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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast

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Speaker 1: in which we examine movies. Wow. Okay, so to keep going, Um,

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Speaker 1: we examine movies from an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test as a jumping off point. I know what

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Speaker 1: that is, okay, Jamie, I'm going to hand it off

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Speaker 1: to you. Wow. We'd literally sound like we're like on

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Speaker 1: PBS and we're like doing a fundraiser. Um, yeah, I will,

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Speaker 1: I will gladly pick up the mantel here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. The Betel test is media metric invented by

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Speaker 1: queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test,

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Speaker 1: that requires that two for our purposes are a little

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Speaker 1: Here's ours our version of the Bechdel test requires that

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Speaker 1: for two lines of dialogue. That's our little take on it. Wow. Wow,

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Speaker 1: most movies don't do it a lot simply don't, or

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Speaker 1: or this increasing trend that drives me, you know, just

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Speaker 1: do pass the Bechdel test, but they still hate women.

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Speaker 1: Like now, it's like the whole thing where every director.

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test at this point, except for Sofia coppola um,

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Speaker 1: which is weird because her movies usually pass, but like

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is, make sure their movie passes it,

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Speaker 1: it was Diane Lane, But before I I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Lane live on the show My Mom Loves Under the

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Speaker 1: Tuscan Son. You've got to be careful. Oh my gosh, Wow,

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Speaker 1: under the Tuscan. I really can't think of someone more

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Speaker 1: so it's not? Okay, I'm right, Okay, here's what it is,

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Speaker 1: Diane Lane. She accidentally called the Bechtel test the rectal test.

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Speaker 1: This happened a couple of years ago. She was talking

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Speaker 1: Sometimes boomers really show up for you in a way

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Speaker 1: that you didn't expect. Oh, Diane, you know an effort

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Speaker 1: a quick quick commercial break. I always want to always

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Speaker 1: want to say that, Well I'll cut, I'll splice that

424
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: audio the next time we haven't No I'm doing it,

425
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: won't it won it won't feel organic, it will we

426
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: won't feel right. Okay, Well we'll figure we'll figure out

427
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: a way to make this work. I just want to

428
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: earn it. I want to I want to have that

429
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: ability to just be like in the middle of this podcast,

430
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, I think that's a good time for

431
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: a break. Well, we'll leave this up to you, Sam,

432
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: So you better not screw it up. Oh man, I'm

433
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna forget so quickly. It's gonna be like that four

434
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: or five thing again. Okay, Well, now that we are

435
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: back thanks to Sam taking the lead. Um So, I

436
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: mean this movie is just like it's one big string

437
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: of commentary on the way black people are represented in Hollywood.

438
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Like that's very clearly the agenda of this movie, and

439
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: that is very clearly what's coming across. So yeah, I

440
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of just made a list of the different things

441
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: that we get commentary on. Um So, basically, you guys

442
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: bought like Google sheets and ship this is I'm telling you, Sam,

443
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: we write things down simply you guys got mad notes,

444
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: you bought mad notes. This is y'all real for real.

445
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: This is like no lie, this is like wow. Well yet,

446
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: so there's effective commentary on, obviously, the roles that tend

447
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: to be only available to black actors, such an especially

448
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: so this movie came out, this is more true then

449
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: than it is now. But a lot of these things

450
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: that get commented on are still current problems in Hollywood

451
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: thirty years later. So the rules that tend to only

452
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: be available for black actors, such as playing slaves, pimps,

453
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: gang leaders, drug dealers, any kind of criminal really, and

454
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: just commentary on how damaging that is too black people.

455
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: There's commentary on the expectation of white filmmakers for black

456
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: actors to like act more black quote unquote, or to

457
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: mimic an existing bankable movie star who was black, rather

458
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: than like, let black act there's just like be themselves

459
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: or like figure out their own brand. And there's all

460
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: that mentioned of Eddie Murphy, of course, and how like

461
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: they just reference black actors who have already tested well

462
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: with white audiences and they don't want to stray outside

463
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: of the black actors that they know test well with

464
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: white audiences, and then as far as like, when black

465
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: women are auditioning for these parts, it's like they're always

466
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: about to be murdered or assaulted, Like there's not even

467
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: there's it's it's even worse. There's commentary on light skinned

468
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: black actors. We see two light skinned black guys at

469
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: this audition at the beginning of the movie. One of

470
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: them is saying, how like white casting directors were telling

471
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: him that he wasn't black enough for the part. The

472
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: other one is saying, how like they weren't sure if

473
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Speaker 1: he was black or not, And then he says, how

474
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: he uses sunten lotion now and I wasn't. Was the

475
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: implication that he was like intentionally trying to keep himself

476
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: as light as possible so that he could pass as

477
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: white and then therefore get more roles. Was that what

478
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: was happening there? I think the I think he was

479
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: trying to say he was trying to come off as

480
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: like like dark skinn Italian or something like that. Yeah,

481
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I got it. I think that's what it was said.

482
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't fucking bring notes talk like

483
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: where are you like? Yo? I I did not bring

484
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: notes and I feel bad. Don't worry. Oh, my god, no,

485
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: I liked. I mean it was the colorism came up

486
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: a bunch throughout this movie. It comes up in the

487
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: in the Black Acting school sketch as well, Like it

488
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: comes up all the time. And we we were, I

489
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: don't know, we were just talking about colorism in our

490
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Selena up said a couple of weeks ago. And this

491
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: is a movie that literally lays out all of those

492
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: talking points in the funniest way possible. It also overlaps

493
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: with like how Latin X actors are stereotyped because they

494
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: like end up casting I think in Jimmy's Revenge they

495
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: end up casting light skinned black actors to play Latin

496
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: X roles and like it just becomes a just a

497
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: big racist mess, like it's and it's all like laid

498
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: out for you in I don't know. I had to

499
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: like rewind a couple of times because I was like

500
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: laughing because it's funny, and then I was like, wait

501
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: a second, they just said something really really important, and

502
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: then I had to like do a do an intellectual

503
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: watch after after Yeah, it's the kind of thing of

504
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: it's just like any minority would do, you know. And

505
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: that was and that's like that's something that it's still

506
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't change at all really in the nineties. You know,

507
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: it was um in Black Acting school like one of

508
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: the things that always like strikes me one of the

509
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: things that's like always so funny with the black acting schools,

510
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: just like when they have the white actors show the

511
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: black actors like how to walk and stuff. Oh yeah,

512
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's just it's just my it's it's one

513
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: of those things that it's like I'm watching this movie

514
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: and I think about like what it is now thirty

515
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: years later, and it's like that's like the equivalent of

516
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: like when white people are like, oh yeah, you talk

517
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: white like, you know, Like it's that same kind of

518
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: it's that same kind of thing. Yeah, And like you

519
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: see Bobby like in a bunch of different scenes having

520
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: to code switch from just like the way he normally

521
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: talks to the way the white filmmakers want him to

522
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: talk when he's like acting in the audition or like

523
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: on set, because they want him to be more of

524
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: what they think a black person is and how they

525
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: think a black person talks. And there's a been a

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00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: line in the end credit song where one of the

527
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: white filmmakers says that he learned about black people from TV,

528
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: and he's sort of using that as like his defense

529
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: and his excuse. But those racist portrayals influenced his racist portrayals,

530
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: so you know, you just get this like never ending

531
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: cycle of negative representation in media because rich white people

532
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: are making all of the decisions. Oh and and just

533
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: the idea of Jimmy himself, like the character of Jimmy,

534
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: like this this podcast is mostly gonna be about Jimmy's revenge.

535
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: We should just title this Jimmy. Uh. But like Jimmy's Revenge.

536
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like he he brings to it in the audition

537
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: such a ridiculous like stereotype because he knows that's what

538
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: would appease them, because like Jimmy in and of itself,

539
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: if you just like me, it's like, oh, yeah, this

540
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: could have been like a tough guy, but they like

541
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: purposely want this like foolish, you know, buffoon, And it's like, yeah,

542
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a part that's like always got to me, definitely.

543
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: And there's commentary in this movie as well on black

544
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: actors resenting these like racist stereotypical roles that they are

545
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: presented with and not wanting to play them, but having

546
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: to do it anyway because they need work, they need

547
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: to be able to support themselves, and those are the

548
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: only roles available to them, so they can't turn them down,

549
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: even though they're so regressive and reductive. Like that actor

550
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: who was like who keeps going to Bobby and being like,

551
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I can't believe that someone would do this part, and

552
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm going and then he takes it

553
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: because right, yeah, And I like, doesn't he it's him

554
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: who comes back at the end, right, and he goes

555
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: that he's just like clearly resentful that Bobby has gotten

556
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the part, but trying to like high grounded, he's like, yeah,

557
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have taken on such

558
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: an offensive role, but you know, but he's there in

559
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: the same movie doing a smaller role, which which to

560
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: me is like the equivalent of like people like commenting

561
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: on a tweet, you know what I mean. It's like, Oh,

562
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: I have this moral superiority, but yet I'm going to

563
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: engage in like the same behavior, you know, like, yeah,

564
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: it's real blue check behavior. He's just playing there. Yeah.

565
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I think that the way that this movie kind of

566
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: lays out just the predicament that Bobby and all of

567
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: these black actors are in is like even with how

568
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: they're received by the black community, Like it's like you

569
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: just can't win because it's like, Okay, if you want

570
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: to be an actor, there are only these offensive roles available.

571
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: So the option is to either quit what you're passionate

572
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: about or play the game. And then now like your

573
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: grandma doesn't respect you and like that like that is

574
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: so I don't know, like I've never seen that laid

575
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: out so well, yeah, I I completely agree, but I

576
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: think you're also forgetting about the third option, which is

577
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: to be the best actor in a post office commercial.

578
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: And that's always like the third option is you can

579
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: be flow the progressive lady of the US Postal Service,

580
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: and if you could, if you could get that, I mean,

581
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: it's kind of the best of both worlds. So like,

582
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: let's always remember the third option. It's always on the table. Yes,

583
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: that is that is the hero's journey here. I like

584
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: to think that's the only commercial you ever does too,

585
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: and it just makes bank, you know what I mean.

586
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's like the residuals had to have been

587
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: sweet on that and it was timeless. It wasn't a

588
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: dated looking commercial. Anytime I hear about people being in commercials,

589
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy ship, Like it's ridiculous money. I hope

590
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: that he bought a house with his postal service commercial. Yeah,

591
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: because you know how federally funded the United States Post

592
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Office is just paying millions of dollars to advertise all

593
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: the time. Hey sent any mail lately. I love it.

594
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: People need stamps and they don't know where to go.

595
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: This is a this is a great time for that.

596
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: If you're looking for stamps in your town hall, but

597
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: you don't know where to go in the middle of

598
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: your place of business, you can always go to the

599
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: post office. Well, Sam a ringing endorsement of the United

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: States post you can cut that. You're gonna cut. No,

601
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm keeping you. I'm cutting it. Also, the post Office

602
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: is having a bit of a moment right now, so

603
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: people about the post Office. I've seen people in post

604
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: office crop tops. I'm like, what is going on? I

605
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: bought so much post office merch pre election. It was,

606
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: but I want to talk about I think like the

607
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: real third option here, which is to do what Robert

608
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Townsend did, which is he like wrote this movie, co

609
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: wrote this movie, directed it, produced it, funded it himself.

610
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: It only had a one dollar budget. The movie made

611
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: five million at the box office, which you know isn't

612
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but comparatively for the small budget

613
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: it was on, it was like considered a big success,

614
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: and then he got an amazing career out of it.

615
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: He was like directing Eddie Murphy Specials by the end

616
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: of that calendar year. Like that's so, it's yeah, and

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00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to I found an article Vanity Fair. Yes.

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Speaker 1: I love when we find the same both finding the

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Speaker 1: one article that, yeah, your note You guys take so

620
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: many notes that your notes come together, like that's your

621
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: notes a symbiotic. It's like venom and Tom Hardy. Wow.

622
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: I was not expecting you to use that reference me either.

623
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: You think you think you think I came in were

624
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: with notes? Non man, I'm I'm straight up improvn And

625
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: that's the best I could come up with a venom reference. Incredible.

626
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: I did not pre plan of a venom reference. That's

627
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: the new Like that's like the new Yin and Yang.

628
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: It's just oh, we have fun. But yeah, that that

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00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair pieces great. Yes, says I wanted to read

630
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: a little bit from it, just to give a little

631
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: bit of background on Robert Townsend and sort of like

632
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: how this movie came together. So the article is entitled

633
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: thirty years later, the searing critiques of Hollywood Shuffle still sting.

634
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: H quote Townsend was in experience. He didn't go to

635
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Speaker 1: film school and hadn't directed a short film, so he

636
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Speaker 1: had not directed Um Jimmy's Revenge before UM, but he's

637
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: still snuck it in there. It's like, mank uh. He

638
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: didn't go to film school and hadn't directed a short film,

639
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: but determined to tell a story about being marginalized by

640
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: the industry. In four he had a small role in

641
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the Oscar nominated a Soldiers Story. I told my agent,

642
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: I want to do more movies like this, Townsend tells

643
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair. My agent was like, Robert, they only do

644
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: one black movie a year. You just did it. Be happy.

645
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: But Townsend wasn't happy. So he talked to a friend, Waynes,

646
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: whom he met at the Improv in New York. I

647
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: thought my dream of being an artist was dying because

648
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: at the time the only roles Keenan and I were

649
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: auditioning for were slaves and pimps and stereotypes of basketball

650
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: players who couldn't read towns and said it was all

651
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: the negative stuff. And then Keenan and I started talking,

652
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, we should do a movie about

653
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: our lives. That's how it started. And then they wrote

654
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: the script together without any studio backing, though Townsend was

655
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: faced with financing the film on his own. Uh he says, quote,

656
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: the idea of somebody writing, directing, and producing and starring

657
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: in a movie, especially a person of color, wasn't heard of.

658
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: Everybody said the bar was so high you couldn't get

659
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: in if you didn't have millions and millions of dollars.

660
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: And then he eventually raised a hundred thousand dollars to

661
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: make Shuffle, using money he earned from acting gigs as

662
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: well as credit cards and quote, so the rest is hi, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love this story of how this movie was made.

664
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: And then it actually, I mean it's it is kind

665
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: of like that thing that we talked about on the

666
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: show pretty frequently, is Hollywood refusing to make a movie

667
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: that audiences clearly want to see because once it is made,

668
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: like against all odds, it does super well, and like

669
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: this made back its budget fifty times, like it launched

670
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: the career of a few different people, and like it

671
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: it's always so frustrating, like when you're like why why

672
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just make a movie with a black autour,

673
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Like why why? And it's that like van Go thing

674
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: of like, you know, Townsend never really got the credit

675
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: for this movie, and yet it's like it's such a

676
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: cornerstone of like so much that comes after it, you know,

677
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's it's really amazing thinking of like

678
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: how much stuff has been made and it's like, oh,

679
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: this is this seems like a thing from Hollywood Shuffle,

680
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and how many careers were made from it. Yeah, it's

681
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: it's really like amazing. Then when you look at Townsend's

682
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: career after this movie, it's like he for the most part,

683
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: doesn't make he doesn't make a movie like anything that

684
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: he actually lampooned in Hollywood Shuffle. And that's one of

685
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: the most amazing things about his career is like he

686
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuck to for better for worse. He's stuck

687
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: to the Hollywood Shuffle like he you know, he makes

688
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: like a bio film, he makes a family sitcom, a

689
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: black superhero movie. You know. It's it's like it's kind

690
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: of like it's kind of remarkable that he actually like

691
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: still stuck to those principles. I guess, yeah, he's a

692
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: man of integrity. I love. I'm like, oh, he's great. Uh.

693
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: And then and and I guess just going off as

694
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Speaker 1: as amazing as it is that he was able to

695
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: make this movie the way he was, it is like

696
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: it's both inspiring and kind of like it's because we've

697
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: heard this story of like marginalized filmmakers having to like

698
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: jump through all sorts of hoops financially and production wise

699
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: in order to get their first movie made. And then

700
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: you hear other stories of like Wes Anderson was just

701
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: handed ten million dollars. I couldn't even write on paper,

702
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: and they said this boy, I like, I like the

703
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: cut of his jib, and he seems like he'll come up,

704
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: he'll come up with something. And meanwhile there's like these

705
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like whatever, that's no shade os Anderson.

706
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: He figured it out eventually, but like, you know, it

707
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: just just the disparity and like who is handed money

708
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: even though they're not even qualified and like amazing artists

709
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: with like a really clear perspective, like Robert Townsend and

710
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking of like Jeff Barnaby, like his story

711
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: of making rhymes for young girls or a woman walks

712
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: home alone at night. I got the title wrong, but

713
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: like all of these like really amazing movies with the

714
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: are just different, like the the climb to get it

715
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: released and like made the way the director wants is

716
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: so steep, and meanwhile we're just handing west Understand a

717
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: blank check and being like you'll figure it out, twenty

718
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: two year old, like good luck. It's infuriating. There's even

719
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: some commentary similar to that in Hollywood Shuffle where there's

720
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: a scene where towards the end, Bobby is like observing

721
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: white actors in the studio that he's in. Basically it's

722
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, white actors are given the freedom to

723
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: take on roles that aren't these racist stereotypes obviously, like

724
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: they can audition for a wider scope of parts. And

725
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: because you see him watching like two white actors rehearse

726
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: the scene where they're like professing their love for each other,

727
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: and then he sees another white action star who's like

728
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: making demands of the script, and then like the white

729
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: producers are like acquiescing to his demands for the most part.

730
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: So hey, I was just thinking, Man, I would love

731
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: to see Wes Anderson direct a remake of Hollywood Shuffle.

732
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: That would be so amazing. All the parts would be

733
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: played by Ralph Fines and fucking perfectly symmetrical. Reimagine everyone's

734
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: the same movie and it was all black actors, but

735
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: they were all wearing both ties, like same cast, and

736
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: then there's just like so much headroom above every the

737
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: actors and every shot. Oh my god, I like, I

738
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: know that Wes Anderson is a competent filmmaker. I just

739
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: get exhausted even thinking about watching one of his movies.

740
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: It's just there's just too much. It's too much. I

741
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: like Moonrise Kingdom a lot. I like that one. I

742
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: still seen that. I like that one a lot. I

743
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't see the I didn't see the dog one. Oh

744
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: I love dogs. I did not like I love dogs

745
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: really at all, like that one. I think it's funny

746
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: that it's called I Love Dogs. It took me forever

747
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: to figure out that it's just called I Love Dogs.

748
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: Oh me too, I didn't know Marley and Me was

749
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: was about a dog. Oh yeah, isn't that dog dog dies?

750
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: I thought spoilers Marley. I thought it was like a

751
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: Julia and Julia thing with Bob Marley, Like, wow, Sam,

752
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: you have to write that script just a Adam, just

753
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: just being like, I love Weed. The exact same set

754
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: up is Julian exact same movie. Hey Sam, this would

755
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: be a really interesting time to take an ad break,

756
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: just in case. Hey guys, you know what, this conversation

757
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: is great, but you know it's even better what ads

758
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: we should take. We're gonna take a quick commercial break

759
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: and movie right back, folks. Incredible, it is this going? Okay,

760
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm having an absolute ball. I just feel

761
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: like I just I just feel like your listeners are

762
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like, what the what the hell? They let

763
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: the guy do the ads now? Only only for you.

764
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: We we make the exception for you and you alone, Sam.

765
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: Only only friends can tossed a brick. Also, well, I'm

766
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: surprised we have not brought this up yet, but the

767
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: episode that we did with you a few years ago

768
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: now was a live episode that we recorded in Boston,

769
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 1: And because it was in Boston, Jamie's mom was there,

770
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: and Jamie's mom that fateful meeting. For anyone who remembers

771
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: this on the Men in Black episode was aggressively hitting

772
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: on Sam during the show loudly. It was sparks were

773
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: flying in the middle of our podcast. Also the room

774
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: that that was like the the smaller theater at Improv Boston.

775
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: Like you can't overstate how physically close the audience is

776
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: to you. Like so my mom could have just reached

777
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: out and like held your hands. Yes, yes, it should

778
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: have happened, honestly, I mean it's still can't It's still

779
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: what's stopping you. It's never too late, honestly, no doubt.

780
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: Like I added your mom on Facebook, immediately act and

781
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: show it's still it's not It's not too late. My mom,

782
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: just bring over a Diane Lane DVD. Is Yeah, I

783
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: got that. I got that Diane Lane DVD. Uh Candle

784
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: what oh was it an Taylor and Aunt Taylor Candle.

785
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to bring. Yeah, she'll she will

786
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 1: be disarmed, she won't know what She'll be like, I've

787
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: only ever seen this in a Diane Lane movie before.

788
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's happening. I mean, honestly, for me,

789
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: all I mean, you know, like you know, all joking aside.

790
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: I just I really think your Mom's like just just

791
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: just a great just a great woman. And you know,

792
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing how she just raised such a

793
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: loving and caring family. And uh, you know, and if

794
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: she's listening, like you know, my damn's are open, Jill,

795
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: you hear that, Jill, M this man, don't blow this.

796
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm very attached to the idea of Sam becoming my dad,

797
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: so it would be huge for me. So am I?

798
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: So am I. Well, here's okay, here's where I would

799
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: like to get into some of the more criticism of

800
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: this movie, because while there is a lot of very

801
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: effective commentary in the movie, there are some parts that, um,

802
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: just the movie kind of fails to touch on. Uh,

803
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: And I'm talking mostly about how black women are largely

804
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: left out of this commentary. Yeah, black women are not

805
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: entirely absent, because there are different moments where some of

806
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: the black actors who are women are talking about how

807
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: they are usually only cast in like sex worker roles

808
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: or or just straight up murder victim roles. Right, Yeah,

809
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: it's like that. Yeah. One of the things that stuck

810
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: out to me was like, I feel like we're led

811
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: to believe that women are more involved in this movie

812
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: than they are. Like the marketing of this movie. Um

813
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: Anne Marie Johnson who plays uh Bobby's girlfriend Lydia, like

814
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: she's on the poster and then you're like, oh, so

815
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: this is like she's going to be involved, but she's

816
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of she we don't. I mean, I couldn't tell

817
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: you a thing about this character that isn't She's Bobby's girlfriend.

818
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: There's friend, here's girlfriend, which sucks because it's like the

819
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: performances really know there's I didn't mean to cut you

820
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: off with that. That's like Ron Berman. No, that was

821
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: me quoting ourselves on this very podcast for a long

822
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: running joke, which you'd know if you'd ever listen, sam Well,

823
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I I listened. I listened every episode. I get ten

824
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: mints in. I'm like, no Ron Perlman reference. I do

825
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: that with every single podcast. That's why that's why I

826
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: didn't get in into Cereal. I'm getting really into the

827
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: Ron Perlman Beauty and the Beast series. We talked about

828
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: it on the past episode, but I just kind of

829
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: kept watching it. But yeah, like Emery Johnson, who like

830
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: goes on to have like a pretty great career, she

831
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: was like on in Living Color, that's where I realized

832
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: that I recognized her from in the middle of watching

833
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: this movie. Um, but it's there's so many opportunities for

834
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Lydia in this movie that I feel like you're all

835
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of dropped in and we mostly see her in

836
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: like either she's being supportive towards Bobby, which is great,

837
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: but like that's kind of it. Or you see her

838
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: in like a fantasy that Bobby is having about her,

839
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: not fantasy, like a nightmare sequence where she all of

840
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: a sudden isn't supportive of him. But that is really

841
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: the only two modes we see her, and it's like

842
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: supporting my boyfriend or not supporting my boyfriend. You know

843
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: where she works. That's it. That's it. And I mean,

844
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: not only could we just have seen more of her,

845
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: there was just there's just so much room for commentary

846
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: on the way black women are represented in Hollywood, and

847
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: they're just really isn't much in the way of that

848
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: commentary at all. There's another moment where in the audition

849
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: scene towards the beginning of the movie, there are two

850
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: women who were talking to each other about one of

851
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: them had been invited over to a movie director's house

852
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: at midnight, and instead of there being any kind of

853
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: commentary on how women and particularly women of color are

854
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: exploited by powerful people in the entertainment industry, instead of that,

855
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: a joke has made about how the woman was like,

856
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: of course I went to his house and I was

857
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: one minute early. T he so just like there were

858
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: opportunities feminists, all right. I was rewatching this movie this

859
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: morning and I was like, Yo, that's gonna be a

860
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Bechdel cast. Note. I was like, yeah, they're going to

861
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: mention down the Beachdel cast. Were you right? It's true

862
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: that because it's like there was like a moment in

863
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: the movie where like Robert Townsend is beyond qualified to

864
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: be making all of these like he's making a ton

865
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: of amazing points in the same scene. And then yeah,

866
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: it's like they're kind of a misogynist joke that like

867
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: implies that like, oh, you know, these actors, you know

868
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: they get it, they don't they don't mind having to

869
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: like have sex with these nasty directors in order to

870
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: get work. And that was and then the only other

871
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: woman you see preparing and that sequence is flailing around

872
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: because she's going to be a murder victim. Um so yeah,

873
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: just most of the meaningful commentary in this movie about

874
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: black representation in Hollywood is about black men specifically, and

875
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: again in this movie, black women are largely left out

876
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: of the conversation, which is because they are like, as

877
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: we were kind of talking about, it's like the struggles

878
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: that black women face in the industry are compounded with

879
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: misogyny on top of everything. So there's yeah, I was,

880
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: and I think like another thing that makes it always

881
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: like so tough, as like in in this film, there's

882
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: also this like idea in the in this time period

883
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: where a black woman's like the best thing she could

884
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: be was a great mom or a great grandma, you know,

885
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of those movies and in those films,

886
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: and it's like and that was like, that's like one

887
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: of those things was like, it was like the importance

888
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: of black motherhood is shown, like is very important in

889
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: a lot of things that that Robert Townsen does, and

890
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: it's and it's also seen in this movie. But it

891
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 1: was the it's the fact that there's nothing beyond that,

892
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, which is always like, which is the disappointing factor. Definitely,

893
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I almost wish I was I wish that his girlfriend

894
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 1: was like also an actor or something like, she could

895
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 1: have been like included in the story that way where

896
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, here's a person we already know played

897
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: by an amazing comic actress. And and then like you know,

898
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: ask literally and Marie Johnson. When you're writing this movie Getty,

899
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: it's always that thing of just like, oh, if you

900
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: don't you know, fully know what are the specific struggles

901
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: that black female actors face, just ask your friend, Like,

902
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: she's right there for it. She's literally right there, she's

903
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: on she's hanging out on the poster of your movie. Um,

904
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a great like if if she had

905
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: also been like a struggling actor auditioning four roles that

906
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: were largely racist stereotypes, like that could have opened up

907
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: all those opportunities for much needed commentary on that very topic.

908
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: But it would have just like made their relationship a

909
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: little more interesting too, because all we know is like

910
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: they're dating, they love they love each other, which is

911
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: like great, but like they would be cool if they

912
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: had like that, like they bonded over this like shared

913
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: frustration and struggle as well. Yeah, I just wish that

914
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: there was more of Emory Johnson in this movie. Because

915
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: in the middle I was like, wait a second, she's

916
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: like super fucking talented. I wish she was more. I did,

917
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: like I guess that, yeah, the mother figures the mother,

918
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: and then particularly the grandmother who what what show is

919
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: she on? She's on Good Times another show I watched.

920
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Niked Knight as a child then.

921
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: But I liked that Bobby's grandmother was kind of like

922
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: she kind of ended up being the only person who,

923
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, saw what was going on and said it,

924
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of cool. I just wish

925
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: that there was like more, I don't know, more more

926
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: of her. Yeah. In fact, for the first like fifty

927
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: or so minutes of the movie, I was like, oh,

928
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going to meet the grandmother and

929
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: then she's never gonna come back into the story. But

930
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: then she does, and she plays a pretty significant role

931
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: in sort of inspiring Bobby to like walk off this

932
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: set and quit this movie, because in this world, you

933
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: bring your entire family to shoot a movie with you.

934
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: That was the other thing. I was like, Wow, he

935
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: just brought literally everyone he knows to the same including

936
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: his child brother, and they would film in the whole movie.

937
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: In that one day, it's like a guy, damn play

938
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: the heart. Do you think of it? About it? The

939
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: lass Jimmy's Revenge makes sense? But yeah, so I like

940
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: that the grandmother character becomes important and a lot of

941
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: what she says is like, again, part of this important

942
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: commentary that's happening in the movie. And then there's even

943
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: like a nice conversation between her and Bobby's mom where

944
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: she's saying, like, I don't want a grandson of mine

945
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: to be adding to all this negative imagery of black

946
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: people in media, and his mom is like, yes, everything

947
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: you're saying is right, but also it's work, like he

948
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: need needs to work and if this is has chosen

949
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: line of work, like he's got to do what's available

950
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: to him. And so there's like that, you know, the

951
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: push and pull of do I take a horribly racist

952
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: role or do I, you know, like by by my principles,

953
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: which means never getting work and never making money. So

954
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: it's like this whole the just a tug of war

955
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of thing with your own conscience. But um yeah,

956
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: like we said, there's we get introduced to the grandmother

957
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, and then she's pretty much absent

958
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: from the story until the last like twenty minutes or so, right,

959
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: And I liked I mean, I liked that conversation that

960
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: his mother and grandmother we're having, Like that is I

961
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: feel like that's like that conversation they're having is at

962
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: the core of the movie, and like clearly he like

963
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: really values their respect and like doesn't want to disappoint them,

964
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: and they're kind of at the core of like the

965
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of like the back in for it that he's

966
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: experiencing of like does he take this role or not?

967
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, but they're just barely there. I don't know, Yeah, yeah,

968
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is one of those things

969
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, I I wish there was definitely more

970
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: in that because that that central theme of the movie

971
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: comes down to two black women talking and it's like

972
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: I wish there was more of a lead up to it. Yeah, Yeah,

973
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: that that was like that, and then the the unchecked

974
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: homophobia that came up at a few points in this

975
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: movie were certainly very Yeah, but yeah, I don't know,

976
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: it's that was I mean, how the how the female

977
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: characters are kind of sidelined was like really the main

978
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: thing that bummed me out about this movie, because otherwise

979
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: it's like saying so much that no movie ever does

980
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: and saying it that is so like still unfortunately like

981
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: super relevant. Yeah, and it's like, you know, black black

982
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: women deserve to be a part of that conversation. And

983
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: there's just as much, if not you know, even more

984
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: like comedic stuff to draw on, but it's just not

985
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: what this movie is doing. Yeah, I guess that like

986
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: the most the one of the biggest bummers of it

987
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: is like that's the that's the most that a lot

988
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: of the black actress, the three black actress in this

989
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: movie got to do other than the stereotypes in the

990
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: movie like that year Like that's also like just such

991
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: a such such a stark thing. Is like they don't

992
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: really do a whole lot in necessarily this movie. But

993
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: it's and it's still not it's at least not the

994
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: thing that they're lamp wounding in it. And it's like

995
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: still like such a mind warp of just like awfulness. Yeah, wait,

996
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm this is I'm looking at Amory Johnson's IMDb and

997
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm realizing I've seen her in so much stuff, including

998
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: she was an iconic role on That's so raven. She

999
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: played Donna Cabana on That's So Raven all my thoughts

1000
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: So Raven heads, you'll know who I'm talking about. Wow. Huge,

1001
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: she was in Boomerang. I remember that. Oh yeah, Wow,

1002
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: that makes me so happy. I'm googling Donna Cabana because

1003
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: she had the best outfits. Anyways, Um, shout out to

1004
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Donna Cabana. Um, it's saying it over and over. It

1005
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: gets I wish I knew what that was she save.

1006
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: I also did not watch She's wait. I want to

1007
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: make sure I'm getting her character description right. I'm pretty

1008
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: sure she Yeah, she's like a famous fashion designer in

1009
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: the world of That's So Raven. She's like Raven's hero.

1010
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: She looks up to Donna Cabana and she wants to

1011
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: be just like Donna Cabana. And then she meets Donna

1012
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: Cabana and guess what. Donna Cabana is a bit of

1013
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: a wacky character my Disney channel. Um, so you know

1014
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: it's written. Uh, it's co written with Keenan, Ivory Waynes

1015
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: and Robert Townsend. Directed by Robert Townsend. It's produced by

1016
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: Robert Townsend. And there is a woman in the mix here. Um,

1017
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: there is a female Latin X producer named Lydia Nicole

1018
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: who has gone by Lydia Fernandez at different times in

1019
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: her career. But I did not like I once I

1020
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: saw pictures of her. She was in a bunch of

1021
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: she's like a child actor who kind of became a producer.

1022
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: And now UM is in charge of a nonprofit called

1023
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: Common Sense Media and like advocates for representation in media.

1024
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: But this was like her first producing gig. She was

1025
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: previously in another movie we talked about recently, Stand and Deliver,

1026
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: the classic. I think she was one of the students

1027
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: in Stand and Deliver. I'm not I'm not exactly sure,

1028
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: but and she kind of pivoted into UM producing and

1029
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: backing projects that she believed in. She started doing stand

1030
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: up in her late twenties and like started all these

1031
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: like women of color comedy showcases in l A and like,

1032
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just got rules. I enjoyed learning

1033
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: about her and she she started UM. After that, she

1034
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: she collaborated with Robert Townsend. I think a few more times.

1035
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: She's like a producer on a bunch of his projects

1036
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: and UM and their buds. So I just wanted to

1037
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: give her her a shout out, because it's always I mean,

1038
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 1: especially in the late eighties, there's like barely any women

1039
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: high up in any Hollywood project, and so I'm glad

1040
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: that she she like had a seat at the table there. Yeah,

1041
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Shout out Lydia, shout out. I wonder if

1042
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: the character in this movie Lydia was named after her?

1043
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: I wow, makes I did not. I did all that

1044
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: research and did not make that connect. Yeah, yeah, see that.

1045
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: See that. That's that symbiotic relationship. You guys, your notes

1046
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: fit into each other's notes. We need each other to

1047
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: connect the dots. Sometimes, yeah, you're mad mad Venom vibes here.

1048
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes I listened to the themes that Eminem theme song

1049
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: from Venom when I just need a good laugh because

1050
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: it's so funny. WHOA, I didn't know that was a thing.

1051
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's just like him who knows what

1052
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: he's thinking for must but then he goes just Venom,

1053
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: but like just he just screams Venom, and you're just like,

1054
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: this is such a disaster. It's it's the funniest song

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: in the world. I forgot all about that song. And yeah,

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: the best part of Venom laid in the movie. Yeah,

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: as if that movie could couldn't get any more like

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: bash you over the head with when it's about Eminem

1059
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: starts screaming Venom in the middle like it is wild.

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: That's great. That's also the most San Francisco movie. That's

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: like that year. It's like that movie and Last black

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01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: Man in San Francisco were like I was like, wow

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01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: that it was like that was part of the San

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: Francisco come up. San Francisco representation at an all time high.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: You had Sorry to Bother You, Last black Man, San Francisco,

1066
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: and Venom like they all came out like within a year.

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, mad, San Francisco movies all very similar. Wow.

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: I was just gonna do a quick shout out. I mean,

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't really have like much to note in terms

1070
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: of his character, but always love to see John Witherspoon.

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, John Willispoon so good the he's his boss

1072
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: at the hot dog stand, Dinky Dog. I was curious.

1073
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: I was like when I saw that, I'm like, I

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01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: wonder how like because they're like uniform in the aesthetic

1075
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 1: is similar to Good Burger, and I'm like, I wonder

1076
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: if Good Burger is pulling from the Hollywood Shuffle asthetic.

1077
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: It's the it's the expanding universe. Yeah, Jamie, I think

1078
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: it's crucial that we cover Good Burger on the Bendel Cast. Absolutely.

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: In my in my notes, I wrote, like, am I

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: reaching dog looks? I don't think so. I Good Burger

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: was my favorite movie. I don't know what year it

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: came out, but whatever year it came out, that was

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: my favorite movie of that year. Yeah. Well that I

1084
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, Titanic was my favorite if

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: it is ninety seven, obviously Titanic is my favorite movie

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: of ninety seven. I would love to see, like you,

1087
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: at like ten years old, what your top Tenny, You're

1088
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: like like, You're like, yo, it's it's Titanic, it's good Burger,

1089
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: Good Burger. And I found as good as he gets.

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: I found it tart a bit derivative for me. Yeah,

1091
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: that was the word. I was saying that tarts a flavor, right,

1092
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: I think movies can be tarted. I haven't revisited Good

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01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: Burger in so long. Oh my god, I got my

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: little Good Burger. Antenna went up because they have the

1095
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: same like hats. I'm like, maybe that's just what hats

1096
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: looked like at fast food restaurants in the eighties and nineties.

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think don't remember. Even so, even so,

1098
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 1: good Burger is important for us to talk about. Speaking

1099
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: of Winky Dinky Dogs, another thing that I didn't love

1100
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: to see, obviously was Bobby constantly fat shames one of

1101
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: his co workers at Winky Dinky Dogs and another just

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: like of the time, still a problem him in Hollywood.

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: Not good. Another thing I wanted to Sam, you brought

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: this up, but I wanted to just say a little

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: bit more about it as far as another piece of

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: commentary that the movie does in terms of um black

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: actors with really impressive credentials being forced into again just

1108
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: the reductive roles that are available to them. Because there's

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01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: that scene where like that guy's like, I just I

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: got my degree at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art,

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01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: and then he goes on to try to audition for

1112
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: this role. He doesn't do a good job, and then

1113
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: he's like, wait a minute, I can do it in

1114
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: I ambic pentameter u. Yeah. Yeah. I always I always

1115
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: think of as a class thing, Like I always think

1116
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: of him as like this this like up pitty like

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: Ivy League guy, and he's like, oh no, you can't

1118
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: even you can't. You know you you were so removed

1119
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: from from what's like really going on to be able

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Speaker 1: to do it, and and then to have the audacity

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01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: to be like, oh yeah, I can do it. It's

1122
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: like my favorite thing I was. It's very it's so funny.

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01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: I was reading it as how so many black actors

1124
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: will have like or just like performance artists in general,

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: they'll have gone to like Juilliard or like, you know,

1126
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: some really well regarded school. They'll have an impressive educational background.

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: They'll have had to put in so much more work

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01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: than their white peers, but you know, have access to

1129
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: way fewer opportunities to showcase their hard work and their talent,

1130
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: which seems very pulled from like Robert Townson's own life too,

1131
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: because he's like extremely well trained. He like went through

1132
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: all every second city course on the planet. He was

1133
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: like a part of a theater company in New York.

1134
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: Like he like put in the hours and like, yeah,

1135
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: those scenes especially, I feel like the movie is like

1136
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: at its strongest when he's like pulling from his like

1137
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: personal experience, and like the same for Keen and Ivory

1138
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: wins because it's like, yeah, he went to school for

1139
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: this for fucking years and years and years. You know.

1140
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this when we were talking abou

1141
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: winky Dinky dogs might go on perfect beginning to a sentence.

1142
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: I just love when he's like, when we see that

1143
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: the minimum wage has only gone up five dollars in

1144
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: thirty two and thirty two or thirty three years. Yeah,

1145
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, because because Keena's like I

1146
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: was making two fifty, I'm making to sixty five. Yeah. Yeah, man,

1147
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what adjusted for inflation that even is,

1148
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: but like, damn, just not criminal how little we pay. Um.

1149
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: I went in to kittlee do you reference this at

1150
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: the beginning? I have some some notes on it that

1151
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: how this movie was received at the time of its release. Um,

1152
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: so it's kind of I didn't notice that there were

1153
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: a few lukewarm reviews based on kind of the stuff

1154
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: we were talking about, where like some reviewers kind of

1155
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: knocked Townsend for not addressing or just kind of making

1156
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: light of the struggle of black female actors and also

1157
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: of queer people, and like, there were certainly points lost,

1158
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: mostly from female reviewers, from that, but it's generally really

1159
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: well reviewed when it comes out. Ebert gave it three stars,

1160
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: which I mean, he's only got thumps, he's only got

1161
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: two thumbs, but he's got three stars from and he

1162
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: does I guess. I guess he does three out of

1163
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: four stars. So if you're thinking of five, like so

1164
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: he gave, he said it was an artistic compromise, but

1165
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: a gistical triumph, announcing the arrival of a new talent

1166
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: whose next movie should really be something. And it's like,

1167
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: shut up, but like you sounded just you sounded just

1168
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: like Durantula when you said it's like people people liked it,

1169
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: and it was it did really well, and it seems like,

1170
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: um yeah, everyone was like, oh wow, like here's this

1171
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: like new oh tour and so so that I found that,

1172
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: I honestly like, you just never know with especially in

1173
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: like the late eighties, where it's like there's next to

1174
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: no one in the film reviewing community that is not

1175
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: an old white guy that like is really trying to

1176
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: be Roger Ebert. So I think there's worth noting though that,

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: at least on the Rotten Tomatoes count, this movie was

1178
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: only reviewed by critics versus major blockbuster wide release movies

1179
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: that will get hundreds of reviews. So this is the

1180
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: type of movie like it could have been elevated had

1181
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: more critics reviewed it and reviewed it positively and like

1182
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: that would have encouraged more people to see it. And

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: in fact, I'm curious, So listeners, tell us how familiar

1184
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: you are with this movie, because this movie, I think

1185
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's like off the beaten path for

1186
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: a lot of audiences. Like it's not a super well

1187
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: known movie, and I knew next to nothing about it

1188
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: before we started prepping for this episode. Yeah, I feel

1189
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: like most people I know very few people who have

1190
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: heard of it. It's always like it's always either someone

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01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: has seen it and loved it or has never even

1192
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: heard of it, right, Like I I've never met someone

1193
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: who's been like, oh I heard of it. I I've

1194
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: always want to sit, you know. I never like yeah,

1195
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: Like it's that kind of movie. Is like people who

1196
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: would be into it have like definitely seen it, you know,

1197
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: or they're like, wow, I can't believe I didn't see it.

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it reminds your nights silver were

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01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: nanty Is that how you say nights of Rodancy, Like,

1200
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: is Rodanty a person or a place? Um, we don't know.

1201
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: I think it's a small village in Italy. That's probably

1202
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: a safe bet. I was hoping you both were going

1203
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: to be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard of it. No,

1204
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: here's what's really embarrassing. I've seen Nights in Rodanthy Knights

1205
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: of Rodanthy. I don't know what preposition it is. I've

1206
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: seen that movie. I have no idea what Rodanthy is.

1207
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: I can't I don't remember that movie evening. You ever

1208
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:47,480
Speaker 1: see that? It's like Vanessa Redgrave and like Patrick Wilson

1209
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: and um, well, uh what's his name? From Center Beauty

1210
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: There in a Beauty Beauty Seat, the one with Billy

1211
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: crut Up where he's like Claire Danes and our needs

1212
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know why that was the movie,

1213
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: The way that you got to Claire Danes, that that

1214
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: was some more Tom Hardy venom bro Dancy is a

1215
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: tiny village. Yeah, hell you nailed it. Hell yeah yeah,

1216
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: you guys say you guys thought I didn't bring fucking notes.

1217
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: I brought notes. I brought notes to the backtel you

1218
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean? We Um, does anyone have any

1219
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: other thoughts on Hollywood Shuffle. Oh, yeah, we would talking

1220
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: about That's one of my favorite movies. We should do

1221
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: we should do a podcast episode about it. Oh, I

1222
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: think that might be a good idea. Oh, I just wanted.

1223
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say, Um, my favorite part in

1224
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: Hollywood Shuffle has always been the movie critics uh segment.

1225
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: It's just my absolute favorite. I it's just jokes on

1226
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: tops of jokes. I I love it so much. There

1227
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: is I don't want to see Attack of the Street Pimps,

1228
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's bad everything about it. It's

1229
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: it's very existence is bad for society. But god damn,

1230
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. That scene. It's just so fucking funny. When

1231
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: they're because like they reviewed these and when they do

1232
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: the amadas and he's like I used to say, so

1233
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: my friends, just like man, I adn't go to see

1234
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: any bullshit I can't pronounce, Like, how are you gonna

1235
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: be like even like I'm gonna see i'm a i'm

1236
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: a what I can't stell laughing. And then when they

1237
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: do the Dirty Harry because I always I never liked

1238
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: Dirty Harry. And when they did the Dirty Larry and

1239
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: that whole Dirty Larry sequence. I think it's like one

1240
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: of the funniest things ever ever seen, Like when when

1241
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: he's like when they're talking about the guns, and then

1242
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: and then they're like, yo, you think you're gonna have

1243
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: a fucking conversation right now? Like I just I just

1244
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: love this movie. Man. Yeah. That was. And at the

1245
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: end of the Attack of the Street Pimps review, they

1246
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: eat like they were like, it was full of stereotypes,

1247
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: but we thought the direction was brilliant when they're like, Yo,

1248
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: that guy looks just like the dude from down the street.

1249
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: Crack up so much. I really like that. This is

1250
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: a very like specific joke that people don't make opted

1251
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: because it's a weird joke to make often. But at

1252
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: the end of the movie reviewing segment, they give up

1253
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: a high five and they do like a light slab

1254
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: they go like, which always makes me laugh so much

1255
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: when someone does a bunch of tepid high fives in

1256
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: a row. Hadn't seen it in a while. I was laughing.

1257
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: I can't remember if I'm gonna get you sucker came

1258
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: out before this. I think it came out right after.

1259
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: I think right after right, So this was Damon Wayans

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Speaker 1: debut on screen. I think. Wow. That's the other thing

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Speaker 1: that's so amazing is like you look at this gast

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01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: and it's just like a list of black excellence from

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Speaker 1: like you know, Damon Wayans, Paul Mooney, Robert Townsend. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's just remarkable. Um. I just wish more

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01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: women had been involved, meaningful, especially because they passed Helen Martin,

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01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: who is like an iconic black sitcom actress, Like why

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01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: not give her more to do? Yeah? Yeah, no, I mean, hey,

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Speaker 1: I I completely agree with you. I love I love

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Speaker 1: feminism and famously new T shirt design. Our merchant is

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Speaker 1: getting more and more basis time passes. I love feminism,

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Speaker 1: Sam Mike. If you guys start doing, no, your next merch,

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Speaker 1: your next merch is going to be like YouTube as

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Speaker 1: venom and hardy, like front to back, like one of

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Speaker 1: you was venom, one of you was hardy, and like,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the new merch. Like Yo, beck

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Speaker 1: Deel listeners, if you're still listening, go on the comments,

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Speaker 1: Go on the go on the Bechdel cast Reddit, Get

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Speaker 1: Jamie and data to make venom t shirts. Done done? Fine, Fine,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. Well, does the movie pass the Beck

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Speaker 1: dol test Um. I think I didn't think it did.

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01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't sure. I honestly like, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: paying super super closettention. But it did seem like most

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Speaker 1: times female characters were talking to each other, it was

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01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: about either Bobby or there is that thing where they

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: were at the at the audition scene where to nameless

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: actresses were talking about um getting sexually harassed by a

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01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: male director. There's a couple there's a scene where the

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Speaker 1: like the casting director I think is like her role.

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01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 1: She is named as Millicent. She is talking to another

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01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: woman who gets named as Miss Strickland, and they talk

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01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: about the role that Ms Strickland is auditioning for and

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: like the type of person they are looking for. So

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Speaker 1: that technically passes. And then the scene with Bobby's I

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01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: was so nervous, Wait, so it does pass. I think

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Speaker 1: it does because I would also I think there's an

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Speaker 1: argument to be made for the scene where Bobby's mom

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01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: and grandma they are talking about Bobby, but it's part

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: of a larger conversation about negative representations of black people

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Speaker 1: in media. So I was like, okay that that feels

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: like it would be maybe an exception to the rule.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The bottom line, women aren't in this

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Speaker 1: movie enough. There's not enough commentary on the way black

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01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: women are represented in media. And it's the bummer because

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: there's more than enough room for it in exact movie

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01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: and like more than enough material too end things to

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01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: be said about it. And with that in mind, as

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Speaker 1: far as our nipple scale, in which we write the

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01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: movie on a scale of zero to five nipples based

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Speaker 1: on an intersectional examination of the movie, even though it

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01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: is providing a lot of really funny and effective commentary

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Speaker 1: on the way black men specifically are represented in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: as we've been saying, there is a noticeable lack of

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Speaker 1: commentary as it relates to Black women and their representation

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Speaker 1: in media. And I think even though some of the

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Speaker 1: characters who are women in the movie, like especially the grandma,

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Speaker 1: I would say is the kind of most important character

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01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,799
Speaker 1: to Bobby, she still doesn't get that much screen time.

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: His girlfriend doesn't get much screen time. We know nothing

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01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: about her. There's just there's just not enough there. And

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Speaker 1: there are many cases in which black men haven't shown

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01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: up for black women as much as they should and

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Speaker 1: this just kind of feels like one of those examples

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01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: of like, why wouldn't you when you're making a movie

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01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: that is specifically like a satire and specifically commentary on

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01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: black representation in media, why wouldn't you include black women

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01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: in that more meaningfully? And then there's the homophobic jokes

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01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: and slurs that get made. So I don't know where

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: to land on this exactly on the nipple scale, I

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Speaker 1: guess I think I can only really give it like

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Speaker 1: a two point five. Yeah, I was gonna go like

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01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 1: a two two point five. I agree with with everything

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01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: you're saying. Um, yeah, there's just there's a ton of

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Speaker 1: opportunities to include women and commentary on how black women

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01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: struggle in Hollywood. Here it wasn't done. You have like

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Speaker 1: such a like such such tremendously talented Black actresses in

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Speaker 1: this movie, and they don't really get to do much.

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01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: But I do feel like this movie does something that

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01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: just wasn't done at all at this time, and there

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: wasn't any money put behind, and the fact that it

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01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: exists through like Robert Townsend's like Cheer will Power is

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01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: really amazing. Yeah, and and and I was happy to

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01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,959
Speaker 1: see that there is a female producer. But yeah, ultimately

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01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: it's like there's no reason women and where people shouldn't

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01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: have been included more meaningfully here, And uh, I wish

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01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it had that said. I really enjoyed the movie. It's

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: I like I would. If you haven't seen it genuinely,

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01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 1: you should see it. It's really funny and good. Yeah.

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01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: But two nipples. As far as as far as our

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Speaker 1: scale goes, I guess, and I will give Who will

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01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I give my nipples to? I will give I will

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01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 1: give one to Helen Martin, and I'll give one to

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01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: a Marie Johnson. I'll go the obvious route. I'll do

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01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: the same, and I'll give my extra half nipple two

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01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: winky dinky dogs iconic. Yeah, Sam, what about you? What

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01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Um? I I do agree with everything

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Speaker 1: you said. I think for me, it's one of those

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01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: things is just like a male black comic. It's I

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01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: see I look at the film and I just see

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01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: what it what it's done, and to me, I feel

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Speaker 1: like some of his shortcomings is made up for what

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Speaker 1: it has done for black creative people as a whole

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Speaker 1: for thirty years. And I think that it's set a standard.

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Speaker 1: It's set a precedent. It's set a pathway, and I

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Speaker 1: think that pathway has been used greatly for men and women.

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01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: That it's still like a there's still a lot to do,

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01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: but I do feel like it does do that, and

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Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, it's just like there's

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Speaker 1: not there weren't a lot of um just to get

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Speaker 1: to a Blackmail in seven, writing, producing, and starring in

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Speaker 1: his own film that is seen by countless theaters across

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Speaker 1: the country. That feet in and of itself, I feel

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01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: like is just so impressive and just and just so

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Speaker 1: meaningful overall that I think that it that some of

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01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: the stuff that I think would be if it was

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Speaker 1: remade today, which you know, we already talked about why

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it wouldn't work today, but like if it was remade today,

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01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: I think those things would not be in it. Right,

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01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 1: So I look at it is like it all will

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01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have as meaningful of an impact as it

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01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: did then, And I feel like what it does there,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's just like it's the only thing

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01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: I can see when I see the film. But I

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Speaker 1: I again don't I don't disagree, it's just it's just

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01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: it's just something that I I can only see its

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: progress because it's just it's the only thing like it

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01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: there's there still hasn't been anything quite like it besides

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Speaker 1: Scary Movie, which is made by the co writer of

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01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: the film you know. Um. So it's a feat that

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Speaker 1: only two black eyes have ever done in thirty years,

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01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: and one of them both of them were in the

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01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: same movie, you know. So it's it's just that that's

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01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: that's what I see. But I also don't disagree with

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Speaker 1: anything you said. Uh, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I would give it like, I would give it five nipples,

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Speaker 1: and I would give all of them to Anthony Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: The twist full disclosure, I might cut that whole human

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01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: staying part out of the episode. So if you want to,

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01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: I like it, I like I like the mystery I

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01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: will be based on based on what you just described,

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01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: I'll bump up to a two point five. I'll match

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01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: Caitlin there because I hadn't. Yeah, like that the fact

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01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: that Hollywood Shuffle did like pave the way for black

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01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: female comedians, the black female you know tours like. Yeah,

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01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 1: it's very existence is the thing that I find so

1405
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: as funny. Like to me, it's still one of the

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01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: funniest movies I've ever seen. But it's very existence even

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01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: exceeds how much I love it's humor. Sure, yeah, it's

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01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: legacy even though, and that's what kind of like I

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01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: wish it had. It definitely has a legacy, and it

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01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: definitely did a lot to pave the way and inspire

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: particularly black filmmakers and just artists of color. I wish

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01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: that it had a bigger legacy in terms of I

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01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: wish more people have seen this movie. But you can

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01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: see it's impact truly, like what it was. It was

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01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of fun to watch this movie and also and

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01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: and be able to be like, oh, you know, I've

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01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: seen like a ton of TV and movies that clearly

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01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: are pulling from this movie. I just didn't realize it,

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01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: right totally. Yeah it's and yeah, it's just it's so

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01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how to any listener that hasn't

1421
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: seen it, Like, how god damn funny it is? It's

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01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 1: so funny. Oh, I wonder do most of your listeners

1423
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: have they seen the movie? Like do they tell you

1424
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: if they've seen the movie? Like some people only listen

1425
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: to the episode if they've seen the movies. Some people

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01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: will watch listen to the episode regardless of whether or

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01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: not they've watched the movie. Yeah, because most of the

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01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 1: movies you guys do is old. So I was I

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01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: was always fascinating, like yeah, because I wonder if I

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01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: wonder I wonder if anyone's listeners and hasn't seen it

1431
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: and still wants to see it, like you know what

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01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's always I'm always I'm fascinating like that,

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01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: if you guys have any of that kind of like

1434
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: ratio if like there's a lot of people that are like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: I check out Lolita because I heard it on the

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01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 1: back dep hopefully not that one, but I think that, um,

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01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: regardless of it, it's shortcomings that we discussed. I think

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01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: this is a movie worth watching. So if you have

1439
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 1: not seen it, you have listened to this episode all

1440
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: the way to this point, I would recommend checking the

1441
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: movie out because again it's still making a lot of

1442
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: meaningful and important, ineffective points that are still again all

1443
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: too relevant today. So in that way, like there's some

1444
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: things that like age poorly about this movie, the you know,

1445
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: the homophobia and the fat shaming and the kind of

1446
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: ignoring women, but there's other there's many other things about

1447
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 1: the ignoring, but other things about it are are still

1448
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: sadly pretty relevant. So M yeah, um, we'll say m

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01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on this roller

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01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: coaster of an episode. I've had a blast me too,

1451
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:34,799
Speaker 1: so thanks. Here. Where can people check out your your stuff?

1452
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Follow you on social media? Yeah? Um, you can follow

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Speaker 1: me at the sam ike on Twitter, Instagram. Um you

1454
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Speaker 1: can also, um, if you want. I've been trying to

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Speaker 1: become like the biggest Zoom comic. So if you can

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Speaker 1: follow me on Zoom, I'm ww dot zoom dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'll join you, get in the group, build my brand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I've got a good feeling about this,

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Speaker 1: and the pivot to Zoom is gonna be huge. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be big. I'm gonna be crushing it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get like I'm already at like I'm already at like

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Speaker 1: three thousand Zoom followers. Y'all just people just sitting there

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Speaker 1: waiting for me to come on and be like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: here's my house, and you know what you know who

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Speaker 1: also is going to hear this, Jill Loft, This is

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Speaker 1: about to send a zoom request. Did she listen to

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Speaker 1: every episode? Yeah? She listened. She she will listen to

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Speaker 1: your episode. She doesn't listen. Caitlin has a more thorough

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Speaker 1: mother than I do. My mom does listen to every episode.

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Speaker 1: Hi mom, HILARI yo. Mr Durantula, y'all shout out. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Durantula has always been really tight. I hope you're enjoying Scran. Uh.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't live in Scranton. I always thought, I thought,

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Speaker 1: I know you're from Scran. No, I've never lived None

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Speaker 1: of my family has ever lived in Scranton. They live

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Speaker 1: outside of State College, Pennsylvania. Damn it. Yes, you're right,

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Speaker 1: you're You tell me that every time, and I always

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Speaker 1: think you're saying Scran. I always, for some ways, I

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Speaker 1: always think you're saying Scran. Good grief. Well, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: our moms are cool. That's the moral of this story

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Speaker 1: and what else. You can follow us on social media

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Bechtel Cast. You can check

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Speaker 1: out our Patreon a k A Matreon. We have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of episodes there in the back catalog and probably

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Speaker 1: a lot of Diane Lane on the way, so much

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Speaker 1: coming up. I can't wait for your listeners to be like, yeo,

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Speaker 1: I really liked them, but when they got into that

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Speaker 1: Diane Lane phase, it was really they just lost me.

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Speaker 1: They lost that magic when they started focusing on strictly

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Speaker 1: Diane Lane. Unfortunately, it is going to inspire us to

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Speaker 1: change the name of the podcast to the Rectal Cast,

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Speaker 1: and who knows what that's gonna be about. Even Dianne

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Speaker 1: really fucked us over. But anyway, if you do want

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Speaker 1: to check out our Matreon material, you can do that

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Speaker 1: at patreon dot com slash spectol Cast. It's a five

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Speaker 1: dollar a month subscription and you get access to too

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Speaker 1: bonus episodes every month, plus all past and future Diane

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Speaker 1: Lane episodes. Holy sh is this a bonus episode? No,

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Speaker 1: this is a real one. This is a baby Oh shit?

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Speaker 1: Oh funk? I would have like tried you would have

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Speaker 1: taken notes? Well, honestly, it's it's fine that it's better

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Speaker 1: that you didn't. Yes, we wouldn't have gotten the Tom

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Speaker 1: Hardy venom reference if you had taken notes, And that

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Speaker 1: was just beautiful, pure improv. Yeah. I love Yes and

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Speaker 1: and ship Man shout out to Dell Close. Also, we've

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Speaker 1: got our public store where you can get all of

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Speaker 1: our our merch, including maybe a new T shirt design

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Speaker 1: that is I Love feminism. Well, do you have many?

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Speaker 1: They're gonna start, They're gonna start really just flying off

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Speaker 1: the shelf. I'm telling you, I'm telling you the way

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Speaker 1: to go. You guys got to get into that Venom

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Speaker 1: you gotta get Yeah, that's true. They got that sequel

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Speaker 1: Woody Harrelson. Oh really, Oh god, Yeah, Allison's gonna be carnage.

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Speaker 1: He's carnage is like Venom but red pass hard pass um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you can get our merch at t public

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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash the Bechtel cast and uh with that

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Speaker 1: by everyone. Oh yeah,