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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realists. We took a

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Speaker 3: brief break last week and we are back at it.

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Speaker 3: So much stuff has happened. There's so much news out there.

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Speaker 3: Dare we say some of it is strange. We're going

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Speaker 3: to learn about We're going to learn about a real

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Speaker 3: global conspiracy in the Middle East. We're going to we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk a little bit about maybe freedom of

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Speaker 3: expression is a good way to put it, Nola, And

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Speaker 3: we do want to give you a warning at the

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Speaker 3: very top. Okay, there is an important story that we're

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Speaker 3: going to get to towards the end of this week's segment,

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Speaker 3: and it is not for everyone. It contained some very

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Speaker 3: graphic information. We've got your back. We're going to give

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Speaker 3: you a heads up before we get to it. We'll

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Speaker 3: make it clear so you'll know going in. But before

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Speaker 3: we do any of that, Noel, I hear Disney's been

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Speaker 3: on your mind lately.

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Speaker 4: When is it not, Man is the most magical place

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Speaker 4: on earth. And I have to say I hadn't been

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Speaker 4: to Disney World or Land since I was a very

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Speaker 4: small child. And I think I mentioned on the show

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Speaker 4: recently that earlier this year, my family and some close

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Speaker 4: friends and I went to Disney World in Florida and.

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Speaker 5: It was just awesome. I mean, I get what all

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Speaker 5: the fuss is about. It's a really cool place.

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Speaker 4: Like they even make waiting in line seem kind of fun.

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Speaker 4: And you know, since we're talking about that, before I

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Speaker 4: get into today's story, which is admittedly a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a shorty, did want to mention another line related

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Speaker 4: Disney story that I heard recently that apparently those lines

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Speaker 4: that I said are fun to wait in because there's

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Speaker 4: lots of stuff to look at. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 4: there aren't on those lines is places to use the bathroom.

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Speaker 4: And we did successfully. We had two young kids with us.

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Speaker 4: We were successfully able to get a cast members. They're

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Speaker 4: known in Disney parlance, to guide them in the parent

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Speaker 4: to a nearby facility through some back corridors. But apparently

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Speaker 4: a lot of people parents don't have the foresight to

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Speaker 5: M this is a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also this is weird too. I'm glad you

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Speaker 3: brought this up because some people may be unaware that

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Speaker 3: in different parts of the world it is totally normalized

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Speaker 3: to just have your have your kids defecate or pee

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Speaker 3: in the street or on the side of the road.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, you know, have you ever been

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Speaker 3: to a place where you're using a public restroom and

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Speaker 5: It's like, Ben, I love that you took this issue

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Speaker 6: I do appreciate, but I have to say, I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, I agree with you. I have

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Speaker 3: your back here. Like we we order must prevail, right,

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Speaker 3: we should poop in the assigned areas. I think is

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Speaker 4: And one of the more popular, well, probably because it's

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Speaker 4: I forget what it's called, something light where you ride

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Speaker 4: But there is a cove, like a little like alley

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying for some tourists from China.

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Speaker 5: No, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's a very good pointment, and I

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Speaker 5: Any any of the references. I would in my mind

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Speaker 4: Just picture like kind of entitled Buckhead Betty type moms,

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Speaker 4: there is definitely a and Buckhead Betty. By the way,

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Speaker 4: oftentimes when folks from that part of town venture, you know,

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Speaker 5: They're a little demanding.

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Speaker 4: They're the kind of people that will snap at you

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Speaker 7: Hither, gossol and they know what means boy. Carson means

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Speaker 7: boy exactly. Well, speaking of boys, there was a boy again,

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Speaker 7: dare we say? It was a segue of sorts, a

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Speaker 5: but it's this. There's this video of these these people

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Speaker 4: The gondolas on the it's a Small World ride at

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Speaker 4: And the one literal loudest voice in the room I

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, it's gonna break all the stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's got great abs, really good abs,

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Speaker 4: real lanky fellow. So this person is literally just shouting,

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Speaker 4: if it's a patron or an employee, You're gonna hurt yourself.

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Speaker 5: And then someone says he's gonna break all the stuff,

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Speaker 4: And then someone very kind of like great California way

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Speaker 4: hearing jingle bells and I think it is literally more

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Speaker 4: they're wearing shorts. It looks to be like boxer briefs

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Speaker 4: Looking at things very meticulously and bewilderedly simultaneously, which is

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Speaker 4: And you hear someone go idiot with all these kids around, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Maybe it was one of them. I love that one.

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Speaker 4: That's always a fun that's a great fun sounding and

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Speaker 3: And I love that you point out how quickly the

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Speaker 3: need to shout out our pal code name Doc Holliday's

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Speaker 3: episode on Disney with who was that with? Was that Lauren?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's insane though, because Okay, Noel,

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you. How often does stuff

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Speaker 5: Do you think more often than you'd think.

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Speaker 4: and we definitely done in the past. So like all

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Speaker 5: You know, some of the things that we debunked.

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Speaker 2: Can I guys just say something? Okay? I get this person,

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Speaker 5: Breaking you relate to this person.

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Speaker 2: I understand this person getting in trouble for breaking park

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Speaker 5: And we've built structures around these things.

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Speaker 4: And that's why even in like a lot of European cities,

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Speaker 2: And everybody in that bride is naked under their clothes.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we are turning our eyes to

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Speaker 2: The title is revealed Saudi Arabia's grand plan to quote

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Speaker 2: the same.

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Speaker 3: Thing with two different names. Okay, got it?

436
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Speaker 2: And you know it could be something that's lost in translation, right,

437
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 2: Going from Arabic to English, but I don't think it is.

438
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Speaker 2: And the reason why I don't think it is is

439
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: because there's this undercover investigation where journalists pretended to be

440
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: people who were interested in this program, so they basically

441
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: got the entire pitch from the Saudi government and officials there.

442
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: And that's that's why this is even a story, because

443
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: the way they talk about it to people who might

444
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: be interested in the program versus the way they sell

445
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: the program to the public, it's just so very vastly different.

446
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Speaker 2: And let's get this out of the way. This program

447
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: is overseen by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and it

448
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: involves the huge like the biggest oil companies in Saudi

449
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: Arabia and a Ramco is a name that you might remember.

450
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: These are the big players in oil. And I guess

451
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: that means in a way they're conspiring to do this

452
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: stuff because they are, you know, like I said, they

453
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Speaker 2: are giving a different public story than they are behind

454
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Speaker 2: closed doors. Let's get into what they're saying. The reporters

455
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: ask the people giving this presentation whether it was their

456
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Speaker 2: aim to quote artificially stimulate demand in key markets, and

457
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Speaker 2: they responded, quote yes, it's one of the main objectives

458
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Speaker 2: we're trying to accomplish. We don't believe it's possible that

459
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Speaker 2: developing countries can skip the fossil fuel phase, because in

460
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Speaker 2: order to implement electric vehicles, you'll need a ready infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: I want to pause here and ask you guys about

462
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Speaker 2: what you think of that. Do you think you have

463
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Speaker 2: to go through the development phases of what you would

464
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Speaker 2: need to have to run gas powered cars before you

465
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Speaker 2: can run electric powered cars?

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Speaker 3: The leap frog? Yeah, technology theory?

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, what do you Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.

468
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Speaker 2: I'm asking you guys, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: I guess I reiterate my posit. My previous question is

470
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Speaker 4: sort of like this is a business move. This is

471
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Speaker 4: like a three dimensional chess move, right, like to figure

472
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Speaker 4: out what the next phase of this legacy product is

473
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Speaker 4: that you're so invested in. So I don't quite understand

474
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Speaker 4: the question, like into the infrastructure already there?

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Speaker 2: No like what what what?

476
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Speaker 4: What's different about this than just traditional old selling petroleum.

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Speaker 2: Well, because they what Saudi Arabia wants to do is

478
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Speaker 2: invest in let's say Rwanda, and they want to build

479
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Speaker 2: a bunch of roads, right, the way the US builds.

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Speaker 4: Petroleum to like literally, let's let's let's move the the

481
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Speaker 4: gasoline guzzling vehicles to these other countries that don't have

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Speaker 4: the infrastructure yet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, according to the Saudi Arabian officials, roughly three percent

484
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Speaker 2: of people who live on the African continent own a vehicle,

485
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Speaker 2: so they want to make that number skyrocket and in

486
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Speaker 2: order to you know, have a vehicle. The type of

487
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Speaker 2: vehicle that they want to sell and they think they

488
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Speaker 2: can sell to people living in Africa are like a

489
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Speaker 2: very affordable small vehicle that they want to work with

490
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Speaker 2: manufacturers to create and then sell in whatever country that

491
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Speaker 2: they're partnering with in this case again Rwanda and a handful

492
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Speaker 2: of others. Let me jump back to the article here.

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Speaker 2: It says the projects are in three categories, transport, utilities,

494
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Speaker 2: and materials, with the third promoting the replacement of some cement,

495
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Speaker 2: steel and wood used in construction with oil derived plastics.

496
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Speaker 2: So again they want oil demand, right, So it's not

497
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Speaker 2: just a car that runs on oil, it's also a

498
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Speaker 2: power plant that runs on oil. It's also oil to

499
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Speaker 2: be used in the manufacturing of plastics for things like construction.

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Speaker 2: It's basically like, yeah, I get it, I get it.

501
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: They're saying to African countries, as you are developing our

502
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Speaker 2: direction and yeah, we'll give you a sweet deal, but

503
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Speaker 2: you got to get hooked on our oil and only.

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Speaker 5: Our drug pusher mentality.

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Speaker 2: Dude, bro, that is exact exactly a quote.

506
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Speaker 5: That's what it is getting them addicted.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly. For Mohammed Adao, he's the director of a

508
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: think tank called Power Shift Africa, and this is his quote.

509
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Speaker 2: The Saudi government is like a drug dealer trying to

510
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Speaker 2: get Africa hooked on its harmful product. The rest of

511
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: the world is weaning itself off dirty and polluting fossil fuels,

512
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia is getting desperate for more customers and

513
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: is turning its sits on Africa. I mean, that's the

514
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: way it feels to me. But again, if you're a

515
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Speaker 2: developing country, can you leapfrog those other technologies before you

516
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Speaker 2: just all of a sudden have electric vehicles, all of

517
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Speaker 2: a sudden, have sustainable energy.

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Speaker 5: We want nice things too, we want.

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Speaker 4: Cars, we want to be able to do all these

520
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: things the rest of the world's been doing for however long.

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Speaker 4: And you're saying because of pollution. We're not able to

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Speaker 4: do that. From their perspective, I would argue that would

523
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: be like, that's bullshit. We get to do You guys

524
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: did have been doing this for years.

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Speaker 2: But it's weird because there is brand new technology that

526
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 2: could leap that exists.

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Speaker 5: Though, isn't it more expensive?

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Speaker 2: It is more expensive, But you know, I'm not somebody

529
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: who can make policy decisions or understand or where money

530
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: would actually flow to make this happen, But it does

531
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Speaker 2: seem as though you wouldn't have to do that. The

532
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Speaker 2: example I have in my head has to do with

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Speaker 2: communications technology, and I imagine living in a neighborhood where

534
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, my neighborhood still has telegraphs and

535
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: that's all we've got because we haven't done as well

536
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Speaker 2: as the neighbors around us, right like the other neighborhoods,

537
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Speaker 2: the other neighborhoods.

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Speaker 4: Who have who have fiber internet, you know a couple

539
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Speaker 4: streets over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they incrementally, over decades and decades, installed all

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure they needed to have telephone wires and to

542
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Speaker 2: have DSL cables and cable from the cable company, and

543
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: you know, fiber optics running through their streets and all

544
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Speaker 2: that stuff. They incrementally got to the point where they are.

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Speaker 2: But if all of a sudden, my neighborhood has the

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Speaker 2: means to upgrade, do we have to go through all

547
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Speaker 2: that other crap.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah. I think that's a great example to interject.

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00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: We've talked about this previously, Like the leap frog technology

550
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: argument is valid and it's powerful, and I love what

551
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: you're bringing up all the perspective of other countries. So

552
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution, especially as it metastasized, we could say

553
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: it was able to get to these extremes of fossil

554
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: fuel pollution and climate degradation, was able to do that

555
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: by outsourcing a lot of the problems, a lot of

556
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: the waste to these other countries who are now saying,

557
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, in so many international climate conversations, they're saying, well,

558
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Speaker 3: how come you're changing the rules of the game when

559
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: it's our turn at bat? You know what I mean?

560
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Speaker 3: Why can't why can't? Right? Why why can't we enjoy

561
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: the advantages that you had when you were outsourcing the

562
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Speaker 3: consequences to us for generations? And to your point, Matt,

563
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Speaker 3: about the idea, yes, the technology exists, is it expensive. Sure,

564
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Speaker 3: but isn't the global economy kind of an ideological argument

565
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: to begin with? And what about if we practice current economy?

566
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Speaker 3: What about economy of scale? These kinds of solutions, like

567
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: electric vehicles, desalination, they become increasingly affordable the more widespread

568
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Speaker 3: they are. And with Saudi Arabia, you know, with this plan,

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Speaker 3: which I do. I mean, it's nomenclature again, it's like

570
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Speaker 3: the hypnosis conversation, right, what words do we choose? Is

571
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Speaker 3: it a conspiracy or merely an economic decision on behalf

572
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Speaker 3: of a state actor? Like the reality is that there

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Speaker 3: are things that would be better on the African continent

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Speaker 3: with how did they say it? They said something really

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Speaker 3: slick in that article you shared by Carrington. They said,

576
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Speaker 3: we're removing barrier. Right, a lot of people use it

577
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: wood fired stoves, and that's terrible for the inside of

578
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: your house. That's not great for forest which are already

579
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Speaker 3: under threat. I mean, I see that there's an argument there,

580
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: but also yeah, they definitely have an ulterior motive. Wasn't

581
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: there that quote oh years and years back about the

582
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Speaker 3: discovery of petroleum and the growth of petro based empires

583
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Speaker 3: where some guy said, look, Yeah, I'm going to drive

584
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Speaker 3: a Mercedes. My kids are going to drive a Mercedes,

585
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: but my grandson is going to ride a pack animal.

586
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: If we remain y Mars, if we remain reliant on

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Speaker 3: fossil fuels, which are not an infinitely sustainable approach to life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the real heinous thing for me about all of

589
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Speaker 2: this is because one of the primary criteria for this project,

590
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Speaker 2: you take on a contract with another with another country. Again,

591
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Speaker 2: have you got several keep talking about Rwanda. Nigeria is

592
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Speaker 2: another country they're working with in Ethiopia. But one of

593
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Speaker 2: the things that you have to have as a country

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Speaker 2: to get into this program is a quote incremental demand potential,

595
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Speaker 2: which means they're going to see a ton of growth

596
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Speaker 2: as you get more and more of these petroleum products

597
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: and again energy infrastructure plugged into your whole grid.

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Speaker 3: Nigeria makes sense, of course, it's that Nigeria's experiencing explosive

599
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: population and economic growth. That's like, you couldn't pick a

600
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Speaker 3: better candidate, honestly.

601
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Speaker 2: Well, sure, but it's again it is getting your hooks

602
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 2: in as early as you can and making sure they're deep. Whatever.

603
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: Who am I? Who are we to talk about this stuff?

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Speaker 2: It's just it seems it seems wrong, I guess in

605
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: some way. But at the same time, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a gray area to me.

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Speaker 3: It's predatory. Is it not a geopolitical version of grooming?

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Speaker 2: It is? I think you're right, But but it's what

609
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: every large international company does. They get their hooks in you, right,

610
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Speaker 2: I mean with phones with any text. Does that make

611
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Speaker 2: it right?

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Speaker 5: It's not right.

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Speaker 4: The only way around it is for another giant corporation.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say a Tesla or something to just give

615
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Speaker 4: free Tesla's to like everybody over there, and and and.

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Speaker 5: Still, and it's never going to happen. It's just not

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Speaker 5: going to happen.

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Speaker 4: There's no humanitarian uh effort that would be that large

619
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Speaker 4: and just purely benevolent. It's just it's just too expensive.

620
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Speaker 4: I don't think it would ever happen. And I'm only

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Speaker 4: saying Teslacas they make electric cars. I know Elon wouldn't

622
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Speaker 4: do anything like that.

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Speaker 5: He's too greedy. I mean, I think, you know, I think.

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Speaker 2: That would be insane giving giving away a bunch of

625
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: really expensive vehicles, right, I mean, I'm.

626
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Speaker 4: Just saying, what's the alternative? Like, you know, you'd have

627
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Speaker 4: to again give them an incentive. You'd have to set

628
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Speaker 4: up a system where it made sense, or help build

629
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Speaker 4: that infrastructure and make the cars more affordable.

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Speaker 3: You know.

631
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Speaker 4: But they're they're barely able to get get that technology

632
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Speaker 4: sold to folks over here and make it stick over here.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it's taken ages. I just

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I don't mean to be doom and gloom about.

635
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Speaker 4: I just don't see this is this is a business

636
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: opportunity and nothing more.

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Speaker 5: And that's how it's being treated. But yeah, it is

638
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Speaker 5: super sketchy and gross.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned three D chess, and of course let's get

640
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Speaker 3: in front of the email. Yes, all chess is three D.

641
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: You mentioned you mentioned this chess game, and I think

642
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Speaker 3: you're right. No, because let's consider also that currently the

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Speaker 3: government of China is the leader in the world of

644
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: electric vehicle manufacturing. So if you are playing these reindeer games,

645
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: and if you are Prince Ben Solman, then you are

646
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Speaker 3: looking at how to guarantee continuity and power and had

647
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: of money for your place, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

648
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: which is still very much oil reliant. You have to

649
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Speaker 3: wonder what the government of China is thinking about these moves,

650
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Speaker 3: and you got to wonder what kind of conversations those

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Speaker 3: guys are having in the back rooms.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, According to a doubt, the only way this

653
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Speaker 2: gets fixed is if rich nations, as we said that

654
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 2: already went through all these processes that are now trying

655
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: to be climate neutral and striving so are to do that,

656
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: to invest large sums of money so that individual nations

657
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: within Africa can can leap frog. But it would take

658
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Speaker 2: a lot of that's what I'm saying.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously give everyone a Tesla thing is absurd,

660
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Speaker 4: but that's what I was inching towards.

661
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Speaker 5: And that's the only way, and I just don't see

662
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: it happening. And yet we as a country give or

663
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Speaker 5: invest in other countries if we want to participate in

664
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 5: a coup or help out if it'll enrich us, but

665
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 5: we don't really care about people's quality life or the freakin' planet.

666
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: Let's just be honest.

667
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to learn more about this, everybody

668
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: head on over Tomo Energy, dot gov, dot SA. All Right,

669
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Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more strange.

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Speaker 3: News, and we have returned at the top of this

671
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Speaker 3: week's Strange News segment. We gave a disclaimer, hopefully a

672
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: strong disclaimer. We're going to reiterate it now. The following

673
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: story that you are about to hear is not appropriate

674
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: for all audiences. It does contain incredibly disturbing, at times

675
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: profoundly graphic descriptions of crimes that I am going to

676
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: argue connect to a larger pattern. I'm not sure. I'm

677
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: not sure whether you could quite call it a conspiracy,

678
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: but it is a problem that will continue. There's a

679
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: guy named David Fuller. I want to go to a

680
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: Guardian article by Kevin Rawlinson, along with the help from

681
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: the Guardian staff. This person, this monster, is a murderer,

682
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: is a necrophiliac and for more than a decade, for

683
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: like fifteen years, he got away with desecrating human bodies

684
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty without ever being caught.

685
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 3: And this happened in the United Kingdom. He is currently

686
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: considered to be the worst necrophiliac killer in British history.

687
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: He abused the cadavers of more than one hundred women

688
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: and female children. Because the hospital where he worked, or

689
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: the series of hospitals where he worked as an electrician,

690
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: just never bothered to check out him. To that earlier

691
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: point about the at times necessity of security cameras in

692
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 3: places like Disneyland, this came out right. This might sound

693
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: like old beans to some folks, but this investigation that

694
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: just came out, just got published, happens while this guy

695
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: is already behind bars. He got what's called a whole

696
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: life order, which in the United Kingdom means you go

697
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: to jail and no matter what, you're going to die

698
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: in jail. Even though they're not practicing the death penalty,

699
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: they're removing you because you are a danger to society.

700
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: The inquiry, led by a guy named Sir Jonathan Michael,

701
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: said that over the years, again over a decade, there

702
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: were multiple missed opportunities to not even investigate, to just

703
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: acknowledge the evil behavior of this super creepy guy. He

704
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: was apparently going beyond his contracted hours. He's going to

705
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: places multiple times a day, he was taking tasks always

706
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: in the mortuaries that were not necessary, and he was

707
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: lying about what he was doing because he had chronic

708
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: back problems so he could not carry out some of

709
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: the work that he claimed to do. The police raided

710
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: his home and they found that he had taken photographs

711
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: as well as video footage of himself conducting these acts.

712
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: And I think this will be surprising because quite a

713
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: few of us outside of the United Kingdom have not

714
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: heard of this guy. I mean, have you heard of

715
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: him before? David Fuller, No.

716
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: He went to trial in twenty twenty one and never

717
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: heard of this guy. Seems like it seems like we would.

718
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

719
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Is it shocking to think that like this is

720
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Speaker 5: not newsworthy enough in this day and age.

721
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. I think it was what

722
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: is it? It's what Ben you said. The investigation just concluded.

723
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Speaker 2: There's a trial in an investigation.

724
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Speaker 3: Yes, so the trial. The trial pertained to the charges

725
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: of murder, and so he was. He was sentenced to

726
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Speaker 3: life in prison for the murders and degradation of two people.

727
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Speaker 3: The inquiry comes like pretty much every sexual abuse case

728
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom, The inquiry comes well after the fact, right,

729
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: The inquiry arrives as this guy is already locked up,

730
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: he's no longer committing these evil, heinous acts. But I

731
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: ask you, and I asked this in good faith. It's

732
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Speaker 3: not a rhetorical question. Is this indicative of a larger

733
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 3: pattern in the United Kingdom. I mean, in the notes

734
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Speaker 3: I shared, I called it shadows of Savile, And we

735
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: know what that refers to, right.

736
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Saville, the children's doc show host. I guess who

737
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 4: was a serial pedophile?

738
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Speaker 5: Right?

739
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Speaker 3: And necrophilia and necrophilia Jesus Christ.

740
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, okay, so I'm do we know if

741
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: he was abusing people before they were dead like in

742
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: other I guess I would. What I had read about

743
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: him is that he was working in that morgue and

744
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: desecrating the bodies that were found in the morgue between

745
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: ages of nine and one hundred.

746
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and over one hundred people. We know that. So

747
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, when he gets convicted of the

748
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: murders of Wendy Nell and Caroline Pierce, he had committed

749
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Speaker 3: those murders over a series of months in nineteen eighty seven.

750
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Speaker 3: And it seems exceedingly rare, unfortunately, that creature of this

751
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: ILK would commit two sexual assaults and murders and then

752
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: just stop, you know, I mean, sure you can see

753
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: a window of time where there's sort of a where

754
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: they sort of go into a dwarper like Dennis Radar

755
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: aka BTK killer, but they usually come back. So unfortunately,

756
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: and we don't have solid proof for this, but unfortunately,

757
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: it is highly likely that there were more things. A

758
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: lot of these, a lot of these individuals build up

759
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: to the murders. So we know this guy had a

760
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: history of antisocial behavior that he kept under wraps. He

761
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: had a criminal record for burglary I think a robbery.

762
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Speaker 3: But it is if the precedent of these sorts of behaviors,

763
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: if it can be applied to this guy, then it

764
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Speaker 3: is almost certain that he probably sexually assaulted people earlier. Now,

765
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: what's the primary difference? He is, as far as we know,

766
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Speaker 3: not plugged into the higher ups, the posh, the aristocratic

767
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: network that touched law enforcement and kept people like Cyril

768
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: Smith and Jimmy Savile away from the consequences of their

769
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: horrific crimes.

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Speaker 4: This gives me thinking back to a conversation I had

771
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Speaker 4: with my partner not terribly long ago about how, you know,

772
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: oftentimes folks that commit these kinds of crimes were themselves

773
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: victims of horrific acts of sexual violence, you know, from

774
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: a very very early age, and it just, you know,

775
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: to the point where it just skews their psyches, you know,

776
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: absolutely beyond repair, especially if these things are never reported

777
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: and there's never any intervention and stuff like that. Do

778
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: you think cases like this are a psychological psychiatric issue

779
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: or a criminal issue or both? Or like, where is

780
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: the line? I just I'm always I'm fascinated by this,

781
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: and I don't have an answer. I'm just I'm interested

782
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: in what you guys think and also what you listeners

783
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: out there think.

784
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: But okay, I know those you know what I mean.

785
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: You can be both. You can have severe mental illness

786
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: or a cognitive condition and still be very much such

787
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: aware that what you are doing is a crime. So

788
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: I would imagine that most of us, most of us

789
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists tuning in this evening, can agree that

790
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: the act of something like necrophilia is indicative of some

791
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: sort of mental aberration. However, the question then becomes, how

792
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: does a society deal with things like this? Right? Is

793
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: it like the Is it like the old adage about

794
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: how when you catch one bug or one rat, you

795
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: know there are multiple other ones out there in the

796
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: same area.

797
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Speaker 5: You know.

798
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Speaker 3: This reminded me of I can't remember which one which

799
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: of us did it, but there were there were a

800
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Speaker 3: couple stories in the past about abuseive dead bodies in

801
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: funeral homes in Georgia, and they weren't. They weren't doing

802
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: the same sort of evil things, but they were putting

803
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: them in mass graves like out the woods and stuff.

804
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 5: That's a grift though, you know, they were trying to

805
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 5: make money and.

806
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 4: Not have to actually invest in the right things that

807
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: that you know, would be what they were being paid for,

808
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: right mm hmm.

809
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's still it goes back to the commonality then,

810
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: is that it goes back to this series of assumptions

811
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: that we seem to make in society about the protection

812
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: of those who have passed on or their remains. I mean, like,

813
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: shouldn't there I just sort of assumed that there were

814
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: security and cameras in these environments, in these institutions. How

815
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: on earth does someone get away with doing this kind

816
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: of unclean vials for a decade and a half.

817
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Speaker 5: Inside job excess.

818
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: You got to think about when when they searched this

819
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: home they found eight hundred thousand images right they were

820
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: taken what they were taken inside those mores eight thousand eighteen.

821
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 5: That's insane. I thought you were about to say no

822
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 5: man no.

823
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: Wow, and five hundred individual videos where again it's him

824
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: doing act to dead bodies in these places where there

825
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: are where there is no camera. But I think about,

826
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: why would you need a camera in the room where

827
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: the dead bodies are most of them that are inside, Yeah,

828
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, like the what is the correct yeah.

829
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Speaker 5: Things, Yeah, the old joke going anywhere, you.

830
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Know, But like I guess, I don't know why you

831
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't imagine the need for that security measure, right until

832
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: you discover somebody like this guy and you're like, well,

833
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: now we're gonna put cameras in every single one.

834
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah you know. Another thing too, is that the United

835
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: Kingdom is one of the most heavily surveilled populations of

836
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: the world in terms of deployment of closed circuit television cameras,

837
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: you know, like they have CCTV every where. We talked

838
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: about this in previous episodes. And look, maybe this is

839
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: one horrific, egregious thing that does not illustrate a pattern,

840
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: but I ask you and I put this in the

841
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: notes too, like think about think about things like the

842
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: UK just has a terrible track record when it comes

843
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: to these things. And yes, the names of the powerful

844
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: people or the names of the monsters doing the most

845
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: egregious crimes. Those always hit the headlines. But what about

846
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: stuff like Operation yew Tree. What about the fact that

847
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: over and over law enforcement fails to do its job

848
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: and then has someone comment, oh, we should have an inquiry,

849
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: and then the inquiry says far after the fact that

850
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: there was some kind of negligence to the point of

851
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: itself being criminal. But how far can this sort of

852
00:47:54,320 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: pattern continue before the old chestnut of a a persistent

853
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: lack of curiosity on the part of authorities, How long

854
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 3: can that excuse or rationalization hold. You know what else

855
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: is out there? It's scary, scary stuff.

856
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: It is weird, man, because theoretically he was doing his job, right,

857
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: isn't that the thing that he like? He was just

858
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: going down to the morgue to perform job duties or something.

859
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but off the clock, outside of working hours, there's

860
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: a that's the problem. There's a line where he was

861
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: he was visiting up to four hundred and forty four

862
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: times a year. Geez, so multiple times day.

863
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: What you doing?

864
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: What you're doing down there?

865
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: Right?

866
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: That's all I would take.

867
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: And how many people had the breakroom conversation where they

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Speaker 3: were Like, damn that Dave, guys, he gives me the X.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, She's now gonna sound like I'm being a necrophiliac apologist,

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Speaker 4: But like, do we know of any other acts, any

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Speaker 4: potential going further than that and making the dead bodies himself?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I did it twice in the eighties, right, And what Ben?

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Speaker 2: I think I totally agree with what you were saying.

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Speaker 2: Somebody kills another human in nineteen eighty seven and they're

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Speaker 2: just now in twenty times one getting in trouble for that.

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Speaker 5: There's things that happen in the interim, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: Very likely. I'm sorry I missed that.

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Speaker 4: I feel like a dumb dumb No that no, And

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Speaker 4: I would say that's where my mind goes.

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Speaker 5: They're just now finding that out. What's the stuff they

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Speaker 5: didn't find? Where are the other bodies buried?

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Speaker 3: You know, exactly in one of again, the most surveilled

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Speaker 3: populations on the planet. So is it a matter of

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Speaker 3: a persistent lack of curiosity which is just a nicer

887
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Speaker 3: way of saying wilful blindness and looking the other way?

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Speaker 3: How come these people don't get caught until far after

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Speaker 3: the fact. This is a similar question we could apply

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Speaker 3: to institutions like the Catholic Church or indeed the Boy

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Speaker 3: Scouts of America. And again we're not, of course, obviously

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Speaker 3: we're not saying every priest is terrible. We're not saying

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Speaker 3: every Scout master is a monster. But in the United

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Speaker 3: Kingdom specifically, a lot of people seem to be getting

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Speaker 3: away with a lot of very very obscene, unclean atrocities,

896
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Speaker 3: like there're atrocities. And the Health Minister attempted to make

897
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Speaker 3: a proactive statement and said Maria Caulfield apologized on behalf

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Speaker 3: of the entirety of the UK government and the National

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Speaker 3: Health Service or NHS, and said that this report has

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Speaker 3: made for it's part of a two part independent inquiry.

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Speaker 3: They said this report has made for quote heroin reading,

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Speaker 3: and that lessons will be lernt and that no family

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Speaker 3: has to go through this experience. Again, nice words, pretty words.

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Speaker 3: They sounds sincere, But how would you feel knowing this

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Speaker 3: pattern if you lived in this place. Can they really

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Speaker 3: say no family has to go through this again? Do

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Speaker 3: you really want to hear someone say lessons were learned,

908
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Speaker 3: mistakes were made?

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Speaker 5: How do you even quantify that kind of assurance?

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: You just can't.

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Speaker 4: You just can't, especially when it's gone on for so long.

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Speaker 4: I think you're kind of done. Your credibility is sunk

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Speaker 4: at that point, right.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 3: You can read much more about this stuff that we

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Speaker 3: are not going into detail in on the show. You

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Speaker 3: can find full information about this. Also, we should say

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Speaker 3: David Fuller is a pretty common name in the anglosphere,

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Speaker 3: so it's so make good point. Look for the Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I always I always think that when I whenever I

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Speaker 3: read the story about one of these monsters and I

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Speaker 3: think they have a common name, I'm always thinking, like, oh, like.

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Speaker 5: Adolph in Germany megaular for a time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right? Or pole Pot Actually that was his

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Speaker 3: street name. I think we mentioned this previously. Do you

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Speaker 3: guys know Polepot's real name, like his boor name? I

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Speaker 3: kid you not? Salath Sar? How sith? Lord? Does that suck?

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Speaker 5: Sali Sar arguably creepier than Poulepot.

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Speaker 3: I would say it's objectively creepier than pole Pot.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he changed it because he needed to soften his

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Speaker 5: image a little bit. It's very at least optically Lincoln paper.

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Speaker 3: And then because he failed at those optics, he committed

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Speaker 3: mass murder on people who wore glasses. That is part

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Speaker 3: of the true story of the killing fields we are

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Speaker 3: we're going to call it here. We want to know,

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Speaker 3: especially if you live in the United Kingdom. We want

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Speaker 3: you to let us know if you do see a

939
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Speaker 3: pattern of maybe not maybe not cover ups, but maybe

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Speaker 3: some sort of wilful negligence or criminal criminal criminals, criminal mischief.

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