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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
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Speaker 3: want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realists. We took a
Speaker 3: brief break last week and we are back at it.
Speaker 3: So much stuff has happened. There's so much news out there.
Speaker 3: Dare we say some of it is strange. We're going
Speaker 3: to learn about We're going to learn about a real
Speaker 3: global conspiracy in the Middle East. We're going to we're
Speaker 3: going to talk a little bit about maybe freedom of
Speaker 3: expression is a good way to put it, Nola, And
Speaker 3: we do want to give you a warning at the
Speaker 3: very top. Okay, there is an important story that we're
Speaker 3: going to get to towards the end of this week's segment,
Speaker 3: and it is not for everyone. It contained some very
Speaker 3: graphic information. We've got your back. We're going to give
Speaker 3: you a heads up before we get to it. We'll
Speaker 3: make it clear so you'll know going in. But before
Speaker 3: we do any of that, Noel, I hear Disney's been
Speaker 3: on your mind lately.
Speaker 4: When is it not, Man is the most magical place
Speaker 4: on earth. And I have to say I hadn't been
Speaker 4: to Disney World or Land since I was a very
Speaker 4: small child. And I think I mentioned on the show
Speaker 4: recently that earlier this year, my family and some close
Speaker 4: friends and I went to Disney World in Florida and.
Speaker 5: It was just awesome. I mean, I get what all
Speaker 5: the fuss is about. It's a really cool place.
Speaker 4: Like they even make waiting in line seem kind of fun.
Speaker 4: And you know, since we're talking about that, before I
Speaker 4: get into today's story, which is admittedly a little bit
Speaker 4: of a shorty, did want to mention another line related
Speaker 4: Disney story that I heard recently that apparently those lines
Speaker 4: that I said are fun to wait in because there's
Speaker 4: lots of stuff to look at. I'll tell you what
Speaker 4: there aren't on those lines is places to use the bathroom.
Speaker 4: And we did successfully. We had two young kids with us.
Speaker 4: We were successfully able to get a cast members. They're
Speaker 4: known in Disney parlance, to guide them in the parent
Speaker 4: to a nearby facility through some back corridors. But apparently
Speaker 4: a lot of people parents don't have the foresight to
Speaker 4: do that and just have their kids poop on the ground.
Speaker 5: M this is a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also this is weird too. I'm glad you
Speaker 3: brought this up because some people may be unaware that
Speaker 3: in different parts of the world it is totally normalized
Speaker 3: to just have your have your kids defecate or pee
Speaker 3: in the street or on the side of the road.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, you know, have you ever been
Speaker 3: to a place where you're using a public restroom and
Speaker 3: there's a sign with someone squatting on top of the
Speaker 3: toilet and they're like, ah, don't do that.
Speaker 5: It's like, Ben, I love that you took this issue
Speaker 5: and made it global.
Speaker 6: I do appreciate, but I have to say, I don't
Speaker 6: think there's any world where it's okay to poop in
Speaker 6: line with other people in a ride situation.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, I agree with you. I have
Speaker 3: your back here. Like we we order must prevail, right,
Speaker 3: we should poop in the assigned areas. I think is
Speaker 3: a good call.
Speaker 4: And one of the more popular, well, probably because it's
Speaker 4: one of the longest lines, and we waited in this
Speaker 4: one and it was kind of worth the wait. There's
Speaker 4: an Avatar ride. There's two avatar rides. Ones like a
Speaker 4: jungle cruise kind of like boat type ride. We didn't
Speaker 4: do that one, but we did do the flight one.
Speaker 4: I forget what it's called, something light where you ride
Speaker 4: this virtual reality thing and you're like flying with the
Speaker 4: nave on there whatever, shrieky banshee, you know, pterodactyl things.
Speaker 4: But there is a cove, like a little like alley
Speaker 4: almost to the side of one of the lines that
Speaker 4: apparently there's like a Reddit as there is for everything
Speaker 4: for Disney employees, and they refer to it as like
Speaker 4: the poop alley because apparently people just duck into it
Speaker 4: and have their kids just poop on the floor. But
Speaker 4: that's not what we're talking about today.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying for some tourists from China.
Speaker 5: No, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's a very good pointment, and I
Speaker 4: don't think I didn't clock that as.
Speaker 5: Any any of the references. I would in my mind
Speaker 5: more than that, I would.
Speaker 4: Just picture like kind of entitled Buckhead Betty type moms,
Speaker 4: you know, sort of like wine moms who don't really
Speaker 4: care about others, you know, just doing that. That's kind
Speaker 4: of the way I look at it. But you're right, Ben,
Speaker 4: there is definitely a and Buckhead Betty. By the way,
Speaker 4: it's sort of a local thing here in Atlanta, basically
Speaker 4: a Karen type situation. But Buckhead is a sort of
Speaker 4: a more affluent to bougie community here in Atlanta. And
Speaker 4: oftentimes when folks from that part of town venture, you know,
Speaker 4: inward to the city, they they.
Speaker 5: They're a little demanding.
Speaker 4: They're the kind of people that will snap at you
Speaker 4: at a restaurant, snap with their fingers, you know, to Beckon,
Speaker 4: you come.
Speaker 7: Hither, gossol and they know what means boy. Carson means
Speaker 7: boy exactly. Well, speaking of boys, there was a boy again,
Speaker 7: dare we say? It was a segue of sorts, a
Speaker 7: twenty six year old in fact, who has remained unnamed.
Speaker 7: And I saw this for the first time, I think,
Speaker 7: as it was kind of making the rounds from people
Speaker 7: uploading it off off of their you know, it's TikTok
Speaker 7: and stuff.
Speaker 4: And again I'm not a TikToker. So I see things maybe.
Speaker 5: A little later on Instagram when it like an adult,
Speaker 5: but it's this. There's this video of these these people
Speaker 5: in one of.
Speaker 4: The gondolas on the it's a Small World ride at
Speaker 4: Disney in Anaheim Disney World, right, no Land, that's Disneyland
Speaker 4: and anna And there's this very kind of gaunt looking
Speaker 4: shirtless and pantsless young dude just wandering the sets like
Speaker 4: you know where there's a little all the little figures
Speaker 4: and stuff in the backgrounds and things flying around like
Speaker 4: he is just wandering around. And I actually put a
Speaker 4: link in the h in our chat here. My share
Speaker 4: isn't working. Would you want one of you guys mind
Speaker 4: playing real quick? So we listen to the audio because
Speaker 4: the audio alone is is kind of amazing. I guess
Speaker 4: while this is happening, the this kid is just wandering around,
Speaker 4: just kind of like peering around behind stuff, and there's
Speaker 4: this pool that looks like it's water but it's actually
Speaker 4: fabric that's kind of billowing, and all the while these
Speaker 4: Disney adults, you know, which are you know, adult people
Speaker 4: who love Disney. Nothing wrong with that, but there is
Speaker 4: a bit of a cultish quality around some of these folks.
Speaker 4: And I again, I'm not no aspersions there, but they're
Speaker 4: just looking.
Speaker 5: On in terror.
Speaker 4: And the one literal loudest voice in the room I
Speaker 4: want you guys to hear, because this person is absolutely
Speaker 4: making zero, having zero impact on what this kid is doing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, it's gonna break all the stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's got great abs, really good abs,
Speaker 4: real lanky fellow. So this person is literally just shouting,
Speaker 4: you know, sit down. I don't know if it's as
Speaker 4: if it's a patron or an employee, You're gonna hurt yourself.
Speaker 5: And then someone says he's gonna break all the stuff,
Speaker 5: which is my favorite.
Speaker 4: And then someone very kind of like great California way
Speaker 4: kind of says they should turn off the music.
Speaker 5: Just I think my favorite detail as well.
Speaker 2: The music is what makes it so entertaining for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's funny too, because you know, typically it's
Speaker 4: a Small World ride. Most people's complaint about that ride
Speaker 4: is the song because it just plays on a loop
Speaker 4: at nauseum, just you know, but it would appear that
Speaker 4: they've judged it up for the holidays, and this version
Speaker 4: of the song is not the traditional It's a Small
Speaker 4: World it's more of a Christmas themed version because we're
Speaker 4: hearing jingle bells and I think it is literally more
Speaker 4: like a jingle bell type melody. So what happened was
Speaker 4: at this point in the I guess this person's experience,
Speaker 4: they're wearing shorts. It looks to be like boxer briefs
Speaker 4: or something. But there's another video you can find where
Speaker 4: a couple of videos where this kid is seen emerging
Speaker 4: from the gondola tunnel the exit which is water right,
Speaker 4: and he's naked at this point, fully naked, and he's
Speaker 4: just kind of trudging out, just looking around like that
Speaker 4: meme of John Travolta and pulp fiction, just kind of.
Speaker 5: Looking just like what is going on here?
Speaker 4: Looking at things very meticulously and bewilderedly simultaneously, which is
Speaker 4: to me the hallmark of someone on a heavy dose
Speaker 4: of hallucinogens. Which seems like he doesn't seem terrified, which
Speaker 4: you'd think would be certainly on the table. You know,
Speaker 4: people seem to be having aversion to It's a small world,
Speaker 4: you know, a stone called sober. But he's he's walking
Speaker 4: out at this point, he's he shed his entire clothes
Speaker 4: and there's also part of the other video you see
Speaker 4: where he dropped all of his clothes in a pile,
Speaker 4: including his shoes, right, and then he breaks out of
Speaker 4: the gondola and goes and he's just wandering.
Speaker 3: What time of day was this.
Speaker 4: It was at one point thirty pm in the afternoon,
Speaker 4: broad daylight, and it apparently only caused the ride to
Speaker 4: shut down for a couple hours. It was reopened around
Speaker 4: three o'clock. But the best part, it is maybe not
Speaker 4: the best part, it's it's kind of awful. Is there's
Speaker 4: another video where you can see this kid being carried
Speaker 4: out by police and security, still fully nude, and like
Speaker 4: they've got him in this like spread eagle kind of
Speaker 4: position and just kind of lazily draped a blanket over him.
Speaker 4: But even in the video it's still had blur lines
Speaker 4: on it, so presume that wasn't quite doing the trick.
Speaker 4: And you hear someone go idiot with all these kids around, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's accurate. This is an act of you know, sexual
Speaker 4: assault in a way. I mean, it's certainly in decent exposure,
Speaker 4: which is what he got charged with by the police
Speaker 4: there in Anaheim. In addition to I think criminal mischief.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was one of them. I love that one.
Speaker 4: That's always a fun that's a great fun sounding and
Speaker 4: then also being under the influence of a controlled substance.
Speaker 3: And I love that you point out how quickly the
Speaker 3: ride got back up to speed. It reminds me we
Speaker 3: need to shout out our pal code name Doc Holliday's
Speaker 3: episode on Disney with who was that with? Was that Lauren?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's insane though, because Okay, Noel,
Speaker 3: I have a question for you. How often does stuff
Speaker 3: like this happen?
Speaker 5: Do you think more often than you'd think.
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I mentioned the pooping stuff
Speaker 4: and we definitely done in the past. So like all
Speaker 4: these weird stories about like you know, you can't die
Speaker 4: at Disney, stuff like that, like if they'll.
Speaker 5: You know, some of the things that we debunked.
Speaker 4: We also know that there was a rash of people
Speaker 4: taking their recently departed loved ones ashes and throwing them
Speaker 4: off Disney rides and that's a big no no. And
Speaker 4: that will you know, it would cause the ride to
Speaker 4: shut down. That's of course a biohazard if they're not
Speaker 4: your loved ones, you know. Keith Richards snorted. His father apparently,
Speaker 4: but there are other instances like this. In fact, in
Speaker 4: People magazine they mentioned another incident that happened very very recently,
Speaker 4: in fact, where someone tried to dive off of the
Speaker 4: edge of like a kind of a observation deck in
Speaker 4: order to satisfy allegedly a sixty thousand dollars bet. There's
Speaker 4: something of the World Showcase Lagoon, which I believe in
Speaker 4: Epcot is the kind of the big body of water
Speaker 4: between all of the different sort of like recreations of
Speaker 4: different countries. You know, there's like a big old body
Speaker 4: of water kind of a boat situation, and it says, yeah,
Speaker 4: a guy dove in feet first and swam to the side,
Speaker 4: climbed over a gondola and then got out. And in
Speaker 4: the TikTok video you hear someone, which is probably gonna
Speaker 4: be the case for this other streaker fellow, You're gonna
Speaker 4: get banned for life, homie, You're getting banned for life,
Speaker 4: because that is very much a thing at Disney, banning
Speaker 4: for life, and they do not play.
Speaker 3: I hope it was a cast member in a costume.
Speaker 3: I hope it was someone dressed as Goofy who is like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get banned for life, homie.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny that you mentioned that Ben in
Speaker 4: the video of the of the authorities dragging them him out,
Speaker 4: which also I didn't quake it into the bottom of
Speaker 4: this yet, and I'm sure more information will come out
Speaker 4: because we know there are like backstage areas, you know,
Speaker 4: where like cast members go to whatever, have a lunch
Speaker 4: break or whatever it might be. And then you know,
Speaker 4: they make a huge deal about you can never take
Speaker 4: your head off if you're a costumed cast member. You
Speaker 4: have to go backstage for that, and apparently at the
Speaker 4: backstage area is a lot like the back stage of
Speaker 4: a theater, where it's like the bones of everything, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's not like necessarily decked out
Speaker 4: like like like everything. They reserve all that for for
Speaker 4: the guests. But in the video where they've they're for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, they couldn't find a way to take him
Speaker 4: out the back, so they're literally marching him through with
Speaker 4: people watching, like tons of people watching, and there's this
Speaker 4: dude wearing like an Elf costume talking into his sleeve
Speaker 4: was very clearly like a a hidden security guy.
Speaker 3: He's like the air marshal on the.
Speaker 4: Plane dude, And I'm sure they've got those posts it
Speaker 4: all over because like to the to the previous thing
Speaker 4: I was saying about the pooping in line, that stuff
Speaker 4: gets scooped up lickety split or lickety.
Speaker 5: Like people coming, you know, they find it. They've got
Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of they don't.
Speaker 2: Want cameras, cameras literally everywhere.
Speaker 4: But they probably also have like you know, infrared or
Speaker 4: something that like can detect warm human feces.
Speaker 2: I would imagine they just see it the moment that
Speaker 2: your little toddler squats down and dukes.
Speaker 4: It has to be the level of surveillance and probably proprietary,
Speaker 4: like they've they've done everything they do there. It's like
Speaker 4: a trade secret right that you would have at casinos
Speaker 4: where they can tell if the dealer is cheating instantly
Speaker 4: because there's like a flag. It's you don't even have
Speaker 4: to have a human there's probably a kid pooping in
Speaker 4: line detector, you know, built into these things, or a
Speaker 4: streaker on the ride detector. You know, it wouldn't take
Speaker 4: long to catch this guy who's out like a like
Speaker 4: a sore thumb.
Speaker 5: But what a story?
Speaker 2: Can I guys just say something? Okay? I get this person,
Speaker 2: this human for taking these actions. I get this person
Speaker 2: getting in trouble for.
Speaker 5: Breaking you relate to this person.
Speaker 2: I understand this person getting in trouble for breaking park
Speaker 2: rules right potentially causing harm to company property or even
Speaker 2: maybe trespassing in this instance. But is it weird do
Speaker 2: you guys that we can get in trouble for just
Speaker 2: walking around as the animals we are are without coverings?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? I mean, I think that's a very interesting point, Matt.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting that it's still such a bone of contention,
Speaker 4: and it's like, what is expo. God, now I'm gonna
Speaker 4: sell like an apologize for like flashers or something, but you.
Speaker 5: Started down.
Speaker 4: No, I do think it's interesting, and I think it's
Speaker 4: it's in a lot of ways very silly and prudish,
Speaker 4: but it is what you, I guess can call a
Speaker 4: societal norm or more.
Speaker 5: And we've built structures around these things.
Speaker 4: And that's why even in like a lot of European cities,
Speaker 4: like having a nude beach or having a fully I
Speaker 4: think in Germany being fully topless is okay, you know.
Speaker 4: And and the fact that it's applied differently to men
Speaker 4: versus women, you know, that women are not allowed to
Speaker 4: show their breasts, but like men can be shirtless drinking
Speaker 4: diet cokes, they're glistening abdominals, you know, on roofs.
Speaker 5: It's sorry, I'm making myself feel away.
Speaker 3: Like there's I mean, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 3: It's a social contract, right, So the idea is one
Speaker 3: of informed consent in a community, even if that community
Speaker 3: is a temporary and artificial one such as Disneyland. Like
Speaker 3: to your point, Matt, obviously, yes, clothing is a human
Speaker 3: invention and it's not it's not part of the natural hardware.
Speaker 4: An optional human invention's loosened up.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, another way, I think another aspect
Speaker 3: to explore there would be the concept of being non
Speaker 3: consensually sent apic. You can agree to it, so why
Speaker 3: should you, Why should you not consenting be subjected to it.
Speaker 3: That's why that person or the secret elf op of
Speaker 3: Disneyland or whomever is saying, oh there are kids here.
Speaker 3: If you knew there was going to be a naked
Speaker 3: guy when you came in, that's one thing. If you didn't,
Speaker 3: that's a different thing.
Speaker 2: And everybody in that bride is naked under their clothes.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just very interesting. I think I
Speaker 2: took I think I took shrooms before this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like one with everyone the way that ride
Speaker 2: makes you feel one with everyone.
Speaker 5: Let me let me just.
Speaker 4: Quid pro quote Clarice, you here real quick. That's not
Speaker 4: really right, but it works for my purposes. Like, let's say,
Speaker 4: you know, you went on your kid went on a
Speaker 4: field trip with their school to an art museum and
Speaker 4: saw nude sculptures and you didn't know because you've never
Speaker 4: been to an art museum before, that was going to happen.
Speaker 4: I think there would understandably be some rightful indignation there,
Speaker 4: and probably the school could get in trouble and they
Speaker 4: probably would need to be very careful about stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably everybody's everybody's different, but we're all the same.
Speaker 5: But lisas are objectively weird, even the best of them. Anyway,
Speaker 5: you guys have anything else on that one? What are
Speaker 5: these gonna happen? Band for life? For sure?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, honestly, Yeah, this is like basically
Speaker 4: the equivalent of exposing yourself to a minor.
Speaker 5: So it's not gonna go well for this guy.
Speaker 3: Ben, what do you think I think criminal mischief is
Speaker 3: a great name for a crime. That's my primary takeaway.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a sex offender.
Speaker 3: You are exposing yourself to children, right. But the question
Speaker 3: then is do we know do you know Nole conclusively
Speaker 3: whether this was a substance. He was definitely under control.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a mental man.
Speaker 4: He's basically meditating in the middle. He looks like he's
Speaker 4: about to rise up off the damn ground. I mean this,
Speaker 4: there's something going on with this guy. You know, as
Speaker 4: someone who's been around uh completely as a as a
Speaker 4: neutral observer people taking psychedelics. This guy was absolutely on
Speaker 4: on something.
Speaker 5: As they say, be safe out there, indeed indeed, but
Speaker 5: also disney World, Disneyland awesome. Excited to go back. I'd
Speaker 5: wait in those lines, you know, I would have waited
Speaker 5: another forty five minutes. Just bring just bring a jug
Speaker 5: of some kind.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. Be discreept, y'all. We're gonna take
Speaker 4: a break. That's make it a face. We'll be back
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be reading from an article written by Damien
Speaker 2: Carrington for The Guardian on November twenty seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: The title is revealed Saudi Arabia's grand plan to quote
Speaker 2: hook poor countries on oil. And we're just gonna read
Speaker 2: parts of this and we'll break out and talk about sections. Okay, guys,
Speaker 2: here we go. Saudi Arabia is driving a huge global
Speaker 2: investment plan to create demand, create demand that's really important
Speaker 2: for its oil and gas in developing countries, and undercover
Speaker 2: investigation has revealed. So first off the bat, you guys,
Speaker 2: let's discuss Saudi Arabia. This place, the Kingdom of Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia or KSA, has been a major player in the
Speaker 2: oil business since the late nineteen thirties. Nineteen thirty eight
Speaker 2: is when there's literally an American oil refinery that basically
Speaker 2: strikes oil and realize, oh my gosh, there's so much
Speaker 2: underneath this land. We can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And they've been successful in making mountains of money pulling
Speaker 2: it from the earth for decades, pretty much because they
Speaker 2: get cozy relationships with these traditionally very powerful, very advanced
Speaker 2: nations such as the United States, and they've been exporting
Speaker 2: oil to countries like the US four decades and everybody's
Speaker 2: been happy. But as the demand for oil is starting
Speaker 2: to weaken because these same highly developed countries are moving
Speaker 2: towards more sustainable, environmentally friendly forms of energy, they don't
Speaker 2: want as much oil. So the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: is basically saying, Okay, we need to find more customers.
Speaker 2: At least that's what I'm getting from this. Would you guys.
Speaker 3: Agree, yes?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 4: Do you think there's concern that the tide is being
Speaker 4: sort of rolled back in favor of renewables and the
Speaker 4: folks are going to be like, we got to figure
Speaker 4: out maybe some.
Speaker 5: New revenue streams for this stuff. I know that's not
Speaker 5: like now, but it does feel like maybe down the line,
Speaker 5: if that's your main thing, then there are people having
Speaker 5: to think down the line, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when it comes to using oil as a
Speaker 2: combustible to run machinery, right, that becomes a big thing,
Speaker 2: and also using oil and gas to run power plants
Speaker 2: to be one of the primary energy sources for an area.
Speaker 2: So let's keep going down here, because I think we're
Speaker 2: going to hit some of these things guys. If you
Speaker 2: go to the website for this thing, it's called the
Speaker 2: os T or the Oil Sustainability Program, at least that's
Speaker 2: what it's called on the English language version of the
Speaker 2: website that I can access and understand, right.
Speaker 3: And sometimes called what is ODSP it is basically the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's not the same thing at all. It's
Speaker 2: ODST is the Oil Demand Sustainability Program, which means they're
Speaker 2: trying to make sure the demand is there somewhere, right,
Speaker 2: And they call it that on the Arabic version of
Speaker 2: the website, which is really interesting. Right, it's either the
Speaker 2: Oil Sustainability Program or the Oil Demand Sustainability Program changes
Speaker 2: the meaning quite a bit, I think.
Speaker 3: So are they clear this up for me? Please? I'm confused.
Speaker 3: So are they the same program with different names, or
Speaker 3: are they two separate entities.
Speaker 5: Or similar bodies of board members or whatever they are?
Speaker 5: These two different, completely different organizations.
Speaker 2: It's like if Sony called itself the Sony Company or
Speaker 2: Sony Company, but on different websites. It's the same exact things,
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: Thing with two different names. Okay, got it?
Speaker 2: And you know it could be something that's lost in translation, right,
Speaker 2: Going from Arabic to English, but I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I don't think it is is
Speaker 2: because there's this undercover investigation where journalists pretended to be
Speaker 2: people who were interested in this program, so they basically
Speaker 2: got the entire pitch from the Saudi government and officials there.
Speaker 2: And that's that's why this is even a story, because
Speaker 2: the way they talk about it to people who might
Speaker 2: be interested in the program versus the way they sell
Speaker 2: the program to the public, it's just so very vastly different.
Speaker 2: And let's get this out of the way. This program
Speaker 2: is overseen by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and it
Speaker 2: involves the huge like the biggest oil companies in Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia and a Ramco is a name that you might remember.
Speaker 2: These are the big players in oil. And I guess
Speaker 2: that means in a way they're conspiring to do this
Speaker 2: stuff because they are, you know, like I said, they
Speaker 2: are giving a different public story than they are behind
Speaker 2: closed doors. Let's get into what they're saying. The reporters
Speaker 2: ask the people giving this presentation whether it was their
Speaker 2: aim to quote artificially stimulate demand in key markets, and
Speaker 2: they responded, quote yes, it's one of the main objectives
Speaker 2: we're trying to accomplish. We don't believe it's possible that
Speaker 2: developing countries can skip the fossil fuel phase, because in
Speaker 2: order to implement electric vehicles, you'll need a ready infrastructure.
Speaker 2: I want to pause here and ask you guys about
Speaker 2: what you think of that. Do you think you have
Speaker 2: to go through the development phases of what you would
Speaker 2: need to have to run gas powered cars before you
Speaker 2: can run electric powered cars?
Speaker 3: The leap frog? Yeah, technology theory?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, what do you Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you guys, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I guess I reiterate my posit. My previous question is
Speaker 4: sort of like this is a business move. This is
Speaker 4: like a three dimensional chess move, right, like to figure
Speaker 4: out what the next phase of this legacy product is
Speaker 4: that you're so invested in. So I don't quite understand
Speaker 4: the question, like into the infrastructure already there?
Speaker 2: No like what what what?
Speaker 4: What's different about this than just traditional old selling petroleum.
Speaker 2: Well, because they what Saudi Arabia wants to do is
Speaker 2: invest in let's say Rwanda, and they want to build
Speaker 2: a bunch of roads, right, the way the US builds.
Speaker 4: Petroleum to like literally, let's let's let's move the the
Speaker 4: gasoline guzzling vehicles to these other countries that don't have
Speaker 4: the infrastructure yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, according to the Saudi Arabian officials, roughly three percent
Speaker 2: of people who live on the African continent own a vehicle,
Speaker 2: so they want to make that number skyrocket and in
Speaker 2: order to you know, have a vehicle. The type of
Speaker 2: vehicle that they want to sell and they think they
Speaker 2: can sell to people living in Africa are like a
Speaker 2: very affordable small vehicle that they want to work with
Speaker 2: manufacturers to create and then sell in whatever country that
Speaker 2: they're partnering with in this case again Rwanda and a handful
Speaker 2: of others. Let me jump back to the article here.
Speaker 2: It says the projects are in three categories, transport, utilities,
Speaker 2: and materials, with the third promoting the replacement of some cement,
Speaker 2: steel and wood used in construction with oil derived plastics.
Speaker 2: So again they want oil demand, right, So it's not
Speaker 2: just a car that runs on oil, it's also a
Speaker 2: power plant that runs on oil. It's also oil to
Speaker 2: be used in the manufacturing of plastics for things like construction.
Speaker 2: It's basically like, yeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: They're saying to African countries, as you are developing our
Speaker 2: direction and yeah, we'll give you a sweet deal, but
Speaker 2: you got to get hooked on our oil and only.
Speaker 5: Our drug pusher mentality.
Speaker 2: Dude, bro, that is exact exactly a quote.
Speaker 5: That's what it is getting them addicted.
Speaker 2: No, exactly. For Mohammed Adao, he's the director of a
Speaker 2: think tank called Power Shift Africa, and this is his quote.
Speaker 2: The Saudi government is like a drug dealer trying to
Speaker 2: get Africa hooked on its harmful product. The rest of
Speaker 2: the world is weaning itself off dirty and polluting fossil fuels,
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia is getting desperate for more customers and
Speaker 2: is turning its sits on Africa. I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: way it feels to me. But again, if you're a
Speaker 2: developing country, can you leapfrog those other technologies before you
Speaker 2: just all of a sudden have electric vehicles, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, have sustainable energy.
Speaker 5: We want nice things too, we want.
Speaker 4: Cars, we want to be able to do all these
Speaker 4: things the rest of the world's been doing for however long.
Speaker 4: And you're saying because of pollution. We're not able to
Speaker 4: do that. From their perspective, I would argue that would
Speaker 4: be like, that's bullshit. We get to do You guys
Speaker 4: did have been doing this for years.
Speaker 2: But it's weird because there is brand new technology that
Speaker 2: could leap that exists.
Speaker 5: Though, isn't it more expensive?
Speaker 2: It is more expensive, But you know, I'm not somebody
Speaker 2: who can make policy decisions or understand or where money
Speaker 2: would actually flow to make this happen, But it does
Speaker 2: seem as though you wouldn't have to do that. The
Speaker 2: example I have in my head has to do with
Speaker 2: communications technology, and I imagine living in a neighborhood where
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, my neighborhood still has telegraphs and
Speaker 2: that's all we've got because we haven't done as well
Speaker 2: as the neighbors around us, right like the other neighborhoods,
Speaker 2: the other neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: Who have who have fiber internet, you know a couple
Speaker 4: streets over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they incrementally, over decades and decades, installed all
Speaker 2: the infrastructure they needed to have telephone wires and to
Speaker 2: have DSL cables and cable from the cable company, and
Speaker 2: you know, fiber optics running through their streets and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. They incrementally got to the point where they are.
Speaker 2: But if all of a sudden, my neighborhood has the
Speaker 2: means to upgrade, do we have to go through all
Speaker 2: that other crap.
Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah. I think that's a great example to interject.
Speaker 3: We've talked about this previously, Like the leap frog technology
Speaker 3: argument is valid and it's powerful, and I love what
Speaker 3: you're bringing up all the perspective of other countries. So
Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution, especially as it metastasized, we could say
Speaker 3: it was able to get to these extremes of fossil
Speaker 3: fuel pollution and climate degradation, was able to do that
Speaker 3: by outsourcing a lot of the problems, a lot of
Speaker 3: the waste to these other countries who are now saying,
Speaker 3: you know, in so many international climate conversations, they're saying, well,
Speaker 3: how come you're changing the rules of the game when
Speaker 3: it's our turn at bat? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Why can't why can't? Right? Why why can't we enjoy
Speaker 3: the advantages that you had when you were outsourcing the
Speaker 3: consequences to us for generations? And to your point, Matt,
Speaker 3: about the idea, yes, the technology exists, is it expensive. Sure,
Speaker 3: but isn't the global economy kind of an ideological argument
Speaker 3: to begin with? And what about if we practice current economy?
Speaker 3: What about economy of scale? These kinds of solutions, like
Speaker 3: electric vehicles, desalination, they become increasingly affordable the more widespread
Speaker 3: they are. And with Saudi Arabia, you know, with this plan,
Speaker 3: which I do. I mean, it's nomenclature again, it's like
Speaker 3: the hypnosis conversation, right, what words do we choose? Is
Speaker 3: it a conspiracy or merely an economic decision on behalf
Speaker 3: of a state actor? Like the reality is that there
Speaker 3: are things that would be better on the African continent
Speaker 3: with how did they say it? They said something really
Speaker 3: slick in that article you shared by Carrington. They said,
Speaker 3: we're removing barrier. Right, a lot of people use it
Speaker 3: wood fired stoves, and that's terrible for the inside of
Speaker 3: your house. That's not great for forest which are already
Speaker 3: under threat. I mean, I see that there's an argument there,
Speaker 3: but also yeah, they definitely have an ulterior motive. Wasn't
Speaker 3: there that quote oh years and years back about the
Speaker 3: discovery of petroleum and the growth of petro based empires
Speaker 3: where some guy said, look, Yeah, I'm going to drive
Speaker 3: a Mercedes. My kids are going to drive a Mercedes,
Speaker 3: but my grandson is going to ride a pack animal.
Speaker 3: If we remain y Mars, if we remain reliant on
Speaker 3: fossil fuels, which are not an infinitely sustainable approach to life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the real heinous thing for me about all of
Speaker 2: this is because one of the primary criteria for this project,
Speaker 2: you take on a contract with another with another country. Again,
Speaker 2: have you got several keep talking about Rwanda. Nigeria is
Speaker 2: another country they're working with in Ethiopia. But one of
Speaker 2: the things that you have to have as a country
Speaker 2: to get into this program is a quote incremental demand potential,
Speaker 2: which means they're going to see a ton of growth
Speaker 2: as you get more and more of these petroleum products
Speaker 2: and again energy infrastructure plugged into your whole grid.
Speaker 3: Nigeria makes sense, of course, it's that Nigeria's experiencing explosive
Speaker 3: population and economic growth. That's like, you couldn't pick a
Speaker 3: better candidate, honestly.
Speaker 2: Well, sure, but it's again it is getting your hooks
Speaker 2: in as early as you can and making sure they're deep. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Who am I? Who are we to talk about this stuff?
Speaker 2: It's just it seems it seems wrong, I guess in
Speaker 2: some way. But at the same time, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels like a gray area to me.
Speaker 3: It's predatory. Is it not a geopolitical version of grooming?
Speaker 2: It is? I think you're right, But but it's what
Speaker 2: every large international company does. They get their hooks in you, right,
Speaker 2: I mean with phones with any text. Does that make
Speaker 2: it right?
Speaker 5: It's not right.
Speaker 4: The only way around it is for another giant corporation.
Speaker 4: Let's just say a Tesla or something to just give
Speaker 4: free Tesla's to like everybody over there, and and and.
Speaker 5: Still, and it's never going to happen. It's just not
Speaker 5: going to happen.
Speaker 4: There's no humanitarian uh effort that would be that large
Speaker 4: and just purely benevolent. It's just it's just too expensive.
Speaker 4: I don't think it would ever happen. And I'm only
Speaker 4: saying Teslacas they make electric cars. I know Elon wouldn't
Speaker 4: do anything like that.
Speaker 5: He's too greedy. I mean, I think, you know, I think.
Speaker 2: That would be insane giving giving away a bunch of
Speaker 2: really expensive vehicles, right, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4: Just saying, what's the alternative? Like, you know, you'd have
Speaker 4: to again give them an incentive. You'd have to set
Speaker 4: up a system where it made sense, or help build
Speaker 4: that infrastructure and make the cars more affordable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: But they're they're barely able to get get that technology
Speaker 4: sold to folks over here and make it stick over here.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it's taken ages. I just
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I don't mean to be doom and gloom about.
Speaker 4: I just don't see this is this is a business
Speaker 4: opportunity and nothing more.
Speaker 5: And that's how it's being treated. But yeah, it is
Speaker 5: super sketchy and gross.
Speaker 3: You mentioned three D chess, and of course let's get
Speaker 3: in front of the email. Yes, all chess is three D.
Speaker 3: You mentioned you mentioned this chess game, and I think
Speaker 3: you're right. No, because let's consider also that currently the
Speaker 3: government of China is the leader in the world of
Speaker 3: electric vehicle manufacturing. So if you are playing these reindeer games,
Speaker 3: and if you are Prince Ben Solman, then you are
Speaker 3: looking at how to guarantee continuity and power and had
Speaker 3: of money for your place, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 3: which is still very much oil reliant. You have to
Speaker 3: wonder what the government of China is thinking about these moves,
Speaker 3: and you got to wonder what kind of conversations those
Speaker 3: guys are having in the back rooms.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, According to a doubt, the only way this
Speaker 2: gets fixed is if rich nations, as we said that
Speaker 2: already went through all these processes that are now trying
Speaker 2: to be climate neutral and striving so are to do that,
Speaker 2: to invest large sums of money so that individual nations
Speaker 2: within Africa can can leap frog. But it would take
Speaker 2: a lot of that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously give everyone a Tesla thing is absurd,
Speaker 4: but that's what I was inching towards.
Speaker 5: And that's the only way, and I just don't see
Speaker 5: it happening. And yet we as a country give or
Speaker 5: invest in other countries if we want to participate in
Speaker 5: a coup or help out if it'll enrich us, but
Speaker 5: we don't really care about people's quality life or the freakin' planet.
Speaker 5: Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to learn more about this, everybody
Speaker 2: head on over Tomo Energy, dot gov, dot SA. All Right,
Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more strange.
Speaker 3: News, and we have returned at the top of this
Speaker 3: week's Strange News segment. We gave a disclaimer, hopefully a
Speaker 3: strong disclaimer. We're going to reiterate it now. The following
Speaker 3: story that you are about to hear is not appropriate
Speaker 3: for all audiences. It does contain incredibly disturbing, at times
Speaker 3: profoundly graphic descriptions of crimes that I am going to
Speaker 3: argue connect to a larger pattern. I'm not sure. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure whether you could quite call it a conspiracy,
Speaker 3: but it is a problem that will continue. There's a
Speaker 3: guy named David Fuller. I want to go to a
Speaker 3: Guardian article by Kevin Rawlinson, along with the help from
Speaker 3: the Guardian staff. This person, this monster, is a murderer,
Speaker 3: is a necrophiliac and for more than a decade, for
Speaker 3: like fifteen years, he got away with desecrating human bodies
Speaker 3: from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty without ever being caught.
Speaker 3: And this happened in the United Kingdom. He is currently
Speaker 3: considered to be the worst necrophiliac killer in British history.
Speaker 3: He abused the cadavers of more than one hundred women
Speaker 3: and female children. Because the hospital where he worked, or
Speaker 3: the series of hospitals where he worked as an electrician,
Speaker 3: just never bothered to check out him. To that earlier
Speaker 3: point about the at times necessity of security cameras in
Speaker 3: places like Disneyland, this came out right. This might sound
Speaker 3: like old beans to some folks, but this investigation that
Speaker 3: just came out, just got published, happens while this guy
Speaker 3: is already behind bars. He got what's called a whole
Speaker 3: life order, which in the United Kingdom means you go
Speaker 3: to jail and no matter what, you're going to die
Speaker 3: in jail. Even though they're not practicing the death penalty,
Speaker 3: they're removing you because you are a danger to society.
Speaker 3: The inquiry, led by a guy named Sir Jonathan Michael,
Speaker 3: said that over the years, again over a decade, there
Speaker 3: were multiple missed opportunities to not even investigate, to just
Speaker 3: acknowledge the evil behavior of this super creepy guy. He
Speaker 3: was apparently going beyond his contracted hours. He's going to
Speaker 3: places multiple times a day, he was taking tasks always
Speaker 3: in the mortuaries that were not necessary, and he was
Speaker 3: lying about what he was doing because he had chronic
Speaker 3: back problems so he could not carry out some of
Speaker 3: the work that he claimed to do. The police raided
Speaker 3: his home and they found that he had taken photographs
Speaker 3: as well as video footage of himself conducting these acts.
Speaker 3: And I think this will be surprising because quite a
Speaker 3: few of us outside of the United Kingdom have not
Speaker 3: heard of this guy. I mean, have you heard of
Speaker 3: him before? David Fuller, No.
Speaker 2: He went to trial in twenty twenty one and never
Speaker 2: heard of this guy. Seems like it seems like we would.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Is it shocking to think that like this is
Speaker 5: not newsworthy enough in this day and age.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. I think it was what
Speaker 2: is it? It's what Ben you said. The investigation just concluded.
Speaker 2: There's a trial in an investigation.
Speaker 3: Yes, so the trial. The trial pertained to the charges
Speaker 3: of murder, and so he was. He was sentenced to
Speaker 3: life in prison for the murders and degradation of two people.
Speaker 3: The inquiry comes like pretty much every sexual abuse case
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom, The inquiry comes well after the fact, right,
Speaker 3: The inquiry arrives as this guy is already locked up,
Speaker 3: he's no longer committing these evil, heinous acts. But I
Speaker 3: ask you, and I asked this in good faith. It's
Speaker 3: not a rhetorical question. Is this indicative of a larger
Speaker 3: pattern in the United Kingdom. I mean, in the notes
Speaker 3: I shared, I called it shadows of Savile, And we
Speaker 3: know what that refers to, right.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Saville, the children's doc show host. I guess who
Speaker 4: was a serial pedophile?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And necrophilia and necrophilia Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, okay, so I'm do we know if
Speaker 2: he was abusing people before they were dead like in
Speaker 2: other I guess I would. What I had read about
Speaker 2: him is that he was working in that morgue and
Speaker 2: desecrating the bodies that were found in the morgue between
Speaker 2: ages of nine and one hundred.
Speaker 3: Yes, and over one hundred people. We know that. So
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, when he gets convicted of the
Speaker 3: murders of Wendy Nell and Caroline Pierce, he had committed
Speaker 3: those murders over a series of months in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3: And it seems exceedingly rare, unfortunately, that creature of this
Speaker 3: ILK would commit two sexual assaults and murders and then
Speaker 3: just stop, you know, I mean, sure you can see
Speaker 3: a window of time where there's sort of a where
Speaker 3: they sort of go into a dwarper like Dennis Radar
Speaker 3: aka BTK killer, but they usually come back. So unfortunately,
Speaker 3: and we don't have solid proof for this, but unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it is highly likely that there were more things. A
Speaker 3: lot of these, a lot of these individuals build up
Speaker 3: to the murders. So we know this guy had a
Speaker 3: history of antisocial behavior that he kept under wraps. He
Speaker 3: had a criminal record for burglary I think a robbery.
Speaker 3: But it is if the precedent of these sorts of behaviors,
Speaker 3: if it can be applied to this guy, then it
Speaker 3: is almost certain that he probably sexually assaulted people earlier. Now,
Speaker 3: what's the primary difference? He is, as far as we know,
Speaker 3: not plugged into the higher ups, the posh, the aristocratic
Speaker 3: network that touched law enforcement and kept people like Cyril
Speaker 3: Smith and Jimmy Savile away from the consequences of their
Speaker 3: horrific crimes.
Speaker 4: This gives me thinking back to a conversation I had
Speaker 4: with my partner not terribly long ago about how, you know,
Speaker 4: oftentimes folks that commit these kinds of crimes were themselves
Speaker 4: victims of horrific acts of sexual violence, you know, from
Speaker 4: a very very early age, and it just, you know,
Speaker 4: to the point where it just skews their psyches, you know,
Speaker 4: absolutely beyond repair, especially if these things are never reported
Speaker 4: and there's never any intervention and stuff like that. Do
Speaker 4: you think cases like this are a psychological psychiatric issue
Speaker 4: or a criminal issue or both? Or like, where is
Speaker 4: the line? I just I'm always I'm fascinated by this,
Speaker 4: and I don't have an answer. I'm just I'm interested
Speaker 4: in what you guys think and also what you listeners
Speaker 4: out there think.
Speaker 3: But okay, I know those you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You can be both. You can have severe mental illness
Speaker 3: or a cognitive condition and still be very much such
Speaker 3: aware that what you are doing is a crime. So
Speaker 3: I would imagine that most of us, most of us
Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists tuning in this evening, can agree that
Speaker 3: the act of something like necrophilia is indicative of some
Speaker 3: sort of mental aberration. However, the question then becomes, how
Speaker 3: does a society deal with things like this? Right? Is
Speaker 3: it like the Is it like the old adage about
Speaker 3: how when you catch one bug or one rat, you
Speaker 3: know there are multiple other ones out there in the
Speaker 3: same area.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: This reminded me of I can't remember which one which
Speaker 3: of us did it, but there were there were a
Speaker 3: couple stories in the past about abuseive dead bodies in
Speaker 3: funeral homes in Georgia, and they weren't. They weren't doing
Speaker 3: the same sort of evil things, but they were putting
Speaker 3: them in mass graves like out the woods and stuff.
Speaker 5: That's a grift though, you know, they were trying to
Speaker 5: make money and.
Speaker 4: Not have to actually invest in the right things that
Speaker 4: that you know, would be what they were being paid for,
Speaker 4: right mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's still it goes back to the commonality then,
Speaker 3: is that it goes back to this series of assumptions
Speaker 3: that we seem to make in society about the protection
Speaker 3: of those who have passed on or their remains. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: shouldn't there I just sort of assumed that there were
Speaker 3: security and cameras in these environments, in these institutions. How
Speaker 3: on earth does someone get away with doing this kind
Speaker 3: of unclean vials for a decade and a half.
Speaker 5: Inside job excess.
Speaker 2: You got to think about when when they searched this
Speaker 2: home they found eight hundred thousand images right they were
Speaker 2: taken what they were taken inside those mores eight thousand eighteen.
Speaker 5: That's insane. I thought you were about to say no
Speaker 5: man no.
Speaker 2: Wow, and five hundred individual videos where again it's him
Speaker 2: doing act to dead bodies in these places where there
Speaker 2: are where there is no camera. But I think about,
Speaker 2: why would you need a camera in the room where
Speaker 2: the dead bodies are most of them that are inside, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like the what is the correct yeah.
Speaker 5: Things, Yeah, the old joke going anywhere, you.
Speaker 2: Know, But like I guess, I don't know why you
Speaker 2: wouldn't imagine the need for that security measure, right until
Speaker 2: you discover somebody like this guy and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: now we're gonna put cameras in every single one.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know. Another thing too, is that the United
Speaker 3: Kingdom is one of the most heavily surveilled populations of
Speaker 3: the world in terms of deployment of closed circuit television cameras,
Speaker 3: you know, like they have CCTV every where. We talked
Speaker 3: about this in previous episodes. And look, maybe this is
Speaker 3: one horrific, egregious thing that does not illustrate a pattern,
Speaker 3: but I ask you and I put this in the
Speaker 3: notes too, like think about think about things like the
Speaker 3: UK just has a terrible track record when it comes
Speaker 3: to these things. And yes, the names of the powerful
Speaker 3: people or the names of the monsters doing the most
Speaker 3: egregious crimes. Those always hit the headlines. But what about
Speaker 3: stuff like Operation yew Tree. What about the fact that
Speaker 3: over and over law enforcement fails to do its job
Speaker 3: and then has someone comment, oh, we should have an inquiry,
Speaker 3: and then the inquiry says far after the fact that
Speaker 3: there was some kind of negligence to the point of
Speaker 3: itself being criminal. But how far can this sort of
Speaker 3: pattern continue before the old chestnut of a a persistent
Speaker 3: lack of curiosity on the part of authorities, How long
Speaker 3: can that excuse or rationalization hold. You know what else
Speaker 3: is out there? It's scary, scary stuff.
Speaker 2: It is weird, man, because theoretically he was doing his job, right,
Speaker 2: isn't that the thing that he like? He was just
Speaker 2: going down to the morgue to perform job duties or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but off the clock, outside of working hours, there's
Speaker 3: a that's the problem. There's a line where he was
Speaker 3: he was visiting up to four hundred and forty four
Speaker 3: times a year. Geez, so multiple times day.
Speaker 5: What you doing?
Speaker 2: What you're doing down there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: That's all I would take.
Speaker 3: And how many people had the breakroom conversation where they
Speaker 3: were Like, damn that Dave, guys, he gives me the X.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's now gonna sound like I'm being a necrophiliac apologist,
Speaker 4: But like, do we know of any other acts, any
Speaker 4: potential going further than that and making the dead bodies himself?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I did it twice in the eighties, right, And what Ben?
Speaker 2: I think I totally agree with what you were saying.
Speaker 2: Somebody kills another human in nineteen eighty seven and they're
Speaker 2: just now in twenty times one getting in trouble for that.
Speaker 5: There's things that happen in the interim, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Very likely. I'm sorry I missed that.
Speaker 4: I feel like a dumb dumb No that no, And
Speaker 4: I would say that's where my mind goes.
Speaker 5: They're just now finding that out. What's the stuff they
Speaker 5: didn't find? Where are the other bodies buried?
Speaker 3: You know, exactly in one of again, the most surveilled
Speaker 3: populations on the planet. So is it a matter of
Speaker 3: a persistent lack of curiosity which is just a nicer
Speaker 3: way of saying wilful blindness and looking the other way?
Speaker 3: How come these people don't get caught until far after
Speaker 3: the fact. This is a similar question we could apply
Speaker 3: to institutions like the Catholic Church or indeed the Boy
Speaker 3: Scouts of America. And again we're not, of course, obviously
Speaker 3: we're not saying every priest is terrible. We're not saying
Speaker 3: every Scout master is a monster. But in the United
Speaker 3: Kingdom specifically, a lot of people seem to be getting
Speaker 3: away with a lot of very very obscene, unclean atrocities,
Speaker 3: like there're atrocities. And the Health Minister attempted to make
Speaker 3: a proactive statement and said Maria Caulfield apologized on behalf
Speaker 3: of the entirety of the UK government and the National
Speaker 3: Health Service or NHS, and said that this report has
Speaker 3: made for it's part of a two part independent inquiry.
Speaker 3: They said this report has made for quote heroin reading,
Speaker 3: and that lessons will be lernt and that no family
Speaker 3: has to go through this experience. Again, nice words, pretty words.
Speaker 3: They sounds sincere, But how would you feel knowing this
Speaker 3: pattern if you lived in this place. Can they really
Speaker 3: say no family has to go through this again? Do
Speaker 3: you really want to hear someone say lessons were learned,
Speaker 3: mistakes were made?
Speaker 5: How do you even quantify that kind of assurance?
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 5: You just can't.
Speaker 4: You just can't, especially when it's gone on for so long.
Speaker 4: I think you're kind of done. Your credibility is sunk
Speaker 4: at that point, right.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 3: You can read much more about this stuff that we
Speaker 3: are not going into detail in on the show. You
Speaker 3: can find full information about this. Also, we should say
Speaker 3: David Fuller is a pretty common name in the anglosphere,
Speaker 3: so it's so make good point. Look for the Yeah,
Speaker 3: I always I always think that when I whenever I
Speaker 3: read the story about one of these monsters and I
Speaker 3: think they have a common name, I'm always thinking, like, oh, like.
Speaker 5: Adolph in Germany megaular for a time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right? Or pole Pot Actually that was his
Speaker 3: street name. I think we mentioned this previously. Do you
Speaker 3: guys know Polepot's real name, like his boor name? I
Speaker 3: kid you not? Salath Sar? How sith? Lord? Does that suck?
Speaker 5: Sali Sar arguably creepier than Poulepot.
Speaker 3: I would say it's objectively creepier than pole Pot.
Speaker 5: Maybe he changed it because he needed to soften his
Speaker 5: image a little bit. It's very at least optically Lincoln paper.
Speaker 3: And then because he failed at those optics, he committed
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