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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give the edge to Ryan Bader. He had

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of recycling going on. You got

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Speaker 1: Luke disagrees. He thinks Moldowski is the perfect setup for

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Speaker 3: Just despite you all go fourth round tko Ryan Bater.

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Speaker 3: But that's mostly just to be a thorn in your side.

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Speaker 2: It's entirely possible.

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Speaker 3: And kudos to Benson Henderson for taking a fight that

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Speaker 3: If he loses, it's you know, I think that what

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Speaker 3: many options as let's say, of the UFC. Maybe some

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Speaker 3: sort of more like legends matchups for Bendo that'd be

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Speaker 3: really nice to see. I think a lot of these

431
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Speaker 3: former champs have earned the right to have fights against

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Speaker 3: guys of you know, relative skill, and I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of times and the example I always kind of

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Speaker 3: point to is Matt Brown versus Miguail Beza, Like how

435
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Speaker 3: much did that did the damage Matt Brown take really

436
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Speaker 3: do to elevate Miguel Beza. I'd say he got a

437
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Speaker 3: lot more rub off that Santiago Ponz and Nibbio war.

438
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Speaker 3: But I think these promotions have a bad habit a

439
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Speaker 3: lot of times of feeding their legends to guys who

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Speaker 3: aren't going to get too much off that name value. Right, Like,

441
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Speaker 3: there's times it works like Isy versus Anderson Silva kind

442
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Speaker 3: of passing that torch.

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Speaker 2: A lot of times I think fans look at and

444
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Speaker 2: more as, Oh, I guess that guy is shot versus oh,

445
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 2: this like young hungry guy looks amazing. Kudos to Benson.

446
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Speaker 2: I hope he does well.

447
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: Bellator generally does a pretty okay job at making relative

448
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Speaker 3: matches for their aging guys.

449
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Speaker 2: But yeah, man, dude, Islam might be the real deal here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great showcase for him to try this.

451
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned kudos to Ben Hendo for taking the fight.

452
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Speaker 1: Vegas DraftKings has it as minus two to one. I'm sorry,

453
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Speaker 1: minus four to ten. Islam Mamadov is your favorite plus

454
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Speaker 1: three ten Benson Henderson, So excuse me you mentioned Henderson

455
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Speaker 1: three fight losing skid. It's tough to see because he's

456
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Speaker 1: competitive in these fights. I mean, yeah, he got sent

457
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Speaker 1: to another level by Michael Chandler, but that's Chandler coming

458
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Speaker 1: on at that moment, entering free agency, looking to be

459
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Speaker 1: in his best possible shape, which he catapults to the

460
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Speaker 1: UFC from there. But then Benson Henderson loses three round

461
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Speaker 1: decisions to Jason Jackson and former champ Brent Primis. So

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not one of those the j Jackson

463
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Speaker 1: of course, with a welterweight bout in between, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting fully destroyed and handled. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's always a tough out, he's defensively responsible, all that.

466
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Speaker 1: But you lose four in a row here with a

467
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Speaker 1: couple of them against younger contenders looking to go. I

468
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Speaker 1: wonder if we start talking about if that's it for

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Speaker 1: Benson Henderson, I mean, if he gets stopped here. I

470
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Speaker 1: think you're definitely saying that, But I wonder where we're

471
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Speaker 1: going there in terms of what this fight will look like.

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Speaker 1: Though you don't have a lot of great success taken

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Speaker 1: down and dominating Benson Henderson from top position historically, can

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Speaker 1: Mamodov do this possibly?

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Speaker 3: I think we saw Jason Jackson have a bit of

476
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Speaker 3: success if I recall correctly, but that's it a weight

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Speaker 3: class up. I don't think Benson needs to be competing

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Speaker 3: at welterweight unless it's against a really favorable matchup like

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Speaker 3: Jason Jackson. You know, he's a top level guy in

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Speaker 3: the bellot or welterweight division. I think Islam's capable of

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Speaker 3: doing it. I'd like to think Bendo's technique will hold up,

482
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Speaker 3: but let's be honest, like that grappling defense isn't what

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Speaker 3: it once was, probably because the division is caught up

484
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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times we.

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Speaker 3: Focus on the downslide of the losing fighter, the aging fighter,

487
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Speaker 3: and forget that this is a rapidly developing sport. And

488
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Speaker 3: it feels like every time someone's like, oh yeah, wrestling

489
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Speaker 3: is the key to this, someone like Izzy shows up

490
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Speaker 3: and says no, no, no, my striking is next level

491
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Speaker 3: and can negate a lot of this, and then you

492
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Speaker 3: see Habib come along. So it's an ever evolving sport,

493
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Speaker 3: and I think that's why it's so hard for these

494
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Speaker 3: former champs, these older guys to keep a leg up.

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Speaker 3: I like Islam's chances of making this a really dirty

496
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Speaker 3: if not a takedowns like right up against the clinch.

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Speaker 2: Sort of fight.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's gonna maul Benson Anderson. I

499
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Speaker 1: think it's gonna go the distance. But I think this

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Speaker 1: will be the biggest win for Islam. Mamadov Oh no, Look,

501
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Speaker 1: the Brent Permis win is a big win, although it

502
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Speaker 1: was a split decision, but those are two sound solid

503
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Speaker 1: wins to package together to try to make that leap

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Speaker 1: into instant title contendership. And to your point on you know,

505
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Speaker 1: what's the new trend? Is it? Wrestling is at jiu

506
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Speaker 1: jitsu of coursing to Vanessa Demopolis of the UFC, it's

507
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Speaker 1: stripping shack, which is the perfect sort of.

508
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Speaker 2: Have you ever tried that?

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Speaker 3: Listen? That's such athletic man, I had. I had a

510
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Speaker 3: friend kind enough to like the first time I ever

511
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Speaker 3: went to a strip club to.

512
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Speaker 2: Buy a booth, we got our own pole.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah good. I could hardly stand up on that thing,

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Speaker 2: let alone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know I didn't expect the conversation, but here

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Speaker 1: we go. Check.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, how often how often do you get the

519
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Speaker 3: chance to prove your metal?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I know you come on, don't lie you if you're

522
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Speaker 2: at a fire station. You're not going to try and

523
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Speaker 2: swing around on that thing.

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Speaker 1: Once my dad was a fireman, I did. I My

525
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Speaker 1: dream was to come down the pole right from from

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Speaker 1: the second foot.

527
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Speaker 2: I made my way up that sucker.

528
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Speaker 1: I was never allowed to for insurance purposes.

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Speaker 2: But yes, Ryan, is what I'm gathering here.

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Speaker 1: I was telling you to keep his daughter off the pole.

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Speaker 1: But you know, look at.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a that's a child's well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were going to say that's a

534
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Speaker 1: dated worldview. Women could do whatever they want. No, for sure, absolutely, Shack.

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Speaker 1: I see all those here, Yeah, I see all those

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Speaker 1: decorative fighting What is the shirt saying, yeah's.

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Speaker 2: For existential dread? I specifically got the tie die for

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Speaker 2: you today.

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Speaker 1: I like the tied eye. I don't know if you're

540
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Speaker 1: trying to make some kind of hipster statement using.

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Speaker 2: Word yeah the NK millennial.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any. I think it's

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Speaker 1: all washed dads. Shack, you do have decorative fighting belts

544
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Speaker 1: behind you. Do you agree with that meme that says

545
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Speaker 1: anyone wearing that in public should have to defend it?

546
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Speaker 2: Dude? I went to a WWE.

547
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Speaker 3: Now look like this these are like set pieces, right,

548
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: that's that's about twenty five dollars kids UFC belt from Amazon.

549
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd wager you've worn that in public

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Speaker 1: at least once. I'd wait.

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Speaker 2: I can't say.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, ten year old Shack made quite

553
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Speaker 3: the run of defenses with that under you had a

554
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Speaker 3: belt over there. But I went to a ww Liva

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Speaker 3: Bett and I saw a doe with like a belt

556
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Speaker 3: on each shoulder round the waist, grown man.

557
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Speaker 2: Look, passion is a beautiful thing. You love what you love.

558
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Speaker 3: But that that man has more confidence than I do.

559
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: I will I will drunk, try and do a spin

560
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Speaker 3: on the stripper pool. I will not walk around a

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Speaker 3: live event clatt I had to tow and replica championship belts.

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Speaker 1: You know, every man has his own line. He'll draw

563
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: on what's lame, what's appropriate. You know for me, like

564
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: you bring a baseball glove to a Major League baseball

565
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: game and you're not with your song where you're above

566
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Speaker 1: the age of twenty one, you should probably be executed.

567
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Speaker 1: But you know, I used to work with it with

568
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Speaker 1: a great guy, Jim Basketball at ESPN, who had a thing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you know, if you're a grown man. You're

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Speaker 1: wearing the uniform of your favorite team. You know they're

571
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: not going to sign you. You're not playing for them

572
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: next week. What do you do? You know, that's to me,

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Speaker 1: that's a little extreme. You know. I tend to you know,

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Speaker 1: I like to wear the retro NBA jersey. But that's

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Speaker 1: just me. I play. I played hoops in a Cherokee

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Speaker 1: Parks Mavericks jersey the other day. Philt felt very uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hear you get in people's faces directly.

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00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's the only forum I'm where I can

579
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: do that, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: There is I like to think you verbally do it

581
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Speaker 3: to Luke Thomas three times a week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's truth in that regard. Also on this

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Speaker 1: card Shack Beltur two seventy three from Phoenix, Aiden Lee

584
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Speaker 1: versus Henry Corralis. There's certainly names you know on here,

585
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Sabahamasi versus Julia Willis. But kicking off the prelim card

586
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: on YouTube earlier in the night, we get ourselves some

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Speaker 1: big tuna. When Ben Parrish comes back to take on

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Speaker 1: two and zero Sullivan Cawley, are you as intoxicated with

589
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: uh this? You know? Middle American folk hero underdog as

590
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: myself and the rest of the world is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a hairy, bald bastard, but he's got heart.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there is getting you in trouble.

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Speaker 3: I did to ask, Hey, do you want the Ben

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00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Parrish interview? And you're like, yes, did you ever follow

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00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: through with it?

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Speaker 1: I you know, I've ran out, I got covid, ran

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Speaker 1: out of time, never followed through. I should have done

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Speaker 1: that for the MK.

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Speaker 2: So keep in mind, keep in mind you.

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Speaker 3: I was kind enough for all of you done to

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Speaker 3: me to say, hey, I can get some big tuna

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Speaker 3: out of me.

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00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: But I know BC. I know BC's a fan. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna let him have it this time. And you didn't

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00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: do either of us the favors.

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: So I should have. I mean, I've still hung up

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Speaker 1: on him mentioning his dad was in the Mob, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what kind of like Kansas City Mob oz

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Speaker 1: oar season four? Are we talking out here? I gotta

611
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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if Ben Parrish is a

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Speaker 3: legitimate heavyweight contender. I guess we'll find out. I say,

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Speaker 3: just keep like feeding cans him for now just I

615
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: don't I don't need this.

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Speaker 2: If he becomes a world champ, beautiful, we'll get there,

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Speaker 2: but don't rush it.

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Speaker 3: Like, just give me some big tuna. I want it sloppy,

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Speaker 3: I want it heavy.

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Speaker 1: Just oh, shack shack. We still talking about Ben Parrish here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, bro, let's just yeah all right?

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Speaker 1: Uh well, I think they should open the main car

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Speaker 1: with him to be fair. I you know, I don't know.

624
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes Bell Tor's burying Valerie Larada on the prelims card

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell him how to mettak. By the way,

626
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Speaker 1: he's in a prelim main event Darien Caldwell against Enrique Barzola.

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Speaker 1: So this should be a good cardinal altogether. Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern Showtime. Go to show time dot com.

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Speaker 1: Get your thirty three days. All right, moving on to topic

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Speaker 1: to it. Oh quick reminder here, not this Saturday, but

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Speaker 1: next Saturday, we do have a big time boxing match

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Speaker 1: uck Keith Thurman on pay per view against Mario Barrios

633
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Speaker 1: for the PBC. I had a nice sit down with

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Speaker 1: Keith Thurman. I'm sure we'll run a little bit of

635
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Speaker 1: sound next week, but you can check it out right now,

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. The former welterweight champion

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Speaker 1: of the World. He hasn't fought in two and a

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Speaker 1: half years due to injuries, fatherhood, COVID all that interesting talk.

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Speaker 1: He still refers to himself in the third person. Check.

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Speaker 1: I know you're not a monster boxing guy. So when

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Speaker 1: I say Keith Onetime Thurman, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: I haven't watched him one time?

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Speaker 1: All right, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

645
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Speaker 3: I saw Tyson Fury on the lineup and I'm like, Wow,

646
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: if my phone battery dies, I hope is before that got.

647
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: I think I've told Luke this before when I was

648
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: when I first started, I was working at ESPN as

649
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: an editor, and I would get a couple like, hey,

650
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you want to write this MMA story, you want to

651
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: write this boxing story, and you know, I get a

652
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: couple of bylines and just hustling. But I didn't know,

653
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: Like I knew. I watched UFC, I watched the pay

654
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: per views, but I don't know undercard, Like at that point,

655
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm not in it, right. Yeah, And you know, some

656
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: radio station and like IOWA or something, sees your name

657
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: on a byline, they get a hold of you and

658
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: you join and you do a little radio hit preview

659
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: in the UFC car coming up, and you're like, yeah, man,

660
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: this is great, you know, I want to make a

661
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: name for myself. And then you're on there and they're like, well, Brian,

662
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: around here, we're a fan of these women's fights, so

663
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: let's go to this deep undercard the Facebook only prelims.

664
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Which of these women's fights and why is going to

665
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: be the best fight. I remember having like an in

666
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: moment panic of like, I literally don't know what to say.

667
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these fighters, and hanging up

668
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: the phone to pretend I had like you know, connection issues,

669
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: and then when and then quickly, you know, I ghosted them,

670
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: and then when they call back, like you know, ten

671
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds later, I loaded up the info and I

672
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: was able to finish the job. I don't I've never

673
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: shared that public thing before because it's largely pathetic.

674
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: But you gotta do.

675
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, look to be to be a guy

676
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: that wants the ball in the clutch right, that wants

677
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: to be on camera in the big moments, you gotta

678
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: have failed. You gotta be Kobe Rookie year against the

679
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: Jazz airball and four three pointers in the final minute,

680
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you know you got you gotta take that L as

681
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: they say, all right, let's keep it going before your

682
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: phone takes that L and you're dropping out of the show.

683
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Dana White did a interesting, an interesting ESPN plus Q

684
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: and A with Laura Senko, which the timing was very

685
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: interesting because of all the negative headlines about the Francis

686
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: and Gano fighter pay situation. So when Dana slides into

687
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: address a bunch of superfights, but check before we quickly

688
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: get into that super fight talk, Dana wasn't asked or

689
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: at least, you know, he was asked many questions by fans,

690
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: but they curated it, you know, fairly carefully, so he

691
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: never was asked a question about fight or pay or anything.

692
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: But he did go out of his way to say, oh,

693
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: by the way, anyone that you guys thought I, you know,

694
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: ghosted Francis to disrespect him. I had a run back

695
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: stage for an incident. I wasn't able to be there

696
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: after the fight to put the belt around the waist.

697
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: What was interesting, Shaq is Data didn't address at all that.

698
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: He also didn't show up to the press conference at all,

699
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: nor did he of course address the accusations that the

700
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: UFC threatened to sue his manager for talking to Jake

701
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Paul in company. I'm not gonna go down the full

702
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: Jake Paul road with a disc video. We could save

703
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: that from Monday show, which I think a lot of

704
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: people are exhaling. But let's be let's be raw and real.

705
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Did you see this whole situation like I did, and

706
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: have any other emotion beyond damn data. There's a freaking

707
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: dirt bag. I mean, come on, bro, right, I mean,

708
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: come on, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to

709
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: get both of our press credential, but like that, nothing.

710
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: About that across the border with nothing.

711
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Look genuine bro, nothing nothing.

712
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the Dana White playbook, right.

713
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: Like I remember very clearly the first event, the second,

714
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 3: the first pay per view event I ever covered live

715
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: was UFC two forty one.

716
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: That was the second Miachic.

717
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Cormier fight, and if you remember, it was Nate Diaz

718
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: versus Anthony Pettison the kmain event. And after the match,

719
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: prior Jorge Masvidal does some press why is he at

720
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: the scrum right? And he says he's got something good

721
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: in the works. After the peedest DS fight. Yes, calls

722
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: out Masvidal and right away there's not one but two

723
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: cameras on game bread. So I asked Dana the press conference,

724
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: It's like, so you know masideal mentioned the fight, YadA YadA,

725
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: Is this something you guys have been working on?

726
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: He goes, no, who are you kidding? So you know, yeah,

727
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: that's that's.

728
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: Dana White's job. He's he's a politician. We've seen we

729
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: saw Trump do it for ages. He just denied, deny, deny,

730
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: and it is what it is. But let's be honest.

731
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, come on.

732
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: Who believes that at this point? There's some Dana White.

733
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: There are people that are like suckled to the teet

734
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: of Dana White who just linger on every word.

735
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people.

736
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: You're not.

737
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: I'd like to think most of these fans aren't. And

738
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 3: so it's just you just take everything with a grain

739
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: of salt. It's been in a Dana White to get

740
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: like fight updates and that's about it.

741
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: But Dana is so Dana that there are moments where

742
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, that was some cold blood

743
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: of dirt ball shit. But you way to be that bold.

744
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: I applaud you, Dana, because it's just like, you know,

745
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the guy pushes through walls, he gets stuff done. He's

746
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: monstrously successful for a reason. But these were this is

747
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: just one of those bad tastes in your mouth moments

748
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: though it's hard to ignore. But the business, the super

749
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: fights that he's talking about, uh Kenry Sohuto was mentioned,

750
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: and of course we remember Shudo throwing his name in

751
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: there to try to fight Alexander Volkanowski when that the

752
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: who is the Volkanovsky supposed to defend against Max in

753
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: the in the trilogy excuse me, Max Holloway and getting

754
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: shut down. Here's Dana's updated quotes on Henry Shudo. Well,

755
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: we just had to Hudo talking about coming back. If

756
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: he really wants to come back, there's a process that

757
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: he has to go through, which includes getting back into

758
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: the usadapool. And if that's really the fight he wants,

759
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: he wants to come back and fight either Yan and

760
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Russia or Sterling whoever is the champion, or something crazy

761
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: like jumping up a weight class and really taking on Volkanowski.

762
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: So this essentially just says we're not going to give

763
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: you the brock Lessner treatment and speed up the amount

764
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: of time that you need to be in the USADA pool,

765
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: or eliminate that altogether like we did ahead of UFC

766
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: two hundred. If you want to do this, you gotta

767
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: do it right. No more ordering off the menu GSP

768
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: style and calling your shots. That's it, right.

769
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't he say that Shudo could come back

770
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: to fight sterling Yan or maybe even Volkanovsky like it

771
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: was a couple of weeks ago where he's like, no, man,

772
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: that's not how it works, to which I mean, come on, data,

773
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: That's how it worked when GSP came back.

774
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 2: That's how it works for Connor every single time.

775
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying Shudo is or isn't like those guys,

776
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: but it just the fact that two weeks ago, the

777
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: idea of su Hudo jumping in to an immediate title

778
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: fight in any division was ludicrous, and.

779
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: Now Dana White's opening up to it.

780
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: So you know, like whatever, aside from Holloway, there's not

781
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: a super clear contender at present for the featherweight titles,

782
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: So if Suhudo comes through, I won't be I won't

783
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: be super upset, but it man, listening to Dana talk

784
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: about fights, is it fights and matchmaking and fighter rights

785
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: is just it's it's Jersey Shore levels of entertainment.

786
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: It's it is. It is extreme at times, depending on

787
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: what stance you're on and what stance he's opposing. But

788
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: back to Suhudo, I feel like the window just closed

789
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: for me. I was a big advocate of him fighting Volkanowski,

790
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: but I liked the idea a lot more when it

791
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: was you know, last minute fill in or hey, there's

792
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: no immediate guy at the moment, and we don't want

793
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: to do the max one just yet, let's do this one.

794
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: I think that windows closed. But I think mac Henry

795
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: excuse me, is doing the best move for him, which

796
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: is to go verbally. After the payoda Yan fight. You

797
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: know he's coming out saying I'll fight him in Russia

798
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: a rocky fourth style. Look, he's gonna cut the lines

799
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: easier to go back to his actual weight division. I

800
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: believe VANDAM weight. I don't think he's gonna be subjected

801
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: to some of this like Dana White hard speak of

802
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: get in line, get tested, you know, fight one or

803
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: two times first. No, I think if he's really serious

804
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: about doing this against Yo do Yan, then maybe the

805
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: timing will be perfect Shack because maybe him taking the

806
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: time to re enter the usadapool and training up for

807
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: this can coincide perfectly with Yan potentially cleaning up the

808
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: mess that is the top of this vandamweight division, you know,

809
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: reclaiming the belt if he ends up doing that in

810
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: the rematch with Sterling, and you know, maybe there's time

811
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: for even another one in between there. But either way,

812
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I think you should start if you're the promotion building

813
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: toward the idea of Suhudo versus Yon, because it's it's

814
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: a pretty big fight at the end of the day.

815
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: Suhudo Man, I don't think people give him enough credit

816
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: because the cringe Dick is just that cringey.

817
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: But man, dude's got his head on right right.

818
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: He's got the podcast spot with Mike Tyson, He's building

819
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: the super Camp of Killers with Davis and Figuero and

820
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: Joangway Lee and John Jones and Yerie Prahashka is supposed

821
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: to go and work down there. Man, He's hitting all

822
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: the right notes and for him to sort of recognize

823
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: his value and say, you know, I could just jump

824
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: in once in a while for a world title fight.

825
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 3: Maybe not based off of just strictly named value. But dude,

826
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 3: only UFC champ champ with an Olympic gold medal league,

827
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: the pedigree is legitimately there, and it may not be

828
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: with fans always seek, but for those who are in

829
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: favor of the fighters getting what they can monetarily, you

830
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: got to support a guy like Henry Sahudo who's not

831
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: gonna go in there and take unnecessary damage until the

832
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: prime opportunity is there, the intersect between legacy and money,

833
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: and I'm all for Henry Sahudo doing it, so long

834
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: as it's not at the expense of a very clear

835
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: contender in either the bantamway or featherweight divisions.

836
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: I think that's why when TJ. Dillashaw does come back,

837
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: you put him there, You put him in there against

838
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Josie Aldough and you say, I know, you sort of

839
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: had a title shot already locked up, but you kind

840
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: of lost it with the injury, and you know, and

841
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that That them the breaks in this division.

842
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: But look, John's got to get through Sterling first to

843
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: close on Dana and super fights. He was sort of

844
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: asked by Laura Sanko at the end, you know, if

845
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: he could make one super fight for the fans, you know,

846
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: despite any issues, what would he do, Like, what's the

847
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: what's the one fight of the moment? And he said,

848
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: all right here, off the top of my head, as

849
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: far as super fights go, it's John Jones and Francis

850
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: and Ganu. The only other one that comes to mind

851
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: would be sir Hudo versus Yan or Sahudo versus Sterling

852
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: or even Volkanovski. So he's identifying at least Hudo having

853
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: multiple options and being a potential superfi guy, which is

854
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: which is interesting in a step forward. But in regards

855
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: to him, and he had a couple other comments about

856
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: Jones and Ganu, particularly Dana. Let's give him the credit

857
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: where it is due. He did say it was a

858
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: genius game plan in adjustment from Nganu to wrestle and

859
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: put gan away. Shack I went all week on this topic,

860
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: Jones versus in Ghanu in the calendar year of twenty

861
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty two. What percentage of odds do you give that

862
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: of coming off?

863
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Is there?

864
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: I mean you never want to say there. I'll go

865
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: ten percent. You know, I think a lot of times

866
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: we've seen fighters come out and complain about their purses,

867
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: or the negotiation the contract details they have with the UFC.

868
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: But generally what happens is the UFC gives them just

869
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: enough more to be content and they go silent.

870
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Right.

871
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: The difference with Francis and Gandu at this point, it's

872
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: not a monetary issue. It's a matter of principle. He

873
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: is not happy with how the UFC is treated him.

874
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: He is not happy with the terms of his corrent

875
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: tract or furthermore, and more importantly, how these UFC contracts

876
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: are structured. And that's an issue that runs down, runs

877
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: from top to bottom. Will Francis and Ganu compromise or

878
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: his beliefs or made those beliefs change. Possibly, But at

879
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: present he is the first guy to rea not the first,

880
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: but the first in this sort of modern era to

881
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: really go out there and say this is wrong. The

882
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: way I am being treated is wrong systemically, and I

883
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: want those terms changed.

884
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Is there dollar value, perhaps, is

885
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: the dollar value of.

886
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: The UFC will part with I don't think so. I

887
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: just see in Ghanu being gridlocked for a while, and

888
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: that's the shame, because in some ways we're as close

889
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: as we've ever been to that fight it makes the

890
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: most sense because there're no other clear contenders. Dana White

891
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: is ready for it to happen, but I just I

892
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: expect in Ghana to hold out. And the longer this,

893
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, I was thinking about this the other day,

894
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: the longer this holds out the worst because you know,

895
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: the fight or pay issue is not maybe I mean,

896
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: I don't know the statistics or the contract details, but

897
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: at least in the surface, it's not a race issue.

898
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: It's an issue that affects every fighter. But I can't

899
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: help but think from Canada looking down when I think

900
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: of sort of race relations in the US, the stuff

901
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: that at least gets fed here most frequently is black

902
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: rights and Asian rights, And so I can't help but

903
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: wonder that even if it's not put to the forefront

904
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: like we saw in Gon who shared that text message

905
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: that is agent God that races text message, I can't

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: help but wonder, as the story continues to build, if

907
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: people don't start to whether that be other celebrities, politicians,

908
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: someone starts to sort of.

909
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Associate with the.

910
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: Underlying theme of a black fighter speaking out about how

911
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: white ownership is suppressing their value to make their ability

912
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: to make money their ability to explore their options. I

913
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: don't think that's what in Gondu is going for, but

914
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: I can't help, but wonder if that storyline becomes more

915
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: and more prominent, if large third parties start catching, you know,

916
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: really paying attention to what's going on, and that might

917
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: have a huge effect on just.

918
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: Without without him leaning into it, without using it as

919
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: a strategy.

920
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's intending to do that, or no,

921
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: he's really made steps to do that, But I can't help,

922
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: but wonder if that's an extra thread that may emerge

923
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: over time Unlessen well, I'm all foreign god, who's standing

924
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: up for what he is deserved when it comes to finances,

925
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: his ability to explore other options. These guys are independent

926
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: contractors and they're not treated like it.

927
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: Well and Gon who's already just such a you know,

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: steel wrestling terms to monster Babyface at the moment and

929
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: like every possible category, if he ended up getting an

930
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: unnaturally large sort of celebrity and global support for this

931
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: from those same you know things you'd saying, even though

932
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't try to go, you know, go down the

933
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: race road, it would be it would be part of

934
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: the you know, it could become part of the conversation.

935
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: That's why I think when Luke Rocold had that wacky

936
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: idea of sort of this all African power Front union

937
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: of Usman out of Sonya and Ghano, it's like it's

938
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: almost like pro wrestling Nation of Domination sort of storyline booking,

939
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: and it's and it's going in other areas of politics

940
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: and stuff, but it also would work. It's just it's interesting,

941
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: fighters at this point really need anything, any kind of

942
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: leverage they can get to. And look, I hear a

943
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: lot of weird. I think it's weird when you get

944
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: when you get too locked up on the fighter paid

945
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: debate in either direction, it can get a little weird.

946
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a there's a responsibility for journalists to

947
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: at least put it to the forefront like we're doing

948
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: and of course sprinkling in our two sents of saying,

949
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: look like they deserve it. Okay, let's just get there,

950
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: like let's make the justice happen. But there's a there's

951
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: the flip side of like people that have no state

952
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: say or stake in this of just like and Gano

953
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: was greedy or he's stupid, or didn't he turn down

954
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: seven million per fight. No, he turned down a deal

955
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: that would have paid him seven million in total over

956
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the course of multiple fights, and would have extended his

957
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: deal exceedingly further under these same conditions that he's fighting against.

958
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's it's wild and it's the

959
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: most uncertain and craziest times in this category. But when

960
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: you add in, of course, the Ngano injury they're sitting in,

961
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: you gotta believe UFC brass is sitting in that war

962
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: room now going Okay, interim title, We're gonna throll it

963
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: out this summer. What's the best thing we want to do?

964
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: Steve A.

965
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: Jones?

966
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to do? Gan Jones? You know, like,

967
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: what do you want you want to do? Lesnar, what

968
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: do you want to do?

969
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: Right?

970
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's the conversation they're really having right now,

971
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: and maybe business wise they should be having. Let's keep

972
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: the show going. Topic three big UFC news. I don't

973
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: know if this was floated in response to all the

974
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: in Ghanu negativity, but a great fight UFC is booked,

975
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: as Dana White told the ESPN bretts Okamoto for confirmation

976
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: UFC two seven four that's going to be May seventh

977
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Sinkle Demio weekend. It won't be in Brazil due to

978
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: some vaccination issues and all that in terms of travel

979
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: off for UFC, But it's going to be Charles Olivera.

980
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: It's going to be the lightweight title. It's going to

981
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: be justin Gaichee. I may need to uh and you

982
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: may need to roll paper towels to celebrate how excited

983
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: I am about the shack your thoughts?

984
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, first I do just I want to apologize because

985
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: my phone's at that ten percent mark. The pre show

986
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: properly took it out of there, so I want to

987
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: say it now so I we can just keep rolling.

988
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: Thank you Brian for having me. Thanks of the MK team,

989
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: thank you for all the donks putting up with me today.

990
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: So we're here until you until your yes, and I

991
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: will I will.

992
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: Try and see if after I die, if I can

993
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: figure something out and resurrect myself.

994
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Tom dude, it's on brand for MK. Unbelievable, keep it going.

995
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: The courtesy is I let the fans know a how

996
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: of die, Paulivera, Gaigie, I mean talking about talk about

997
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: talking about something being shut off here right? This is

998
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: so exciting. Charles Olivera is such a complete fighter, but

999
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not giving him the respect that Brent Brookhouse

1000
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: would like me to give him, and like all of

1001
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: us to give him. The fact that he gets hurt

1002
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: in every one of the fights. He got rocked by Chandler,

1003
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: he got rocked by Poorrier, and now you're going in

1004
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: there with Justin Gaichee, the juggernaut of the division. You

1005
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: can't help but be a little bit scared for Olivera,

1006
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: who has a whole complete game right now but is

1007
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: still hittable. On the flip side, we saw Gaiche's submission

1008
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: defense against Habib. Boy was it lacking, And I know

1009
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: it He'll be working on it diligently.

1010
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: But this is one of those great fights. And this

1011
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: is the kind of fight.

1012
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: You would get back in the day, right A jiu

1013
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 3: jitsu guy versus a boxing guy, a wrestler versus a kickboxer.

1014
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: Now it's so much more fun than when it happens

1015
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: because you get two complete athletes that either have one

1016
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: predominantly strong skill over the rest or one weakness. For

1017
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: Ali Vera, obviously he's got a record setting submission game.

1018
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: Justin Gaichee, that power is just unrivaled at one fifty five.

1019
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: So, man, anyone who isn't excited about this does.

1020
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: Not have a pulse because this is just this is

1021
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: just violence personified. And if all evera wins man, we're

1022
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of lightweight pound for pound grades.

1023
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: You really gotta start discussing where he falls in that ladder.

1024
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and I think the conversation about how quickly

1025
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: the mileage is going to add up for all of

1026
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Vera who even before this incredible win streak, had fought

1027
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: all killer, no filler. You know, he's here to steal

1028
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: Chandler's line for a short time, a good time, and

1029
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: it may not last through this fight, but he's so

1030
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: red hot right now that who knows? Who knows? Because

1031
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: this man we already know Justin Gaichee resides in hell

1032
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: in terms of what the style of fights he likes

1033
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: to get in. He may be craftier during this, you know,

1034
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: this most recent title run and of course the victory

1035
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: over Chandler, which wasn't technical, that was that was manly.

1036
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: But that's at the end of the day, who Justin

1037
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: gait Chee is. That's also Charlie Olive's just his savagery

1038
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: because he's found a way whereas gai Chie lives in hell,

1039
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: Charlie's found a way to reside there, vacation there once

1040
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: in a while and be just fine there. So damn

1041
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: you love that. Dam dude, I don't get all this gear.

1042
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: For as long as we have you on here, can

1043
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: you explain that there's a side of the audience it's

1044
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: like gatesheet and deserve to be back here. He only

1045
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: won one fight. He lost to Habib, just like everybody else.

1046
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: FBC's theory that he was one leg strike away from

1047
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: putting the champ in peril.

1048
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Oh he strike away.

1049
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: There you go, Thanks for speaking the truth. But I

1050
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: don't get how people just don't look at this guy

1051
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: as an absolute stud who could be your next champion

1052
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: and somehow think that, you know, he lucked into this.

1053
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. You have to put an

1054
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: asterix aside anyone who has a loss to Habib. And

1055
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: that's not to say Habib isn't amazing. It's just to

1056
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: say the only reason lightweight is as exciting as it

1057
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: is now is because Habib so graciously took mercy upon

1058
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 3: the division and left right.

1059
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: So the way I look at it is.

1060
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: When you're looking at matchmaking at the top of the division,

1061
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: you almost have to just kind of scratch out Habib

1062
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: because Habib isn't a factor in this division anymore. Who

1063
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: is the best guy outside of Habib? Would it be

1064
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 3: nice if Justin Gaichee was coming in on a win streak. Sure,

1065
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: but you've got Islam and Banil tied up. You've got

1066
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: now potentially Tony Ferguson and Michael Chandler tied up. Connor

1067
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: isn't fighting right now, Dustin Poier is coming off the loss.

1068
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: There's no immediate contender, but we're getting there, right Islam

1069
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: Banil that will be the next number one contender. In

1070
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: the meantime, Justin Gaichie is the guy because, like I said,

1071
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: outside of that, Habib lost, because everyone loses to Habib.

1072
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: He was on a killer stretch, knocking out guys left

1073
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: and right, beating Tony Ferguson at the time where Tony

1074
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: Ferguson was still considered that guy to beat Habib. Justin

1075
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: Gaichie is entirely deserving of this fight. And beyond that, Look,

1076
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: there's something sick and twisted about Justin Gaichee coming out

1077
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: and saying that he doesn't think his Michael Chandler fight

1078
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: was all that excited and he doesn't get the allure

1079
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: around it. That was the fight of the year. That

1080
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: is the kind of guy you want to see fighting

1081
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: for the world title.

1082
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: A guy who thinks a three round war one of

1083
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: the best fights of all times. Like, Eh, slow day,

1084
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: that's the guy you want fighting for them. I can't wait.

1085
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait, and about to say goodbye to you

1086
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: because you're about say goodbye to us technologically. But this

1087
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: does mean this is better. What's great about this news

1088
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: is Connor's not going to parashoot in to get an

1089
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: undeserved title shot. You know, he's probably more likely to

1090
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: fight Nay the third time or Max the second time,

1091
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: or what have you. Do you see the same Connor

1092
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: McGregor correlation. At least you're like, phew, because I don't

1093
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: need ALIVERA McGregor right now. I don't need that.

1094
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: No, neither do I I understand where Connor gets a

1095
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: leg up in terms of the title fight, but at

1096
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: this stage, fortunately Connor McGregor made the early investment into

1097
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: his mic work and into his octagone career, where he

1098
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 3: is a pillar of this sport.

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00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: He is a top draw and nothing is going to

1100
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: change that.

1101
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 3: I know the UFC likes to put gold belt in

1102
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: their main event spot, Connor McGregor does not need a

1103
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: gold belt to sell major pay per views. In fact,

1104
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: I would argue Charles versus Connor doesn't sell as well

1105
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: as Connor versus Night because there's a huge market of

1106
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: UFC a casual UFC fans that just want to see

1107
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: the names that they're very familiar with. Dustin Prye worked

1108
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: himself into that position by beating Connor McGregor, but that

1109
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: star power doesn't immediately translate, you know, from Connor to

1110
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 3: Dustin to Charles OLIVERA. Connor doesn't need the world title fight.

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00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: It's not in his best interest either, so don't do it.

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Goodbye, and that is Shaquille, Missouri. Thank you for your time, sir,

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00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us on today's Morning Combat. Check

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00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: out his work CBS Sports dot Com. Also, I think

1115
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: believe is shak Fu YouTube channels there whatever he calls them,

1116
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: in multiple sports. There's a lot of good wrestling content

1117
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: as well, so appreciate you being on shack BC will

1118
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: take you home, though, folks, the rest of the way.

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00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: Transitioning to our fourth topic of the week, EGOFC makes

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00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: its US debut this weekend. It's Habib Normalga Medov's MMA promotion,

1121
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: of course, out of Russia. It's gone global, It's gone worldwide.

1122
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: And they got a couple of names on this piecemeal

1123
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: gas station hot dog of a card here that at

1124
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: least people are taking notice of. Main event, of course,

1125
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Tyrone Spahng versus Sergei Karatanov, and of course Rashad Evans Sugar.

1126
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 1: Rashad the former UFC champion his forties now what nine

1127
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: years removed seven eight years removed from his last victory

1128
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: I believe, in twenty thirteen, but recharged mentally, spiritually, emotionally,

1129
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: physically going in there against submission specialist gabrielle Cheko in

1130
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: the comain ray Borg also on the card, couple a

1131
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: lot of smash factory hopeful as well with Habib's farm

1132
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: system here, and it should be interesting a couple of

1133
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: different reasons. I like the way that the promotion has

1134
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: used Chail Sound in a very strong and powerful role.

1135
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Has all of Eagle FC's you know, darts hit the bulls,

1136
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: I know, but I like the attempt they did. I

1137
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: believe it was after the press conference or way in

1138
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: this week to do sort of a round table show,

1139
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: no traditional host, but Chail handling it alongside Habib the

1140
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: promoter and his fellow stablemates on the managerial side, Kamara

1141
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Usman and Henri Sajudo, So you had a lot of

1142
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: star power there. They It was a little sloppy, it

1143
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: was you know, it was hit or miss, but but

1144
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: there were some some parts that were certainly legit. And

1145
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of celebrity backing in this and name

1146
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pull off though a better you

1147
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: know menu Tom May fans than basically BKFC Triller level stuff.

1148
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: And this has some higher elements than that, you know,

1149
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: this is that's an insult to this in some levels.

1150
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

1151
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I like that the state of Florida is finally starting

1152
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: to wake up. This main event was supposed to be

1153
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Silva, who should be nowhere near a fight like this,

1154
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: And the state, you know, Florida State Commission stepped in

1155
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: and made a change. The State Commission just stepped in

1156
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: and made a great change. By the way, I think

1157
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: was just yesterday on the BKFC side, when Melvin Gillard

1158
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: was announced to headline an upcoming fight card and the

1159
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: State Commission denied it, which rightfully so, because Gollard's lost

1160
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: something like fourteen consecutive fights across MMA and bare knuckle

1161
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: boxing and like seven or eight knockouts in there, and

1162
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, the ghost of Joe Riggs just sent him

1163
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: to hell in like a minute and knocked him almost

1164
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: out of the ring in his last fight, and they

1165
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: pulled him from the card. In fact, the Association of

1166
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: Boxing Commission had Mike Mizzouli, who works, you know, with

1167
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: the with the Mohican tribe in Connecticut and his regulates

1168
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: all the most of the Bellator cards, if not all,

1169
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: I believe. He said, look, BKFC, you've got to you've

1170
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: got to reevaluate your roster and what you do. And

1171
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: I like that this is at least a conversation, you know,

1172
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: I saw the extended press release from the commission saying that, like,

1173
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, your market is these thirty five and older

1174
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: guys on the way out, and that's exactly their market.

1175
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: But they got to be careful here. So Tyrone Spong

1176
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: versus Sergei Kratanov not an awful fight by any means

1177
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. Tyrone Spong had just tried to transition,

1178
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, of course got the decorated kickboxing background, but

1179
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: he tried to transition into you know, heavyweight boxing, got

1180
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: the Alexander Usik fight before Usik of course had to

1181
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: upset Anthony Joshua, only to lose it for a failed

1182
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: drug test at the last minute. Now he's back on

1183
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: this side of things. I'm gonna be interested the first time,

1184
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: just like anybody else, to see the production value. I

1185
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: know they don't have a traditional TV deal. I think

1186
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: to be able to watch this on Saturday, you've got

1187
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: to go to their promotion website and stream through there.

1188
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: But gona be interested to see. You know what the

1189
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: announced team is, is it chail call in the fights?

1190
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: And you know what they can start to do when

1191
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: when the power of the name is put forward. And

1192
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't underestimate that power, but it's gonna come in

1193
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: the matchmaking. So I don't know, by the way, if

1194
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: we're getting shocked back, there may be a chance technologically.

1195
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: If not, I'm just gonna keep rolling on topic five.

1196
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Oh so we're gonna check it out. Uh the Eagle FC.

1197
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: I know so of course. Also, Kevin Lee and Diego

1198
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Sanchez just had their press conference for the second card

1199
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: from this promotion in the US, which is coming. I

1200
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: hope for Shot Evans is okay because I think he

1201
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: should compete and be good in this. It's not the

1202
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: safest career move, but having to know him, getting to

1203
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: know him, like I have hosting the CBS podcast with him,

1204
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, doing all the work on Morning Combat, CBS

1205
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Sports HQ. I love that man, and mentally he isn't

1206
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: in the right place for this. But is it advised. No,

1207
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: physically probably not. But let's see if he can potentially

1208
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: end his great Hall of Fame career on his own terms.

1209
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: We'll check that out. Quick hitters coming at you to

1210
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: close here UFC revealing Dana White in that same Q

1211
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: and A with Laura Cenko that the promotion is interested

1212
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: in Michael Chandler versus Tony Ferguson for this next fight.

1213
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: So this is interesting on the surface. Obviously, it seems

1214
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: like can't miss two legendary names, two action heroes. Yeah,

1215
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: just throw just throw him in there. It's gonna be batchit, crazy,

1216
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: freaking fantastic. This is the type of matchmaking that is,

1217
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: it's like a bowl cereal, right, I can't you can't

1218
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: affoid it. You got I mean, you know, remember when

1219
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: ces A Bathia said that time in the prime of

1220
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: his career. He was like, you know, I lost almost

1221
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: one hundred pounds in the off season because I stopped

1222
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: eating cereal. And they were like, dude, how much cereal

1223
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: did you eat? And he was like a box of

1224
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: uh or I think it was like multiple boxes of

1225
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: Captain Crunch per day and or no per sitting. He didn't,

1226
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, need a full box in a sitting. And

1227
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, and it led to extreme awake

1228
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: gain obviously, And I'm like, you know, I've been there

1229
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: at different points in my life. I've Sabathia at that

1230
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: level and it's it's a hell of a drug. Okay.

1231
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: So I don't know how we got into cereal, but

1232
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: my my, you love this. But my only fear here

1233
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: is that Tony is a little bit more washed than

1234
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: we even fear, and that if he's got a short

1235
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: window left of very fun. You know, legend fights are

1236
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: big name fights. I'd much rather see him against Connor

1237
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: McGregor or Nate Diaz or you know Dustin Poorier, I

1238
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: then I necessarily would Chandler maybe not Poorier, But I

1239
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you get my point, And my point

1240
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: is I'm being greedy here. I beggers can be choosers.

1241
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I'd rather use this bullet for something else. I think

1242
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Chandler's still He's still in it, man, you know he's

1243
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 1: still gonna You know, it's not impossible that he would

1244
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: get another title shot working his way back around, you know,

1245
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: just the same. He could lose every fight from here

1246
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: on out and just be an action star who knows,

1247
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: who knows. But I feel like he's got a little

1248
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: bit more in there. So I'm being extra greedy there.

1249
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: Boxing shake up, Well, this only boxing could do. There

1250
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: was some reporting, there was some hope, some thought that maybe,

1251
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: just maybe Tyson Fury could get into an undisputed championship

1252
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: out with Alexander Usik for all four titles like right

1253
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: now next. It was gonna take some incredibly heavy business

1254
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: swingling and not a hut to do it legally is

1255
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: to offer step aside money to people. So in this case,

1256
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury had a mandatory challenger and Dillian White, so

1257
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: they would offer step aside money to White and then

1258
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua of course has a contractually guaranteed rematch with

1259
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Lusik after losing the three belts to him by decision

1260
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: last year. So the thought was, if we also pay

1261
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: off Anthony Joshua, we could make them step aside. It

1262
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: is common practice, the step aside thing. It's not, it's

1263
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: not a backroom deal, and make Fury versus Usik right now.

1264
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: And I didn't believe it. I saw Gareth A. Davis,

1265
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: the Warlock, had had a report on that. I just

1266
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: didn't believe that we were really that close that that

1267
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: could actually happen because I I don't I don't see

1268
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: the same full on motivation in all parties to take

1269
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: the step aside money right now. You know, I like

1270
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: to just say, okay, go ahead. You know, I don't

1271
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: see where that necessarily benefits them. And it was hard

1272
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: to believe to Anthony Joshua had come out in the

1273
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: middle of that and said, you know, I didn't make

1274
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: those comments with where is this interview coming from? I

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Speaker 1: never considered. But the most recent report is from my

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Speaker 1: Coppinger of ESPN, and who's saying, according to his sources,

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Speaker 1: the agreement in principle for both Dillian White and Anthony

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Speaker 1: Joshua to step aside collapsed at the last minute after

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Speaker 1: parties attempted to renegotiate in the eleventh hour. So according

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Speaker 1: to that reporting, they were pretty damn close to this

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Speaker 1: potentially happening. But it's not gonna happen. So here's how

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Speaker 1: the future will play out. Tyson Fury will fight Dillion White.

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Speaker 1: Friday's purs bid coming up. I don't know if that's today.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the perse bid today, I believe.

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Speaker 1: So the pers bid would just dictate whoever puts the

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Speaker 1: highest bid in would be the promoter and could take

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Speaker 1: it to any network they want. So that's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's most likely that this becomes an ESPN plus pay

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Speaker 1: per view. But Tyson Fury against Dillion White is a

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Speaker 1: big time fight. So if this is the fallout from

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Speaker 1: not getting Fury versus USIK now and not getting that clarity, now,

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Speaker 1: you gotta love it. Dillion White is awesome and if

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01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: you don't know him, he's gritty. He was, you know,

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Speaker 1: an early rival to Anthony Joshua and the amateurs. Then

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Speaker 1: they fought as a pro and in White had josh

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Speaker 1: We heard but Joshua rallied for the knockout and it

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Speaker 1: was like the first big test that aj walked through

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Speaker 1: the fire and did it. And since then, Dylan Whitsch's

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: just been a terror to everyone in this heavyweight division

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Speaker 1: except for those those couple of top names that he

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01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to fight yet. And although he got

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: one punched by Alexander Povetkin when he was the mandatory,

1303
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: he won that back in the rematch and avenged it.

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01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: So that's a tough fight for Tyson Fury and they

1305
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: know that. But you did see Tyson Fury clowning the

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01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: crap out of presumably Eddie Hern and Anthony Joshua for

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: turning down the money in multiple of Twitter videos and

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01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: IG videos. It was pretty interesting. They say this, this

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Speaker 1: fight's gonna go down in Saudi Arabia by the way,

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Speaker 1: for Tyson Fury. Interesting. Interesting to close here on your

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01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: quick hitters. Jeremy Stevens has ended his very lengthy career

1312
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: promoted promote fighting with the promotion of the UFC it

1313
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: is it came out to be that his name was

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01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: removed from the roster. Jeremy Stevens confirmed it and now

1315
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: according to Arieljwane Stevens is like this close to signing

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: on with PFL, which is interesting because at thirty five,

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: he's such a fun banger at times even you know,

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: it's I say, at times he is a fun banger.

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: There's been times when he's curtailed the violence just enough

1320
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: to try to make a run or to try to evolve.

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01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: And credit to him for doing that, you know, just

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: despite always in his heart being a all or nothing

1323
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: home run swinger. But I thought he might go straight

1324
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: to BKFC or trailer triad. He's gonna stop at PFL

1325
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: and continue this run. He's thirty five years old. So

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Speaker 1: at first I'm like, Okay, you know, he's won some,

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Speaker 1: he's lost some. He's not in the best run of

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Speaker 1: his career, but it can't be that bad. Right then

1329
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: you look at the you know, you forget how they

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: add up, and you look at the record and you're like,

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: oh crap, he's zero and five with one no contest

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: in his last six. And it's you know, he always

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: fights killers. I mean, he's the losses are Josie Aldos

1334
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: a beat Calvin Cador, Yeahar Rodriguez, Miteas Gamra in his

1335
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: last fight a submission in the first round. It's just

1336
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of caught up with me that he's already here,

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: even though he's thirty five, and even though he's had

1338
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 1: a you know, absurd amount of fights. Was he twenty

1339
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: eight to nineteen forty eight total fights? But when you

1340
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: look at the record in the recent run, you go, oh, yeah, yeah,

1341
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: it is kind of time for that next step, that

1342
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: next level PFL. We'll see, we'll see if he can

1343
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: compete there. I mean, you know, it's interesting. I thought

1344
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Pettis was going to come in and compete, and

1345
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: he found out the hard way right away. So that'll

1346
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: wrap up the news. The news as it was the

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: top five topics of this Friday. Setting up the weekend.

1348
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: Of course, Bellator Eagle FC what I had been putting

1349
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: off all week answering your questions. We know about how

1350
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: to get to us right morning. Combat at gmail dot

1351
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: com is our email address for Wednesday fan submissions, normally

1352
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: Friday dead wrongs, but these are Luke Thomas segments, so

1353
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: while he's away on vacation, we will hold those, but

1354
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: dms from donks we send out that Instagram post every

1355
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Your response to that ig post makes up

1356
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: this pool of questions. Leave. My production staff is trying

1357
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: to get a hold of me. Here, what do you got?

1358
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: What do you got? People? All right, Shack may be

1359
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: back alive. I don't know, but here we go. Here

1360
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: are your questions answered? It is called d M from

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01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: dunks all right, he haw, he haw? BC taking your

1362
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: solo from at Sasquatch Toys. When are we going to

1363
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: get factory town MMA championship belts made? Oh wow? All right,

1364
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: that's extreme now now you could say we are already

1365
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: living in the extreme on Morning Combat Dot Store when

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Speaker 1: we're doing Hawaiian shirts with BC's face and freaking drug rugs. Right,

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, or I don't know the Christmas

1368
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: underwear with lucanized face on your on your Sasquatch so um,

1369
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: but you can you can manscape that, by the way.

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: Uh so is it too far to go Championship bell?

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down this lane. We're probably

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01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: already here. Would they sell? I don't know, because I

1373
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: never thought the Hawaiian shirt would sell with my face

1374
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: on it, and we couldn't keep those in stocks. So

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: thank you for being so weird. P Ones stay you know,

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01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: stay in arms, maybe a six ft maybe a stone's

1377
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: throw away from us except for at you know, publicly

1378
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: securitized public events. But I'm kidding, but yeah, I'd like

1379
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: to see some other things first, all right, I like

1380
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: to see my Randy Coutur, Bob Marley hat, you know,

1381
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: Fidel Castro hat. Come come on there. But you're probably

1382
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: sick of talking about merch already. Let's keep to the

1383
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: next question from at JPT underscore working. This guy's working it.

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't the UFC push Izzy as the face of

1385
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: the company. He has more follower followers than maz Videl

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: and Jones on Twitter and ig Is it because he

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01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: lost or because he was in New Zealand during the

1388
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: pandemic loved the show? I think this is an interesting

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: question because you do have to look at you know,

1390
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: you sort of reset every once in a while and go, Okay,

1391
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: Connor is still Connor for now, but he's not gonna

1392
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: be Connor forever. You know, who who's the next pay

1393
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: per view stars that you can potentially build around where

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, of course, just be successful and get to

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: that level. They gotta win and be champion at least

1396
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: championship contenders. But obviously sometimes you can just you can

1397
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: just be an all action guy, or you can just

1398
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: be marketable and relatable as hell and you can get

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: on one of those runs of Must see. Why hasn't

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: that fully happened for Izzy? I think that's interesting because

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01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: just you know, a year and a half ago, that's

1402
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: that guy who you're like, Okay, next five seven years,

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01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: who's gonna who has the potential to be the face?

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01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 1: There's there a lot of son yet, but it hasn't

1405
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: fully connected and it may not ever get to where

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01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: you know, I thought the potential could be, or maybe

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01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: that the UFC thought the potential could be. Is he's

1408
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: a little bit weird, right, but you know it's like

1409
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: he's in he he he wins you over. If you're

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01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: just like tough guy, love the mastery, mastery of the sport,

1411
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: and you're just like, man, that guy's so guild, I

1412
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: love him. Then you know he has the Gaslom fight

1413
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh damn, he is an action star too.

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: On top of that. But I think he lost a

1415
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: great deal of momentum with the yol Romero fight, even

1416
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: though he won it. I think that was the moment

1417
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: where it was he had potential to bust thro even more,

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: just like had he beat Yan Blohovich and the Jones

1419
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: feud thing continued, and then it suddenly, oh, he's a

1420
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Speaker 1: two division champion. Could he go to heavyweight? That was

1421
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: gonna probably end up being the magic carpet that would

1422
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: have taken him there, And that's not gonna happen, at

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01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: least not right now, most likely not ever. Right I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do eventually see him going up to light heavyweight,

1425
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: but will he end up being a two division champion?

1426
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: Nothing's guaranteed. I thought he would be further right now.

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01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: I think the more you get to the personalities, it's

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. But you know, does connect to

1429
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: a younger audience in the video game audience and all that,

1430
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know. I don't think he can

1431
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: be a great trash talker and flashy and all that.

1432
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: But you gotta push him. You gotta push and you

1433
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: know we saw certain moments of that. You know, Paula

1434
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: Costa could push those buttons a little bit. But you know,

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: whenever somebody's not a massive draw on their own, like

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: a Usman, you need a Covington you need your own

1437
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: McGregor to get your to get you there, And uh,

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01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: I think that is he's a much more you know,

1439
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: naturally stronger draw than nuseman. For sure, it has much

1440
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: brighter potential. But let's see if he gets there all right?

1441
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: From at Scott R. New is Henry Shudo the Diddy

1442
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: of MMA coaches all up in the videos, the interviews,

1443
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: dancing and all the cringe Who's death Row Whitman with

1444
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: Team Elevationman question mark. I love the spirit of this question,

1445
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: of course, but uh yeah, I don't know, because, like

1446
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, did did he did he make you know

1447
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: his buddy b ig in some ways that that the

1448
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: Notorious One couldn't have filled in and needed that friendship

1449
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: and relationship and and and you know the professional back

1450
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: and forth. Or did did he really ride his tails

1451
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: and score a big hit after his death about his

1452
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: death and all that? Maybe both can be true, and

1453
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: maybe both can be true on Henry so Huno. He

1454
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: can be cringe. He could, whether purposely or not, steal

1455
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: the spotlight a little bit, but he's also proving and

1456
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: let's not forget that Eric Alberta seeing the Captain is

1457
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: a monster. Part of the brain trust of what Shudo's

1458
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, using to become this great coach and develop

1459
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: this reputation. They're getting it done. So when you join

1460
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: with them, you know they can help. They can help

1461
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Davison Figurato who doesn't speak English, right,

1462
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: they can help, you know, give some some some sort

1463
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: of image to that. And I think in other situations

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01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of why I think Shaq was right

1465
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: in saying Suhudo's on a heck of a run right

1466
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: now in terms of presenting himself, in terms of, you know,

1467
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: the different things he's putting his hands in. He's really

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01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: smart in that he uses the cringe disarm you and

1469
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: then sort of move in and and he's sort of

1470
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: in his own way. I'm not because there's nothing cringey

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: about his fighting style, but he's used other ways, you know,

1472
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: in his fighting style to to really develop the IQ

1473
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: and smarts where to use feints in strategy and and

1474
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a pretty damn smart fighter, and

1475
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: and I think he's able to bring that mindset to

1476
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: the coaching here. So yeah, you make it up in

1477
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: the video, right, he may hang u Vanilla Ice by

1478
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: his ankles. Obviously that was Shug Knight. That's Suge Knight documentary, right.

1479
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still on the Showtime app

1480
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: But that's a that's a wild ride. That's I don't

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Speaker 1: anybody saw that. That's Shugar is who they who they

1482
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: thought he was? Yeah, yeah, So that's it. He's living it.

1483
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 1: He lived it, he's still living it all right. From

1484
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: at Elia seven four five. If you can press a

1485
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: button and extend the Muhammad Ali Act into m m

1486
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: A right now, would you look? It's an interesting question

1487
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: because the Ali Act hasn't been perfect for boxing my means.

1488
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: But the spirit of it, right, what's the spirit of

1489
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: it that you know, you can't manage and promote a

1490
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: fighter at the same time. That's the spirit of the

1491
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali Act. And and it's basically, you know, you

1492
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: can't control everything, which is to the credit of UFC,

1493
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: Dana White, ZUFA before that they they are who they

1494
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: are now due to their smarts and their balls and

1495
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,879
Speaker 1: their creativity as marketers and promoters. Yes, but by creating

1496
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: a form a platform in which they hold all the

1497
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: damn cards. And they were able to do that because

1498
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: they picked up UFC when it was dead, when it

1499
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get on regular TV, Like you have to always

1500
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: remember to refactor that into it. I mean, it was gone.

1501
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: It was a good it was. I mean that you

1502
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: could still watch it and follow it if you were

1503
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: a hardcore, of course, but it was not trying to

1504
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: show up in your day to day life. And there

1505
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: wasn't the Internet as you know, prevalent.

1506
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: It was.

1507
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: It was barbaric at that point. So it was gone, right,

1508
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: and it was It wasn't a sport. It was like

1509
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: a experiment that was fun but failed. You know. It's

1510
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: like I mean, it's like you kind of put it

1511
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: in line at the VHS store next to Faces of Death,

1512
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: but before the porn, right, I mean, it fit into that,

1513
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: And now it's so damn polished up and it's here

1514
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: because they control everything in the matchmaking the best fight

1515
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: the best, and they keep them underpaid and hungry and

1516
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: coming at it. So it's always gonna be hard as

1517
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: we continue these conversations and look at the fallout because

1518
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,879
Speaker 1: as I always quick to say, like when we finally

1519
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: get an MMA, what the fighters deserve, it's gonna handcuff

1520
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: some of what makes or a lot of what makes

1521
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: UFC great right now? I mean there's always gonna be

1522
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: hungry and willing fighters and all that, and you're and

1523
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: there's so many great fighters under roster. Now we're in

1524
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: this era right now, you know active that it almost

1525
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter in the end if if somebody gets into

1526
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: a dispute and sits out for a while or whatever.

1527
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you can just keep reloading. But at the

1528
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's what the fighters deserve. So

1529
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: could I extend the alet wuld I extend the Aliac

1530
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: by in MMA by pressing a button now and saying

1531
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: whatever we have to deal with, we have to deal with. Yeah,

1532
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 1: because it's what the fighters deserve. And you just do

1533
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 1: the math with with how you compare it to other sports.

1534
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: They're not they don't have insurance, they're not paid well,

1535
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, like they're they're this is is not a career.

1536
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: It's a short opportunity to make a lot of money

1537
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: in a short window. But it becomes a career for

1538
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: so many of these guys, and they deserve more. So

1539
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: if it was something like the Aliyac to make that

1540
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: change happen, you know, it's it's it's what's right so

1541
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: you got to take what comes because of that, you know,

1542
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: from at Connor dot DC thirteen is RDA in the

1543
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. It's funny we do the the The

1544
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: High Court episode with with U with Chuck Mindenhall, which

1545
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: we had a fun time doing, but yeah, it was

1546
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: based on an actual sort of argument in you know,

1547
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: I definitely don't ever want the default of, oh, that

1548
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: guy won a UFC title once, so he's automatically in

1549
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, because that's not always true, you know,

1550
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: even like in baseball, like okay, the guy won the

1551
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: MVP that one year, but it doesn't mean they were

1552
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame type. Bisping I always felt was

1553
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: either right there or right below it, you know. I mean,

1554
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: he's the one you can make in a real argument for.

1555
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: But what was the thing for Bisping that I just

1556
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: couldn't get over at the end of the day. You know,

1557
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: I love the longevity and the big twilight in the end,

1558
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: and you know everything the one you love everything. I

1559
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: love Bisping, but he really lacked on elite wins against

1560
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: other elite fighters when both were in their absolute primes,

1561
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, and you look a guy like Rda. Not

1562
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: only does he have the reputation side of absolute badass

1563
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: duck nobody fought everybody, fought more guys than you actually

1564
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: remember he thought, oh my god, like this guy's a badass. Oh.

1565
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: He also won the championship too, and he also has

1566
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: a damn good set of wins too. I mean, you

1567
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: look up and down, you're like, oh, yeah, he did

1568
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: beat Paul Felder, Kevin Lee, Robbie Lawler, Neil Magni, Toreque Saffadin,

1569
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: Donald Serroni, Anthony Pattis, Nate Diaz, Benson Henderson, Donald Serni again,

1570
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: Evan Durham, George Sooderopolis back when that was something, right,

1571
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and that was something by the way,

1572
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: back in the day. Yeah, Rdier, you mix all those

1573
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 1: things together. Yeah. And by the way, he also won

1574
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 1: a championship and he's not stopping doing whatever it takes

1575
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: to try to cut weight or you know, reinvent himself

1576
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: again at a lower waight class. Yeah. I mean, man,

1577
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: some of these guys are just badasses. And it's like

1578
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: sometimes like you know, or most of the time, it's

1579
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: not the it's against their own for their own good,

1580
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's always short term success in spite of

1581
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: whatever type of long term damage or or receipt that

1582
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: comes paid or how many losses you take because of it.

1583
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: But I was watching Randy Couture versus Big Knog last night,

1584
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 1: just randomly on fight Pass, and you're just like, man,

1585
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: I mean, these are two old cowboys, right like these are.

1586
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to be like a like

1587
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: a Don Fry, And Don Fry was great in his day.

1588
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,839
Speaker 1: But you look at Don Fry as almost like a cartoon.

1589
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's still knocking out fans in

1590
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: the crowd. By the way, watch out, have you seen

1591
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: this shit on Monday? But you know, you look at

1592
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: him as the gunslinger. But like Coutur and Big Nough

1593
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: were that, but they were also elite, all time, all

1594
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: time greats and and go after it. And I mean

1595
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: maybe that was in some ways meaning that era of

1596
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight nine, maybe that really is

1597
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: the good old days because it was you know, the

1598
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: skill had eve started evolving, not to where it is now,

1599
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: but you still had that old fight feel, that old like, yeah, yeah,

1600
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: my skill that I have over you in the end,

1601
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna help me win. But what's really gonna win

1602
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: the fight for me right now is that I'm an

1603
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: absolute badass and I have balls and I'm just going

1604
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: after it. That's our DA, you know what I mean.

1605
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: And it's not like that's not bizping. But that's why

1606
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: there has to be a line and a difference because

1607
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: our DA also has the wins. So yeah, I'm I'm

1608
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: team captain on our DA doesn't get the love that

1609
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: he deserves and we'll have more of that fine wine

1610
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: reputation as it goes on. Uh, we do have Shaq back. Wow,

1611
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: anything's possible, Kevin Garnett. Can we bring back in Shaquille

1612
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: MAJORI with a Are we going through the cell phone

1613
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: not or whatever?

1614
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: We? Yeah? I meane is your best friend until it's

1615
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: not right.

1616
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: Until it's not They always say yeah, they always say

1617
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: this is a ninety centric show, but uh, you have

1618
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: like a ninety centric tech setup right now and I

1619
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: can respect that for sure. Why don't we te one

1620
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: right up here? On the next one here for one

1621
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: Shack Majory in the midst of this extended d MS

1622
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: from Donks Shack. This is from our I R L

1623
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: I two cool six. I mean, just as Luke was

1624
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: it just an awful handle? Like, why don't you well,

1625
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: we could probably fit a couple of underscores in there too,

1626
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: But she over under When are y'all going to a

1627
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: cannibal corp show? Brian gets in the pits over under

1628
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: one half amount of times? Shack, I not only want

1629
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: you to answer the how many you know the over

1630
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: under on how many times Brian would be you know,

1631
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: man enough to try to go in the pits at

1632
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: a cannibal corpse show. Could you give me any reason why,

1633
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: even for the sake of a documentary, that I should

1634
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: try to subject myself to this atrocity of music and

1635
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: lifestyle and way of living and being and go with

1636
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: Luke to a you know, flesh eating Just uh yeah.

1637
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 3: We already know you go to cannibal corpse show. Time

1638
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: sends you an aw show. See the problem is Brian,

1639
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: Brian so much fun to watch, plus the live experience.

1640
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: I haven't been to an aw show, but you know

1641
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: this the live for us, the experience is a lot

1642
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 3: more fun than like keeping up week to week. Just

1643
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 3: go have a good time. But here's the best part.

1644
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: Luke's actually gonna enjoy himself.

1645
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: It's well he would and that would be fun. But man,

1646
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm falling in and out of love. I can't get

1647
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: myself to watch any product anymore. And I'm an aw guy,

1648
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: but I just man, I got I mean, you know

1649
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: what it's like. Check because you you're a fan and

1650
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: a journalist, so you have to Now you have to

1651
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: live this. You have to live it. And I lived

1652
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: it too, you know, and not only living it, you

1653
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: have to have so much like there's so much there's

1654
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: so much time put in that you don't that you

1655
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: do not ever get the recompensation back to make it.

1656
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: That's that's look, I'm only obligated to watch two hours

1657
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 3: a week.

1658
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: And also we forgot the over under. Dude, you're you're

1659
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: going into that mash bit like three or four times

1660
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: you're sneaking up on people with that rear naked choke

1661
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: that you that you call it.

1662
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I know you're.

1663
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: Too You're too you're too agro on the basketball field,

1664
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: on the basketball court to not jump into that pit

1665
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: a few times. Yeah.

1666
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, let's get out of this pro wrestling talk, as

1667
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: you know. Uh yeah, all right from at Tony G

1668
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: eight three zero five with the best Well, good, good,

1669
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: question here because I did, as I mentioned, watch Randy

1670
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Cotuur lose that incredible twenty twelve Part of the Year

1671
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: contender against Big Nog. There would the best version of

1672
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: Randy at heavyweight compete with the today crop of heavyweights, Shack,

1673
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: are you you're a younger guy than me. Did you

1674
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: grow up watching Captain America? Or is this something you

1675
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: you uh.

1676
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: More a little more retroactively. So I started my first

1677
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: early experiences with the UFC was probably around like two

1678
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, and then twenty

1679
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 3: thirteen is when I really started getting into the fold.

1680
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 3: But I'm familiar with CAP's work. I think these conversations

1681
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: are difficult to have because, like if you were to say,

1682
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: if you were take if you were to take a

1683
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 3: bet prime Randy Coteur and place him in modern MMA

1684
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 3: and give him time to build up those additional skills, like, oh, yeah,

1685
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: that that is a once in a generation kind of athlete,

1686
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 3: like Grandpa does a big But you know, taking the

1687
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 3: prime Randy Cotur and putting him into the modern era,

1688
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 3: the game is just evolved so much. I don't think

1689
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: you can ever really make that translation. But like, you know,

1690
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 3: if me should take can be a top ten bantam weight,

1691
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 3: a woman women's back camera with division chees then anymore

1692
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 3: Randy Cotur, the best Randy Coutur, I think for sure

1693
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: would be like a top fifteen heavyweights.

1694
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I think because the intangibles are so

1695
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: damn strong. I mean, so let me dead wrong myself

1696
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: in real time, I'd said the Couture big knock fight

1697
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: was twenty twelve. Obviously it's it was earlier than that.

1698
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: And as I look at his run, it was two

1699
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: thousand and nine UFC one h two, And I mean,

1700
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: that's a forty six year old Randy Cotur in that fight,

1701
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, and that's basically the fight

1702
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: of the year from two thousand and nine. He's he's ripped,

1703
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, I mean, you can always

1704
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: believe what you want about about before financing drugs and

1705
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: believe me, I do, but you know, I mean, he

1706
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: is fucking ripped in that fight. But that fight will

1707
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: show you. Look, he's really undersized for heavyweight, like really

1708
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 1: like he's undersized for heavyweight, like Frankie Edgar was undersized

1709
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: for lightweight. So it's like for a while he can

1710
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: do it. But then you know the evolution, the adjustment.

1711
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: But the thing in his favor is parts of his

1712
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: game are you know, he was considered ahead of his

1713
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: game to certain degrees back then. Parts of his game

1714
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: are still still foundationally strong, meaning wrestling base, high cardio based.

1715
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: You know, dirty boxing can out buy like you know,

1716
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: can outbox a guy who doesn't have the technique almost easily,

1717
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: as he was doing to Nog at times. Only Big

1718
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Nag was still close enough to his prime that he

1719
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: can he can bite down and counter and that's why

1720
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: that fight is incredible. But the whole cardio wrestling, competent boxing,

1721
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that that still works. You know

1722
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: that still works today?

1723
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 2: Who is the highest ranked fighter you a prime coach?

1724
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: Where could beat right now?

1725
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 3: So off the top of my head, you got like

1726
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 3: ganu Ghan, Maybe it's Mia Chicch, Curtis Blade, Derek Lewis.

1727
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was gonna ask you, because Derek

1728
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Lewis is the is the perfect thing that I think

1729
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 1: makes this difficult whenever you're doing this, whenever you're comparing eras.

1730
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: And it's not just that the evolution of athleticism is

1731
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: the difference between the two it's also well they were

1732
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: very undersized. You know, Okay, Rocky Marciano great first time,

1733
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: but the guys like five, what you know, ten and

1734
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: a half, Like we're gonna put him in there against

1735
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, you know, what's that gonna look like? I

1736
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: don't know that like that that certainly that's part of it.

1737
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: But what is Randy Kutur gonna do with Derek Lewis

1738
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: sitting on top of him?

1739
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1740
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: What is he? Because the thing about even what made

1741
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: that Big Nog fight so great? And again that's that's

1742
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: like sort of the last one of the some of

1743
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: the last great fights from that old romanticized era where

1744
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: like it was more about winning with will than skill,

1745
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: but you still had to be really skilled to get

1746
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: it done. Is Randy like was in such horrible positions

1747
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: like two, three, four times in that fight, and again

1748
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,759
Speaker 1: that's why he's Captain America right, Like him just fighting

1749
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: out of a submission in which Big Nogs sitting on

1750
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: his back digging it in is sort of epic. But

1751
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: you can't make those kind of massive mistakes in this era,

1752
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: especially with a guy as big as Derek Lewis, like

1753
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: potentially laying on you. Forget hammering you with shots laying

1754
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: on you. That size difference maybe is where I need

1755
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: to turn out romanticizing.

1756
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: This, you know, Yeah, perhaps I think maybe like marching Taybora.

1757
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 3: I know that's not like a sexy name in the

1758
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 3: heavyweight division. But he's ranked number nine, August Sakai is

1759
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 3: ranked number twelve, Maybee.

1760
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: He beats those guys. Yeah, sorry, sorry, I'm telling you

1761
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: he beats those guys. I'm saying that those guys don't.

1762
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so top ten heavyweight, I think, I mean, I mean,

1763
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: I think that speaks volumes how amazing Randy Couture is

1764
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 3: if we're discussing, Not to say I'm the authority on

1765
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 3: this sort of stuff, but if we can see them

1766
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: as a top ten heavyweight, now, I mean, that's that's the.

1767
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Else, all right? For this is interesting from at rich

1768
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: P top tier, rich P top Tier. Uh, this is

1769
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna this is going to increase the potential of a

1770
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Bronze Sutter versus Missouri feud. I'm sure does fighters getting

1771
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: paid on crypto fix the fighter pay debate all together? No?

1772
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: Man, this is such a look. I think I know

1773
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 3: nothing about crypto. I'm not inclined to learn anything about crypto.

1774
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, you might be able to see

1775
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 3: a hair of it over there. I still got my

1776
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 3: little Christmas tree up, like I'm too far behind in

1777
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 3: my life to worry about crypto right now.

1778
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: I'd like to think.

1779
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 3: Aaron's just really into crypto and not so much like

1780
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 3: trying to jump at the defense of the UFC. This

1781
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 3: is the thing, right when the UFC comes out and says, yeah, yeah,

1782
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna give the fighters fifty percent of all the

1783
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: NFT proceeds, Well, that's split twenty five to twenty five

1784
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: between those two fighters. One second, how many fighters are

1785
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 3: going to actually how many fighter NFTs are really going

1786
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 3: to sell? Well if top one percent of fighters maybe,

1787
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 3: And again, that's a really convenient time to say, look,

1788
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 3: we're giving fighters fifty percent of something, when the entire

1789
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 3: argument is every other major sport gives the fighters a

1790
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 3: fifty percent, It gives their athletes a fifty percent revenue split.

1791
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 2: You guys say you're.

1792
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 3: One of the fastest growing sports, You're a major league sport.

1793
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 3: Why are your guys only getting sixteen percent? It just

1794
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 3: seems like the crypto and NFT arguments are second to

1795
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 3: the fact that this is a really, really amusing time

1796
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 3: to say, look, we're giving fighters something, how many fighters

1797
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 3: are really benefiting from it?

1798
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the argument Brunster got in

1799
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: was like surrounding like eighteen thousand dollars like that on

1800
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: any budget that fixes nothing. So okay, it's sort of like,

1801
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,799
Speaker 1: you know, I've had a few of these jobs. Unfortunately,

1802
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: you ever have a job where the job sucks. They're

1803
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: paying you crap and that's really not all that nice

1804
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: to you. But you know, every Friday they buy pizza

1805
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: for the whole you know, the whole building, and you know,

1806
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: you know, they just bring in ice cream bars every

1807
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: once in a while, and then you're just sort of like, man,

1808
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: this job sugs the paste. But dude, that free pizza

1809
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: is great. Dude every Friday. I mean that's great. That's

1810
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: that's what That's all this is. So stop stop that ship.

1811
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Well maybe we need to get uh Bronstettter in here

1812
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 1: to defend the.

1813
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I could go. I look good right now,

1814
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: I look.

1815
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: Good Canadian Canadian crime.

1816
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1817
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: By the way, you know I always say this now

1818
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: that I'm you know, becoming an old p pos at

1819
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: forty three. There's just going to be certain things like

1820
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: for me, it's you know, Sean O'Malley, like the character like,

1821
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: it's just I know that I'm old now because there's

1822
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: just certain things I'm not going to get. Right.

1823
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 3: If it makes you feel better I have, I don't

1824
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 3: align with like the Sean O'Malley vibe.

1825
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: It's not I it's same.

1826
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: Well, this isn't this isn't about Sean O'Malley per se,

1827
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: but it's more about me just saying like NFTs dude,

1828
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: like just you know, get that ship out of.

1829
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: Here, right, I know you play Fortnite. I don't even

1830
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 2: play for it. I do.

1831
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I do play for it.

1832
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 2: Don't don't sell yourself short.

1833
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: I do have a Fortnite addiction.

1834
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 2: I guess.

1835
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is something right there, all right. For Oh,

1836
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: how about this guy from at Brantendo sixty four. That's

1837
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: you know that bloke right, he's a Bisbings video guy.

1838
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Oh is it wonderful.

1839
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a he's a p one MK guy too.

1840
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 2: He says, well, he's just putting a good word for

1841
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 2: you because clearly Michael Bisping has not gotten the same.

1842
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, he was cool, by the way, with

1843
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: that high Court. I saw some responses from him. Yeah,

1844
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: he didn't watch it, but Luke had, you know, reached

1845
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 1: out to him ahead of time, so he was like, no,

1846
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: those guy's are just fooling around. Yeah, all right, cool.

1847
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: How much has the flyweight division evolved? How do fig

1848
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: and Moreno compare to Mighty Mouse. That's an interesting question, Shack,

1849
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: because I think it's I don't want to say a

1850
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: lack of evolution, because in general, like the best thing

1851
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: you can do is go on fight Pass and watch

1852
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: fights from two thousand and eight, then ten, then twenty twelve,

1853
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 1: then twenty fourteen, then watch a fight from twenty sixteen.

1854
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the evolution is constant, but I think it

1855
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: was getting rid of Demetrius Johnson and then even Sahudo,

1856
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: who did a great deal of job of saving the division.

1857
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: It's just made it now parody, in an exciting parody,

1858
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: and it's it's just awesome. More than damn these guys

1859
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: have evolved to they're all killers now.

1860
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, I don't want to give Henry too

1861
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 3: much credit, Like we really played up that TJ. Dillashaws Banos,

1862
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 3: Henry Shudo's coming in to save the world. He won that,

1863
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 3: he turned around immediately, I was like, okay, I'm going

1864
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 3: for the bandon weight belt.

1865
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 4: Now.

1866
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 2: You don't hear featherweight on his lips at all. To

1867
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: your point, though, Mighty Mouse going was probably the best

1868
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: thing for him and also the best thing for Flyaway,

1869
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: I think Mighty Mouse would still be a top five gal.

1870
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 2: You gotta remember when he lost to Henry Sahudo. That

1871
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: was not a robbery, That's not anything close to It

1872
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 2: was a lot about that.

1873
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people thought Mighty Mouse won that fight,

1874
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: myself included. So to say that Henry Sahudo, if he

1875
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 3: stated at flyweight wouldn't be competitive with Davison and Brandon Reno,

1876
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 3: I think you're just lying to yourself. I think Mighty

1877
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: Mouse could possibly still be champed if nothing else, top three,

1878
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: top five.

1879
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 2: I mean, look how.

1880
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 3: Competitive Jose Aldo still is now that he's made the

1881
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 3: move down to bantamweight. But in terms of action, it's

1882
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 3: funny because we went from Brandon Reno being part of

1883
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 3: those flyweight cuts to being one of the most important

1884
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 3: fighters the UFC has under their roster right now in

1885
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: terms of the global expansion. Flyweight is fun, Flywaight is

1886
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,919
Speaker 3: all action. Flyweight is starting to draw from these different markets,

1887
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 3: and it's poetic because it's what flyweight deserves. After getting

1888
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 3: trashed on by fans by Dana White. To go from

1889
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, on the verge of extinction to being a

1890
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 3: really reliable comain event firefight time in and time out.

1891
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm really happy for everyone in that weight class.

1892
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and it's unfair. I always have to add

1893
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: this disclaimer room because I think it's true. It's unfair

1894
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: to dj because you know, when people called him a

1895
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: decision fighter, he just started finishing dudes left and right,

1896
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 1: like he did everything right, you know, it just it

1897
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: didn't click. It didn't work. And Daneill also never put

1898
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: that gold stamp on him. And when Dana doesn't do that.

1899
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 3: Also, can we point out how late the uf he

1900
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 3: was to really like one thing I always kind of

1901
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 3: talk about when I talk about UFC marketing fighters is

1902
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 3: sorry to bring it back to pro wrestling. What the

1903
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 3: Attitude era did tremendously is that it gave every wrestler top

1904
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 3: bottom on that card a writer to work with. It

1905
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 3: didn't matter if you were in the main event or

1906
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 3: if you were losing every single week, you had someone

1907
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 3: helping you.

1908
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Define your character.

1909
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 3: The UFC never really tapped into Mighty Mouse's gaming market

1910
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 3: until after he left. And now we got twitch watch alongs,

1911
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 3: we got Let's plays with Steven WonderBoy Thompson and stuff.

1912
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that would have made him a main

1913
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 3: event star, but it wouldn't have a lot.

1914
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: Of right, But that's not the UFC's market though, at

1915
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like slumming at market.

1916
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: Now like they're starting to bleed into that, it's not

1917
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 3: going to be make you the main event star. But

1918
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 3: I had a lot of gaming friends who only knew

1919
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 3: Mighty Mouse and they never couraged Yeah. Yeah, I have

1920
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 3: a lot of I know a lot of friends who

1921
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 3: only know Mighty Mouse from gaming and they never really

1922
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 3: welcomed that market until after he left, and they really

1923
01:33:59,000 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 3: do go after it now.

1924
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now they'll benefit from it. When you got

1925
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: like a Shannamelley got you got anybody that's young, hip

1926
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,879
Speaker 1: and plugged in. I just think, man, it's it's evolved

1927
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: so quick that that was almost a different era even

1928
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 1: then when they had that opportunity. But let's keep it

1929
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: rolling here and Uh, hope. You know I think DJ's

1930
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: getting Is he getting that one championship rematch against the

1931
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: guy that beat him?

1932
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why he would. He got smoked.

1933
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 3: I know he's got a fight coming up, but.

1934
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: There give he's still got some stuff left in him.

1935
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he could win, but I just you know,

1936
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: I know I didn't get to it with Tony Chandler.

1937
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 3: It's just like, give these guys some breathing room, give

1938
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: them a chance to like, why do you have to

1939
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 3: throw them to the wolves constantly? Same econom mcgrecord to

1940
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 3: take a fight against someone a little bit taken eight. Yes,

1941
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 3: fight something that's a little bit more manageable because you're

1942
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,919
Speaker 3: not doing yourself and the legacy you want to reattain

1943
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: any favors by constantly going against the top top top.

1944
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you just need to be busy, dude, Like

1945
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: you just need to be busy to debate your tip

1946
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: for McGregor's learned that lesson the hard way. And thank

1947
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: you though, by the way, for as much as like

1948
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm putting so much coal in the stove lately to

1949
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: keep the fire going. Of underrated Henry Suhudo, No Luke,

1950
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: he really could compete potentially with Volkanovski. You don't know

1951
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: how great this guy is. At the same time, your

1952
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: point about I don't think he actually beat Dimitrius Johnson

1953
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: in that fight. I think the judges got it wrong.

1954
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: An Johnson had like two major injuries he was fighting

1955
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: through and had already beaten him before. Even though Suhudo

1956
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: used that win to really springboard you know what was

1957
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: that brief but incredible closing run it Look look how

1958
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: look how close to margin of era can be?

1959
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 2: Right?

1960
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: I mean you know we he Shudo might not become

1961
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the real that he is now. You know I had

1962
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: that division goal, had that decision excuse me gone the

1963
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: other way? You know from at CLP film, did Vanessa

1964
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: Demopolis previously mentioned just become BC's new favorite fighter?

1965
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: Clearly, I hear you bring her up every episode.

1966
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: No, not my favorite fighter, but it's a fun kind

1967
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: of crazy, right, Like I like characters like this in

1968
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 1: this game.

1969
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 3: So uh, this is like not not to be lame,

1970
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 3: but the thing I've learned from talking to fighters is

1971
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 3: there's actually there's so much you could like. When she

1972
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 3: says that a lot of her jiu jitsu skills comes

1973
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 3: it's I know it's easy to make fun of it,

1974
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 3: and it is hilarious, but I believe her, Like is

1975
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 3: he like these guys pull a lot of stuff from

1976
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 3: dance Raging Cajun Johnson form UFC Fighter used to do

1977
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 3: a podcast with him. He has a break dancing background.

1978
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 3: That stuff really has an impact in terms especially popping

1979
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 3: and locking and being able to make like really really

1980
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 3: sudden rocked shoulder movements and hip movements and stuff like that.

1981
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: It's hilarious, but there's I'm sure there's something there.

1982
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 2: I fully believe her when she says her jiu jitsu

1983
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: is like all her forward.

1984
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: But I'm not even coming at it from you know,

1985
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: the angle You're probably assuming I'm coming at it. I'm

1986
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: just coming at it from like it's like it's like

1987
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 1: a character in a movie, like these type of personas

1988
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: when it's Big Tuna or whether it's you know whoever,

1989
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: like awesome, Yeah, these folk heros. Remember that that dude

1990
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: who uh smart Spike Carlisle was that his name? That

1991
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: dude who had that brief couple and you're just like.

1992
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: Me remember is like I can't remember did you go

1993
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 2: on like a anti anti Jewish terror or something? An

1994
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 2: anti Semitic tare or something like that.

1995
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I am unaware of that, so I'm certainly not that,

1996
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, characters like that that can Yeah, and.

1997
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing I wish the UFC would do

1998
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 3: more of. And I know, man, dude, I've you know,

1999
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 3: talking to some fighters is like drawing blood from a stone.

2000
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 3: It's just impossible, no matter how enthusiastic you are. But

2001
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 3: there are characters that I think I don't think the

2002
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 3: goal always has to be in the UFC, the best

2003
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 3: fight the best.

2004
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: You know, this is a there's room.

2005
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 3: To make legends fights. There's rooms to have guys like

2006
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 3: shout out to Seawanamalley. He's not fighting the top guys

2007
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 3: until his price tag reflects that. And I'm all in

2008
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 3: support of that because he still draws. Why does he

2009
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 3: need to fight the best guys all the time if

2010
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 3: his incentives are financial? And I think there's a lot

2011
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 3: of guys like for Better or Worse, Spark Spy Carlisle,

2012
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 3: like like Big Tuna, where like they can be they're

2013
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: never gonna sell the card, but they can be a

2014
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 3: meaningful component, like telling people to tune in.

2015
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I think we Yeah, I mean.

2016
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: There's a line. You gotta be competitive, you know there's

2017
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: a line, But there's also a way to do it,

2018
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: and to do it slight a hand, even feeding sometimes

2019
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,839
Speaker 1: softer matchmaking to give somebody a chance to to become something.

2020
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: But you know you could just as easily argue there's

2021
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: no place for forcing that. And you know it's the best,

2022
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: still fight the best, let's let's whatever, we'll see, we'll see.

2023
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: But you know there's a room on a card for

2024
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird matchmaking when it makes sense. Yeah.

2025
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,520
Speaker 1: From at Brandon Klass in twenty six, seeing the deficiency

2026
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: in Cyril Gohan's ground game, do you still believe Gon

2027
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: is the harder matchup for John Jones? Hmmm, Jack, I'm

2028
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: gonna say no. I think Francis is the tougher matchup

2029
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: for John without question.

2030
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm inclined to agree with that. I think

2031
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 2: the other the gun like people are kind.

2032
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 3: Of hounding me on it for online, but I really

2033
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 3: think he gave away that last round. That's not to

2034
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 3: say he intentionally handed it over, but sitting back that

2035
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 3: leg lock was such poor judgment.

2036
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2037
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 3: I guess maybe he was under the impression that he

2038
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 3: was down three to one. I know he was on

2039
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 3: one judge squarecard.

2040
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: He was under that impression shack. Fernand Lopez told him

2041
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: that after what rounds three and four, you're down, you're

2042
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: you know that many bad call.

2043
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 3: Fernand Lopez is an amazing coach. Don't get me wrong.

2044
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 3: I can't see the fight the way he can't, especially

2045
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 3: cage side. But it was so close even if you

2046
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 3: thought he was down three one, and obviously you can

2047
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 3: have foreseen him take down to like lock unless that

2048
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 3: was called for. But in reality it was close enough

2049
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 3: where I think in a situation like that, you just

2050
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 3: split the difference in hope that the judges lean in

2051
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 3: your favor or at least if you can work yourself

2052
01:39:59,000 --> 01:39:59,759
Speaker 3: to a better position.

2053
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: But I agree as of right now.

2054
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: See, I think, dude, I think he was in the

2055
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: wilderness that I don't like. I know that it's it's

2056
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: it makes sense that people look at that as like

2057
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: a turning pointer or the or that the thing that

2058
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: wanted for francis, you know, the big mistake, and in

2059
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: reality obviously it was but to me gone even even

2060
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: though if that moment didn't happen, he still could have

2061
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: won that final round and it was very close. I

2062
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: just think those last three rounds, dude, he had I

2063
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: mean he was just hanging on. I mean, he was

2064
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 1: just really hanging on like he It was. It was some.

2065
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 1: It was lifeless enough that even if he had pulled

2066
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: that out and gotten a close decision, he still would

2067
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: have looked bad.

2068
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think gone give him a few more years

2069
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 3: and I think he's gonna be that guy. But as

2070
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 3: of right now, without a doubt, and Gon, who was

2071
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 3: a tougher.

2072
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Matchup all right from at Dougs one, two three, A

2073
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: Duke's a Dougs. Where does Moreno and Figuredo rank among

2074
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: the all time great UFC trilogies? I think that's that's

2075
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: that's the interesting question I did ask Chuck Mindenhall about,

2076
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, how how well did the third fight do

2077
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 1: to really make this, you know, one of those rivalries

2078
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: in terms of meaning. I get what he's saying where

2079
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of second tier, but manse, these guys

2080
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 1: are delivered. Okay, there's one fight of the of the

2081
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: three that isn't as competitive, but I think it's still

2082
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: a fun ass watch to see Marino, you know, climb

2083
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: the ladder and get that moment in the post fight

2084
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:32,600
Speaker 1: interview and all that. It's it's certainly not you know, uh,

2085
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: Edgar Maynard, but I think you know it deserves it

2086
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: deserves to me up.

2087
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: There, oh, certainly.

2088
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 3: And I mean beyond that, we're looking at probably the

2089
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 3: first four fight saga in UFC history, which is an

2090
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 3: accomplishment in its own. I think my biggest takeaway is

2091
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 3: they did not have a boring fight. Sometimes in these

2092
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 3: trilogies you get one that's not quite there.

2093
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 2: Now.

2094
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, the first one was a fight of

2095
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 3: the year situation, the second one you got to finish.

2096
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 2: The third one not so much.

2097
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 3: But you're not gonna have fight of the year three

2098
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 3: times out, and that third fight was still damn good.

2099
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 3: I think you owe a lot. I think they deserve

2100
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for not only the quality across

2101
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 3: three fights, the fact that they're one one and one

2102
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 3: now is super unusual. The fact that you have to

2103
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 3: give them a lot of you have to applaud them

2104
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 3: for bringing back this flyweight division. In that sense, I

2105
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 3: think there's actually a lot of value historically when we.

2106
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 2: Look back on it.

2107
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 3: But I agree, I don't know if there's some for

2108
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 3: some reason, it isn't emotionally connect with me the way

2109
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, let's say STEVEE. Cormier did. I don't know

2110
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 3: why that is, Maybe because the results were so emphatic.

2111
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 3: You know, you didn't have to draw in there. You

2112
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Speaker 3: had very clear, decisive knockouts. But I think this saga

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Speaker 3: is only going to age better with time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this has that. I mean, the comparison

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Speaker 1: might be in boxing that which you won't get, and

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Speaker 1: I respect that. The great Israel Vasquez against Raphael Marquez trilogy,

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Speaker 1: which became four fights. In the fourth fight they were

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Speaker 1: they were both washing. It was unnecessary, but that three

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Speaker 1: it just like you watch them and you go, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is among the biggest trilogies of all time.

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Speaker 1: But yet sometimes that that that matchup doesn't make it

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Speaker 1: in the conversation when people are talking about it casually,

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01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just like this will be pushed

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Speaker 1: off a little bit. But hey, the fourth fight could

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Speaker 1: change it completely. I mean, I mean, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: Patio Marquez, once they got to a fourth fight and

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Speaker 1: did that, it's like it's hard. It's really when you

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Speaker 1: get four fights between two guys and all four fights

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Speaker 1: are great, and all four fights were for you know,

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Speaker 1: contested for things that mattered on the title level. It's gonna, dude, seriously,

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Speaker 1: if the fourth fight is great, this will be a

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Speaker 1: top three rival real time. It would have to be.

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that we're going one, one and

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Speaker 3: one into a fourth on its own has that merit.

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Speaker 2: It's so unique, it's so unusually competitive.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you very quickly, what is your

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Speaker 3: favorite kind of fight? Like, I'll give you my just

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Speaker 3: to set it up. I love a fourth or fifth

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Speaker 3: round finish in a title fight. I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: like that quick first round knockout. You don't get the drama.

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Speaker 3: I want to see a long fight. I want to

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Speaker 3: be competitive, but I don't want a decision. No one

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01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 3: wants a decision. Four, fourth, fifth round. T give me

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Speaker 3: that every time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great that's a great fight. That's

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Speaker 1: a great fight. I always prefer the high speed chest.

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Speaker 1: I always prefer the the technical thriller that has big

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Speaker 1: pockets of action. Right Well, that yeah, that's that, but

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Speaker 1: that's that. But even that's got everything. That's an action movie.

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Speaker 1: That fight, I mean that fights, God, I love that fight. Right,

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01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean, come on.

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Speaker 2: Cage side, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just like I'm always going to take

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01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: that to the grave when they write, you know, boxing

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01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: broadcast term a mad journalist. Oh yeah, he sat cage side.

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01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 2: So yeah.

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01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 3: The beauty of doing being pressed at these UFC events

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01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,560
Speaker 3: is for you all the time. For me, sometimes you

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01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 3: get to sit cage side for the fights. They make

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01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 3: it very clear. It's like, hey, guys, you IMPARTI don't

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Speaker 3: don't cheer.

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01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: You're there, don't care. But I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: The first time I went, the first time I saw

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Speaker 3: like a UFC fighter get hit up close and how

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Speaker 3: loud that thut is, I'd be lying if I didn't go, oh,

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Speaker 3: and then I'm immediately shutting down.

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01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 2: Look at each way, and I'm not getting kicked out.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, man, you got to bite down on your natural instincts.

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Speaker 1: You can't be like Luke Thomas, and you know you

2170
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: know you can't. You you know people know that, you

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Speaker 1: know if you know, you know, you know, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: he stopped them. Yeah all right, but there have been obviously,

2173
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: because if you love this job in this sport this

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Speaker 1: much and you're blessed enough to be down there and

2175
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 1: can you know, tell these romanticized stories of mythological proportion

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01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 1: and how what it felt like. The best moments are

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01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: when you sort of involuntarily be like, oh my god,

2178
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: you know, and you look over at the guy next

2179
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: to you and you're like, we are we experiencing this

2180
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: together as you are? You as high as I am

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01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: hasn't hit you yet, you know. I mean, it's a

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01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: lot probably like you when you go to those m

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Speaker 1: D raves or you know, g HP Raves or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever Friday you guys have Thunderdome.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, we live different lives. Jack all right

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Speaker 1: to close here from at J Underscore from j Costa

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Speaker 1: with an extra a when is the BC or Luke

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Speaker 1: Thomas barfing after shooting pregame review n f T coming out? Okay,

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01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: that would have to be the NFT that would get

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Speaker 1: me to have to you know what one is and

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01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: look at you. No, we don't and I wonder this okay,

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Speaker 1: And but by the way, I mean, is it on

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01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: brand for us old as Barts to have a moment

2194
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 1: like that. It is, but it's embarrassing. Nonetheless so funny.

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01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 1: One forgot the first pregame preview on the rooftop with

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Speaker 1: Chuck Minton Hall. We did go hard. You know. We

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01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: bought a bunch of mixed drinks or beer or whatever

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01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: we had, and uh, we went after it. I drank

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Speaker 1: a lot in that one hour of filming. I drink

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01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: so much that you know, some people were like, maybe

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't say the word bitch show off, you know,

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01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: and I get that. It's all funny games. Although that

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01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: episode it did have the it had the magic, it

2204
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 1: had the special sauce, but had the camera still rolling

2205
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: as Luke takes off the microphone, walks in, turns, and

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01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: then vomits into the into the public sink, while mine

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01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: at least was three out, you know, two and a

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01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 1: half hours later at a Mexican restaurant after just sort

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Speaker 1: of eating a burrito and just not feeling it and

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01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, just having that oh crap moment. If if

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01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: that had, like if the camera had captured Luke while

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01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 1: we are talking huge you know doc you know MK

2213
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Speaker 1: documentary must see value. That might be that discussion behind

2214
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: the scenes where we go, you know, we.

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01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 2: Can't there a subscriber goal that would have you know,

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01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: k are.

2217
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: You are you are you intending that we should consider

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01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: creating an MK OnlyFans just for moments like that.

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01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 3: I was actually thinking this whole time. Has anyone made

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01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 3: an MK rink game, because there are enough tropes on

2221
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 3: this show without a doubt to do that in a heartbeat.

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01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke's you know, glass glasses updating?

2223
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, how pooping post show? Yeah?

2224
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: What does that move called when Luke every you know, forty.

2225
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 2: Five seconds is like it's the one hand right?

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01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, all right. That's it for dms from donks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our fine donks out there. Please, folks

2228
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 1: like this video, subscribe to this channel here at Morning Combat.

2229
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Speaker 1: There's there's Shack Majority right there, a partner in this

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01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: walk for CBS Sports and we much appreciate you filling

2231
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Speaker 1: in for the vacationing Luke Thomas today. But it's three

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Speaker 1: live shows Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Get on get on board

2233
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: with the revolution here at MK. Like subscribe all that

2234
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Speaker 1: good stuff. Morningcombat dot store is where you can find

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Speaker 1: our merch. Luke's gonna be back next week. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure exactly which day, so stay tuned, but Luke's gonna

2237
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 1: be back next week thirty days for a showtime Bell tour.

2238
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Speaker 1: This Saturday night. Don't miss it, Shack, where can we

2239
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: you want to show anything out? Where can we keep

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01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 1: following you?

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01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 3: Like I said, I got Luke's not throwing me enough bone,

2242
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:06,639
Speaker 3: so I gotta take every chance.

2243
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 2: I can to shamelessly promote myself.

2244
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 3: All my written work you can see on CBS Sports

2245
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 3: dot Com, Slash MMA, slash WWE. If you want to

2246
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 3: see my MMA interviews YouTube, Shack MMA. I have one

2247
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 3: with Gerry Pasco right out right now. We'll have Jack

2248
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,680
Speaker 3: Romance next week, Ryan Bader later today. If you're a

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01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 3: pro wrestling fan, that's the one that's actually like doing

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Speaker 3: great for me right now, so you can I can

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Speaker 3: Shack Wrestling on YouTube to the four of you who

2252
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 3: care would love this.

2253
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 1: It's not a single MK fan who there must.

2254
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 2: Be one, Yeah, it's me.

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01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 3: If it's someone else, that's Brian. You've been spending too

2256
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 3: much time with Luke man. I knew you had that

2257
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 3: fire once upon a time. Don't let it go out.

2258
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 1: I needed to get lit again, and it was you know,

2259
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:46,600
Speaker 1: I had that chance to sit I think it was

2260
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 1: second row at aw in Newark, and then I gave

2261
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: up my ticket at the last minute, and you know,

2262
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: I just been I've been drifted.

2263
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 3: That's a butterfly effect moment, man, that could have set

2264
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 3: you in a whole new course in life.

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01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean maybe I'm free right now and

2266
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 1: I just don't know it, you know what I mean?

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01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,640
Speaker 3: Shock Under Underscore Food, Shaq the k Underscore f you

2268
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 3: on Twitter.

2269
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 2: Help me.

2270
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,479
Speaker 3: I've got a friend in the sports who laughs about

2271
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 3: having more followers than me, So help me help me

2272
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 3: kick his ass?

2273
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: All right, please buy buy Shaq's love with following him

2274
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: And uh, Shack, did you get heckled as a child

2275
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: for your Shaquille O'Neil like name?

2276
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Maybe shah so uh oh actually so, Ryan Baida and

2277
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 2: I were bonding over them.

2278
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 3: So he picked Darth Vader because the alternative would have

2279
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 3: been masturbator.

2280
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 2: She's been haunting him since childhood. I got Shaquef in

2281
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 2: high school. So that's the one.

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01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 1: That's Oh wow, bro, that's rough. That's rough. That's right. Yeah,

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01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 1: yeah wow, Okay, I consider counseling after that. Yeah, man,

2284
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm in therapy. Yeah, absolutely, Thank you, Shack. Thank you

2285
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 1: to the great staff Minich Gaff. We got to see

2286
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: Gaff smug the other day. I love gaff I love

2287
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: these guys. I want them on the show. More offense

2288
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: all j Aaron, your ass if you turn on me.

2289
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,639
Speaker 1: Corey Manita, I believe that I'm kidding. Thanks to the folks,

2290
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: all the labels that pay me, and thank you to

2291
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:07,919
Speaker 1: the fans, the viewers, the listeners, whatever whatever you call themselves,

2292
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 1: the p one donks out there, thank you for making

2293
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: this job so fun. We'll see you next time. May

2294
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: all your ex girlfriends still not look too to cougar

2295
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 1: ish right, well, not look too thick right. Uh. I

2296
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: don't know where we're going. We out