1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Most specifically, that makes 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: this this week's listener mail segment. And we end every 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: episode by telling you numerous ways to get into contact 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: with us, because you are the most important part of 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: this show, and we take some time every week to 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: bring your message is to your fellow listers. We've got 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: We've got some weird ones here. So before we get started, 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: it is a very important announcement. Trigger warning, a disclaimer. 17 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: We are dealing with disturbing, very mature themes. You will 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: encounter descriptions of sexual violence in today's episode, so be warned. 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: This may not be suitable for all audiences. This is 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: something that many of you have been hearing in the 21 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: news lately. Um, we've obviously been in a time that 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: has been very challenging for a lot of folks in 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: terms of the treatment of folks that are coming to 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: this country from other countries. Um and some of the 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: rhetoric behind that that's been very strong, and some of 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the physical treatment in the you know, rounding up of 27 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: children and camps and the notion of like you know, 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: images of of kids being kept in cages and separated 29 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: from their families and you know, stuff that just has 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: this this real, just nasty, dystopian kind of feel to it. 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Um And and the story we're about to talk today 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: is absolutely just an escalation of that in the worst, 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: most invasive way one could imagine, essentially. And this is 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: all based on a whistle blower complaint and it is 35 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: under investigation. So I think, Ben, you can correct me 36 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here, but most of this is still 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: falling under the category of allegedly would you would you agree? 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: So uh, let's let's get into that a little further. 39 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: And I don't want to over caveat but I just 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: this is very sensitive stuff. The idea that the Department 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services is investigating forced sterilizations hysterectomys 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: um being performed on UM Immigrants in detainment in a 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: particular detainment center UH in Georgia are are our home state. UM. 44 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: The essentially a woman by the name of don Wootton 45 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: who is a licensed practical nurse UM UH submitute twenty 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: seven complaints and filed by Projects South and the Government 47 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Accountability Project UM earlier this week UM saying that she 48 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: had heard reports from women in this center where she's working, 49 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: this detainment center, saying that there had been a doctor 50 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: coming around and essentially, without their permission, without consent, removing 51 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: their UH their uterus is essentially preventing them from ever 52 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: having children. Right. This is something that many of our 53 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: fellow listeners have written in UH to ask us about, 54 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: whether via social media, email, or our phone number. UH. 55 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: And there's there's one email in particular that was very 56 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: to the point about the correct that's right. It was 57 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Diana from Guatemala writing in just to say that she 58 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: loves the show and was hoping that we would consider 59 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: doing an episode on the allegations of ice detention centers 60 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: forcibly sterilizing women. UM. I I would agree Ben that 61 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: this topic and a lot of the history that's wrapped 62 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: up in this because it's very triggering, brings to mind 63 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of historical precedents that we'll talk about um 64 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: in a bit. But I think it's possible that that 65 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: this might as we follow the story see where it leads, 66 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: it might be worth a larger discussion a full episode. 67 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: But um, for now, I think we can we can 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of start the conversation here. UM. So, yeah, that 69 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: that means what we know this thus far is what 70 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I said. There is a nurse who was reporting these 71 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: these occurrences of women in this detention center being forcibly 72 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: sterilized um having hysterectomies performed on them. And it came 73 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: from women essentially coming to her and feeling comfortable and 74 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: saying very matter fact ly, you know, referring to this 75 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: one particular doctor as the uterus Man or something like that. 76 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: Like so there's some very very dark, macabre, almost tongue 77 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: in cheek kind of nickname that they had for this gentleman. 78 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe Ben you saw that. I think I 79 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: heard that on NPR, and I'm forgive me if I'm 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: not getting it quite right, but she heard it from others, 81 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: heard it from multiple people. Yeah, the uterus collector. That's right, 82 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: thanks doc Um the uterus collector? Is what this This 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: gentleman's nickname was um Ben. What do we know about 84 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: this doctor? So we know several several pieces of confirmed 85 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: information about this doctor. Doctor Mahindra I mean a M 86 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: I n U dr I mean, is the number one 87 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: person accused by Wootten of conducting these forced non consensual hysterectomys. 88 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: Hysterectomy is Uh. In these situations, it is a permanent procedure. 89 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: It's not like vasse ectomy, you know what I mean. 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: You can't realign the tubes and allow someone to enter 91 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: the reproductive population once again. That is why this is 92 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: largely considered. When proven and an indication of genics of genocide, 93 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: it qualifies as a war crime. Uh. This doctor is 94 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: not a O B G Y N. We know that. 95 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: A spokesperson for the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology 96 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: told The Daily Beasts that this doctor was not board certified. 97 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: Being board certified is typically a voluntary thing of voluntary certification. 98 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: Medical professionals take. Uh. This doctor did not do it. Uh. 99 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: It did not in any way impede this doctor from 100 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: conducting these alleged and again non consensual hysterectomys. This is 101 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: really recent news, by the way, we're recording this episode 102 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: on September. Any first, uh, the whistleblower report came out 103 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: in September, just earlier this month. And it's close to 104 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: home for the stuff. They don't want you to know 105 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: family here because it occurred, I guess we do have 106 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: to say allegedly. It occurred at the Irwin County Detention 107 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Center in Georgia, which is a private entity. So please 108 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: check out our earlier work on the problem with privatized prisons. 109 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Now this this doctor who's who's received the brunt of 110 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: these accusations denies it um and his lawyer made a 111 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: statement saying that he looks forward to all the facts 112 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: coming out. The accusations are going to be fully um 113 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: investigated by an independent office. However, ICE itself also disputes 114 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: any of the implications that attainees are being used for. 115 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: And and this is the interesting, uh somewhat telling part 116 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: of the quote here experimental metical procedures. I mean at 117 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: its heart they hysterectomy or a UM. This type of 118 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: sterilization isn't really an experimental medical procedure. It's it's one 119 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: that's you know, very standard. Uh. I think it's interesting language. 120 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. UM, and I do want to 121 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: in a little bit talk about the history of UM 122 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: governments in the United States ordering experimental medical procedures that 123 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: often affect people who are in minorities or people of color. UM. 124 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: But Matt, you you had mentioned UM looking up some 125 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: stats about laws surrounding this kind of thing in various 126 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: parts of the country. Yes, I want to talk about 127 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: the history in the US of laws that would essentially 128 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: equate to sterilization abuse. Really is what it would be, UM, 129 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: sterilizing someone against their will for a reason that the 130 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: state has deemed would be appropriate. UM. You have to 131 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: go back to seven in Indiana when all law was 132 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: passed there that was it was very much based on 133 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: eugenics and UH, essentially granting the right to sterilize someone 134 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: that was seen not fit to be a part of 135 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: the gene pool, someone with a low i Q. I 136 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: believe is then there were terms that were estabbled that 137 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: were associated with these different folks. Correct, there were, and 138 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: it began there in Indiana seven, and then it trickled 139 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: out into thirty plus other states within the United States, 140 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: and with all of those laws that you know, went 141 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: out there into the states around at least, according to CNN, 142 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: around sixty thou people were sterilized in procedures that would 143 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: qualify as being compulsory or forced sterilizations. Um the majority 144 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of whom were women, by the way, or if you 145 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: want to the majority of whom had female biological sex. 146 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Given the misogyny of the time, I think it's also 147 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: important to point out that the Nazi government took the 148 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: results of this, took the statistics here from this practice 149 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: that went on for decades, and use that data as 150 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: a rationalization or in their minds and indication that non 151 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: consensual sterilization was both feasible and humane in the great 152 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: mission to mold humans into whatever given governments, a femeral 153 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: idea of what a quote unquote good person is supposed 154 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: to be. This is something that should be very close 155 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: to home to everyone listening to this show or if 156 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: this is a YouTube clip, to this YouTube clip. Forcible 157 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: sterilization is occurring not just in the US, but in 158 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: multiple parts of the world. We've talked at length about 159 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the ongoing mistreatment of people who are on the wrong 160 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: side of the North Korean regime or government. We've also 161 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: talked about ethnic minorities in the PRC in China. People 162 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: are being forcibly sterilized, and they're being forcibly sterilized because 163 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: we are we are past the point of the ninet thirties, 164 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: We are past the point of Unit seven thirty one 165 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: in World War Two or the atrocities of the Nazi Party. 166 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: For Sterilization is never an accident. For Sterilization at scale 167 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: is by design, and it is by design shot like 168 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: an arrow through the air toward a very specific goal 169 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: or target, and that target is ultimately the eradication of 170 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: a certain population based on their ethnicity, based on their 171 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: perceived difference from a dominant majority. That's right, and we've 172 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: seen that throughout history, Like Matt, the research that you're 173 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: referring to, and the really disgusting part of our history 174 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: as a country. UH started off being white men that 175 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: were being forcibly sterilized by and large UH, and then 176 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: they applied terms like feeble minded or unfit to be 177 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: part like you said, it's unfit to be part of 178 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: the gene pool, and it was a form of eugenics 179 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: that's right, mentally defective. But then uh, it became much 180 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: more focused from ninety seven to nineteen sixty six. By 181 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: the way, yikes, it was black women who are most 182 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: likely to be forcibly sterilized by the government. Um, and 183 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: you know desegregation was happening. Um, you know there was 184 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: a sense of like, how do we shadow band these 185 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: people and keep them from you know, reproducing. Uh that 186 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: there's no other way around it. Um. It was absolutely 187 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: based on racism and stereotypes around quote unquote mental fitness, 188 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, to to be part of society, and we 189 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: are Look, I don't want anyone to accuse us of 190 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: jumping the gun being alarm messed about this one isolated 191 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: case of this potentially rogue doctor who may not have 192 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: even done these things. You know, he's denying it. We'll 193 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: let the facts fall where they may. But guys, I 194 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: mean we were talking a little bit off Mike, and 195 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: it sure feels like this has intention behind it. Well. Yeah, 196 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: when there are clear historical examples that you can point 197 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: to of the same thing happening or very very similar 198 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: things happening, it certainly lends it to feel at least 199 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: as though there's more credence to the claims, even if 200 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: they are as of yet unproven. That's certainly the way 201 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: it feels with this. Um. Although this is a topic 202 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: that I think everyone is going to feel strongly about, 203 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: and I would say of people would be against this, 204 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: I certainly hope so. But it it feels as though 205 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: something that is pulling at our emotional heart strings. So 206 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: I would just say, personally, it makes me feel a 207 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: bit cautious, um, and just just just a bit when 208 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: thinking about perhaps there's something more at play here. UM. 209 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: I think we have to keep that option open until 210 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: there's proven. And I would just say there has to 211 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: be some kind of internal investigation or third party investigation 212 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: to see if any of these claims are true. Yeah, 213 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: that's the that's one of the issues. One thing I 214 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: respect about our whistleblower here, uh ms Wutten if you're listening, 215 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: is that there's not hyperbolic language in the report. It's 216 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: the twenty seven page report which you can find online, 217 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: and in that uh wouten is Wuton is clearly saying 218 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: this occurs in the Irwin Detention Center. There are no 219 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: sensationalistic nor alarmist claims about some sort of countrywide or 220 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: nationwide sterilization initiative. And you're right, have to be careful 221 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: about the court of public opinion because one problem with 222 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: the court of public opinion is that it doesn't care 223 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: whether it's right or wrong, because you know, you print 224 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: the headline one week, you print the retraction on page 225 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: thirty two the next week. Right, But this is fundamentally 226 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: if it occurs, an unclean thing. Now, there's a great 227 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: argument to be made, or valid argument to be made 228 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: that even in the realm of medicine, mistakes can happen. Right, 229 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: Let's not forget that there are people who are lauded surgeons, 230 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: medical professionals in their field, and even they have for 231 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: one doofy innocent reason or another accidentally sown someone up 232 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: and left, like left a surgical instrument in them. Right. Uh, 233 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is mistakes happen. But this is a 234 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: very if all of this is true, and there is 235 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: copious eyewitness you know, evidence or hear say about this, 236 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: If all of this is true, then that's a very 237 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: very specific kind of mistake to make over a very 238 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: widespread amount of a population. You know what I mean, 239 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: Like you can you you can plausibly you I'm trying 240 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: to think of a good analogy. Um, you can plausibly 241 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: fall into someone and bump them if you're walking by right, 242 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: you can lose your balance. But if you continue doing that, 243 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and every person that you quote accidentally fall into has 244 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: strong demographic similarities, and eventually you have to ask, is 245 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: this person really falling and they're really making a mistake, 246 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: or are they pushing these people? And I'm not at 247 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: all equivocating the gravity of those things. Pushing someone on 248 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: the street because you're a jerk is a lot different 249 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: from removing someone's ability to reproduce, effectively ending their genetic 250 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: lineage on this planet. But that to be clear, if 251 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: these allegations are true, that is what we were talking about. Yeah, 252 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: well and not And not to get overly political about it, 253 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: but um are amazing producer um Doc pointed out off 254 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: air that a lot of the folks that you know 255 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: are supporting some of these camps. You know they're there. 256 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: They consider themselves pro life people, which is just an 257 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: interesting thing to consider. I don't know. Again, I don't 258 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: want to be too divisive here. Um, we don't know 259 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: all the facts yet. But if that is, if this 260 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: is that if this is being pushed by some of 261 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: these individuals, I would find that to be a very 262 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: extreme example of hypocrisy. Yeah. Uh, you know, I'm sorry. 263 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: I don't mean to come off as though I'm not 264 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: believing our whistle blower here, UM that that is certainly 265 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. I think I'm I can sense 266 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: how infuriated I am by the possibility that this is true, 267 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: and I am am to myself, and I think a 268 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: lot of us have to almost fight those feelings a 269 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: little bit to try and remain a little more level headed. 270 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna um to read something from the CNN article. 271 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: It's a quote from Alan crout A, an immigration historian 272 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: and professor with American University. UM, he says, without evidence, 273 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: I really hesitate to say, yeah, they're probably doing sterilizations 274 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: just the way they used to in the nineteen twenties. 275 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say that. That's a really heavy 276 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: duty accusation, he says. And I think we should all 277 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: be asking is there any evidence of this? Not just 278 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: rumor not just he said she said, but an investigation. 279 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: There needs to be an investigation of who's been mistreated, 280 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: how they've been mistreated, and whether or not there's anything 281 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: to this, because it is extremely extremely serious. Right, it 282 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: does not It does not look good. No, I want 283 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: to get in front of something really quick here, Matt. 284 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: First off, I don't think you're in any way disparaging 285 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: anybody here. I think we're being very fair about this. 286 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: And I would like to also point out one of 287 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the immediate questions is why would someone get hysterectomy? Right, 288 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: That's something that I think we've skipped over, but I 289 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: just want to be clear on this part. One of 290 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: the big reasons that someone would be advised by their 291 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: doctor to get a hysterectomy would be suffering from the 292 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: condition known as endometriosis. It's it's a fairly common condition, 293 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: and it's not very well understood. We know that it 294 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: can strike women of any socioeconomic class or race, or 295 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: age or whatever categorical filter you want to put on there. 296 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: Between ten to twenty of women in the US of 297 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: childburing age have endometriosis. So there. The thing is, that's 298 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: not like a contagious disease, you know what I mean. 299 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: It's not like COVID, like if you're trapped in a 300 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: prison where COVID is rampant, that you're probably going to 301 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: get it. But if you're imprisoned with people who have endometriosis, 302 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're going to get it too, you 303 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not like it's not as if, um, 304 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: these doctors are attempting to combat something that is spreading 305 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: in the once again deplorable conditions in which these people 306 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: are being imprisoned. I'm using the word imprisoned instead of detained. 307 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. As a matter 308 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: of fact, I think detained is a little dishonest at 309 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: this point. Yeah. Yeah. With that being said, what we 310 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: can see happening, I would argue here are three or 311 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: four potential avenues for the future. First, perhaps with the 312 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: best of intentions, this whistleblower turns out to be incorrect 313 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: on balance, that would be a good thing because it 314 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: would mean that forcible sterilization is not occurring. Uh. And 315 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: our second path would be it is confirmed in heart 316 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: right some people have had this procedure done without their 317 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: consent for one reason or another. The third would be 318 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting increasingly dystopian here. The third would be confirmation 319 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: that's not only happening in Irwin, but it's happening at 320 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: other detainment centers. The fourth would be that the story 321 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: gets buried and becomes something that's talked about less and less. 322 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: And that's that's frightening because consider that, um over, I 323 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: think the course of nine thirty to nine seventy, like 324 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: a third of people were biologically sexy female in in 325 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico were sterilized. Forcibly, this is not science fiction. 326 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: This is not some sort of um, some sort of cute, 327 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: kitchy super villain in a Bond movie thing. This is real. 328 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: This is happening, at least in history and at least 329 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: currently in other parts of the world. The big question 330 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: is whether it's happening in the US as well. If 331 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: you want to do a little more digging into some 332 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: of the really horrific past that we we sometimes forget. 333 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Remember that range I was talking about earlier in nineteen 334 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: sixty six. That's not that long ago. I mean some 335 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: of those laws weren't repealed until the seventies exactly. And 336 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: these things were actively happening in the in the late 337 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: mid to late sixties. Um But you you can dig 338 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: into this horrific history yourselves UM. And we've actually done 339 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: episodes on it, on this very show on some of 340 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: these experiments against the black community, in particular like Henrietta 341 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Lacks UM, the Tuskegee experiments, and the Father of Gynecology UM, 342 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: which is particularly horrific story Marion Sims, who you know, 343 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: has an incredibly checkered past UH and really kind of 344 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: fine tune some of these methods that are used today 345 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: by experimenting without anesthesia on UM black women. So you know, 346 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: there's a horrific past, even in something as simple as gynecology. 347 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: And you can find those episodes if you just look 348 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: up stuff that it wants you to know Human experimentation UM, 349 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: stuff that I want you to know, immortality UM that 350 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: talks about Henry Alax and her fascinating genome and the 351 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: way that that was used without her consent UM. So 352 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: there's really a lot that goes into this and a 353 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: lot more digging to do. And I do think this 354 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: is a story we're going to continue to follow and 355 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: possibly do a longer deep dive episode into in the future. Yes, 356 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: and we will return after a quick word from our sponsor. 357 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: All right, and we're back, And from here we're going 358 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: to jump to a call that we got from an 359 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: anonymous person about a subject that you're going about. You're 360 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: about to find out what it is. Let's just listen. Hey, 361 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: thank guy, got something for you guys. Um, it's about 362 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: it's a virus or malware called Eternal Blue. Um. There 363 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: was a group called the Shadow Brokers that actually broke 364 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: into the n s A and released Eternal Blue. Became 365 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: known to a bunch of people, and Microsoft today, three 366 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: years later, has yet to find a permanent fixed for it. 367 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: They released patches, but it continues to be a thing. 368 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: People still use it to this day, and I'm just 369 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: wondering if you guys might want to take a lick 370 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: into it and see why Microsoft has still not found 371 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: a good fixed for it. All right, have a good day, guy. 372 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: So this is a good one. Anonymous caller, right, Matt, 373 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: this is an anonymous one. Yes, as far as I 374 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: can tell. Unless there's some kind of secret code with 375 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: and within the zeros and ones there. Oh, I love it. Okay, Yeah, 376 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: So it's a it's kind of a live by the sword, 377 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: die by the sword sort of thing. Because the n 378 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: s A created this. This is like, this is the 379 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: equivalent of uh, stealing a top secret military craft and 380 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: then having it fly around cities with nobody on the 381 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: ground being able to stop it. Uh. It's it's strange 382 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: because if we talk a little bit about how it 383 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: works without getting too in the weeds, you can read 384 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: all this. Now. Everybody understands kind of how this thing 385 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: works or what it does. What Microsoft doesn't understand yet 386 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: years on is how to stop it from doing what 387 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: it likes to do. Uh. There's a vulnerability in SMB 388 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: or server Message Block protocol, and that is what Eternal 389 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Blue exploits. Part of the reason, arguably the Microsoft is 390 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: not yet able to combat this is that the n 391 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: s A got one of their secrets stolen, so they 392 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: didn't tell Microsoft about it. That's like like, imagine if 393 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: we were in charge of werewolves and we didn't want 394 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: anybody to know there's a werewolves got loose, and we're like, 395 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: we could save people's lives, but then everybody would know 396 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: we had werewolves, and we spent years saying maybe they'll 397 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: just think they're coyote. It's not a good look. Yeah, 398 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: and it's funny too. Even in the reporting about it, 399 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: it uses the word leaked rather than stolen. Which I 400 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: think is a telling in and of itself. It's almost 401 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: like the the onus is not on the n s 402 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: A for having lost something or having been infiltrated. It 403 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: was some bad actor from within the organization that purposefully 404 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: leaked it to try to humiliate them or something. I 405 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, it's It turns out it's basically 406 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: a weaponized line of code that operates in the same 407 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: way that other lines of code and the Microsoft operating 408 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: system are and and it's essentially welcomed into the ecosystem. 409 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: And then it does just what you said very effectively, 410 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: UM exploits this weakness in in that protocol. And what 411 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: what's the outcome? Ben, what's the desired Like is it 412 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: about stealing information? Is it about just jacking up people's 413 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: computer experiences? Like what's the goal here? And what have 414 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: people been experiencing when when they're infected by this UH 415 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: this malware, Well, specifically, it can freeze computers on mass 416 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: it can disrupt UH like, it can disrupt infrastructure services. 417 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: I think in twenty nineteen, there's a pretty great New 418 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: York Times article about this that details how Baltimore was 419 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: brought to a screeching halt by Eternal Blue water bills 420 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: can be sent out health alerts, real estate sales were disrupted. 421 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: It's strange because the good people of Baltimore pay their taxes, 422 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: and their taxes were used to create this this thing, 423 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: Eternal Blue. Uh. And what you say, a man, it 424 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: was they lost control of the toola. It was April. 425 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: It was April, I guess when it was a leaked 426 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: so twenty seventeen. Uh. There have been patches, as you said, anonymous, 427 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: there have been multiple patches released. But the problem is 428 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: once this thing got out into the world, other other 429 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: capable state actors started deploying it, using it to their advantage. 430 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Because really, what it does is it allows you to 431 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: manipulate this flaw and how how these servers work, and 432 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: this such that you are able to remotely execute any 433 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: code you wish. And when you say, this isn't just 434 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: like some script kitties off one of the chants, what 435 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean. North Korean government paid hackers have been using this. Uh. 436 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: They used it in the Wanna Cry ransomware attacks, which 437 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: might be familiar to some people. Yeah, and it's crazy 438 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: too because the n s A is is essentially disavowed 439 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: that this whole thing. They've never actually actively said yeah, 440 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: that was us, super sorry, um, even though Microsoft has 441 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: attributed it to the n s A UM and this 442 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: group of I guess hackers, uh, the shadow Brokers UM 443 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: released this in a series of releases. This was the 444 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: fifth of a series of releases of supposed NSA tools 445 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: UM and we still don't know who the shadow Brokers are. 446 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, as agencies like this tend to 447 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: do that, they're not exactly going to apologize. And like 448 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: you said, Ben, it's it was. It's more in their 449 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: best interests is to leave it be let somebody else 450 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: take credit for. But one thing I thought I was 451 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: interesting too is that Eternal Blue I believe was first 452 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: the name for the vulnerability in when, and then Eternal 453 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: Blue the malware was named after the vulnerability. And I 454 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: don't know if this is the case, but I kind 455 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: of picture it. Remember the blue screen of death, you 456 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: know when your computer just all of a sudden ghoes catatonic. 457 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: And it's just that that was exclusively a Microsoft thing 458 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: I've never really seen on a on a Mac. But 459 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. 460 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm just asking if you guys 461 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,239 Speaker 1: maybe have heard not heard all of this makes you 462 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: want to talk to Jonathan Strickland, because I fully don't 463 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: understand some of the stuff that's happening here in the 464 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: research stuff or in the words that I am attempting 465 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: to synthesize and then spit back out at everybody here. Um, 466 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: I I think I'm just a bit lost on whether 467 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: or not Eternal Blue was the was the exploit within 468 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: the system, was the update the security update, or was 469 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: something else? Because I know I understand want to cry, 470 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: which was ransomware that was built to exp bloyit the 471 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: problem that was that Eternal Blue was causing. But my 472 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: mind just I apologize, maybe you're feeling this way out there. 473 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: My mind just can't wrap around some of this. We'll 474 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: think about it this way, Okay. The way to explain it, 475 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: I think maybe through comparison and metaphor is this. Imagine 476 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: that Microsoft Windows is a human body, and the way 477 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: this body was built unintentionally, it has a hole in 478 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: the gut, and so they would start referring to this 479 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: as the hole in the gut, right, and then someone said, hey, 480 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: I figured out a way too for some insidious reason, 481 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: poke my finger in that hole in the gut because 482 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm a bad person, and then everybody starts just starts 483 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: calling that move hole in the gut. So that's what 484 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: eternal Blue. That's kind of how that's like the etymology 485 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: of it, because you're right, Noal, it was a system 486 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: vulnerability and window is OS, so internal is the exploit itself. 487 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: Internal Blue is the exploit, and its name is a 488 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: reference to the vulnerability. Got it, Yeah, exactly. That's that 489 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: is a little confusing for sure. And it was the 490 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: wann to cry, you know, thing that brought this more 491 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: to public attention because that was a bit more of 492 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: a high profile thing that they made some news. But 493 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: it had been being used for quite some time before 494 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: uh you know, it was it was leaked in, so 495 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, people have kind of figured out how to 496 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: use it properly. But you know, Microsoft, but the n 497 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: s A rather like you said, then, had chosen just 498 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: to kind of sit on their their hands when they 499 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: probably you know, let's say there's a new poison that's 500 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: making the rounds and killing people off, and the poison maker, 501 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: rather than having the power to release an antibody or 502 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: anti venom or whatever, just says, ah, just let him, 503 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: let him die off, and then we don't want to 504 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: bring too much attention to ourselves. But the NSA absolutely 505 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: probably could have helped, at the very least helped Microsoft 506 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: creed more effective patches, because I think the throw here 507 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: of the story is that Microsoft still doesn't fully know 508 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: how to deal with it, right, I mean that's again 509 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: it's state secrecy. There's a cost benefit analysis here. If 510 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: everybody knows we have werewolves, then what's the point of 511 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: having werewolves? We lose the advantage. So think about how 512 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: many operations, many likely illegal. Uh, the n s A 513 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: would have compromised by assisting with this m HM, which 514 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: is not you know, I'm not don't have any proof 515 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: on that. I'm just saying there's logic that we can 516 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: walk through here. The latest news I have on the 517 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: n s A side of it is that earlier this 518 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: month they just checked in and they said they have 519 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: no information on their ongoing probe into the identity of 520 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: the Shadow Brokers. So they still haven't They still say 521 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: they haven't identified them. Yeah. Um, And just to give 522 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: some some context, as late as May of twenty nineteen, 523 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: this exploit was still being exploited by by people with 524 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: nefarious ideas and and goals. Um. The city of Baltimore, 525 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times in May of got 526 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: large sections of their infrastructure shut down because their computers 527 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: that were hooked up to things um like health alerts 528 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: to water bills, real estate sales uh EVE, like internal 529 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: email servers within this, the local government there, they all 530 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: got shut down because this exploit was used too to 531 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: mess with computers and cause them to be nonfunctioning. Um. 532 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: This really intense that that was still having in nineteen. 533 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: It is confounding that there isn't some kind of fixed 534 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: or complete just redo of the operating system. I have 535 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: a proposition, what if what if there's a bit of 536 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: PR mixed in here? Right? Everybody for a few years, 537 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: every many people in the industry and in the intelligence world, 538 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: we're attempting to identify the shadow brokers. Right. It's kind 539 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: of like the search for the creator of stuck snet. 540 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: There may be an open secret, then nobody is officially 541 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: saying we know who created it or it maybe like 542 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: the polonium poisonings. Right, that is definitely to send a 543 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: message there's PR there. So what if and this is conspiratorial, 544 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: I have no proof here. What if the shadow brokers 545 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: are actually the n s A. What if the n 546 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: s A is hunting for itself? Because this is a 547 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: powerful statement. You know if they are, if they're making 548 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: a comment, that what a flex because if you know 549 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: the n s A created this. And furthermore, if you 550 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: think the n s A some ow purpose leaked it, 551 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: then your next step is to be very frightened of 552 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: the stuff they decided not to leak. Again, no proof, 553 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: And the biggest argument against this, I would say is 554 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: um is found in how Eternal Blue was deployed in 555 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: the Baltimore example. We've mentioned a couple of times now 556 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: in other examples like ransomware that is affecting private individuals, 557 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: and I would say also things that are affecting US businesses. 558 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: We have a very pro business government here in the US, 559 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: very pro private industry. So if you are the n 560 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: essay and you do want to do this flex and 561 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: it's an open secret that you did it, admitting that 562 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: puts you on the hook for like four million dollars 563 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: and losses for FedEx, six seventy million dollars losses for 564 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: murk you know what I mean, Like, you wouldn't even 565 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: if you perpetrated this kind of software false flag, you 566 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: could never admit it. You would be buried to the court. 567 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: Wait wait, nope, you're the n s A. Yeah, probably 568 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: still shouldn't admit it. For the record, I don't think 569 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: it was the n s A. We've talked about this before. 570 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: These organizations are huge. They're not monolithic, though it could 571 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: easily be a disgruntled group of employees all faction. I mean. 572 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: One of the craziest things that more people should be 573 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: talking about and this murky genre of intelligence, is that 574 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam has a very hard time hiring the kind 575 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: of hackers black hat and white hat alike that it needs. 576 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: Because the funny story is, and no judgment on anyone 577 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: for this, the funny story is that one of the 578 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: reasons they're having a bad, a tough time hiring people 579 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: at the federal level is because a lot of these 580 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: people are pro barrawata and they can't contest the security. 581 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: So I thought they loosened those because they were not 582 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: having any luck hiring those. I thought, I remember that 583 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: story being out and they sort of laxed those, uh 584 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: those rules a little bit because they weren't getting competitive 585 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: and people that were competitive with the folks that were 586 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: actually doing the stuff. You know, from what I understand, 587 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: they loosened, but they didn't completely do away with ye right, 588 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: because I mean that's the thing about hackers, right, Like, 589 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: they're they're very independent. I mean, they're they they sort 590 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: of like I don't know, I mean, maybe I'm being naive, 591 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: but like the idea of hacker to me is someone 592 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: who lives outside of the realm of like, you know, society, 593 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: and it's like some kind of maverick and going their 594 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: own way and just trying to um be independent and 595 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: do things their follow their own set of rules. They're 596 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: sort of a code as opposed to programmers, you know, 597 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: who are a little different. But you know, yeah, to 598 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: get someone who's legitimately an established hacker, who's got the 599 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: chops to compete with these folks, you're gonna have to 600 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: hire someone that's maybe not your typical government chill agree. 601 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I speak for a lot of 602 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: us in the crowd today when I say that. When 603 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: you think of hackers, of course, you have to think 604 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: of the breathtaking triumph of cinema known as hackers, so 605 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: classics piece of work. I just feel like at this 606 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: point we're obligated to put in a pop culture reference 607 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: to make this stuff less depressing, uh and and frightening. 608 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: But to your point, Matt, with this and and to 609 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: your point anonymous caller, it sounds like there's not It 610 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: sounds like there's not a solution. Uh. It sounds like 611 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: whomever has led this out into the world, even if 612 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: that person is even if that group, if the Shadow 613 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: Brokers are identified, go to court and go to jail 614 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: or go excuse me, go to prison or something like that, 615 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: it's already out there. Too. Many other people have this now, 616 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: and until there is a solid fix, there's absolutely no 617 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: reason to think these these attacks won't continue, you know 618 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: what I mean, every city could be Baltimore now. Yeah, 619 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: And you know what, I actually just searched news by date. 620 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: People are still talking about Eternal Blue right now, because 621 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: you're right, it is still occurring, and it is there 622 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 1: are computer large swaths of computers getting shut down still 623 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: in this thing. I did not realize that it's it's active. 624 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: I would ask our fellow conspiracy realists in the audience, what, 625 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: especially if you have expertise in this field. What do 626 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: you think the future is for Eternal Blue, What do 627 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: you think the future is for these exploits? What other 628 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: news do you think is going to hit the mainstream here? 629 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: This is interesting the industry of hacking. You know, the 630 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: government of China does something very clever with their uh, 631 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: very symmetrical warfare with the bot armies. You hear about 632 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: some shows about this in the past. Those folks are 633 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: technically just patriots. Think about that. They're just so motivated 634 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: by their ideology that they are choosing to hack. This 635 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: gives the government of China a succulent kind of plausible deniability, 636 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: the umami of saying we didn't tell them to do that. 637 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: I think we can see a similar strategy playing out 638 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: in in the future. But also, what's he building in there? 639 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: Tom Wait's reference. It makes me wonder what else the 640 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: NSA has up their sleeves in their top hat year 641 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: or so. They don't have to have anything in their 642 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: top hat. They just have a plug that is all 643 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: the stuff that you're looking at, and it goes into 644 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: their system and it records it. And they've got one 645 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: of those for every human being on the planet or 646 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: at least in this country. Oh and by the way, 647 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. Man. By the way, it's 648 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: been a long time shout out to Steve. Are n 649 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: s a intern who has to match and listen to 650 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: all these things. I hope schools going well, Steve Um. 651 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: And then also, uh, you know, let us know if 652 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: ever was there was a time to break your valve 653 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: silence man, why not? I'm sure this episode is hilarious 654 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: to everybody in the essay listening, They're like, oh my god, 655 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: eternal Blue, that was back. We made that in like 656 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: nighties six. Surely they've made Steve a full agent by now, right, 657 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: he's got to be pushing forward. Intern for life, always 658 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: a bride, never wait, bride'smaid, never a bride. Not sorry, Steve, 659 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: he loves weed way too much. I think Steve, we 660 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: all knew we were high right now. It's okay, Steve. 661 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of what this whole thing is about, 662 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: and we appreciate you being there for us. It's okay, Steve, 663 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm high to um. Well, uh with that, what do 664 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: you say to take a quick break? And then we 665 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: come back for a little more a listener mail and 666 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: we're back in more ways than one. Uh. What do 667 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: we mean by being back on multiple levels? We mean 668 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: that our YouTube channel is back. YouTube dot com slash 669 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff spelled the way it sounds. We've got a 670 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: new format of videos that you may be familiar with. Now. 671 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: I've got more stuff coming out in the future, but 672 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: we have something we'd like to share for you now 673 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: in a rapid fireway, and that is the golden world 674 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: of YouTube comments that rarefied air. Oh my favorite part, 675 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: favorite part, Matt had always been when someone would make 676 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: a very excellent salient point about, you know, the transition 677 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: of the gold standard and the interwar years, and then 678 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: I would respond to them with, you know, like, oh 679 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: all right, uh uh, sloppy dingle Berry four twenty xx. 680 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: That's a great point about shifting between one financial medium 681 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: to another. So what we thought we would do is 682 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: just give you a cavalcade, real quick re of some 683 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: of the YouTube comments that we have enjoyed on our 684 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: recent videos. Yes, uh, and we're gonna start with one 685 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: off of Oh Lord, which video is this? This is 686 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen ghost Ship Tour video and fiddling while 687 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: Rome Burns says he's citing me talking at one oh three, 688 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: and he says, you can see Spain from Dorset, apart 689 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: from a thousand miles of French mainland blocking the view. 690 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: The Earth would have to be flat to see something 691 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: like that far away on the horizon. Definitely something they 692 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Um fiddling while Rome burns, Uh, you, 693 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: my friend, are absolutely right because it is France and 694 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: not Spain. And I misspoke and I was wrong, and 695 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I am so so sorry. Matt. Give yourself, 696 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: I know, but it is, but it is true. So 697 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: kudos to a salient, scathing and funny comment on YouTube. 698 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm tackling ones from the clip about the ghost of Gibraltar, 699 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: which was your story, Matt. And let's see first with guy. 700 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: Let's see, I have never seen these guys, although I've 701 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: listened to them for years. Law. I always imagine Ben 702 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: as a guy in a black FBI type cap and sunglasses, 703 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: and that's not that far off, partially hidden in the shadows. 704 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: For some reason, glad to see him as a regular human. Law. Okay, Uh, 705 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, Ben, you you vacillated between exactly what she 706 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: described and said regular human. I have to say, all right, 707 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 1: I assure you he is not a regular human regular. 708 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: He's not a regular anything. He's extraordinary. Okay, bro, they 709 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: have returned um at the turn of the Tide. You 710 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: got that right. That's from User the Conspiracist. Then we've 711 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: got one from Phantom claw name that I really love. 712 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: Uh talking about the story of the Ghost of Gibraltar. 713 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: This is one sad ghost story, but at least it 714 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: has some kind of happy ending. To find out what 715 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: that happy and he is. Listen to the episode or 716 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: watch the YouTube video. Um, let's see one last one 717 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: for me for Ghost Gibraltar from Roger Scott Cathy. I 718 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: remember reading somewhere that there was a mystery regarding how 719 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: a certain animal on the rock got there, that it 720 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: was difficult to account for their presence, and the tunnels 721 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,720 Speaker 1: came up. I think they were apes, maybe the barbary apes, 722 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: that they migrated via the tunnels. Matt, did you run 723 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: into anything about barbary apes migrating through the tunnels of 724 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: Gibraltar in your research? Oh? Yeah, totally a ton of it, 725 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: and I just forgot to add it in for time. 726 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: So sorry, so many apes a little time, so we are. 727 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: I'll just it's all right. I'll just round out a 728 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: couple before we in this show. Uh shout out to 729 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: take Van Cleave who responded to our our YouTube clip 730 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: on mass hysteria and the screaming Girls of Malaysia. Take 731 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: you raise an excellent point when you say, I think 732 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: five to ten years ago I read of something similar, 733 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: meaning master to state, well, just check out the episode. 734 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: I read of something similar happening in South America, Brazil 735 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: or Guatemala perhaps. I think it was somewhere between seventh 736 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: and ninth grade. A group of girls used a wigia 737 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: board and they literally had to bring in several Catholic 738 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: priests to do a mass exorcism because madness was spreading 739 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: from girl to girl, where a total of approximately fifty 740 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: or so young girls were exhibiting similar symptoms. I saw 741 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 1: another commentator trying to implicate Islam as being the problem, 742 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: but like I said, other similar instances in South America 743 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: occurred where the kids were Catholic or Christian. If one 744 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: of the other commenters is correct and this was a 745 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: result of them messing around with the wigia board, then 746 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: I would say that would be the common factor in 747 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: the similar incidents, and not they're chosen faith. Well that 748 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: and they were both young females approximately the same age. 749 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to attempt to make that correlation. 750 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: I like my asked just the way it is, We'll 751 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: cut that last. Do you want to leave it in? 752 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, I was just laughing at the way. Yeah. 753 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty fascinating point because we have to 754 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: remember that other examples of similar outbreaks occur, and they 755 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: don't all occur in the Muslim world. You know what 756 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean? There there there's a wealth, there's a rich 757 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: ecosystem of intervening variables there and someone else holding Robin says, 758 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: seems like attention seeking behavior. If you live in a 759 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,239 Speaker 1: repressive society, I probably get a kick out of going 760 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: nuts with everyone else. Uh. And then you know it's 761 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's a there's a running thread for 762 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: these videos regarding the use of a Weiji board. So 763 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: let us know, do you think do you think the 764 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: Wegia board is the is the way to to pierce 765 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: the veil between the living world and the world of 766 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: the dead. Is it a mass marketed board game? Anyhow? 767 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: That one other one from Kim Jong Oon. We have 768 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: a video called is Kim Jong n in a coma 769 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: and shout out to Kim Jong Oom, who responded on YouTube, 770 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm not in a coma, John always Josh and around. 771 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: Is it a picture of Kim Jong un or a 772 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: picture of Kim Jong Ill? Oh? It is Ill. I 773 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: think you're right, dude. Yeah, see it's a picture of Ill. 774 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: But the the screen game was so so, you know, 775 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: curious er and curious or wait? Ben, no, no, I 776 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: have one more in here that I only read one comment. 777 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: There's one I had to get to. Uh it's it's 778 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 1: from the same one, the COVID nineteen ghost ship tour. 779 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, did I did already lose it? No, cat 780 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: On Crack says, I will let the strange news stuff 781 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: slide for these short YouTube videos. But what's up with 782 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: Australia North Korea? Ben? I believe you had flags for 783 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: both of these countries, or a you had a map 784 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: of Australia perhaps in a flag of North Korea. How 785 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: do you respond? Well, Cattle and Crack, thank you so 786 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: much for that astute and rather pointed question. That's our 787 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: show for today. That's our show for today. 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