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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuffworks dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark to my left, Charles W. Bryant to

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Speaker 1: my right, Jerry the Killer Roland. Yes, thank you, Chuck

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Speaker 1: to your immediate immediate right. Yeah, within two inches. It

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Speaker 1: looks like in sniffing distance. As she's pointed out, there's

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Speaker 1: enough of that. Okay. Yeah, Hey, so how you doing, great, sir, Chuck, Josh?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen art? I hate art, Chuck, Let's

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Speaker 1: let's do something different. Yeah that was nice though, Actually,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Chuck knows a guy who hates art? Yeah, one,

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Speaker 1: a guy who knows a guy who hates art. One

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Speaker 1: of my friends read Nick Cousin, said that one time,

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Speaker 1: I hate art, just art, whatever makes a lot of sense, movies, poetry, filmy, sculpture.

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Speaker 1: I hate art. A guy's name art. It's like that

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Speaker 1: old joke about a guy hanging on the wall. Go ahead, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to um. Actually, Chuck, we are we

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Speaker 1: have I think come and gone. On the twentieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of the largest art heist in US history. It happened

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Speaker 1: in Boston. Yes, men, what was the name of the museum,

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Speaker 1: Isabella Rosalini Art Museum, the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston,

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Speaker 1: And some dudes made out with two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: a manet. Yeah, and they actually did it in high style.

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Speaker 1: They dressed up in Boston police uniforms. Dropped by the

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Speaker 1: museum after hours. There were two security guards on duty,

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Speaker 1: both of them college students. UM. And they went to

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Speaker 1: buzzed them in. And then I guess you some employ

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Speaker 1: the alarm buzzer. UM overpowered them, duct taped them, and

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Speaker 1: then spent eighty one minutes in this uh, in this

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Speaker 1: museum pilfering it. But they think that these guys were

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Speaker 1: local boys who didn't know what they were doing because

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Speaker 1: he passed by probably southeast, They passed by some very

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Speaker 1: very expensive works of art and took those day gas

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Speaker 1: sketches instead. Um. But they still pulled it off. They

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Speaker 1: FBI guy who was talking about um. They they, I guess,

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Speaker 1: DNA techniques on the duct tape and billboards, digital billboards

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Speaker 1: in Boston going up asking for information. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: the statute of limitations of being involved in that crime

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Speaker 1: ran out, So what does that mean they want that

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Speaker 1: artwork back? Yeah, so that was an example of a

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Speaker 1: very low fi theft operation. No, that's actually high fi

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Speaker 1: as far as art theft. Well, that was my point though,

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Speaker 1: is that art theft is very low fi. Yeah, across

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Speaker 1: the board. A guy very famously made off with the

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Speaker 1: Mona Lisa in nineteen eleven. Can I say how he

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Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa. Have you ever seen the Mona Lisa? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very small, it is surprisingly small. Jerry just nodded like, yes,

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Speaker 1: taking it out on old Mona. Although it's like behind

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Speaker 1: this article, and this is by the way, part two

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Speaker 1: series partooning, the series of how easy is it to

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Speaker 1: steal blank? Sure? Right, we started with nuclear weapons, now

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Speaker 1: art now art um And what I found from researching

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Speaker 1: They don't have the the laser beams with Katherine Zita

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Speaker 1: from next year. How is it twenty years? It's it's

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Speaker 1: This Dutch, wacky, wacky Dutch. But there are ways around this.

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Speaker 1: The Dutch just recently busted a group of art thieves

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Speaker 1: But this is where it gets smart. And they didn't

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Speaker 1: Right before the robbery. They had accomplices and other parts

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Speaker 1: Machu Picchu? M m The guy from Yale went down

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Speaker 1: write a bad check. That's good point. Sure you should

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Speaker 1: everybody get down. Everybody freeze. Uh So, Josh, this is

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Speaker 1: getting that settled down. When you when you steal art,

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Speaker 1: Somebody's just trying to unload it. Let's just do this.

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Speaker 1: I just want to get rid of this Rembrandt real quick, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So if they find out that you made a quick sale,

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