WEBVTT - Hollywood Shuffle with Sam Ike 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.520 women and um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.879 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.959 best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello and 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.040 welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.840 my name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:33.319 in which we examine movies. Wow. Okay, so to keep going, Um, 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:40.040 we examine movies from an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.720 Bechtel test as a jumping off point. I know what 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.040 that is, okay, Jamie, I'm going to hand it off 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.720 to you. Wow. We'd literally sound like we're like on 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:55.720 PBS and we're like doing a fundraiser. Um, yeah, I will, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.200 I will gladly pick up the mantel here, Thank you 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.240 so much. The Betel test is media metric invented by 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.040 queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.919 that requires that two for our purposes are a little 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.400 our little flourished, a little spin on it, our little 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.720 take on it. Everyone needs a little take on it. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.360 Here's ours our version of the Bechdel test requires that 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.880 two people of a marginalized gender with names by the way, 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.959 speak to each other about something other than a man 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.679 for two lines of dialogue. That's our little take on it. Wow. Wow, 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.959 most movies don't do it a lot simply don't, or 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.240 or this increasing trend that drives me, you know, just 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.320 into the ground like a little screw driver, is they 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.440 do pass the Bechdel test, but they still hate women. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.000 Like now, it's like the whole thing where every director. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.880 I feel like most directors have some functioning knowledge of 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.400 the Bechdel Test at this point, except for Sofia coppola um, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.160 which is weird because her movies usually pass, but like 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.040 she didn't know what it was. But now I feel 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.240 like a lot of like misogynist directors do know what 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.680 the Bechtel test is, make sure their movie passes it, 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.680 but they're like, oh, but still, we're just gonna like 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.720 brutalize every woman that's on screen. But did she ask 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.960 for a like a pudding from her daughter? So it passes? 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.040 Therefore a feminist film, right, hate it? Hate it? But 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.600 you know who was the actor? I want to say 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.880 it was Diane Lane, But before I I'm going to 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:38.240 confirm this. Are you about to just fully canceled Diane 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.120 Lane live on the show My Mom Loves Under the 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.840 Tuscan Son. You've got to be careful. Oh my gosh, Wow, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.040 we should like Jill on the podcast to talk about 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.920 under the Tuscan. I really can't think of someone more 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:54.560 qualified to talk about under the Tuscan Son. Oh okay, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.960 let me just google this and then and if I'm wrong, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.280 I'll cut this out and if I'm right, I'll say 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.519 it is it so thing nice about Diane Lane, or 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.880 so it's not? Okay, I'm right, Okay, here's what it is, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:10.680 Diane Lane. She accidentally called the Bechtel test the rectal test. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.680 This happened a couple of years ago. She was talking 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.639 about the Bechtel test and I think generally knew what 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.040 it was, but didn't know what the what the name 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.480 of it was, and she called it the Rectel test. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.799 Sometimes boomers really show up for you in a way 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:35.160 that you didn't expect. Oh, Diane, you know an effort 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.440 was made, and I respect that. Oh. Knights and Road Dancey. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.120 People loved Knights and Road Danthy like she's been in 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.520 every Mom movie for the past thirty years? Was that 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.640 a Nicholas Sparks adaptation? It was? I know that she 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.680 Fox with d gearing it. Yes, it is a Nicholas 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.600 Sparks but yes, wow, Richard Gear and Diane Lane funk 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.560 a lot in movies. This doesn't pass the Bechtel test well, 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.440 or nor does it pass the Rectel test. So here's okay, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.360 here's what happened. Diane Lane was doing an interview with 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.560 Fanity Fair. She was talking about House of Cards. She's 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.560 she says, oh, but the show doesn't pass the Recteal test. Right? 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.200 Am I saying that? Right? The fact that it was 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.279 for House of Cards makes it ten times more cursed. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:28.719 On top of that, Oh my god, what she good 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:33.880 for her? Yes? Should we talk about today's movie? Yes, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.200 I'm so excited. So our guest today a returning guest, 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.880 a friend of the show. He's a comedian. You remember 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:49.839 him from our Men in Black episode. It's sam Ike back. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.640 Thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. So we're 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.719 delighted to have you. I love Diane Lane. Oh really, wait, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:04.200 what's your favorite Diane Lee performance? I would go unfaithful 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.440 or under the skin soun right? Yeah, Yeah, that's she's 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.320 fucking Richard gear And that one. She's Richard Garan that 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:18.080 one too. Yeah. Yeah, she's sucking a lot in that movie. Yeah, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.239 she's fantastic in it. Um she I mean, I don't 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.160 know if there's a bad there There are movies where 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.320 Diane Lane is in it and it's not good. But 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.600 I don't know if there's a bad Diane Lane movie. Okay, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.560 sure I do. I feel like generally her starring vehicles 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:41.320 are either really wholesome or like aggressively horny. Yeah. Under 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.599 the Top Skin Sun is like the best mixture of 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.560 Unfaithful and Knights and will Dante. It's like the It's 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:52.080 the ben Diagram of the Like, what is it that purple? 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.120 It's the it's like the Yeah, it's like the Georgia 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:02.520 of Diane Lane. Oh my god, Okay, I feel I 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.839 feel a Patreon theme coming on. It turns out there's 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.080 a lot to say about Diane Lane, more than I realized. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.039 Diane December. Maybe, Yeah, what if we were like, we're 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.680 not covering not Halloween like a holiday movies this year, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.360 We're covering Diane Lane movies. Hey, we're going to run 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.359 out of holiday movies. Eventually, So we're gonna have to 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.479 pivot to some howday hope. So, but as long as 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.200 Vanessa Hudgens keeps, you know, appearing in front of a 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.400 green screen, they're still gonna be holiday movies. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.920 holiday movies and never going away. They're never going away. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.359 That's one genre. It's like, I think it's like holiday 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.600 movies and horror movies, those two are never going to 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.240 go away. I'm fine with it. I'm like, you know what, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.039 They're always going to be mostly bad and I'm usually 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.640 going to watch them. Yeah, and you really need you 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.840 need just one location, you know what I mean, as 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.360 long as you got a place where you can put 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:02.600 a fucking tree and somewhere somewhere where you can like 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.880 you need the woods, right, you need somewhere where you 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.719 can kill someone in a remote place for a horror movie. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.080 And then you need a place where you can have 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.480 a Christmas tree and you can do a Christmas movie. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:19.520 It's like a pretty COVID safety friendly genre. Yeah. Oh, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.680 one of the best genres are cold That's like, what 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.840 are real? That's so depressive. So it's like we were 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.280 talking about this on the on the Patreon A couple 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.200 of during December where it was some some of the 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.160 like low rent holiday movies I watched this year. You 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.640 can tell they were shot with COVID restrictions because they'll 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.000 be like like, there will be scenes that take place 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.280 adjacent to a party, but you never see the party 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.640 because there's no party like and then you can hear 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.320 like party dot you know, MP three kind of playing 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.440 in the background, but it's just two people in a 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.880 room because it's not safe to have anyone else there. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.119 What a time to be alive. Happy belated birthday, Diane Lane. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.960 She just heard this week. Oh wow, incredible Happy Birthday 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:16.280 Diane Lane podcast. Now, so let's talk about today's actual movie, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.600 which does not start Diane Lane, doesn't It is the 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.560 movie Hollywood Shuffle. Sam tell us about your relationship with 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.640 this movie. UM, yeah, okay, so I'm pretty sure it 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.200 came out the year I was born. And yeah, it 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.520 starts Robert Townsend, who's one of my like childhood idols 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.679 kena Everybody AND's co wrote it with um, another one 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.440 of my childhood idols, And it is one of the 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.360 to me personally, it's one of the funniest movies ever made. UM. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.600 It's sketches all linked towards this actor named Bobby Taylor 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.760 and his triumphs and struggles of trying to be a 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.400 black actor in Hollywood. And it's, um, it's I saw 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.959 it when I was I don't know, probably in high school, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.520 and just because I like I knew I would, I 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.000 loved in Living Color A Scary movie was like the 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.200 funniest thing I've ever seen. At that point, I was like, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.319 I don't know, fifteen or whatever, and um, and then 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.080 I saw this movie and I just I've I've watched 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.600 it so many times. It's definitely definitely one of the 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:29.000 most we watched comedies for me personally. Yeah, I just 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.320 absolutely love it. It's it's it's just one of those 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.640 movies that like every joke is just like so it's 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.080 so quotable. And it's also just one of those things 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.439 where it's like I didn't have that many, like all 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.280 black films that were this funny, you know, there weren't 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.440 that many black comedies, and this one is just like 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.560 it's amazing. And it's also the other thing is like 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.880 how hard it was for Robert Town's to make this 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.480 movie that and and the whole point of it being 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.120 so inspiring. It is one of the like I am 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.280 a mostly cynical person when it comes to those things 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.400 and films, but like, it is one of those films 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.079 that actually did that for me. It's one of the 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.080 few movies that I actually feel like, I don't know, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.319 I hope I guess when you know, Like, yeah, I 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:24.000 don't Was that was that too long? We can cut 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:31.400 no more? I was beautiful. I was waiting for you 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:32.839 guys to be like, oh, now we gotta go to 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:42.320 an ad. Uh No, that's great. Um, Jamie, what's your 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.000 relationship in history with this movie? I've never seen this 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.520 movie before. I know, I knew of Robert Townsend because 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.480 I used to watch reruns of The Parenthood when I 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.880 was little, So that was primarily how I knew who 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.760 he was was via Parenthood uh reruns. But I I 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.040 didn't honestly know that much about like what his background was. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.840 And this movie is so fucking good, Like I'm disappointed 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.720 in myself. I haven't seen it sooner, and it was 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.240 so much fun. It's so like the story behind it 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.880 was really cool, and I feel like, um, you know, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.160 if you haven't seen this movie, you should stop the 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.200 podcast and watch it now. It's on Pluto TV. You 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.920 have no excuse not to watch it. I watched it 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.480 on Canopy with my library card or not? Is it 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.959 Canopy or Hoopla? Maybe I think it was on Hoopla. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.920 You've read a book that would that would be better 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.520 than Pluto TV because it just we were talking about 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.120 this off my Pluto TV is such a cursed application. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.760 What was your experience with this movie, Kaitlin. I saw 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.760 it in college as a part of where I did 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.240 go not once, but twice. I of course hate to 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.600 bring this up, but in my undergrad education, I was 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.439 taking like a film study. These are a film history class, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.679 and they were just kind of running through the whole 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.840 like American film history, and this got shown, I think 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.720 as a movie because we there was like a section 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.560 on black exploitation films, and then I think this movie 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.599 got shown to us because it was like, and here's 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.920 a response to like the black exploitation movement. So I 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.400 saw it then and I remember thinking it was super 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:31.839 funny and just like really poignant. But I hadn't watched 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.160 it since then, so I was excited to revisit it, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.040 and I think there's a lot to talk about and 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.680 I'm excited there was, but there's I usually like I 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.120 don't know, sometimes when there are sketches and movies, I 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.680 get turned off. But it works so perfectly in this movie, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.520 Like it's so and all the sketches are so funny, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.200 like yeah, yeah, And it's one of those things where 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.120 it's like, it's interesting now watching it because like every 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.960 aspect of Hollywood Shuffle was kind of like integrated in 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.480 different mediums where there wouldn't be a movie like this anymore. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.000 Like there's a podcast about these subjects. There's more sketches 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.439 on YouTube of this, Like every part of it is 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.880 like broken out in a different way now where Uh, 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.600 It's just it's such an interesting time capsule and it's 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.600 also so fascinating how much of it holds up, you know. Yeah, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.240 and not to say there are parts of it that 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:34.439 don't hold up there, hold on, we'll talk about them. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.439 I had to. But yeah, it was I love. I mean, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.440 it was like I kind of wish I like I 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.800 had watched this in film school because it literally is 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.000 like a mini film history, like the funniest version of it. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.000 For sure. Should I do the recap, let's do it. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:59.280 We'll go from there. Okay, So we open on Bobby Taylor, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.920 who who was played by Robert Townsend, who directed, produced, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.640 and co wrote this movie. Oh to like a quadruple threat. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.840 Bobby is an actor who is practicing for an upcoming 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.080 movie audition, and the role he is auditioning for is 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.040 Jimmy who It's a little vague exactly who Jimmy is, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.160 but he's like a gang leader or like a pimp 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:32.920 or something along those lines. I'm sorry, something so funny 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:39.640 about listening to you describe that we opened. We opened 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.480 on Jimmy. He made to be a pimper or dealer. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:50.960 He's some kind of scally wag, becomes slightly British, he's 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:57.840 some sort of scally waging on it. I just love 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.120 how you so fascinated by who is Jimmy? What is this? 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:14.160 What is this story? Fine? Jimmy. We know that he 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.160 needs revenge, That's what we know that, right, Yeah, Jimmy 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.920 needs to revenge. I mean, I'm sorry, I don't need 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.280 but like when we now, I kind of want to 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:27.760 talk about Jimmy's revenge as should we wait or do 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.680 we or do we get into it now? Well, because 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.920 it is kind of fascinating it is. I would have 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.920 liked to have seen the movie that they make within 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.800 this movie, because it would have been probably the worst 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.920 movie ever made, Like it would be such a mess, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.360 like Jimmy's Like the monologue that Bobby is practicing is 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:56.600 like so just like bizarre and repetitive and like obviously 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.080 extremely racist, and it's just like a mess. Yeah, that's 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.200 the thing that I don't understand. It's called Jimmy's Revenge. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.880 Jimmy's brother dies, Jimmy is already at the scene when 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:14.040 he dies. The guy who killed him is there, is there, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.720 so Jimmy is about to attack him. I assume that's 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.680 what he's talking about the whole time. So how long 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.120 is this movie? Like he doesn't he get? Like That's 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.120 what I kept thinking about when when you just brought 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.040 that up. I was like, wait, yeah, how long. It's 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.560 Jimmy's Revenge. He's jim You know what I means, Jimmy. Yeah, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.840 it's all right, it's happening right there, happening. It's maybe 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.000 it's a short film. It's it's a it's a seven 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:47.480 minute film. I didn't even connect that. I was like, wow, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.040 I should have been thinking harder about Jimmy and what 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:58.200 it's called. That's on me because what happens after right, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.160 we know we never see so Jimmy is like not 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.280 the best role, but even so, if Bobby gets this part, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.800 it will be a big break in his career. Then 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.639 we meet Bobby's mom, his grandma, and his little brother. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:19.200 We see a commercial for a TV show about Mr 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:24.680 Batty or something like that. It's a show where half man, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:30.200 half bat lives with a white suburban family. Batty boy, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.240 Batty boy, batty boy. Hey, you know you guys should 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.640 do for your next Patreon You should just do Durant, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:45.560 just fucking just doing descriptions of sketches. Was a bat 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.600 who's half man, half bat. He was living in the 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:54.400 suburbs of Michigan. I love listen to describe all of these. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:18:02.200 This is great. Now I feel self conscious of no, no, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.159 this is this is no. You're you're you're so accurate. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.159 You're you know what I mean, You're accurate. It's clear, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.080 it's it's it's great. I'm loving what you're doing. I 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.879 just never heard anybody actually describe what happens in the 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.960 sketches in the Hollywood Shuffle before and it's mind blowing 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.639 to me just to hear a half man, half bad. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.359 I mean that's the way he's described in the movie. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.879 So yeah, yeah, which isn't even funnier because he's just 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:44.840 wearing a costume from my party. That's another thing. What's 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.800 the background on Battie? Like how why is that family? Like? 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.399 How did he get there? Is it a fresh prince 0:18:53.400 --> 0:19:01.440 of bel Air situation where he's sent over because like 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.399 like like you know, it's just it's tough for a 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.359 bat in like l a, So he's gotta go. He 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.639 got in one little fight and his mom got scared, 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.200 so we're gonna go send you to live with this 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:19.360 white family in Michigan. Yeah, and he's a grown man too. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.439 He's like it's not like he's growing up with the kids. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.320 You know, he's like a young it's not like a 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:34.600 Casper situation. He's like a fully full adult. Yeah. Yeah. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.880 I only bring up Batty Boy because he'll he comes 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.919 back later. So you know, I have to I have 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:44.600 to plant the seed plant to pay off with the boy. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:51.720 There is check offs Batty Boy. Okay. So anyway, so 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.600 we see that commercial, then we see Bobby call out 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.480 of work because and he's like, I have to go 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.239 to the dentist, but it's really so he can go 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.399 to this audition. Um. Then we see a montage of 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.960 other black actors auditioning for various roles, but many of 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.920 them are there for the same role that Bobby is 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.160 there for. And then he talks to another actor who 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.879 comments on how this role of Jimmy is like a 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.240 white man's stereotype of a black man and how the 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.400 only roles that Hollywood ever lets them play are slaves 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.160 and butlers and things like that. Remember, it's like time 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:33.120 to go audition, And then we cut to Bobby having 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.200 kind of like a day dream fantasy thing, which which 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.479 is a commercial for Black Acting School, which I think 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.639 is one of the most famous scenes from this movie, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:48.600 where basically it's a school where white teachers teach black 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:54.240 actors how to play criminals, gang leaders, pimps, drug dealers, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.560 all manner of roles like that. It's such a great scene. 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.960 It's so good. It's so good. And knowing that I 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.800 didn't know that like Robert Townsend was like a second 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:11.480 city guy, and knowing that made it an even better 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:17.200 viewing experience. Oh my god, And I love the audition 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.439 scenes were you've seen all those different actors coming in 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.680 and when that one, that one like scholarly actor goes 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.480 in and then that like you're the worst actor. He's like, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:33.879 I could try in an iamic. They would have the 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.639 actual gang memories and any pulls out that. I was 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:42.920 like like, this is this is it's it's a it's 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.960 such a great sequence. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:47.399 want to talk all about that because there's like a 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:53.119 lot of really good commentary in that montage that we'll discuss. Um. 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.720 So then Bobby goes to work at the hot dog 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.760 stand where he works, and the actor who plays Battie 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.879 boy A shows up and Bobby is like hey and 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:11.680 like a gigantic limousine, and Bobby asks him about acting 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.480 and how can you tell if a script is good, 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.160 and Batty boys like, well, if your character doesn't die, 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.520 then it's a good script. And we're like, oh wow, 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:28.120 the bar is low. Um. Then we see we see 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.800 seen where Bobby has been playing basketball with his friends, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.600 and then they talk about how there needs to be 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.600 more black film critics, and then we cut to another 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.640 kind of fantasy day dream of Bobby's about these two 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.760 black guys who sneak into movies and then review them. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:48.880 And then we see knockoff versions of Amadeus, Indiana Jones, 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:54.040 Dirty Harry, and then a zombie movie. Then Bobby gets 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.480 a call from his agent saying that the casting directors 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.840 at the audition really liked him and that he has 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.760 gotten a callback, but they're looking for an Eddie Murphy type. 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.400 So then we get another dream sequence where Bobby's at 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:12.800 his callback saying that he doesn't want to be Eddie Murphy, 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.359 he just wants to be himself, but then he can't 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.800 help but to do an Eddie Murphy impression. And then 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:24.399 this is the same year that Robert Townsend directs Raw. Yeah, 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.200 so good, are you reading this? I wrote this down 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.480 and yes, I'm reading it, okay. I was just thinking. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.239 I was like, holy shit. It was like I was like, 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:38.960 did you you just be watched this like yesterday? Like 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:45.879 you recite this whole thing, Sam, I write it down 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:52.200 otherwise I will forget everything. Um. Yeah, I read that 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:56.919 Eddie Murphy saw Hollywood Shuffle and like demanded that Robert 0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:01.840 Townsend direct his stand up special. That's the best. Like 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.399 and then I didn't know that I don't know, I 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.800 just like did a deep dive on Robert Townson last 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.080 night because I'm like, I just know as the guy 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.600 from the Parenthood um where like when he was like 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.800 in his early twenties, he was like passed over for 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.800 a sn L in favor of Eddie Murphy. He just 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.800 like Eddie Murphy was like haunting his life and then 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.280 they became friends. I love that man. Um. Okay, So 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.240 then we see Bobby quit his job at the hot 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.800 dog stand, banking on making it as an actor, and 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.320 then he visits his uncle at a barbershop and he's 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.480 he expresses some concerns about what if he's not good enough? 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.240 What if I don't make it as an actor. He 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.560 goes to his call back and nails it and he 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:52.040 gets the part, and he celebrates with his girlfriend. I 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.399 think Lydia. Yeah, we're supposed to think she's an important 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.000 character because she's on the poster for the movie, but 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.080 but I can't name one thing about her other than 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:07.840 she certainly is a girlfriend. Yes, they watch a detective 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:12.200 movie with his grandmother who comes in and sits between them, 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.240 and then we get a sequence of this detective movie 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.960 that they're watching where Robert Townsend plays like a film 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.520 noir detective solving a murder. Then he's about to go 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.720 in for his first day of shooting this movie, Jimmy's Revenge, 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.840 which again is a seven minute short film We've decided, 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.160 and he reads this note from his little brother about 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.440 how his brother really looks up to Bobby, and then 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.359 Bobby overhears his grandma talking about how she doesn't want 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.320 him adding to the negative portrayals of black people in movies, 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.600 and she thinks he should get a job at the 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.040 post office. Then he shows up to set and he 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.359 hears that the n double a CP is going to 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.280 pick it the movie because of its racist stereotyp types. 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.720 So then we see another dream sequence where he's being 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.240 picketed and then his grandma and his little brother and 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:20.640 his girlfriend disown him and then they kill him. If 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:27.359 you print that, the kid is so cute, Yes, where 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:31.280 are they now? The character's name, I forget his little 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:37.320 brother's Stevie, right, Stevie. Stevie is so cute and funny, 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:42.800 A plus child actor truly, So then we're back in reality. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.040 He shoots a scene from the movie, but his character 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.240 is just so reductive and the direction he's getting from 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.480 the white filmmakers is very racist, and his grandma and 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.879 little brother are so disappointed in him, and he's disappointed 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:59.560 in himself. So Bobby quits and walks off the set. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.119 Then there's another dream sequence where he's imagining himself in 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.960 all of these awesome movie roles, and then he imagines 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:12.159 himself winning an oscar, and then the movie ends with 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.119 him doing a commercial for the post office saying, you know, 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.720 if you can't take pride in your work, you can 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:24.760 always get a job at the post office. And that's 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.920 how the movie ends, except for that song at the end, 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.280 the song and the right. Then there's a fun like 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.520 moral of the story song over the credits, and then 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.880 the movie ends, and before that there's the Hollywood that 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.320 that credit sequence, they had that song one in a 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.080 million and it's so good. I love that. I love 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:47.520 that song. And they play at the beginning of the 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.760 movie too. It's oh, it's delightful. Yeah, it's a great 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:57.200 soundtrack to bookend a movie. So that's the story. Let's 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.880 take a quick break and then we'll come back to discuss. 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:16.159 And we're back initial all right, and we're gonna take 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.680 a quick quick commercial break. I always want to always 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.359 want to say that, Well I'll cut, I'll splice that 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.199 audio the next time we haven't No I'm doing it, 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:31.840 won't it won it won't feel organic, it will we 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.800 won't feel right. Okay, Well we'll figure we'll figure out 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.639 a way to make this work. I just want to 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:43.120 earn it. I want to I want to have that 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.280 ability to just be like in the middle of this podcast, 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:46.600 we're like, oh, I think that's a good time for 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:52.080 a break. Well, we'll leave this up to you, Sam, 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.400 So you better not screw it up. Oh man, I'm 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.560 gonna forget so quickly. It's gonna be like that four 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:04.560 or five thing again. Okay, Well, now that we are 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:14.560 back thanks to Sam taking the lead. Um So, I 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.240 mean this movie is just like it's one big string 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:23.080 of commentary on the way black people are represented in Hollywood. 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.640 Like that's very clearly the agenda of this movie, and 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.160 that is very clearly what's coming across. So yeah, I 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.040 kind of just made a list of the different things 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:37.400 that we get commentary on. Um So, basically, you guys 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:43.080 bought like Google sheets and ship this is I'm telling you, Sam, 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:49.000 we write things down simply you guys got mad notes, 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:56.760 you bought mad notes. This is y'all real for real. 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:01.360 This is like no lie, this is like wow. Well yet, 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:07.480 so there's effective commentary on, obviously, the roles that tend 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.959 to be only available to black actors, such an especially 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:15.960 so this movie came out, this is more true then 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.440 than it is now. But a lot of these things 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:24.000 that get commented on are still current problems in Hollywood 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:29.360 thirty years later. So the rules that tend to only 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.320 be available for black actors, such as playing slaves, pimps, 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.880 gang leaders, drug dealers, any kind of criminal really, and 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.680 just commentary on how damaging that is too black people. 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:48.520 There's commentary on the expectation of white filmmakers for black 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:53.680 actors to like act more black quote unquote, or to 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.720 mimic an existing bankable movie star who was black, rather 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.680 than like, let black act there's just like be themselves 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.440 or like figure out their own brand. And there's all 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.040 that mentioned of Eddie Murphy, of course, and how like 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.080 they just reference black actors who have already tested well 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.840 with white audiences and they don't want to stray outside 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.680 of the black actors that they know test well with 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.880 white audiences, and then as far as like, when black 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:26.080 women are auditioning for these parts, it's like they're always 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.880 about to be murdered or assaulted, Like there's not even 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:37.760 there's it's it's even worse. There's commentary on light skinned 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:43.080 black actors. We see two light skinned black guys at 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.680 this audition at the beginning of the movie. One of 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.280 them is saying, how like white casting directors were telling 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.480 him that he wasn't black enough for the part. The 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:56.080 other one is saying, how like they weren't sure if 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.040 he was black or not, And then he says, how 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.240 he uses sunten lotion now and I wasn't. Was the 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:05.040 implication that he was like intentionally trying to keep himself 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.960 as light as possible so that he could pass as 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.440 white and then therefore get more roles. Was that what 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.120 was happening there? I think the I think he was 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.719 trying to say he was trying to come off as 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.800 like like dark skinn Italian or something like that. Yeah, 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.720 I got it. I think that's what it was said. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.520 I don't know. I didn't fucking bring notes talk like 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:38.200 where are you like? Yo? I I did not bring 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.360 notes and I feel bad. Don't worry. Oh, my god, no, 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.760 I liked. I mean it was the colorism came up 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.600 a bunch throughout this movie. It comes up in the 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.160 in the Black Acting school sketch as well, Like it 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.080 comes up all the time. And we we were, I 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.240 don't know, we were just talking about colorism in our 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.600 Selena up said a couple of weeks ago. And this 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.560 is a movie that literally lays out all of those 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.880 talking points in the funniest way possible. It also overlaps 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.920 with like how Latin X actors are stereotyped because they 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.800 like end up casting I think in Jimmy's Revenge they 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.320 end up casting light skinned black actors to play Latin 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.920 X roles and like it just becomes a just a 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.600 big racist mess, like it's and it's all like laid 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.000 out for you in I don't know. I had to 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.840 like rewind a couple of times because I was like 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.960 laughing because it's funny, and then I was like, wait 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.880 a second, they just said something really really important, and 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.040 then I had to like do a do an intellectual 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.960 watch after after Yeah, it's the kind of thing of 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.200 it's just like any minority would do, you know. And 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:54.600 that was and that's like that's something that it's still 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.920 didn't change at all really in the nineties. You know, 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:03.040 it was um in Black Acting school like one of 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.320 the things that always like strikes me one of the 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.960 things that's like always so funny with the black acting schools, 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.560 just like when they have the white actors show the 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.040 black actors like how to walk and stuff. Oh yeah, 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:19.600 it's like it's just it's just my it's it's one 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.759 of those things that it's like I'm watching this movie 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.760 and I think about like what it is now thirty 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.360 years later, and it's like that's like the equivalent of 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.239 like when white people are like, oh yeah, you talk 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.719 white like, you know, Like it's that same kind of 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:35.359 it's that same kind of thing. Yeah, And like you 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.600 see Bobby like in a bunch of different scenes having 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:42.400 to code switch from just like the way he normally 0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.920 talks to the way the white filmmakers want him to 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.000 talk when he's like acting in the audition or like 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:54.120 on set, because they want him to be more of 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.680 what they think a black person is and how they 0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.480 think a black person talks. And there's a been a 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.400 line in the end credit song where one of the 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:08.920 white filmmakers says that he learned about black people from TV, 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.280 and he's sort of using that as like his defense 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:19.000 and his excuse. But those racist portrayals influenced his racist portrayals, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.680 so you know, you just get this like never ending 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:26.560 cycle of negative representation in media because rich white people 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.680 are making all of the decisions. Oh and and just 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:34.280 the idea of Jimmy himself, like the character of Jimmy, 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:39.240 like this this podcast is mostly gonna be about Jimmy's revenge. 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:46.160 We should just title this Jimmy. Uh. But like Jimmy's Revenge. 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.640 It's like he he brings to it in the audition 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:54.319 such a ridiculous like stereotype because he knows that's what 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.680 would appease them, because like Jimmy in and of itself, 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.640 if you just like me, it's like, oh, yeah, this 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.920 could have been like a tough guy, but they like 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:08.600 purposely want this like foolish, you know, buffoon, And it's like, yeah, 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.360 that's that's a part that's like always got to me, definitely. 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:17.080 And there's commentary in this movie as well on black 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:22.400 actors resenting these like racist stereotypical roles that they are 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:26.640 presented with and not wanting to play them, but having 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.279 to do it anyway because they need work, they need 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.319 to be able to support themselves, and those are the 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.160 only roles available to them, so they can't turn them down, 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.720 even though they're so regressive and reductive. Like that actor 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.920 who was like who keeps going to Bobby and being like, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.440 I can't believe that someone would do this part, and 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.360 and he's like, I'm going and then he takes it 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:53.600 because right, yeah, And I like, doesn't he it's him 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.399 who comes back at the end, right, and he goes 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.440 that he's just like clearly resentful that Bobby has gotten 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.520 the part, but trying to like high grounded, he's like, yeah, 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.640 I don't know if I would have taken on such 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.319 an offensive role, but you know, but he's there in 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:13.400 the same movie doing a smaller role, which which to 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.160 me is like the equivalent of like people like commenting 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.680 on a tweet, you know what I mean. It's like, Oh, 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.000 I have this moral superiority, but yet I'm going to 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:28.200 engage in like the same behavior, you know, like, yeah, 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:34.560 it's real blue check behavior. He's just playing there. Yeah. 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:36.640 I think that the way that this movie kind of 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.480 lays out just the predicament that Bobby and all of 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.680 these black actors are in is like even with how 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.239 they're received by the black community, Like it's like you 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.319 just can't win because it's like, Okay, if you want 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.440 to be an actor, there are only these offensive roles available. 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.240 So the option is to either quit what you're passionate 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:02.879 about or play the game. And then now like your 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.799 grandma doesn't respect you and like that like that is 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.719 so I don't know, like I've never seen that laid 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.200 out so well, yeah, I I completely agree, but I 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.960 think you're also forgetting about the third option, which is 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:19.680 to be the best actor in a post office commercial. 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:24.359 And that's always like the third option is you can 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.800 be flow the progressive lady of the US Postal Service, 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.799 and if you could, if you could get that, I mean, 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.399 it's kind of the best of both worlds. So like, 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:40.880 let's always remember the third option. It's always on the table. Yes, 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:47.759 that is that is the hero's journey here. I like 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.200 to think that's the only commercial you ever does too, 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.879 and it just makes bank, you know what I mean. 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.799 I mean it's like the residuals had to have been 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:00.719 sweet on that and it was timeless. It wasn't a 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:04.880 dated looking commercial. Anytime I hear about people being in commercials, 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:10.439 I'm like, holy ship, Like it's ridiculous money. I hope 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.120 that he bought a house with his postal service commercial. Yeah, 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.760 because you know how federally funded the United States Post 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.680 Office is just paying millions of dollars to advertise all 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:27.279 the time. Hey sent any mail lately. I love it. 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.040 People need stamps and they don't know where to go. 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.480 This is a this is a great time for that. 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:40.319 If you're looking for stamps in your town hall, but 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.680 you don't know where to go in the middle of 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.799 your place of business, you can always go to the 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:50.600 post office. Well, Sam a ringing endorsement of the United 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.279 States post you can cut that. You're gonna cut. No, 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:59.840 I'm keeping you. I'm cutting it. Also, the post Office 0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:02.280 is having a bit of a moment right now, so 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.000 people about the post Office. I've seen people in post 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.759 office crop tops. I'm like, what is going on? I 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:13.239 bought so much post office merch pre election. It was, 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.640 but I want to talk about I think like the 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.160 real third option here, which is to do what Robert 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.680 Townsend did, which is he like wrote this movie, co 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.640 wrote this movie, directed it, produced it, funded it himself. 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.400 It only had a one dollar budget. The movie made 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.440 five million at the box office, which you know isn't 0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.040 a lot of money, but comparatively for the small budget 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.440 it was on, it was like considered a big success, 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.200 and then he got an amazing career out of it. 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.160 He was like directing Eddie Murphy Specials by the end 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.920 of that calendar year. Like that's so, it's yeah, and 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:54.919 I wanted to I found an article Vanity Fair. Yes. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.480 I love when we find the same both finding the 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:04.040 one article that, yeah, your note You guys take so 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:09.000 many notes that your notes come together, like that's your 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:16.280 notes a symbiotic. It's like venom and Tom Hardy. Wow. 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:24.240 I was not expecting you to use that reference me either. 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.479 You think you think you think I came in were 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:33.239 with notes? Non man, I'm I'm straight up improvn And 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:39.120 that's the best I could come up with a venom reference. Incredible. 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.719 I did not pre plan of a venom reference. That's 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.720 the new Like that's like the new Yin and Yang. 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:56.080 It's just oh, we have fun. But yeah, that that 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:59.520 Vanity Fair pieces great. Yes, says I wanted to read 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.520 a little bit from it, just to give a little 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.400 bit of background on Robert Townsend and sort of like 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.520 how this movie came together. So the article is entitled 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:14.279 thirty years later, the searing critiques of Hollywood Shuffle still sting. 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.160 H quote Townsend was in experience. He didn't go to 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.880 film school and hadn't directed a short film, so he 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:26.439 had not directed Um Jimmy's Revenge before UM, but he's 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:35.000 still snuck it in there. It's like, mank uh. He 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.480 didn't go to film school and hadn't directed a short film, 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.960 but determined to tell a story about being marginalized by 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.920 the industry. In four he had a small role in 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.600 the Oscar nominated a Soldiers Story. I told my agent, 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.720 I want to do more movies like this, Townsend tells 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.680 Vanity Fair. My agent was like, Robert, they only do 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.440 one black movie a year. You just did it. Be happy. 0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:00.680 But Townsend wasn't happy. So he talked to a friend, Waynes, 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.840 whom he met at the Improv in New York. I 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.320 thought my dream of being an artist was dying because 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.719 at the time the only roles Keenan and I were 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.400 auditioning for were slaves and pimps and stereotypes of basketball 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.879 players who couldn't read towns and said it was all 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.760 the negative stuff. And then Keenan and I started talking, 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:20.760 and I was like, we should do a movie about 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.759 our lives. That's how it started. And then they wrote 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.319 the script together without any studio backing, though Townsend was 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:31.360 faced with financing the film on his own. Uh he says, quote, 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.920 the idea of somebody writing, directing, and producing and starring 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.440 in a movie, especially a person of color, wasn't heard of. 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.279 Everybody said the bar was so high you couldn't get 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.240 in if you didn't have millions and millions of dollars. 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.160 And then he eventually raised a hundred thousand dollars to 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.279 make Shuffle, using money he earned from acting gigs as 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:57.000 well as credit cards and quote, so the rest is hi, Yeah, 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:01.240 I love this story of how this movie was made. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.960 And then it actually, I mean it's it is kind 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.200 of like that thing that we talked about on the 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:10.160 show pretty frequently, is Hollywood refusing to make a movie 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.120 that audiences clearly want to see because once it is made, 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.759 like against all odds, it does super well, and like 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:22.120 this made back its budget fifty times, like it launched 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:26.839 the career of a few different people, and like it 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.080 it's always so frustrating, like when you're like why why 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.520 wouldn't you just make a movie with a black autour, 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.520 Like why why? And it's that like van Go thing 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.720 of like, you know, Townsend never really got the credit 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:46.120 for this movie, and yet it's like it's such a 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.080 cornerstone of like so much that comes after it, you know, 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.440 and uh, it's it's it's really amazing thinking of like 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.279 how much stuff has been made and it's like, oh, 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.480 this is this seems like a thing from Hollywood Shuffle, 0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.640 and how many careers were made from it. Yeah, it's 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.160 it's really like amazing. Then when you look at Townsend's 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:08.200 career after this movie, it's like he for the most part, 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.000 doesn't make he doesn't make a movie like anything that 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.600 he actually lampooned in Hollywood Shuffle. And that's one of 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.960 the most amazing things about his career is like he 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.640 kind of stuck to for better for worse. He's stuck 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:26.920 to the Hollywood Shuffle like he you know, he makes 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:31.799 like a bio film, he makes a family sitcom, a 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:35.080 black superhero movie. You know. It's it's like it's kind 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.239 of like it's kind of remarkable that he actually like 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:42.399 still stuck to those principles. I guess, yeah, he's a 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:47.239 man of integrity. I love. I'm like, oh, he's great. Uh. 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.719 And then and and I guess just going off as 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.319 as amazing as it is that he was able to 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.400 make this movie the way he was, it is like 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.759 it's both inspiring and kind of like it's because we've 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:03.600 heard this story of like marginalized filmmakers having to like 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.319 jump through all sorts of hoops financially and production wise 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.759 in order to get their first movie made. And then 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.560 you hear other stories of like Wes Anderson was just 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.760 handed ten million dollars. I couldn't even write on paper, 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.160 and they said this boy, I like, I like the 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.400 cut of his jib, and he seems like he'll come up, 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:28.240 he'll come up with something. And meanwhile there's like these 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:32.200 you know, and it's like whatever, that's no shade os Anderson. 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.360 He figured it out eventually, but like, you know, it 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.520 just just the disparity and like who is handed money 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.960 even though they're not even qualified and like amazing artists 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.640 with like a really clear perspective, like Robert Townsend and 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.600 I'm also thinking of like Jeff Barnaby, like his story 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:52.400 of making rhymes for young girls or a woman walks 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.440 home alone at night. I got the title wrong, but 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.960 like all of these like really amazing movies with the 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:04.719 are just different, like the the climb to get it 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.719 released and like made the way the director wants is 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.640 so steep, and meanwhile we're just handing west Understand a 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.960 blank check and being like you'll figure it out, twenty 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.800 two year old, like good luck. It's infuriating. There's even 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:23.520 some commentary similar to that in Hollywood Shuffle where there's 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:26.279 a scene where towards the end, Bobby is like observing 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:31.399 white actors in the studio that he's in. Basically it's 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.880 just like, yeah, white actors are given the freedom to 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:38.120 take on roles that aren't these racist stereotypes obviously, like 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:43.080 they can audition for a wider scope of parts. And 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.160 because you see him watching like two white actors rehearse 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.480 the scene where they're like professing their love for each other, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.920 and then he sees another white action star who's like 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.000 making demands of the script, and then like the white 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:58.719 producers are like acquiescing to his demands for the most part. 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:03.000 So hey, I was just thinking, Man, I would love 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.360 to see Wes Anderson direct a remake of Hollywood Shuffle. 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.600 That would be so amazing. All the parts would be 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:28.680 played by Ralph Fines and fucking perfectly symmetrical. Reimagine everyone's 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.880 the same movie and it was all black actors, but 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:39.560 they were all wearing both ties, like same cast, and 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:43.920 then there's just like so much headroom above every the 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:48.000 actors and every shot. Oh my god, I like, I 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.120 know that Wes Anderson is a competent filmmaker. I just 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.880 get exhausted even thinking about watching one of his movies. 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.400 It's just there's just too much. It's too much. I 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.520 like Moonrise Kingdom a lot. I like that one. I 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.120 still seen that. I like that one a lot. I 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.520 didn't see the I didn't see the dog one. Oh 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.640 I love dogs. I did not like I love dogs 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.239 really at all, like that one. I think it's funny 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.480 that it's called I Love Dogs. It took me forever 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.480 to figure out that it's just called I Love Dogs. 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:23.240 Oh me too, I didn't know Marley and Me was 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:28.200 was about a dog. Oh yeah, isn't that dog dog dies? 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:34.040 I thought spoilers Marley. I thought it was like a 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:40.920 Julia and Julia thing with Bob Marley, Like, wow, Sam, 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:50.120 you have to write that script just a Adam, just 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:55.839 just being like, I love Weed. The exact same set 0:49:55.920 --> 0:50:06.560 up is Julian exact same movie. Hey Sam, this would 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.760 be a really interesting time to take an ad break, 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.480 just in case. Hey guys, you know what, this conversation 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.719 is great, but you know it's even better what ads 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:23.359 we should take. We're gonna take a quick commercial break 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:41.040 and movie right back, folks. Incredible, it is this going? Okay, 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:43.799 I'm sorry, I'm having an absolute ball. I just feel 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.319 like I just I just feel like your listeners are 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:49.120 gonna be like, what the what the hell? They let 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:58.480 the guy do the ads now? Only only for you. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:02.280 We we make the exception for you and you alone, Sam. 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:09.319 Only only friends can tossed a brick. Also, well, I'm 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:10.960 surprised we have not brought this up yet, but the 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.239 episode that we did with you a few years ago 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:18.240 now was a live episode that we recorded in Boston, 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.959 And because it was in Boston, Jamie's mom was there, 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:27.400 and Jamie's mom that fateful meeting. For anyone who remembers 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.960 this on the Men in Black episode was aggressively hitting 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:39.879 on Sam during the show loudly. It was sparks were 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:45.640 flying in the middle of our podcast. Also the room 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:49.560 that that was like the the smaller theater at Improv Boston. 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.120 Like you can't overstate how physically close the audience is 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.760 to you. Like so my mom could have just reached 0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:01.400 out and like held your hands. Yes, yes, it should 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:05.399 have happened, honestly, I mean it's still can't It's still 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:10.720 what's stopping you. It's never too late, honestly, no doubt. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.719 Like I added your mom on Facebook, immediately act and 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:21.799 show it's still it's not It's not too late. My mom, 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:27.239 just bring over a Diane Lane DVD. Is Yeah, I 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:31.880 got that. I got that Diane Lane DVD. Uh Candle 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:39.080 what oh was it an Taylor and Aunt Taylor Candle. 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:43.319 That's what I'm going to bring. Yeah, she'll she will 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:48.959 be disarmed, she won't know what She'll be like, I've 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:51.400 only ever seen this in a Diane Lane movie before. 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:59.480 I can't believe it's happening. I mean, honestly, for me, 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.200 all I mean, you know, like you know, all joking aside. 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:05.319 I just I really think your Mom's like just just 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.239 just a great just a great woman. And you know, 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.600 I think it's amazing how she just raised such a 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.960 loving and caring family. And uh, you know, and if 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:20.120 she's listening, like you know, my damn's are open, Jill, 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:27.000 you hear that, Jill, M this man, don't blow this. 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:33.600 I'm very attached to the idea of Sam becoming my dad, 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:40.360 so it would be huge for me. So am I? 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:49.239 So am I. Well, here's okay, here's where I would 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.920 like to get into some of the more criticism of 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.279 this movie, because while there is a lot of very 0:53:55.320 --> 0:54:00.320 effective commentary in the movie, there are some parts that, um, 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.960 just the movie kind of fails to touch on. Uh, 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:07.360 And I'm talking mostly about how black women are largely 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:12.400 left out of this commentary. Yeah, black women are not 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:16.680 entirely absent, because there are different moments where some of 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.440 the black actors who are women are talking about how 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:26.160 they are usually only cast in like sex worker roles 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:32.279 or or just straight up murder victim roles. Right, Yeah, 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.240 it's like that. Yeah. One of the things that stuck 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:36.839 out to me was like, I feel like we're led 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:39.439 to believe that women are more involved in this movie 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.000 than they are. Like the marketing of this movie. Um 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:46.400 Anne Marie Johnson who plays uh Bobby's girlfriend Lydia, like 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.640 she's on the poster and then you're like, oh, so 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.719 this is like she's going to be involved, but she's 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.200 kind of she we don't. I mean, I couldn't tell 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.840 you a thing about this character that isn't She's Bobby's girlfriend. 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:04.600 There's friend, here's girlfriend, which sucks because it's like the 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:11.880 performances really know there's I didn't mean to cut you 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:15.480 off with that. That's like Ron Berman. No, that was 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:20.040 me quoting ourselves on this very podcast for a long 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:25.239 running joke, which you'd know if you'd ever listen, sam Well, 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:29.000 I I listened. I listened every episode. I get ten 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:34.320 mints in. I'm like, no Ron Perlman reference. I do 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:38.400 that with every single podcast. That's why that's why I 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:43.719 didn't get in into Cereal. I'm getting really into the 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.560 Ron Perlman Beauty and the Beast series. We talked about 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.320 it on the past episode, but I just kind of 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:54.680 kept watching it. But yeah, like Emery Johnson, who like 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.480 goes on to have like a pretty great career, she 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.000 was like on in Living Color, that's where I realized 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.080 that I recognized her from in the middle of watching 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:06.680 this movie. Um, but it's there's so many opportunities for 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.040 Lydia in this movie that I feel like you're all 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.040 kind of dropped in and we mostly see her in 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:16.760 like either she's being supportive towards Bobby, which is great, 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:20.000 but like that's kind of it. Or you see her 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.520 in like a fantasy that Bobby is having about her, 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.840 not fantasy, like a nightmare sequence where she all of 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.520 a sudden isn't supportive of him. But that is really 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.080 the only two modes we see her, and it's like 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:36.239 supporting my boyfriend or not supporting my boyfriend. You know 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:41.160 where she works. That's it. That's it. And I mean, 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:43.239 not only could we just have seen more of her, 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.600 there was just there's just so much room for commentary 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:50.000 on the way black women are represented in Hollywood, and 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.040 they're just really isn't much in the way of that 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:57.560 commentary at all. There's another moment where in the audition 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:00.000 scene towards the beginning of the movie, there are two 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.360 women who were talking to each other about one of 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:05.200 them had been invited over to a movie director's house 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.319 at midnight, and instead of there being any kind of 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:12.759 commentary on how women and particularly women of color are 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:18.000 exploited by powerful people in the entertainment industry, instead of that, 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.320 a joke has made about how the woman was like, 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.560 of course I went to his house and I was 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:26.920 one minute early. T he so just like there were 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:33.560 opportunities feminists, all right. I was rewatching this movie this 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.200 morning and I was like, Yo, that's gonna be a 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:42.000 Bechdel cast. Note. I was like, yeah, they're going to 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:46.840 mention down the Beachdel cast. Were you right? It's true 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.480 that because it's like there was like a moment in 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:54.000 the movie where like Robert Townsend is beyond qualified to 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.880 be making all of these like he's making a ton 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.400 of amazing points in the same scene. And then yeah, 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.840 it's like they're kind of a misogynist joke that like 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:07.240 implies that like, oh, you know, these actors, you know 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.880 they get it, they don't they don't mind having to 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.720 like have sex with these nasty directors in order to 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.360 get work. And that was and then the only other 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:19.200 woman you see preparing and that sequence is flailing around 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:24.080 because she's going to be a murder victim. Um so yeah, 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:27.640 just most of the meaningful commentary in this movie about 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:32.640 black representation in Hollywood is about black men specifically, and 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:36.640 again in this movie, black women are largely left out 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:41.280 of the conversation, which is because they are like, as 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.680 we were kind of talking about, it's like the struggles 0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:47.200 that black women face in the industry are compounded with 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:51.760 misogyny on top of everything. So there's yeah, I was, 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:54.920 and I think like another thing that makes it always 0:58:55.000 --> 0:59:00.280 like so tough, as like in in this film, there's 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:04.440 also this like idea in the in this time period 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.600 where a black woman's like the best thing she could 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:14.280 be was a great mom or a great grandma, you know, 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.320 and a lot of those movies and in those films, 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:19.040 and it's like and that was like, that's like one 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.480 of those things was like, it was like the importance 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:26.640 of black motherhood is shown, like is very important in 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:29.120 a lot of things that that Robert Townsen does, and 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.200 it's and it's also seen in this movie. But it 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:35.959 was the it's the fact that there's nothing beyond that, 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:41.840 you know, which is always like, which is the disappointing factor. Definitely, 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:45.040 I almost wish I was I wish that his girlfriend 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:47.919 was like also an actor or something like, she could 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.479 have been like included in the story that way where 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:52.720 it's like, oh, here's a person we already know played 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:56.800 by an amazing comic actress. And and then like you know, 0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:00.360 ask literally and Marie Johnson. When you're writing this movie Getty, 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:01.960 it's always that thing of just like, oh, if you 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.880 don't you know, fully know what are the specific struggles 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:10.240 that black female actors face, just ask your friend, Like, 1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:14.880 she's right there for it. She's literally right there, she's 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:19.240 on she's hanging out on the poster of your movie. Um, 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.280 but yeah, that's a great like if if she had 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:25.760 also been like a struggling actor auditioning four roles that 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:29.280 were largely racist stereotypes, like that could have opened up 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:34.440 all those opportunities for much needed commentary on that very topic. 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.880 But it would have just like made their relationship a 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.560 little more interesting too, because all we know is like 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:41.680 they're dating, they love they love each other, which is 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.240 like great, but like they would be cool if they 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.640 had like that, like they bonded over this like shared 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:52.640 frustration and struggle as well. Yeah, I just wish that 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.640 there was more of Emory Johnson in this movie. Because 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.160 in the middle I was like, wait a second, she's 1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:01.800 like super fucking talented. I wish she was more. I did, 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:05.600 like I guess that, yeah, the mother figures the mother, 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:09.040 and then particularly the grandmother who what what show is 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:13.680 she on? She's on Good Times another show I watched. 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:16.760 I watched a lot of Niked Knight as a child then. 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:22.240 But I liked that Bobby's grandmother was kind of like 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:24.800 she kind of ended up being the only person who, 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:28.680 you know, saw what was going on and said it, 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.919 which I thought was kind of cool. I just wish 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:35.080 that there was like more, I don't know, more more 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:39.160 of her. Yeah. In fact, for the first like fifty 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:42.480 or so minutes of the movie, I was like, oh, 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.560 I guess we're just going to meet the grandmother and 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:48.240 then she's never gonna come back into the story. But 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:50.640 then she does, and she plays a pretty significant role 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:54.000 in sort of inspiring Bobby to like walk off this 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:58.160 set and quit this movie, because in this world, you 1:01:58.240 --> 1:02:01.440 bring your entire family to shoot a movie with you. 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:04.080 That was the other thing. I was like, Wow, he 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:09.000 just brought literally everyone he knows to the same including 1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:12.160 his child brother, and they would film in the whole movie. 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:18.040 In that one day, it's like a guy, damn play 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.440 the heart. Do you think of it? About it? The 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:28.960 lass Jimmy's Revenge makes sense? But yeah, so I like 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:34.160 that the grandmother character becomes important and a lot of 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:37.920 what she says is like, again, part of this important 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:41.120 commentary that's happening in the movie. And then there's even 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:44.880 like a nice conversation between her and Bobby's mom where 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.720 she's saying, like, I don't want a grandson of mine 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:51.880 to be adding to all this negative imagery of black 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:56.040 people in media, and his mom is like, yes, everything 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:59.680 you're saying is right, but also it's work, like he 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:02.360 need needs to work and if this is has chosen 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:07.600 line of work, like he's got to do what's available 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:09.560 to him. And so there's like that, you know, the 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.960 push and pull of do I take a horribly racist 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:19.280 role or do I, you know, like by by my principles, 1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.520 which means never getting work and never making money. So 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:25.360 it's like this whole the just a tug of war 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:31.040 kind of thing with your own conscience. But um yeah, 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:33.680 like we said, there's we get introduced to the grandmother 1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:36.240 at the very beginning, and then she's pretty much absent 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:40.640 from the story until the last like twenty minutes or so, right, 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:43.120 And I liked I mean, I liked that conversation that 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:46.520 his mother and grandmother we're having, Like that is I 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.280 feel like that's like that conversation they're having is at 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:52.160 the core of the movie, and like clearly he like 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:56.280 really values their respect and like doesn't want to disappoint them, 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.640 and they're kind of at the core of like the 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:00.560 kind of like the back in for it that he's 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:02.560 experiencing of like does he take this role or not? 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:07.959 But yeah, but they're just barely there. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:09.680 I mean it is. It is one of those things 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:13.680 where it's like, I I wish there was definitely more 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:18.120 in that because that that central theme of the movie 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.960 comes down to two black women talking and it's like 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:24.120 I wish there was more of a lead up to it. Yeah, Yeah, 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:29.040 that that was like that, and then the the unchecked 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:32.040 homophobia that came up at a few points in this 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:41.040 movie were certainly very Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, 1:04:41.080 --> 1:04:43.640 it's that was I mean, how the how the female 1:04:43.680 --> 1:04:48.040 characters are kind of sidelined was like really the main 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:51.480 thing that bummed me out about this movie, because otherwise 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:54.920 it's like saying so much that no movie ever does 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:58.680 and saying it that is so like still unfortunately like 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:02.439 super relevant. Yeah, and it's like, you know, black black 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.720 women deserve to be a part of that conversation. And 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:07.840 there's just as much, if not you know, even more 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:12.480 like comedic stuff to draw on, but it's just not 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:14.280 what this movie is doing. Yeah, I guess that like 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:17.480 the most the one of the biggest bummers of it 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:21.880 is like that's the that's the most that a lot 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:24.920 of the black actress, the three black actress in this 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.840 movie got to do other than the stereotypes in the 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:32.080 movie like that year Like that's also like just such 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:36.680 a such such a stark thing. Is like they don't 1:05:36.720 --> 1:05:40.320 really do a whole lot in necessarily this movie. But 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:44.120 it's and it's still not it's at least not the 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.760 thing that they're lamp wounding in it. And it's like 1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:51.880 still like such a mind warp of just like awfulness. Yeah, wait, 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:55.400 I'm this is I'm looking at Amory Johnson's IMDb and 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:58.680 I'm realizing I've seen her in so much stuff, including 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:01.920 she was an iconic role on That's so raven. She 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:05.720 played Donna Cabana on That's So Raven all my thoughts 1:06:05.760 --> 1:06:11.000 So Raven heads, you'll know who I'm talking about. Wow. Huge, 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:16.840 she was in Boomerang. I remember that. Oh yeah, Wow, 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:20.640 that makes me so happy. I'm googling Donna Cabana because 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:26.240 she had the best outfits. Anyways, Um, shout out to 1:06:26.280 --> 1:06:32.400 Donna Cabana. Um, it's saying it over and over. It 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:38.320 gets I wish I knew what that was she save. 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:42.080 I also did not watch She's wait. I want to 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.320 make sure I'm getting her character description right. I'm pretty 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:47.000 sure she Yeah, she's like a famous fashion designer in 1:06:47.040 --> 1:06:50.080 the world of That's So Raven. She's like Raven's hero. 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:53.280 She looks up to Donna Cabana and she wants to 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:55.760 be just like Donna Cabana. And then she meets Donna 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.520 Cabana and guess what. Donna Cabana is a bit of 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:07.440 a wacky character my Disney channel. Um, so you know 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:11.560 it's written. Uh, it's co written with Keenan, Ivory Waynes 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:14.480 and Robert Townsend. Directed by Robert Townsend. It's produced by 1:07:14.560 --> 1:07:19.320 Robert Townsend. And there is a woman in the mix here. Um, 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:24.480 there is a female Latin X producer named Lydia Nicole 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:27.680 who has gone by Lydia Fernandez at different times in 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:31.800 her career. But I did not like I once I 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:34.240 saw pictures of her. She was in a bunch of 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:37.800 she's like a child actor who kind of became a producer. 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.800 And now UM is in charge of a nonprofit called 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:45.160 Common Sense Media and like advocates for representation in media. 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:50.120 But this was like her first producing gig. She was 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:53.360 previously in another movie we talked about recently, Stand and Deliver, 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:56.800 the classic. I think she was one of the students 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.080 in Stand and Deliver. I'm not I'm not exactly sure, 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:03.600 but and she kind of pivoted into UM producing and 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:06.640 backing projects that she believed in. She started doing stand 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:10.400 up in her late twenties and like started all these 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:14.280 like women of color comedy showcases in l A and like, 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:17.200 I don't know, I just got rules. I enjoyed learning 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:21.040 about her and she she started UM. After that, she 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:24.800 she collaborated with Robert Townsend. I think a few more times. 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:26.840 She's like a producer on a bunch of his projects 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:30.840 and UM and their buds. So I just wanted to 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:34.960 give her her a shout out, because it's always I mean, 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:39.799 especially in the late eighties, there's like barely any women 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:44.080 high up in any Hollywood project, and so I'm glad 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:47.320 that she she like had a seat at the table there. Yeah, 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:50.720 that's awesome. Shout out Lydia, shout out. I wonder if 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.439 the character in this movie Lydia was named after her? 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:58.439 I wow, makes I did not. I did all that 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:02.600 research and did not make that connect. Yeah, yeah, see that. 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:06.200 See that. That's that symbiotic relationship. You guys, your notes 1:09:06.280 --> 1:09:10.720 fit into each other's notes. We need each other to 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:15.280 connect the dots. Sometimes, yeah, you're mad mad Venom vibes here. 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:23.439 Sometimes I listened to the themes that Eminem theme song 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:25.559 from Venom when I just need a good laugh because 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:28.479 it's so funny. WHOA, I didn't know that was a thing. 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:32.880 Oh my god. It's just like him who knows what 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:37.560 he's thinking for must but then he goes just Venom, 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:41.519 but like just he just screams Venom, and you're just like, 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.720 this is such a disaster. It's it's the funniest song 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:49.080 in the world. I forgot all about that song. And yeah, 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:55.400 the best part of Venom laid in the movie. Yeah, 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:58.000 as if that movie could couldn't get any more like 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:01.040 bash you over the head with when it's about Eminem 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:08.479 starts screaming Venom in the middle like it is wild. 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:14.000 That's great. That's also the most San Francisco movie. That's 1:10:14.040 --> 1:10:17.360 like that year. It's like that movie and Last black 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:20.320 Man in San Francisco were like I was like, wow 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:23.120 that it was like that was part of the San 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:28.280 Francisco come up. San Francisco representation at an all time high. 1:10:28.840 --> 1:10:33.680 You had Sorry to Bother You, Last black Man, San Francisco, 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.680 and Venom like they all came out like within a year. 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:42.840 I was like, yo, mad, San Francisco movies all very similar. Wow. 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.120 I was just gonna do a quick shout out. I mean, 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:53.080 I don't really have like much to note in terms 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:56.240 of his character, but always love to see John Witherspoon. 1:10:56.560 --> 1:11:01.280 Oh yes, John Willispoon so good the he's his boss 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:07.240 at the hot dog stand, Dinky Dog. I was curious. 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:08.680 I was like when I saw that, I'm like, I 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:13.320 wonder how like because they're like uniform in the aesthetic 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:16.719 is similar to Good Burger, and I'm like, I wonder 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:21.439 if Good Burger is pulling from the Hollywood Shuffle asthetic. 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:27.040 It's the it's the expanding universe. Yeah, Jamie, I think 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:32.120 it's crucial that we cover Good Burger on the Bendel Cast. Absolutely. 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:36.000 In my in my notes, I wrote, like, am I 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:42.840 reaching dog looks? I don't think so. I Good Burger 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.320 was my favorite movie. I don't know what year it 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:47.320 came out, but whatever year it came out, that was 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:53.519 my favorite movie of that year. Yeah. Well that I 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:55.760 was like, I was like, Titanic was my favorite if 1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:58.679 it is ninety seven, obviously Titanic is my favorite movie 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:02.360 of ninety seven. I would love to see, like you, 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:04.720 at like ten years old, what your top Tenny, You're 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:10.160 like like, You're like, yo, it's it's Titanic, it's good Burger, 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:13.000 Good Burger. And I found as good as he gets. 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:19.639 I found it tart a bit derivative for me. Yeah, 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:22.360 that was the word. I was saying that tarts a flavor, right, 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:26.320 I think movies can be tarted. I haven't revisited Good 1:12:26.320 --> 1:12:29.200 Burger in so long. Oh my god, I got my 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:31.960 little Good Burger. Antenna went up because they have the 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.479 same like hats. I'm like, maybe that's just what hats 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:37.120 looked like at fast food restaurants in the eighties and nineties. 1:12:37.120 --> 1:12:40.680 I don't know, I think don't remember. Even so, even so, 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:43.839 good Burger is important for us to talk about. Speaking 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:48.160 of Winky Dinky Dogs, another thing that I didn't love 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:52.000 to see, obviously was Bobby constantly fat shames one of 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:56.920 his co workers at Winky Dinky Dogs and another just 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:01.160 like of the time, still a problem him in Hollywood. 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.840 Not good. Another thing I wanted to Sam, you brought 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:07.120 this up, but I wanted to just say a little 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:09.160 bit more about it as far as another piece of 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:12.599 commentary that the movie does in terms of um black 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:19.559 actors with really impressive credentials being forced into again just 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:22.920 the reductive roles that are available to them. Because there's 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:25.519 that scene where like that guy's like, I just I 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:28.720 got my degree at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:33.040 and then he goes on to try to audition for 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.200 this role. He doesn't do a good job, and then 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:36.640 he's like, wait a minute, I can do it in 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:41.920 I ambic pentameter u. Yeah. Yeah. I always I always 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:44.080 think of as a class thing, Like I always think 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:47.080 of him as like this this like up pitty like 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:49.960 Ivy League guy, and he's like, oh no, you can't 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:53.760 even you can't. You know you you were so removed 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:57.200 from from what's like really going on to be able 1:13:57.240 --> 1:13:59.880 to do it, and and then to have the audacity 1:13:59.920 --> 1:14:04.320 to be like, oh yeah, I can do it. It's 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:08.200 like my favorite thing I was. It's very it's so funny. 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:11.519 I was reading it as how so many black actors 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:14.519 will have like or just like performance artists in general, 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.400 they'll have gone to like Juilliard or like, you know, 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:24.200 some really well regarded school. They'll have an impressive educational background. 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:27.120 They'll have had to put in so much more work 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:30.800 than their white peers, but you know, have access to 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:35.280 way fewer opportunities to showcase their hard work and their talent, 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:39.479 which seems very pulled from like Robert Townson's own life too, 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:42.760 because he's like extremely well trained. He like went through 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:46.720 all every second city course on the planet. He was 1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:49.800 like a part of a theater company in New York. 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:53.880 Like he like put in the hours and like, yeah, 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:56.920 those scenes especially, I feel like the movie is like 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.160 at its strongest when he's like pulling from his like 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:03.240 personal experience, and like the same for Keen and Ivory 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:05.280 wins because it's like, yeah, he went to school for 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:08.559 this for fucking years and years and years. You know. 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:11.920 I forgot to mention this when we were talking abou 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:18.000 winky Dinky dogs might go on perfect beginning to a sentence. 1:15:20.720 --> 1:15:25.240 I just love when he's like, when we see that 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:29.400 the minimum wage has only gone up five dollars in 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:32.519 thirty two and thirty two or thirty three years. Yeah, 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:38.120 I was like, holy shit, because because Keena's like I 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:45.800 was making two fifty, I'm making to sixty five. Yeah. Yeah, man, 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:49.479 I don't know what adjusted for inflation that even is, 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:57.400 but like, damn, just not criminal how little we pay. Um. 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:01.160 I went in to kittlee do you reference this at 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:03.000 the beginning? I have some some notes on it that 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:07.559 how this movie was received at the time of its release. Um, 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:10.680 so it's kind of I didn't notice that there were 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:14.320 a few lukewarm reviews based on kind of the stuff 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:17.439 we were talking about, where like some reviewers kind of 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:21.960 knocked Townsend for not addressing or just kind of making 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:26.519 light of the struggle of black female actors and also 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.760 of queer people, and like, there were certainly points lost, 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:36.160 mostly from female reviewers, from that, but it's generally really 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.960 well reviewed when it comes out. Ebert gave it three stars, 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:44.280 which I mean, he's only got thumps, he's only got 1:16:44.320 --> 1:16:50.920 two thumbs, but he's got three stars from and he 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:52.680 does I guess. I guess he does three out of 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.639 four stars. So if you're thinking of five, like so 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:59.680 he gave, he said it was an artistic compromise, but 1:16:59.720 --> 1:17:03.040 a gistical triumph, announcing the arrival of a new talent 1:17:03.120 --> 1:17:05.599 whose next movie should really be something. And it's like, 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:08.800 shut up, but like you sounded just you sounded just 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:15.920 like Durantula when you said it's like people people liked it, 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:18.760 and it was it did really well, and it seems like, 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:21.920 um yeah, everyone was like, oh wow, like here's this 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:25.960 like new oh tour and so so that I found that, 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:29.960 I honestly like, you just never know with especially in 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:33.240 like the late eighties, where it's like there's next to 1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:35.840 no one in the film reviewing community that is not 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:38.720 an old white guy that like is really trying to 1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:44.320 be Roger Ebert. So I think there's worth noting though that, 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:48.840 at least on the Rotten Tomatoes count, this movie was 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:57.519 only reviewed by critics versus major blockbuster wide release movies 1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:00.479 that will get hundreds of reviews. So this is the 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.040 type of movie like it could have been elevated had 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:07.680 more critics reviewed it and reviewed it positively and like 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:10.960 that would have encouraged more people to see it. And 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:16.000 in fact, I'm curious, So listeners, tell us how familiar 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:18.240 you are with this movie, because this movie, I think 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:22.080 it's kind of it's like off the beaten path for 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:24.599 a lot of audiences. Like it's not a super well 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:28.280 known movie, and I knew next to nothing about it 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.880 before we started prepping for this episode. Yeah, I feel 1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:35.240 like most people I know very few people who have 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:38.519 heard of it. It's always like it's always either someone 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:41.320 has seen it and loved it or has never even 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:44.120 heard of it, right, Like I I've never met someone 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:46.280 who's been like, oh I heard of it. I I've 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:48.599 always want to sit, you know. I never like yeah, 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:52.000 Like it's that kind of movie. Is like people who 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:54.640 would be into it have like definitely seen it, you know, 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.000 or they're like, wow, I can't believe I didn't see it. 1:18:57.439 --> 1:18:59.479 You know. It's like it reminds your nights silver were 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:07.760 nanty Is that how you say nights of Rodancy, Like, 1:19:07.960 --> 1:19:11.880 is Rodanty a person or a place? Um, we don't know. 1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:16.679 I think it's a small village in Italy. That's probably 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:21.000 a safe bet. I was hoping you both were going 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:26.640 to be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard of it. No, 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:31.559 here's what's really embarrassing. I've seen Nights in Rodanthy Knights 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:34.240 of Rodanthy. I don't know what preposition it is. I've 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.280 seen that movie. I have no idea what Rodanthy is. 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:42.439 I can't I don't remember that movie evening. You ever 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:47.480 see that? It's like Vanessa Redgrave and like Patrick Wilson 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:53.840 and um, well, uh what's his name? From Center Beauty 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.760 There in a Beauty Beauty Seat, the one with Billy 1:19:56.800 --> 1:20:00.519 crut Up where he's like Claire Danes and our needs 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:04.519 and uh, I don't know why that was the movie, 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:09.200 The way that you got to Claire Danes, that that 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:17.120 was some more Tom Hardy venom bro Dancy is a 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:23.479 tiny village. Yeah, hell you nailed it. Hell yeah yeah, 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:25.920 you guys say you guys thought I didn't bring fucking notes. 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:29.559 I brought notes. I brought notes to the backtel you 1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:34.800 know what I mean? We Um, does anyone have any 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:39.040 other thoughts on Hollywood Shuffle. Oh, yeah, we would talking 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:46.320 about That's one of my favorite movies. We should do 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:51.040 we should do a podcast episode about it. Oh, I 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:56.960 think that might be a good idea. Oh, I just wanted. 1:20:57.560 --> 1:21:00.600 I just want to say, Um, my favorite part in 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:06.960 Hollywood Shuffle has always been the movie critics uh segment. 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:11.519 It's just my absolute favorite. I it's just jokes on 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:14.920 tops of jokes. I I love it so much. There 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:18.120 is I don't want to see Attack of the Street Pimps, 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.439 and I think it's it's bad everything about it. It's 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:25.960 it's very existence is bad for society. But god damn, 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:29.479 that's hilarious. That scene. It's just so fucking funny. When 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:32.439 they're because like they reviewed these and when they do 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:35.240 the amadas and he's like I used to say, so 1:21:35.320 --> 1:21:37.519 my friends, just like man, I adn't go to see 1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:40.280 any bullshit I can't pronounce, Like, how are you gonna 1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:42.920 be like even like I'm gonna see i'm a i'm 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:48.880 a what I can't stell laughing. And then when they 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:51.519 do the Dirty Harry because I always I never liked 1:21:51.600 --> 1:21:54.639 Dirty Harry. And when they did the Dirty Larry and 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:59.080 that whole Dirty Larry sequence. I think it's like one 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.640 of the funniest things ever ever seen, Like when when 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:04.200 he's like when they're talking about the guns, and then 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:07.519 and then they're like, yo, you think you're gonna have 1:22:07.560 --> 1:22:15.680 a fucking conversation right now? Like I just I just 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:19.519 love this movie. Man. Yeah. That was. And at the 1:22:19.640 --> 1:22:23.040 end of the Attack of the Street Pimps review, they 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:26.080 eat like they were like, it was full of stereotypes, 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:29.840 but we thought the direction was brilliant when they're like, Yo, 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:32.479 that guy looks just like the dude from down the street. 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:39.120 Crack up so much. I really like that. This is 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:42.639 a very like specific joke that people don't make opted 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:44.840 because it's a weird joke to make often. But at 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.680 the end of the movie reviewing segment, they give up 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:50.080 a high five and they do like a light slab 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:54.040 they go like, which always makes me laugh so much 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:56.240 when someone does a bunch of tepid high fives in 1:22:56.240 --> 1:22:58.880 a row. Hadn't seen it in a while. I was laughing. 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:01.479 I can't remember if I'm gonna get you sucker came 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:04.200 out before this. I think it came out right after. 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.400 I think right after right, So this was Damon Wayans 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:11.559 debut on screen. I think. Wow. That's the other thing 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:13.639 that's so amazing is like you look at this gast 1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:17.800 and it's just like a list of black excellence from 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:22.559 like you know, Damon Wayans, Paul Mooney, Robert Townsend. Uh, 1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:27.439 Like it's it's just remarkable. Um. I just wish more 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:32.400 women had been involved, meaningful, especially because they passed Helen Martin, 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:36.719 who is like an iconic black sitcom actress, Like why 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:40.639 not give her more to do? Yeah? Yeah, no, I mean, hey, 1:23:40.680 --> 1:23:43.320 I I completely agree with you. I love I love 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:54.600 feminism and famously new T shirt design. Our merchant is 1:23:54.600 --> 1:24:00.000 getting more and more basis time passes. I love feminism, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:06.760 Sam Mike. If you guys start doing, no, your next merch, 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:10.160 your next merch is going to be like YouTube as 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:13.840 venom and hardy, like front to back, like one of 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:16.200 you was venom, one of you was hardy, and like, 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:20.120 that's that's the that's the new merch. Like Yo, beck 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:23.960 Deel listeners, if you're still listening, go on the comments, 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:28.320 Go on the go on the Bechdel cast Reddit, Get 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:35.679 Jamie and data to make venom t shirts. Done done? Fine, Fine, 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:42.320 I'll do it. Well, does the movie pass the Beck 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:47.639 dol test Um. I think I didn't think it did. 1:24:47.800 --> 1:24:50.599 I wasn't I wasn't sure. I honestly like, I wasn't 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:53.080 paying super super closettention. But it did seem like most 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:56.720 times female characters were talking to each other, it was 1:24:56.920 --> 1:25:01.320 about either Bobby or there is that thing where they 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:04.360 were at the at the audition scene where to nameless 1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:09.160 actresses were talking about um getting sexually harassed by a 1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:12.920 male director. There's a couple there's a scene where the 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:16.000 like the casting director I think is like her role. 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:19.799 She is named as Millicent. She is talking to another 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:23.360 woman who gets named as Miss Strickland, and they talk 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.760 about the role that Ms Strickland is auditioning for and 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:29.920 like the type of person they are looking for. So 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:36.160 that technically passes. And then the scene with Bobby's I 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.960 was so nervous, Wait, so it does pass. I think 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:43.160 it does because I would also I think there's an 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:46.840 argument to be made for the scene where Bobby's mom 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:50.920 and grandma they are talking about Bobby, but it's part 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:55.479 of a larger conversation about negative representations of black people 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:59.479 in media. So I was like, okay that that feels 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:02.559 like it would be maybe an exception to the rule. 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:05.519 I don't know. The bottom line, women aren't in this 1:26:05.600 --> 1:26:08.639 movie enough. There's not enough commentary on the way black 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:12.599 women are represented in media. And it's the bummer because 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:16.080 there's more than enough room for it in exact movie 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.840 and like more than enough material too end things to 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:23.559 be said about it. And with that in mind, as 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:26.240 far as our nipple scale, in which we write the 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:29.880 movie on a scale of zero to five nipples based 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:35.360 on an intersectional examination of the movie, even though it 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:40.439 is providing a lot of really funny and effective commentary 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:46.120 on the way black men specifically are represented in Hollywood, 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:51.599 as we've been saying, there is a noticeable lack of 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:56.640 commentary as it relates to Black women and their representation 1:26:56.720 --> 1:27:00.479 in media. And I think even though some of the 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:05.440 characters who are women in the movie, like especially the grandma, 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:08.439 I would say is the kind of most important character 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:11.799 to Bobby, she still doesn't get that much screen time. 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:15.240 His girlfriend doesn't get much screen time. We know nothing 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:19.360 about her. There's just there's just not enough there. And 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:24.240 there are many cases in which black men haven't shown 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:27.599 up for black women as much as they should and 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:29.720 this just kind of feels like one of those examples 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:34.000 of like, why wouldn't you when you're making a movie 1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:38.559 that is specifically like a satire and specifically commentary on 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:42.880 black representation in media, why wouldn't you include black women 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:48.320 in that more meaningfully? And then there's the homophobic jokes 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:51.679 and slurs that get made. So I don't know where 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:54.960 to land on this exactly on the nipple scale, I 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:57.600 guess I think I can only really give it like 1:27:57.640 --> 1:28:01.160 a two point five. Yeah, I was gonna go like 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:03.759 a two two point five. I agree with with everything 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:06.840 you're saying. Um, yeah, there's just there's a ton of 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:10.880 opportunities to include women and commentary on how black women 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:13.840 struggle in Hollywood. Here it wasn't done. You have like 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:19.040 such a like such such tremendously talented Black actresses in 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.160 this movie, and they don't really get to do much. 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:24.519 But I do feel like this movie does something that 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:27.400 just wasn't done at all at this time, and there 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:30.680 wasn't any money put behind, and the fact that it 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:35.120 exists through like Robert Townsend's like Cheer will Power is 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:39.080 really amazing. Yeah, and and and I was happy to 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:41.959 see that there is a female producer. But yeah, ultimately 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:45.599 it's like there's no reason women and where people shouldn't 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:49.439 have been included more meaningfully here, And uh, I wish 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:53.880 it had that said. I really enjoyed the movie. It's 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:58.040 I like I would. If you haven't seen it genuinely, 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:00.759 you should see it. It's really funny and good. Yeah. 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:03.479 But two nipples. As far as as far as our 1:29:03.479 --> 1:29:08.439 scale goes, I guess, and I will give Who will 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:10.000 I give my nipples to? I will give I will 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:12.600 give one to Helen Martin, and I'll give one to 1:29:12.640 --> 1:29:15.320 a Marie Johnson. I'll go the obvious route. I'll do 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:19.559 the same, and I'll give my extra half nipple two 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:26.320 winky dinky dogs iconic. Yeah, Sam, what about you? What 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:31.679 are your thoughts? Um? I I do agree with everything 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:36.040 you said. I think for me, it's one of those 1:29:36.040 --> 1:29:41.479 things is just like a male black comic. It's I 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.840 see I look at the film and I just see 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:48.960 what it what it's done, and to me, I feel 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:53.680 like some of his shortcomings is made up for what 1:29:53.720 --> 1:29:56.679 it has done for black creative people as a whole 1:29:56.880 --> 1:30:01.160 for thirty years. And I think that it's set a standard. 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:03.600 It's set a precedent. It's set a pathway, and I 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:07.639 think that pathway has been used greatly for men and women. 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.640 That it's still like a there's still a lot to do, 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:15.000 but I do feel like it does do that, and 1:30:15.160 --> 1:30:17.360 you know, at the same time, it's just like there's 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:21.280 not there weren't a lot of um just to get 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:26.439 to a Blackmail in seven, writing, producing, and starring in 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:31.400 his own film that is seen by countless theaters across 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:34.599 the country. That feet in and of itself, I feel 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:38.639 like is just so impressive and just and just so 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:43.600 meaningful overall that I think that it that some of 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:46.360 the stuff that I think would be if it was 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:48.679 remade today, which you know, we already talked about why 1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:52.360 it wouldn't work today, but like if it was remade today, 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:55.559 I think those things would not be in it. Right, 1:30:55.640 --> 1:31:00.160 So I look at it is like it all will 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:02.639 probably wouldn't have as meaningful of an impact as it 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:05.960 did then, And I feel like what it does there, 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:08.639 I feel like it's just like it's the only thing 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:12.160 I can see when I see the film. But I 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:15.680 I again don't I don't disagree, it's just it's just 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.599 it's just something that I I can only see its 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:23.120 progress because it's just it's the only thing like it 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:27.280 there's there still hasn't been anything quite like it besides 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:31.880 Scary Movie, which is made by the co writer of 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:35.680 the film you know. Um. So it's a feat that 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:38.000 only two black eyes have ever done in thirty years, 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.479 and one of them both of them were in the 1:31:41.560 --> 1:31:45.000 same movie, you know. So it's it's just that that's 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:47.040 that's what I see. But I also don't disagree with 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:49.960 anything you said. Uh, at the end of the day, 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:53.240 I would give it like, I would give it five nipples, 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:55.160 and I would give all of them to Anthony Hopkins. 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:09.240 The twist full disclosure, I might cut that whole human 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:11.840 staying part out of the episode. So if you want to, 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:17.120 I like it, I like I like the mystery I 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:20.040 will be based on based on what you just described, 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:23.960 I'll bump up to a two point five. I'll match 1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:26.160 Caitlin there because I hadn't. Yeah, like that the fact 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:30.240 that Hollywood Shuffle did like pave the way for black 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:34.240 female comedians, the black female you know tours like. Yeah, 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:38.320 it's very existence is the thing that I find so 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:41.360 as funny. Like to me, it's still one of the 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.639 funniest movies I've ever seen. But it's very existence even 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:49.200 exceeds how much I love it's humor. Sure, yeah, it's 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:53.280 legacy even though, and that's what kind of like I 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:56.160 wish it had. It definitely has a legacy, and it 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:58.559 definitely did a lot to pave the way and inspire 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:04.120 particularly black filmmakers and just artists of color. I wish 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:06.320 that it had a bigger legacy in terms of I 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:09.559 wish more people have seen this movie. But you can 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:12.200 see it's impact truly, like what it was. It was 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:15.200 kind of fun to watch this movie and also and 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:17.519 and be able to be like, oh, you know, I've 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:21.200 seen like a ton of TV and movies that clearly 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:23.479 are pulling from this movie. I just didn't realize it, 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:30.040 right totally. Yeah it's and yeah, it's just it's so 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:35.280 I can't stress enough how to any listener that hasn't 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:38.840 seen it, Like, how god damn funny it is? It's 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:42.679 so funny. Oh, I wonder do most of your listeners 1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:45.400 have they seen the movie? Like do they tell you 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:49.240 if they've seen the movie? Like some people only listen 1:33:49.280 --> 1:33:51.599 to the episode if they've seen the movies. Some people 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:55.120 will watch listen to the episode regardless of whether or 1:33:55.120 --> 1:33:58.120 not they've watched the movie. Yeah, because most of the 1:33:58.120 --> 1:34:00.640 movies you guys do is old. So I was I 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:04.599 was always fascinating, like yeah, because I wonder if I 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:08.200 wonder I wonder if anyone's listeners and hasn't seen it 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:10.920 and still wants to see it, like you know what 1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:14.320 I mean, Like it's always I'm always I'm fascinating like that, 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:16.200 if you guys have any of that kind of like 1:34:16.320 --> 1:34:19.120 ratio if like there's a lot of people that are like, oh, yeah, yeah, 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:20.920 I check out Lolita because I heard it on the 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:28.640 back dep hopefully not that one, but I think that, um, 1:34:28.640 --> 1:34:31.840 regardless of it, it's shortcomings that we discussed. I think 1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:34.200 this is a movie worth watching. So if you have 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.599 not seen it, you have listened to this episode all 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:40.920 the way to this point, I would recommend checking the 1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:43.360 movie out because again it's still making a lot of 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:49.200 meaningful and important, ineffective points that are still again all 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:53.280 too relevant today. So in that way, like there's some 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:56.680 things that like age poorly about this movie, the you know, 1:34:56.760 --> 1:35:00.080 the homophobia and the fat shaming and the kind of 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:03.519 ignoring women, but there's other there's many other things about 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:10.560 the ignoring, but other things about it are are still 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:16.320 sadly pretty relevant. So M yeah, um, we'll say m 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:20.519 thank you so much for joining us on this roller 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:28.400 coaster of an episode. I've had a blast me too, 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:34.799 so thanks. Here. Where can people check out your your stuff? 1:35:34.880 --> 1:35:39.080 Follow you on social media? Yeah? Um, you can follow 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:44.800 me at the sam ike on Twitter, Instagram. Um you 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.960 can also, um, if you want. I've been trying to 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.720 become like the biggest Zoom comic. So if you can 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:56.599 follow me on Zoom, I'm ww dot zoom dot com. 1:35:56.720 --> 1:36:01.679 Slash four six seven HP five to f C two 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:06.200 seven w x Y that's my Zoom link. Click on it, 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:12.439 I'll join you, get in the group, build my brand. Yeah, 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:17.400 it's gonna happen. I've got a good feeling about this, 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:20.800 and the pivot to Zoom is gonna be huge. It's 1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:23.840 gonna be big. I'm gonna be crushing it. I'm gonna 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:26.640 get like I'm already at like I'm already at like 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:33.000 three thousand Zoom followers. Y'all just people just sitting there 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:35.760 waiting for me to come on and be like, Yo, 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:41.479 here's my house, and you know what you know who 1:36:41.560 --> 1:36:45.720 also is going to hear this, Jill Loft, This is 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:49.040 about to send a zoom request. Did she listen to 1:36:49.040 --> 1:36:52.000 every episode? Yeah? She listened. She she will listen to 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:55.400 your episode. She doesn't listen. Caitlin has a more thorough 1:36:55.479 --> 1:36:58.479 mother than I do. My mom does listen to every episode. 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:05.240 Hi mom, HILARI yo. Mr Durantula, y'all shout out. 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