Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have Michelle
Speaker 1: Tafoya with me. She is one of the most notable
Speaker 1: TV sports personalities and a longtime NFL sideline reporter working
Speaker 1: for both NBC and ESPN. Now she's retired from sports
Speaker 1: and she's talking politics, which is interesting. Michelle, welcome, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, Tutor. It's nice to see you.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you too. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on that actually connects to sports, which I think
Speaker 1: is interesting and probably very interesting for you right now.
Speaker 1: We watched this past week as we had Democrats come
Speaker 1: out and say that they were coming to the President's
Speaker 1: address in pink to represent women after the day before
Speaker 1: voting against women.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, right I looked at this pink and this
Speaker 3: idea that they were going to support women. The only
Speaker 3: real thing that they feel supportive of their pro choice
Speaker 3: and that's it. And other than that, I can't really
Speaker 3: think of where they're pro women, because to have not
Speaker 3: a single Democrat vote for this protection of girls and
Speaker 3: girls and women in sports is insane to me, and
Speaker 3: it tells me that they're not representing their constituents, Tutor,
Speaker 3: They're just representing ideology and they did not want to
Speaker 3: give Trump a win. The same thing, same day happened
Speaker 3: in the state that I live. In Minnesota, we had
Speaker 3: a vote on the same issue. They needed one Democrat
Speaker 3: one to cross and vote along with Republicans. Not one
Speaker 3: of them did, and so that same idea protecting girls
Speaker 3: and women in sports here in Minnesota also failed. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm convinced there was coordination. They did not want to
Speaker 3: give this issue a win the night before Trump was
Speaker 3: going to speak to that joint session.
Speaker 1: It just always interested me to watch this because they
Speaker 1: say that children shouldn't be pushed into knowing what their
Speaker 1: gender is. Girls shouldn't play with dolls, and boys shouldn't
Speaker 1: play with trucks and everything. And they even have had
Speaker 1: now in recent years. This is since I've had kids,
Speaker 1: so I would say probably in the last five years,
Speaker 1: there's been a real push for neutral clothing for infants.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have.
Speaker 3: I have a son who's biologically mine and a daughter
Speaker 3: whom we adopted from South America Columbia when she was
Speaker 3: three months old, so she's really only known us. And
Speaker 3: I can tell you with a son and an adopted daughter,
Speaker 3: they couldn't be more different. In terms of what they
Speaker 3: were attracted to and when in their childhoods. My son
Speaker 3: was always pushing around trucks. And you know, it's not
Speaker 3: that he didn't have access to other things. He was
Speaker 3: at daycare, he was at preschool, he had all these
Speaker 3: things at his access, but he was I'm sorry if
Speaker 3: this offends anyone.
Speaker 2: He was boy through and through.
Speaker 3: My daughter loved all the frozen princesses and all the princesses,
Speaker 3: and now she's a stud little soccer player who loves sports.
Speaker 1: And that's just how it happened.
Speaker 3: To to try to push any one direction is like
Speaker 3: neutrality or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of absurd.
Speaker 3: I remember hearing about parents who decided to raise their
Speaker 3: kids in a non binary sort of way. We're not
Speaker 3: going to cut their hair, we're not gonna you know,
Speaker 3: we're gonna give them a very neutral name, and we're
Speaker 3: not going to tell them what they are.
Speaker 2: We're just going to see.
Speaker 1: What happens that. No. I actually a girl that I'm
Speaker 1: friends with her sisters. So her sisters, like niece and nephew,
Speaker 1: they were raised in this situation, which I think is
Speaker 1: so strange. Were you, and honestly, I will say, say
Speaker 1: I had the same experience. I have girls, but I
Speaker 1: was like, when I had girls, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do the princess thing. I'm not going to push the
Speaker 1: Disney princess thing. I remember we got them a Disney
Speaker 1: Princess car and we didn't even put the stickers on.
Speaker 1: We're like, God, they're not going to be that. You
Speaker 1: cannot avoid it. There they were. The next thing, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing videos of them singing let it go. You know,
Speaker 1: that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But the I think the bizarre thing to me is
Speaker 1: that this is the push for children, which who are
Speaker 1: naturally attracted to bright colors, bright things. All the toys
Speaker 1: are made that way. But now you've got these brands
Speaker 1: that are coming out that are like, you know, plain wood,
Speaker 1: and everything in their wardrobe is cream and beige. But
Speaker 1: the Democrats were willing to come out and say that
Speaker 1: for women they would wear pink. And I'm like.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. Yeah, why pink? Why not neutral?
Speaker 3: Right? You know, But they're always doing something I loved
Speaker 3: as I watched that the joint session, that I did
Speaker 3: see some Republican men in pink ties and some Republican
Speaker 3: women wearing pink sort of reclaiming saying, you know what,
Speaker 3: we're for women too. But the whole notion that they
Speaker 3: will not protect women in sports is insane. And now
Speaker 3: you're seeing and I'm sure you saw this Governor Gavin
Speaker 3: Newsom of California, the staunch Democrats saying yes, it's unfair.
Speaker 3: Now I will point this out. Charlie Kirk went on
Speaker 3: Governor Newsom's podcast, I'm glad that he did, and he
Speaker 3: pushed him, he said, would you support would you stand
Speaker 3: up for this? He never the governor never committed to
Speaker 3: standing up. He just said it is intrinsically unfair.
Speaker 2: But he would not commit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he politics exactly, and he is very like. This
Speaker 1: is what makes me nervous about trying to normalize Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom is that he is very easily normalized. He's attractive,
Speaker 1: he is charming. He is someone that I think people
Speaker 1: and I think he knows this about himself. He can
Speaker 1: very much win you over with his little salez. He
Speaker 1: has this way of speaking that makes it it seem
Speaker 1: like he really cares about you. He's a politician, but
Speaker 1: he is very good, very good. But he is a
Speaker 1: radical and we can never forget he's a radical.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that gets lost here in Minnesota. We
Speaker 3: have two Democrat senators. Both are radical, and they paint
Speaker 3: themselves as very middle of the road women, and they're not.
Speaker 3: They're not by the way they vote, they're not by
Speaker 3: the way they act and whom they side with.
Speaker 2: But you're right about Newsom.
Speaker 3: The thing that's got to be drilled home about Newsom
Speaker 3: is his record because as mayor of San Francisco and
Speaker 3: California is where I was born and spent the first
Speaker 3: half of my life. As mayor of San Francisco and
Speaker 3: as governor of that state, the state is in a shambles.
Speaker 3: It is tragic. And I have friends out there who
Speaker 3: suggest that, well, you know what, these fires and the
Speaker 3: Palisades and Altadina really open people's eyes and we're going
Speaker 3: to shift back towards the right. I'll believe it when
Speaker 3: I see it. And this Gavin Newsom trying to look
Speaker 3: at my new podcast, look at this shiny thing over here,
Speaker 3: Ignore these fires and the you know the what's gone
Speaker 3: on under my watch. I'm going to talk to people.
Speaker 3: I wish he'd spend that time fixing things.
Speaker 1: And manipulate people. I mean, he is a master manipulator.
Speaker 1: You know, you read all these stories about what a
Speaker 1: narcissist is, and this guy is like, he's the biggest threat.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Do you think by any means having Charlie kirk On
Speaker 1: as his first guest was just by happenstance. No, of course, not.
Speaker 2: No, no.
Speaker 3: He Charlie has a massive audience and Newsom wanted to
Speaker 3: tap into that following And I haven't seen the entire podcast,
Speaker 3: but I certainly hope Charlie held his feet to the
Speaker 3: fire and took him to task on these issues on
Speaker 3: which Newsom has been a complete, like you.
Speaker 2: Said, a radical.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's what people need to be reminded of.
Speaker 2: And I can't.
Speaker 3: He's an open border governor. They are sanctuary state, sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3: It's those things have to be pushed. So for him
Speaker 3: to try to this is a really interesting tactic. And
Speaker 3: you're right, he's an excellent politician. That's what makes him
Speaker 3: scary to me. I don't want a politician. I want
Speaker 3: someone who cares about the country, about the state, whatever
Speaker 3: about their city. Those are the people I want in office,
Speaker 3: the ones not who are virtue signaling and trying to
Speaker 3: feel good about themselves and control, take control and have power.
Speaker 2: But the ones who actually solve problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones that care about the people who pay
Speaker 1: the taxes. So he's like, he is taking the taxes
Speaker 1: from the California people, paying healthcare for illegal immigrants. He's
Speaker 1: got this border wide open, like you said, the homeless.
Speaker 1: The homelessness problem in California, to me is a very
Speaker 1: interesting case study because in the time that he has
Speaker 1: been governor, they continue to put more money into the
Speaker 1: homelessness problem. The homelessness problem continues to get worse. It's
Speaker 1: kind of under the theory of the more government you build,
Speaker 1: the more it will do to continue to stay there.
Speaker 1: So if they solve the homelessness problem, then all of
Speaker 1: these and we're talking in I think in La and
Speaker 1: San Francisco, they're each close to a billion dollars now
Speaker 1: in funding for a homelessness program.
Speaker 2: So what is that program doing.
Speaker 3: If you're spending all that money, then these people shouldn't
Speaker 3: really be homeless, shouldn't They shouldn't they be solving it.
Speaker 3: This is what's called getting people dependent on government. So
Speaker 3: if they're really good to the homeless and they feed them,
Speaker 3: and they give them tents as they do in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 3: and they give them food, and they give them medical care.
Speaker 3: What is the motivation for these people to pull themselves up,
Speaker 3: get the help they need to transition back into a
Speaker 3: productive life where they can have their own home.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's what's happening in California. Again.
Speaker 3: I really hope that people continue to open their eyes
Speaker 3: and call this out for what it is. It is
Speaker 3: virtue signaling, and it is creating a dependent class. And
Speaker 3: you know, I'm hearing rumors that in place of all
Speaker 3: those beautiful homes that were there on the coast, that
Speaker 3: people paid for and worked for and some you know
Speaker 3: somewhere in their families for decades and decades, they now
Speaker 3: want to put up multifamily and some low income housing
Speaker 3: to make it quote unquote equitable. And you know, there
Speaker 3: are no guarantees about equal outcomes, just equal opportunity in
Speaker 3: this country. So give people the opportunity to aspire to
Speaker 3: be whatever they want to be. Don't promise them an
Speaker 3: equal outcome, because all you're doing is lowering the standards
Speaker 3: for everybody else.
Speaker 1: And again, you take away from someone who had a
Speaker 1: tragedy and you say now that because of this tragedy,
Speaker 1: you don't belong here anymore. I mean, I imagine that
Speaker 1: those are the things they fight against in other areas,
Speaker 1: But in the United States, if there's a tragedy, then oh,
Speaker 1: let's get rid of the people who actually were living
Speaker 1: there before, because we want to put other people there.
Speaker 1: It's totally crazy. But going back to the homelessness situation,
Speaker 1: I think this is similar to what we're seeing with
Speaker 1: the Department of ED. People don't once a department is created,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fear over getting rid of it.
Speaker 1: You have Linda McMahon right now saying, yeah, I'm working
Speaker 1: myself out of a job, and I think that she's
Speaker 1: going to have a task ahead of her because she's
Speaker 1: going to have to explain how this works and it's
Speaker 1: better and it doesn't hurt education, and it will that's
Speaker 1: the truth about it. But I mean that really should
Speaker 1: be the way it should work in California with these
Speaker 1: big agencies as well. We don't want to spend six
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in LA every year on homelessness. We
Speaker 1: want to solve the problem and we want ourselves to
Speaker 1: be out of a job. This is This is interesting
Speaker 1: as I watch how people react to the idea of
Speaker 1: shutting something down, and to me, the Department of Ed
Speaker 1: is the best example. There's going to be ways to
Speaker 1: still have federal funding. Do you need an entire department
Speaker 1: around it?
Speaker 3: We didn't up until nineteen seventy nine when it was created.
Speaker 3: You know, my mom was a school teacher for her
Speaker 3: entire career, and unions or the bane of her existence,
Speaker 3: this inability to access the things that she taught.
Speaker 2: Spanish.
Speaker 3: She wanted to have a map, different maps of different
Speaker 3: parts of you know, Spanish speaking parts of the world.
Speaker 3: And they couldn't get her that, but they still.
Speaker 2: Took her dues, you know, right.
Speaker 3: And she would go up to Sacramento as a representative,
Speaker 3: and she just came home and you could see from
Speaker 3: the look in her eyes and the dejection on her
Speaker 3: face that dealing with these union heads and dealing with
Speaker 3: the politicians was really distasteful to her. So I think
Speaker 3: education needs a massive overhaul. If people can't understand. Look
Speaker 3: here in Minnesota, fifty percent of our kids cannot read
Speaker 3: at grade level, cannot do math at grade level.
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 3: We're wasting a lot of time in the classroom teaching
Speaker 3: pronouns and teaching CRT and DEI, but we're not teaching
Speaker 3: math or reading. It breaks my heart for every child
Speaker 3: in this state and in this country if they can't
Speaker 3: read and have the tools to progress in their lives
Speaker 3: as productive human beings.
Speaker 2: So whatever we're doing isn't working and it needs an overhaul.
Speaker 3: And if the states can have control of their own education,
Speaker 3: then you know they can compete again and say, you know, look,
Speaker 3: I mean right now, the fact that Louisiana is doing
Speaker 3: so well in education, it.
Speaker 2: Used to not be that way.
Speaker 3: California, Minnesota, Michigan used to be the states with you know,
Speaker 3: vying for those top spots in education, and they're woefully
Speaker 3: underachieving right now, and it is so disheartening to see.
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Speaker 1: more after this. Michigan is forty first in the entire
Speaker 1: country when it comes to education, and we've seen this
Speaker 1: since the pandemic. My gosh, the amount of the ability
Speaker 1: to read has declined significantly. But the crazy part about
Speaker 1: this is we also know that the ability to read
Speaker 1: is directly connected to your chances of going to prison
Speaker 1: in life. And if you can't read, you almost are
Speaker 1: automatically going to end up in prison. It's just a
Speaker 1: devastating consequence. And we don't know why people aren't why
Speaker 1: there isn't leadership holding these schools and these teachers and
Speaker 1: the government accountable, because really, when you look at what
Speaker 1: the government is meant to provide to the people, and
Speaker 1: I think this part is very interesting because people are
Speaker 1: always like, I want government to come in and save me.
Speaker 1: I want government to do this. Well, we should have
Speaker 1: public safety. We've agreed that we're going to have public schools.
Speaker 1: What is the point of having public schools that do
Speaker 1: not provide the ability of these children to actually read
Speaker 1: and have a life. I mean, if you've robbed them
Speaker 1: of that from K through twelve, you have robbed them
Speaker 1: of any chance going forward. So again you look at
Speaker 1: these people that are like, well, we have to keep
Speaker 1: feeding this machine. We have to keep feeding the Department
Speaker 1: of the Federal Department of ED. But even on the
Speaker 1: state level. We feed the machine, but we don't get
Speaker 1: anything out of the machine that's useful.
Speaker 2: The machine ain't delivering.
Speaker 3: And I want to tell you a quick anecdote because
Speaker 3: I hear in minnesot To where I lived tutor. I
Speaker 3: tried to become a reading tutor, and I found an
Speaker 3: organization nearby that where you could go to certain schools
Speaker 3: and help kids read. But you had to take a
Speaker 3: ninety minute online zoom training. So I signed up for it.
Speaker 3: I went and I took it. We were thirty seconds
Speaker 3: in when the twenty two year old girl instructing us
Speaker 3: on tutoring said, if you come here to do this,
Speaker 3: you must first understand that this is primarily a problem
Speaker 3: for black and brown children, and that this is all
Speaker 3: based on systemic racism. And she went on, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, hang in there, Michelle, get through it,
Speaker 3: because all you really want to do is help a
Speaker 3: kid to read.
Speaker 2: That's all you really wanted to say. Hang in there.
Speaker 3: And I kept listening, and you know, there may be
Speaker 3: children who don't look like you, there may be trans children.
Speaker 3: You must be okay with tutoring. And I'm like, hang on,
Speaker 3: hang in there, Michelle, and finally when I reached in
Speaker 3: and hung up on the zoom was when.
Speaker 2: She listed words.
Speaker 3: She said, all right, I want to look at something
Speaker 3: black and blank, husband and blank, salt and blank, peanut
Speaker 3: butter and blank. Now, how do you fill in those blanks?
Speaker 3: That would be based on your internal biases? If you
Speaker 3: say husband and wife, you are you're biased. So I
Speaker 3: just hung up. I couldn't take it anymore. And I
Speaker 3: was so angry that this group in order to they
Speaker 3: were indoctrinating even the tutors, you know it.
Speaker 1: It was infuriating. Well, and instead of teaching phonics, I mean,
Speaker 1: you could think of what you could have really learned
Speaker 1: in that period of time to help a child in
Speaker 1: exactly that to me has been interesting. We've seen gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like even the governor of
Speaker 1: Michigan said this recently, is that we should get back
Speaker 1: to phonics. This has been a battle for twenty years
Speaker 1: of people saying we should never have gotten away from phonics.
Speaker 1: This is a messed up system, which I you know,
Speaker 1: I will never criticize if somebody finally comes out and says, Okay,
Speaker 1: we figured out this screwed up. This was a screw
Speaker 1: up because we do. I mean, things change, and you
Speaker 1: do over time realize that it is a problem. But
Speaker 1: the fact that we have so many people and Secretary
Speaker 1: McMahon was saying this too, we need to get phonics
Speaker 1: back into schools. Well, if that's what we can do
Speaker 1: from the federal level or even from the state level,
Speaker 1: I really think it's a matter of sitting back and
Speaker 1: stopping this idea that we just throw money at a
Speaker 1: problem and that one side doesn't want to find it
Speaker 1: and the other side does. I love our public schools.
Speaker 1: Our public schools are critical, but they've got to be
Speaker 1: able to teach something the right way. And if phonics
Speaker 1: is the answer, then we should all get behind phonics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: The I don't know if it's the teachers' unions, but
Speaker 3: if Randy Weingarten is any example of what the teachers'
Speaker 3: unions represent, that is a bad example because she's not
Speaker 3: really in it fighting for phonics and fighting for kids
Speaker 3: to raise the bar for kids. She's actually talking about
Speaker 3: lowering the bar, lowering standards, taking math out of certain
Speaker 3: classrooms because it's quote unquote racist. All of these crazy
Speaker 3: ideas to turn kids more and more into victims instead
Speaker 3: of helping them become resilient, productive, The smart people they
Speaker 3: can become, the wise people they can become, the educated
Speaker 3: people they can become. And you know, we're seeing it
Speaker 3: manifest itself all over society. When you've got kids in college,
Speaker 3: you know, pro Hamas protesters, all of this stuff is
Speaker 3: not based on yeah, you know what, I want to graduate.
Speaker 3: I want to go get work, or maybe I don't
Speaker 3: go to college. I become a plumber and make a
Speaker 3: fortune and go be able to raise a family and
Speaker 3: pay my bills. There is honor in all kinds of work.
Speaker 3: You do not need to be college educated to find
Speaker 3: an honorable position in this society.
Speaker 1: These universities have been very hard on our kids. To
Speaker 1: your point about the people that have been out there
Speaker 1: protesting for Hamas, we actually have a guy here who
Speaker 1: is running for mayor of one of the cities on
Speaker 1: the southeast side of Michigan, and he was telling a
Speaker 1: story as a young Arab kid who grew up in
Speaker 1: Michigan then went to the University of Michigan. He said,
Speaker 1: I went to the University of Michigan and I was
Speaker 1: told there is no God and all white people are bad,
Speaker 1: and he said, I was convinced. And this is a
Speaker 1: kid who grew up in a Muslim home, which is
Speaker 1: and you know, it's interesting because I feel like in
Speaker 1: that culture is very strict, and yet he was still
Speaker 1: pulled away and he said, I was pulled away from
Speaker 1: God and I was I was isolated by saying, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody else around me is bad, right. And it was
Speaker 1: a very interesting story because he tells of how he
Speaker 1: got He went to Ohio. He ended up in this town,
Speaker 1: this little little town where everybody was white, and he
Speaker 1: felt like people looked at him and they were like,
Speaker 1: who are you? And he said he went out and
Speaker 1: he was playing basketball with people from work and this
Speaker 1: guy kept getting in his vase and he said, I
Speaker 1: just realized in that moment, this is it. He's going
Speaker 1: to beat the crab by me and there's nothing I'm
Speaker 1: going to do. And he said everybody else on the
Speaker 1: team got in front of him and said give him
Speaker 1: a break, man. And he said it was a defining
Speaker 1: moment in my life where I said, wow, I've been
Speaker 1: listening to the people who say everybody's against you and
Speaker 1: there's no God, and that has not brought me joy
Speaker 1: in my life, and here these people showed me a
Speaker 1: different side.
Speaker 3: I love stories like this, and I'm hearing them more
Speaker 3: and more. I think people are stepping forward and becoming
Speaker 3: more courageous in telling people, you know what, the side
Speaker 3: you've asked me to be on has failed me. You
Speaker 3: tried to tell me all of these things that I've
Speaker 3: later discovered are not true. And I almost lost myself
Speaker 3: in despair over being told that because I'm black, because
Speaker 3: I'm brown, whatever the case that I am not, that
Speaker 3: I'm going to be at the lower end of the
Speaker 3: totem pole simply because of the color of my skin.
Speaker 3: We had an education activist here in Minnesota testify that
Speaker 3: all throughout her high school she.
Speaker 2: Was teased and told all of these things.
Speaker 3: And she went to college and it was hammered into
Speaker 3: her head even more, and she said, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: she was determined to become an attorney, and she did,
Speaker 3: and now she has kids who are in school, ap students, athletes,
Speaker 3: doing well. And she thought, I overcame this, but you
Speaker 3: all were lying to me about this, And you know,
Speaker 3: I think that lie serves to keep certain people in
Speaker 3: power and other people believing that they can't achieve and
Speaker 3: it angers me.
Speaker 2: No end, I'm cleaning up my language where you did her.
Speaker 1: No, you don't have to do that, it does. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we've seen since Trump took office.
Speaker 1: That hasn't worked, that didn't win in November, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's gone. And I think that's my
Speaker 1: cautionary tale to people, is like this was still a
Speaker 1: close selection. This is still the midterms could go a
Speaker 1: different way, This is still very close. We have to
Speaker 1: make sure that we are constantly out there talking and
Speaker 1: educating and making sure people realize that there is a
Speaker 1: nefarious plan for certain people on the progressive side. And
Speaker 1: you look at what they have done since then. They've
Speaker 1: had multiple experts on their side come out and say,
Speaker 1: first of all, the idea of men and girls' sports
Speaker 1: do not die on that hill that didn't work for you,
Speaker 1: that people don't like it, and they're still.
Speaker 2: On that hill. There's still why. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It seems like a.
Speaker 3: Mission that like a fool's errand like where do they
Speaker 3: think they're going with this? I think that they're so
Speaker 3: afraid of losing this very small constituency. But maybe I honestly,
Speaker 3: I can't answer it, don't I don't know. It seems
Speaker 3: really really foolish when I think that what their plan
Speaker 3: is now, and you're seeing it with comments from people
Speaker 3: like Gavinism and even HOCKEYM Jefferies.
Speaker 2: Is slowly we're going to walk our way.
Speaker 3: Back over to that line and across that line and
Speaker 3: support women and girls in sports. We just couldn't do
Speaker 3: it on Trump time because that would make it.
Speaker 1: I wonder though, if they are going to I think
Speaker 1: that they I think that they are trying to toe
Speaker 1: the line and make it look like that. But even
Speaker 1: even in that interview with Charlie, Gavin was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want to ban books. They had that conversation
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, I don't like the cancel culture,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of dancing around it. And I think,
Speaker 1: I think that we have to be careful about how
Speaker 1: we the message from the other side. They are very
Speaker 1: good at demonizing us. I mean, my gosh, if that
Speaker 1: were the way that we were talking, they would be
Speaker 1: they would be saying, you know, this person wants to
Speaker 1: hurt little kids and they're going to take away their
Speaker 1: choices and all that. But we presented as like, look,
Speaker 1: he's starting to be reasonable. No, do not give him
Speaker 1: that win, because he's not if you listen to the
Speaker 1: way he politics. And I think it's hard because when
Speaker 1: you have a master, when you're so good at it,
Speaker 1: when you're a Bill Clinton or a Barack Obama or
Speaker 1: a Gavin Newsom, this is lying and manipulation is like,
Speaker 1: that's your bread and butter. You love it. It's it's
Speaker 1: who you are. It's like defines them. They're good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing, though, the other side will say,
Speaker 3: you can say the same exact thing about Trump. I
Speaker 3: have friends who are still convinced and message me saying
Speaker 3: Trump is evil. He is a danger to the world.
Speaker 3: He has a danger to human beings, a danger to
Speaker 3: hum humanity all over the world. And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any camps yet. Trump's filing people into
Speaker 3: I know he's concerned about the United States of America
Speaker 3: and protecting people here and trying to bring peace in
Speaker 3: ways that people aren't used to, which I.
Speaker 2: Think is a good thing.
Speaker 3: So it is amazing how divided we are right now
Speaker 3: that people could use adjectives about Gavin Newsom as you
Speaker 3: just did that he's good at politicking, that he's manipulative,
Speaker 3: and his side would say the same things about Trump
Speaker 3: and about the other side.
Speaker 2: What we have right now is an.
Speaker 3: Opportunity to not screw this up. We have gotten We
Speaker 3: have the Senate, we the House, we have the Supreme Court,
Speaker 3: and we have the presidency and we have to make
Speaker 3: really good use of that and not screw it up
Speaker 3: and make sure that it is a good thing for
Speaker 3: voters and the American people, so that the midterms don't
Speaker 3: suddenly turn on us, so that these ideas and these
Speaker 3: the these policies actually do work for people and do
Speaker 3: represent the majority of the people.
Speaker 2: We can't screw this up.
Speaker 1: So what happens in Minnesota? There's an open Senate seat there?
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, there is, and I think the one person
Speaker 3: there are two people who are sort of have thrown
Speaker 3: their hat in the ring. One on the conservative side
Speaker 3: is a guy named Royce White. He used to play
Speaker 3: in the NBA.
Speaker 2: He talks a good line.
Speaker 3: But he's he's a little bit out there and he's
Speaker 3: tried this before and I don't think he has a
Speaker 3: snowballs chance in hell of winning. The other is Peggy Flannagan,
Speaker 3: the lieutenant governor under Tim Walls. And if you think
Speaker 3: Tim Wallas is nuts, you should see Peggy Flannagan. So
Speaker 3: she is as lefty as you are going to get.
Speaker 3: We need a better candidate in that Senate seat. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping to God someone shows up and takes it, because
Speaker 3: it's neither one of these.
Speaker 2: I think if Royce White.
Speaker 3: Runs, he's going to lose, even to Peggy Flanagan because
Speaker 3: people will say, well, she's been the lieutenant governor, she
Speaker 3: can't be.
Speaker 1: I know someone that has good name. Mighty Oh, who's
Speaker 1: that you?
Speaker 2: Ol? Jeez?
Speaker 3: You know I've been asked and let's just say I
Speaker 3: haven't made a decision.
Speaker 1: Okay, stay tuned for more coming up with Michelle Tafoya.
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Speaker 1: Michelle after this. We're in the same boat. In Michigan.
Speaker 1: We suddenly had Gary Peters retire. It's been interesting. He's
Speaker 1: not running again.
Speaker 2: And we've been talking.
Speaker 1: I have said I'm looking at we have the governor's
Speaker 1: seat and the Senate seat. I'm looking at both of those.
Speaker 2: You're looking at both.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: I know you ran for governor against Whitnes right, Yes,
Speaker 3: and how close was that, because I remember sending you money.
Speaker 1: That was it was not as close as we would like.
Speaker 1: She effectively used abortion, and I will say that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of us were unprepared for that, the
Speaker 1: Dobbs decision and for that to be overturned and what
Speaker 1: that would mean, especially in a state like Michigan where
Speaker 1: there was a law already on the books and they
Speaker 1: effectively use that. Now it looks like they are going
Speaker 1: to well, the Secretary of State will run for a governor,
Speaker 1: and then the lieutenant governor looks like he's also going
Speaker 1: to run. So it'll be interesting to watch them go
Speaker 1: after each other. On their side. Yeah, on the Senate side,
Speaker 1: Pete Bootage Edge moved into the state of Michigan a
Speaker 1: few years back, and he is looking at the Senate
Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 3: I don't know what Michiganers want and don't want, because
Speaker 3: I thought you were such a good candidate. Now, using
Speaker 3: abortion effectively, as you said, worked here in Minnesota too.
Speaker 3: That's what got Tim Walls reelected. And you know, if
Speaker 3: you're on the conservative side of Minnesota, and as the
Speaker 3: candidate said, we will.
Speaker 2: Ban abortion you're not going to win. You are not
Speaker 2: going to win.
Speaker 3: That messaging must change, and you have to understand that
Speaker 3: no matter how pro life you are, the people on
Speaker 3: the other side are just as adamant, if not more so.
Speaker 3: So if you want to win, you almost have to
Speaker 3: take that issue off the table.
Speaker 2: That's in my humble opinion.
Speaker 1: And that in the state of Michigan is off now.
Speaker 1: It's in the constitution, so that it's done. It's a
Speaker 1: done issue, and that I think is a weapon they
Speaker 1: won't be able to use against conservatives.
Speaker 3: Well that's good to hear. So so.
Speaker 2: What can you do to win?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if, like you know,
Speaker 1: God is mysterious and interesting. I was walking through the
Speaker 1: airport on Thursday, or I guess it was Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: I was walking through the airport in New York and
Speaker 1: brush shoulders with Pete boota judge, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 2: That is weird.
Speaker 1: When do you ever see like someone like that and
Speaker 1: literally nearly run into them?
Speaker 2: That is I think that's a sign.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, we shall see to be continue, Okay,
Speaker 1: I hear you, but I will support you if you're
Speaker 1: on tutor, we'll same, same and I and I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have said they'd like to
Speaker 1: see more Republican women in the Senate. So if you,
Speaker 1: I know, if you did decide that, I think you
Speaker 1: would have a massive amount of support. And I think
Speaker 1: the midterms will be very interesting this time because Trump
Speaker 1: is going in and breaking things to build them back better, right,
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 4: To actually build them back, yes, a B B B
Speaker 4: actually build back actually, but he.
Speaker 1: Is and that scares people. I mean I've seen people
Speaker 1: to your point, the people that say that stuff to you,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my gosh, this is insane, like what
Speaker 1: he's doing. And you're like, you have to understand that
Speaker 1: anybody who takes over a business, like have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that one where what is that guy Gordon Ramsey?
Speaker 1: Oh you know, is that who it is that goes
Speaker 1: in and breaks it and he like goes into the
Speaker 1: restaurant and he thinks this is a disaster. Yes, that
Speaker 1: I feel like Donald Trump is the Gordon Ramsey of
Speaker 1: the United States right now. That's what we need.
Speaker 3: Yet we do need it, and sometimes you know, I
Speaker 3: people are so used to just incremental change, but that's
Speaker 3: sort of death by a thousand cuts. We have incrementally
Speaker 3: changed in Americas too far to the left, but it's
Speaker 3: happened over the course of time with these little, tiny, tiny,
Speaker 3: incremental changes, and they've played the long game well, and
Speaker 3: we find ourselves here.
Speaker 2: I heard us.
Speaker 3: I think it was Steve Moore, former economic advisor to
Speaker 3: the President in Trump's first term, saying that people need
Speaker 3: to understand that the financial situation of this nation is
Speaker 3: far worse than they can imagine, and.
Speaker 2: That what is being trying to be cleaned up.
Speaker 3: It's so necessary. And I think people look at that
Speaker 3: national debt. This is just, to me is a has
Speaker 3: always been a major problem. It's a national security problem.
Speaker 3: And the numbers look so big that they think, eh,
Speaker 3: I can't really conceive of what that number means. So
Speaker 3: therefore I'm not going to worry about it because there's
Speaker 3: nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 2: So we have to. I mean, we absolutely have to.
Speaker 3: And I was happy to see today when the jobs
Speaker 3: numbers came out that government jobs were in decline. We
Speaker 3: don't need more government jobs, we need more private sector jobs.
Speaker 3: We need people who are willing to go out and
Speaker 3: work in competitive industries. Government isn't a competitive industry. It
Speaker 3: is not, yes man, and you're not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make anything. They don't build anything. They don't
Speaker 1: make money. That's what people forget, and you have. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like Elon Musk is a radiologist. He's going
Speaker 1: through and he's diagnosing the cancer all over and then
Speaker 1: those all of the secretaries are going to go in
Speaker 1: with the scalpel and they're going to cut it all out,
Speaker 1: and that's never been done before, and it's shocking people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're right, wearing a crisis that people don't recognize.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: There's no question about that.
Speaker 3: We are in a crisis and people need to wake up,
Speaker 3: look at that debt clock. Let it scare you and
Speaker 3: be open to this because government workers are not guaranteed jobs.
Speaker 3: And for these federal these congress people to come out
Speaker 3: and say we shouldn't have to fire a single federal worker.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 2: Meta just fired four thousand people. ABC News is firing
Speaker 2: the Good Morning America's death.
Speaker 3: Settle down when you can streamline things and make them
Speaker 3: more efficient and make the DMV a pleasant place to
Speaker 3: visit instead of you know, and the IRS a trustworthy
Speaker 3: organization now you've got my attention, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, government's not guarantee jobs. I hate to mention it
Speaker 1: to people. There are no guarantee germ. That's that just
Speaker 1: that's the reality, except for being a parent. That's a guarantee. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's that one's going to come for you, no matter
Speaker 1: what time of matter was. Yeah, at three o'clock phone call,
Speaker 1: that's well, let you go. But I just want to say,
Speaker 1: this is like the great example of that. The other day,
Speaker 1: I was in my bathroom and I'm like, I'm in
Speaker 1: the bathroom and my eleven year old goes, let's just
Speaker 1: be honest, you signed up for this. There is no
Speaker 1: privacy for you.
Speaker 2: And year old said those words.
Speaker 1: That's what she said.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Sounds like she's maybe been listening to someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally right, exactly exactly, Yes, I love Yes. Well,
Speaker 1: it has been a joy talking to you today, and
Speaker 1: we are going to be watching. If you do announce
Speaker 1: watching you too, well, you will have my support for sure. Likewise,
Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya, thank you so much, Thanks Tutor, and thank
Speaker 1: you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast. For
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