WEBVTT - Jeremy | Chapter 3 - Never Turned Her Back on Me 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.760 The more I talk to Justin, the more it was 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.760 clear he wanted to talk to his dad. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.360 I just feel like at this point in time, since 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.000 he's already opening up and so I feel like we're 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.520 both writing talk to each other the way. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.840 Well, I would honestly say it's true. I mean, he 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.440 does talk a lot about his family. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:30.640 You know. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.960 I explained to Justin that Jeremy was on lockdown. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.760 We've been corresponding with him. I'll just tell you right now, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.680 he's in sort of in like solitary confinement right now. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.880 And Jeremy's life was still marked by chaos and violence 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.040 even in prison. At the time. I was the only 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.520 one writing and talking to him. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.720 He does feel kind of lonely. It's been only recently. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.840 He was no longer getting any letters from anyone in 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.200 his family. He would say to me, you're the only 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.000 person I talked to, the only person. Jeremy said that 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:07.320 to me multiple times. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.160 When he said that no one wrote, I was like, damn, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.360 because I ain't gonna lie. I got a letter from 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.920 him before. I don't remember what it says. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:16.679 I don't have it. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:18.840 Well, I never put that effort in. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.360 I found myself in an unusual position, the bridge between 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.320 a multiple murderer and the thirty five year old son 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.160 he'd never met. I never thought I'd end up here, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.280 So I want to tell you the story of how 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:34.880 I did. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:57.200 My man man left to have my face s steps, sir. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:19.040 In this vally Sation rage. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:33.280 Des fish to the world, things, stuff, soldings. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.279 Stuff. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:52.640 Bone Valley Season two, Jeremy chapter three never turned her 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:59.000 back on me. Well before Justin reached out to me. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.320 I got a mid night email from Jeremy. Mister King, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.640 I have no hard feelings towards you or to society. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.200 I'll make this short. This will be my last time 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.560 writing to you. The monster in me is coming alive 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.919 one last time. Hope everything works out for you. Goodbye. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.000 After I got that cryptic message, I didn't hear from 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.400 him again for a while. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.239 I had no idea where he was. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.680 Finally I learned he'd been transferred to a different prison, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.760 and that's when we found out that he'd gotten into 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:34.680 some kind of trouble. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:42.000 This is an inspector paget regarding a an aggravated battery 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:42.600 that occurred. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.160 I was able to get the report on the incident 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.320 from the Florida Department of Corrections in a recording of 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:49.280 the interview. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.320 With the victim, and who is this inmate? 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.840 Okay, so you woke up to him stabbing you? 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:56.360 Where was he stabbing you at? 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:58.120 Okay? 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.680 So he started multiple times? Okay. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.480 The critical incident summary from the corrections officer on duty 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.440 that night is also heavily redacted. It says, after reviewing 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.040 camera footage, inmate Scott could be seen entering the bathroom 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:20.000 and retrieving the weapon and approaching inmate Blank's bunk as 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.040 he slept, and proceeded to carry out the assault by 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:29.320 stabbing inmate Blank numerous times. Inmate Blank was stabbed by 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.760 inmate Jeremy Scott with an improvised ice pick style weapon. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.120 The inmate that he stabbed survived and was transported to 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:47.600 a hospital, and Jeremy was put in immediate confinement. It 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.680 was months later, after I found out Jeremy had been 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.800 transferred to a different prison, that I got this letter. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.800 Dear mister King, I hope you are doing well. As 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.159 for myself, I'm still alive. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.560 And he's got the exclamation point there. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.960 He says, I had some trouble. It's all fucked up. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.600 I don't have shit not even deodorant. I get one 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.280 free letter once a month. Please get back to me 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.800 as soon as you can. Thanks, Jeremy L. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:17.159 Scott. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.680 Jeremy was in solitary confinement at Florida State Prison, and 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.680 at first he could only receive letters, but after a 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.800 few months he was allowed two free telephone. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.600 Calls a week, one for five minutes and one for 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.600 thirty Hello. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.000 This is a prepaid call from an inmate at a 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.800 Florida Department of Corrections institutions. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.000 Jeremy was living alone in a cell sharing a floor 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.560 with other inmates who were also in disciplinary confinement. They 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.760 call it close management or CM. An officer brings the 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.360 phone to him in his cell he can hear me. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.400 At first, we just talked about how he was holding 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:03.360 up in solitary. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:03.920 OK. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.560 Yeah, good, I just didn't He started calling me almost 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:08.160 every week. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.560 Yeah. I also wanted to let you know. I looked 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.560 into the tablet too, and. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.960 After a while I asked him to tell me about 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.919 the stabbing incident. 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.040 He wrote me a note and said that they might 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.280 lock you up for a while. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.240 Well, I told you that because that stabbing I did 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.120 already hit on me and I found out about. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.080 It He said he'd gotten into trouble with some inmates, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.320 found out someone had put a hit on him and 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:33.800 that he was in immediate danger. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.000 How'd you find out that he was coming after you? 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.720 Work is round, you know, and all they got to 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:42.600 do is said cold. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.240 Inmates at different prisons send coded messages to each other. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:49.719 In prison. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.280 Jeremy claims that another inmate in his dorm with a 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.000 contraband phone had seen a code numbers or an emoji 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.279 or something with Jeremy's picture, and Jeremy said he'd been 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.360 in prison long enough to know what that meant. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.160 He was a marked man. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.839 They knew while I was coming. They knew, well, well, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:09.800 I looked like everything. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.000 Jeremy said, he knew the guy that was supposed to. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.640 Come after him, and I know who his dud was, right, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.080 And when I heard what you're going to do? 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.880 Right, I just smacked him. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.440 He said he was just laying there with one eye 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:30.880 open until the guy. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.680 Fell asleep, because I know he'd wait for me to 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.400 go to sleep, right, I'll hy away, so I know 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.640 it was something going to happen. It was going down, you. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.920 Know, by me being in prison all these years, I 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.280 ain't stupid. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.520 This is Jeremy's side of the story. Anyway. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.360 There's video of Jeremy getting up from his bunk and 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.320 going into the bathroom. He grabbed the weapon, went over 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.080 to the bunk where his would be attacker had fallen asleep. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:08.520 He started stabbing him. The feeling I got from Jeremy 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.040 about this is that he wasn't proud of what he did, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.200 and he wasn't ashamed of it. He was telling me 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.640 I had to do this to survive in here, and 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.160 he said, I stabbed him, but I. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:21.040 Didn't kill him. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.520 I could ask acutey, I could have could have put. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:25.240 It right in his heart. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.960 When I got that note from Jeremy that the monster 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.920 was coming alive one more time, it was terrifying. And 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.200 then to learn that he actually waited in the dark 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.640 in his prison dorm for someone to fall asleep so 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.400 he could stab him, it made me a little sick. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:56.640 Just what am I doing? 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:05.800 Why do I stay in touch with him? Up to 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.760 this point, most of my communication with Jeremy had been pragmatic. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.079 I wrote to him with questions and sent him a 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.880 few stamps. He wrote me back with information that helped 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.120 confirm he was the man who murdered Leo Schofield's wife. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.960 Now I was talking to him every week, sometimes twice, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.040 and about all kinds of things. It used to be 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.839 that the only phone calls I got from prison were 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.439 from Leo. Leo was the person at the center of 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.160 this story. Leo was the guy I kept in touch with. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:44.079 Now I started to worry what would Leo think of 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.640 my recent telephone calls with the man who confessed to 0:09:47.760 --> 0:10:14.840 murdering Michelle. The first time I talked to Leo about 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.760 the fact that I was continuing a dialogue with Jeremy Scott. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.840 It wasn't really sure how Leo would feel, but Leo 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.280 told me Gilbert, I'm proud of you. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.560 We're out the truth, you know, and he's the one 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.480 that supplied the truth, you know. But I would really 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.840 like him to know and feel that myself and those 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:41.360 who represent me are, you know, concerned for his well 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:42.120 being as well. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.800 Jeremy continued to help me corroborate that his account of 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.600 what he'd done to Michelle was the truth, that Leo 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.040 was innocent, and one of my letters to them, I wrote, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.120 You've been so helpful to me and my investigation, and 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.160 I think you could help me understand a few more 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.120 things that I'm still not very clear on. In our calls, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:06.760 he would answer most of my questions. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.960 You know what I want to ask you something. Jamie 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.680 said that you used to hang out behind the mall, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:12.679 the Lakeland Mall. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.800 Yeah, let's we created what was that there? 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.400 Like benches or something like where'd you hang out in 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.520 our cars? 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:23.120 You know? 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:25.000 Yeah? 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:26.719 You know. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.319 Florida prosecutor once advised me that if I want this 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.680 reporting a one day exonerate Leo, I need to prove that. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.200 Jeremy Scott is credible. So that's one reason I. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.959 Wanted to keep my conversations with Jeremy going about Michelle 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:42.720 and about another murder. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:43.880 He told me he committed. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.679 You know, we did get here of this music, you know, 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.960 and we got beer or something, you know. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.640 And that is that the Jeremy, Is that the same 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:52.800 place that you hit the gun? 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.760 Yeah, And Jeremy was giving me good information. I was 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.600 able to source it and corroborate it with gards I had. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.160 Yeah, that's why I hate that gun. Eh. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.400 Yeah, she would. She wouldn't looking for it, couldn't find it. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.679 When I saw her looking as sore she lives, I 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.800 went and got it, moved it. Yeah, I knew somebody 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:12.960 somebody had saw him. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:13.320 And put it there. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.760 In one of his letters to me, it's clear Jeremy 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.800 was still thinking about Michelle. He wrote, they know Leo 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.360 didn't do it. Hell, he been locked up for thirty 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.280 five years. The state don't want people to really know. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.280 During the course of my conversations with Jeremy, Leo was 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.880 finally able to get out of prison. He wasn't exonerated. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.360 He was still a convicted felon in the eyes of 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.679 the state, but he was paroled and he was now 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.960 in a half way house in Tampa. So I told 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.439 Jeremy about it and told him Leo believes that a 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.160 big part of why he's out is because of you 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.280 and your willingness to be honest about what you'd done. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.400 Jeremy didn't say much, but I could tell he felt 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.400 like he'd done something good. It was a strange place 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.280 for me to be in between these two guys, both 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:15.160 of them caring. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.040 About each other in a way. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.280 It's what gave me permission to continue the conversations, even 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.199 when they weren't explicitly about the cases I was investigating. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.719 Hello, Hello, Hey, oh, Jeremy, you're there. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.559 He always seemed to call when I was at the office, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.120 so I'd see it pop up on my phone saying Rayford, Hey, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.080 good to hear from you. I always picked it up 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.760 if I saw it, I just say, all right, half 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.240 hour time for Jeremy. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.120 You don't have any glasses right now? 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.679 No, I'll borrow my knick door neighbors glasses. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.440 Okay, Now we got to get you some new glasses. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.880 If Gus hurt my eyes, oh yeah, that's not good. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.880 You gotta get the right ones. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.600 From the very start, I was excited to get his calls. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:03.719 All right, can you hear me? 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.520 Like, wow, all right, this is going to be interesting. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.840 What's the name of that author again? Just just spell 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:10.440 it out again? 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:11.719 All right? 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.920 Well, he talked a lot about how in solitary reading 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.840 is the only thing I can do. If I don't 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.920 have any books, all I can do is sit. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:21.440 Here and think. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.880 And I know those were really dark moments for him. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.600 So he would tell me what he likes to read, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.640 all right, Mark, his last name is g R. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.040 E A E Y. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.359 So I started sending him paperbacks. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.000 Okay, great, okay, good, And he. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.680 Likes James Patterson and Stephen King. He likes some Western writers. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:46.840 I send him Game of Thrones. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.840 It don't make no sense how they kill all them 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.560 kids of like that I know. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.040 And now the only one that left is is. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.360 The two girls and yeah, one little boy. Yeah, and 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.560 they cripple in the cripple Key, which he's gonna become 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:02.200 some mills. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.640 Yeah, he becomes a really big part of it. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.600 Later, I was mostly sending things that my kids had read, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.440 because Jeremy had only gone through the fourth grade in school. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.520 I didn't want to just keep sending him the same authors, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.120 so I sent him The Hunger Games to mix things 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:17.680 up for him. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.240 Remember that serious you sent me? Yeah, that was pretty 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.440 That was a pretty good series too, told me they 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:26.720 got it on a TV too. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.280 Oh really, I didn't even know that. I'll check it out. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.280 Books have a way of building empathy. They let you 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.400 step into someone else's life for a little while, and 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.280 I wanted Jeremy to experience that too, to escape the 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.160 reality of being locked in a prison cell, even for 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.520 a moment. I could see how reading relaxed him, how 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:52.200 it opened him up. Our conversations became more honest, and 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.920 as I got to know this side of Jeremy. I 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.040 started to see him differently. The more we talked, the 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.280 more I understood he didn't want to be the violent 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.480 person he'd been in the past. He wanted to be better. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.280 Maybe just by talking with him, I could help him 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:09.520 do that. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.720 Books pretty good. I still want to read the rest 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.280 of them, Will the Will the Time series, But man's 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.560 a lot. That's a lot of books there. They got 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.320 eighteen books in that series. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.040 Really, I think I only read five of them so far. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.560 I think, yeah, but. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.360 One, two, three, four, and five. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.960 Okay, so you're going in order then, okay. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:35.840 Yeah. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.800 Ever since I came back over here, like everything's been 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.800 going wrong for me. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.400 I can't gas for no reason. They spraying that pepper spray. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:52.720 They ain't doing nothing. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.440 Sometimes Jeremy was in a really, really dark place, and 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.920 when I pick up the phone, I recognize that today would. 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:01.680 Just be a listening day. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:08.720 Now my ship has stolen and and and it gotta 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.919 be something. That's something going on, some kind of something's 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.679 going on here. I don't want to stand this year. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:15.439 I gotta go to medical. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.440 I gotta get I gotta get a chest run on 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:18.760 me because I got. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.360 I got a not in my stomach. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.320 He was having some real health problems, losing a lot 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:24.720 of weight. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.040 And I asked the male nurse about it. Right, he say, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.520 he's said it could be it could be a hernia, right, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.880 or it could be a tumor. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.440 Is rais on your stomach because it's really low or higher. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.560 It's it's like that, not it's like it's right. It's 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.080 like maybe two inches above my navel. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.800 Okay, it's right there, right in the middle of my cut, okay. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.840 And it hurts when I touch it, oh ship, all right? 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.920 And when when I lay down. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.920 I can see I can see my ribs cages. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.600 Oh man, Jeremy, are they like you see a doctor? 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.240 Are they gonna get you to see a doctor? 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.119 They're gonna I don't like to do it now because 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.320 you know they they they they charge you five dollars 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.000 every time you go up there to see a doctor. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.359 And you know they're gonna charge a five dollars. His 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.120 nurse and she's gonna write it on this. She put 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.639 a report into the doctor. Then you gotta wait a 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.840 couple of weeks, maybe a month, you know, see your 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.280 name pops up, you know, hey. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.840 They can have nobody, you know, yeah, yeah, oh man, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.720 all right, that's horrible. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.520 At the time I was getting all these phone calls 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.520 from Jeremy, I found out that for the first time 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.960 he'd found someone on the inside that he could trust. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.479 Hey, sorry, okay, cool, I'm so glad you called me, Zach. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:05.960 How you doing that? 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.359 I'm yeah, Actually, this is Oscar Smith. 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.520 Turns out Oscar went to theological school with Leo while 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.320 they were both at Hardy CI. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.240 On the front Road. He actually sat next to me 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.600 right in front of the class the first It's. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.400 A class that you can get a degree from within 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.800 the prison. From what I understand, Oscar and Leo graduated 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.000 at the top of their class. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.400 Eventually, of course, became almost inseparable wherever you see. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.480 After Leo got released, some of the graduates were spread 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.040 throughout the prison system to serve as pastors for other inmates. 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.760 Oscar was transferred up to Florida State Prison where Jeremy was. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.240 Somebody asked who we were, so I was explaining to 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.720 them who we were, as film ministers, and. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.040 He mentions that he came from Hardy CI. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:55.800 And then I heard a voice and he said, you 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.480 guys are from Hardy and I kind of looked over 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.240 then I said yeah, and he asked me, he said, 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.960 do you know Leo Schofield And I said, yes, me 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.080 and they were pretty close, and he goes, I'm Jeremy 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.320 Scott Oscar. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.080 Knows exactly who this is. He's very familiar with Leo's case. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.680 And I'm like, I'm looking at him in the wing 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.840 that he's in. It's all open sale. It's just like 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.520 open bars, so I actually can see him. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:27.120 Face to face. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.280 The really the only thing that stands between me and 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.000 him is just some steel bars. At the time, I 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.440 was like, CROs my heart, just thank I paused for 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.280 a minute and I said, actually, I know quite a 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.560 bit about you, sir, and I said I've talked to Leo. 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.959 I said, I know who you are. 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.440 He was like okay. And the next thing he told me, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.840 he said, listen, Leo's innocent. He goes, I killed his 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.960 wife and now nobody wants to listen. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.440 He said you Jeremy's cut said, asked me right, and 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.800 shug Miami. He was one of the ones that worked 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:05.880 with Leo over there. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.520 Jeremy was impressed that somebody close to Leo was still 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.800 willing to talk to him and be kind to him. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.399 Yeah, there was a lot of guys praying for you, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.360 including you know, Leo obviously. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.639 Yeah, I remember thinking like this is a relief in 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.280 a way that now there's someone on the inside who 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:25.640 can keep an eye on Jeremy. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.199 How did he look to you when you first saw him. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.080 He's he's thinned, you know. I mean anytime Uran confinement 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.040 or something like that, there's a tendency of losing weight 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.320 just because the trays that come back there aren't always 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.680 the best trays. You know, the breads, you know, laying 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.920 in beans and so it's all mushy and stoppy, and 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.240 so you know, it's just yeah, so you have a 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.680 tendency to eat less. So I mean he was thin, 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:57.400 looked frail. You know, he seemed to be in decent spirits. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.920 You know, it wasn't like he was really distraught or 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:02.760 anything else like that. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.640 But I mean Oscar told me that once a week 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.200 he goes up on that wing and talks to Jeremy. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.959 I walked up there two weeks ago and he had 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.560 a gash on his head. He was literally bleeding from 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.719 his head and I'm looking at Jeremy and he was frazzed. Well, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.280 it kind of had tears in his eyes. He had 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.840 a split basically on his forehead, but a little bit 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.840 more towards the top of his head. And so I 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.760 knew there was something going on. You know, they can't 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.200 reach one another or they can't do whatever. So I 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:36.080 don't know if it was self inflicted, because he was 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.840 angry at something, and I have no idea. 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.560 Oscar was worried about Jeremy's mental health. 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.919 Oscar told me, you busted your head open. What happened? 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:46.960 Oh? 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.560 They lost my property. They threw all my stuff away. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:52.480 They did. 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.640 Yeah, they threw all my stuff away. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:56.640