WEBVTT - MJGMB #161: We Inherit the Playoff Beef with Justin Spears

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, well it's playoff time, baby. We got the matchups.

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<v Speaker 1>We're recording this before the playing games, so we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know all the matchups. We do know generally where things

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna fall. Uh, we're gonna talk about that. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about the NBA's top ten plays the Week

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<v Speaker 1>with journalist and radio host Justin Spears on today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jack O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Jabarian from MYUS, and.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Moles and Jack and Jack. We all got

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<v Speaker 1>mad boosts. Yes, dog, sorry, got it? I looka donic kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Ta okay, mb drive me Spinny fatter number eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Drid sic Jord.

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<v Speaker 3>The Celtics are NBA champions over the double team.

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<v Speaker 4>Be honest, where's.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin? Welcome to the show man. Let's roll, baby, let's roll.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a Tucson in Yes, you got here from Tucson.

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<v Speaker 1>I have my note for Tucson Tusonian. Tusonian.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't sound right, Jack, it sounds it's cleaner, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's adding syllables. It's cleaner. I'm going I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>Timberlake on you make it the very Facebook. It's cleaner anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>you are from Tucson. You are a Lakers fan based

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<v Speaker 1>on your T shirt?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, sir, the Los Angeles Lakers, the Los Angeles Lakers.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a diehard Lakers fan. So kind of quick background here.

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<v Speaker 5>My family's originally from Hunting to Beach, California, so I

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<v Speaker 5>come from Orange County. Those are my connections. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>an LA sports fan. But we moved to Tucson when

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<v Speaker 5>I was two years old, so I claimed Tucson. I

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<v Speaker 5>am a Tucsonan or Tusoni and if you're Jack, and

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<v Speaker 5>I love this city. But yes, I am a diehard

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<v Speaker 5>Lakers fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Orange County Onion originally, but yes, all right, Well

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into a bit of a playoff postseason preview.

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<v Speaker 1>But first we got a little we got a little

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<v Speaker 1>business to take care of because there have been some

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<v Speaker 1>upsets a little closer to your current home. The Suns

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<v Speaker 1>have fired coach Bud former Hawks coach, former Bucks coach

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<v Speaker 1>less success in this stop on his journey, so the

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<v Speaker 1>Suns ended up ten games under five hundred. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to highlight something that. So they fired Frank Vogel

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<v Speaker 1>last year after finishing sixteen games over five hundred. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the expectations were heading into this season, was

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<v Speaker 1>that sixteen games over five hundred is unacceptably bad. They

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<v Speaker 1>ended up ten games under five hundred, so twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>games worse than the mark that they viewed as unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>So not a great year for the Suns. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were alone necessarily in coming in

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<v Speaker 1>with much higher expectations than what they ended up at

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<v Speaker 1>this year. I think a lot of people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna be good. They've got Kevin Durant.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard about this guy, Devin Booker, and they were not.

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<v Speaker 1>They were They're pretty midland. What are you guys thoughts?

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<v Speaker 5>So, I think the Phoenix Suns experiment under matt Ishbio

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<v Speaker 5>has been a complete failure. No, I will give him

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<v Speaker 5>some grace here because if you look at the previous

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<v Speaker 5>ownership with Robert Sarver, he was a very frugal man.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a man that did not swing for the fences,

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<v Speaker 5>a man that did not bring these bigger names to Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 5>Did they have some success with Sarver, Sure, but this guy,

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<v Speaker 5>Matt Ishbia comes in and I think, what less than

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<v Speaker 5>a week on the job, he makes the trade for

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<v Speaker 5>Kevin Durant, and so then you're like, okay, who you

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<v Speaker 5>got your superstar? You pair him up with Devin Booker,

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<v Speaker 5>Let's see if they can make magic happen. And then

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<v Speaker 5>he got new owner syndrome. He got a little too crazy,

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<v Speaker 5>and then he decided, well, wait, hold on, if I

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<v Speaker 5>can get Kevin Durant, let me get Bradley Beal and

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<v Speaker 5>let me eat trade for him. Oh wait, he's got

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<v Speaker 5>a no trade clause. It's a big gamble. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 5>He's still Bradley Beal. He's still a bucket. And they

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<v Speaker 5>sold their soul to the devil because they wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>win an NBA Championship, and unfortunately for Phoenix, they gave

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<v Speaker 5>up way too much of their future. Right, they got

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<v Speaker 5>rid of Deandreyden, who was the number one overall pick

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<v Speaker 5>in that trade with Portland. They got rid of Cam Johnson, McHale, Bridges.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like all the pieces that they built up

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<v Speaker 5>to get to the NBA Finals in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>they just got rid of them because they wanted the

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<v Speaker 5>splashy names. And on top of that, those splashy names

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<v Speaker 5>when they don't work out, when they have a no

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<v Speaker 5>trade clause. It makes it so difficult, and they made

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<v Speaker 5>their bed. This is what they had to deal with.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, they tried to make that trade for

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<v Speaker 5>Jimmy Butler, and I remember a lot of people were like,

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<v Speaker 5>but wait, Jimmy Butler's contract, They're going to have to

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<v Speaker 5>give him a ton of money. We'll look how it

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<v Speaker 5>turned out for a team like the Golden State Warriors.

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<v Speaker 5>They're enjoying Jimmy Butler right now. So it's just been

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<v Speaker 5>a colossal disappointment in Phoenix. I feel bad for Devin

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<v Speaker 5>Booker because he's kind of been that franchise player and

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<v Speaker 5>the guy that's been through it all since day one.

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<v Speaker 5>But he definitely deserves better. And I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 5>what's next for Phoenix. I'm not surprised that they fired

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<v Speaker 5>Mike Budenholm but also at the same time, they're about

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<v Speaker 5>to have their fourth head coach in as many seasons,

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<v Speaker 5>and I know the head coach is usually the scapegoat here,

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<v Speaker 5>but you can't pin all of this on Mike Budenholzer.

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<v Speaker 5>But with that being said, the culture was also really

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<v Speaker 5>bad too. They didn't talk to each other during pregame

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<v Speaker 5>warm ups. It just got off the rails so fast.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's so crazy to think that this is also

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<v Speaker 5>the same team that started off the year eight and one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're like.

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<v Speaker 5>One of three teams, They're one of three teams in

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<v Speaker 5>NBA history to start the season eight to one and

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<v Speaker 5>not make the playoffs. So it was just a disappointment,

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<v Speaker 5>a colossal failure, like I said, and I think that

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<v Speaker 5>this will probably go down as the most disappointing season

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<v Speaker 5>in Phoenix Sun's history. And what's also so crazy too,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'll just wrap it up here, is it's not

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<v Speaker 5>like Kevin Durant played bad. Like Kevin Durant still played

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<v Speaker 5>at an all star level and still showed that he's

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<v Speaker 5>still one of the premier players in this league. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just the Phoenix Suns right now. They need to hit

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<v Speaker 5>the reset button. They need to blow this whole thing up.

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<v Speaker 5>And that could also meet trading Devin Booker away.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't selling your soul to the devil. Usually like get

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<v Speaker 1>you something good, don't get positive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, usually get a championship.

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<v Speaker 5>Like for instance, I'm a big football guy, right, like

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<v Speaker 5>I look at what the La Rams did, the Kroankey family,

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<v Speaker 5>making all those trades.

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<v Speaker 4>They got a Super Bowl out of the deal. They're

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<v Speaker 4>okay with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Teams do that to sacrifice for that one championship in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 5>being a desperate franchise that they are, team that's just

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<v Speaker 5>hungry for a championship. Matt Ishbia came in thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a mover and shaker. I'm going to come in

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<v Speaker 5>and make these deals and we're going to get this

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<v Speaker 5>thing popping. And it completely blew up in their face

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<v Speaker 5>and we'll see if Matt Ishbia can learn from his mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely felt like a kid with a credit card situation,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, where you get your first

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<v Speaker 3>credit card. You know you're trying to be responsible at first,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you pull off that KD deal that's incredible,

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<v Speaker 3>but then you start going.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, I've got a month, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you max it out on a foolish, foolish field situation.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not going to call it a purchase, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>given the ever speaking about athletes, but you know you

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<v Speaker 3>purchased that contract and it didn't quite work out. Just

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<v Speaker 3>quickly before you get off of this jack, I'm interested

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<v Speaker 3>in justin you said it might end up in them

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<v Speaker 3>trading Devin Booker, what's your gut tell you, given you

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<v Speaker 3>know you're here in the state, you're you're talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the fans, you're talking to I'm sure you know you

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<v Speaker 3>people that are surrounding the surrounding new organization, what's your

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<v Speaker 3>gut tell you?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the Phoenix Suns right now, I feel like are

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<v Speaker 5>in in the fork of the road right here now,

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<v Speaker 5>because what's Kevin Durant going to do well?

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<v Speaker 4>First and foremost, what are they going to do as

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<v Speaker 4>head coach? Who are they hiring?

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like this hire could be very important for

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<v Speaker 5>Phoenix's future because let's say it's a guy that Kevin

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<v Speaker 5>Durant does not want, well, do you trade kd to

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<v Speaker 5>a place like Dallas and pair him up with Kyrie

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<v Speaker 5>Irving and Anthony Davis? Do you maybe send him to

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<v Speaker 5>Dare I say Oklahoma City?

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<v Speaker 4>I would?

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<v Speaker 5>I love the idea with all the picks that they have,

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<v Speaker 5>like the Phoenix Suns saying, you know what, let's hit

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<v Speaker 5>the reset button, Let's get some picks back, Let's get

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<v Speaker 5>a bright future. And Kevin Durant doesn't really have a

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<v Speaker 5>home right when you think about his his NBA tenure, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>which team could really grab on to Kevin Durant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he won two championships, but he also joined the dynasty

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<v Speaker 5>that was already there with the Splash Brothers and Draymond Green.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think it'd be cool to see Kevin.

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<v Speaker 5>Durant maybe go back to Oklahoma City and be paired

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<v Speaker 5>up with those superstars and what they got going on here.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, Devin Booker could also get into a

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<v Speaker 5>position now where he's like, Okay, I'm in the prime

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<v Speaker 5>of my career right now, I'm playing at an all

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<v Speaker 5>star level. Do I really want to go through the

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<v Speaker 5>rebuild again? I was already a part of the rebuild

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<v Speaker 5>as an early player.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to go through this again.

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<v Speaker 5>Get me to another situation to where I could be

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<v Speaker 5>Devin Booker and we could be contending for championships. So

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like this is probably going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>very important summer for the Phoenix Suns, and it could

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<v Speaker 5>determine are they going to run it back with the

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<v Speaker 5>couple superstars that they have, or are they going to

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<v Speaker 5>blow this whole thing up and start from scratch.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a bum. I mean, Dallas kind

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<v Speaker 1>of makes sense to me they need to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as far as Oka see and I've also

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<v Speaker 1>heard Houston tossed around as potential KD destinations, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if OKAC goes out in the second round again,

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<v Speaker 1>like then I feel like you might see them think about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we need like somebody who's just a walking bucket or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But uh, you know, if they make

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<v Speaker 1>it to the finals or win the championship, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a strange move.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I ask you guys this though, What do you

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<v Speaker 5>guys think about just the whole coaching situation around Kevin

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<v Speaker 5>Durant over the last few years, because if you look

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<v Speaker 5>at the trend, he's gotten coaches fired.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what do you guys make of that?

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<v Speaker 5>Because you know, I do think that Kevin Durant is

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<v Speaker 5>an incredible player, but also at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there is that narrative that he's kind of chasing off coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It feels like he

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<v Speaker 1>has also been given some input into the team that

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<v Speaker 1>gets built around him because he keeps ending up in

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<v Speaker 1>these situations that are I feel like an older model

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<v Speaker 1>of team that's like superstar based and you know, maxed

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<v Speaker 1>out at the top and then like they just don't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough depth to compete. So I kind of blame

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<v Speaker 1>that more than anything heavy to do with the coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>although like I just don't know enough to know, like

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<v Speaker 1>are they asking him before they make those decisions about

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<v Speaker 1>like who to hire and then who to fire? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean I certainly don't think they made smart decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't. I don't think it was smart to

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<v Speaker 1>fire bobul after last year. But you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Phoenix has been burning through coaches since before Katie got there,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, sure, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, just really quickly on that, I will just say

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<v Speaker 3>six or seven years ago, I remember Katie saying that

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<v Speaker 3>he understood why people wouldn't necessarily want to play with

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<v Speaker 3>or alongside Lebron because it's a toxic environment. Regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>whether Phoenix has done you know, like you know, was

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<v Speaker 3>already in this spiral before him. He himself has been

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<v Speaker 3>in four different situations with three or four different situations

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<v Speaker 3>and had a new coach or multiple coaches you know,

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<v Speaker 3>at at each stop. I'm at a certain point I

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<v Speaker 3>do wonder how long the juice will be worth the squeeze.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, but I love Katie, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to time player legs nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>If you if you were to say, like, hey, if

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<v Speaker 3>the Lakers could foolishly swing for the fences and get him,

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<v Speaker 3>I would foolishly tell you, yeah, go ahead and do

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<v Speaker 3>it in the off season, because yes, but you know it,

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<v Speaker 3>one of.

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<v Speaker 4>The greatest, one of the greatest scorers of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Man all right, well, uh, New Orleans got rid of

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<v Speaker 1>David Griffin seven years of you know, relative futility. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, very pretty recently, everybody was like the futures

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<v Speaker 1>bright for this team. So I mean, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>bominable season this year due to health reasons and just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things not not coming together. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I don't have too much on that one. I

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<v Speaker 1>do just want to keep talking about the Luca trade

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of my life, so if you can

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<v Speaker 1>move on to that, But anything you guys want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about with the Pels.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the feeling that Zion is gone this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the feeling that they're gonna go ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>press reset and try to, you know, try to start over.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see him in like Miami or

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those places that you know puts an

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on conditioning and uh, you know health. That could

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<v Speaker 1>be fun, all right. Dallas reportedly held an invite only

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<v Speaker 1>no recording devices allowed press conference with a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>selected journalists. Today. I still am like trying to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>my header around the Luca trade. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I really need This is just my plea journalists out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I need someone to write a book on this trade,

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<v Speaker 1>like an entire book on the decision and how it

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<v Speaker 1>came about, because like there's been reporting now that you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, when when the trade was first announced, Nico's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on me, and people took that to be like

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<v Speaker 1>so it was just like he was the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who knew, because otherwise it doesn't make sense that anybody

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<v Speaker 1>heard that and didn't like throw their body in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But now it seems like the whole like

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<v Speaker 1>people in the organization knew for at least an hour

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<v Speaker 1>before it was announced, like they they knew that this

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. There's this there's a book called The Wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>of Crowds that spends like a whole section on the

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<v Speaker 1>Challenger decision. Like the you know NASA Disasters launch and

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<v Speaker 1>like how that because they actually like knew it was

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<v Speaker 1>very possible, Like they knew there was a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the O rings, which was exactly what caused the explosion,

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<v Speaker 1>And there were people inside the organization being like, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you talking about? We absolutely can't launch today, and

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<v Speaker 1>like they just got overruled, and it's a fascinating read,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I need somebody to do that shoe leather reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on just like what happened here, because I still like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally we were before you got on, Justin. We were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about our best guess as to what happened, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was speculating either like a liar liar style birthday

0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.280
<v Speaker 1>wish that actually you know, like a child in the

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles area, just being like I wish Luca was

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<v Speaker 1>a Laker like on that day and it just like

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<v Speaker 1>came true. Or you know, Jabari has long health that

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<v Speaker 1>but you want to give your theory, well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when Justin said soldiers sold to the Devil, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, wait a second, what that? Like I had

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<v Speaker 3>just mentioned this to Jack that I jokingly said that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know doctor Bust, the late great doctor Bush must

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<v Speaker 3>have sold sold his soul to the devil simply because

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<v Speaker 3>of all of the different ways. We have been very

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<v Speaker 3>fortunate since the eighties, and you know from from the

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<v Speaker 3>eighties and on, UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And that would have been worth it. That would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a good purchase, one soul for the type of

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<v Speaker 1>success that the Lakers have had over the past four decades. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a good purchase. I don't put it past

0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Matt Ishbia to have sold his soul for UH for

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<v Speaker 1>the This Sun's team.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, yeah, my conspiracy theory is that Dallas

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<v Speaker 5>has their site set on relocating, getting out of Dallas

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<v Speaker 5>and going to Las Vegas. Yeah, I would love to

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<v Speaker 5>see the NBA back in Las Vegas. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 5>see the NBA, the NBA back in Seattle. I've always

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<v Speaker 5>said those two markets. Put teams there. Get the Pelicans

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<v Speaker 5>out of the freaking Western Conference, get the Grizzlies out

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<v Speaker 5>of the Western Conference. Like and when you talk about

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<v Speaker 5>like those parts of the country, they all are. They

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<v Speaker 5>have they have colleges that are in the SEC. Do

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<v Speaker 5>you know what the East stands for an SEC? Eastern

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<v Speaker 5>It's a southeastern part of the United States. So gets

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<v Speaker 5>get New Orleans, put them in the Eastern Conference. Put

0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.360
<v Speaker 5>Minnesota in the Eastern Conference. We need teams in Seattle

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<v Speaker 5>in Las Vegas. And I think my conspiracy theory that

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<v Speaker 5>the Dallas Mavericks are completely tanking everything because they want

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<v Speaker 5>to get.

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<v Speaker 4>To Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 5>And honestly, I just think that this is one of

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<v Speaker 5>the most dumbest trades I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Ever seen in NBA history.

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<v Speaker 5>And what's so crazy is like the other side of

0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.719
<v Speaker 5>this trade is Anthony Davis, like an all time defensive player,

0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.479
<v Speaker 5>like an all time great. But it goes to show

0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.480
<v Speaker 5>how stupid it is for the Mavericks to make this trade.

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<v Speaker 5>And not only is it stupid for them to trade

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<v Speaker 5>away twenty five year old Luka Doncs, but the fact that, like,

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.080
<v Speaker 5>you didn't even shop him around. You just have this

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<v Speaker 5>backboard deal with the Lakers, with the Lakers of all teams, right,

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<v Speaker 5>It's not like you traded him to like the Knicks

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<v Speaker 5>or some other Ringdom team. You traded him to the Lakers,

0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 5>where before that trade man their future looked dark in

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<v Speaker 5>the post Lebron era, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we got some good Dodges.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a Lakers fan saying this. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the truth as only a Lakers fan can be

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<v Speaker 1>that that infuriating, like can you believe? How can you believe?

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<v Speaker 1>But like Dallas is so the top media markets in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, New York's won, LA's two, Chicago's three,

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Fort Worth is number four, it would be by

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<v Speaker 1>far the biggest media market to not have an NBA team,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the next would be I guess Tampa at number eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean they can root for the Heat, so

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle's at number thirteen. But yeah, I mean, Dallas is

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<v Speaker 1>a massive media market. It doesn't make sense to not

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<v Speaker 1>have an NBA team there.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why, to be honest with you, I think

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<v Speaker 3>if the NBA ever approved them moving them to Vegas,

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<v Speaker 3>it would come with an expansion franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, I don't know if any any of

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<v Speaker 3>you it's going to take place. But you know, to

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<v Speaker 3>that point, I don't think they're going to be just

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<v Speaker 3>vacating the Dallas market simply because as you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these owners don't seem they want don't seem to want

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<v Speaker 3>to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about the top ten plays of the year

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<v Speaker 1>and take a look at some matchups and just overall

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.680
<v Speaker 1>predictions any any of these teams that we think are

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<v Speaker 1>going to do better worse than what people are expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back and we're back, and the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>just released I saw it on Twitter, the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>plays of the year, and some of them more than

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<v Speaker 1>one play. At number one, we have an entire sequence

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.240
<v Speaker 1>that you guys aren't gonna love, but I think they

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<v Speaker 1>did a good job. They've got Jaws double three sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>which that was the crazy first thing I was checking for.

0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Was like, he hasn't done that in a game since, right,

0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It was just that one game where he just decided

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<v Speaker 1>ate up a shot that nobody had ever done.

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Before, situational like greatness.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he could just do.

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 1>It, improvised that and was like, I'm doing that tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have both of those. At number two, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple of like monster dunks on people. So

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<v Speaker 1>they have Jaws double three sixties at one spot, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they have Jokic going full court taking up two

0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.200
<v Speaker 1>separate uh so, two full court shots from Jokic. They've

0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.840
<v Speaker 1>got Trey's game winner. And then at number one. They

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<v Speaker 1>have the whole final sequence of that Bulls versus Lakers

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.560
<v Speaker 1>game where the Lakers are up by five inbounding the

0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:42.679
<v Speaker 1>ball under the Bulls basket. Yeah, with the ball in

0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in the hands of the basketball computer. Greatest decision maker

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of all time. I will say, Brian the editor made

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.439
<v Speaker 1>a really good point. They did miss that Jokic pass

0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 1>where it just like passed. He just flicked it over

0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>his shoulder from the top of the three point line

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and brook Lopez was it just oh maybe, well somebody

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.800
<v Speaker 1>was in between and just was looked ridiculous, Like yeah,

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they were like, I'd say that would be my big omission.

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<v Speaker 1>But overall, a fun look back at the year. Any

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<v Speaker 1>any plays to jump out at you guys or anything

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<v Speaker 1>you think they should have given a spot too.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I definitely want to double down on that Jokic pass.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I have some some buddies who are

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 5>Denver Nuggets fans, and they are pretty much like, yeah,

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 5>Jo Jokic does that, like on a nightly basis. He

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.720
<v Speaker 5>does that all the time. It's just a lot of

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 5>those passes don't get shown. And I'm like, I don't know, man,

0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't I've never seen a pass like that. Like

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 5>Jokic is, in my opinion, the best passing big man

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 5>of all time. He's definitely carving out a legacy that

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.439
<v Speaker 5>will go down as one of the all time greats.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, honestly, that Jokic pass, I'm glad you brought

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 5>that up because that was one of the craziest plays

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 5>I've seen all year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a blast. They have a dime from

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the players in the Warriors where he saves

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>it as as he's running out of bounds and like

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.239
<v Speaker 1>saves it behind his back all the way down the

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 1>court to a streaking teammate who dunks it. That's I think,

0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I forget who it is. But they also have right

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>up there with the two jaw three sixties, they have

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 1>that Steph kind of spinning between two players and then

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 1>like kind of throwing it in off balance, like falling

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>from the wing, and it's just like a weird direction.

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>That Again, the analysis that I saw of Steph early

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.880
<v Speaker 1>on where someone said Steph's got a demon that's all

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 1>still still jumps out to me. This is this is

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the podcast where we just give supernatural explanations to NBA success.

0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 1>But that Jokic pass just like sometimes when he's as passes,

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 1>like the ball seems to move like slower, like in

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.560
<v Speaker 1>slow motion, but like the players just like can't catch

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>up to it, and so it's really strange. So here's

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.879
<v Speaker 1>what we know. We don't know the playans. We know,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 1>okay season the one seed, and we're feeling pretty good

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:21.680
<v Speaker 1>about them against any eight seed. The Rockets are number two.

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 1>They are being People are expecting Golden State to win

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 1>their playing game, and I think people are kind of

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>penciling in Golden State to beat Houston or that's kind

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>of the energy that I'm picking up. That is just

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad matchup, and the main thing people are pointing to,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is just Houston's inexperienced in the postseason. I

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 1>feel like, I don't know, the past few postseasons, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a couple teams who we discounted because for that

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>reason because they lacked experience, like Minnesota last year, I

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 1>think Men the year before. I still do think Golden

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>State probably beats them in a series if the Warriors

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>win in the play in, but I think it's because

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>like both Memphis and Minnesota in those series had somebody

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>who could get a bucket at the end of the game,

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>which you need, and I feel like Houston doesn't have that,

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<v Speaker 1>so that that would probably be the reason that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see them having a lot of success in the

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<v Speaker 1>postseason at this stage. But I also wouldn't be shocked

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>if they just like, you know, one by ten, like

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>four times against Golden State, not like a sweep, but

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you just win by enough and play

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>crazy enough defense like they've been known to do, then

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if you can't get a bucket at

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>the in the last second. But what are you guys

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on Houston's postseason prospects?

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.439
<v Speaker 5>Man very young, and like you said, they're inexperienced. They

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 5>don't have the playoff experience, but they do have a

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 5>really good coach that's also been at this level two

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 5>in Emo Doka. So I think Emo Dooka in his

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 5>second act in the NBA after that whole mess with Boston,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 5>it's been it's been really fun to watch.

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 4>I really like this Houston Rockets.

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 5>I like the young talent they have, but they kind

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 5>of give me the Oklahoma City vibes from two thousand

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 5>and seven, two thousand and eight, where it's like, they

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 5>got the talent, they have a good coach, but maybe

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 5>just give them another year to let them add some

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.880
<v Speaker 5>more pieces and then they'll be in this position.

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 4>I think they've drafted well.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 5>I give their front office a ton of credit with

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.640
<v Speaker 5>the young players that they've added. But now you're going

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 5>up against a franchise that has the same coach, the

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 5>same star player, and his and his kind of right

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 5>hand buddy outside of Clay Thompson and Draymond Green, and

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.439
<v Speaker 5>then you add in the ultimate competitor that is Jimmy Butler.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 5>And Jimmy Butler at the trade deadline, he was kind

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 5>of viewed as a toxic character, right, like, who, who are?

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 5>What team is going to add a player like Jimmy

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 5>Butler for how he treated Miami in the ending stages

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 5>of his career there and then you got to give

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 5>him that crazy contract. Well, ever since the Golden State

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 5>Warriors have added Jimmy Butler, I've had one of the

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 5>better records in the NBA and we are talking about

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 5>them at Jabari. We talked about how the Lakers are

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 5>so damn lucky. I mean, the Lakers are like one

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 5>basket away from playing against the Golden State Warriors in

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 5>this three to six matchup. So I'm counting my Lucky

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 5>Stars as a Lakers guy that they don't got to

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 5>play Golden State in that first round. This is a

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 5>team that is a dynasty, that's probably on the tail

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.120
<v Speaker 5>end of their run, but they've got the championship pedigree,

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 5>and that's why I'm probably gonna go with the Golden

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 5>State in six.

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Look, just to echo this, and I mentioned this

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 3>to Jack before the show, Golden State's one team I

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 3>actually didn't want to face, especially in a first round,

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 3>you know matchup. I don't want to see a fresh Steff,

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.919
<v Speaker 3>a fresh and hungry Jimmy and all of those guys

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 3>executing like crazy in a first round, first round matchup.

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>I think Houston can make it interesting, but it's tough

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 3>and it sucks because Houston fought, you know, fought all year.

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>They earned that, you know that, you know, that second seed,

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 3>and you know, for their troubles, it could very well

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 3>wind up being, you know, a little bit of a

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 3>first round buzz saw.

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll see, but you know, who knows if Golden State.

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Golden State has been able to lose the inexplicable games

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that they should have wanted to win.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, if Harrison, if Harrison Barnes doesn't hit that

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 3>game winner with a depleted Spurgers team down the stretch

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 3>of the season, you know, it's a different conversation.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, Lakers, Wolves, you guys, I'm pretty sure I

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>know who you're taking. So Minnesota makes it through to

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the second round and then Clippers Nuggets. Clippers are the

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 1>hottest team in the NBA right now. They're fifteen and

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>two to finish the season. Something I always talk about

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>is like two years ago, you know, Kawhi for one

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>playoff game, the best player in the NBA, and then

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.719
<v Speaker 1>he got hurt. And for the past two years, everybody,

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody's just been like, yeah, Chhile'll never not be hurt.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's been true for the past couple of years.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:16.239
<v Speaker 1>But he's looking strong. Harden is looking good. I don't know,

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I could see the Clippers making making some noise and

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>upsetting some Lakers fans along the way. Well we'll see.

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>But what are you guys' thoughts on the Nuggets Clippers.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 5>I do want to give credit where credit is due.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 5>James Harden has played seventy nine games this season, right

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 5>like James Harden was a guy that wasn't playing nearly

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 5>that many games, and he's he's been around and he's

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 5>been effective as not only a score averaging just under

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 5>twenty three points per game, but I think he's averaging

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 5>like nearly nine a sis per game two. So James Harden,

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 5>like you said, Jackie, he's playing some really good basketball

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 5>right now. I just feel bad for our guy, Lakers legend,

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 5>even because Zubats, because he's got to go up against

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 5>that best of luck brother.

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 4>I think that the Denver Nuggets. I think Clippers don't

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 4>make it interesting.

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 5>They might win a game or two, but I think

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 5>the the Nuggets will figure it out.

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Been so good.

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So you're saying Nuggets in five or six.

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 4>I'll say Nuggets in about five or six.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, I thought I was gonna be the I

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 3>thought I was gonna be the only one because as

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 3>as well as the Clippers have played, and I'm not

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 3>gonna take anything away from them, not even gonna do

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 3>the little brother thing. They have played well, and to

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 3>be honest with you, I don't want to face him

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>in the first round either. I still think they don't

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 3>have any answer whatsoever for you and as well as

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 3>as Zubac has been playing, and he has been playing well,

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I think over the course of the series, you know, yeah,

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 3>that damn Terminator is gonna wear him down.

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Turk because I have heard Kawhi described as

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>a terminator too. Terminator was Terminator versus Terminators Terminator to

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Judgment Day, and that's one of the best movies of

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>all time. So I think either way, all we're talking

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>about is there's gonna be a great season here, all right.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Any team in the West that you guys think is

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>going to make a deeper run than people are expecting.

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 5>Oh man, deeper run than people are expecting. I mean,

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 5>I would say the Lakers, but I feel like the

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 5>Lakers are expected to represent the West in the NBA Finals.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 5>I think that this is the year of the Lakers.

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 5>And I know I'm biased, but I look at the

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 5>the addition of Luca, I look at how that's matched

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 5>up with Lebron. I did have some concerns with the

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 5>front court, with guys like like Jackson Hayes and others,

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 5>and that could be a concern later on in the postseason,

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 5>but they've actually performed better than I thought. I'm curious

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 5>to see how ruy Achimora plays in this postseason with

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 5>the front court matchups they got. But yeah, yeah, I'll

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 5>probably say the the Lakers, and probably the Nuggets. Just

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they're the number four seed, They've won a

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 5>championship before in a seven game series. It's tough to

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 5>bet against Yokid. So I'd say probably the West. I

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 5>go with with Denver or the Lakers.

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Dang, all right, just piggyback.

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 3>You know where I stand on the Lakers. I think

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 3>that they can and probably will make a deep run.

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 3>But if they don't, the wild my wildcard for this

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 3>postseason is still going to be the Golden State Warriors.

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>I think if the Warriors, you know, you get that

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>seven and they beat Houston, guess I recognize where that

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 3>would line them up next. I think a hot Warriors

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>team is the team that I just would personally like

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to avoid.

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense, And out Yeast is basically I mean,

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>so on this podcast, we support the League versus Celtics

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is kind of how I think about it. But I

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>do think it's probably gonna be the Celtics again coming

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>out of the East. Well, what do we think anybody

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>able to make me feel better and say that there's

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>another team that has a good shot. I mean, I

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>guess the Cavs would be the obvious one. Sixty four

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and eighteen, you know, best offensive rating in the in

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the league this year. But do you guys think they

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>have legit shot at beating the Celtics. I think they do.

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 5>I do think that, you know, we're talking about conspiracy

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 5>theories earlier. I think that this crazy Luca trade is

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 5>just pairing up Lakers versus Celtics, the old classic rivalry

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 5>in the in the NBA Championship. But I think, honestly,

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 5>outside of Boston, the one team that I think could

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 5>really go far and maybe even get to the NBA

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 5>Finals the Milwaukee Bucks at the number five spot. Now,

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 5>I know Dame dealing with with his whole thing, like

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 5>that's that's a tremendous loss, right that, Like, that's that's.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 4>A big time there.

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 5>But you still got Giannis as one of the top

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 5>big men in basketball right now. I still think that

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 5>the Bucks they have that that championship pedigree. I still

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 5>think they can't go far. I'm curious to see how

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 5>that matchup's gonna go with Indiana and a team that

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't think is going to say go far, like

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 5>go to the NBA Finals, but I could see them

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 5>winning a playoff series. About those Detroit Pistons turn things around. Man,

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 5>They're playing against the Knicks, and you know, Tom Thibodeau is,

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, solid coach. I love the Knicks and the

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 5>pieces that they have, But the Detroit Pistons have been

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 5>one of my favorite stories in the NBA this season.

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 5>This was a team that was riding one of the worst,

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 5>if not the worst, losing streaks and NBA history. Like

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 5>they were telling fans, hey, if the Pistons win, we're

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 5>giving you free food, and then they proceeded to drop

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 5>twenty eight straight games like that is the ultimate tease.

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 5>But hey, great marketing for whatever food the company that was.

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 5>But the Pistons, they're turnaround. Cade Cunningham, I like this

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 5>team a lot, and I think, honestly, this is kind

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 5>of like a just the beginning stages for them. I

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 5>think over the next couple of years they're going to

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 5>add some pieces and we're going to see the Pistons

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 5>back to being a force in the East.

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm right there with you with Detroit. I think they're

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>going to be solid. I don't necessarily know that it's

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 3>going to happen this year, but you know, to your point,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 3>shout out to Cad, Shout out to Jamie Bickerstaff, former

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Coach of the Year. You know, he goes there and

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>absolutely turns things around, and then you know, very first year, Jentle.

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Have been back. Look for him if he hadn't. You know,

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the Calves had a huge turnaround after he left there,

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>but then he turned it around, So you know, it's

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a statement about who was coaching Detroit

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 1>last year.

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 3>So shout out to MONI, shout out legend at the

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Bank Jack to ask your question just directly. The team

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 3>that I hope comes out is the Calves. The team

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 3>I think is going to come out is the Celtics.

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 3>The team I really want to come out deep down

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.399
<v Speaker 3>inside is exactly where where Justin just went.

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I want the Bucks. I want.

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, Giannis over the last fifteen to twenty games

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 3>has been absolutely incredible. I don't know if if you

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 3>guys had a chance to watch a lot of Bucks,

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.720
<v Speaker 3>you know action I did. He is truly an offensive

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 3>hub in a way that we haven't seen him before.

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Double digit assists if I'm not mistaken, almost averaging that

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 3>over the last like fifteen or so games, and the

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 3>word on the street is today they may actually be

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 3>back during this series.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>So while I.

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Don't, I don't want them to like just like throw

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 3>everything on him when he gets back. Look if they

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 3>could find a way to get through this first round

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 3>matchup and Dame gets going and Giannis is still playing

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 3>the way that he's you know, dominant on both sides

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 3>of the ball, even though Doc Rivers is their coach,

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a possibility.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Even though do we think we're past the era of

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>best player? Whoever has the best player, you're gonna just

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>inherently you should put your money on that team because

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that that feels like where we're going in a lot

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>of these But it also feels like that hasn't always

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>been the case in the past few years. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that things have changed or you still think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good rule of thumb for the postseason?

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<v Speaker 5>I think that things have changed, Like I'm not gonna

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 5>bet against Lebron James in a seven game series, right

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.280
<v Speaker 5>or some of these other elite players like Nikola Jokic

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 5>or some of the best but You know, if if

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 5>you look at the past chanceapions, it kind of reminds

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 5>me a little bit of the college basketball model. Right

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 5>Like when John Calipari at Kentucky, he tried to load

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 5>his team with all of these one and dons, and

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 5>he thought that that was the formula to win in

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 5>a championship. Meanwhile, you had Villanova all these other teams

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 5>that prioritized veteran players and mature players and experienced guys

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 5>that you could rely on in the tournament. And they

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.839
<v Speaker 5>were players that were with programs for several years. They

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 5>built up that championship culture brick by brick. You look

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 5>at the Boston Celtics. I mean, how many times have

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 5>they been deep into the playoffs. Heck, they were in

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 5>the NBA Finals and lost to the Golden State Warriors.

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 5>But they didn't going back to our point year with

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 5>the selling are sold to the Devil, they didn't trade

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 5>away all of those pieces. They continue to develop them

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 5>and got them better, and eventually they were able to

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 5>break through and win an NBA championship. The Golden State

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 5>Warriors in their dynasty, yeah, they added Kevin Durant during

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 5>those couple of years, but for the most are all

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 5>of those guys on that team. We're all homegrown players,

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 5>guys that were drafted and selected by the Golden State Warriors.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 4>So I think there's something.

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 5>To be said about having a culture and developing a

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.320
<v Speaker 5>championship team over time, and I feel like you're starting

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 5>to see that with teams like Oklahoma City and Houston

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 5>and some of these others in the NBA. So it

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 5>definitely helps having a premier superstar player on your team,

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 5>a guy that is one of the faces of the league.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 5>But I think having that depth and having a good roster,

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, having a good rotation, I think that's definitely valuable,

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 5>and we've seen in recent years that that matters.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 3>And just to add to that, I think it I

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 3>think it's specifically the way the game is played now.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, more more motion, more.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Ball movement, more body movement, less one on one isolation,

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 3>less like of just like either one on one isolation

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 3>or like two man action. You know, more complex, you know,

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.760
<v Speaker 3>more complex schemes, and all of a sudden, While yes,

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 3>you still want to have the best player in the series,

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's as much of an impact,

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>especially if it's relatively close around you know, around those

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 3>play around that player.

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. Well,

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 1>come back and we will do the rapid fire round

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:21.800
<v Speaker 1>of questioning, the fastest, nastiest segment in basketball podcasting, and

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back and we're back in. Justin, justin, Justin,

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know you have all right? Should we just

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>scrap this part? Actually? I there's no way, no way

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>this guy's ready uh for for this. Uh. This is

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the rapid fire round of questioning. Uh, you've just wandered

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>into the shooting gallery. Uh. There there's gonna be bullets

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>pinging around, whizzing past your ear and do it.

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna want to get in an athletic position

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and and just be ready. We're gonna be firing some

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>questions at you, uh, and you're just gonna fire them back.

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna keep this ball moving. We're gonna keep the

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>ball fizzing around the perimeter. Do you think you're ready?

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Let's do it.

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I'll just just note if you delay or allow one

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 3>of us to delay in between, we will be rude

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 3>to you. We will because you are getting an EP

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:26.280
<v Speaker 3>credit on this particular episode.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So get this together.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let me lock in you ready, Let's do it.

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Brian, start the clock. My kids are in the next

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>room and they think I'm verbally abusing somebody. All right, Uh, Jabari,

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>why don't.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 4>You kick us off?

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 3>More dominant player Jokic back in Shacks era or Shack

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 3>in this current era.

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 5>Yokic back in shacks era. Oh, Yokic's game is transcendent.

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 5>It could be in any era at any time. Give

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:58.800
<v Speaker 5>me Yokic.

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>All right. We have a new king of top selling

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>NBA jerseys. I want you to guess who it is.

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>But Yama incorrect, sir, top five, although he's so he's

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>at he's at number six, And that did make me want, like,

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't see a lot of Webb Yama jerseys in

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the wild. Yeah, a long name, and you need to like,

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it only makes sense on a skinny,

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 1>like tall person, you know, like it like I feel

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>like it works better? Yeah, yeah, yeah for the full name.

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>This one changed mid season. I'll say justin new leader

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:45.760
<v Speaker 1>mid season, new.

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 4>Leader mid season.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's go with Luca, you got it? And any of

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>these So Luca number one, Steph number two, Lebron number three,

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Jason Tate the number four. That one surprised me a

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I don't see a lot of Jason Taylor.

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just maybe it's just because when you moved

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to Boston, they just give you one of those just yeah.

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like at the airport in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, you

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 2>get at the airport there, you just get a Tatum Jersey.

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Hey put this on.

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Brunson number five, WEMBM six, Anthony Edwards seven, Jaw

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>number eight, Shade number nine, Yokic ten, Yannis eleven, LaMelo

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Ball at number twelve, then KD. Booker thirteen, fourteen, then

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Brown at fifteen, and any that jump out to you,

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.720
<v Speaker 1>guys's surprising any that you thought would be there that aren't.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, well you brought up LaMelo Ball.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 5>And the first thing I thought of was so last

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 5>summer I was at a basketball camp for kids, and

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 5>I asked all the kids there, like, all right, guys,

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 5>So when I say, mellow, who do you guys think

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about? Every single one of them said LaMelo Ball.

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<v Speaker 5>And it made me feel so old because I'm like,

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:05.439
<v Speaker 5>Carmel Anthony is.

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Not old, right, and he is.

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 4>The real mellow. He is the real mellow.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 5>As far as you didn't mention Kawhi Leonard, did you? No,

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 5>Kawhi is not interesting because I feel like that would

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 5>be up there, like he's still a big time player, right,

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 5>but maybe he's so boring that nobody wants to buy

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 5>his jersey or it's James Harden or Kyrie Irving.

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's team dependent, Like I bet Kawhi was

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>there when he was with the Raptors, but like now,

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like not a lot of not a

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of Clippers jerseys out there, even in the Greater

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles area.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 3>It's because the thirty thousand Clippers fans have already bought

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>one prior to now, so then stets.

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's also another one.

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm surprised because US Lakers fans, we love this guy,

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 5>Austin Reeves.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought you thought he'd crack the top fifteen.

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 4>I thought like he'd be.

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 5>One of those sneaky guys that just got up there

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 5>because he's a fan favorite.

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 3>Let them make a deep run with him playing well

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 3>this year, I bet you he'll jump in that time,

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 3>like somewhere in that range of fifteen to twenty. Yeah,

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 3>all right, keeping to going really quickly, Lakers trivia for

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 3>you all time franchise leader in rebounds?

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you think is that leader?

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 5>For the last oh man, it's it's probably somebody obscire

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 5>like George Miken.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>It is not. It is not. I chose this for

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 2>a specific reason.

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 4>Will Chamberlain.

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>He is number five because this is Lakers.

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 1>That they got. This is rebounds they got while playing

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>for the Wall playing Withers.

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 5>Okay, is it not Pau Gasol, No, it's not Shaquille O'Neill.

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>It is not. He is number six.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 4>Not Kareem's number two?

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Two?

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness, lamar odom is it?

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I got you.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 3>It is Elgin Baylor, Elger Baylor eleven, four hundred and six.

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>For him to do that as a guard, Yeah, that's wow.

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, yeah, there's a lot of guards on

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like Kobe is number three. But it's just I think

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 1>it's partially a testament to like who played the most

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>games as a Laker? But magic number four.

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 4>A c.

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Green. Speaking of who played the most games shot out,

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I was my guest was gonna be Vern Mickelson, who

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>comes in at number seven.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>But that was right on the tip of my toes,

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.240
<v Speaker 2>right off, a little.

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Bit off, all right. And finally you have the ability

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to pick any former Lakers legend to make a run

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:36.720
<v Speaker 1>with this current squad.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Who are you taking Kobe Bryant Man?

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Come on now, not gonna take a center? Like it

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter that we don't have any any bigs. I

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 2>get it, I get it, But I had to throw

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>that out there. It's like, yeah, we need a big.

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you do need a big I do worry about

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 5>the hack of shack later on in games. So in

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 5>Shack honestly, uh yeah, Like I said, he's dominant, but

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 5>the free throws is what concerns me. Yeah, Mann, I'm

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 5>gonna go with with Kobe Bryant Man because even in

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 5>games where he's not scoring, he still figures out ways

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 5>to to make when he plays and when you need

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 5>a bucket and clutch time, it's always gonna be Kobe Bryant.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 4>So I'm biased.

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Actually you know what.

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 4>That's True's go that's not true.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 5>But also Kobe was also a really good defender too,

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 5>And it's kind of the knock on Luca, especially last

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 5>year in the NBA Finals going up against the Boston Celtics,

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 5>so perimeter defense, all around great player. I would definitely

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 5>go with h with.

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 4>A guy like Kobe.

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>We've done just a couple of times now I keep

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I think my pick would be Kareem. I know my

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>pick would be Kareem for this particular team because he

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>was a good defender.

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the thing of it is, like this question and

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Offen skews with age, we are gonna pick either Koreeb

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 3>or Shack or somebody like that. Where to be honest,

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 3>my people would be Magic just because like I don't care,

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 3>I Magic to my guy in the same way that Kobe.

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Is his guy.

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>M But I mean, you know, I don't think you

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 3>can go That's the thing about you know, you know,

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.240
<v Speaker 3>picking this with the Lakers, you can't really go wrong.

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Like you're you're you're.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.280
<v Speaker 3>You're you're picking between like top ten all time guys

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 3>or fifteen or wherever you have them, you know, not

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:28.720
<v Speaker 3>to offend anybody.

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, if we're talking about fit, to think about someone

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 5>like Pau Gasol playing with Luca and Lebron, Like he's

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 5>a seven footer, but he's also an elite passer too,

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 5>So you have the size, you have that length, and

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 5>you pair that up with Luca and Lebron, I.

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 4>Would be disgusting, disgusting.

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm so old. I was I was actually gonna pick

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Lou al Cinder and all right, right right, Mama, Lou,

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go h there goes that man, all right,

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>justin What a pleasure having you on Mild and Jack

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes your body got Matt Boosti's where can people

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>find you? Follow you, hear you, all that good stuff.

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so when I'm not talking basketball with you guys

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 5>on this amazing podcast, Thank you guys again for the invite.

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 5>I really do appreciate it. I'm a I'm a diehard

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 5>Lakers fan. I love the NBA, so getting to jump

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 5>on a podcast like this is an absolute honor for me.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you again. You can check out my work.

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<v Speaker 5>I cover Arizona football for the Arizona Daily Star in

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<v Speaker 5>Tucson dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>I also host a radio.

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<v Speaker 5>Show on ESPN Tucson down here in the Old Pueblo,

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<v Speaker 5>and you can check out the Spears and Ali podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the name of our show, Spears and Ali. We're

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<v Speaker 5>on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, the whole nine. And yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really really thankful that I was able to jump

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<v Speaker 5>on with you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN TWOS shout out Ali.

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<v Speaker 5>Also find me on Twitter as well or X I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna call it Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>You can call it Twitter. It's Twitter.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll always be Twitter. But yeah, follow me at justin

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<v Speaker 4>Esport all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore, Brian on

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Sky at Jack Obie the Number one, Jabari where

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<v Speaker 1>you can have people find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jabari A.

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<v Speaker 3>Davis on Twitter, Jabari Davis NBA on the Better site

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<v Speaker 3>also known as Blue Sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, and that's gonna do it. Another

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<v Speaker 1>one in the books. Swish back next week with more

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<v Speaker 1>NBA actions, some playoff coverage. Can't wait. We will talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you all then bye,