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Listener discretion is advised. 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: The World's a Biget podcasts. 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 4: The post show portion at Gibson's was that was pretty cool. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 5: If we were like the Beatles, people were still stopping, 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 5: Like as I was walking across the. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 4: I love you so much. Man. 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 6: Oh, we listened to you all the time. 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: He did go to the X ray room after the game. 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying where that's the same that up 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: for right? Yeah? 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 4: Say that put him on ir. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, this show, I mean the Patriots made history. I 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: mean they managed to take a six round quarterback and 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: he turned into the greatest of all time and they 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: took the first round quarterback and he should have been 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: in the sixth round. 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: You have a lot of tone today. I like it, Like, 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 4: I don't really know of one similarity. 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 5: I was gonna let that. 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 4: There's nothing there's nothing physically okay similar about here. 28 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: We go any of them. 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 7: You can't do the cadence. 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: You keep laughing during the cadence, you turned me. If 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: mackets trotted out there again, that's kind of an indication 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: that you're thanking. 33 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: For making a human sacrifice. Jesus uh. 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: This is Patriot's Unfiltered. 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 8: Presented by Toyota's official website. For deals, buy a Toyota 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 8: dot com. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: In retrospect. That was pretty mean yesterday. 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: That's what I said in the middle of the show. 39 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Dark Dark Place. 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was definitely the meanest that you've ever been. 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, sorry, sharp tongue. I apologize. But anyway, it's 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Wednesday here at let's stay him and we're gonna be 43 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: here for the next two hours. It's Deuce, it's Evan, 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: it's Paul, it's me, Matt Nabooth. Who knows who else 45 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: might show up talking Patriots heading into the by here. 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure the team during the bye does 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: a lot of self scouting. 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 6: You know, got to look at yourself. Yeah, look in 49 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 6: the mirror. First, we start pointing fingers for a. 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: Point back at you. 51 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is going to be a 52 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: particularly tough one for Bill Belichick to self scout this team. Uh, 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, from internal stuff to just play on the field, 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and there's a lot to. 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, we got to practice. Evan's gonna go out to 56 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 7: practice here. 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see Uh, I got notheeling that. You see 58 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: nothing weird. Usually you self scout, you make corrections. I 59 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: don't really like, are we wasting time on that? I 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 5: don't know, Like I think that you could see changes 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: and maybe they'll work on those today. In terms of 62 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 5: you know, Bailey's appy as a starting quarterback. 63 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: I ever see enough to see that? 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would be out of the you know, 65 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 5: yeah we could see the norm. 66 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 4: If you don't see it today, I. 67 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 5: Wouldn't say it would be out of the norm, because 68 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 5: if we only get stretching then we wouldn't see that. 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: But if we get that first period of team drills 70 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: or not team drills, excuse me, positional drills, then the 71 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 5: starting quarterback goes with the top five offensive linemen and 72 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 5: they go through drills together, so we would see that. 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so. 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 5: There's something to look forward to later in practice. I 75 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 5: highly doubt we are going to see that. But in 76 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: theory we would see that. 77 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no way, no way, I don't think so. 78 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 4: I don't even look at that. 79 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 7: I don't even don't even think you're going to look 80 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 7: at it. 81 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack Jones got picked up by the Raiders. Perfect 82 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: did they not learn the lesson about Patriots cast off? 83 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 6: That is, Antonio Pearce has got a long connection to 84 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 6: Jack Jones. It was what I wrote, or I was 85 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 6: supposed to write Jack Jones's profile when he got drafted, 86 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 6: and I reached out to the Raiders to see if 87 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 6: Antonio would talk with me. 88 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 7: He wouldn't. 89 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 6: But so from that regard to makes But I think 90 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 6: everybody's like Jack Jones in Vegas. 91 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 7: Not good Bob. That's a little scary. 92 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the the connection to Pierce makes it different. 93 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: But it's the most Raiders move ever. You know, someone 94 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: who gets arrested looking for a second chance. The Raiders 95 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: the home for the way we're lost souls, you know, 96 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 4: that's what they do. But he did coach him in 97 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: high school and in college, so okay, so I mean 98 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: that makes a little sense. 99 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. 100 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: And then but I saw someone on Twitter yesterday and 101 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 4: this is where like some of these things that drive 102 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: me crazy. 103 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 7: Algorithms at it again. 104 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: Someone someone says, though, the timing of this is interesting. 105 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: You know, since Josh McDaniels was fired and Antonio Pierce 106 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: took over. That's when around the time that Jack Jones 107 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: started acting out, and I went since he got here. 108 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: But it looked and I was like, is this like 109 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 4: a burner account from someone or is this like some 110 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: kind of you know, parody account. I don't know why 111 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: I couldn't come up with the word thank you, Mike 112 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: wor it's a very hard words. Is it a parody account? 113 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: Like now Jack Jack Jones has just recently started acting out. 114 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: The intimation there that he's trying to shoot his way 115 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: out of town. 116 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing that the Raiders would would pick him up 117 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 4: like that. 118 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: That was the. 119 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 4: Intimation on the tweet. If anyone's wondering, I'm. 120 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: Not sure if he knew what he was doing there 121 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 5: or not, but Fred always knows what he's doing. 122 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Well. 123 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 6: It will test uh their cornerback depth and geez, I'm 124 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 6: blanking on the guy that they just brought in and 125 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 6: then you remember him off the top of your head. 126 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 6: I mean, maybe Alex Austin, So maybe he's gonna. 127 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 4: I mean, there were two guys that Mike Reese mentioned 128 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: from the practice squad that I guarantee you someone if 129 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: someone had said to you, Paul Perillo, you my friend, 130 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: will earn total consciousness one hundred million dollars if you 131 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: can tell me true or false that these two guys 132 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: are on the squad. However, if you're wrong, you oh, 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: what's a million? And I would you wouldn't take that 134 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 4: would not have taken. So that's how is he sure? 135 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 4: I was in Brian. 136 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 5: It goes two names to just tell people who were 137 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 5: talking about you know, I've. 138 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: Never heard those two names. Ever. 139 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the Colts game. Who were the 140 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the in the Colts game? 141 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 7: Basically Sean Wade and Jonathan Jones. 142 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan, right, which. 143 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 5: Is what it will be moving forward? 144 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Sean Wadell. 145 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 4: I think Jack Jones only played nine plays or something 146 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: like that. 147 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 5: Eighteen percent of the snaps. 148 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was ten plays, ten plays. 149 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that new guy might be active, maybe at 150 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 6: least just to fill that spot for Jack Jones. 151 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: Maybe and play on special teams a little bit. Yeah, 152 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: but yeah, Sean Wade I thought had one of his 153 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 5: better games as a Patriot. Maybe not saying much, but 154 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 5: he looks more and more every day like he belongs. 155 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 5: I think last year at times when you get out 156 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 5: on the field, it was like, oh boy, I remember 157 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: that Vikings game. He played one snap and gave up 158 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 5: like a twenty five year completion. Yeah, but now it 159 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 5: looks like at least he can carry you know, the 160 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 5: water a little bit, Like he doesn't look completely out 161 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 5: of place when he's out there. And he made a 162 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 5: nice play on that screen. 163 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: On the tear screen. Yeah, yeah, I thought he showed 164 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: some physicality at least. 165 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a great example. 166 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that stretch right light that comes out of all 167 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: this is that maybe he's starting to learn how to 168 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: be an NFL player. 169 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 7: I don't know how bright it is right in time 170 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 7: to be a free agent, but is he is? 171 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: He a little bit? 172 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 6: But those are the kind of guys that that you 173 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 6: want to watch here down the stretch and just let's 174 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 6: find out with Sean Wade. I don't want to go, 175 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 6: you know, even like I don't know Josh Bled so 176 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 6: probably hard for him to get up from the practice squad, 177 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 6: but you know, still these guys that have just been 178 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 6: kind of hanging around, like, now's the chance to get 179 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 6: them some snaps see how they look. And I'd say 180 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 6: the same thing on the offense too. I mean, they 181 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 6: don't have a lot to go to, especially like along 182 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 6: the line or necessarily a tight end, but continue trying 183 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 6: to get Booty in there and Thornton and you know, 184 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 6: I know it's painful, but what else, what else you 185 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 6: got to do right now? 186 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 5: I think Sean Wade is an interesting one because they 187 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 5: they've looked for that rotational outside corner, not a guy 188 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 5: that's gonna play every snap for you necessarily, but the 189 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 5: Jason mccordy. 190 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 7: Yeah right. 191 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 5: They haven't been able to find that player since Jason mccordy, 192 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 5: like a consistent third outside cornerback. So maybe when you 193 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: go into next season, you have Jonathan Jones, you have 194 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales hopefully back at one hundred percent, and Sean 195 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 5: Wade can prove that he can be the third guy 196 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 5: in that rotation, and now you have some depth there 197 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 5: that you didn't necessarily have before. So I don't know, 198 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's interesting, like they couldn't stop a 199 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 5: perimeter screen to save their life, and he finally did 200 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: so give him props for that. 201 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 7: I guess how would you have address the slot corner 202 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 7: position right now? 203 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 6: Give him what they you know with Marcus Jones where 204 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 6: he is hurt. You know, Miles Bryant's going to be 205 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 6: a free agent. 206 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 7: Would you would you guys make that a priority. 207 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 6: It's just been something I've been kind of kicking around 208 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 6: a little bit thinking about, like is that a. 209 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: Position you need to address? And and I like the 210 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 4: way evn't just talked about that depth at corner. This 211 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: is why you know Gonzale A lot of people would 212 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: sort of taken aback by Gonzales and I was like, 213 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: they do not have any depth back there at all, 214 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: And I think the same would be be true of 215 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 4: the slot position. I haven't seen Marcus Jones as a 216 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: regular cover guy yet. I haven't seen him prove himself 217 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: now as a punt returner, as a player on the team. Yes, 218 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: established even offensively last year, and I think that they 219 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 4: may have had some designs on doing some of those 220 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: things this year too. So he's you know, he's he's 221 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: got a role on the team. I'm not sure how 222 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 4: much you can rely on him as a slot corner 223 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: right now. 224 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 6: It feels like at best he's that he's like that 225 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 6: second slot. So you know, it's like, all right, they're 226 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 6: going spread right now, they're going five wide. This is 227 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 6: a Marcus Jones kind of you know, get him on 228 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 6: there against the little slot corner. 229 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: He can, But they just use so many defensive backs interchangeably, 230 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: I'm not exactly sure like who they would even get. 231 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: Would they consider Miles Bryant right now the slot corner? 232 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: I would. 233 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 5: I would say that they would consider him the star 234 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: which there and there slot. Yeah, I think that they 235 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: they should probably bring back Myles Bryant. And I know 236 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: the fans are going to roll their eyes and scream 237 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: and yell for some reason. He's like a lightning rod 238 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: that he's the worst player in the history of the 239 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: NFL to some people. I think he's had a really 240 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: solid season. I mean, there's certain matchups that he's Isaiah 241 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: McKenzie did it again against him on Sunday, Like, there's 242 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: certain matchups he just doesn't have the speed to hang 243 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 5: with guys that are those track guys like Isaiah McKenzie. 244 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 5: But he plays a role, he plays it pretty well. 245 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 5: He's a good situational player in terms of awareness and 246 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 5: things like that, good in zone plays, a little bit 247 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 5: of safety. Yeah, I mean, I think he's what you 248 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 5: look for in that spot is somebody that can play 249 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 5: a little bit physically, has a smart you know IQ 250 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: that's a very very high IQ position in their defense, 251 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 5: in any defense. 252 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: Really. 253 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you on him and Van Jennings too, Like, 254 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's not going to move the needle, 255 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 6: but I think it's the kind of guy you need, 256 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 6: is a depth, you know piece. 257 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 7: And I still think. 258 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 6: Pass rush has got to be a priority this offseason, 259 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 6: you know, just you got to have some death behind 260 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 6: you on You got to have somebody who isn't like 261 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 6: ouch and needs it to be perfect for him to 262 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 6: get to the quarterback. You need guys who can generate 263 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 6: pressure on early downs by going through guys, by going 264 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 6: around guys. I think that's the biggest item right now, 265 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 6: that that's just devoid on this deepening the front. 266 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 9: J C. 267 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Jackson's days are numbered. 268 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he'll be back next year. 269 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 6: That's when I mean to come back this year though, 270 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 6: you think I'm not sure he'll be back, I don't know. 271 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 4: I don't mean. 272 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 6: Bill seemed to be like, yeah, like that was kind 273 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 6: of how we answered it when they said do you 274 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 6: expect him back? 275 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 4: Yeah? I just wonder And we talked about this a 276 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 4: little bit with Trent Brown with the personal reasons, and 277 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: I don't like delving into the personal reasons because you 278 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 4: have no idea what they are, you know, especially in 279 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: this day and age of you know, increased awareness around 280 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: mental health, right, Is that what we're dealing with jay 281 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: Z Jackson too. We talked about that with Brown, but 282 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: not really with Jackson because everybody saw the report about 283 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 4: him missing the hotel and the curfew and all that stuff. 284 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what it is, but maybe it's 285 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: something he's working through mentally, you know, and he's got 286 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: to find a way to get through that. And maybe 287 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: you could still have him back next year, but I 288 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: would I think that they should move on. 289 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I just wonder, Like, I don't know, it's Gonzales around 290 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: the team right now. Yeah, so influence he's a rookie, Like, 291 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: do we we probably want to surround him with positive influences. 292 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that with I mean, Paul's 293 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 6: been talking about it NonStop. I mean, even you know, 294 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 6: when we were selling ourselves on Trent Brown, he was, 295 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 6: you know, continuing to tell say even what he gives 296 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 6: you positive, there's it's gonna come at a price. 297 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 7: And I just I think that's been proven. 298 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 6: And and you know, biggest thought going into the off 299 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 6: season is he got to you got a clean house 300 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 6: of the guys that are not on board, and it's 301 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: the Sean Wades of the world who's been waiting for 302 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 6: a chance, and you know, like he wants to play. 303 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 6: I'd rather lose with that guy than get the two 304 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 6: performances or three performances a. 305 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: Year that are great. 306 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 6: But we also have to deal, well, he's got some personals, 307 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 6: he's gonna play for a couple of weeks, or you know, oh, 308 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 6: we're not sure what's going on. He's on a practice. 309 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 6: Oh we got a new contract, you know, like all 310 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 6: those things that are going on. I mean, Paul I, 311 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 6: I you know, I defer to you on on on 312 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 6: how you've laid it out and how you've been all 313 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 6: over it. 314 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: I just I think the team relying on unrelying too. 315 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 6: Far down that road with too many guys, which is 316 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 6: strange because I think the thing we thought with Bill 317 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 6: as of late was I think the cut out that 318 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 6: he just wants to play employee players, he wants to 319 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 6: work with and yet which this. 320 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 4: Was a stark contrast to the recent try I don't 321 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 4: get it. 322 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: And we talked about it, you know, when Dante said 323 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: he knew that this team could do it when they 324 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: started self policing, when there were locker room cops. I'm 325 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: not sure there are a lots. 326 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: So now that's interesting, And I want to bring up 327 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: something that you guys got out of the locker room 328 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: yesterday from Tetrich Wise. I found that really interesting that 329 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: he was as defensive of Jack Jones as he was, 330 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 4: and I didn't look at it as a good sign. 331 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 4: By the way, if you guys can't tell by the tone. 332 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 6: Well, he also, you know, said he was surprised about 333 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 6: the He said he was hurt. Yeah, I mean, oh, 334 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 6: he was hurt about him being late being okay, because 335 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 6: that's that's the way I read it. 336 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: But he wanted to make sure I got the right context. 337 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 6: I don't know for sure, because we had some conversations 338 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 6: in the aftermath of him kind of being like, I 339 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 6: didn't you know, somebody's like, you know, being late to 340 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 6: meeting and stuff, and he's like, I didn't I didn't 341 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 6: know that, you know, So I don't know. 342 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: It's just like he didn't know. He just thought he 343 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 4: got released out of nowhere. 344 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, of course, did he really not know? 345 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it's a hard it's a hard 346 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 6: position to be put in as a player right there, 347 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 6: because I'm sure he's got a relationship with Jack Jones. 348 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 6: But at the same time, you know, look, guy's been 349 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 6: doing his own thing for a few weeks now, and 350 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 6: it's just how many strikes is he gonna get? 351 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think after all the team did for him, yeah, 352 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: to get up helping me get out of that jam. Yeah, 353 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: like he'd be a little bit grateful and like, Okay, 354 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play ball. I'm gonna follow the rules, you know. 355 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: But it's weird how. 356 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 6: Things go when you're a two win football team and 357 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 6: guys really start to check out, and it's you know, 358 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 6: and part of me is like, this is not a 359 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 6: good thing for you right now. As bad as the 360 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 6: team is setting a bad example now, is not gonna 361 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 6: help you get somewhere else. I mean, I guess in 362 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 6: this case it did, but I just think we all 363 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 6: expect Jack Jones is probably gonna have similar problems in 364 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 6: the Raiders, and. 365 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 7: It's just a question of how long are they going 366 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 7: to turn a blind eye to it? 367 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: Right well, and the other the other part of Jack 368 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: Jones that I don't think has gotten enough attention over 369 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: the last two days is that you can sort of, 370 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: you know, work with a guy who's not always on 371 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: board with what you need him to do if he's 372 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: playing well. And I don't think people talking about how 373 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: he's played since the first I don't know, handful of 374 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: games of his career. You know, he had to pick 375 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: the pick six against Green Bay and then later in 376 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: that same game forced a fumble with a pretty good play, 377 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: right I thought. I thought, by far the best play 378 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: he made was the one against Detroit. Yeah, when he 379 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 4: when he picked off the pass on kind of the 380 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: wheel route to Hockinson down the sideline. Really nice play, 381 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: kind of reminiscent of Gonzalez's play against Miami where he 382 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: kind of came over and and made a nice kind 383 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: of free safety kind of play. Really good balls, you know, 384 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: really yeah, really good ball skills on that play. Then 385 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: he kind of went downhill and I don't think people 386 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: have talked about it, because that's what happens around here. 387 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: If you flash immediately on the positive, that's what you are. 388 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: And no one looks at any of the warts after that. 389 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: No one looked at the warts, even when it was 390 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 5: like he busted a handful of coverage. 391 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: I don't think he played in the Green Bay game. 392 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And and Rogers didn't. The bald just 393 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 5: didn't find it, like Rogers just didn't find the open receiver. 394 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: He found him in overtime and it was like. 395 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 5: Once a week. I was like, oh, here's the once 396 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 5: a week wide open coverage bust by Jack Jones. I 397 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 5: couldn't agree more with you, Paul. I really just feel 398 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 5: like that was the final straw. Well, not anything that 399 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 5: happened in Germany or any of the tweets, which I think, 400 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: you know it would behoove him to get off of Twitter, yep, 401 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: But none of that stuff, Like, really, I think was 402 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 5: the final straw. He just he hasn't been good. He 403 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 5: hasn't been any Washington, and on a lesser extent, this 404 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 5: indie game. He only played ten plays in the Indie game. 405 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 5: I remember two specific ones that he was the closest 406 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 5: guy in coverage. Now you want to tell me he wasn't, 407 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: you know, I'll defer to Evan. Maybe it wasn't his. 408 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: Fault, but he was close enough to the guy twice 409 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: in a handful of snaps and didn't play much after 410 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: that three three games in a row. I think that 411 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: was as much to do with anything like that. You're 412 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: gonna be a problem, and when I don't play you, 413 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 4: you're gonna pout on the bench and be disengaged and 414 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: have a towel on your head. Now I gotta get 415 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: rid of you because you're not playing well. 416 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Miami game, it's his fault that 417 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 5: that coverage was busted to lose the game, like he won. Yeah, 418 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 5: they literally lost the game. So I just I really 419 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 5: feel like there, Paul, You're so right that people had 420 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 5: this feeling of Jack Jones being this great player, and 421 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 5: we saw it a little bit in the spring, Like, 422 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 5: I'll give him credit before the gun charges. 423 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: He's without Town, without Town. 424 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: A decent spring. But as soon as the gun charges 425 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: thing happened. And then he comes back for training camp 426 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 5: and he was not very good in training camp either, 427 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 5: and then the last preseason game against Tennessee was a 428 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 5: disaster for him. So I mean, granted, like all the 429 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 5: off field stuff I'm sure is bogging him down to 430 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 5: an extent, but I I just I never really saw 431 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 5: Jack Jones being consistent enough to be like a starting 432 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 5: outside corner in the league. Like he had those flashes, 433 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 5: but he was gonna have a long way to go 434 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 5: before he was a guy that you could rely on 435 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 5: to play seventy seventy five snaps a game. 436 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 4: You remember when we used to have those conversations, it was, Yeah, 437 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: ideally if you could get that jump and have Gonzales 438 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 4: be a guy that you could plug in day one 439 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: and have Jack Jones on the outside, move here, and 440 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: now Jonathan Jones is in the slot, you know, and 441 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: now you've got everybody where there's supposed to be the 442 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: whole trickle down thing. Like that's what when you talked 443 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: about Mike, Anthony Jennings and Miles Bryant, you know, like 444 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: you'd probably like to have those guys. I would agree 445 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 4: in a vacuum. I think that they're like hardworking players 446 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: that are in your system. I'd rather continue working with 447 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 4: guys that are in my system haven't been a problem 448 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 4: and they play hard. But the problem is now those 449 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: used to be the guys around the margins that you retained, 450 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: you know, for layers of depth, not good enough to 451 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: be front line guys that are like, we got to 452 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 4: get these guys back because we got to have him 453 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 4: as our lead slot corner, you know, in the star spot. Yeah, 454 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: and we got to have Anthony Jennings setting the edge 455 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: every year because I don't think they're necessarily good enough 456 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 4: players for that. 457 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 5: But I agree with you guys, yes, I mean Jennings 458 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 5: is one of the worst pass rushers on a person 459 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 5: app basis. 460 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 4: In the summary he looks like a d right. So 461 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: he shows you the difference between preseason and regular season 462 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: past rush win rate. 463 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: He is one hundred and second out of one hundred 464 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 5: and thirteen guys in past rush win rate. Now he 465 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 5: does rank very very high and stuffs against the riscal player. 466 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 5: He's a really good run defender. But if you could 467 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 5: combine Jennings and josh U into one player, now now 468 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 5: you have a hell. 469 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: Of a player. 470 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 5: But they have warts individually. 471 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 4: That was when they got drafted in the draft show 472 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: Mike and I had this whole epiphany. 473 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 5: Well, there you go. 474 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 6: You I just think this is all part of what 475 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 6: this team's gonna have to do, which is take inventory 476 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 6: of there's. 477 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 7: A lot of holes to fill. 478 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: There's a lot you know of varying levels. 479 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 6: There's you know, immediate needs like finding tackles that can play, 480 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 6: finding tight ends, like you just you're they're gonna have 481 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 6: to go out and sign those. But you know, it's 482 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 6: the Miles Bryant, He's gonna not be that high in demand. 483 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 6: He's a guy that we've you know, contributed to. So 484 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 6: it's like, do we want to go draft a third 485 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 6: round slot corner and try or do we just want 486 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 6: to you know, yes, Miles Bryant isn't quite it, but 487 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 6: maybe we can still draft that third or fourth round 488 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 6: slot corner and try to let him develop and maybe 489 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 6: he surpasses that, you know. 490 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: That might be a guy you can sign. 491 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think I think you just have 492 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 5: to roll with, like, do you have to hope that 493 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 5: Miles Bryan and Marcus Jones give you enough out of 494 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 5: those two guys, because if you start throwing high end 495 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 5: resources at slot. 496 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 4: Car, yeah, I don't want to know, you know, And 497 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: that's what. 498 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 5: Whether it's money or it's a top one hundred pick 499 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 5: or whatever. They they don't have the luxury to be like, oh, 500 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 5: we're gonna take this slot corner in the third round 501 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 5: and leave tackles and receivers and other players on the board. 502 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 6: It's just, you know, how do you divvy it up? 503 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 6: How do you prioritize what they need? And you know, 504 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 6: what's the quickest route out of the basement? You know, 505 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 6: I mean, I think we would all generally agree that 506 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 6: the offense has to be a major focus, but you know, 507 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 6: you can't forget about the defense and what happened this 508 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 6: year when they had some key injuries and it's been 509 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 6: a tough year for you lost mccordy, then you lost 510 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 6: Judon and Gonzalez. You've had Bentley struggling, Jonathan Jones has 511 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: been battling something all year. So I mean basically every 512 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 6: top defender that they've had from the last two years 513 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 6: is either out or struggling with something right now. 514 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 4: So they got to rebuild their depth too. 515 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: What do you think the messages from Bill, you know, 516 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: going into you know, taking I think it's been about 517 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: what you know, do you think his message will come 518 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: not through words but through playtime? Like going forward you know. 519 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 7: Well, you know what, I went back to fred. 520 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 6: I remember in that nine documentary he was talking to 521 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 6: the team before their first preseason game and something along 522 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 6: those lines of like, you know, this is a preseason game, 523 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 6: but it means something to me, It means something to you. 524 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 6: You know, you're putting your name on what kind of 525 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 6: what performance you're gonna put out there, what kind of 526 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 6: effort you're gonna put out there. So, because that was 527 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 6: the thing that popped into my mind bad as the. 528 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Last few years of ben other than two thousand, is 529 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: this the first time that at the bye they're pretty 530 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: much out of it? 531 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I believe and I'm not positive on this, 532 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: but I believe this. They will play a game. A 533 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: game this regular season will be the first time that 534 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 4: they ever take the field excluding the COVID year. COVID 535 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: year is the only year having been eliminated. Like last year, 536 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: they could have won and made the playoffs. You know, 537 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 4: they obviously made the playoffs in twenty one to beat 538 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 4: back in eight Jets. Back in eight, they had a 539 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: chance to beat Buffalo, and if things went right in 540 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: the Miami Jets game, they could have made the playoffs. 541 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 4: Same and oh, two, like this goes all the way 542 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 4: back to two thousand and since they played a game 543 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 4: that had had no bearing on the standing, right, So 544 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: that's that this is uncharted. 545 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: That becomes a unique challenge for any head coach is 546 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: how do I keep players engaged when there's really nothing 547 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to play for, you know, in terms of standing. So 548 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: then you have to appeal to their own pride and 549 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: their own professionalists. 550 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: And then their contract and money. 551 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: I think everything you do is on tape, and whether 552 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it or your next employer is looking 553 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: at it, you need to have a good tape. 554 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 4: And you know, we Mike and I have been talking 555 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: a lot. We've used a lot of our debates on 556 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: the TV show with a variation of you know, let's 557 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: get these guys some playing time, right, And I think 558 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: Bill makes a good point. He's been asked about this. 559 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: I know we asked them about it for All Access too, 560 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 4: so I you know, I knew that this was something 561 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 4: that you know, on the radar. I think he mentioned 562 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: it yesterday, Like it's it's one thing to just say, well, 563 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 4: you got to play Keon White, you got to play 564 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: Marty Marpu, you know, you got to play you know 565 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: Sam Roberts, so you don't get him some snaps, you know, figure, well, 566 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: if they don't earn them, right, you can't just put 567 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: guys out there. 568 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: And Bill kind of said that last week about practice, 569 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: like you know, our Sunday is determined. 570 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 4: By and that's what made the Booty thing frustrated. And he 571 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 4: kept telling us how well he was practicing. We still 572 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 4: weren't getting the sand. 573 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: But when you know, when he says it was his 574 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: best week, that could be relative every other, I mean, 575 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: up on time all. Yeah, but I think that he's, 576 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, for a guy like Booty, he's trying to 577 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: give him any type of incentive to keep it up. 578 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Come on. 579 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: And I do think you'll see I think you'll see 580 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 4: that more and more with some of these, uh, you know, 581 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: even like Sean Wade. I think you're seeing it with him. 582 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: You know, I was worried that you just sort of 583 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: plug in these same guys and and just roll with it, 584 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: Like I want to see some of these different faces 585 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: and see what you know. And that wouldn't be the 586 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: poet like you brought up Josh Bledze. You know, I 587 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: wouldn't be you know, stunned to see that even like again, 588 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: Adrian Phillips and Jalen Mills, I do not believe will 589 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: be part of this team next year. So you gotta 590 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: find your depth somewhere. 591 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I just love to see one of these 592 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 6: receive other receivers than Douglas do something. I mean, how 593 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 6: many times can you roll out Jalen Rieger and Taekwon 594 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 6: Thornton and Kaishan Booty and they have one catch between 595 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 6: the three of them. You know, I don't even really 596 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 6: throw juju in that kind of think that ship is 597 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 6: sales reps. 598 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Thornton get in the Colts game. 599 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 7: Zero zero point zero. 600 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: Like, I don't think that that makes any sense to me. 601 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you find that kind of crazy? 602 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 4: Now? Now listen, But the way the game unfolded, they 603 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: ran the ball almost exclusively. It was a rare NFL 604 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: game where it was like sixty forty run pass under 605 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 4: three hours. Like that was another one of the lone 606 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: bright spots. Get the irony of another one of the 607 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 4: lone bright spots. Yeah, see what you did there? Wordsmith, 608 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 4: words very hard, very hard. But yeah, two forty four, yeah, Freddie, 609 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 4: we were home for red zone second half of the 610 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: one o'clock. I can tell you Fred, we could do 611 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 4: those every every week. 612 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: We'll do it, okay, okay, can. 613 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 7: We just will put our team in Germany and we'll 614 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 7: just stay here. 615 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: We just. 616 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: Show would be the play all our games in Germany. 617 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, sure everybody will love that, all right? 618 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: Eight five five pass five hundred is the A Sticket 619 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: hotline web radio at pates dot com is the email address. 620 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Did anyone catch mac on ee? I? 621 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 7: Yes, highlights, highlights painful? 622 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, trying to. 623 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 6: He came through the locker room too yesterday and then't 624 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 6: really have you know, much to say, said he was 625 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 6: was sticking around, but yeah, all eyes on him right now. 626 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 6: It's it's I just I don't see how they can 627 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 6: come out of this by and not at least I 628 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 6: was interested. 629 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, Mike Reese's he does his little ten points 630 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: after the game, cleaning out the note book. You know, 631 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: he mentioned something that I didn't think he would that 632 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: he thought that it might have been, in his words, 633 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: aggressive to sit Mac on that final drive after you'd 634 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: gone through the whole game. Bailey's Appi's just watched the 635 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: game and the bench and then in the game winning 636 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: potential game winning drive you take Mac out despite the interception, 637 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: he thought that was he questioned that move. 638 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 6: I think he's questioning it within the context of that game. 639 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 6: But I just I mean, I think I look at 640 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 6: it within the context of Mac and what Mac has 641 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 6: been doing this season, And you know, was it maybe 642 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 6: a little bit punitive that he threw the worst interception 643 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 6: he's probably thrown yet at the worst possible time. Maybe, 644 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 6: But at the same time, I just think all the 645 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 6: emotion and everything that's built up, and I mean we're 646 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 6: also seeing, you know, reports of I mean, you can 647 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 6: believe what you want to believe, but I mean, I 648 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 6: do believe that there are a number of players on 649 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 6: that team that are you know, that don't think he's 650 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 6: the guy, and you know that's that's the direction it's 651 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 6: going right now. But I get what Mike's saying, But 652 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 6: I just think it was it was one of those 653 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 6: things where we all felt it, like, didn't you when 654 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 6: you when he threw that one, the way it looked, 655 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 6: the opportunity that was there, I mean, just everything that went. 656 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: Into that one play. 657 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: Oh Mac, Oh. 658 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: Max, it's tough. 659 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with Mike. I looked at it now. I 660 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 4: don't necessarily think it was fair to Bailey Zappy. However, 661 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: I think it was more than fair to Mac Jones. 662 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: And this isn't because I'm anti Mac or anything like that. 663 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: I think that the thing to do would have been 664 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 4: to take Mac Jones out of the game well before that. 665 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you on that, but. 666 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 4: And give Bailey Zappy a couple of chances and maybe 667 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: to maybe run a regular drive instead of that. I 668 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: don't look at that as an emotional decision. And that's 669 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: the way myke. 670 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: In that moment. What would have given the team the 671 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: best chance to win? 672 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 7: I mean, I think that's the that's the heart of 673 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 7: the argument. 674 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: I think you had an absolute zero point zero percent 675 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: chance to win with Mac Jones playing ward. 676 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 7: Okay, I mean I at least. 677 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: At least someone could have gone out there and caught 678 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 4: fire like he wasn't doing. It's the hard spot. 679 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 6: Have we seen that before the backup quarterback comes out 680 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 6: for one drive and leaves it down the field. 681 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 4: I've never I've never seen it in that circumstance. Now, 682 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure that there's been a guy who came in 683 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: for an injury late and succeeded, but I've never seen 684 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: it like that where a guy got pulled for performance 685 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: with one drive left in the game that was winnable. Now, 686 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: I'm sure that there's like Pro Football Reference will tell 687 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: you all those you put them all in, and here's 688 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 4: here's an example of it. I can't recall a single 689 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: time where a guy got pulled four performance with one 690 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: drive left in a winnable game. 691 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: Now, Bill took whatever responsibility for the call, you know, 692 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: pulling him, But do you think it was a Bill 693 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: O'Brien said, Bill, we got to get him out of here. 694 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: Do you think Bill O'Brien told Belichick get him out? 695 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 6: My instinct, my unstinct will be Belichick. I mean, as 696 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 6: Paul's loved to point out, Bill, Bill heard everything that. 697 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: I think both can be true, though, I think O'Brien 698 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 4: could have said, Bill, we got to make a move. 699 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: Bill said, I think you're right. Yeah, you know, it 700 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 4: could have been like that. I wouldn't be surprised if 701 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 4: O'Brien said something to Belgium along those lines. 702 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, because you know Bill O'Brien. 703 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: That's what they know, and that's why they called him. 704 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, he looks at this and he should this 705 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: is a reflection on him too. Sure he came in 706 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: here and fair or unfair, everyone said up. Offense is 707 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: going to get better. 708 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: He's he's been under under attack too. 709 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I know, and he and he hears it. He's not 710 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: someone that ignores the noise. Yeah, you know, no one is. 711 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: Really it was. 712 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 6: It was funny because I actually wrote it on my notes. 713 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 6: You said it, Paul really cracked me up. I don't 714 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 6: know about four weeks ago, they even broke teapot, Like I. 715 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 7: Wrote that down and I'm like, all right, he's back, baby, 716 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 7: We got that. We got our teapot, Like I mean, 717 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 7: I think I don't know a lot of people who 718 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 7: have been frustrated with some of this. I kind of 719 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 7: took a little like. 720 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 4: Come on, man and listen. I know people are gonna 721 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 4: look at this and say I And I think I 722 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 4: haven't read the story yet, but I think Shaughnessy wrote 723 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 4: something along the lines, are we being a little bit 724 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 4: too tough on Mac? 725 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: A little tough? 726 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 4: You know, he's trying. I'm not a big fan of 727 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 4: like firings, Like I don't want to see people lose 728 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: their jobs. I'm not rooting for Mac to fail, like 729 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 4: I know, people probably hear their snarks sometimes and they 730 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: they think differently, but it's time. Like I know, there 731 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 4: were a lot of extenuating factors that got us here, 732 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: and they're not all Max's fault, but I will say 733 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: Mac contributed to all of the things that everybody's talking about. 734 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: I feel for the kid, though, and I said, I 735 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: feel good about it. 736 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 9: Really. 737 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: It really hit home to me postgame when he said, 738 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, does Bill still have faith in you? And said, 739 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: you know the way I'm playing, I don't know. Well. 740 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 4: Also, if you heard the way he spoke, the voice 741 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 4: got weak at the end, he was choked up. Listen, 742 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: I get it that I would. I'm sure I would 743 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: have felt the same way like you put and you 744 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 4: put so much into it and then you just can't 745 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 4: do it. It's not because of a lack of effort. 746 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 6: Especially him, because I think, I mean, I've been consistent. 747 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 6: I think he works really hard. 748 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: I think he's I don't know. I don't question his 749 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: effort putting it in the. 750 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 6: Off season, work and training and you know, trying to 751 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 6: do all the right things. I think Mac has done 752 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 6: all those things and. 753 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: In this game in general, I wouldn't like question the effort. 754 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: Like Washington, I had a handful of plays that I 755 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 4: wondered how hard everybody was playing. I did not have 756 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: that question in this game. 757 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 6: It was the I mean, I'm remembering now something that 758 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 6: you know came across my mind. 759 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 7: I'm sure I talked about it on the show. 760 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 6: Was just you know, Mac has some warts when he 761 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 6: came in, but it was a question of can you 762 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 6: outwork those warts? Can you work yourself to being a 763 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 6: star in this league? And I just I think where 764 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 6: I've landed is you really can't. There has to be 765 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 6: a little something that's just that magic that some guys 766 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 6: have and other guys, and maybe it's brought out by 767 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 6: a perfect situation, and you know it was there all along, 768 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 6: and you know, I still a little bit believe that. 769 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 6: But I mean, you know, generally Mac had as good 770 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 6: as you can get it, and that first year as 771 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 6: a rookie outside of you know, maybe having that true 772 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 6: elite weapon, but they made it work. 773 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: If you listen to a lot of those draft experts, 774 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: a lot of them felt what he would be when 775 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 4: he entered the league was his ceiling. And I think 776 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: we've seen it, and I think that there's a couple 777 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: of things, and I was on the other side of this, 778 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: so I'm not trying to take a victory lap. I 779 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 4: got a million things wrong that Matt can play the 780 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: clips for. But I didn't think that he was as 781 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 4: good as rookie year, as most others around here thought 782 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: he was. I thought it slowed down. And the reason 783 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 4: I thought it slowed down was because teams figured out 784 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: what he could do. I don't think he has a 785 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: lot of things that he can do, quote unquote, and 786 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 4: once they figured those out. Now Fred Kirsh goes to 787 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 4: work and says, we became easy to defend, right, And 788 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: I think he in general is pretty easy to defend, 789 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: regardless of weapons, regardless of protection, regardless of all of 790 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 4: the other and all those things are true. He doesn't 791 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 4: have great protection. He hasn't had a great running game, 792 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 4: although he did on Sunday, which is the only reason 793 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 4: why that they had those drives that they had that 794 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: I think Mike is pointing toward, like completely ignoring the 795 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 4: fact that they ran the ball down. I mean, at 796 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: one point, I think they ran the ball seven times 797 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 4: in a row. That's unheard of an NFL game. 798 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 6: That was my Zapie drive. That's like, you know you're 799 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 6: gonna go to that, Like, let's just go to Zapp. 800 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 4: They have to feel that they has to make two 801 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: or three throws. He made two, could make the third. 802 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 4: You know, we had one to Douglas. I think on 803 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 4: a third down and then he throws an interception like 804 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: the next time and to the rest of it was reminded. 805 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: But but that play was not a physical play. It 806 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: was a mental play. He saw it and. 807 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 4: Just but it was partly physical. It was because he's 808 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 4: falling away from the flow and he can't do this 809 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 4: everything because he doesn't physically have the ability. 810 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: But to throw that time to step into it. Yes, 811 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: he did his head. Yeah, like he's rushing when he 812 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: doesn't need to rush. He takes too long when he 813 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: needs to rush. 814 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 4: It's like, but a guy with a good arm, Fred 815 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: could do that, make a mental mistake, an inventor rush. 816 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: But he has a strong enough arm to get it 817 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 4: where he wants to Winny and you say, wow, he 818 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 4: rushed that throw unnecessarily. The homes got away with it. 819 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: I think he's such scrambled eggs right now. It's just 820 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: not he's not able to instinctually do what he needs 821 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: to do. 822 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 4: You know, it's totally unwrap him. 823 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 6: And I mean I even said to Evan yesterday it 824 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 6: was like I remember seeing him come in as a 825 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 6: rookie and being really impressed with how he looked in 826 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 6: the pocket. 827 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 7: There's a lot of chaos. Man, he doesn't look. 828 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 6: Affected by it at all, and it's just a it's 829 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 6: like that you don't know what you don't know. 830 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 4: And as he slowly was. 831 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 6: In there and he realized, like, man, you know, I'm 832 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 6: gonna get hit a lot, and this isn't like Alabama, 833 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 6: and these guys are coming. 834 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 4: To kill me. 835 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 6: And it's just slowly falling apart to the point now 836 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 6: where like I've said it a couple times now, that 837 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 6: play to me just summed up everything about where he's 838 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 6: at mentally, where he's at physically, where the team is 839 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 6: at with him with a chance to win somehow, even 840 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 6: though it's been one of your worst games, and off 841 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 6: the back foot with a little bit of pressure, no 842 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 6: ability to kind of avoid it, not the arm strength 843 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 6: to be able to, like Paul said, just kind of 844 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 6: fling it out there. 845 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: And I think from a teammates standpoint, if you're a 846 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: quarterback and you're getting pummeled every game. You have the 847 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: sympathy of your players, of your teammates, but when you 848 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: do something like that time and again turn the ball over, 849 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: you start to lose your teammates, you know, you start 850 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I'm. 851 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 6: On ten points, ten points, Yeah, I mean the defenders 852 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 6: have to be sick. I mean, you know, and it's 853 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 6: and I don't think that they should be like walking 854 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 6: around trumpet and how great they are, you know they 855 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 6: I mean, they barely held on to contain Gardner Minshew 856 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 6: to ten points, but they gave up. 857 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: But you know, Paul, you remember, you know, back in 858 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: the day when it was Easton and Grogan and you know, guys, 859 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: the players wanted Grogan in there. They yeah, maybe Easton's 860 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: a better, you know it, row it was definitely a better, 861 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: But they wanted Grogan because he's our guy. 862 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 4: He you know, Grogan would stand in there, he would 863 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 4: move around when he got sacked. He didn't you know, 864 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 4: it wasn't because of the offensive line, like they just 865 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 4: thought he was tougher. 866 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 6: I'm just so curious in the second half, if you know, 867 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 6: if it is zappy, if he has any kind of 868 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 6: despite his warts and despite some mistakes that that he's 869 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 6: inevitably going to make if he brings some kind of 870 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 6: spark to the offense that you know is making some 871 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 6: plays that we just didn't see out of Mac a. 872 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 4: Little bit of part, I kind of do. 873 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 6: I don't want to be overly optimistic on it, because 874 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 6: you know, we haven't seen it from him yet, but 875 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 6: but I've seen him make some throws. 876 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance they devote the time 877 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: that they have during the by to get Will Greer 878 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: ready and put him out there. 879 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 4: I mean, I have a bunch of faith. 880 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, I wish I could say I do, And I mean, 881 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 6: I just I keep going back to with Will Greer. 882 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 6: It's just because he's an unknown and people think, well, 883 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 6: he could be amazing. 884 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: Do you see these poles? 885 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 4: Everybody, everybody in the brother is putting on a pole 886 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 4: who should start or Will? He's leaving it by. Will 887 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 4: Greer is by far and away because nobody knows anything 888 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 4: about exactly. 889 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's the other guy. But I let your. 890 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 4: Point about Mac his rookie year in the pocket too, Mike, 891 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: And I remember, like I think, Fred, I think you 892 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 4: brought it up on the show, and you said, what 893 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 4: is everybody, what is the one thing that you like 894 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 4: most about man? And that was poised was one of 895 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 4: the things that I said. 896 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, there was a stretch of game at every game 897 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: he come up with like blood on his face. 898 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's that's taking hits. Yeah, that that's 899 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: showing some toughness. But I mean poise in the pocket, 900 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: and I think that really deteriorated, you know, as that 901 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 4: year win on, as as Mike said, as he started 902 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 4: getting hit, wasn't used to getting hit because he. 903 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 7: Never got hit at Alabama one season, I mean. 904 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 4: But one season behind five NFL players, with five NFL 905 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 4: guys with them. 906 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: I know it's kind of crazy, But do you think, 907 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: like the ankle, like from that point on, he was 908 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: never the same. 909 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 7: That's a good question, Fred. 910 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 4: I don't know. 911 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 6: It's hard to really pull the threads out because of 912 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 6: what a disaster the offense was last. 913 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: Year, well and everything that happened subsequently, like getting benched, 914 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: getting pulled out, going back in after. 915 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 6: The I mean I would at least say this, I 916 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 6: would say it certainly probably changed the perception of him 917 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 6: by people in general. 918 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 4: Questionable. You know that that was he had he had 919 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: pretty much universal support coming out of his rookie year. 920 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 4: There weren't very many voices like mine that were still skeptical. 921 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 7: He's being good against I mean that Ravens game was 922 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 7: probably that was it. 923 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: But he was he was awful in the first two games. 924 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 4: The Ravens game, he actually made some plays, but he 925 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 4: threw picks and then he got hurt. And I agree 926 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 4: with Mike one hundred percent. The image of what he 927 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: acted like when he got hurt, I think resonated with 928 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 4: a lot of people and turned some against him, and 929 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 4: that started the pendulum going back the other way. I 930 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 4: think Mike. I think Mike nails it well. 931 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 7: Fred. 932 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 6: I mean, good call up by Fred, because it's just 933 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 6: those moments happen. You don't realize how big of an 934 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 6: inflection point it might be. And even now it didn't 935 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 6: really occur to me, but it was definitely a major 936 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 6: turning point for him, you know, regardless if that was 937 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 6: the reason why or you know, But do you think. 938 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 4: He'll ever be the Patriots like starting quarterback again, and 939 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 4: he might start another game, but do you think he'll 940 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 4: ever be thus starter capital I don't think so either. 941 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 7: I don't I mean, do you think we'll be back 942 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 7: next year no matter what. 943 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 4: No, No, I don't matter what. I don't think he'll 944 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 4: be back no matter what. I think it depends greatly 945 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 4: on if they draft. If they get like Drake May, 946 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 4: then I don't think he's coming back. I don't think 947 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 4: it makes any sense to have him be here when 948 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 4: you clearly are moving on from him. 949 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 950 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 4: Now, if you end up I feel for the kid, though, 951 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 4: If you end up not being able to draft a 952 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 4: guy that you that you think can play next year, 953 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 4: then you might have to go that route of getting 954 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 4: a stop gap guy or something like that. 955 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 956 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 4: Or if you end up drafting a guy like in 957 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 4: the third round who you know will not be ready, 958 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 4: you know, then then maybe he stays. But I think 959 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 4: seventy five percent gone. Yeah, I agree with Fred. 960 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 6: I feel I feel bad for him, But I also 961 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 6: this is there are thirty two of these jobs in 962 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 6: the world, and they're not for everybody. 963 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, but I agree, he's just not good enough appropriate, 964 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: He's just not overcome the other flaws in this team unfortunately. 965 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 6: No, And I mean you can't help, but wonder like 966 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 6: if you plug them in with the forty nine. 967 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 4: Ers, I think I think you'd be bad. I think 968 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 4: you'd be okay with that. I think he would be 969 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 4: okay with a team like that. I'm really hard pressed 970 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 4: to come up with another example. 971 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: Right, there's not a lot of teams like that. 972 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 4: No, Like, I don't think it would look like Teddy 973 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 4: Bridgewater is a pretty accomplished quarterback in the NFL. He 974 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,479 Speaker 4: had some moments in Minnesota, and the Miami offense didn't 975 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 4: look anything like what the Dolphins look like when Tua plays. 976 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 4: I don't think it would look anything like that if 977 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 4: Mac was the quarterback with Miami. 978 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: I know. 979 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 4: That's another opinion that I get a lot of pushback from. 980 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 6: I haven't seen the accuracy like that, like the anticipation too, 981 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 6: like just not and again to the still shots that 982 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 6: we saw yesterday, Like some of those those are plays 983 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 6: that you have, Okay, get on your back foot and 984 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 6: let it rip the guys there and he's going to 985 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 6: turn around and then he's got to catch. 986 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: In the NFL, you have to have some ability to 987 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,959 Speaker 1: extend plays, you know, and the off platform, as Evan 988 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: would say, but. 989 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 6: It's it's not even you know, he can't even get 990 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 6: to the point where he gets off platform. He just 991 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 6: he he has no subtle pocket movement anymore. There's no 992 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 6: little and I think that's something that I felt like he. 993 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 7: Kind of had. 994 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 6: I thought some of the ability to step left and 995 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 6: just kind of fire it and you know, now it's 996 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 6: I did. 997 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 4: I thought he feels and I remember back like that 998 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 4: Miami game and it's funny. One of the first things 999 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 4: that he did as a pro was that getting completely 1000 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 4: flustered in the pocket, getting tied up, turned around and 1001 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 4: he threw the ball backwards. There it was General Smith. 1002 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 7: There's another great call out. 1003 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 5: Remember that that was That was early. I don't know 1004 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 5: first what was he doing, Like, what was he doing? 1005 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1006 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 7: And there it was, and there it is. 1007 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 4: I mean, and we've seen that was the play you 1008 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 4: saw I think Sunday when he tried to underhand it. 1009 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 7: To right and probably more of them and it's just close. 1010 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 4: That was to a pixel. It was I thought it was. 1011 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 7: I mean, as soon I'm like, what are like? This 1012 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 7: is again? 1013 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 6: This is everything they've been trying to coach out of him, 1014 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 6: you know, everything, and he's still like when does that 1015 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 6: ever work? Like even Patrick Mahomes isn't trying to do 1016 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 6: the old bump set spike O. 1017 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 4: You guys do that, Like Mahomes makes a lot of 1018 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 4: mistakes and Josh Allen is leading the league of interceptions right now, 1019 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 4: but he's also leading the league in touchdowns. Like like, 1020 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 4: sometimes you have guys like that that just make so 1021 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 4: many big plays. You got to live with mistakes because 1022 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 4: they're going to make for every every ten of those 1023 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 4: threading the needles, one of them is going to get picked, 1024 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 4: you know. And I remember Tom Tom Jackson used to 1025 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 4: get made fun of it. I always appreciated Brett Fare's 1026 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 4: willingness to throw an interception. He's never afraid to throw 1027 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 4: an interception. And that's what he's talking about. That's how 1028 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 4: you win three m VP's in a row, you know, 1029 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 4: because you're making so many plays. Yeah, and you know, 1030 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 4: at the at the end, you can't live with the mistakes. 1031 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 4: And then you've got to figure out the time and 1032 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 4: place when the risk reward is worth it or not. 1033 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,959 Speaker 1: All right, A five five pats, five hundred a ticket 1034 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: hot line. Let's get to the phones. We'll start with 1035 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: Patty and Agauan. What's up, Patty? 1036 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 10: What's up everyone? Hey, just a couple questions. I'll take 1037 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 10: them off the air. The first question I have is 1038 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 10: I heard Jason mccordyon Tommy Kurns podcast and he had 1039 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 10: said that three offensive coordinators in three years for MAC 1040 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 10: is kind of a recipe for a disaster. So the 1041 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 10: first question is kind of tongue in cheek. Is it 1042 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 10: possible that Josh McDaniel two franchises back a few years 1043 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 10: by by leaving after the twenty twenty one season, And 1044 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 10: if they do move on from Bill this year, and 1045 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 10: I hope Billy O'Brien doesn't, is not a one and done. 1046 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 10: But if he is, I understand. I love Billy. Oh, 1047 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 10: but do you bring Josh back because the odds with 1048 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 10: him like going on to be a head coach somewhere 1049 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 10: else is I don't think exists. And my fear is 1050 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 10: that if they do draft a quarterback, you know, Bill 1051 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 10: O'Brien is here for next year, how much longer do 1052 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 10: you have him for? And put me in the camp 1053 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 10: of Will Greer? But I just like to see what 1054 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 10: he can do, and that's all I guy. 1055 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 9: I'll take it off. 1056 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 7: Here just I like his beard. I don't know put 1057 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 7: him in I. 1058 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: Mean the whole three three coordinators in three years. I 1059 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: get that you know, it can be a bad thing 1060 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: for a quarterback. Yeah, but when you look at that 1061 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: play on Sunday, that has nothing to do with the coordinator, 1062 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I think Bill O'Brien was 1063 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: bulls at him, because Mac, the plays are there, right, 1064 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: This is not play calling. It's also there's. 1065 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 4: Also one system in three years. Yeah, and that to me, 1066 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 4: And I asked. 1067 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 7: Specifically the Alabama connection. 1068 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 4: I asked some of the offensive linemen and my buddy 1069 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 4: James Ferns, I told you I talked to him in 1070 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 4: the preseason. Jimmy, you know, we're close. He said that 1071 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 4: it's basically the same exact system you know, for all 1072 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 4: three years now. Yes, that didn't help having three different voices, 1073 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 4: and it certainly did not help having a defensive coordinator 1074 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,439 Speaker 4: who didn't understand sequential plays and whatnot and flat out 1075 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 4: didn't have the answers to a lot of the questions. 1076 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 4: I'm not telling you that this was ideal, but it 1077 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 4: was largely the same system that he played in for 1078 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 4: three years. 1079 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you said it, Paul, he was he was 1080 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 6: He was better last year, you know, like, and so 1081 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 6: you know, I'm not I'm never going to absolve that 1082 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 6: whole situation of last year. But this is part of 1083 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 6: me that wonders, like, was it more more mac than 1084 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 6: we want to admit at this point? 1085 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't like the idea of bringing Josh 1086 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 4: McDaniels back now because I don't think he's really good 1087 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 4: at what he does. I think he can be an 1088 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 4: effective offensive coordinator. I agree with Patty. I don't think 1089 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 4: he's going to get another head coaching job, but I 1090 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 4: just want to kind of start fresh and do it, 1091 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 4: do it different. 1092 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: But if you're Bill Belichick in your here, do you 1093 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: if you think Bill would want to bring him back. 1094 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't think so. 1095 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 7: I don't think. 1096 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: Don't you think it's to him? It's it's one less 1097 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: thing he has to worry about. I know what Josh wants. 1098 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 4: So are you saying like if O'Brien leaves, Yeah, well, 1099 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 4: if Belichick stayed and O'Brien left, then you could talk 1100 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 4: me into it. Now, if I were McDaniel's, i'd go 1101 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 4: somewhere else. I'd go to Buffalo. I'd call McDermott right now. 1102 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,439 Speaker 7: I like that. 1103 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 4: I'd call McDermott right now. So you want me to 1104 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 4: come in, I can help me come on, I think 1105 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 4: I think my buddy Bert brought that up. 1106 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: He's been sitting on ice since that last game McDermott 1107 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: because he's got to cool off that that red ass. 1108 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's it's so funny, pretty read right now? 1109 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 4: Can I give you? Can you guys know, I like 1110 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 4: Josh Allen, so I like to give you the Buffalo 1111 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 4: mint and every once in a while. But yeah, all year, 1112 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 4: all all season, all I've heard is the Bills offense 1113 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 4: is broken. It's way too reliant on Josh Allen. Right, 1114 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 4: so now they fire the offensive coordinator and everybody's like 1115 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 4: the Bills are first in EPA and their second in 1116 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 4: yards per pass, And Josh Allen said to listen, I've 1117 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 4: been watching the games. The Bills offenses is a shell 1118 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 4: of its former self. It didn't look anything like it 1119 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 4: normally did when we played them here, and they still 1120 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 4: scored twenty five points or whatever it was. And I 1121 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 4: just don't understand how anybody could defend what that offense 1122 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 4: has come to look like under Ken Dorsey. Now you 1123 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 4: could tell me that maybe the guy didn't deserve to 1124 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 4: get fired in the middle of the season, and he's 1125 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 4: a scapegoat and I'd probably say, yeah, you're probably right, 1126 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 4: but that offense is broke. Yeah, Like the only way 1127 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 4: they have any success offensively is when Josh Allen makes 1128 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 4: a superhuman play two digs like that's it. They don't 1129 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 4: run the ball as much as they should. They don't 1130 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 4: throw the ball with any kind of deception. It's just 1131 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,919 Speaker 4: like uh Olasky had a thing of him, like look 1132 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 4: at this. They just had him sitting in the in 1133 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 4: the shotgun. They don't even have a like a facacta 1134 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,879 Speaker 4: fake on his own read nothing. And I also think 1135 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 4: that his shoulder is definitely bothering him more than people 1136 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 4: say A. 1137 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 7: Quick question for you. 1138 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 6: I keep thinking about this with Ken Dorsey. I remember 1139 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 6: when he came in as quarterback for Miami, and I 1140 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 6: feel like he replaced somebody who was really good, Like 1141 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 6: maybe it was one of those early two thousands Miami team, 1142 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 6: but I remember looking at him. 1143 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 4: Being like, who's this guy? Like he doesn't look I 1144 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 4: didn't feel the same thing that you. 1145 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 6: Yet I believe he had come in after that crazy 1146 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 6: Miami run that they don't. 1147 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,439 Speaker 4: I don't remember you, but he had, And I think 1148 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 4: I'd have to look this up, but I think it 1149 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 4: was him. I think he played for San Francisco, and 1150 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 4: I think he had the single worst quarterbacking performance that 1151 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 4: I've seen in that says a lot. We had Cleo 1152 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 4: Lemon here, we had Tyler Palko here, we had a 1153 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 4: lot of real who's that guy? Luke Falk? Is that him? 1154 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1155 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 4: Luke Falk for the Jets. We had some really Bryce 1156 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 4: Petty Bryce Petty for the Jets. We had some really 1157 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 4: bad performances here against some really great Patriots teams. Ken Dorsey, 1158 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 4: I believe, in like four for the Niners was throwing 1159 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 4: darts straight into the ground, unlike anything I've ever seen. 1160 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 7: I think did Ken Dorsey replace at Miami? Do you 1161 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 7: remember you're just a baby? 1162 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 5: Never mind, come on, I have a I do have 1163 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 5: a Ken Dorsey take. But we can do that after. 1164 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: All, right, as you can see. 1165 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 3: And then has we turned? And has we turned? Has 1166 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,959 Speaker 3: we turned? 1167 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 1: All right? Evan? 1168 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 5: All right, Well, we'll start with attendance, as we always do. 1169 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 5: But some interesting factoids that aren't attendants related. So uh no, 1170 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 5: Trent Brown still ankle slashed personal and I'm not saying 1171 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 5: that's official. I'm just saying that's what it was last time. 1172 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 5: Last week and no time Montgomery unknown reason from time 1173 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 5: Montgomery did see him in the lock him yesterday. Uh 1174 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 5: so I don't know what's going on there, but you know, 1175 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 5: Hasty Uh it kind of plays a similar role to 1176 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 5: him running back. 1177 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,280 Speaker 7: They made a hasty decision. 1178 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: Maybe jeez. 1179 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 5: Maybe, Uh you know, I think a lot of people 1180 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 5: out there today talking a lot about Michael Carter as 1181 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 5: a potential Patriots claim as well. 1182 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: I did like that. 1183 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 5: So maybe maybe some shuffling at the depth spots at 1184 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,919 Speaker 5: running back with thy Montgomery. I'm just speculating, maybe he's sick. 1185 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1186 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 7: I'd like to bring a receiving back. 1187 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 4: Can I ask you, Miguel question. Sure, if you claim 1188 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 4: a guy off waivers, you required to keep him for 1189 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 4: a length at the time. It's not like the practice squad, right. 1190 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 5: Yeah you are, it's three weeks, I think. Yeah. 1191 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you're saying that they didn't with Hasty and 1192 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 4: they might wanted to swap out. 1193 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 5: I was, yeah, yea half when I don't listen, Yeah, yes, 1194 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 5: I so Hasty. He's been a kick returner in the past, 1195 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 5: He's played a little bit of running back, so maybe 1196 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 5: he's somebody that is similar in type to tie Montgomery. 1197 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 7: There's no ways jack as time Montgomery is, but maybe 1198 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 7: he's as. 1199 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 5: Good anyways in the attendance category. 1200 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: J C. 1201 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 5: Jackson was there, So he's back at Patriots practice as 1202 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 5: is Riley Reef. You are allowed to come back twice. 1203 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 5: So he's John snowing it right now, I know, and 1204 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 5: he keeps saying he can't kill him. 1205 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:23,720 Speaker 4: Was promised. 1206 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 5: So Riley reeve back at practice this week. I don't 1207 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 5: believe would count towards the the IR clock because they 1208 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 5: don't have a game, but the IR clock is still 1209 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 5: nonetheless officially begun again for the second time for Riley Reef. 1210 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 6: Do you think he's the left tackle after the bye? 1211 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 5: No, I think that they've kind of put him in 1212 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 5: as guard penciled from now on. I don't know, not 1213 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 5: left guard, No, I wish No, I don't. I don't know. 1214 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 5: I think that they're they're looking for some interior depth there, 1215 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 5: maybe him coming back a little bit. He actually looked 1216 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 5: good in the game. What game is it that he 1217 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 5: got hurt in New Orleans? I want to say, or 1218 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 5: he played pretty well in the game until he gott Yeah, 1219 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 5: last thing we did get period one, so we did 1220 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 5: see some drills and Mac Jones led off all the 1221 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 5: drills with the quarterbacks, so they were cycling through. Look, 1222 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 5: he threw some great passes against Arab Mike. 1223 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: It was really right. 1224 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,240 Speaker 4: You're getting me ready. 1225 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 7: I'm telling you, I'm excited. 1226 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 4: Put my head at tebow. 1227 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 5: Yeah. If I had to say, like, who was the 1228 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 5: quote unquote starting quarterback at practice today, it would have 1229 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,280 Speaker 5: been maximum forty eight degrees. 1230 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: Were people How were people dressed in terms of the meeting. 1231 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 5: Oh, we were bundled up. We had coats on fred 1232 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 5: because it's getting chilly out there. And you know, this 1233 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 5: is really what separates the men from the boys. When 1234 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 5: you're two and eight and it's the bye week and 1235 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 5: it's freezing. Who's out there at practice and who is it? 1236 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: Right? 1237 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 5: Those are the dedicated people, and I will will say 1238 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 5: I'm not going to name names, but it was a 1239 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 5: lighter contingent out there today, which tells you that some 1240 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 5: people are just deciding to let go of the rope. 1241 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 4: And that don't worry. Don't worry everybody. When we have 1242 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 4: a break, When my lunch comes and we have our break, 1243 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 4: Evan will tell me. 1244 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: And then and then. 1245 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 5: Went back out what everybody I refer to who was 1246 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 5: or was I'm just saying, you know, no, bye week 1247 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 5: here on Patriots Unfiltered three shows this week. 1248 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: And would you say, would you say the players had 1249 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: bounced in their step? 1250 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I would not. 1251 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 4: I would not. 1252 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 5: I would not describe it as bounce step shells. 1253 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:36,439 Speaker 1: Yep. 1254 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 5: I think they were in full pads. 1255 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? 1256 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I feel confident in saying that. 1257 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 4: Huh yeah. 1258 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 7: But they're not that bad. 1259 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,879 Speaker 1: All right, Well that's your practice report there. 1260 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 5: You're welcome. 1261 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're off tomorrow and Friday. 1262 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, through Sunday. They'll be back in the building 1263 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,280 Speaker 5: on Monday. We're supposed to get assistant coaches. 1264 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 7: It's going to be a new depth chart. Hung up. 1265 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Matthew in New Mexico. Oh Matthew, dang, 1266 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,360 Speaker 1: he was looking for Hardy. 1267 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to go to line line down. 1268 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,439 Speaker 1: Justin to Virginia. What's up? Justin? 1269 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 5: Hey? 1270 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 11: What's going on? 1271 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 6: Guys? 1272 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:12,839 Speaker 1: Hey? 1273 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,359 Speaker 11: So I wanted to talk to you guys about Ken 1274 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 11: Dorsey in the build a little bit. 1275 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 4: I have. 1276 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 11: So when you're five and five, is that really a 1277 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,320 Speaker 11: time that you should be like firing offensive coordinator and 1278 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 11: they're good, yes, like they're not playing good right now. Yeah, 1279 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 11: but they're five and five. 1280 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: Well that's no. 1281 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 4: I think that's the perfect time to do it. If 1282 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 4: you're like two and eight, it doesn't matter. It's it's 1283 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 4: like a sacrificial land for ice. We think we're five 1284 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 4: and five and we're underachieving. That's what we think, and 1285 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 4: we think that we have potential to be better. Like 1286 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 4: Fred and I have our joke right, every game, no, 1287 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 4: every game, it's you know, uh, fifteen and two is 1288 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 4: still on the table. Well, twelve and five is still 1289 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 4: on the table for Buffalo. I don't think they're going 1290 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 4: to go twelve and five, but they legitimately have the 1291 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 4: capability of winning seven in a row. So that's I 1292 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,319 Speaker 4: think when you make a move like that, if you 1293 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 4: think the guy's not doing his job right and you. 1294 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,279 Speaker 1: Have a I assume they're going to elevate somebody for 1295 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: that's the plan. 1296 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe Brady, Joe Brady, who's called plays in the 1297 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 5: NFL before. 1298 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you got somebody waiting. 1299 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was breathing down his neck for a 1300 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 5: little bit, now, you know, Joe Brady was brought in 1301 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 5: to be the quarterbacks coach. He's been an offensive coordinator 1302 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,840 Speaker 5: in the league in the past. Honestly, my take on 1303 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 5: Ken Dorsey is two things. One, if you told me 1304 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 5: that Matt Patricia is coordinating that offense, I would have 1305 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 5: believed you, Like that is as basic and as predictable 1306 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 5: of an offense as there is in the NFL right now. 1307 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,440 Speaker 5: And I'm not Josh Allen's a turnover machine regardless, but 1308 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 5: when you're asking him to just create and make everything 1309 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 5: happen without any window dressing. 1310 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,840 Speaker 4: All their success is all predicated on Josh Allen being Superman. 1311 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1312 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 5: And Stefan Diggs yeah yeah. And they they run, you know, 1313 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 5: there's they're formationally predictable, like you know if they're in 1314 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 5: certain formations that they're running certain plays. They've been really 1315 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,319 Speaker 5: really good under center all year long, and they never 1316 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 5: go under center. They always just put him in the gun, 1317 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 5: spread the field and ask Josh Allen to just drop 1318 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 5: dimes all over the place. But I think in the 1319 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 5: big picture sentence, Ken Dorsey is a good litmus test 1320 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,799 Speaker 5: of if you have a defensive minded head coach, then 1321 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 5: you're going to keep recycling through offensive coordinators, and if 1322 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,839 Speaker 5: you don't hire the right guy, then that can really 1323 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 5: put you back. And maybe that guy, even if it 1324 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 5: is the right guy, and Brian Dables case, he's just 1325 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 5: going to get hired away to be a head coach. 1326 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 5: And now a guy that I think is a top 1327 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 5: five quarterback on talent alone, and Josh Allen it looks 1328 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 5: like a shell of himself because the coordinator has messed 1329 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 5: him up. So it's a big indictment I think on 1330 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 5: the whole thing of you know, when you have a 1331 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 5: defensive minded head coach, it's really hard to stick and 1332 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,280 Speaker 5: stay ahead of the schedule on offense. 1333 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: I agree with Paul, this is the time to change 1334 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: your coordinator if you don't think you're gonna get there 1335 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,800 Speaker 1: with the guy and you have somebody in waiting. There's 1336 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 1: still a chance for that team to get to the playoffs. 1337 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, like I wouldn't see that. 1338 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 4: I wouldn't bother doing it unless a guy was being 1339 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 4: insubordinate or something, But I wouldn't bother doing it. Like 1340 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien doesn't need to get fired now because you're 1341 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 4: two and eight and your offense can't. 1342 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 7: What's the point. 1343 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 4: What's the point yeah, but they have something that they 1344 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 4: think that they can make a change and it might 1345 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 4: light a spark. 1346 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: Tony's writing in he said, we used to debate Bill 1347 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: verus Tom. Now the question is Bill verus Mack. Did 1348 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: Bill ruin Mack? Or was Mac just never good? 1349 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 4: Whatever? 1350 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: The answer is, I think they both need to be 1351 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: gone so that a true rebuild can begin next year. 1352 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to throw money at mediocre free agency 1353 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: get back to five hundred. I want to bottom out 1354 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: for a few years and collect talent, then try to 1355 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 1: fit the pieces together later. They don't get may this year, 1356 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: take a late round quarterback and start zappy. Next year, 1357 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: suck again and try the next year. I think as 1358 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: long this Bill is here, people will expect to compete, 1359 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: and that is just not realistic in the near future. 1360 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: To me, move on, reset expectations and Bill for the future, 1361 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: not for now. 1362 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 5: I have I really a couple of years. They don't 1363 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 5: need to stink for a couple of years, like we 1364 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 5: can this is your you stunk this year, like this 1365 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 5: is the one mulligan that you have. I don't think 1366 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 5: you need to go ahead. But to the first part, 1367 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 5: the answer is yes, Like Bill Belichick ruined Mac Jones, 1368 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 5: and Mac Jones probably just wasn't all that good to begin. 1369 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 4: The Okay, I don't know why that can be so 1370 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 4: difficult for people, but it is. And I'm not criticizing 1371 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 4: the the email because I think he nails it. I 1372 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 4: think there is sort of a debate, you know, who's 1373 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 4: who's more to blame. Can we just make it fifty 1374 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 4: to fifty. I think they made a lot of missteps 1375 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 4: in handling a young quarterback, and the young quarterback didn't 1376 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 4: handle any of that well, any of it right from 1377 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 4: the like the second I still have visions of that 1378 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 4: New Orlean's game when Bill had to carry him off 1379 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 4: the bench that he was so devastated with his breathing exercise. 1380 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: We used to say, you know, Bill, Chick and Brady 1381 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: each made the other greater, and Mac each made. 1382 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 4: You continue to be me. You could drop Fred. 1383 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,919 Speaker 5: It's a good point because like when you look at 1384 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 5: Mac like you thought that he would handle Belichick well 1385 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 5: because of Nick Saban and that was sort of the 1386 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 5: thought process. Oh, it's like the same kind of coach. 1387 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 5: He did not handle the coaching well here at all. 1388 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: Not so like. 1389 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 4: Even the first year when everything was quote unquote good. 1390 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 4: There were signs that it wasn't great, and then you know, 1391 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 4: I think the missteps that Bill made after that obviously contributed. 1392 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,120 Speaker 4: But again I've said this a million times. Yeah, bad move, 1393 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, special teams guy, they're going to be running 1394 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 4: your offense. Bad move, get it right? How did he 1395 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 4: respond to it? Like as far back as June before 1396 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 4: the state. 1397 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 5: Part as your number one receiver, bad move, Trent Brown 1398 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 5: is your best tackle? 1399 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 6: Maybe just a quick tease for after the break. But 1400 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 6: something that's just been on my mind is the Texans 1401 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 6: their offensive success because Fred having a defensive coach. 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Visit Verizon dot com for details. 1441 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 4: What's up, everybody, Maddie here? 1442 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 8: Mac Jones was on Jones and Mego with our Ken 1443 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,360 Speaker 8: yesterday on ninety three point seven Wei here in Boston. 1444 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what he had to. 1445 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 13: Say, Mac, How we doing this week? Thanks so much 1446 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 13: for calling in. 1447 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 14: I'm good. 1448 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 9: How are you? 1449 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 15: We're doing well. We've talked about this a lot as 1450 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 15: a show. I think a lot of fans discussed this 1451 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 15: as well. Your Pro Bowl alternate, your rookie year now 1452 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,160 Speaker 15: on Sunday, your bench for the third time this year. 1453 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 15: It was a self proclaimed terrible throw, was your final 1454 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 15: throw against Indianapolis, and a lot of us, myself included, 1455 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 15: want to know what happened to that guy from your 1456 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,520 Speaker 15: rookie season. 1457 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you know everyone's frustrated, and you know, 1458 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 14: obviously I am too, and there's a lot of things 1459 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 14: that you know, I wish I could do better, and 1460 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,280 Speaker 14: I've kind of identified those things and that's where it 1461 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 14: all starts, and I know I'm going to put the 1462 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 14: work in to do it and I get the momentum 1463 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 14: moving in the right direction. So obviously that's a big 1464 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 14: picture kind of what you put laid out there, but 1465 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 14: at the end of the day, I have to focus 1466 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,720 Speaker 14: on the small picture and figure out what I can 1467 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:26,120 Speaker 14: do better. 1468 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 15: So again, if we're trying to figure out what what 1469 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 15: the changes are, is it a lack of confidence? Because 1470 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 15: from the outside looking in, that's how it feels. I 1471 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,920 Speaker 15: know a lot of athletes don't want. 1472 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 4: To say that. 1473 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 15: A lot of us in our our our professional lives 1474 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 15: don't want to say that or admit that, but that 1475 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,920 Speaker 15: is what it looks like. Is confidence an issue for you? 1476 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 14: But I think my confidence comes from my discipline and 1477 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 14: all the things I've done throughout the years just to 1478 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 14: you know, gain that, and of course at times as 1479 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,360 Speaker 14: an athlete that's going to be challenged. But at the 1480 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,400 Speaker 14: end of the day, I need to have confidence in myself. 1481 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,200 Speaker 14: That's like the root of the word, right, it's confidence. 1482 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 14: It's belief in yourself and others. So that's kind of 1483 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 14: what I what I know about confidence, and that comes 1484 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 14: from putting the work in and being prepared. So I 1485 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 14: do both of those things, and I need to continue 1486 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 14: to be confident. 1487 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,959 Speaker 16: Mac that final play of the first half, it looked 1488 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 16: like it was going to be a hail mary opportunity 1489 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 16: for you, and after the game, when asked about it, 1490 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 16: you said something along the lines of you have no 1491 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 16: clue why it wasn't called that way. Did you get 1492 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 16: any explanation since then about why there wasn't a hail 1493 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,440 Speaker 16: mary play called there? 1494 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,240 Speaker 14: I think I was just explaining, like the situation and 1495 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,320 Speaker 14: that wasn't necessarily gonna be about the call. It's just 1496 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 14: it's like, what do you want to run there? There's 1497 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 14: a couple options, but at the end of the day, 1498 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,880 Speaker 14: we had to get sixty yards in two seconds, so 1499 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 14: it's kind of hard. You know, any play that you 1500 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,280 Speaker 14: call it's going to be hard to get that. So definitely, 1501 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,840 Speaker 14: you know, we talked about the different situations that we 1502 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 14: could do and you just learn from it and move on. 1503 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,120 Speaker 16: Would you would you have liked the opportunity to air 1504 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,080 Speaker 16: it out there and take a chance. 1505 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean sure, Mac. 1506 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 4: After the game, did. 1507 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 17: You go to get an X ray? I did, and 1508 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,240 Speaker 17: can you tell us what it's said? 1509 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:20,560 Speaker 14: Nothing? 1510 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 17: Nothing, So you're not going to be rehabbing an injury 1511 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 17: or anything like that on this bye week. 1512 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:26,640 Speaker 1: No? 1513 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 4: Okay? 1514 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 17: Uh, you said after the game that you were dealing 1515 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 17: with something. 1516 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Was it something physical? 1517 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 11: Yeah? 1518 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 14: I think you know, in a game, there's things that 1519 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,320 Speaker 14: popped up, but like I said, there's nothing, nothing serious 1520 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 14: that caused any issues. 1521 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 15: Patriots quarterback Mac Jones joining us here on w E 1522 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 15: E I as he does each and every week. Have 1523 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 15: you been told you're the starting quarterback of the New 1524 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,080 Speaker 15: England Patriots for the next game, Week twelve against the Giants. 1525 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,160 Speaker 14: No, we haven't talked about that really. Just today we 1526 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,240 Speaker 14: watched the game film and kind of talked about the 1527 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 14: plans for the bye week. So we have practice tomorrow, 1528 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,960 Speaker 14: so just to see how it goes there, and you know, 1529 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 14: the bye week's a great time to work on things 1530 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 14: that you can do better. So that's what I'm going 1531 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 14: to do. 1532 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 13: When would you expect to get that answer? 1533 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 14: I really am not focusing on that and really just 1534 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,200 Speaker 14: focusing on, you know, things I can control and focused 1535 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 14: on that. I've always done that, and I really need 1536 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,360 Speaker 14: to improve, obviously, and that's what I'm going to focus on. 1537 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,440 Speaker 16: Mac. The camera's cut a moment on the sidelines where 1538 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 16: it looked like you were having or you were just 1539 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,320 Speaker 16: getting some heated words from Bill O'Brien. How has your 1540 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,160 Speaker 16: relationship with him as your offensive coordinator changed over this year. 1541 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,320 Speaker 14: It's good, Like I always have had coaches and who 1542 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,000 Speaker 14: expect a lot of their players, and I love that. 1543 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 14: So there's a good relationship there and I have no 1544 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 14: issues with him. 1545 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 17: Have you ever been taken out of a game in 1546 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,600 Speaker 17: that situation before where it was still sort of close 1547 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 17: like that? I mean, we obviously saw the other games 1548 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 17: where it was the game had gotten away. Had that 1549 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 17: ever happened before? You ever seen that before? 1550 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 15: No, I'm curious because the camera's caught you Mac kind 1551 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 15: of given like a fist bump or wapping up Bailey 1552 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,640 Speaker 15: Zappy going into the game. 1553 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 13: What was the message that you gave to him? If anything? 1554 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 14: Yeah, I talked to all the guys and look, I've 1555 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 14: been on a different teams and I've been in different roles, 1556 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 14: and I know one thing. I want to win, So 1557 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 14: I know that those guys wanted to win, and you know, 1558 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,200 Speaker 14: as a leader of the team, my job is to 1559 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 14: encourage everybody and let them know that, you know, we 1560 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 14: can win this game still, and we've been in a 1561 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 14: lot of games this year that are one one score 1562 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 14: or less games and that's important, right to know that 1563 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,640 Speaker 14: we can still go out there and win regardless of 1564 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 14: all the stuff that's happened. You know, I talked about momentum. 1565 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,400 Speaker 14: I think momentum can be great and those types of situations. 1566 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,320 Speaker 14: So obviously it didn't happen, but at the end of 1567 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:05,880 Speaker 14: the day, I was going to give the support to 1568 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 14: my teammates. 1569 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: Mac. 1570 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,440 Speaker 16: We saw a report today just on Twitter that Robert 1571 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 16: Kraft was spotted in the locker room. What kind of 1572 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,840 Speaker 16: support are you feeling from ownership these days? 1573 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,600 Speaker 14: Yeah, I have a great relationship with mister Kraft and 1574 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,640 Speaker 14: I have a lot of respect for him and his 1575 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,080 Speaker 14: family and what they've built here at the Patriots, and 1576 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 14: I want nothing more than to try and get this 1577 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,440 Speaker 14: thing back on the right track for them and for 1578 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 14: the Patriots and the fans and everybody. So I have 1579 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,840 Speaker 14: a lot of respect for them. What they've built, and 1580 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,560 Speaker 14: I need to do a better job of being the 1581 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 14: quarterback of the team. 1582 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 17: Matt I asked Matthew Slater something similar. But we know 1583 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,480 Speaker 17: the game didn't go the way you wanted it to. 1584 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 17: How was the trip for your team? Is it something 1585 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,240 Speaker 17: that sort of brought you guys together? Did you feel 1586 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,040 Speaker 17: like maybe you needed to be brought together a little bit? 1587 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:50,960 Speaker 4: How was how was all that. 1588 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:53,360 Speaker 1: That was good? 1589 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 14: I enjoyed Germany. I thought, you know, the fans that 1590 01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 14: were great. And obviously football is an internet actional game now, 1591 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 14: so it was great to be out there with my 1592 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 14: teammates and the coaches and everybody. So obviously we want 1593 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 14: to win. I'm going to come home with the win, 1594 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,160 Speaker 14: which we didn't, and that was the most frustrating part. 1595 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,640 Speaker 14: But I did enjoy making some of the memories with 1596 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,439 Speaker 14: my teammates and coaches and my family and everybody, so 1597 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:18,120 Speaker 14: it was cool. 1598 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 15: Quarterback Question of the Week is brought to you by 1599 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,000 Speaker 15: Northeast Men's Health, the Experts and Men's Sexual Health with 1600 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,080 Speaker 15: officers in Debna, Marlborough, Wooburn and Salem, New Hampshire. You 1601 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 15: can visit Northeast Men'shealth dot com. Uh you were asked 1602 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 15: in Germany Mac about working with a mental coach, and 1603 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,800 Speaker 15: you confirm that you've had a few different people that 1604 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,439 Speaker 15: you've worked with since you were young. Is that is 1605 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 15: that a sports psychologist? Is it something less formal than that, 1606 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 15: and how did that come about? 1607 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:44,960 Speaker 9: Yeah? 1608 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:49,679 Speaker 14: I think the biggest thing is is everyone that plays sports, 1609 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 14: you know, had someone in their life that can impact that. 1610 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,519 Speaker 14: And I'm definitely been fortunate to have people that have 1611 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 14: helped me. 1612 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 13: Is that part of your routine like a like a 1613 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,519 Speaker 13: weekly thing or is that as needed? 1614 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,559 Speaker 14: Yeah, I have a good routine, so I definitely keep 1615 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 14: that weekly and make sure I stay on top of 1616 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,160 Speaker 14: it and a lot stuff. 1617 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,120 Speaker 16: Matt, going into this bye week, you're third now as 1618 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,920 Speaker 16: a pro. Do you have any different approach to this 1619 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,240 Speaker 16: particular bye week than ones in the past. 1620 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 14: I don't know yet. I think, like I said, I'm 1621 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 14: still focused on having a good day tomorrow and having 1622 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 14: a good practice, and I'm trying to iron out some 1623 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,760 Speaker 14: of the things that I can do better. So I 1624 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,080 Speaker 14: put a lot of thought into it, but my mind's 1625 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 14: always on football and that will never change. 1626 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:39,519 Speaker 4: All right. 1627 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 15: He's Patriots quarterback Mac Jones. He joins us every week 1628 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,680 Speaker 15: here on Jones and mego with Arkan on we e I, Mac, 1629 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 15: we appreciate the time, enjoy the bye week, and we'll 1630 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:48,559 Speaker 15: talk to you soon. 1631 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no, 1632 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery, 1633 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,120 Speaker 18: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where 1634 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery. 1635 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,840 Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in. 1636 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:10,559 Speaker 1: History. 1637 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 4: I don't think that Matthew Stafford's a sure thing right now. 1638 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,400 Speaker 4: And you know, I like Matthew Stafford than Fred's gonna 1639 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,840 Speaker 4: make fun of me, but you love it. I think 1640 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,200 Speaker 4: if you get him in, you can find out exactly 1641 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 4: what you have with Baker Mayfie. Guess in the last 1642 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,320 Speaker 4: five weeks this is a guy I think could really 1643 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,720 Speaker 4: thrive in my offense. Oh, this is a guy that 1644 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 4: he's not a fit. 1645 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 1: I guess. If you're saying that Stafford's not a sure thing, 1646 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,200 Speaker 1: then okay, yeah, But. 1647 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,519 Speaker 4: I mean, how can you say Stafford's a sure thing? 1648 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. The injury was that, like he was 1649 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: out for possibly out for twenty twenty three. 1650 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, he's not going to be out 1651 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,479 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty three, he may decide I'm not playing anymore. 1652 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, either way, like that a sure thing. 1653 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,080 Speaker 9: Like. 1654 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,799 Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm not saying that there's any reports 1655 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 4: that say that Matthew Stafford might not play next year. 1656 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 4: I'm saying the guy's in his late thirties and has 1657 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,160 Speaker 4: a spy contusion. I think he might say, you know what, 1658 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,639 Speaker 4: I got lucky, I'm getting out. 1659 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840 Speaker 1: So he's not a sure thing. So in mcveigh's in 1660 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,839 Speaker 1: mcvay's mine, he's not sure he's making me a report. 1661 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 4: I'm not reporting McMath. 1662 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,479 Speaker 13: That's another great moment from. 1663 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 1: All right back here and Patriots on Filter at eight 1664 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,840 Speaker 1: five to five. PATS five hundred is the a stick 1665 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,599 Speaker 1: and outline web radio at Patriots dot Com. Been talking 1666 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 1: about Mac, talking about Bill. We haven't really talked about 1667 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,880 Speaker 1: like the role of GM. Cod from Denver has an 1668 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,439 Speaker 1: interesting email. He says, put me down for starting zappy 1669 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,559 Speaker 1: post by. I don't expect or want to win much 1670 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: more with him. I'm just exhausted watching Mac. At this point, 1671 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,080 Speaker 1: we've talked a bit about head coach candidates like Johnson 1672 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,920 Speaker 1: and b Enemy. I'd like to discuss GM candidates and 1673 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on a couple, folks. I love three people. 1674 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,200 Speaker 1: One Ian Cunningham, assistant GMBAR since twenty twenty two, groomed 1675 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 1: by Ozzie Newsom with the Eagles from twenty nineteen to 1676 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I like this fella because of the 1677 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,639 Speaker 1: aggressive team building of the Eagles and the Bears since 1678 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,280 Speaker 1: he joined them. 1679 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 5: I also want to hire somebody from the Bears. 1680 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I also liked that his team was successful in their 1681 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,439 Speaker 1: evaluation of Jalen Hurts. 1682 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 6: Does he say Ozzie knew some for the Eagles? 1683 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,840 Speaker 1: No, we worked. He was roomed by so and then 1684 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:18,879 Speaker 1: he went to the Eagles. 1685 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 4: I don't know much about Ian Cunningham a full disclosure. 1686 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,240 Speaker 4: My guess is just from that resume that he just 1687 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,599 Speaker 4: gave us. Why wouldn't he still be in Philly? 1688 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't. 1689 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 5: I'm all set on taking people from the Bears. 1690 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,720 Speaker 1: The second person is Adam Peters. Remember him? 1691 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1692 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Now this one I assistant GM forty nine Ers since 1693 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,679 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Another Ozzie guy. I like this candidate because 1694 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 1: of the aggressive style of forty nine Ers despite their 1695 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,080 Speaker 1: failures at quarterback. 1696 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,920 Speaker 5: So he would be my leading candidate. But The issue 1697 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,800 Speaker 5: is is that you have to pay him. You have 1698 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,679 Speaker 5: to beat out the competition for somebody like him, because 1699 01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,759 Speaker 5: he's going to have suitors. 1700 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 14: Yeah. 1701 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 5: I mean everybody's going to hire anybody from San Francisco 1702 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,960 Speaker 5: at this point. But now would be my number one guy? 1703 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,479 Speaker 4: Can I ask this? Is this still the same email? 1704 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1705 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,479 Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead? Continue. 1706 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,920 Speaker 1: Three is Catherine Raichie sistant GM Brown since twenty twenty 1707 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: two and also with the Eagles from nineteen to twenty two. 1708 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I like her for the same reasons as mister Cunningham. 1709 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,800 Speaker 1: I covered the Eagle style and their success. Would be 1710 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: cool to have the first woman GM selected based on 1711 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: merit in NFL history. The only other one was the 1712 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,040 Speaker 1: daughter of the Eagles owner in the eighties. 1713 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:32,639 Speaker 7: That's interesting. 1714 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I like the direction we're talking though about 1715 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,320 Speaker 6: just generally with those teams that you know, I've just 1716 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 6: had a lot of success acquiring talent through a variety 1717 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 6: of means and haven't really. 1718 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 4: Been in San Francisco. I agree with the email or 1719 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,120 Speaker 4: those are the kind of pipelines you want to be tapping. 1720 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,599 Speaker 6: What about I like this is not a great example. 1721 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,360 Speaker 6: John Robinson. 1722 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,559 Speaker 7: Is he out there? Is he like somebody who he's 1723 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,400 Speaker 7: out there and around you. 1724 01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,600 Speaker 4: Can I can I ask this, you know, more so 1725 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,000 Speaker 4: because I don't I'm not as strong on candidates for 1726 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,160 Speaker 4: the for the GM, But can I ask you guys 1727 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,840 Speaker 4: your theory. Let's just say for argument's sake that it's 1728 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,320 Speaker 4: wipe and clean, they're starting over and the whole everybody's 1729 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,760 Speaker 4: no one's going to be back. Would you prefer that 1730 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,000 Speaker 4: Robert Kraft hire a GM who then hires the coach 1731 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,439 Speaker 4: or would you prefer the other way around the GM 1732 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 4: then the coach. 1733 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 5: I think you have to do it now, as all 1734 01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:21,360 Speaker 5: feel that way. 1735 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,519 Speaker 1: I know it's a tough one. Tell me who the 1736 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,960 Speaker 1: coach would be because I might want the I might 1737 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,639 Speaker 1: want that give the keys to one guy. Thing again, 1738 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know no thing. 1739 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,720 Speaker 5: If he if he deserves it, if he's you know, 1740 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,000 Speaker 5: I think that I think that what we've seen is 1741 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,519 Speaker 5: that that across the league there's really nobody else doing 1742 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,280 Speaker 5: that at a high level other than Bill, And now 1743 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,720 Speaker 5: it's not at a high level here anymore. I think 1744 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,720 Speaker 5: it's just there's too much work to be done, and 1745 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 5: if the coach is ultimately going to overrule the guys 1746 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 5: like macro that are that are putting in the grunt 1747 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,760 Speaker 5: work to put it all together. Then I just don't 1748 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,240 Speaker 5: really I see the point. Adam Peers is a good one, you. 1749 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Know, like in your scenario, if you hire the GM 1750 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 1: first and then he hires the coach, he's the coach's boss. Yeah, correct, 1751 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,360 Speaker 1: So that means you need a guy who's willing to 1752 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,080 Speaker 1: have a boss. 1753 01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,880 Speaker 7: How did they do it in San Francisco with with 1754 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,559 Speaker 7: Lynch and Shanahan? That was with Lynch? 1755 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,320 Speaker 5: Lynch was first, Yeah, Lynch was first. 1756 01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:17,639 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1757 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,240 Speaker 5: I think that's the bigger question too. With Peter's who 1758 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,639 Speaker 5: I love, but there's a lot of people that believe 1759 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,519 Speaker 5: that he's actually the one point in the strings in 1760 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,240 Speaker 5: San Francisco and John Lynch is more of that like overseer, 1761 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 5: you know, former player, right, like John Elway type. But 1762 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 5: the guy that's actually doing all the scouting is Adam Peters. 1763 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,320 Speaker 5: So I don't know how easy it's going to be 1764 01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 5: to get him out of And you can also. 1765 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 4: Do that depending on how you want to do it. 1766 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 4: I think there's more people that have say that you 1767 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,360 Speaker 4: don't know of, like like I think Andy Reid, but 1768 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 4: I didn't ask the question that way. Because I wanted 1769 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,960 Speaker 4: to make sure that one guy had the power. I 1770 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,120 Speaker 4: just thought that, you know, does it make more sense 1771 01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,679 Speaker 4: to identify a GM and get his coach or identify 1772 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 4: a coach and get his GM, regardless of how the 1773 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,760 Speaker 4: power structure is set up. You know, some guys like 1774 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,800 Speaker 4: want to coach, Like I think Pete Carroll just I 1775 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 4: think he's in charge of everything, but I think he 1776 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 4: lets Schneider do the GMing. Yeah, for lack of a 1777 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 4: better term, like it doesn't have to be like all 1778 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:24,920 Speaker 4: or nothing the way it is. 1779 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,880 Speaker 5: He I think that that's similar how it is in 1780 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,280 Speaker 5: Kansas City. I think I think Reid has the final 1781 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,240 Speaker 5: just the scout, like he's the head, He's the guy 1782 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,240 Speaker 5: that's running the personnel department. But Andy Reid, I think 1783 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,320 Speaker 5: is probably the one that says yes and no to 1784 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 5: the high level moves. 1785 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,599 Speaker 6: I think too, if you're at the like a full 1786 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,080 Speaker 6: rebuilt kind of mode, like you said, Paul, it makes 1787 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 6: sense to get a GM, a GM with a vision 1788 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 6: this is the kind of team we want. 1789 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,479 Speaker 7: These are the players, and then you know, try to 1790 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 7: find the coach to match that. But it's just a 1791 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,040 Speaker 7: lot of work to be done. 1792 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,599 Speaker 4: I just thought it was interesting. I heard them talking 1793 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 4: about it a little bit this morning on the radio 1794 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,639 Speaker 4: on one of my shows. Yeah, I don't know, because 1795 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 4: we it's been so long since we had to worry 1796 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 4: about it. 1797 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, are you going on the show today? 1798 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:05,519 Speaker 1: I am. 1799 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,640 Speaker 7: You're gonna ask Tony about his film study, his his 1800 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 7: All twenty two breakdowns. 1801 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,880 Speaker 4: Many more. He was also speaking at a banquet that 1802 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,120 Speaker 4: I have to go to it to night, so that'll 1803 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,400 Speaker 4: be fun. 1804 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:18,479 Speaker 1: But it's it's a it's a fascinating question because you know, 1805 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 1: for so long we've had one guy doing it all, 1806 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,760 Speaker 1: and now if he leaves, you have to hire two people. Yeah, 1807 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,120 Speaker 1: and the GM might be as tough for you know 1808 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,839 Speaker 1: or important, uh higher as the head coach, and you could. 1809 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,080 Speaker 4: Do it the way a lot of people have done 1810 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 4: it as a package deal, like you know, I was 1811 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,799 Speaker 4: just you know, like McDaniels. McDaniels went and he clearly 1812 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,280 Speaker 4: had Ziegeler uh in mind. You know, I don't know, 1813 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:43,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1814 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,760 Speaker 5: That's also like if you hire Peters from San Francisco, Like, 1815 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:51,000 Speaker 5: who's the Mike McDaniel currently on Kyle Shanahan's staff, and 1816 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,880 Speaker 5: then maybe he comes with Peters as like a package deal. 1817 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,720 Speaker 6: What about Dave Ziegler, is that, you know, another one 1818 01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,080 Speaker 6: of the retread options. 1819 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,720 Speaker 4: I would personally like to get away from me too. 1820 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,640 Speaker 4: You might not have a choice. I don't know. 1821 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,800 Speaker 6: It's at least intriguing of what he did when he 1822 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,800 Speaker 6: got there, and you know the movie is DeVante Adams. 1823 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 4: Those things I don't like, what Josh right, right, That's 1824 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,840 Speaker 4: that's why I just supposedly, and this is one of 1825 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,760 Speaker 4: those deals that I'm always skeptical when I see these 1826 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,960 Speaker 4: kinds of reports, But Ziegela was supposedly really anti the 1827 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,680 Speaker 4: Garoppolo signing, you know, which tends to happen after the 1828 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,519 Speaker 4: said signing, doesn't ye, Yeah, Well you just wonder too. 1829 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,400 Speaker 6: I mean the way that that Robert found Bill, you know, 1830 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 6: was here and you know he developed a relationship with 1831 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,320 Speaker 6: him on the side, Like, you know, is there possible 1832 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,960 Speaker 6: that a guy like John Robinson or Dave Ziegler, you know, 1833 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,559 Speaker 6: Robert was impressed with him, and you know they they 1834 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,120 Speaker 6: might have, you know, a little bit of familiarity with him. 1835 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,920 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm I mean, I I totally get what 1836 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,720 Speaker 6: you guys are saying, and I'm with you, like it'd 1837 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,880 Speaker 6: be great to just have a you know, a new system, 1838 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,479 Speaker 6: a new philosophy, those kind of things, if you're going 1839 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 6: to do it. But I still think there's always in 1840 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 6: any industry you're going to at least consider people that 1841 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:02,880 Speaker 6: you're familiar with. 1842 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,639 Speaker 1: Josh writes in from Somersworth, New Hampshire. Newer listener been 1843 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,720 Speaker 1: listening to since July twenty twenty one. He says, I 1844 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,519 Speaker 1: know the exact day because it was the day I 1845 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,840 Speaker 1: passed my CDL test. 1846 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:17,960 Speaker 7: Oh congrats you. 1847 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 1: I don't get to listen live because I want to 1848 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,280 Speaker 1: be able to listen to every word, in the nature 1849 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,000 Speaker 1: of my job doesn't allow that. The question is, would 1850 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 1: you see any form of possibility that if Bill doesn't 1851 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,880 Speaker 1: trade the first round for six and two cheeseburgers, that 1852 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,479 Speaker 1: they would be able to draft May and find a 1853 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: way to trade up to also somehow get Marvin Harrison. 1854 01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,439 Speaker 6: Oh jeez, like your next three drafts. 1855 01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, then you're moving up from the thirties in the 1856 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,479 Speaker 5: beginning of day two to the top. If you're picked 1857 01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,080 Speaker 5: four years, if you're. 1858 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,639 Speaker 4: Picking one of those guys, then you're using the second 1859 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,040 Speaker 4: or third pick, And then what do you have to 1860 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,160 Speaker 4: get the second or third pick? That would require to 1861 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:00,679 Speaker 4: get Harrison. 1862 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,720 Speaker 5: Now, the only way that you could do it just 1863 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,080 Speaker 5: to play help, let's play along. What if they get 1864 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,240 Speaker 5: a first round pick for Bill. 1865 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you get you'd take trade, but it 1866 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,559 Speaker 4: would have to be like Chicago, well the first round. 1867 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,800 Speaker 5: Houston traded up from twelve to what three to get 1868 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,800 Speaker 5: Will Anderson last year. Yeah, So like if you got 1869 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,639 Speaker 5: a mid first round pick for Bill and then package 1870 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,040 Speaker 5: your the rest of your draft pretty much. I think 1871 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,280 Speaker 5: the bigger problem with like a guy like Marvin Harrison 1872 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,840 Speaker 5: in particular is that, like the the line's going to 1873 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,560 Speaker 5: be out the door of teams that are going to 1874 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,920 Speaker 5: be trying to trade up to that pick. 1875 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 4: So like Washington could have that kind of a mid 1876 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,120 Speaker 4: right Midland pick. 1877 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you're you know, sitting at three and 1878 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,720 Speaker 5: for some god forsaken reason, you don't want to take 1879 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,439 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior, then there's probably going to be eight 1880 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 5: to ten teams on the line that are going to 1881 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 5: be trying to trade up into that pick to draft them. 1882 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,280 Speaker 5: So it's going to be a biding war. But I 1883 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 5: thought of, you know, how how could you do it 1884 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,840 Speaker 5: that would it would be getting the most in return 1885 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:04,200 Speaker 5: for Bill. 1886 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Matt Framingham emailing from the top of a building in 1887 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,200 Speaker 1: a motel, waiting for my crew to show off so 1888 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,960 Speaker 1: we can get to work on the subject of twenty 1889 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,479 Speaker 1: thousand foot views. I think it's time for me to 1890 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,680 Speaker 1: have a discussion about Bill O'Brien. In the end of 1891 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,439 Speaker 1: the college football regular season, it's near and that means 1892 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,160 Speaker 1: jobs are open. Boy, he has no punctuation, It's just 1893 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:31,400 Speaker 1: one big paragraph. Not surprised if what happened in Germany 1894 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Bill leaves to take a college job. I feel like 1895 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,439 Speaker 1: he sees the writing on the wall and he might 1896 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,680 Speaker 1: be coming to the realization that this is not the 1897 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,280 Speaker 1: place to be. I have no sources or anything like that. 1898 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when the Titanic is sinking, everyone is 1899 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,519 Speaker 1: ready to swim to refuge. 1900 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,160 Speaker 6: I mean, it's a good question about where his head's at. 1901 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,760 Speaker 6: I mean, I also just think that there could still 1902 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,720 Speaker 6: be opportunity here for him. He's from here. I'm sure 1903 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,160 Speaker 6: he's enjoyed being back in the area where you know 1904 01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,439 Speaker 6: his family is and everything. 1905 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:00,519 Speaker 4: But it's hard. It's hard to know. 1906 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,400 Speaker 6: I mean, it's certainly a new regime could come in 1907 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,000 Speaker 6: and say we want someone who's going to install the 1908 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,960 Speaker 6: offense of the head coach, not your Bill O'Brien's offense. 1909 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,280 Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing is that if you're 1910 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,120 Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien and you know that Bill Belichick is on 1911 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,400 Speaker 5: his way out, if they hire Ben Johnson, then you're 1912 01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,200 Speaker 5: out of a job. So before the musical chair stops, 1913 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 5: you know, you might as well jump onto another job 1914 01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:24,360 Speaker 5: before that happens. 1915 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,240 Speaker 4: I'd find it hard to believe that he would be 1916 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 4: back if Belichick isn't. 1917 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 6: Do you think Bill O'Brien still has a lot of 1918 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,840 Speaker 6: people the teams that are college teams that are interested 1919 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:33,160 Speaker 6: in him. 1920 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, college college, I think so. 1921 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten more 1922 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,400 Speaker 4: attention for head coaching jobs because I don't think his 1923 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,040 Speaker 4: track record is bad. I mean it's mediocre. 1924 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,080 Speaker 7: He was there a while, but he developed some players. 1925 01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was there for a while and he was okay. Yeah, 1926 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 4: so I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a second sniff yet. 1927 01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: Chad in Atlanta, he mailed into the Germany Show asking 1928 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,960 Speaker 1: what Bill could do to keep his job if it 1929 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,720 Speaker 1: was hypothetic in danger and you all basically agree that 1930 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,360 Speaker 1: putting wins together and keeping the locker room together would help. Well. 1931 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,120 Speaker 1: Another loss in another player down Jack Jones is making 1932 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,439 Speaker 1: me think Bill could be gone after this year. When 1933 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: does ownership start licking their lips at that number one 1934 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,200 Speaker 1: draft pick? And do they really want Bill to be 1935 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:23,120 Speaker 1: a part of a new rookie quarterback. I don't well, you. 1936 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,040 Speaker 4: Don't know the email email. I thought that was another 1937 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:28,320 Speaker 4: you got you got. 1938 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,560 Speaker 6: The toilet bowl coming up right after the break. I 1939 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,760 Speaker 6: mean it's it's kind of like this game is ridiculous, 1940 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:33,599 Speaker 6: like playing the Giants. 1941 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,200 Speaker 4: You always think that would be better if it was 1942 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,639 Speaker 4: like week fifty, right right, Like, I mean, it's. 1943 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,320 Speaker 7: Talk about a game where you're gonna look at be 1944 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,360 Speaker 7: looking at silver lines like like do. 1945 01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:42,320 Speaker 1: We want to lose? 1946 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,720 Speaker 4: Like what team wants to do? What team wants to 1947 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 4: lose more. I'm kind of glad that this game is 1948 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,800 Speaker 4: on the road. Oh me too, so reaction. I could 1949 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 4: just see like one of these you know, I could 1950 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,839 Speaker 4: just see someone like throwing out a phone like Patriots 1951 01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,600 Speaker 4: dot Com during the walls. 1952 01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,559 Speaker 6: Right, you know, yes, I'm just not having it here 1953 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,600 Speaker 6: like that, yeah, right, like that kind of gear, you 1954 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,920 Speaker 6: know what you're doing the Napoleon time. 1955 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,719 Speaker 4: Uh, just the energy in this I would I wouldn't 1956 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:11,800 Speaker 4: want it. I wouldn't want like that. 1957 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,320 Speaker 7: Like you know, the Giants score and the Patriots are 1958 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:15,800 Speaker 7: all fans are all. 1959 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,400 Speaker 4: I don't even think of the fans, but you will 1960 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:23,080 Speaker 4: get fans to, Yeah, we're gonna get first overall first. 1961 01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,880 Speaker 5: We're still a little ways away from that. 1962 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,599 Speaker 4: Even if they make that that creative cheers. 1963 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,519 Speaker 5: You just need one or two. Like it doesn't Both 1964 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 5: of those guys are are franchise caliber quarterbacks. You just 1965 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:38,200 Speaker 5: need one of them. 1966 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,280 Speaker 7: I'm still so curious what that Jets game going to 1967 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,880 Speaker 7: look like to in the last week, Like what is. 1968 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,960 Speaker 4: The like what do the Jets have to play for? 1969 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 6: Is there any universe that Aaron Rodgers, Like, is there 1970 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,479 Speaker 6: any chance that Aaron Rodgers is coming back? And there 1971 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,720 Speaker 6: they need a win to get into the playoffs, Like 1972 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,639 Speaker 6: at least there'll be one more game with a little 1973 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,320 Speaker 6: bit of drama left this season, you know, like that, 1974 01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,120 Speaker 6: like that last game, it'll be the last one. 1975 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,160 Speaker 5: It'll be the last one to be like, let's go 1976 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,360 Speaker 5: lose and lose and lose some more. 1977 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,320 Speaker 1: Alex and Charlotte. I think there's two solid roots. The 1978 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,320 Speaker 1: team could go with this rebuild in the draft. They 1979 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,240 Speaker 1: could draft Drake May Calib Williams and go all in 1980 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,840 Speaker 1: to be the starter of Day one while also find 1981 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,000 Speaker 1: a Day two wide receiver in offensive tackle. Sounds like 1982 01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,479 Speaker 1: most of you would prefer this situation and anything else, 1983 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 1: since the majority of you kindly pointed out the team 1984 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,120 Speaker 1: should draft all three of these positions back in April. 1985 01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,240 Speaker 1: But I guess the team missed those runs of Deuce 1986 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,080 Speaker 1: in Evans big boards May Maybe they were too busy 1987 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,160 Speaker 1: designing their inspirational T shirts and ignoring the noise at 1988 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:39,479 Speaker 1: the time. 1989 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,439 Speaker 6: Love that I caught sight of the tough Teams Cover 1990 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,000 Speaker 6: Kicks shirt in the locker room yesterday and I just 1991 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 6: wanted to die. 1992 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that is like, but there's also to 1993 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,080 Speaker 4: differences other to take from that tough Teams cover kicks 1994 01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:53,719 Speaker 4: they can't. 1995 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,920 Speaker 5: Tough teams are thirtieth and special teams. 1996 01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,400 Speaker 1: But there's also talks of going with a bridge quarterback 1997 01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:04,960 Speaker 1: like Jacob or Dobbs, then drafting a Dobbs Dobbs. 1998 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,920 Speaker 4: I just I'm not really interested in Josh Dobbs. 1999 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Donalds, pronounce it is how you pronounce it. Right, 2000 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,000 Speaker 1: you pronounce it, then drafting a late first round Day 2001 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,680 Speaker 1: two quarterback to develop. If that's the case, then you 2002 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,040 Speaker 1: can't pass up on Marvin Harrison Junior or Brock Bauers 2003 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,280 Speaker 1: with whatever the first pick the Patriots have. My question 2004 01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,719 Speaker 1: for you all, if Mac and Bill are both gone 2005 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,400 Speaker 1: next year, which one of those drafts rebuild would be 2006 01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,200 Speaker 1: more effective in the long run. If Gerard Mayo is 2007 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,960 Speaker 1: head coach and the team hires a young OC rather 2008 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,360 Speaker 1: than bringing back McDaniels or O'Brien. 2009 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,360 Speaker 4: Whichever quarterback is better. 2010 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,559 Speaker 5: God, we're gonna just do. I'm already sick of the question. 2011 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,880 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's not the emailers followed, but it's not. 2012 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,400 Speaker 5: We're gonna do six months of this and it's just like, 2013 01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,000 Speaker 5: would you rather Marvin Harrison and the Day two quarterback 2014 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,320 Speaker 5: are Drake may and TV? 2015 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,479 Speaker 4: And my answer is simple, If the Day two quarterback 2016 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,360 Speaker 4: is better than Caleb Williams, I'd rather have the Day 2017 01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,280 Speaker 4: two quarterback. If Williams is better, I'd rather have that. 2018 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, well then you rather have Williams. 2019 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,280 Speaker 6: We should just have We should find we should record 2020 01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,599 Speaker 6: our responses and just have morel hitded on a loop 2021 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,040 Speaker 6: so it sounds like when we get the emailment. 2022 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,800 Speaker 4: But I just think that people, and again, this is 2023 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,840 Speaker 4: not picking like Evans said, it's not picking on the 2024 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 4: email because he's right. That's the there's two very distinct 2025 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,160 Speaker 4: lines of thought. If you can't get Williams or May, 2026 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,240 Speaker 4: there's a strong argument to be made. Okay, we're all right, 2027 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,439 Speaker 4: we can still do this, but I think you have 2028 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,400 Speaker 4: to take Williams or May if you're in a position 2029 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,439 Speaker 4: to do so. And I think that we can drive 2030 01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,320 Speaker 4: ourselves crazy with these things. No one wants to pick 2031 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 4: the quarterback who does not work out, but you increase 2032 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 4: your odds if you're able to pick whatever quarterback you 2033 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,439 Speaker 4: want as opposed to whichever one is left, which is 2034 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:44,280 Speaker 4: what happened last time. 2035 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Correct Christopher in New Hampshire rights In the current tearing 2036 01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,160 Speaker 1: down of Bill, I find frustrating and annoying now that 2037 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,639 Speaker 1: the Patriots are awful, there are so many saying Bill 2038 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,280 Speaker 1: was always terrible. It was all Tom, and Tom will 2039 01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,519 Speaker 1: won despite the coach. The desire to tear down everything 2040 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,759 Speaker 1: he accomplished, because in twenty twenty three he's doing awful. 2041 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,800 Speaker 1: It's such a gross modern thing. As a fan, once 2042 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,960 Speaker 1: the season is over. I want to say thank you, Bill. 2043 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,360 Speaker 1: It was a wonderful ride. The time has come, though, 2044 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,160 Speaker 1: but I won't forget what you've done. 2045 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,040 Speaker 5: I don't think this show does that. I mean, maybe 2046 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,760 Speaker 5: I'm rom I don't think any show does it. 2047 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, not the way he described. 2048 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:20,960 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think anybody takes away from what 2049 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:21,960 Speaker 5: Bill has been able to do. 2050 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:22,560 Speaker 4: But you have to. 2051 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,679 Speaker 5: It's a what have you done for me lately? 2052 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:25,040 Speaker 1: World? 2053 01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,840 Speaker 4: That's also a very modern self business. It's also a 2054 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,320 Speaker 4: very modern age thing to just say everybody now says 2055 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,559 Speaker 4: that Bill never did anything ever and it was all Tom. 2056 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,439 Speaker 4: Like No, people look at it differently now and say, 2057 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,640 Speaker 4: maybe Tom was more responsible for their success than we 2058 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,320 Speaker 4: gave credit to. At the time, a lot of people 2059 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,479 Speaker 4: gave more credit to Bill, and people have sort of changed. 2060 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,400 Speaker 4: I haven't heard anyone said Bill never did anything the 2061 01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:51,160 Speaker 4: way that guy just said, do you. I mean, if 2062 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,479 Speaker 4: you heard a groundswell of people saying Bill never never 2063 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,200 Speaker 4: could coach, it was all all Tom and it's no Bill, 2064 01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,759 Speaker 4: because even felgrind Maz don't say that as anybody. 2065 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:05,479 Speaker 6: No, but I've seen a lot of oh, I mean, 2066 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:06,759 Speaker 6: you know what I mean, I've. 2067 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,480 Speaker 1: Heard some and probably like Bill's been exposed. 2068 01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's different than saying that he'd never had any ability. Right, 2069 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,800 Speaker 4: Let's see, maybe some people don't no longer think he's 2070 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,360 Speaker 4: the greatest coach of all time? Is that fair? 2071 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:23,320 Speaker 16: No? 2072 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,920 Speaker 1: To Evan's point, if we're Jack writes in if we're 2073 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,720 Speaker 1: already starting the offseason, shows now with the discussion of 2074 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,760 Speaker 1: the future in draft coaching hypotheticals, can we at least 2075 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,519 Speaker 1: get some fun topics like soap with a slot. I'm 2076 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,760 Speaker 1: not ready for six months of every caller asking you 2077 01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,360 Speaker 1: if you want Caleb Williams to trade. 2078 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm not ready for that either. 2079 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,760 Speaker 5: This is my whole thing is like I always say, 2080 01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,120 Speaker 5: if I start with the draft now, then by the 2081 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,599 Speaker 5: time that April rolls around, I'm gonna want to jump 2082 01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,000 Speaker 5: off a bridge. Like I have to give myself at 2083 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,639 Speaker 5: least I can only start the draft in January. Guys 2084 01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,560 Speaker 5: like I can't. I can't do it sooner than that. 2085 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:00,400 Speaker 1: It just drives me. 2086 01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,360 Speaker 4: You dabble a little bit. I'll start in the middle 2087 01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:02,759 Speaker 4: of April. 2088 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:04,720 Speaker 5: I mean I have to dabble a little bit, just 2089 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,600 Speaker 5: because we get all these questions and I want to 2090 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:11,760 Speaker 5: be like someone most of my takes are just disagreeing 2091 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,240 Speaker 5: with I've noticed that, and I don't. 2092 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,040 Speaker 4: Like, I don't follow it that closely, but I've noticed, No, 2093 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,800 Speaker 4: this is how many how many times that's a bar thing? 2094 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Michael Park, Michael Pennix is legitimately a bar thing. 2095 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:24,160 Speaker 1: He keeps on. 2096 01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,720 Speaker 5: I'm not disputing, but tell me on Michael Pennix, and 2097 01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,120 Speaker 5: I'm like, it's a lefty. I can't do it. 2098 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,000 Speaker 9: You know. 2099 01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,439 Speaker 4: It's kind of. 2100 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,840 Speaker 6: Because yeah, I was just I mean, this is apropos nothing, 2101 01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,080 Speaker 6: but just I really like Josh Downs in the draft 2102 01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:38,800 Speaker 6: and like just to have him kind of be like 2103 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,840 Speaker 6: play such a part in the kind of collapse like 2104 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:42,439 Speaker 6: in Germany. 2105 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,920 Speaker 4: Like, it's just it's weird how it works. That play 2106 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,120 Speaker 4: he made at the end of the game went a 2107 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,080 Speaker 4: long way to ending I know, I know. And it's 2108 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:48,479 Speaker 4: just funny. 2109 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,240 Speaker 7: You know, you kind of covet this guy and you like, 2110 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,599 Speaker 7: oh man, he's great, and then all of a sudden 2111 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:52,960 Speaker 7: he's on the Colts and he's you know, kind of 2112 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,639 Speaker 7: putting the final dagger in your season. 2113 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:55,960 Speaker 6: It's just it's weird how it works out. 2114 01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,880 Speaker 5: I will give We'll give them this on that though, 2115 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,400 Speaker 5: really quick, like Tomorrio Douglass has been pretty much just 2116 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,439 Speaker 5: as good as most of those guys. Like, I think 2117 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,000 Speaker 5: that if that was how they viewed it, and I'm 2118 01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,600 Speaker 5: gonna give them some credit. So just if that's how 2119 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,840 Speaker 5: they viewed it, was that we could have had Josh 2120 01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,360 Speaker 5: Downs in the third round or Tank Dell here, or 2121 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,600 Speaker 5: we can just take our guy to Mario Douglas in 2122 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,760 Speaker 5: the sixth then it's the same player. Then they kind 2123 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,439 Speaker 5: of got it, right, Yeah, haven't. 2124 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,559 Speaker 4: I haven't watched enough of the games. I just think 2125 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,519 Speaker 4: it's dangerous to compare stats. Sure, Like I don't think 2126 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,040 Speaker 4: that Pickens's stats last year were mind boggling, but every 2127 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,000 Speaker 4: time I watched the Pittsburgh game, he was largely responsible 2128 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,080 Speaker 4: for any success they had in the passing game. So 2129 01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,320 Speaker 4: to me, it was more of an impact. And at 2130 01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,439 Speaker 4: the same time, I looked at Douglas right now, like 2131 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,320 Speaker 4: you could tell me he's been better than Tank Dell, 2132 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,680 Speaker 4: and you can tell me he's been. But that's all 2133 01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,240 Speaker 4: the Patriots have right now. Yeah, they're throwing the ball 2134 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,280 Speaker 4: to one guy. He's he's making five or six catches 2135 01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,800 Speaker 4: in games, and everybody else is making one. I don't 2136 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,720 Speaker 4: think Tank Dell is doing that when when Stroud's thrown 2137 01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,719 Speaker 4: for four hundred and eighty yards or whatever. 2138 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,960 Speaker 1: It is, Emailer rights in Evan. I respect your opinion 2139 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,559 Speaker 1: and I followed you for a long time. That being said, 2140 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,639 Speaker 1: it's going to be a How can the guy who 2141 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,160 Speaker 1: has admitted he doesn't get into college prospects until January 2142 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,519 Speaker 1: sit there and tell us it's Caleb and May or 2143 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,160 Speaker 1: bust in my opinion? May, isn't it to me? You 2144 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,160 Speaker 1: take PENICX, Caleb or Jaden. That being said, if we 2145 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,240 Speaker 1: get May, I'll support him. I just don't see it 2146 01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,120 Speaker 1: as always go Pat sign Alis Bart, that's Trevor. 2147 01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,599 Speaker 4: But that's great because I think you look at these 2148 01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,040 Speaker 4: guys and everybody has a preference. 2149 01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,200 Speaker 5: Your preference is wrong. But I know, I'm just kidding. Well, 2150 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,840 Speaker 5: you know, when your team is two and eight what 2151 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,840 Speaker 5: was his name, Trevor? When your team is two and 2152 01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,720 Speaker 5: eight Trevor, then the draft starts early, all right? 2153 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,080 Speaker 7: I mean even I even I know who this Caleb 2154 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:43,640 Speaker 7: Williams is. 2155 01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:49,400 Speaker 6: Caleb Caleb, Yeah, nice, put together a v log on him, 2156 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:51,360 Speaker 6: maybe a blog. 2157 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,840 Speaker 1: Anthony wants to know, will we ever get invited back 2158 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,519 Speaker 1: to host a game in Germany based on the blank 2159 01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,400 Speaker 1: shows that's our international homemark. We're gonna go. 2160 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,920 Speaker 4: We're going to Munich next Yeah, are there any fred 2161 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:07,720 Speaker 4: in all seriousness about Germany, are there any like stipulations 2162 01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,479 Speaker 4: in place because that that is our whole international market? 2163 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,160 Speaker 4: How often we have to play there? 2164 01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,120 Speaker 1: We I don't think we could host the game right away, 2165 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,439 Speaker 1: but if for some reason, you know, a team was 2166 01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,400 Speaker 1: on our schedule, we could be an away team at 2167 01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:22,880 Speaker 1: any time. 2168 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,640 Speaker 6: Like if we played Carolina, but equal chance of being 2169 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,400 Speaker 6: an away team at a different international. 2170 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,679 Speaker 1: Place, we could be there too. Yeah. 2171 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,920 Speaker 4: Well, I didn't know if there was any stipulations about 2172 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:36,040 Speaker 4: how often you you host as an international host city, 2173 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:37,559 Speaker 4: how often you have to play? 2174 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know there are. There's only gonna be 2175 01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,760 Speaker 1: one German Germany game next year, and it's going to 2176 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,559 Speaker 1: be back in Munich. And I would assume, since Carolina 2177 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,960 Speaker 1: was one of the original HMA teams there now they 2178 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:53,479 Speaker 1: call them global market teams, that they'll get first DIBs 2179 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,080 Speaker 1: next year. 2180 01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,680 Speaker 4: There was a lot of Carolina stuff around, and. 2181 01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,599 Speaker 1: I don't think Carolina is on our schedule next year, 2182 01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:03,280 Speaker 1: are they? I'm not sure? So there, yes, there, we 2183 01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,640 Speaker 1: already told the league, if you want to, you know, 2184 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,280 Speaker 1: put us in as an away team, we'll go back. 2185 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,519 Speaker 1: But we can't be a home team. I mean we could, 2186 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,479 Speaker 1: but I mean you lose like twenty five million dollars 2187 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,080 Speaker 1: if you give up a home game. 2188 01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,680 Speaker 4: You know that if we play the NFC West next year, No, yeah, no, 2189 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,800 Speaker 4: it's not. Yeah, so unless that's the team that we 2190 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,360 Speaker 4: match up on the other division. 2191 01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:31,320 Speaker 5: No, it's Arizona, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Miami, the Jets, the Niners, 2192 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,439 Speaker 5: the Titans, the AFC North opponent based off of where 2193 01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,759 Speaker 5: you finish in the division seventeenth game is an NFC 2194 01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:39,559 Speaker 5: North opponent? 2195 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:40,240 Speaker 7: Niners here. 2196 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,320 Speaker 1: No, So who's our NFC South want our. 2197 01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,000 Speaker 5: NFC South opponent? Yeah, there isn't one. 2198 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,160 Speaker 1: Oh, we don't pay anyone from the NFC South. 2199 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 5: No, okay, not the NFC South. 2200 01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,320 Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, because we played the NFC South in 2201 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,040 Speaker 4: total in twenty one. 2202 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,160 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so there's no way we would play. 2203 01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, we played. 2204 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,880 Speaker 1: We could be an away team in London. 2205 01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,800 Speaker 6: Or you know what other international markets that are they 2206 01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,000 Speaker 6: we played in the Germany that extra game. There are 2207 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,800 Speaker 6: any other countries that the games are getting ready to 2208 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,439 Speaker 6: go off on or is it just your well Mexico. 2209 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean they skipped Mexico last year. At some point 2210 01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:16,840 Speaker 1: they'll probably get you. 2211 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,160 Speaker 4: Do something on these committees. You're a very powerful man. 2212 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,000 Speaker 4: Can you get Italy involved? 2213 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,479 Speaker 1: Italian play? At the Roman colisseum, I don't care. 2214 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,960 Speaker 4: I was talking some very nice gentlemen. Deuce was doing 2215 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,200 Speaker 4: a star turn on an interview with the Italian football people. 2216 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,920 Speaker 4: That was actually hilarious. Evan and I just sat there 2217 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,680 Speaker 4: and made front of Mike. But anyway, I said, what 2218 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,720 Speaker 4: do you think about Rome? And they were like, no, 2219 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,840 Speaker 4: Milan like they were from Milan, and they thought because 2220 01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,519 Speaker 4: as beautiful as Rome is, they weren't sure that it was. 2221 01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:51,960 Speaker 4: I I've heard like people. 2222 01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:53,960 Speaker 1: I've heard like about Madrid. 2223 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,400 Speaker 4: I would love Madrid. 2224 01:35:58,640 --> 01:35:58,800 Speaker 1: Too. 2225 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,160 Speaker 5: What's it called? I remember? 2226 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew says, hey, Paul Bill true, Bill didn't never 2227 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,640 Speaker 1: do anything. I'm the straw man. 2228 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,320 Speaker 4: You need it, You're well there you go, there you go, Bro, 2229 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,360 Speaker 4: Thank I am thanks Andrew, Come at me, bro Hi, Paul, Yeah, 2230 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,479 Speaker 4: I do think that that is that's perfectly put. I 2231 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,040 Speaker 4: think that is a little bit of a straw man 2232 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,360 Speaker 4: like Bill never did it. I don't think there's many 2233 01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,160 Speaker 4: people that feel that way or have said that. 2234 01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,719 Speaker 1: Certainly Addison wats three off season shows per week. 2235 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,519 Speaker 5: Like this off season of all off seasons, Fred, it's 2236 01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,400 Speaker 5: the it's the one to do it, and that allows 2237 01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,200 Speaker 5: us that one show where everyon won't be so mad 2238 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,920 Speaker 5: at us when we delve off into like Star Wars 2239 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:39,400 Speaker 5: Stock or. 2240 01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,160 Speaker 4: Something Star Wars talking is fun. 2241 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,000 Speaker 7: He's gotten a lot better, though, I mean, I was 2242 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,720 Speaker 7: thinking the microphone away. 2243 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,280 Speaker 5: I've also got myself in trouble talking about non football topic. 2244 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,920 Speaker 6: I remember early on like Fred asking him the mood 2245 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,800 Speaker 6: and everyone be like, what now now he knows, now 2246 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:54,160 Speaker 6: he knows. 2247 01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,559 Speaker 4: How to play? Like I was totally way. We had 2248 01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,560 Speaker 4: a little little meeting upstairs today about you know, like 2249 01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,240 Speaker 4: a recap of the Germany trip, and we were asked 2250 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,000 Speaker 4: to tell our highlights and our low lights of the trip. 2251 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,880 Speaker 4: And I was waiting for aving Toad, you know that 2252 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,240 Speaker 4: third and twelve they allowed like that, they just stopped 2253 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,960 Speaker 4: putting up later and like, I just can't believe they 2254 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,280 Speaker 4: fell for that and Josh Down's making but they ran 2255 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,160 Speaker 4: leak and I was, I was all back they did. 2256 01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:16,519 Speaker 5: They didn't run leak. 2257 01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:21,800 Speaker 1: Kevin all year sick, Ryan right, saying, what do you 2258 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,880 Speaker 1: guys think about Cliff Kingsbury or Bill O'Brien being our 2259 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,479 Speaker 1: next head coach? Also, do you guys think our draft 2260 01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,479 Speaker 1: woes are still due in part to our not having 2261 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:35,240 Speaker 1: first round picks several years in the twenty twelve nineteen era. 2262 01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,680 Speaker 1: Love the show, especially Paul and Fred. Great work. Keep 2263 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,840 Speaker 1: it up. Shout out to Eric and Andy, who we 2264 01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,599 Speaker 1: will all miss fighting on an hourly basis. 2265 01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:44,679 Speaker 5: It's okay that they're gone. 2266 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:50,519 Speaker 4: So by several times they've missed first round picks? Was 2267 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,920 Speaker 4: that not by several? 2268 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:52,599 Speaker 1: Do we mean one? 2269 01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 2270 01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:55,120 Speaker 5: And then they lost one for the flake Gate, right, 2271 01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,360 Speaker 5: I mean yeah? And then the Cyrus Jones draft they 2272 01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:58,200 Speaker 5: had my. 2273 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,160 Speaker 4: Choice right, difference, right, I was, I don't know, maybe 2274 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,720 Speaker 4: maybe I'm misremembering, you know me. 2275 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,800 Speaker 5: Because he was he was there, he was the second 2276 01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,000 Speaker 5: round pick, and he was their first pick. 2277 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,439 Speaker 4: And yeah, and they had they've had I think dunder 2278 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:08,880 Speaker 4: was too. 2279 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:09,120 Speaker 1: Right. 2280 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,720 Speaker 4: Yes, they traded, but they traded down to do that. 2281 01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,599 Speaker 4: That's not that's not not having a first round pick. 2282 01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:15,519 Speaker 4: There's a difference. 2283 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,400 Speaker 7: I mean, there's not a single member of the twenty 2284 01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:18,599 Speaker 7: nineteen draft class still. 2285 01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,479 Speaker 4: On this team. I will I think that that class 2286 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,320 Speaker 4: is nothing brings Deuce into a funk. 2287 01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,599 Speaker 5: Like in the draft talk, I think the nineteen draft 2288 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,680 Speaker 5: is still the worst in my mind, like worst, Like 2289 01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,880 Speaker 5: I know last year is now becoming like one of 2290 01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,439 Speaker 5: those classes. But I think given the stakes of nineteen, 2291 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,160 Speaker 5: where like you had to keep Brady around and like 2292 01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:37,800 Speaker 5: what you needed to maybe do to do that. Now, 2293 01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,080 Speaker 5: maybe he was at the door regardless, But I have 2294 01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,320 Speaker 5: to think that if they had drafted aj Brown instead 2295 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,280 Speaker 5: of to kill Harry, that might have changed their minds. 2296 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,760 Speaker 4: You know, Brady's mind be an idiot, that's what That's 2297 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,280 Speaker 4: what that was, if you didn't think Kanil Harry not 2298 01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:56,599 Speaker 4: and and correct. So the the draft stuff, I will 2299 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,920 Speaker 4: say not to pick on the semantics about how many 2300 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,200 Speaker 4: first round picks they lost, but I do think they've 2301 01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,800 Speaker 4: never really picked in the top half of the first round, 2302 01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,000 Speaker 4: let alone the top five where they're on schedule to 2303 01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,559 Speaker 4: do now, so that's not just the first round you're 2304 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,680 Speaker 4: picking thirty three, thirty four to thirty five, you know, 2305 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,240 Speaker 4: like that's every round that you know you should have. 2306 01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:16,920 Speaker 4: This sting should be. 2307 01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,640 Speaker 5: That's a good point. But I think that because I 2308 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,200 Speaker 5: have to just crap on everything that they do right now. 2309 01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,720 Speaker 5: They never aggressive in trading up in the round either, yea. 2310 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,360 Speaker 5: So they're always picking, you know, even in the Brady years, 2311 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,280 Speaker 5: like when they're winning super Bowls. It's all well and 2312 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,320 Speaker 5: good that okay. You know, they picked Nick Hill Harry 2313 01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,320 Speaker 5: I think was the thirty second overall pick. I think 2314 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,000 Speaker 5: he was the last pick in the first round if 2315 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,800 Speaker 5: I remember correctly, because they won the Super Bowl the 2316 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,200 Speaker 5: year before, and so you can sit there and say, oh, well, 2317 01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,000 Speaker 5: you know, what are they supposed to do? They're picking 2318 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,160 Speaker 5: thirty second in the draft. It's like, well, you know, 2319 01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,160 Speaker 5: you can trade up like that is allowed. You don't 2320 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,800 Speaker 5: have to always just pick where you're picking, or you know, 2321 01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,040 Speaker 5: if you really didn't, if Bill really didn't think mac 2322 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,920 Speaker 5: Jones was the guy to begin with, which I think 2323 01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,840 Speaker 5: some people believe, then why weren't they trading up and 2324 01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:01,920 Speaker 5: now draft for justin fields. They're trading up in that 2325 01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:03,000 Speaker 5: draft for somebody else. 2326 01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,000 Speaker 6: If that was the case, you're also allowed to draft 2327 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,800 Speaker 6: guys to complain in the NFL in the later rounds. 2328 01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:08,320 Speaker 4: That's okay too. 2329 01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,679 Speaker 5: You can maybe find nothing to this this dark dark 2330 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,720 Speaker 5: place in their defense draft. Some of the like late 2331 01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,000 Speaker 5: round picks recently. You know, Mike on Winny was a 2332 01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,639 Speaker 5: sixth round pick to Mario Douglas was a sixth round 2333 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,040 Speaker 5: pick City, so looks like he might be able to play. 2334 01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,080 Speaker 5: It was a fourth round pick. I don't think that 2335 01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,519 Speaker 5: their issue was Day three, and their issue is Day 2336 01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:28,000 Speaker 5: one and two. 2337 01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,519 Speaker 1: So remember that guy named Tom Brady. Julian Ede was the. 2338 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:33,360 Speaker 5: Seventh round pick. 2339 01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,479 Speaker 6: If what if you just traded out of the first 2340 01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,679 Speaker 6: and second round and just tried to get as many 2341 01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 6: three through seven picks, but impossibly. 2342 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,720 Speaker 5: But I feel like that's how they look at it though, 2343 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:43,240 Speaker 5: and that was kind of my point about it. 2344 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:47,240 Speaker 4: That's why I was so mad about Cole Strange because 2345 01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:51,320 Speaker 4: you have a litany of undrafted guys and you know 2346 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,519 Speaker 4: Day three picks that have done fine. That's that's why 2347 01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,080 Speaker 4: do we feel the need to plug in a guard now? 2348 01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:58,840 Speaker 4: If you want to get a tackle, a left tackle 2349 01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,160 Speaker 4: in the first round at light you know, I know 2350 01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,560 Speaker 4: he was a second round pick, but yeah, okay, this 2351 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,640 Speaker 4: is a guy who's a franchise pillar for you for 2352 01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,080 Speaker 4: ten years. There's a beast volmer. 2353 01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,640 Speaker 6: There's also an element of taking positions that are not 2354 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,639 Speaker 6: major needs. And you're running it into the ground, drafting 2355 01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,400 Speaker 6: slot corners and strong safeties, you know, like that, like 2356 01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,680 Speaker 6: that's the guards, like those things like those positions went 2357 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,040 Speaker 6: dark guard in twenty twenty two. I mean twenty nineteen 2358 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,840 Speaker 6: Evans right totally, like we need a good draft twenty 2359 01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,639 Speaker 6: twenty two, Like you had just come off of spending 2360 01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:29,960 Speaker 6: all this money on free agency, you. 2361 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,040 Speaker 4: Had some hits and misses. 2362 01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,240 Speaker 5: It was five years. 2363 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,040 Speaker 6: It was staring you in the face that like this 2364 01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,840 Speaker 6: is a critical draft right now because these veterans you 2365 01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,519 Speaker 6: just brought in via free agency, Like we're seeing it 2366 01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:41,960 Speaker 6: right now. These guys are all gonna be here for 2367 01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,599 Speaker 6: a little bit, but they're gonna move on. They're older, 2368 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,280 Speaker 6: and that one then that draft is just as bad 2369 01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,600 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two. I mean, Marcus Jones right now is 2370 01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,919 Speaker 6: it looks like the only guy who's gonna have ANFL 2371 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,160 Speaker 6: somewhat of an NFL career. 2372 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:55,280 Speaker 5: It's incredible when you really think about how quickly, like 2373 01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,839 Speaker 5: at least the nineteen draft. I was thinking about this yesterday, 2374 01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,120 Speaker 5: like Damien Harris, Chase winneviy, like those guys were on 2375 01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,920 Speaker 5: your team and could play and contribute. The twenty twenty 2376 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,439 Speaker 5: two draft is already terrible. Like it's been one year 2377 01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,600 Speaker 5: and they're already all either off the team or not 2378 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,559 Speaker 5: contributing direction. 2379 01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:17,439 Speaker 1: Uh, excuse me, let's go to Robert and Henderson. I 2380 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:25,120 Speaker 1: guess sorry, spun the dial Paul in Long Island. Long 2381 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,120 Speaker 1: Island are good. 2382 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:28,760 Speaker 6: So. 2383 01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,280 Speaker 19: I'll take it off air, but I had I know 2384 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,080 Speaker 19: you guys have been talking about it a lot, but. 2385 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:36,920 Speaker 1: Is it. 2386 01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,360 Speaker 19: I'm gonna be clearly honest with you. I really think 2387 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,000 Speaker 19: that Bill Belichick may be the most overrated coach in 2388 01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,280 Speaker 19: the history of the NFL. 2389 01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,400 Speaker 4: You're gonna be I asked for it and I received. 2390 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,559 Speaker 19: I'm not taking away too like I'm not taking away 2391 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,920 Speaker 19: everything from him, like he's the bottom bottom bottom tier. 2392 01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:00,120 Speaker 19: But if you just think about like his person so 2393 01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,400 Speaker 19: versus what he's actually has been able to do as 2394 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,439 Speaker 19: a coach, is it right to say that he's technically, 2395 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,280 Speaker 19: in my o, the most overrated coach in NFL history, 2396 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,400 Speaker 19: but he hasn't been able to win without the two 2397 01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,400 Speaker 19: greatest players to ever play in the NFL. 2398 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,120 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, if that was true, would a guy 2399 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,600 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady not recognize that? 2400 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,960 Speaker 19: You know, I think, but if you're Tom Brady and 2401 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:26,439 Speaker 19: you're winning. 2402 01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:27,160 Speaker 1: Do you really care? 2403 01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? And what's in it for Tom Brady to say, 2404 01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,200 Speaker 4: you know what, he was the most overrated coach I ever. 2405 01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,400 Speaker 1: No, he would never say that, But he also wouldn't 2406 01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,720 Speaker 1: say how much Bill helped him. I think you know 2407 01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:37,240 Speaker 1: and and wouldn't. 2408 01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:39,640 Speaker 4: But I don't think it's fair to say he wouldn't a. 2409 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,920 Speaker 1: Lot of other players that have said that he's so good, 2410 01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, players say that. 2411 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,560 Speaker 4: I just looked at it as like, how many of 2412 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,519 Speaker 4: these great coaches didn't have great players they also you 2413 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,800 Speaker 4: could make an argument that way for a lot of guys. 2414 01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,599 Speaker 4: And listen, I understand some of the bloom is off 2415 01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,320 Speaker 4: of Belichick's rose, but he's had a lot, you know, 2416 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,200 Speaker 4: a long track record now without Brady. No, I get it, 2417 01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,799 Speaker 4: but it's not just a one or two year sample size. 2418 01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,280 Speaker 4: It's you know, the five years in Cleveland and now 2419 01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:08,960 Speaker 4: basically five years in New England. 2420 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,040 Speaker 1: But the thing about it, like I remember when Richard 2421 01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,000 Speaker 1: Seymour was here, Like he wasn't a stats guy, but 2422 01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,799 Speaker 1: what you heard for was other opponents and coaching coaches 2423 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:21,400 Speaker 1: telling us how good Richard Seymour was. Yeah, you know 2424 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,439 Speaker 1: that's and and you hear the same thing from Bill's 2425 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,479 Speaker 1: own players. If he was overrated, you wouldn't hear that. 2426 01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, you hear from other teams how much there is 2427 01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,040 Speaker 6: to get ready to play the Patriots, and traditionally not 2428 01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:34,120 Speaker 6: so much these days. 2429 01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,600 Speaker 5: I think I don't put his mus stock into that 2430 01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,760 Speaker 5: as you do. But I don't think he's I think 2431 01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:39,439 Speaker 5: the flaw. 2432 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,920 Speaker 1: With Bill has is kind of like it's team building. 2433 01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,240 Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the talient talent evaluation. I think 2434 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:50,920 Speaker 1: sometimes he essues talent in order to build relationships. I'm 2435 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,320 Speaker 1: talking about the draft now, like you know, oh this 2436 01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,680 Speaker 1: guy was you know, with Ference or this guy was 2437 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,360 Speaker 1: with Pat Hill or this guy, and he'd rather help 2438 01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,679 Speaker 1: out his friends and draft guy from those teams rather. 2439 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:05,320 Speaker 4: Than just just just take just take the best guy. 2440 01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,960 Speaker 1: You know. And the other thing about Bill is I 2441 01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,639 Speaker 1: think sometimes he likes to maybe dig a little deeper 2442 01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,320 Speaker 1: for a player so that player will come in and 2443 01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,240 Speaker 1: be totally beholden to Bill, like forever grateful that he 2444 01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,799 Speaker 1: took me. You know, David Andrews for example. 2445 01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,120 Speaker 6: You know what, Jack Jones, Maybe that was the thought 2446 01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:22,840 Speaker 6: with Jack Jones. 2447 01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,720 Speaker 4: But that's why I don't put as much stock into 2448 01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,719 Speaker 4: what the players, but I think the career. 2449 01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,640 Speaker 1: I think some of those other things about Bill that's 2450 01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,280 Speaker 1: kind of a flaw with him in talent evaluation. He 2451 01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,479 Speaker 1: thinks about that other stuff sometimes too much and rather 2452 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,160 Speaker 1: than just take the best player. 2453 01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:39,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot. 2454 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:43,040 Speaker 19: Of Like there's times where like even even listen and 2455 01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,720 Speaker 19: I am the furthest thing from a football expert. I'm 2456 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,920 Speaker 19: the fan that just watches you know, I don't I'm 2457 01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,519 Speaker 19: not even you know, on your guys' level. But like 2458 01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,400 Speaker 19: I watched the drabty and I see him pick things, 2459 01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:54,400 Speaker 19: and I go, what. 2460 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,720 Speaker 1: Is he doing? Like, what is it? 2461 01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:01,920 Speaker 19: Three years ago or maybe four years ago, I was 2462 01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,000 Speaker 19: literally praying that we would take a J. Brown in 2463 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,439 Speaker 19: the draft. He was he was talking about how he 2464 01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:12,040 Speaker 19: always dreamed for playing for the Patriots perfectly, and they 2465 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,000 Speaker 19: skipped them and they kill Harry. 2466 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:16,760 Speaker 5: Okay, but there's a difference between. 2467 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,640 Speaker 1: Like, see, all these things we're talking about, and you 2468 01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:20,960 Speaker 1: might be right, Paul, but all these things we're talking 2469 01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,759 Speaker 1: about is not coaching. I think when it comes to coaching, 2470 01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,600 Speaker 1: he is the best. It's this other part that. 2471 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,479 Speaker 19: Why don't reporters and maybe you guys could answer this. 2472 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,160 Speaker 19: But if I why why doesn't he ever have to 2473 01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,439 Speaker 19: answer it? Because if i'm I would love to go 2474 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,040 Speaker 19: to him and say, Bill, I'm cur. 2475 01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,040 Speaker 5: You do that, you do you come to the press 2476 01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:40,120 Speaker 5: conference and you do it. 2477 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,920 Speaker 4: So have you this I mean, in all seriousness, I'm 2478 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,280 Speaker 4: asking this legitimately. Have you listened to a lot of 2479 01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:46,080 Speaker 4: press conferences? 2480 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,800 Speaker 19: Oh well, he doesn't answer anything right, and and. 2481 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,439 Speaker 4: People have asked questions. Believe me, people have asked questions even. 2482 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,360 Speaker 19: Like but I'm but I'm just saying, like in the 2483 01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,519 Speaker 19: sense of you know, I listen, I'm I'm all about 2484 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,200 Speaker 19: respect you were like versus him, And I get that totally. 2485 01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:05,519 Speaker 19: And I'm not necessarily saying they should fire him, you know, 2486 01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,920 Speaker 19: because I mean, at the end of the day, I'm 2487 01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:10,679 Speaker 19: not saying that that's really going to solve a problem. 2488 01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,040 Speaker 19: I think that they should hire a DM, but I 2489 01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,640 Speaker 19: don't think he's going to solve a problem necessarily. But 2490 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,960 Speaker 19: because he is, I do think at the end of 2491 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,680 Speaker 19: the day, he knows a lot about the game and 2492 01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:22,080 Speaker 19: how to do, you know, coach and things like that. 2493 01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:24,679 Speaker 19: I think he's a better defensive coordinator than a head coach. 2494 01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:28,960 Speaker 19: But you know, I just I want to know, like, 2495 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,639 Speaker 19: what is he He's looking at film all day? How 2496 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,840 Speaker 19: is it that me, as a fan that doesn't watch 2497 01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,200 Speaker 19: any film, could look at look at the dress and 2498 01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,200 Speaker 19: say that was the worst, the worst pick I've ever 2499 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,680 Speaker 19: seen my entire life. But these people are studying it 2500 01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,720 Speaker 19: every day and they don't even see that. 2501 01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:43,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that. 2502 01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:45,880 Speaker 6: I feel that too, and that's why sometimes I feel 2503 01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,840 Speaker 6: her guy all right, thanks, I felt the same way. 2504 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,680 Speaker 4: Of I mean, I feel like it's the same thing. 2505 01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:55,560 Speaker 6: I've been doing draft big boards since twenty eleven, So 2506 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,360 Speaker 6: what thirteen years of like looking at guys and trying 2507 01:47:58,400 --> 01:47:59,680 Speaker 6: to pick guys and you know. 2508 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,240 Speaker 4: You you hate to say, well, you know, it's just 2509 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:04,080 Speaker 4: you put a lot of time into I started calling 2510 01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:04,519 Speaker 4: him Joel. 2511 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,800 Speaker 6: He's basically a g But like when they pick guys 2512 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,479 Speaker 6: and you're like what you know? But it can't you 2513 01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,280 Speaker 6: feel stupid because you're like, I'm on the outside. They 2514 01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,840 Speaker 6: have guys working twenty four hours watching all the film 2515 01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:17,760 Speaker 6: and they, you know, go to cold Stranger's like you know, 2516 01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:19,640 Speaker 6: mother in law and what she say about him, and 2517 01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,400 Speaker 6: they know everything there is to know about this guy, 2518 01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,120 Speaker 6: you know, and you're just sitting there going like, I. 2519 01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,200 Speaker 4: Don't know, he looks like he's really small. And then 2520 01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:27,960 Speaker 4: it's kind of what my reaction was when they drafted 2521 01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:29,880 Speaker 4: in the third round. 2522 01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's too much that he considers other 2523 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:37,160 Speaker 1: than talent and and you know, strengthening connections that he 2524 01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:38,639 Speaker 1: has with other coaches. 2525 01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,560 Speaker 5: But like all, like the caller is saying, he's the 2526 01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,599 Speaker 5: most overrated coach of all time, none of this has 2527 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,320 Speaker 5: to do with coaching, right, Like you're all talking about 2528 01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:50,400 Speaker 5: like player evaluation and stuff like what you know, I 2529 01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,160 Speaker 5: will say, I'm not going to try to go like all, 2530 01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:54,320 Speaker 5: and I was on you, but like I do think 2531 01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:54,640 Speaker 5: you know. 2532 01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,479 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was thinking about this on 2533 01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,200 Speaker 1: the drive to work today, you know, I was thinking 2534 01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:00,920 Speaker 1: about the first thing I said, but then I the 2535 01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,880 Speaker 1: other flaw I think he has does have to do 2536 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,759 Speaker 1: with coaching, in his treatment of players and his sometimes 2537 01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:12,280 Speaker 1: draconian rules. You know, you fumble and you know, uh, 2538 01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,479 Speaker 1: that's it. You're on the bench if you're a rookie. 2539 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,599 Speaker 1: That those types of things, I think, nurturing young players 2540 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:22,240 Speaker 1: if they're not immediately like you know, right in tune 2541 01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,360 Speaker 1: with the way he wants things done. It's it's tough 2542 01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,920 Speaker 1: to recover from that as a player on a Bill 2543 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,240 Speaker 1: Belichick team, and I think, you know, maybe twenty years 2544 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:32,160 Speaker 1: ago that was okay. 2545 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,920 Speaker 6: But you gotta how many other coaches are like that 2546 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,400 Speaker 6: right now in the league, because I mean, Mike Mike 2547 01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,920 Speaker 6: McDaniel will be probably like the polar opposite of just 2548 01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,320 Speaker 6: kind of a you know, goofy players coach who's a 2549 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,479 Speaker 6: little bit of a wiz nerd. And I agree, though, 2550 01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,360 Speaker 6: I just I wonder if that message isn't just hitting 2551 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,439 Speaker 6: these this generation now where it's really disciplined, really hard. 2552 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,760 Speaker 4: I think that some of those guys I agree with that, 2553 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:58,000 Speaker 4: by the way, but I think that there's still like 2554 01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:00,680 Speaker 4: there's a lot of players coach that are coming in. 2555 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,640 Speaker 4: But I think there's plenty of disciplinarians too. But I 2556 01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,880 Speaker 4: think that they have adapted more than Bill does with 2557 01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,920 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. That's I think Andy Reid is 2558 01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,519 Speaker 4: that is a Belichick kind of coach, like you, a 2559 01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,120 Speaker 4: very demanding program, puts a lot of time into it. 2560 01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,760 Speaker 4: I think I think Kyle Shanahan's probably like that. I 2561 01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,320 Speaker 4: don't think Kyle Shanahan's a like a barrel laughs to 2562 01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,759 Speaker 4: play for I think you look the way he's treated 2563 01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,200 Speaker 4: his quarterbacks the last couple of years. Uh, you know 2564 01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,479 Speaker 4: what he did to Garoppolo even and not that he 2565 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,920 Speaker 4: deserved you know, Brady treatment, but I mean they treated 2566 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,240 Speaker 4: him like garbage at times. Like I don't think that 2567 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,880 Speaker 4: all of these guys are all quote unquote play Like 2568 01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,320 Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel looks like a player's coach. He looks like 2569 01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,720 Speaker 4: he's sort of you know, and I'll be curious to 2570 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:46,920 Speaker 4: see how that, you know, lasts, how that endures. Just 2571 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,759 Speaker 4: sometimes you start to lose control a little bit when. 2572 01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,439 Speaker 5: Bill is a Bill's best trade to me other than 2573 01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,960 Speaker 5: game planning. Game planning I think might be number one. 2574 01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:01,280 Speaker 5: But he the way he teaches the game is unmatched, 2575 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,439 Speaker 5: unmatched and his ability to I can't tell people how 2576 01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,840 Speaker 5: hard it is to watch a live practice and have 2577 01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,040 Speaker 5: watch all twenty two guys go through a rep and 2578 01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,639 Speaker 5: then be able to correct all twenty two guys. 2579 01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,000 Speaker 4: And we've seen it in real time, like go up 2580 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:18,280 Speaker 4: to the. 2581 01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,600 Speaker 5: Guy and be like, your hand was here, if you 2582 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,120 Speaker 5: put your hand there, then you know, like that type 2583 01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:25,680 Speaker 5: of just little details like that, like you would be 2584 01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,640 Speaker 5: amazed by how much forty chess he is playing in 2585 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,400 Speaker 5: that respect, like it's only over everybody's head. 2586 01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:34,799 Speaker 1: Besides that you hear from players is how he teaches, 2587 01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,840 Speaker 1: Like coaching is teaching, and he's he's the best at it. 2588 01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:43,040 Speaker 1: He's able to simplify it and give each person their 2589 01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,519 Speaker 1: responsibility and explain it to them in a way that 2590 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:46,880 Speaker 1: they completely understand it. 2591 01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:49,040 Speaker 4: If you want to make an argument that he's not 2592 01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,720 Speaker 4: as great as he's made out to be, you could 2593 01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:54,360 Speaker 4: probably make that argument, because who is you know, when 2594 01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,479 Speaker 4: they're the great ones, you know, like they get credit. 2595 01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:59,200 Speaker 4: But I would push back on anybody who questions his 2596 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,679 Speaker 4: foot the other way. I haven't said it. I've watched 2597 01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,680 Speaker 4: practices for twenty five years and have been amazed at 2598 01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,240 Speaker 4: how much teaching he does on the practice field. 2599 01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing I question is when a guy 2600 01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,760 Speaker 1: who has talent starts to fall off the program a 2601 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,800 Speaker 1: little bit, how much effort or ability does Bill have 2602 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,120 Speaker 1: to one on one kind of bring that person back 2603 01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,280 Speaker 1: to the fold or does he just say I don't 2604 01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,680 Speaker 1: have time for that. Ye you know, like, is there 2605 01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,360 Speaker 1: an effort that goes into guys who you know have 2606 01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:32,280 Speaker 1: potential but just aren't listening? 2607 01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,160 Speaker 6: Does he well, that's That's where my head went because 2608 01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,560 Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think everybody should probably agree that, 2609 01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:39,960 Speaker 6: like sitting down trying to teach the game of football, 2610 01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,879 Speaker 6: that he is probably the best, but right now getting everybody, 2611 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,680 Speaker 6: Like there's the aspect of coaching of getting everyone on 2612 01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,479 Speaker 6: the same page and motivating the team, and I think 2613 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,920 Speaker 6: right now this this team is having trouble with that. 2614 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:52,519 Speaker 1: Those things. 2615 01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:57,040 Speaker 5: I mean, like he his meetings on Wednesdays, like the 2616 01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,200 Speaker 5: first game plan meeting of the week, when he is 2617 01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:03,960 Speaker 5: the entire team, he gives like a synopsis of the 2618 01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:07,479 Speaker 5: entire organization of who they're playing, oh yeah, from the 2619 01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:11,000 Speaker 5: owner on down, and he talks about the coaching staff 2620 01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,760 Speaker 5: in their roots, like what systems their roots are in, 2621 01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,320 Speaker 5: and all this kind of stuff to try to tell 2622 01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,840 Speaker 5: the players, this is their offense, this is their these 2623 01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,160 Speaker 5: are their staple plays, this is their bread and butter. 2624 01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,360 Speaker 5: This is what we got to do to take away things, 2625 01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,920 Speaker 5: and that I still don't think there's anybody better at that, 2626 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,400 Speaker 5: like of really knowing, you know, all the ins and 2627 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,960 Speaker 5: outs of all thirty two head coaches and all thirty 2628 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,640 Speaker 5: two offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators and being able to 2629 01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,200 Speaker 5: then say like these are the three things that they're 2630 01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,479 Speaker 5: gonna do to us, and if we can stop it, 2631 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:44,760 Speaker 5: then we're gonna be in good shape. 2632 01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:47,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. A couple of weeks ago 2633 01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,439 Speaker 1: they asked him about the Commanders and he's like, oh, 2634 01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:51,280 Speaker 1: I know, Preston Marshall on the team. And then he 2635 01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, and like, you know, he went through the ownership, 2636 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, tree of the Commanders, just like off the 2637 01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,960 Speaker 1: top of his head. This November, every Friday is like 2638 01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,519 Speaker 1: Black Friday at Bob's Discount Furniture, and that means you 2639 01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,599 Speaker 1: gets surprising unlocks every Friday of the month on top 2640 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:12,000 Speaker 1: of Bob's every day low prices. Shot Bob's Black Friday 2641 01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:16,240 Speaker 1: Unlocks in store or online. Bob's Discount Furniture the official 2642 01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:19,080 Speaker 1: furniture store of the New England Patriots. Yeah, Black Friday 2643 01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:20,720 Speaker 1: is coming up. I can't wait for the video. It's 2644 01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,639 Speaker 1: the football game, right, Yeah. I love the Yeah, they're 2645 01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:24,840 Speaker 1: gonna have a first. Is that the first Friday game 2646 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:25,519 Speaker 1: they've ever done? 2647 01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:26,040 Speaker 4: I think so? 2648 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:26,720 Speaker 14: Yeah? 2649 01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:31,160 Speaker 1: I think so. Let's go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's 2650 01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:31,799 Speaker 1: up Eldred? 2651 01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:37,360 Speaker 9: Hey, fellas, how y'all doing it all right? Well? I'm 2652 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,320 Speaker 9: I'm gonna kind of piggyback off that other caller, the 2653 01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:45,360 Speaker 9: last caller. It ain't dead. He's a bad coat. It's 2654 01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:45,880 Speaker 9: just that. 2655 01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:46,240 Speaker 15: Uh. 2656 01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,480 Speaker 9: And I ain't gonna say he's the Personnail, you know, 2657 01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:53,400 Speaker 9: don't reckon that. I think his his thing is it's 2658 01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:58,640 Speaker 9: the money, you know, AJ Brown or AJ Green or whoever. 2659 01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,600 Speaker 9: He won't pay that, and he thinks his system is it, 2660 01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:05,560 Speaker 9: you know. And like like you said a long time ago, 2661 01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:09,600 Speaker 9: I can get the top fifteen quarterback to run my system. Well, 2662 01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,400 Speaker 9: they named Tom Brady. And I'll say this again every 2663 01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:17,200 Speaker 9: time a great quarterback league, not the coach. It's five 2664 01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,200 Speaker 9: to ten, maybe longer, but a team get back, reverent. 2665 01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:25,200 Speaker 9: And like I said, the Cowboys Steelers forty nine ers, 2666 01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:27,880 Speaker 9: you know, until you know, they start winning a little bit. 2667 01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,120 Speaker 9: But the Cowboys adn't got back yet. He the Buffalo 2668 01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:35,760 Speaker 9: did they have Minnesota, you know. So it's it's mainly 2669 01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:40,000 Speaker 9: the player. Is that main quarterback, and that's Brady. I 2670 01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:41,640 Speaker 9: know y'all won't give a Billy. I give a Billy 2671 01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,960 Speaker 9: accolades too, But like I said before, Bill't not one 2672 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:50,040 Speaker 9: touchdown pass that a two minute drive and Brady But that's. 2673 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,360 Speaker 1: That I got. That's true. 2674 01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,560 Speaker 4: I got a question for you. I got a question 2675 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:53,920 Speaker 4: for the old. 2676 01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:55,760 Speaker 6: Is it a priority if they were to bring someone 2677 01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:01,440 Speaker 6: new that somebody who wants to spend a lot of money, a. 2678 01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:04,200 Speaker 9: Lot of money. I know you can't pay everybody, but 2679 01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,840 Speaker 9: you need key person keep people in a certain position. 2680 01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,640 Speaker 9: And I'm tired of everybody's saying we never had the people. 2681 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,920 Speaker 9: You had the people for the last four draft. They're 2682 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,720 Speaker 9: right there. He grabbed his people. You know they've been there. 2683 01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,680 Speaker 9: You know, like they wanted a J. Brown, I want 2684 01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,720 Speaker 9: a DK Metcalf. And I guarantee you if you got 2685 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,720 Speaker 9: DK Metcalf last year that Brady was there, Brady still 2686 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,840 Speaker 9: be playing now because he's just what he wanted NFL 2687 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:30,040 Speaker 9: wide receivers that can you know, make them plays. And 2688 01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:32,440 Speaker 9: then if then have got digs, the wh diggs try 2689 01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,960 Speaker 9: to get there, Brady still be playing, you know, until 2690 01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,720 Speaker 9: he retired. But it been with being with the Patriots, 2691 01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,640 Speaker 9: you had the greatest play of all Damn time. 2692 01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:42,080 Speaker 1: Does it? 2693 01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,440 Speaker 9: Does it hurt what he wants and he move out? Yeah, 2694 01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:45,760 Speaker 9: that's all I gotta say. 2695 01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:50,920 Speaker 1: Thanks, Aldred, all right, keep going, Mike, Well there, I 2696 01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:54,160 Speaker 1: like what Mike gets good show. We'll be back tomorrow 2697 01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,240 Speaker 1: is the playbook? Uh today, plook today? 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