, 675 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: going out in the world and living and sharing and 676 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: serving and loving and being loved, you know, the contact 677 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: with other people. And sometimes I see the n D 678 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: movement with a lot of study and research and and 679 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: reading and writing and contemplation, but I think we also 680 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: have to take the lessons that we learned from the 681 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: n d E and act on them. Also, I don't think, 682 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about unconditional love and we 683 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the love that we felt on 684 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: the other side, I think that that we're we have 685 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: to share that love. And I think I think the 686 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: love can be dead if we're not, if we're not 687 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: touching people with it and we're not sharing it with people. 688 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: And when I say sharing it with people, I mean 689 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: actively getting out in your community and your in your 690 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: environment wherever you might live, and given that word of 691 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: encouragement to somebody that that's down on their luck or 692 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: is having a troubled time, you know, uh, sharing a 693 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: laugh with somebody, you know, going to stop and bind, 694 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: visiting somebody that you haven't seen in a while. I 695 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: think we learned from each other and we're teaching each other, 696 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: and that is part of the that's part of the 697 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: journey that sometimes we don't get involved with as much 698 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: as we should, where we help each other and others 699 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: help us. Pat we're going to go in for our 700 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: last break and when we come back, I want to 701 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about service, because it's really great 702 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: to learn about the afterlife and near death experiences. But 703 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: you're right, how do we live our lives and putting 704 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: this all into action? So we're going to hear more 705 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: in just a minute from Pat Johnson. You're listening to 706 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 707 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Stare right there. 708 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: There's more Sandra coming right out. Thanks for listening. Keep 709 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: it here on the I Heart Radio on Coast to 710 00:38:49,560 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 711 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're talking with Pat 712 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: Johnson about his near death experience and what he's learned after. 713 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: And if you're somebody interested in near death experiences, you've 714 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: absolutely got to check out our friends at IAN'S which 715 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: is the International Association for Near Death Studies. For over 716 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: forty years, they have been collecting stories of people's experiences. 717 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 1: They are on the forefront for sharing all information about 718 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: the near death experiences. There's always a conference in the 719 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: late summer. This coming one is going to be in 720 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. It will be online also in person, 721 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: and you can find out where your local ions chapters 722 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: are on the website. You do not have to have 723 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: had had a near death experience to join. It's a 724 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: great group of people talking about the afterlife, talking about 725 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: living life powerfully, and they do lots of things online also. 726 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: So their website is i ans dot org. So it's 727 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: the letter I A and d S dot org. So 728 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: let's get back to you, Pat. We were just talking 729 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: about being of service before the break and what are 730 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts about being of service to others and really 731 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: how to treat other people? I think just acknowledging somebody 732 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: just saying I see you. You know, you're valued, you know, 733 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: and and there's many different ways that you can do that. 734 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: Just a kind smile, thank you, let me get that 735 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: door for you. So so many ways that we can 736 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: do it every day, all the time. And those are 737 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: the things that lift our spirits and we can give 738 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: it for free. It doesn't cost us anything, you know, 739 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: we can every time practically, lem me turn around. You 740 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: can have a positive effect some somebody. Simple things really 741 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: do matter. And I do think that for each one 742 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: of us hearing all these different stories, you know, there's 743 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: definitely a message that we can take away from it. Yes, 744 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: and the messages for all of us, for everybody. It's not. 745 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't exclude one single person walk in the face 746 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: of this earth. This is all about love and togetherness 747 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: and connectedness and what we can do for each other. 748 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, how can anybody not want to live that life? Yeah? 749 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: And I think to Pat, there's so many different stories 750 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: that have happened that I've heard of interviewed a lot 751 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: of people that have had the near death experiences, and 752 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: they're different stories with a lot of common themes. But 753 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, some people, you know, you might have seen 754 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: the light through the glass and the souls, and some 755 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: people have seen deceased loved ones, and I mean different 756 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: There's so many I think, you know, not any human being. Um. 757 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's many different experiences as there are people 758 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: living this this earth, um, But each one of them matters. 759 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: And you can be so inspired about us being souls, 760 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: having a human experience about what our life is for, 761 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: and also have the comfort that this life is just 762 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: part of a much bigger hole. Yeah. And I think 763 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: we know the lessons, We know the messages. Everybody knows 764 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: most most of your major religions are based on these themes. 765 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: But when you experience it with other people, it inspires you, 766 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: It makes you more aware of them. It takes it 767 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: from you know, it helps you take it from a 768 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: thought or our feeling, and it gives it legs and 769 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: feed it. It inspires you to make it active in 770 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: your life, you know. And we need that from each other, 771 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, we need to inspire each other. And uh, 772 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: that's the fuel that we need to run on, you know. 773 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,240 Speaker 1: So you're surrounded by like minded people that want to 774 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: make things better and it's a battery recharge. You go 775 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: out the next day absolutely work with a with a 776 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: little pep in your step, and it's inspirational to the 777 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: people that you run into after that. That's why it's 778 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: so important to stay plugged in and recharge ourselves and 779 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: have people in our life that speak this same language. 780 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: It's so important whether you're listening to podcasts, going to 781 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: a seminar, reading things online, reading books, coming to one 782 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: of our live classes. Oh, we've got tons of great things, 783 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: but it's important to stay plugged into the bigger pictures 784 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: so you remember who you are. So Pat, I want 785 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: to thank you so much for being our guest today 786 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: and ask if you have any closing words. Oh, thank you, Sandrad, 787 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,959 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for all the hard work 788 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: that you do and spreading the messages and and the 789 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: insights that you've been given and that your guest share 790 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 1: with the public. It's it's just super important. And just 791 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody that's listening, you know, just 792 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: to fill your heart with love and go out there 793 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: and spread it and and be aware of what's going 794 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 1: on around you and look for those opportunities to encourage 795 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: each other and to encourage other people around you. Yeah, 796 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: and it all starts with the four letter word of love. Right. 797 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's right. And we gotta give legs and 798 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: feet to it. We got to be out there touching 799 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: and hugging and patting each other on the back and 800 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: doing what we have to do to lift people up 801 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: into the glowing spirits that we all want to be. 802 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: I've been thinking this week about mother Teresa, and if 803 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: you were at our most recent Sunday gathering, you would 804 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: have heard me talking a little bit about her. And 805 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: if you've been listening to this show, you know we 806 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: offer a freeze Sunday service that's unlike any other service. 807 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: I think it's got a little bit of prayer. Some 808 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: music videos some readings have be address. We call it 809 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: words of Inspiration to get you started for the week, 810 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: and always have a medium demonstration so that members of 811 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: our online congregation get messages from their loved ones and 812 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: everybody gets to see that life goes on and your 813 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: loved ones are only a breath away. They're cheering you 814 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: on in life. But last week I had read this 815 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: quote by Mother Teresa, and our interview with Pat just 816 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: now just reminded me that everything we learn about the 817 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: afterlife is for two different reasons. One is to help 818 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: us through the incredible pain from grief. It is the 819 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: most horrendous thing any human being will have to go 820 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: through ever. And the other thing is it helps us 821 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: live a good life. When we take away that fear 822 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: of dying and we know that our loved ones are 823 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: around us, cheering us on. It's almost like they left 824 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: for a vague cacation before we can go. We're too busy, 825 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: still working and we're going to catch another flight, but 826 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: they left first, so they're there and they'll be waiting 827 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: for us. Even our pets will be there. But while 828 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: we're here, we really make the most of it. And 829 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: as great as it is to look for evidence of 830 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: the afterlife. What's important is to use the messages like 831 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: we just heard from Pat. So I'd like to read 832 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: to you the Mother Teresa quote that I read this 833 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: past week on our Sunday gathering. Spread love everywhere you go. 834 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: First of all, in your own home. Give love to 835 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: your children, to your wife or husband, to a next 836 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: door neighbor. Let no one ever come to you without 837 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: leaving better and happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness. 838 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: Kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in 839 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: your smile, kindness near, warm greeting. And we all have 840 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: our own version of God. Whether you want to believe 841 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: it's a bearded guy sitting on a throne somewhere out 842 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: there in heaven, or it's the light that is within 843 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: all of us, that connects all of us, but we 844 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: all have a sense of this higher power. I have 845 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: a couple other quotes by Mother Teresa that I just found, 846 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: and it goes along with what Pat says and about 847 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: how to live life. This one says, intense love does 848 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: not measure, It just gives. You know. What would it 849 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: be like to go through life and look into somebody's 850 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: eyes and see the soul behind that person, behind all 851 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,959 Speaker 1: that baggage or those things that irritate you about them. 852 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Just to see a pure 853 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: soul and give them love no matter what. Here's another one. 854 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: Let us always meet each other with a smile. For 855 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: a smile is the beginning of love. I know we've 856 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: lived a long time wearing masks, but a smile is 857 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,919 Speaker 1: the best accessory going. It really is, and it makes 858 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: people feel warm. There's so much fear that we have, 859 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: but just a little smile to say, hey, I see you. 860 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: And here's the last one. At the end of life, 861 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: we're going to be judged on the basis of our 862 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: love for one another. Well, here's a little secret. From 863 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: all the people I've interviewed and everything I've researched, guess 864 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: who judges you at the end of your life. Are 865 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: you ready for it? It's you. You get to look 866 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: back on your life, experience a life review of sorts, 867 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: and experience the different times in your life where you 868 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: made a difference for another person. If there's times that no, 869 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: maybe you said something you shouldn't have, or lied or 870 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: hurt another person, you get to experience it from their perspective. 871 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: Not as a make wrong, but looking at yourself and 872 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: your soul. Did you do the right actions while you 873 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: were here on earth? And if you didn't, what could 874 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: you do in the future. You see, when we travel 875 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: to the unseen world the afterlife, we continue to learn, 876 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: we continue to love, and we continue to grow. Those 877 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: things that we didn't end up doing while we were 878 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: here on earth, we still have an opportunity to do them. 879 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,240 Speaker 1: Nothing is lost. But if we do have this life review, 880 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 1: why not take a look at your life and my 881 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: life now, clean up the things we need to clean 882 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: up for, apologize where we must, and have a new slate, 883 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: turn over a new leaf. Life is an amazing place 884 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: and we really can't live it when we have too 885 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: much baggage on our back. So even forgive yourself. We 886 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: human beings do the best job we can with what 887 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,760 Speaker 1: we've got. So there's no sense in stewing in the past, 888 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: are worrying about the future. Just be present because the 889 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: present moment. Yes, it is a gift. So a reminder. 890 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: Our home base is we Don't Die dot Com, where 891 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: you can find past episodes. You can attend our free 892 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: Sunday gathering. You can join us for one of our 893 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: wonderful online courses or medium demonstrations. And if you go 894 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: to the store page and you want a copy of 895 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: my book, We Don't Die as Skeptics Discovery of Life 896 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: After Death. Just scroll down on that store page and 897 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: to find the audio book use coupon code free f 898 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: R E and be my guest. You'll also get VPDF 899 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: file if you'd rather read it. So in closing, I 900 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,360 Speaker 1: want to thank our friend Pat Johnson for being here today. 901 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for listening to Shades of 902 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 903 00:50:53,120 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 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