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Speaker 3: We've been corresponding with him. I'll just tell you right now,

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Speaker 1: And Jeremy's life was still marked by chaos and violence

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Speaker 5: He does feel kind of lonely. It's been only recently.

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Speaker 1: He was no longer getting any letters from anyone in

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Speaker 2: Well, I never put that effort in.

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Speaker 1: I found myself in an unusual position, the bridge between

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Speaker 7: Des fish to the world, things, stuff, soldings.

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Speaker 1: Bone Valley Season two, Jeremy chapter three never turned her

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Speaker 1: back on me. Well before Justin reached out to me.

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Speaker 1: I got a mid night email from Jeremy. Mister King,

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Speaker 1: I'll make this short. This will be my last time

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Speaker 1: writing to you. The monster in me is coming alive

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you woke up to him stabbing you?

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Speaker 8: Where was he stabbing you at?

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Speaker 1: Dear mister King, I hope you are doing well. As

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Speaker 8: He says, I had some trouble. It's all fucked up.

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Speaker 8: I don't have shit not even deodorant. I get one

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Speaker 8: as soon as you can. Thanks, Jeremy L.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy was in solitary confinement at Florida State Prison, and

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Speaker 6: He wrote me a note and said that they might

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Speaker 9: Well, I told you that because that stabbing I did

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Speaker 1: It He said he'd gotten into trouble with some inmates,

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Speaker 6: How'd you find out that he was coming after you?

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Speaker 9: Work is round, you know, and all they got to

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Speaker 1: Jeremy claims that another inmate in his dorm with a

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Speaker 5: He was a marked man.

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Speaker 9: They knew while I was coming. They knew, well, well,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy said, he knew the guy that was supposed to.

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Speaker 9: Come after him, and I know who his dud was, right,

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Speaker 9: it was something going to happen. It was going down, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, by me being in prison all these years, I

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Speaker 5: This is Jeremy's side of the story. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: There's video of Jeremy getting up from his bunk and

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Speaker 1: When I got that note from Jeremy that the monster

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Speaker 5: Just what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: Why do I stay in touch with him? Up to

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Speaker 1: confirm he was the man who murdered Leo Schofield's wife.

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Speaker 1: Now I was talking to him every week, sometimes twice,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really sure how Leo would feel, but Leo

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Speaker 10: We're out the truth, you know, and he's the one

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Speaker 1: Jeremy continued to help me corroborate that his account of

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Speaker 6: You know what I want to ask you something. Jamie

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Speaker 6: Like benches or something like where'd you hang out in

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Speaker 1: Wanted to keep my conversations with Jeremy going about Michelle

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Speaker 5: He told me he committed.

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Speaker 2: You know, we did get here of this music, you know,

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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Hell, he been locked up for thirty

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Speaker 1: It's what gave me permission to continue the conversations, even

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Speaker 1: if I saw it, I just say, all right, half

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Speaker 1: Well, he talked a lot about how in solitary reading

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Speaker 2: So he would tell me what he likes to read,

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Speaker 10: E A E Y.

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Speaker 1: So I started sending him paperbacks.

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Speaker 9: It don't make no sense how they kill all them

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Speaker 9: Remember that serious you sent me? Yeah, that was pretty

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Speaker 9: Books pretty good. I still want to read the rest

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Speaker 9: of them, Will the Will the Time series, But man's

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Speaker 9: a lot. That's a lot of books there. They got

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Speaker 10: Really, I think I only read five of them so far.

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Speaker 9: Ever since I came back over here, like everything's been

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Speaker 2: I can't gas for no reason. They spraying that pepper spray.

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Speaker 10: They ain't doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes Jeremy was in a really, really dark place, and

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Speaker 5: Just be a listening day.

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Speaker 2: Now my ship has stolen and and and it gotta

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Speaker 8: I gotta go to medical.

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Speaker 9: I gotta get I gotta get a chest run on

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Speaker 2: I got a not in my stomach.

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Speaker 6: Is rais on your stomach because it's really low or higher.

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Speaker 9: It's it's like that, not it's like it's right. It's

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's right there, right in the middle of my cut, okay.

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Speaker 6: And it hurts when I touch it, oh ship, all right?

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Speaker 12: Oh man, Jeremy, are they like you see a doctor?

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Speaker 12: Are they gonna get you to see a doctor?

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Speaker 9: They're gonna I don't like to do it now because

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Speaker 9: And you know they're gonna charge a five dollars. His

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Speaker 6: They can have nobody, you know, yeah, yeah, oh man,

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Speaker 6: Hey, sorry, okay, cool, I'm so glad you called me, Zach.

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Speaker 6: How you doing that?

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Speaker 5: I'm yeah, Actually, this is Oscar Smith.

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Speaker 1: Turns out Oscar went to theological school with Leo while

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Speaker 11: On the front Road. He actually sat next to me

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Speaker 1: A class that you can get a degree from within

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Speaker 11: Eventually, of course, became almost inseparable wherever you see.

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Speaker 1: After Leo got released, some of the graduates were spread

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Speaker 1: Oscar was transferred up to Florida State Prison where Jeremy was.

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Speaker 11: Somebody asked who we were, so I was explaining to

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Speaker 11: And then I heard a voice and he said, you

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Speaker 11: And I'm like, I'm looking at him in the wing

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Speaker 10: Face to face.

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Speaker 11: The really the only thing that stands between me and

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Speaker 10: I said, I know who you are.

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Speaker 11: He was like okay. And the next thing he told me,

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Speaker 9: He said you Jeremy's cut said, asked me right, and

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Speaker 1: Jeremy was impressed that somebody close to Leo was still

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a lot of guys praying for you,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember thinking like this is a relief in

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Speaker 6: How did he look to you when you first saw him.

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Speaker 11: He's he's thinned, you know. I mean anytime Uran confinement

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Speaker 1: But I mean Oscar told me that once a week

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Speaker 11: I walked up there two weeks ago and he had

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 2: They lost my property. They threw all my stuff away.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they threw all my stuff away.

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Speaker 6: I got nothing.

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Speaker 11: The books you should me?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, before both.

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Speaker 2: I ain't got to redo they are they were in

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Speaker 11: God?

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Speaker 2: Hey can you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah? You want more? Poor boot of the gray man?

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Speaker 9: Hey, I ain't never.

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Speaker 2: I ain't never got to redo other ones.

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Speaker 6: I'll just send you to do. I'll just send you

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 6: Did you ever see a doctor about your stomach?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I still ain't seen him.

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Speaker 1: I was still pressing Jeremy for answers, but I could

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this. I I talked to Joshua. Do

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Speaker 11: Who?

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Speaker 6: Joshua? He's Jason's brother, Oh, my cousin. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then there were.

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Speaker 1: Moments when I heard something else in him, a flash

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know him at all. I'll look into him.

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Speaker 9: One got me into crime?

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Speaker 6: Oh really?

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Speaker 2: First I ever did a crime was with him? What

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Speaker 2: he's not a criminal. That was something we did when

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Speaker 11: That ain't that.

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Speaker 1: One day I got this letter from Jeremy. It says,

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Speaker 1: asked me about my family. I just I don't understand

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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister King. He's lost his whole family. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't had contact with them for over a decade, and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, listen, I'm trying to talk to them too.

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Speaker 1: I'll try to find out. I had no luck with

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Speaker 1: Jeremy's aunt Debbie, so I reached out to some family

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Speaker 1: members who were close to her. I finally got in

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Speaker 1: touch with her son, Joshua, Jeremy's cousin. I set up

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Speaker 1: a time to meet with him, and at the last

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Speaker 1: minute he said he had COVID. He was very apologetic,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm so sorry, it's just not a good time.

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Speaker 1: So I kept texting him and he ended up telling

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Speaker 1: me some bad news news I knew Jeremy was going

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Speaker 1: to take hard.

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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I've been I've been in touch with with

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Speaker 12: josh We've just had a hard time connecting.

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Speaker 6: I think he got COVID or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So do you know if anybody else died in my family?

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I do, Jeremy, and I'm sorry to tell

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Speaker 12: you this, but Josh said that Debbie died a couple

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Speaker 12: of years.

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Speaker 9: Ago, that mama, yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: He said it was like Christmas Eve and twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 12: and he said, he said, I don't even know if

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Speaker 12: Jeremy knows yet.

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Speaker 10: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, me and her a close.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 12: I was hoping to talk to her, and I just

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry that I'm the one that have to tell

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Speaker 12: you that, but I just found out, and I was

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Speaker 12: trying to think about who I could maybe.

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Speaker 6: Have you talk to about that, But you are from her. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: she died a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Years turned her back on me there because it was

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Speaker 2: for a Grandma came to seeing me. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: he always killed me out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know she, I know she was important and

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Speaker 6: she I know she raised you.

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Speaker 1: Before I met Jeremy's son, Justin, I didn't think anyone

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Speaker 1: else from Jeremy's family was ever going to write him,

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Speaker 1: much less call or visit. I had tried to be

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Speaker 1: a bridge between Jeremy and his family, but I'd failed.

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Speaker 11: Talking about his aunt Debbie and speaking to him about that.

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Speaker 11: He was worried about his own death. He doesn't want

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Speaker 11: to be buried in a prison cemetery.

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Speaker 1: The Florida State Prison Cemetery at Rayford doesn't get many visitors.

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Speaker 1: The gravestones are simple gray concrete slabs in the ground,

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Speaker 1: each anchored by silver metal plates produced by inmates in

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Speaker 1: the prison's license tag plant. They're embossed with the inmates name,

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Speaker 1: prison number, and date of death. That's it. You don't

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Speaker 1: see any flowers laid on top. It's the final resting

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Speaker 1: place for inmates who died in custody and are unclaimed

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Speaker 1: by family members. Some of the men buried here were

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Speaker 1: strapped to old Sparky Florida's electric chair or a gurney

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Speaker 1: where they were executed by lethal injection. Jeremy knows he's

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Speaker 1: never getting out of prison, but the idea of being

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Speaker 1: buried on prison grounds seems to bother him more than

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Speaker 1: anything He's aid.

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Speaker 11: But Oscar, I don't want to be buried here, he

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Speaker 11: goes not' I don't know how you know to go

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Speaker 11: about that. And I asked him, I says, well, if

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Speaker 11: you have any family, I said, the best bet would

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Speaker 11: be for you to try to contact them somehow, some way,

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Speaker 11: because if nobody is willing to take responsibility for the body,

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Speaker 11: then they have no other recourse but to, you know,

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Speaker 11: bury you in a prison cemetery because you're a ward

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Speaker 11: of state.

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Speaker 1: There would have to be someone out there who cares

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Speaker 1: enough to claim Jeremy's body. When Jeremy's son, Justin asked

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Speaker 1: me to help him talk to his dad, I was wary,

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Speaker 1: but also intrigued. I knew if I told Jeremy there

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Speaker 1: was a family member who wanted to talk to him,

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Speaker 1: he would be uplifted, and the idea that it was

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Speaker 1: his son, I could only imagine the excitement he'd feel.

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Speaker 1: So I told Jeremy that his son wanted to write

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Speaker 1: to him. Jeremy told me he would write to Justin,

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Speaker 1: and while I waited for them to find their first

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Speaker 1: words for each other, I headed back to Florida. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to make one final attempt to put my hands

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Speaker 1: on evidence that could prove without a doubt that Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Scott was telling the truth about what he'd done.

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Speaker 2: And we had two dogs from the time he did

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Speaker 2: lead him to the abandoned house, but they lost him there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the dog thought that whoever did this went

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Speaker 1: to the abandoned house.

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Speaker 5: Yes sure, okay, Yes sure, that's next time.

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Speaker 1: Bone Valley is a production of LoVa for Good Podcasts

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Speaker 1: in association with Signal Company Number One. Our executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Jason Flom, Jeff Kepler, and Kevin Wordis. Karen Krnhaber

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Speaker 1: is our senior producer. Jackie Pauley and Hannah Biel are

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Speaker 1: our producers. Britz Spangler is our sound designer.

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Speaker 5: Marianne McCune is our editor.

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Speaker 1: Fact checking by Dania Suleman. Jeff Cliburn is our head

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Speaker 1: of marketing and operations. Our Social media director is Ismati Guardrama,

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Speaker 1: Our Social Media manager is Sarah Gibbons, and our art

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Speaker 1: director is Andrew Nelson. Additional research and production by Kelsey Decker.

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Speaker 1: Additional sound recording by James Johnson. Bone Valley is written

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Speaker 1: and produced by me Gilbert King. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok,

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