Speaker 1: Boulet Cap Podcast Special guests in here legend, mister fat Man,
Speaker 1: welcome bro the al word. What's going down? I'm good Man,
Speaker 1: it's happy to be here. Man. Definitely appreciate you reaching
Speaker 1: back out when we reached out Man, a long time coming.
Speaker 1: But watching your grind, Man, I love everything that you're
Speaker 1: doing and how you highlighting a lot of the artists. Man,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful thing to see, you know, when our media
Speaker 1: begins to expand and expound from people that are from
Speaker 1: the culture. Man. And I definitely have seen you grinding
Speaker 1: for several years. Man, And I'm just happy to be here. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of frustrated because I can't even buy your
Speaker 1: ship online. You don't have a website. Now, we keep
Speaker 1: it where you got to come get it straight from us. Man.
Speaker 1: That creates our own ecosystm. Where can I buy some
Speaker 1: some dope? Ara shit. Oh. I feel like everything that's
Speaker 1: on the internet is fake. It's all of it. It's
Speaker 1: all bout legged the irony of that. But you have
Speaker 1: to go to Oakland. Yeah, you have to go to
Speaker 1: Oakland or tap into the you know the intricacies of
Speaker 1: our ecosystem. Man. One of us me, and you got
Speaker 1: to get it from us directly. I think we did
Speaker 1: that intentionally, though. I think a lot of I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of clothing companies come and go just based
Speaker 1: off the fact of they've been too accessible, and then
Speaker 1: people bring the value of the brand down by just
Speaker 1: frivolously wearing it and not representing it as h for
Speaker 1: the culture. Like we represent a straight, straight, strong harm
Speaker 1: strong arm on a culture. So you got to get
Speaker 1: it from us. It's kind of like we got evalidated,
Speaker 1: Like let me see you dope air approved. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got you, Like you either got to go and
Speaker 1: buy it or be tapped in, be tapped in. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get you something I'm not tapped in.
Speaker 1: One's definitely tapped in, man, I definitely get your packages
Speaker 1: and everything. Man, how's everything? Though? I obviously got the
Speaker 1: new album coming out this month? Right every week, bro,
Speaker 1: we're dropping. You know. That's the thing with us right now.
Speaker 1: We're doing this line this year hashtag PTA, which is
Speaker 1: pimp the Algorithms. So we're dropping. We're dropping an album
Speaker 1: every other week, every other every two weeks, there's an album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just dropping. So for you obviously. You know, we
Speaker 1: think of the barrier. I think of like independent grind.
Speaker 1: I think of independent rappers with twenty thirty albums, right.
Speaker 1: You know, for you what was the thought process behind,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out how to adjust that
Speaker 1: Bay Area grind to the algorithm to you know, it's
Speaker 1: just pta man. You know, right now we living in
Speaker 1: times where you have hundreds and thousands of artists that
Speaker 1: drop music consistently and it's so easy. There's no middle
Speaker 1: man now. It's back in the day it's hard to
Speaker 1: drop album right, Definitely difficult to drop an album back then.
Speaker 1: Now to take an advantage, you have so many different
Speaker 1: DSPs and other ways to get your music to the masses.
Speaker 1: Our main thing is just I'm one of those artists
Speaker 1: where I really love music. I really love being in
Speaker 1: the studio creating, working, and that's a daily thing for me,
Speaker 1: even in the midst of all the other businesses. If
Speaker 1: you do it for free, I love it, right. So
Speaker 1: my main thing is I still get high off creating.
Speaker 1: You know, when I go in the studio, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's my first day still, right, and I go
Speaker 1: in there with something to prove. I going there with
Speaker 1: something to create. I'm not one of those dudes that
Speaker 1: go on the lab and just you know, party bullshit,
Speaker 1: It's not my thing. I'm like, dude, I'm in here
Speaker 1: creating I really like and with my craft. I love
Speaker 1: it like that. So saying all that to say, you
Speaker 1: look in your email, you look at hundreds and you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of songs like no, they're just sitting. Why not
Speaker 1: put these out? Why not finish them? Why not? Why
Speaker 1: just get them out? You know, get them out, and
Speaker 1: you never know what can happen. Somebody can You can
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and your song is gone viral,
Speaker 1: somebody has done a TikTok to it, somebody wants to
Speaker 1: put it in a movie. You know. And as we
Speaker 1: grow and as we expand and expound, the others around
Speaker 1: us that have been in the creative field they do
Speaker 1: as well. So you have directors that may be working
Speaker 1: on music, that may be working on movies, a lot
Speaker 1: of things in Northern California right now with you know,
Speaker 1: the Blind Spotting. Ryan Coogler is a childhood friend of mine,
Speaker 1: And these are people that reach out like, yo, I
Speaker 1: need some music for this for us, So why not
Speaker 1: put it out? Man? And you know, like I say,
Speaker 1: hashtag piece he pimped algorithms. My biggest advice to any
Speaker 1: artists out there, there's no perfect time to drop music.
Speaker 1: So stop waking yourself and stop thinking it. Stop overthinking it,
Speaker 1: you know, and over analysts can cause paralysis, yep, and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to Then you stuff and then you
Speaker 1: get tired of the ship that you know is hot
Speaker 1: because you're like, man, it's just old. Now get it out.
Speaker 1: Then it don't come out, and then get the music out, man,
Speaker 1: Get the music to the people. Let the fans decide.
Speaker 1: Push the music out, and if it don't work, drop
Speaker 1: some more shit. And you're not being held or held
Speaker 1: accountable to all men. Your last project was trashed. We
Speaker 1: don't want to listen to nothing else. Man. Just keep working, man,
Speaker 1: you know, keep grinding. Man. That's you know, if you're
Speaker 1: an artist and this is what you love to do,
Speaker 1: do it. I love it man. For you, you've obviously
Speaker 1: evolved into such a leader of the Bay. Like when
Speaker 1: I think of the Bay Area, I think of you,
Speaker 1: I think of forty. I think of a couple guys
Speaker 1: who are just kind of like I feel like on
Speaker 1: all levels, being an og I always see you embracing
Speaker 1: the younger generation. I always see you kind of evolving
Speaker 1: the hustle, whether it's doing content now we're doing the store,
Speaker 1: the closing line, still obviously keeping your finger on the
Speaker 1: post of the music. Shit for you, like what motivates
Speaker 1: you to just keep the hustle strong? Man, I feel
Speaker 1: like you know it's in you. It ain't on you, you
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I said, man, I
Speaker 1: love it. You have to really love what you do,
Speaker 1: you know, to continue to do it, especially when you're
Speaker 1: doing it and it's not instant gratification. It's not instant
Speaker 1: monetary you know, consumption and things like that. We really
Speaker 1: just do it, man, we love it, you know with
Speaker 1: me and UNC which he's here, gonna come on and
Speaker 1: you know and chill. But embracing the younger guys, showing
Speaker 1: the younger guys. Look, there's no age limit in it.
Speaker 1: It's no there's no expiration date. And creativity, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's real, and remain creative, continue to
Speaker 1: keep doing I tell people Quincy Jones helped create Thriller
Speaker 1: at fifty years old. That's wildest thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that's that's one of his biggest contributions
Speaker 1: to music and one of the biggest songs in music.
Speaker 1: You think about the Asian dude who just won the
Speaker 1: Best Actors last night, he was like he was the
Speaker 1: little kid Jones. I'm seeing that. Yeah, they hugged and
Speaker 1: reenacted kind of like that same thing, which is kind
Speaker 1: of crazy. Yeah, but that that's like, that's what it
Speaker 1: is like. You know, you look at icons and legends,
Speaker 1: like Knives winning this first Grammy a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: after all of the things that he's done, after after
Speaker 1: was written, like we we look at these things and
Speaker 1: we say, look at what our icons have been doing.
Speaker 1: I come under as you eluded, uh, the e forties
Speaker 1: and you know the two shorts, Mac Dre's, Nicotina's and
Speaker 1: the several of the the icons that have done, Uh,
Speaker 1: they have pioneered what it is to be an independent artist.
Speaker 1: So just following that blueprint and then inoculating the things
Speaker 1: that I'm doing to show some of the younger guys. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't have to just start with music. We have
Speaker 1: a clothing store, I have a nightclub, I have a museum,
Speaker 1: I have nail shops. I didn't know, you had a museum,
Speaker 1: the Dope Air Experience. So it's just a canvas that
Speaker 1: we're gonna allocate to other schools and everything. We're opening
Speaker 1: up our school and this summer the Dope Air Academy,
Speaker 1: which is just a it's like a course to teach
Speaker 1: entrepreneurialism and other things to help these people, these young
Speaker 1: kids jump the curve to be able to say, dude,
Speaker 1: we got to start our kids early. We got to
Speaker 1: start our kids in position to say due, let's get
Speaker 1: you in the game early. One thing with us in
Speaker 1: the culture that we come from, sometimes our parents have
Speaker 1: taught us like you're too young for that, instead of
Speaker 1: this is how you do it. Don't touch that. You're
Speaker 1: too young to that. Nah. We have to change that
Speaker 1: narrative and break that monotony of not teaching and not educating.
Speaker 1: So I'm very you know, I'm huge on that. So
Speaker 1: that's all it is with me, man in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: is just keep leading that, keep going and embrace the
Speaker 1: next generation. Don't hog space so long, and embrace there's
Speaker 1: room forever everybody. Yeah, come on, man, Yeah, for sure
Speaker 1: for you. I feel like San Francisco and the Bay
Speaker 1: and Oakland were probably as heavily impacted by the pandemic
Speaker 1: as like a lot of cities, because you know, with
Speaker 1: extreme wealth comes extreme poverty. When I go to the Bay,
Speaker 1: because I try to make it out there probably like
Speaker 1: four or five times a year for Empire shit, and
Speaker 1: it feels like like, at least in the city, it
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of energy has kind of gotten
Speaker 1: pulled out of it. Now every time I go, everyone's like,
Speaker 1: it's Oakland's where you want to be. Oakland's where you know,
Speaker 1: the night life is still thriving. And you know, for
Speaker 1: you being somebody from Oakland and just kind of assessing
Speaker 1: like the state of the Bay as a city, as
Speaker 1: a as a metropolitan area rather, how do you feel
Speaker 1: like you feel like it's bouncing back at all? Or
Speaker 1: because because you know, I was at trying to go
Speaker 1: to a wal fucking Walgreens in San Francisco and that
Speaker 1: ship was just not open because of the the law.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone was stealing out of there. It's tough, man.
Speaker 1: And before we address the secondary, we must address the primary.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in the economical deficit is definitely hasn't
Speaker 1: affected and impacted and most of the time when this happens.
Speaker 1: You hear the wealthy complain about the loss of their
Speaker 1: wages and riches and things of their businesses that are
Speaker 1: slowing down. But the flip sides to that is what
Speaker 1: about those that don't have those businesses to be affected? Right,
Speaker 1: So if poverty is how they're affected, So if poverty,
Speaker 1: if the wealthy are being affected, imagine how impactful and
Speaker 1: affected people living in poverty. The poverty and so what
Speaker 1: that does is that induces all of the other things.
Speaker 1: Crime goes up, you know, the violence and the impoverished mindset.
Speaker 1: So in that mind state, you look at a lot
Speaker 1: of the people that are involved that are trying to
Speaker 1: rise above their areas that they're coming from. It's it's
Speaker 1: it becomes crucial, man, it becomes u It's a sad state.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a sad state where I can't come
Speaker 1: visit you at your store because I'm worried about if
Speaker 1: my windows are gonna get broken into. I can't come, uh,
Speaker 1: patronize your nightclub because I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get rib going leaving my club, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: leaving the club. So that's the the climate and the sentiment,
Speaker 1: the sentiments that we that we deal with and we
Speaker 1: have to factor into these equations. But you can't blame
Speaker 1: them for doing what they're doing out of an act
Speaker 1: of survival. Yeah, I mean that's and that's that's the
Speaker 1: other the other side of the coin, Like the law,
Speaker 1: I think it's you could steal under a thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: Like if you have no money and you're starving, and
Speaker 1: you could go get your food and get your whatever
Speaker 1: you need and nothing gonna happen to you. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it or not, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're gonna We we have to stop being so judgmental
Speaker 1: and judging right or wrong in situations that's either starved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like context to every situation, like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and there's people who are going
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that who might not be starving. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: most definitely. You know, it's hard to not be empathetic.
Speaker 1: But then it's also understanding that you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to be naive to the situations that's
Speaker 1: going on. So yeah, like I say, you know, there
Speaker 1: is is what it is, man, and you just you
Speaker 1: just hope, you know, keep your fingers crossed, and hope
Speaker 1: that you and your family are protected man, and that
Speaker 1: people find their way. And then as someone like myself
Speaker 1: as an influencer, continue to keep leading by example to
Speaker 1: show people how to create your own wells right and
Speaker 1: you know, and creating creating those wells, you can quench
Speaker 1: the thirst of many in your village. I saw was
Speaker 1: it your daughter whose car got bipped? Her? Her mother? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw like what you posted, was it her school work?
Speaker 1: To got her school work? Yeah? And you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: I get it as part of the game. I get it,
Speaker 1: But can I get my daughter's backpack back? Get it? Like?
Speaker 1: Like people don't. People love the game until the rules
Speaker 1: hit them and now they want to change the rules. Bro,
Speaker 1: we in it. We know what we signed up for.
Speaker 1: We know where we live, and we know. You know
Speaker 1: you can't change the law of the jungle. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And we understand that. And knowing is
Speaker 1: immune to You're not above it, like you're you're you're
Speaker 1: not above and I don't care what you're doing if
Speaker 1: you if you in this, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just like if you in the game, and you
Speaker 1: signed up for something, but you got to come even
Speaker 1: when it ain't in your favor. So as I say,
Speaker 1: you know, my, my, my, uh my public service announcement,
Speaker 1: you know, to the bippers out there, like hey man,
Speaker 1: if you guys, you guys hit this card. Hey, I
Speaker 1: didn't know if you got the bag. Man, they're not
Speaker 1: in there. But some home. That's it and so its work.
Speaker 1: It has worked before. It didn't work that time. It
Speaker 1: has worked before. The relationship. You know, some of the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, these young guys, they're the they're the mass crusaders.
Speaker 1: So sometimes you may know them and don't even know
Speaker 1: that you know them, and they'll follow you and be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, my bad, unc I didn't know, and you know,
Speaker 1: come drop it off. But uh man, my daughter is
Speaker 1: such a warrior man. She was able to steal ace
Speaker 1: all of her finals and everything straight A's it was
Speaker 1: like her homeworker notes her notes, and it was a
Speaker 1: week before finals, you know, and she's she's, uh, she's
Speaker 1: she's such a chap man, and she's like she's she
Speaker 1: is so devoted to school man, and getting into she
Speaker 1: wants to go to you know, like an m I
Speaker 1: T or things like that. So she's she's super dedicated
Speaker 1: still as the finals straight A's man and I'm proud
Speaker 1: of her. Which, uh, Golden State Warrior. At any time
Speaker 1: you answered, you think you can get to answer the phone,
Speaker 1: It's difficult, Like if real close someone, if someone said
Speaker 1: I have a million dollars, you have to get a
Speaker 1: warrior to answer the phone. Who who you call? Clay Clay? Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a good warrior to you know,
Speaker 1: you know those are my brothers like you, I mean
Speaker 1: like you would have to give me a time frame,
Speaker 1: like all give me a window, like give me a
Speaker 1: window of time, like you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: pretty much pretty Gary's gonna answer anytime. Who's now back
Speaker 1: on the team? Yeah, So so Gary's Gary's gonna answer
Speaker 1: any time? Were you had with his dad? Yes? Of course,
Speaker 1: GPS from Oakland at all that ship talking me and Steph.
Speaker 1: Me and Steph are like super close, Like me and
Speaker 1: Steph have a super close relationship. Man. But you know
Speaker 1: this is we have to be mindful of who Steph
Speaker 1: Curry is. So you know I'm saying like I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna call you. Yeah. So it's like I'm not just yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough thing, like to be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Steph's gonna answer that. You know, I would
Speaker 1: be lying, uh, but well he text back and when
Speaker 1: he call, of course. So it just has to be
Speaker 1: a time window though. Man. But I pretty have a
Speaker 1: great relationship with all of the fellas, man, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, Dre's little bro, and we just continue to
Speaker 1: keep building. Man, you know, I love those guys. For you,
Speaker 1: is it frustrating as a Warriors fan to see they're
Speaker 1: like the number one bandwagon team now in the last
Speaker 1: decade And I'm like, nobody was rooined for the fucking
Speaker 1: Warriors when it was Manta Ellis and David Lee, and
Speaker 1: then before that it was like Stephen Jackson, you know,
Speaker 1: even when it was like run dmc right, nobody was there.
Speaker 1: But now it's like they're like, you know, the the team.
Speaker 1: But do you get frustrated to see like bandwagon Warrior
Speaker 1: fans not at all? That's what winning does? You know?
Speaker 1: You you want to be able to say, man, let's
Speaker 1: continue to expand the bandwagon. Man, let's keep going that
Speaker 1: lets us know that we're winning. You have Yankee fans
Speaker 1: that probably can't tell you one person on the team.
Speaker 1: I just love the striking Cowboys fans. Cowboys fans, you know,
Speaker 1: all of these franchise man, you know, the Patriots of course,
Speaker 1: the Lakers fans. I've seen so many Bay Area people
Speaker 1: that I know that were Lakers, al most definitely was
Speaker 1: lak Now they're warrior fans, a lot of them, and
Speaker 1: you're full of ship. So I grew up my dad
Speaker 1: watched them. Yeah, yeah, magic Johnson. I had a Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson jersey at four, Like, come on, man, cut it out.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, it is what it is, like
Speaker 1: you that's what comes with winning, man. I definitely salute
Speaker 1: the fans that were there doing the tough times, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I'm happy about. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: to see some of those people still going strong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, shout out what was his name, Bertrand's what
Speaker 1: was the guy's name? The big German fucking Center, the
Speaker 1: White Boys Lithuania. He died, He had to die so
Speaker 1: could exist. Yeah, and people forget that he was an
Speaker 1: All Starr. Just he wasn't an All Star, but he
Speaker 1: was good. But he led the league and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty good man, pretty good, dug. It's like so fucking
Speaker 1: Lithuanian and something like that. He was pretty good. And
Speaker 1: his wow, his girl, oh my god, we gotta see
Speaker 1: we could find a picture of her. Man. His girl
Speaker 1: was so fine. Oh my god. So yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: those days. Yo. If someone comes to the bay you're visiting,
Speaker 1: what's the advice so they don't get bitped? Are we
Speaker 1: like you lying? You get your rental car, you got
Speaker 1: all your luggage. Let's say I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat.
Speaker 1: Am I taking all the luggage out of a car
Speaker 1: putting it in a restaurant with me? Most definitely? Okay.
Speaker 1: When you pull up, roll your windows down. Windows. You
Speaker 1: know most people pull up and be like, roll the
Speaker 1: windows up, we're getting out. No, when you pull up,
Speaker 1: roll the windows down. I don't care what the weather is,
Speaker 1: but roll the windows down, okay, and take everything out
Speaker 1: of your car. Don't risk it. The great advice is
Speaker 1: go to the room first, or go to your airbnb,
Speaker 1: put your stuff up, don't leave. Don't leave a Safeway
Speaker 1: bag in the backs, don't leave nothing, a fucking charger, nothing.
Speaker 1: Because what happens is they identify the cars and they like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a rental. They know so they know it's a rental,
Speaker 1: like it's a science to it, right, so it's a rental, like,
Speaker 1: oh he got a brand new christ the three hundred.
Speaker 1: Oh we got a rental. And then people be thinking,
Speaker 1: this is the biggest reason why most people get bipped.
Speaker 1: Those hazards. Those hazards let a person know that you're
Speaker 1: coming right back to the car, so it's evident that
Speaker 1: you've left something in the car since you're coming right
Speaker 1: back that fast, and hey, somem's in here. That's a
Speaker 1: green light. Yeah yeah, because it happens, so like you
Speaker 1: could go, you could go to that door, to the
Speaker 1: front door right here. The bit pulls up so fast
Speaker 1: by the time you get back here, you like, oh
Speaker 1: so hey, yeah, man, roll your windows down. You come
Speaker 1: to the Bay Area, roll your windows down. You're not safe.
Speaker 1: Don't think just because you're going in the Starbucks and
Speaker 1: anything like that, you are not safe. Row the windows down.
Speaker 1: You will be highly disappointed. Just allow them to open
Speaker 1: the door and go through it. Man. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: that there's no chain of command. So you can't call
Speaker 1: the big homie, you can't call the rapper to be like, man,
Speaker 1: can you get my stuff? Bro? That's gone. It's probably
Speaker 1: some fourteen year old, fifteen year old who don't even
Speaker 1: know who your big homie is. He don't know nothing.
Speaker 1: It's no protocols, no chain of command, it's none of that.
Speaker 1: This is getting how you live. They eat you feel me?
Speaker 1: They out are the key boys eating out there right now,
Speaker 1: because in LA there's just a lot of little kids
Speaker 1: stealing keys with USB's right now. Man, it's all kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. You got the scat cat boys, the hellcat
Speaker 1: because you know, they got the whole you know, the
Speaker 1: bay is a little bit more technic, technologically technologically advanced.
Speaker 1: It's Silicon Valley, so there's some silicon game going on.
Speaker 1: There's some pull up to your car with the iPad
Speaker 1: reprogrammed the hell cat. We'll get the meat on God. Wait,
Speaker 1: so what do they do? Man, You got the reprogrammer,
Speaker 1: so you got the when you get in the car,
Speaker 1: you got the reprogramming, putting it under the thing. Reprogram
Speaker 1: The key folks started up. It's serious, that's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: a whole different level of some of thievery going on
Speaker 1: out there. Some of them disable your key on God
Speaker 1: and bring a new key and just reprogramming that's impressive.
Speaker 1: The youngsters is man. They advance. That's why I was
Speaker 1: telling us, Say, dude, y'all taking all this time for crime.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you did something positive with it, Like imagine
Speaker 1: if you created the anti program where now you can
Speaker 1: deactivate somebody that's trying to program, like you can win,
Speaker 1: be smart, use your talents for a great You're out
Speaker 1: here reprogramming vehicles in a vert in a highly stressful situation.
Speaker 1: With a very small amount of time, you can work
Speaker 1: on something different. Bro, you're under a lot of stress.
Speaker 1: You can be diffusing bobs for the FBI. Whoa man
Speaker 1: you got? You got talent kid, Yeah, a fourteen year old,
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kiddie. Like then the way he explained
Speaker 1: it to you is so funny. All you gotta do, bro,
Speaker 1: take the iPad, put it under the thing. When you
Speaker 1: get the key, boom, it's gonna pop up. The app
Speaker 1: is gonna show up. So then you reprogramming bright. Then
Speaker 1: you got about ninety seconds. Once you get it, you
Speaker 1: click it, boom, Then you get up out of there,
Speaker 1: and then you gonna take it to the Mexicans. The
Speaker 1: Mexican's gonna give you three four thousand form, Bro, just
Speaker 1: chop it down. Crazy, Bro, that's amazing. Say y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: too much time and said, my brother, that's all I
Speaker 1: be looking for. Bro. I'm either gonna bip or get
Speaker 1: me a Hellcat brand. I know I can go. Give
Speaker 1: me a quick three thousand dollars, real fast, bro, I say, bro,
Speaker 1: y'all is crazy. Stay away from the Hellcat for real
Speaker 1: Hellcats and sketch. You will get reprogrammed. Man, we could
Speaker 1: get you too unk brow yo, Lambo, that's not safe. Bro.
Speaker 1: Let me see this key. Oh yeah, I can reprogram this.
Speaker 1: I could reprogram this. Man. You got to be cool
Speaker 1: leaving your key in the car. Huh. That shit is crazy.
Speaker 1: I think back. One of the viral moments when in
Speaker 1: the blog era that you had was when you know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the greatest rappers of all
Speaker 1: time fell death to your sword on stage and I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Royce the Five Nine. You guys had a battle,
Speaker 1: and I think Royce is one of the grace of
Speaker 1: all time. So you bodied him. It was rough, No,
Speaker 1: it was I felt like you caught him off guard.
Speaker 1: And there was a lot more factors into what happened, right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't like Royce got killed, but like the circumstances
Speaker 1: did not line a favorablyefore Royce he was caught off
Speaker 1: guard a little bit. I also don't think Royce came there,
Speaker 1: like I mean, you can kind of give you a
Speaker 1: little background what happened that night, because it's on YouTube, right,
Speaker 1: and not a lot of people can say, I shot
Speaker 1: the fade on stage with Royce and rapid and I
Speaker 1: got him. I caught him off guard that night. I
Speaker 1: don't think that he knew competitively what we were supposed
Speaker 1: to do that night. Okay. I think one thing that
Speaker 1: was told to me was we're going to have a
Speaker 1: freestyle battle with this person, this person, this person, and
Speaker 1: everybody's going to be there. One guy didn't show up.
Speaker 1: I think something had happened to something. Something did happen
Speaker 1: to Joe Butden's brother that night. So Joe was supposed
Speaker 1: to be there. And this is why I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, here's here's a good hairline headline for us.
Speaker 1: That night created Slaughterhouse MMMM. Because Joe Button was supposed
Speaker 1: to perform that night. Unfortunately, something had happened to his
Speaker 1: brother which prevented him from coming, which left me and
Speaker 1: Royce to battle and dual. So when we got up
Speaker 1: there to battle, I don't think that he understood that
Speaker 1: it was like that kind of battle, Like it's more
Speaker 1: like everybody just just get a verse some bars all,
Speaker 1: you know. So I caught him off guard, me being
Speaker 1: the young you know, super guy just excited, you know,
Speaker 1: for one him being one of my favorite rappers, he's
Speaker 1: a got to being like, yo, I get a chance
Speaker 1: to spar with with Royce tonight, I'm bringing the best shot.
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm swinging, so you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we did that. So then that led to Joe
Speaker 1: and Royce having words. I forgot that the little beef. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is before Slaughterhouse, So that night created Slaughterhouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because off of their beef is how they kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: got cool. So then it was like Joe was like,
Speaker 1: Hugh Royce, y'all whack woo, you know, Joe, Joe gets
Speaker 1: in his bag and he was like whatever, like y'all
Speaker 1: not even in my lone lane. And then Joe and Royce,
Speaker 1: I mean Joe and Royce and then me and Royce
Speaker 1: and they were like, we did what we did And
Speaker 1: then they were they went and then they you know,
Speaker 1: that was that began and took for real, so it conflated.
Speaker 1: They came together, they got Joel and and Uh and
Speaker 1: Crooked and created the Dope who was on that first song.
Speaker 1: Nino Blessed was on a song with them, and he
Speaker 1: was like, there was there was a song called Slaughterhouse
Speaker 1: and I think it was five of them, but they
Speaker 1: didn't end up including No Blessed, so Joe Crook and
Speaker 1: Joe and then they created you know, arguably one of
Speaker 1: the dopest groups. You know, especially first album was amazing
Speaker 1: for sure. Man, to be able to watch all of
Speaker 1: those dudes just trade bars was super dope. Man. It
Speaker 1: was funny because my dude came to me one day
Speaker 1: he was like, cuz, man, you helps work that bro,
Speaker 1: they could at least put you on a song or something.
Speaker 1: I say, Man, that's crazy. I say, Man, they're in
Speaker 1: a different league, man. You know we we we the underground.
Speaker 1: We like the dude that beat Tyson in prison and
Speaker 1: nobody knows his name. We just heard the rumors of
Speaker 1: Tyson lost a fight in jail. What is interesting too,
Speaker 1: because I do feel like, for whatever reason, it's still happening.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like the Bay Area, if you
Speaker 1: go to the Bay it is very much like its
Speaker 1: own like you're like in your own country kind of
Speaker 1: hip hop. It's like an island. Like you go to
Speaker 1: the club, you're gonna hear shit. You're gonna hear songs
Speaker 1: from people who aren't from the Bay that you won't
Speaker 1: hear anywhere else. Like you'll hear some Baby Boy the
Speaker 1: Prince or some like for sure, you'll just hear shit
Speaker 1: that like only worked there. The Way We Live still
Speaker 1: gets played, That's what I mean. Like this that that record,
Speaker 1: I think one of the young guys just redid that
Speaker 1: beat or something, or he's planning to redo that beat.
Speaker 1: That record is still big and people like never even
Speaker 1: heard that record. It's so crazy because like it is
Speaker 1: indeed its own island, and I think that there's like
Speaker 1: gifts and curses with that while also being like one
Speaker 1: of the most influential places in hip hop. There's so
Speaker 1: many things you can trace back to the Bay Area. Right,
Speaker 1: Why do you think you know twenty years later now
Speaker 1: you have a lot of context to your career and
Speaker 1: just you know, observing the music industry that the base
Speaker 1: still somehow doesn't get the flowers or respect you think
Speaker 1: it deserves, because I think it deserves a lot more
Speaker 1: love and respect, you know, in terms of the landscape
Speaker 1: and hip hop. You look at independent artists that have
Speaker 1: dealt with mainstream artists that have been backed by powerhouse machines,
Speaker 1: and you can't there's no equivalence to an independent artist
Speaker 1: pushing out his own product versus a label that's pushing
Speaker 1: millions and correct and you know what I'm saying, hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars behind a single correct for someone who's
Speaker 1: pushing a couple pennies towards a project, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's at the end of the day, that's what it is. Like.
Speaker 1: The difference is, as independent artists, we've created an infrastructure
Speaker 1: that has solely been based off a fan artist type relationship.
Speaker 1: We look at what the Russell is doing right now,
Speaker 1: and that's all just fan base. That's all community. This
Speaker 1: whole community and this ecosystem is that's what to marginalize
Speaker 1: the Bay Area in a nutshell, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just artists that has succeeded in respected markets with
Speaker 1: the art with with the fans and the group of
Speaker 1: people that support them and they just focus on them.
Speaker 1: Like you may take the hottest artists in the country
Speaker 1: and put him against somebody in the Bay that that
Speaker 1: may be thriving there demographically, and they do a show,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be people that are going to be going
Speaker 1: to that to that Bay, to that artist from the
Speaker 1: Bay's record, or if they put them on the same show,
Speaker 1: that artist is gonna be like, damn, why y'all let
Speaker 1: me open? Like just brought Dlo out like a few
Speaker 1: months ago, and it was crazy. It was I feel
Speaker 1: like it was like somebody else YG, maybe it was
Speaker 1: Kline brought him out about three months ago. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's what I was if. I mean, obviously she
Speaker 1: was from the Bay, you know, so it's a little
Speaker 1: little but I was just like that so tight she
Speaker 1: brought him out, and then YG brought him out about
Speaker 1: a month ago, same energy. D Low has hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. He just, you know, came home from prison
Speaker 1: and just been hitting the ground running. And like I
Speaker 1: told him, he's so influential. He doesn't even know, right,
Speaker 1: he was a kid when that record was probably sixteen
Speaker 1: years old, seventeen years old, and all of these years later,
Speaker 1: that record is still the number one records in the
Speaker 1: in the party starting record, and so now this is
Speaker 1: about him getting out and expanding and continuing to keep
Speaker 1: moving forward. But you see that times over in the Bay.
Speaker 1: There's so many different artists that are doing There's a
Speaker 1: young artist named Cato who has a record called go
Speaker 1: Off that went viral on TikTok, and you don't see
Speaker 1: people working records anymore. And like I was telling him, though,
Speaker 1: put some y'all never even worked that record. I'm like, hunk,
Speaker 1: all this person some energy, put some energy behind it.
Speaker 1: Like if you really put some energy behind this record,
Speaker 1: say I didn't watch y'all blow twenty thirty thousand and
Speaker 1: on the weekend at the club or something, go put
Speaker 1: that behind somebody. Call you know this guy and say, man,
Speaker 1: can you work this record? Help me get this record? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. Like the stunner Man kid's been working his
Speaker 1: record for two years, two years now, two years and
Speaker 1: stunner Man his energy alone, he's just a good person,
Speaker 1: great kid. He's got his he's got an amazing line
Speaker 1: of organic juices that taste amazing. He's just a great kid.
Speaker 1: His energy for sure, like his energy just so he's
Speaker 1: just a great kid man, so it's hard to not
Speaker 1: like him. Like we were in I was a he
Speaker 1: records at my home studio, like where I do all
Speaker 1: my work at Studio X. And he came in the
Speaker 1: other day and he was like, man, what did it
Speaker 1: take to get you on the song? I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: I'm like, load up? What you want me to get on?
Speaker 1: He said, But I got this one, but then I
Speaker 1: might have liked it this but this one sound cool too.
Speaker 1: Just did three verses for me real quick. Well pick
Speaker 1: what you like, just take whatever one. He was like,
Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's the type of organic energy
Speaker 1: that we own. Man right there, man, and and and
Speaker 1: and that camaraderie can continue to help bridge what has
Speaker 1: ever been separated in there. You got a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are that are working extremely hard from all
Speaker 1: cities up in the Bay. San Francisco is really thriving, Oakland,
Speaker 1: e p A. Berkeley, Richmond the most. Definitely Valeo and Sacramento,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people won't consider the Bay, Stockton
Speaker 1: and Sacramento. Stockton's on fire. Doctor is crazy, like the
Speaker 1: whole Stocking movement is on fire. And unfortunately that and
Speaker 1: you know, I know they lost the Slow B guy,
Speaker 1: but nursing piece of Slow B and Stockton Is but
Speaker 1: all the EBK all those guys though, I mean, those
Speaker 1: guys are crazy. And then we just seen Haiti Baby
Speaker 1: get signed with so you know, yeah, I always like
Speaker 1: it is funny because you'll you'll hear like you'll talk
Speaker 1: like you'll talk to certain people from and they're from
Speaker 1: like Sacramento and or stocked It and then you'll ask
Speaker 1: them if they don't think that, you know, like where
Speaker 1: are you from from the Bay? I'm from Sack, I said, right.
Speaker 1: But now Sack has created its own representation. Now they
Speaker 1: just like it's just like that. They just just pieful
Speaker 1: now now from Sack. So you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: We spoke, I did a They pushed a hard line,
Speaker 1: super hard. I mean they're strict. It's like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like it's because a bot camp camp for sure,
Speaker 1: Like you go on tour and get fine and ship.
Speaker 1: Me and Tech are like this like that's that's my
Speaker 1: brother man. And Tech has showed me so much love
Speaker 1: and game. I remember my first time going to Kansas
Speaker 1: City doing the show. Shortly after Macdrey was assassinated. Tech
Speaker 1: came to the show and was like I'm not letting
Speaker 1: nothing happen. He was their security guards and from I'm
Speaker 1: talking about from me entering Kansas City to me leaving,
Speaker 1: he was with me. And I was just like how
Speaker 1: did you get my number? Like this is like like
Speaker 1: he just called me. I was like what's up. I'm like, Tech,
Speaker 1: what's up? Where you at? Like, man, you're at Candy
Speaker 1: tonight right pulling up and he just stayed with me.
Speaker 1: It was like nothing's going to happen to Yeah. For
Speaker 1: people who don't know mac Drey was murdered in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: man and and Tech uh uh and Joe and like
Speaker 1: the whole squad. Travis made sure that we was cool
Speaker 1: man and like man like yeah, but the strange music,
Speaker 1: like bro, they so militant. Like when Tech goes on tour,
Speaker 1: Tech does like ninety eight days, ninety eight dates and
Speaker 1: one hundred days. It's it's no rooms you're shwering at
Speaker 1: and he's expecting a baby right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that's gonna happen. Like, bro, you shiring at truck
Speaker 1: stops for sure. You gotta get up at six in
Speaker 1: the morning. You gotta deal with those those strange music
Speaker 1: fans who are a special kind of fan. At the
Speaker 1: end of the show, you gotta wait till all the
Speaker 1: meet and greet and the signings and all that's done.
Speaker 1: So you might have performed at nine o'clock, you're not
Speaker 1: leaving that city till two o'clock. You gotta be at
Speaker 1: the next city at a certain time. You gotta shower,
Speaker 1: I said, I went out, I'll say to boogie for this.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: this type of successful. This is a different level of success.
Speaker 1: I love my freedom, brother, I don't I want to
Speaker 1: shower in a nice place. I am the room type.
Speaker 1: I am the I got to go go to the hotel.
Speaker 1: I got to catch an airplane. Man, I can't do
Speaker 1: it like I don't know, say it wasn't meant for
Speaker 1: me to get to get on that way. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: got to realize, Man, you gotta really applaud those people
Speaker 1: that put in that extra effort and Tech nine is
Speaker 1: the reason why he is and the reason why they're
Speaker 1: successful as they are because the behind the scenes work
Speaker 1: that they put in. Oh my god, the average artists
Speaker 1: wouldn't last. That's a real rap boot camp. Like, that's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you come in here, it's deer. You got to be
Speaker 1: ready for sure. So I love them and I salute
Speaker 1: them like for what they do. Man, them dudes are
Speaker 1: definitely deserving of everything that they get. I think some
Speaker 1: people who aren't from the Bay might not understand the
Speaker 1: gravity of mac dre, right. I think that for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, mac Dre wasn't a thing until he passed,
Speaker 1: and that's how they found out about him. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: in the Bay it's a lot different, But I had
Speaker 1: heard prior to him passing he was more embraced by
Speaker 1: like the like more nerdy, like like Berkeley, like rap
Speaker 1: hippie shit. Like. Explain to me kind of the dynamic
Speaker 1: of mac dre like and his kind of career and
Speaker 1: how things change in the way he was perceived after
Speaker 1: he passed, even even from like somebody like yourself, I
Speaker 1: think even the misconception of Berkeley, like we we people
Speaker 1: grab Berkeley from Telegraph Street and they think that that's
Speaker 1: just Berkeley, Like Berkeley is hood, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's you got the South Berkeley's the waterfronts, like,
Speaker 1: so all Berkeley, not just what you see on Telegraph Street.
Speaker 1: Like what I'm saying, Berkeley is like it's a real spot,
Speaker 1: like it's a hood spot. So his fans, though, to
Speaker 1: you know, support what you were saying. He had a
Speaker 1: fan base before he before he got out of jail,
Speaker 1: like people forget the California living, people forget the too
Speaker 1: hard for the radio on his first run where he
Speaker 1: sold you know, hundreds of thousands of records, and it's
Speaker 1: safe to say that was before the fist face for sure,
Speaker 1: way before that. Then you know, he went to the
Speaker 1: federal penitentiary for trumped up charges and he refused to
Speaker 1: tell on his friends. He did about five and a
Speaker 1: half years and he came out and his philosophy was, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have fun. I'm gonna just kick it,
Speaker 1: make some party music and chill and Miami created you know,
Speaker 1: the term this and it was just about just having fun,
Speaker 1: like doing the hippie, like creating the modern day hip
Speaker 1: hop hippie, and a lot of people don't understand. He went,
Speaker 1: I won't say under the wing, but let's say side
Speaker 1: by side with Andre Nicotina, and Nicotina was like another
Speaker 1: legend who doesn't super icon, who you won't get an
Speaker 1: interview out of, you won't anything. It still does like
Speaker 1: random shows. Yeah, he'll do when he wants to. You'll
Speaker 1: be like a Nicotina's performing here, like he's doing this,
Speaker 1: He's doing this thing now with the symphony where they're
Speaker 1: doing He's like the San Francisco Symphony is doing his
Speaker 1: music and like Niggis. I think Godzi was telling me
Speaker 1: about that. I love Nikki, like like Nikki is a
Speaker 1: dude where he's a he's a guru man. He'll he
Speaker 1: talked to you in parables and it's just like you
Speaker 1: sit up and you be like see all that ship
Speaker 1: just miss me Lean a kid from Phoenix, like the
Speaker 1: mac dre Andre Nicotina. I was listening to forty in
Speaker 1: a major way. I was listening to all the two
Speaker 1: short ships. So they were underground, so like hieroglyphics, but
Speaker 1: like and and like Selly sell ship like that, but
Speaker 1: that like under Drey Dog was like Dre Dog is
Speaker 1: you know that's Nicotina. That's like the under undercut. So
Speaker 1: Dre and Dre and Dre hooked up. So Nicotina and
Speaker 1: and and uh mac Dre hooked up and Dre was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you to these other fans, to these fans.
Speaker 1: That's supportive, to these fans, that's gone no matter what
Speaker 1: you do. And we went out on tour and it
Speaker 1: was a Nicotina tour and me, I was like, I
Speaker 1: thought mac Dre was bigger than Nikki until I went
Speaker 1: to the Seattle's and the Olympias and the Salem's and
Speaker 1: the belly Hans and I was like, oh, it's different.
Speaker 1: He's bringing them out. Yeah, like Nikki huge. So I
Speaker 1: got a chance to go on a Canadian tour with
Speaker 1: Nicotina and I was just I was blown away because
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going in the cities you can't I
Speaker 1: can't even pronounce the city and I'm just like the
Speaker 1: lines wrapped around the corner and like Nicotina is just
Speaker 1: like wow. So that's the fan base they had. They had,
Speaker 1: like you know, big shoutouts to Santa Rosa, Sebastia Pool, Petaluma, Yukaya, Humbled,
Speaker 1: all of these small cities that people bypass the normal
Speaker 1: mainstream hip hop they go right by those these cities.
Speaker 1: But these guys made a career off showing love to
Speaker 1: those fans, right and until this day, those fans are
Speaker 1: very still supportive. Man. And that's the Bay areas Chitlin
Speaker 1: circuit where they go out, because yeah, that's real. It's
Speaker 1: like you get kind of that whole. You can go
Speaker 1: to Boise, you can go tour, you go from from
Speaker 1: Seattle to San Diego, and then we jump over because
Speaker 1: of course we go to Arizona, we go Boise and
Speaker 1: from that area, that whole little that Chitland circuit, a
Speaker 1: bay area and artists can make a living and now
Speaker 1: too and a good one and LA artists. It's the same,
Speaker 1: most definitely, most definitely because the sound is similar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the LA shit, Like I'll notice, like guys like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always trying to talk to some of
Speaker 1: my friends and be like, hey, you know, like how
Speaker 1: do we get past get you past Arizona or get
Speaker 1: you past Albuquerque? Right? You know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: that's really the key kid named Kaitlyn for Real, for
Speaker 1: real did a good job because he just moved to
Speaker 1: Atlanta for like a year. He went crazy when he
Speaker 1: came to the Bay. Yeah, so like, but he went
Speaker 1: to the South and try to break there first, and
Speaker 1: it kind of worked in his favor because you know,
Speaker 1: now he can go to Atlanta and do a show.
Speaker 1: But I do think that chitpland circuit is a real
Speaker 1: thing you have. You have to tap into the chitpland
Speaker 1: circuit because something that people lack nowadays that they allow
Speaker 1: social media to confuse them into thinking just because you
Speaker 1: have followers that you have fans. True, and that's a
Speaker 1: different fans break bread to buy the shirt. Followers kind
Speaker 1: of like nosy neighbors. Your followers are the people that
Speaker 1: just want to look and they peak through the window.
Speaker 1: Thet won't. But the difference between followers and fans are
Speaker 1: those fans are going to say, dude, I'm going I
Speaker 1: want I want that picture, I want to be I
Speaker 1: want that autograph, I need period of tattoo. By the way,
Speaker 1: hey listen right, you know I need that, you know,
Speaker 1: And then that fan is they're going to subscribe to
Speaker 1: your tribe, and that's how you become successful. That's how
Speaker 1: somebody passed the Mississippi may have never heard of mister
Speaker 1: Fab or past the Rockies may not have never heard
Speaker 1: of mister Fab. But you come to our area and
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, you you have all of these entities
Speaker 1: and you have this influence, and you ride around town
Speaker 1: and Lamborghinis and Maseraties, you do all of this things.
Speaker 1: You know, all of the things that they're in awe by.
Speaker 1: But it's because we wouldn't be anything without the fans,
Speaker 1: and so our Chiplin circuit is it's very impactful and thriving,
Speaker 1: especially if you go out and you involve yourself and
Speaker 1: dedicate with them. So why do you think? Uh? And
Speaker 1: I might be wrong, but was mac Dre more embraced
Speaker 1: by the inner city after he passed or was his
Speaker 1: influence recognized more once he passed away in terms of
Speaker 1: just kind of like the Hyphee movement and like what
Speaker 1: kind of came after his death? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: after mac Dre passed away is really when the Hyphee
Speaker 1: movement took on a whole new level. And I can
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you can give a lot of credit
Speaker 1: to a lot of people, but I think might get
Speaker 1: a report card is kind of what brought the hyphee
Speaker 1: movement too the world. But like, why do you think
Speaker 1: that he wasn't maybe necessarily appreciated as much as he
Speaker 1: is now because I've never been the guy a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I've never been a big Mac Dre fan,
Speaker 1: So I try to understand that because I go to
Speaker 1: the band, I'm like, God, damn it, it's motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: went and bought him Mac Dre sodaan Balo. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's a hip hop fan who's never
Speaker 1: heard a J Dealer beat, who would argue that Jay
Speaker 1: deal is one of the best producers ever. I just
Speaker 1: had this kid, cash kid from Detroit, who's from Detroit,
Speaker 1: and I said, have you ever heard of Jay Dealer?
Speaker 1: And he was like, Oh, what's that? I was like,
Speaker 1: so like, it's just like what comes with the post
Speaker 1: is people just automatically begin to give you a certain
Speaker 1: amount of praise or they contin just because they feel
Speaker 1: like And that's unfortunate because I think we just saw
Speaker 1: it with Nipsey most definitely, like the world stopped when
Speaker 1: Nipsey died and it was like where were these people
Speaker 1: that when Nips was alive? For sure, like you know,
Speaker 1: now give it credit that there were a lot of
Speaker 1: people that loved Nip for sure, But was it like that, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Was it like that? It's
Speaker 1: almost like he had to to be fully appreciated for
Speaker 1: everything he was doing. It's like they're seldom do you
Speaker 1: see artists get a chance to receive that love while
Speaker 1: they're alive. I think mac dre was able to receive
Speaker 1: that in the world that he was in. He was
Speaker 1: able to feel that. He dropped the DVD called Trill TV,
Speaker 1: and and this is just being in transparency. People in
Speaker 1: Oakland was just like, Okay, that's the LAO, that's the rump,
Speaker 1: that's that's them, that's they doing their thing. They wasn't
Speaker 1: really super crazy Mac dre fans, not the majority. Of course,
Speaker 1: you have fans that were already previous fans, you know
Speaker 1: in theforemention of what we talked about. But when Trill
Speaker 1: TV came out and people was like, bro, this is
Speaker 1: how you living. Like Trill TV showed him an effect
Speaker 1: where he had g wagon, he had the Platinum chain,
Speaker 1: he had the grill, he was like it. He became
Speaker 1: a superstar and for a long time, the Bay Area
Speaker 1: hadn't saw that. They hadn't saw somebody in the benses
Speaker 1: and and the things that he had, the chains and
Speaker 1: the watch. They was like, oh, this cut of this
Speaker 1: nigga saucy. He like, I want to be him. Like
Speaker 1: what I'm saying now, people want to They started aspiring
Speaker 1: to be like him. The lifestyle. So that gave him
Speaker 1: a level of star power that you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was an avalanche and on his incline. Unfortunately, what
Speaker 1: took place took place, so he was he was rising
Speaker 1: back up on the end and so that momentum still
Speaker 1: pushed forward after he passed, and people were just like, bro, y'all, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all seeing that, but y'all didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: see it. So it became folklore. It was urban folklore.
Speaker 1: It was like y'all didn't get a chance to see it. Yep,
Speaker 1: we was there, like we saw Like people tell you
Speaker 1: their stories of his star power. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Jesus, people's got to talking about
Speaker 1: We don't know if those stories were true. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: he touched it in Man and cure leprosy man. And
Speaker 1: when he took the bread and cut the fish up
Speaker 1: and fed everybody, it was like, you know, the folklore
Speaker 1: begins to expand, and so that's what it was with
Speaker 1: dre But if you asked me, was he able to
Speaker 1: feel or smell those roses? I do believe that he
Speaker 1: was because he was able to see his impact and
Speaker 1: how impactful that it was becoming in his resurgence. And
Speaker 1: unfortunately it was cut short forty and Warner did a
Speaker 1: hell of a job with packaging up the high fee
Speaker 1: movement and selling it right shots a little John too,
Speaker 1: the most depinely that was all the you know, Warner
Speaker 1: Little John TVT forty. They did a great movement in
Speaker 1: pushing it forward, and a lot of people capitalized off
Speaker 1: of it from you know, monetary perspective. But I feel
Speaker 1: like the whole package of seeing it all, if they
Speaker 1: would have got a chance to see it all, it
Speaker 1: would have been amazing, Like if you would have got
Speaker 1: a chance to see too short forty Mac dre Key,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the Younger Federation, the Team Fabs
Speaker 1: and Turf Talks and all of the other guys that
Speaker 1: played a significant role in keeping that snowball going into
Speaker 1: an avalanche. I think you would have got a chance
Speaker 1: to see it being broader and being more spoke about,
Speaker 1: rather than just the folklore of what it was and
Speaker 1: what it could have been. Do you feel like for
Speaker 1: you being do you feel like right now like everything's
Speaker 1: in good hands in the bay in terms of just
Speaker 1: the up and coming generation, Because I think a guy
Speaker 1: like Simba, who's kind of a young og, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a you know, he's been around l Russell,
Speaker 1: I think is changing a lot of the way independent
Speaker 1: artists all over the world are thinking about their business,
Speaker 1: modeling what it means to be an artist. Like, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about the new generation? I love those guys.
Speaker 1: I love Simba, I love Larrussell. I actually just did
Speaker 1: fab Week, which is my annual birthday party weeks and
Speaker 1: I brought drink Champs out to sit down with Larussell
Speaker 1: and Simba and other icons like Jay Styling. But you
Speaker 1: see people that are transitioning, You see the filthy riches
Speaker 1: that are transitioning from an artist to CEOs label. So
Speaker 1: He's given a lot of these artists chances to be heard.
Speaker 1: Then you have the underground guys that are working, still
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out on their own. You have
Speaker 1: people like in different areas, every region has they're different.
Speaker 1: You got the all Blacks all said cham. You know
Speaker 1: those guys that have their fan bases. They're running and
Speaker 1: and and and they're working. Man, They're they're working. And
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to see these guys. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: see these guys. But one thing that I'm super proud
Speaker 1: of is, you know, San Francisco. I'm the little beans
Speaker 1: and the zay bangs and the little pets, like these
Speaker 1: are guys that are doing numbers. Yeah, San Francisco. I
Speaker 1: feel like, kind of like musically was like the least
Speaker 1: popping city in the Bay for a long time because
Speaker 1: we think of the guys who came from Ballejo and Oakland.
Speaker 1: But now, like you said, San Francisco is kind of
Speaker 1: on fire. By the way, Larry June is also the hottest,
Speaker 1: the hottest. There's no one hotter than Larry Jones. I
Speaker 1: just gave Larry June a serious bag to do my
Speaker 1: nightclub last week and it was it was a good
Speaker 1: turn out. Like there's there's there's no one nobody in California.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that that if you put, if
Speaker 1: we talk about independent structure, we talk about you put
Speaker 1: you say that Larry June's coming, and then somebody else
Speaker 1: they're going to go to the Larry June shows. Like
Speaker 1: I've watched Larry June sellout shows not only in the
Speaker 1: States everywhere, but we were we were in Amsterdam and
Speaker 1: he had a show and everything is sold out, like
Speaker 1: like Larry Jones selling out shows all around the world.
Speaker 1: Independent I want and I want to say this doing festivals.
Speaker 1: I want to say this to the to the disturbances
Speaker 1: is what I like to call people. As of late
Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks or so, there's been
Speaker 1: internet turmoial where people are trying to say that Larry
Speaker 1: June has taken Dom's style, Dom Kennedy, and I want
Speaker 1: to say this. This is where hip hop becomes our
Speaker 1: own worst enemies. Where fans begin to try to turn
Speaker 1: on people, or they begin to try to turn artists
Speaker 1: against each other, and they begin to create narratives, these
Speaker 1: narratives that are false. Both of those guys are extremely
Speaker 1: talented artists. Both of those guys have rolled in the
Speaker 1: same lane of life We're in California, so we've been
Speaker 1: exposed to the same level of culture, just different perspectives,
Speaker 1: one from northern California, one from southern California. So before
Speaker 1: you guys begin to turn them brothers against each other,
Speaker 1: let's be able to say, let's push the narrative of
Speaker 1: them doing a tour together, them doing songs together, them
Speaker 1: continuing to create and come together, so that narrative begins broken.
Speaker 1: And now you can see more people being able to
Speaker 1: be employed and taking care of themselves. And it's also
Speaker 1: not like Larry June just popped up like Larry Jones been.
Speaker 1: I got when we did the record with Larry June
Speaker 1: we did years ago. This is like like I feel
Speaker 1: like he's been at least ten years after. Like people
Speaker 1: o Jamaiko like he was he was he was he
Speaker 1: was on tour with Mako years ago, Like you feel
Speaker 1: me like like June June is and June comes from it.
Speaker 1: June's like a direct descendant of RBL, like this that
Speaker 1: he's the child of Big June was in RBL. So
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, when you see RBL,
Speaker 1: these guys are icons that sold several records, Gold records
Speaker 1: at a time where you know, San Francisco wasn't even
Speaker 1: getting credited for that. These dudes did that. So this dude,
Speaker 1: he's not somebody that he really from it, Like June
Speaker 1: is really that dude, like he really from it. So
Speaker 1: don't don't create those near it is, man. But Larry
Speaker 1: jon Is, Larry June's on fire. Camaya is doing her job.
Speaker 1: She's such a masweetheart. And like I say, it's so
Speaker 1: many other artists, man, that are that are working, that
Speaker 1: are thriving, that are doing a damn thing man. And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm happy, man, I'm happy to see these
Speaker 1: young guys get a chance to make something of themselves
Speaker 1: with their talent. That's a that's a blessing man, to
Speaker 1: be able to say, you got these guys like Cash
Speaker 1: click Bug, he's from Richmond, and man, they on fire. Man.
Speaker 1: They like they working and they grind and they doing
Speaker 1: their thing. Man. And I'm just I'm just so proud
Speaker 1: of them. You got Brotherro who just signed with Little Dirt.
Speaker 1: It's a dude from West Oakland. You got the years,
Speaker 1: the catos, the lingos, and police blame the head and
Speaker 1: not the heart, but to all of the dudes that's
Speaker 1: working out there in the Bay Area. Man, keep going,
Speaker 1: keep pushing because y'all doing the hell of a job man, right,
Speaker 1: for sure, No facts. It's also dorope to kind of
Speaker 1: see like a it's wild because I feel like you
Speaker 1: can speak to why you think Detroit and Oakland because
Speaker 1: I've talked to Detroit guys about this. It feels like Detroit,
Speaker 1: Oakland and San Francisco. There's like a Cousins. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of cousins similarities and the
Speaker 1: music and the hustle and the game, and you know
Speaker 1: when you a lot of Detroit guys very very big
Speaker 1: in the base man cousins. Man. It definitely because people
Speaker 1: forget too short discovered kid rock facts back in the
Speaker 1: day because kid you know what I'm saying, people people
Speaker 1: forget that and the high Top so like people forget that.
Speaker 1: So the Bay Area and Michigan have always been one
Speaker 1: of the same, like you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: their cousins e forty be legit or like icons there.
Speaker 1: That's why Big Sean wanted to do the record with forty,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like that that connection is
Speaker 1: it's been there, like you know. So it's so identical,
Speaker 1: same culture, same lifestyle, the player, won't you know, popping it,
Speaker 1: the hustling, you know, so a lot of that. The
Speaker 1: market is the same, so Day's loaf. Her first big
Speaker 1: market that she blew up in was the Bay before
Speaker 1: the rest of the country even heard of her. Try
Speaker 1: Me was a number one record in Oakland. In the Bay.
Speaker 1: All of the Detroit guys, man, they're they're they get
Speaker 1: they get love. Filthy is huge in Detroit. Huge, He's
Speaker 1: out there a lot. Like Filthy goes to Detroit and
Speaker 1: you would think that he's from there, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he's taking his whole crew. Mazzi is
Speaker 1: huge out there. Mazzi is huge out there, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. These guys have crazy fambaus. I
Speaker 1: remember I went out there to Detroit and I was
Speaker 1: shocked that people knew who I was. I was like,
Speaker 1: they're like fat, Oh my god, Like bro, that's crazy
Speaker 1: because during our movement we never went out there, right,
Speaker 1: so it's like, damn we could. We could have been
Speaker 1: over here. Like sat of seen me sort of seeing
Speaker 1: me and unc and was like, bro, love y'all, Like
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying. I was like, Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely the similarities are you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: the same in culture, So Oakland and Detroit, the whole
Speaker 1: Bay area in Detroit, Man is definitely a you know,
Speaker 1: they they stat by side and culture and fans and
Speaker 1: so it's dope. Well, once upon a time, you know,
Speaker 1: the Bay did have a bit of like a you know,
Speaker 1: Drive Records had an office there. A lot of the
Speaker 1: music industry was based in San Francisco. And I talked
Speaker 1: to Gazi about this a lot, like his mission is
Speaker 1: kind of to do his part to try to bring
Speaker 1: that energy back and to try to bring people to
Speaker 1: the Bay. Like do you feel like you kind of
Speaker 1: have that burden on your shoulders too to kind of
Speaker 1: make sure like, hey, you know, you don't have to leave,
Speaker 1: because I do feel like there is a there, and
Speaker 1: like to be fair, a lot of the bigger artists
Speaker 1: who come out of the Bay and then move into
Speaker 1: LA or they kind of do the back and forth thing.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you still kind of can make
Speaker 1: it nationally if you stay in the Bay or do
Speaker 1: you feel like it would be more productive to maybe
Speaker 1: go to La for a little bit, go to Atlanta
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Like it's all about what you
Speaker 1: want to do, right, what do you feel is fitting
Speaker 1: for you? Some people want to be famous, some people
Speaker 1: want to get paid. People want both. Some people want
Speaker 1: to be both. You know, are you willing to deal
Speaker 1: with the restraints and the constraints that come with that? Right?
Speaker 1: Are you ready to deal with? You know, the liability
Speaker 1: that you become, that you put on yourself by being
Speaker 1: able to have to move around? And can you afford
Speaker 1: that lifestyle? You know, and these are the things that
Speaker 1: you have to just ask yourself, what are you willing
Speaker 1: to do? I feel like if anyone wants to continue
Speaker 1: to further the trajectory of their career, they must always
Speaker 1: move around. You must always be able to go connect
Speaker 1: the dots and other areas demographics and build a network
Speaker 1: and learn to be a businessman in that regards. And
Speaker 1: if you go to Atlanta, save some rep money, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you get a chance to save some money
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. And and so it's all
Speaker 1: based off what do you want to do? What do
Speaker 1: you see fitting for yourself? You see the guys like
Speaker 1: Cupolo three to oh four, who's a star. He's a
Speaker 1: star to me for like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and to be able to see him. These are the
Speaker 1: guys that I tell like leave I've been told filthy
Speaker 1: goal Yeah shit, Filthy had the opportunity to be on
Speaker 1: Rock Nation like goal goal bro go leave go. Fel
Speaker 1: me like you become a shark in the fish bowl
Speaker 1: like leave go. It's it's nothing wrong with like my
Speaker 1: aspirations for wanting to be a superstar megastar died years ago.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like I've settled or I've become complacent.
Speaker 1: It was just like I'm cool, I'm I'm I'm friends
Speaker 1: with the superstars, you know, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I can call them. Those are you know, those are
Speaker 1: my guy I could call? You know, could I could
Speaker 1: call these people like you know, I can, I can
Speaker 1: pop up, you know, I can have stuff come to
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and you know, come chill. I could. I
Speaker 1: could do all of these things with all the superstars.
Speaker 1: I get the features and you know, I've never paid
Speaker 1: for a feature in my life. I got records with
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar and all of these guys, like you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm okay with that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But to the next generation, if you do
Speaker 1: want to go take that man, go go move around.
Speaker 1: And that's to any artists that's the artist from LA
Speaker 1: that's the that's an artist from Consequence, New Mexico. Go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should definitely go. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: just just go go see the world, go venture out
Speaker 1: and go and go network like right now, and I
Speaker 1: live I live my dreams vicariously through my uncle, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My uncle is doing. He's
Speaker 1: he's a star. My uncle is bigger than a lot
Speaker 1: of rappers where we're from right now, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so the whole Uncle Hunk show
Speaker 1: is just like I want to see. I love the
Speaker 1: excitement sing him with these major artists and then these
Speaker 1: artists that come like that watch our page or that
Speaker 1: see us and just be like, bro, I was cracking
Speaker 1: up watching y'all, like do what you do, And to me,
Speaker 1: I live it through him. I get juiced off that man.
Speaker 1: You know, that's super dope for you. Do you ever
Speaker 1: see yourself retiring from rapping? I mean, as long as
Speaker 1: the passionate and the loves there. Like we were talking earlier,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're just gonna, yo, just keep keep it going,
Speaker 1: because why not. I'm a writer, so I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't just rap like you know, like I've wrote platinum
Speaker 1: and gold records for several artists, right, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think that's one thing that has
Speaker 1: always you know, kept me around the basket. I got
Speaker 1: that pen, yeah, I can. You know I write for
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Speaker 1: were like, oh I didn't know you were, Okay, you
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Speaker 1: I say, my idols aren't just rappers, like my idols
Speaker 1: are the Quincy Joneses and you know, the Miles Davis
Speaker 1: and people that have contributed to music in ways that
Speaker 1: have surpassed just the rapper mentality, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so I will always stay around it.
Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, I love it. And then you
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Speaker 1: you know what's crazy getting I feel like life is
Speaker 1: too short? Was like I think that was like way yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was like but like cuss words. I just
Speaker 1: remember learning cusswords by heart as a kid because it
Speaker 1: was like one of the few rap albums my dad had.
Speaker 1: Short dog Like I mean, like I said, that's my
Speaker 1: hip hop dad. That's the dude who you know, I
Speaker 1: call pops, who has taken me all around the world
Speaker 1: with him, who has shown me and his most gorrific
Speaker 1: way of teaching. He just like someone just told me, well,
Speaker 1: never mind, I don't think I'm probably not someone's gonna
Speaker 1: be playing too short in a movie or a show. Yeah, symbol, Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it's public. It's public. Pl He looks
Speaker 1: just like him. Dead on him. It's fucking crazy, dead
Speaker 1: on him. He got the tooth and everything, the coat,
Speaker 1: the hat, to the back. So he called me. He
Speaker 1: called me, he was like, big brother, can you put
Speaker 1: me on the phone with Short man. I just want
Speaker 1: to show him this little thing. So I facetimed the
Speaker 1: way all he was like. Sure, was like, oh that's crazy, crazy,
Speaker 1: So and then that right there, like that alone, man,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. I mean, like, you know, Short is
Speaker 1: short of somebody who they'll never give him his credit,
Speaker 1: right like unfortunately, it's going to take for him to
Speaker 1: ascend after this long and for people to really be
Speaker 1: like damn. He was on Life After Death. It was
Speaker 1: on volume two any major album. I mean too Short,
Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, I thought Too Short
Speaker 1: was the biggest rapper in the world to me, like
Speaker 1: as a little kid, I was like, Short is the
Speaker 1: only artist and not to cut you off, I apologize now.
Speaker 1: Short is the only artist that has a song with
Speaker 1: Biggie Pop jay Z PIMPSI. Yeah, he had Anybody you name.
Speaker 1: He had his Atlanta run like anybody you name Short
Speaker 1: has records with on their album. First time I ever
Speaker 1: heard Little John was that he shine Little John. He
Speaker 1: signed Little John at seventeen and then was so player.
Speaker 1: He let him go for nothing like when the major
Speaker 1: labels wanted to get Little John, he John was like, man,
Speaker 1: can I get out this contract? And he let him go.
Speaker 1: He was like ohhea, like I'm not do your thing.
Speaker 1: And that's why to this day they have the greatest
Speaker 1: relationship in friendship. Like John damn there just got him
Speaker 1: the residency. Short big shoutouts to Short just got a
Speaker 1: residency in Vegas on a was that taw one of
Speaker 1: them clubs? Like this is short man like Shortest, Like
Speaker 1: I brag and I talk about him more than he
Speaker 1: does for himself, Like I'm his voice, I'm his I'm
Speaker 1: his come on, like you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's just because I don't like the way that the
Speaker 1: industry tries to normal normalize what he has done for
Speaker 1: hip hop. Like how many people that you know that
Speaker 1: you can say was famous as a rapper in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two, It's crazy, Like, Bro, that's forty years, Bro,
Speaker 1: forty one years where he was a known rapper famous.
Speaker 1: Really like him and Iced Tea in terms of this side, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like come on, bro, like you see Ice get a
Speaker 1: star love uncle HEAs that's huge? Why not like one
Speaker 1: has who has? Just tell me who has done more
Speaker 1: than two short and hip hop for the past forty years, right,
Speaker 1: it's crazy forty like four And when I just talking
Speaker 1: about like forty years, I'm talking about this dude got
Speaker 1: songs with Lady g Go. Like He's like this is short,
Speaker 1: Like this is short. Walking up into the Playboy mansion,
Speaker 1: I was a kid. He walks up. Hugh Hefner walks
Speaker 1: up to him and was like, what's up, Todd. I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you have knows you by your name. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, this is crazy to me, Bro, Like
Speaker 1: nobody's bigger than too short my eyes man, And like
Speaker 1: I say, man, like even right now. And I just
Speaker 1: text him and he's like, till this day, Pops, what
Speaker 1: you're doing? Man, I'm in the studio. MA, I'm in
Speaker 1: a labbin Like it's like I'm still in Like he's
Speaker 1: still there, Like this is crazy, bro. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's all right, can I bring my uncle up here?
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? Come here? Man? Were he said, what
Speaker 1: you want? You want your own got to do his own.
Speaker 1: We gotta do his owne Oh, you want your own interview?
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna come on? What's he saying what
Speaker 1: do you say? Oh yo, you want to come over here?
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on, get go ahead, take over?
Speaker 1: So you took over the show? Oh yes, it's no
Speaker 1: longer the bootleg. It's bootleg. Ain't nothing bootleg about me.
Speaker 1: Don't get it messed up. So what are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm doing the bootleg cav takeover by So what's up? Man?
Speaker 1: First to be done? I have three questions for you?
Speaker 1: What so next? Serious? Questions? Don't be this could be
Speaker 1: be funny. Don't mean everything's funny. So are you ready?
Speaker 1: Maybe gotta take my interview serious? I'm ready, man, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Let me get here, let me get back an interview mote?
Speaker 1: All right? You ready? All right? What so you know
Speaker 1: growing up in the in the hood or the urban communities,
Speaker 1: however you want to address it. A lot of our
Speaker 1: kids come up without being properly trained how to have dreams, goals,
Speaker 1: and how to accomplish them. A lot of us we
Speaker 1: just go through life trying to survive and trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out because no one investing in us that
Speaker 1: we can be anything we want to be. You know,
Speaker 1: some people, you know, certain households, their parents really invest
Speaker 1: in them. They you know, they push them to be great.
Speaker 1: They they're enrolling and all these activities as kids, so
Speaker 1: they don't really have free time to be able to
Speaker 1: run around and do other stuff. So what is something
Speaker 1: that you would some advice that you would give a
Speaker 1: kid about chasing dreams? Great question. I feel like the
Speaker 1: greatest advice is never be afraid to dream, Never be
Speaker 1: afraid to be more than what you are. Never be
Speaker 1: afraid to venture out outside of the walls that have
Speaker 1: us confined to our neighborhoods. When we had our project buildings,
Speaker 1: we had that gate, and in that gate, we never
Speaker 1: thought that there could be life outside of that gate.
Speaker 1: We didn't see a possibility outside of those four corners
Speaker 1: that we called our hood, our block. It was the story,
Speaker 1: it was the school, it was the turf, it was
Speaker 1: the steps, and outside of that, we felt like there
Speaker 1: was nowhere place, no place for us. And the greatest
Speaker 1: thing that my mother did for me was she cultivated
Speaker 1: my mamagination. She allowed me to have an imagination, because
Speaker 1: in order to surpass those walls and those blocks and
Speaker 1: those corners that we come from, the only way that
Speaker 1: we're able to fly over them is through our imagination.
Speaker 1: And my greatest advice to these children, to these kids,
Speaker 1: to parents, to big homies, to anybody that comes from
Speaker 1: our areas, never corrupt a child's imagination. Allow them to
Speaker 1: do that. Like I told a person on Christmas, you
Speaker 1: believe that you know whatever you believe in, Allow that
Speaker 1: child to believe in, saying, allow that girl to have
Speaker 1: her imaginary friend that she talks to, that doll that
Speaker 1: she talks to. Allow that kid to, you know, imagine,
Speaker 1: because sometimes your imagination is the only thing that can
Speaker 1: get you out of those situations. Yeah, because you can
Speaker 1: become so consumed by what your days, the reality of
Speaker 1: what's your reality around you, that you that a dreak
Speaker 1: like something that you would think is poser for you, You
Speaker 1: You would think that your situation like what won't make
Speaker 1: it takes you out of the equation of being able
Speaker 1: to reach those things. But sure, why so serious to that?
Speaker 1: Though I thought you was gonna get over here, I
Speaker 1: got another question of you taking over his own interview
Speaker 1: with you. Why are you He ain't sweating me? Why
Speaker 1: you sweating me? You wouldn't sweating her like this? What's
Speaker 1: the next question? So the next question is right now,
Speaker 1: you along our journey in life, a lot of things
Speaker 1: happened that we may not be ready for. We not
Speaker 1: we may not be willing or ready to take on,
Speaker 1: but we have no choice because it's just what comes
Speaker 1: with our journey and lives. Like, we don't be able
Speaker 1: to pick what's ahead of us, right, we only could
Speaker 1: prepare ourselves to deal with it when we get there.
Speaker 1: I don't like to use the word regret, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, what is one mistake you may have made
Speaker 1: in your rap career that you can explain that may
Speaker 1: give another up and coming rapper some knowledge on what
Speaker 1: maybe he might not want to do when it comes
Speaker 1: to his career that may prevent him from, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe shortening his career, maybe making it take go a
Speaker 1: little slower. Like, what is something What is a mistake
Speaker 1: that you may have made that somebody else may able
Speaker 1: to get something out of. It's the difference between confidence
Speaker 1: and arrogance. Coming up, I've always been confident, right, but
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't understand that there's a difference between confidence
Speaker 1: and arrogance. Arrogance is a it's a thin line between
Speaker 1: being humble and being hubris, and that arrogance is the
Speaker 1: thing that offends people, and you're intentionally slighting someone just
Speaker 1: because you may want them to look at you a
Speaker 1: certain way or you want them to put some certain
Speaker 1: respect on it. And there's no need to do that.
Speaker 1: Like if you're a good person, there's no need to
Speaker 1: treat anyone bad. Right, just because you got money don't
Speaker 1: mean that you need to look down on people. And
Speaker 1: I think in the early stages of my career, I
Speaker 1: allow my arrogance to override my natural confidence because you
Speaker 1: can still be confident and still be a humble individual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was going to have an extra I was
Speaker 1: going to add on to that. Do you think that
Speaker 1: some people be arrogant because personally they don't have they
Speaker 1: they're really not as confident as they think they so
Speaker 1: they really they really try to be macho with they
Speaker 1: not confident. They try to be machi because they because
Speaker 1: conveidens come with like a control. Right, you understand mean
Speaker 1: and it teaches you. I'm confident enough to know that
Speaker 1: when I come in here, I don't have to be arrogant. Right.
Speaker 1: I never thought that I was better than anyone, but
Speaker 1: I knew that I worked harder, and sometimes that can
Speaker 1: activate some people's insecurities and then your arrogance overrides it.
Speaker 1: So now they look at confidence. Is Steph Curry pulling
Speaker 1: up from half court feeling like I can make the
Speaker 1: shot right. Some people would be like, oh, he arrogant.
Speaker 1: He shot it from won't won't Nah. That's just contidents
Speaker 1: because when they asked him, man, why did you shoot
Speaker 1: that shot? And I felt like I could make it right,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Oh I knew I could make it. I
Speaker 1: won't want nah. That arrogance sometimes is a sucker complex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I'm saying you a sucker complex
Speaker 1: where the guys that act Keller tough or the females
Speaker 1: that act Keller most of the girls that be mean
Speaker 1: as hell be real sweethearts. That's their defense mechaniicanism. So
Speaker 1: I allow my arrogance to become a defense mechanism. And
Speaker 1: I offended certain individuals, and I'm thankful that I did
Speaker 1: it because it taught me the lesson because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to know. So, uh, there's no regret to it.
Speaker 1: But it was, Yeah, it was. It was a mistake,
Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, and you learn from it and
Speaker 1: you build on okay, And my last question is this,
Speaker 1: if you had the opportunity to to really be able
Speaker 1: to do an album, or or or participate or or
Speaker 1: do anything musically, would one artist? Who would that artist be?
Speaker 1: And why? Sam Cook? To me, Sam Cook was the
Speaker 1: greatest artist of our time. It wasn't my time, but
Speaker 1: just of that genre of music, soul music. Not only
Speaker 1: was Sam Cook a great artist, he was a brilliant songwriter.
Speaker 1: But something that trump's all of that is at a
Speaker 1: time where black men didn't own their music, where black
Speaker 1: men didn't have anything, the black artists at that time
Speaker 1: would receive pennies. This man owned his own label, He
Speaker 1: owned his own label, he signed his own artists, He
Speaker 1: did a lot of things that was he trumped everyone
Speaker 1: that was around at that time soulful. He was a superstar.
Speaker 1: He was a super duperstar. And I would love to
Speaker 1: do something with Sam Cook. Man like Sam Cook. To me,
Speaker 1: he was the greatest man. But uh, I love your questions,
Speaker 1: I love your seriousness, and I appreciate, but care for
Speaker 1: letting us rock man the air away. That was a
Speaker 1: good question. Let's wrap it up with Let's wrap it
Speaker 1: up man. Listen the next time I see you. I
Speaker 1: need some of these got hey, hey, listen, we got
Speaker 1: we got you on the dope air everything, and we
Speaker 1: would love for you to come up. Man, the next
Speaker 1: time I'm in the bay, I got I'll be out
Speaker 1: there soon. We're gonna do. So what what I've been doing,
Speaker 1: We've been doing these things to just help the artists
Speaker 1: that I'll be out there to watch the Sons eliminate
Speaker 1: you guys in the playoffs. So what mhm, wow, 'm
Speaker 1: gonna catch a game, go watch you know, go watch
Speaker 1: Katie come back. If that's the case, we need to
Speaker 1: take advantage of him coming to see Phoinish lose and
Speaker 1: why are there do something amazing with him, do something.
Speaker 1: It's still to do the watch party at the club.
Speaker 1: Whatever we gotta do, go to the game. I'll be
Speaker 1: super excited to watch you guys losen to the Suns
Speaker 1: in the playoffs this year. I ask your question, do
Speaker 1: you honestly think that Phoenix is gonna like let's talk sports. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: if Katie is, if everyone's health wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait, you're talking about a Phoenix Suns team
Speaker 1: that we're able to reach the semi conference finals. Without
Speaker 1: a KD. So now it's an if KD. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, we just got rid of Cam Johnson and
Speaker 1: Michael Bridges, who were very important parts of that team. Okay, Two,
Speaker 1: if Kevin Durant is healthy, I don't think anyone's gonna
Speaker 1: beat us. You know a little something about putting a
Speaker 1: little extra on top of that a team that was
Speaker 1: already on fire seventy three nine and nine team adding
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, So you know you and I were both
Speaker 1: the same now, Yeah, but the only thing is we
Speaker 1: have all had a ring before him. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: was because Kyrie Irving and Kevin Lover fucked up. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna use because this shout out to Della Dova
Speaker 1: still gave step some Hell, let's just be listen. This
Speaker 1: is just crazy. Yes, we find any way to say
Speaker 1: to take away. We had a ring before KD and
Speaker 1: we have a ring after KD. So now is the
Speaker 1: pressure on? Can I be honest with you? Or the
Speaker 1: most important and best ring you guys won was last
Speaker 1: year's ring. No, that's the best ring you guys ever
Speaker 1: won because there's no there's no caveat or asterisk to
Speaker 1: that ring. So there's an asterisk to our other rings
Speaker 1: because of injuriescuse people weren't able to endure a full
Speaker 1: season and stay healthy. That's our fault. Like I said
Speaker 1: on the court, last year is your most respected ring
Speaker 1: you've got. Can you at least agree on that. I
Speaker 1: love that ring last year? You think it's but do
Speaker 1: you think it's the most And when it comes to integrity,
Speaker 1: nobody could say shit about last year. You guys were
Speaker 1: you guys. Nobody gave you guys a chance. You guys
Speaker 1: won the fucking championship. You played a great Celtics team,
Speaker 1: who are the favorites this year? And there was no
Speaker 1: there was no shenanigans. I love that ring. I loved
Speaker 1: last year's ring. I love the effort collectively that the
Speaker 1: fellas did. We were able to You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's like to have a championship. I know
Speaker 1: that's that sucks. That's I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 1: I never understand this kind of station. But the beauty
Speaker 1: of it is I think the ring that we missed
Speaker 1: out on was the most important to me, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Like the seventy seventy three and nine that was that
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking. It's okay, because you guys added KD to
Speaker 1: that team, and then yeah it was, and then you
Speaker 1: ruined the league for a couple of weeks. Sometimes a
Speaker 1: loss that humbles you is far greater than a win
Speaker 1: that adds to your arrogance. Well, I sure hope that
Speaker 1: we ruined the league for the next few years too,
Speaker 1: with its not gonna happen. Like Chris, Chris Paul's not
Speaker 1: a winner. Here we go. He's never won anything. He
Speaker 1: didn't win at Georgia Tech. He did, He's never won.
Speaker 1: He never won in New Orleans, He's never won in
Speaker 1: LA when he had the greatest duck and mess way
Speaker 1: what Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. It was Ali you
Speaker 1: Central Lop City the greatest though. I mean for that
Speaker 1: time an athletic in his prime, Blake Griffin dunking over anyone.
Speaker 1: All you got to do is throw the ball up
Speaker 1: and you couldn't win. You lose. You come down three
Speaker 1: to one, you lose. That They had bad injury luck, man,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul will forever had bad luck some way except
Speaker 1: this year. Somewhere along life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The only thing that he did us what he did
Speaker 1: and what he did to that woman, and how do
Speaker 1: you feel about how do you feel about? Uh? This
Speaker 1: is are we can we make a prediction that this
Speaker 1: is Draymond's final year with the Warriors. No, you think
Speaker 1: he's staying. I think the Warriors organization know how important,
Speaker 1: They know how important Draymond is. I think he wants
Speaker 1: to go to the Lakers and play with his best
Speaker 1: bud Man. I think he definitely wants to go to
Speaker 1: the Lakers, just based off the fact Rich Paul and
Speaker 1: his whole management agency team, and you know, and and Lebron.
Speaker 1: Him and Lebron are definitely friends. But I would have
Speaker 1: thought that they'd been to be a best friends after
Speaker 1: he nailed him in the nuts and cost him the ring.
Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, who would have thought? And then
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up playing together next year. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be Draymond and Dill and ad know what's weird? Ron?
Speaker 1: If the Warriors don't pay Bob Myers, then Draymond leaves. True.
Speaker 1: If I heard that he might leave, he might go
Speaker 1: to the Lakers. You know, he might go to the
Speaker 1: So if I just can't wait for your dynasty to
Speaker 1: be over, because I have nothing against fans from the
Speaker 1: Bay who are Warrior supporters. But it's these fucking you
Speaker 1: guys are like the new Cowboys fans. It's crazy. Dealing
Speaker 1: with Warriors fans who aren't from the fucking Bay is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it's it's it's like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like John Cena fans. Are you mad? Of course you're
Speaker 1: a fucking John Cena fan. That's your fucking convenience. Are
Speaker 1: you more? Are you mad because there's more Warrior fans
Speaker 1: at the Sun's game? Do you see that that's ten
Speaker 1: years old? But I listen, Is that a Joe Smith
Speaker 1: Jersey buddy? That's Tyron Hill, buddy? Tyron Hill? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, Joe Smith was the same number, right
Speaker 1: most definitely that just lets you know how long ago
Speaker 1: that was. Brother. I didn't say you weren't a real No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying because I just feel like I have
Speaker 1: right to talk about this conversation. Regardless of our our
Speaker 1: dynasty was supposed to be over when we when Steph
Speaker 1: was hurt and we wants I was excited. I was excited.
Speaker 1: So you want to see us lose? For sure? Why
Speaker 1: I fucking hate the Warriors. Man, that's crazy. How did
Speaker 1: the Phoenix US Poenix Suns fan established this much hatred
Speaker 1: for the Warriors? You know why? Because my favorite player
Speaker 1: is that guy right there, the statue, Lebron James. I
Speaker 1: love Lebron. Yeah, I listen. The Sons were like the
Speaker 1: fucking Dan Marley. I love Kevin Johnson. I like Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1: I love Cedric Sabalis. I love Wayman Tisdale. I'm a
Speaker 1: Rayman his wow, best jazz player, Like I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: a real best way Tisdale on the Warriors. No, he
Speaker 1: didn't play for US. He played for the Suns. No,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't on the Warriors for a little beaten
Speaker 1: all right. No, so like he was when he was
Speaker 1: on the Suns. He put out a jazz album. Yeah
Speaker 1: he did. He played the bass. Yeah. Uh. I love
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns love you know. I love with you.
Speaker 1: I love Tom Chambers everything that you got. I can
Speaker 1: never see myself wanting to see a team just deliberately lose.
Speaker 1: I don't. That's where you and I are different. I do.
Speaker 1: I want to see the Warriors. January twenty seventh, and
Speaker 1: you're an Aquarius. How Can this be I'm an Aquarius.
Speaker 1: Where are you act like this? I fucking hate the Warriors.
Speaker 1: It's crazy over We're going to continue to sports show.
Speaker 1: Hey man, Thank you all, brother, I appreciate you. Yes,
Speaker 1: sir real man as always nothing but love Northern California,
Speaker 1: Southern California. Let's continue to keep being able to create
Speaker 1: and show the world man that California's hey man, We're
Speaker 1: one of the most creative places in the world. Let's
Speaker 1: continue to keep working together artists and keep building in
Speaker 1: Central Calix and yes, definitely expensive to live here. Man,
Speaker 1: Unkin fab show going worldwide, man, and I thank you man,
Speaker 1: thank you, appreciate you. There it is