1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Ooh, Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. I hope all of you had fantastic 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: weekends and are ready to roll with us for the 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: next five days of what promises to be a very, 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: very consequential week as we continue to follow several different stories. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: What is going to happen in Israel with Hamas? When 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: might the ground invasion begin? We will discuss to start 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: the show here. Momentarily, nine different members of the House 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: of Representatives, the Republican Caucus have thrown their hats into 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: the ring to potentially be the next Speaker of the 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: House as the ongoing mess that exists inside of the 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: House continues to build. The New York Times has apologized 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: for believing Hamas when they said that a rocket struck 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: a hospital and killed five hundred people and uncritically parroting 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: what is clearly a terrorist propaganda. We will discuss all 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: that and more, plus in a much less serious fashion. 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Buck has a puppy, and I'm not sure if he's 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: going to be able to handle a puppy as he 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: potentially prepares for fatherhood. Going forward, we will discuss. But 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: how's the puppy? By the way, right off the top, 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: what is the name of the puppy? Let's start with 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: good news this week. You have a puppy. It's hard 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: to be anti puppy. What is the puppy's name, Ginger? 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: She's very Pictures are up at the website. What kind 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: of dog is Ginger? An Australian Labradoodle. Okay, don't I 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: remember we talked about this. That is a very specific breed. 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: Pictures are up on the website. The website will now 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: be flooded. So if you are feeling stressed by all 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: of the hyper serious news that is currently underway by 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: US potentially having a full grown conflagration of war breaking 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: out on many fronts in the Middle East, but we 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: got in Europe and who knows what China is going 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to do. If all that's got you down, the puppy 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: is really cute, you can go check it. 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: Out clanbuck dot com. 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: Photos are um yes, all right, Buck, let's talk about 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: the serious stuff now. But again, there are puppy pictures up. 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: If you need a relief from the serious things that 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: are going on. Things have gotten so bad. You know, 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: you want to talk about disinformation. You want to talk 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: about misinformation. People who are out there defending Hamas and 43 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: arguing that Israel is unjustified, and their response have been 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: incessant in their questioning of any report that has come 45 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: down about the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on the fourteen 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: hundred Israelis who were slaughtered in their terror attack of 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: October seventh, that drum beat of criticism like I don't 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: even know I go in my mentions, buck, and when 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: I said that forty kids were beheaded or whatever, and 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: there were you know, bodies discarded, there are now people saying, well, 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: their heads weren't chopped off till after they were already dead. 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Maybe their heads weren't fully severed. I'm thinking of myself, 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: is this really the common Remember we had the reporter 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: on who initially brought that news, which much of it 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: has been confirmed, And regardless of the manner and method 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: in which these young innocence met their demise, they shared 57 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: some images, unfortunately, of babies that have been burned to death. 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the kids are dead, and this is a 59 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: terror attack. And so the way that these stories are 60 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: being attacked is super strange. But the Israeli government, yeah, 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: buck no. 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: Saying it's really government has released unedited video of and 63 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: I've seen some of it, and I would tell everybody 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: again it's you know, it's the kind of stuff that 65 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: will haunt you. So I want every to be very clear. 66 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: I'm not a big gen generally, I'm not a content 67 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: warning person. I think that you know, adults can handle 68 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: the realities of the world and life around us as 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: ugly and horrific as it can be. This goes to 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: the worst kind of things imaginable, and it is on video. 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: It's on video. It should be understood because Hamas wanted 72 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: it on video. Yeah, because they were celebrating this, which 73 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: also goes to, you know, part of the spasm of 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: denial and all the you know, yes, there's all this 75 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: anti semitism that we've seen that I think is a 76 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: shock even to people that were aware that anti Semitism 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: was very much still a global phenomenon and something that 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: needs to be fought against. I think the depth of 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: the anti semitism here in America, specifically in some of 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: the institutions, has been if not a shock, certainly well 81 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: a shock and a wake up call. But Clay, there's 82 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: also I think a moment here where the people who 83 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: are ideologically invested in the Palestinian cause are trying to 84 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: The reason they're denying the reality of what happened here 85 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: is that there is a moral clarity in this moment 86 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: that exceeds even what we have seen in this conflict 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: in the past. We know who the good guys are, 88 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: we know who the bad guys are. Israel is the 89 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: good guy. The IDF Hamas is the bad guy. And 90 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: I know that can sound simplistic, but it's important to 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: understand the most simple concepts here because there are a 92 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: lot of people that are trying to confuse things and 93 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: conflate things. What Israel is about to do and there 94 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: were hundreds of air strikes in just the last few 95 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: days in Gaza. There is a humanitarian corridor that has 96 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: opened up in the south to get aid and supplies 97 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: to the civilians to some degree. But Clay, this is 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: the definition of a just war. What Israel is about 99 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: to do is the definition of a just war if 100 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: you look at just war theory of justified conflict. And 101 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: that's why you see this artists call for ceasefire. This 102 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: you see this. This is of all these celebrities that 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: are saying, oh, now it's time for a ceasefire. No, 104 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: you can't have a cease fire in the aftermath of 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if someone called for a ceasefire right 106 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: after nine to eleven. That is what this is basically, 107 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: except it's for Israel instead of the United States. I 108 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: think that people can't actually psychologically those who are you know, 109 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: pro Palestinian and it's part of their identity to be 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: part to be supporting the victimhood class here Clay, I 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: think that they can't psychologically accept that there's no coming 112 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: back from this, that Hamas has to be destroyed. 113 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: It's a cognitive dissonance, I think in many ways because 114 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: so many people have been taught that there is good 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: and evil, and they classify good and evil in this 116 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: crazy I think for some of us who were older 117 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: that didn't grow up in this sort of cultural zech 118 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: guest of the moment, but this idea that if you 119 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: are a colonizer, you are somehow guilty of everything, and 120 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: if you have been colonized, you can get away with anything. 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: And it is this basic construct that creates if you're 122 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: a white European of white European descent. You are evil 123 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Western civilization, which actually gave us virtually every bit of 124 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: modern day progress. In this retelling is actually a usurpation 125 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: of minority rights and life. But what it leads to, 126 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Buck is and I think this is all tied together. 127 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: They have to actually release these graphic videos in order 128 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: to combat those who would say they did not exist. 129 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: And this is Trey Yengst who's been covering things this 130 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: war in Israel for Fox News. He was one of 131 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the journalists that watched these videos and Buck, you'll remember, 132 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I think it was two weeks ago I shared the 133 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: photos that the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force put out 134 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: to allow people to be able to see these young 135 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: children who were victimized. They just wanted to share examples 136 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: of it because people were saying this wasn't true. Here 137 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: is Trey Yanks describing what he saw. 138 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: I do need to warn our viewers. What I am 139 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: about to describe is incredibly graphic, but it gives new 140 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: details on what took place two weeks ago. In the video, 141 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: you see a Hamas militant. He is in a white 142 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: cloth jumpsuit sitting across from an Israeli interrogator. In the video, 143 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: he describes the preparation and coordination for this assault on 144 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: southern Israel. He says commanders told them to step on 145 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: the heads of civilians, to behead them, and do whatever 146 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: they felt like. And he said, we became animals things 147 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 3: that humans do not do. And when the interrogator asked 148 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: him what type of things did you do to these 149 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: civilians after you killed them? He described them And we 150 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: can't describe them to you because they are too graphic 151 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: to explain on television. 152 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: Clay, there's there's no coming back from this for those 153 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: who are Hama sympathizers and those who will excuse anything 154 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: for the Palestinian cause. Uh, this is the ultimate red line. 155 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: And I think that's why you've seen you know, there 156 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: are big pro big pro Palestinian protesting. 157 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: We got a clip in Brooklyn. I was going to 158 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: play this. I think cut six. They're in Brooklyn. Uh, 159 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: listen to this, Clay. 160 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: This is this is a retreat, a literal retreat to 161 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: the talking points here on this on this issue. The 162 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: people who are are you know, pro Palestinian, and there's 163 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: varying degrees of anti Semitism that that comes along with 164 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: depending on who we're talking about, what the group is 165 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: that there's They think that this is like the old 166 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: days where there'd be an attack and then a reprisal. 167 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: Then hey, maybe the UN can come in, there'll be 168 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: some resolution, we'll figure something out. Offers of two states 169 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: have been made numerous times. Hamas and the various Palestinian 170 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: groups will not accept it. And Israel decided it was 171 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: just going to try to secure itself, and Israel pulled 172 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 2: out of Gaza, and now you have the biggest loss 173 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: of life of I should say, the biggest murder of 174 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: Jews since the Holocaust. And people who are on the 175 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 2: Palestinian side of this equation think that somehow they can 176 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: just go back to the way things were before, right 177 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: like this oppressive Israeli entity, you know, the apartheid state, 178 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: all all the stuff, all the college campus rhetoric and 179 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: the far left stuff that you see. No, I mean, 180 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: Hamas has now, with what it has done, set in 181 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: motion what must be a very thorough encourasion into Gaza 182 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: that is going to destroy Hamas entirely. There is no 183 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: other way. And so all these calls for cespar all 184 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: this stuff, Clay, it's it's it's absurd, it's actually it's 185 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: actually immoral totally. 186 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: And what they're chanting, by the way, in Brooklyn settler 187 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: settlers go back home, and again it's this whole idea 188 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: of colonizer and I think a lot of our listeners, 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: even because Buck this is on, this whole idea of 190 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: colonization has only really taken root in the last twenty 191 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: five years. I mean, I don't know when you were 192 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: in college and we both went to the East Coast 193 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: for college, I don't remember this being any part of 194 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: what I learned in any history course or any sort 195 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: of and we both went to liberal colleges. It's not 196 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: like we went to you know, Hillsdale, where they're certainly 197 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: not going to be teaching colonization. But this has really 198 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: taken root. I think in the last general, the last 199 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: twenty some odd years, it didn't exist. It's a post 200 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: nine to eleven mindset that would not have been taught prior. 201 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: Mean, I the rhetoric about Israel is in apartheid state 202 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: and all those things. I think my campus, especially because 203 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: some of the surrounding schools, is more you were in DC, 204 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: and I think it was a little more rooted in reality. 205 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: I was in the middle of the Pioneer Valley of Massachusetts, 206 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: and it was true campus lunas. You remember, as I've 207 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: said before on the show, they were not amer students, 208 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: they were other colleges. But there was a flag burning 209 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: within two weeks of nine to eleven, a mass flag 210 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: burning outside of our main campus center. And the whole 211 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: point was being made by those individuals. America got whatuld 212 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: have deserved. So this mindset, and they're always leftists, they're 213 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: always and you know, they're oh, it's because of the 214 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: you know, extermination of indigenous peoples in America or because 215 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: of they always have the same rationalizations for justifying the 216 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: extreme evil that we see, whether it's from al Qaeda 217 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: or from Hamas. What has fundamentally happened here, Clay is 218 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: on a moral plane. Hamas is indistinguishable from al Qaida. 219 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: Hamas is indistinguishable from ISIS. And all these people that 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: are chanting and banging the drums and saying oh settlers 221 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: and Isram, all this stuff whatever, they they are living 222 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: in a parallel universe where that conclusion is not what 223 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: everyone is coming to, because that is the reality. Hamas 224 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: is as. Netanyahu has said same plane as isis same 225 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: plane as al Qaida. And we know how we in 226 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: America feel about ISIS and about al Qaida, and the 227 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: Israeli should feel the exact same way and they do 228 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: about Hamas. And that is that this is not a 229 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, they're not freedom fighter's clay. You know they're 230 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: not They're not trying to exert pressure to bring people 231 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: to the table. They're a Jihattist group bent on the 232 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: extermination of the Jews, and they must be met with 233 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: the full force of the IDF. 234 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: And that is the end of it. I mean, that 235 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: is where we are, no doubt. And also, Buck, if 236 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: they were actually trying to fight for freedom, maybe you 237 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: would have gone after just military installations. Again, if you 238 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: were trying to defend this as a war between civilized nations, 239 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: that would be an argument you could make. They're having 240 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: to release videos of young innocent babies being massacred and 241 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: moms and grandmas and kids in a way that frankly 242 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: hasn't happened since the Holocaust. Now, I'll leave people with 243 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: this thought, Buck, as you go to do the read. 244 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: For much of my life, I've wondered how in the 245 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: world did anybody deny what happened in the Holocaust for 246 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: all of us living today. This is the deadliest day 247 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: for Jews since the Holocaust. And guess what's happening. Many 248 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: people out there are denying that it happened. We aren't 249 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: that far removed from the nineteen forties. In many ways. 250 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Lines are open eight hundred two two eight eight two. 251 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: Please give us a call. Shared thoughts. 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I think this is important, Buck, 326 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: and I wanted to read some of this the New 327 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: York Times, and I don't recall them doing this very often, 328 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: and certainly there. I mean, they got all of Russia 329 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: collusion wrong, they got much of their COVID reporting wrong, 330 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: they got everything surrounding Hunter Biden and the laptop wrong, 331 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: all of those things. Basically, they took the left wing 332 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: agenda on. You guys all know they've gotten tons of 333 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: their Trump reporting wrong. They formally apologized for accepting as 334 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: truth the claim that Hamas made that Israel had bombed 335 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: a hospital in Gaza. 336 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: Now, I mean at five hundred people were dead as 337 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: a result in the formulation that I put out there before. 338 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: And to be clear, I'm not the only one that 339 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: has said this, Benjamin don Yaho. Many others feel the 340 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: same way. But now that Hamas has elevated itself, I 341 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: should say degraded itself. But you know what I mean, 342 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: now that Hamas is alongside the same category of evil 343 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: that you have with al Qaeda and isis. Imagine the 344 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: New York Times running a headline al Qaeda says US 345 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: bomb kills five hundred civilians. Correct, That's where I think 346 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: the New York Times has realized they have to backpedal 347 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: a little bit. And to your point, they are very 348 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: happy running with all kinds of half truths and smears 349 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: and all sorts of things at the New York Times. 350 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: This though was too far even for them, which which 351 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: really says something. And you know, Clay today is also 352 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: I see here today is the it's forty years since 353 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: the bombing of the Marine barracks. Jennifer Griffin shared this 354 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: over from Fox News the bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut. 355 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: This is where it has Bula killed two hundred and 356 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: twenty Marines, eighteen sailors, three US soldiers, and fifty eight 357 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: French troops. That was in a peacekeeping mission in nineteen 358 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: eighty three. We were there to try to keep the 359 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: warring factions apart. There are a lot of I mean, 360 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: first of all, it's just a horrible day for the 361 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: United States and Allied servicemen who died there. But a 362 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: lot of people say that the modern era of jihadism 363 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: that we are in in some ways, yeah, the nineteen 364 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: seventy nine seizure of hostages in Tehran, but hesbel as 365 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: an arm of the Iranians with this massive suicide bombing. 366 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: It brought us into this new era of just you know, 367 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: trying effectively jihadism as this death cult. 368 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: I want to read a couple of the lines from 369 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: this apology for you, Buck and for our audience out there, 370 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: because I do think it's it's remarkable that all the 371 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: news that's fit to print, the New York Times, which 372 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: holds itself up as such an a gust organization, and 373 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: we talked about last week Wall Street Journal, New York Times, 374 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: and the Washington Post, three lynch pins of I think 375 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: American traditional journalism. And look, I love the Wall Street Journal. 376 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: They get most things correct. They whiffed on this too. 377 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of copied everybody else. They had 378 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: all very similar front page newspaper headlines. And this is 379 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: one of those times where being an old man who 380 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: actually buys the newspapers, as you saw me like carrying 381 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: around and the producer Ali I was having to find 382 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: a place to go buy him in DC. 383 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: You Will Kine and my dad are the only people 384 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: I know who still do old school newspapers. I remember 385 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: when I used to work with Will for years. He 386 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 2: was the same way. He'd cross. He'd sit there at 387 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: the table, cross his legs and pull out the. 388 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: By the way, in New York City, I was carrying 389 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: all this huge batch of newspapers and this old guy 390 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: stopped me on the street when I was just up 391 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: in New York City and he was like, you're the 392 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: youngest man I've seen with a newspaper. 393 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: In a long day. It makes me feel good. 394 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: Like I'm paraphrasing him, but he was like praising me 395 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: because he was an old guy and he felt good 396 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: to see me as a relatively young guy compared to him, 397 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: with an actual newspaper in my hand. 398 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: And you know, I think to your point of about 399 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: the almost the contagion effect that this kind of reporting 400 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: can have right away for a place like the Wall 401 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Street Journal, based on all the other reporting that they've 402 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: done on this issue recently and in general, they weren't 403 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: rushing to create a moral equivalency with but they also 404 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: don't want to be delayed on a five hundred. But 405 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: as it turned out that the casualties were massively inflated 406 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: from it and hit them a whole lot was a lie. 407 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: The whole basically, the whole thing was was was absolute 408 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, it was. It was just the definition of propaganda. 409 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: I mean it was it was war. It was wartime 410 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: propaganda from from Hamas. But I think from the Wall 411 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: Street Journal if when they if they cover it too quickly, 412 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: it's because they don't want to be accused of being 413 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: in the pocket of you know, the idef in Israel. 414 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: Right The New York Times and some of these other 415 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: entities they covered it quickly because it was confirmation bias. Yes, 416 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Can tell by the way 417 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: it's covered, by the way they write the story. Some 418 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: don't want to be well, hold on, we're just trying 419 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: to report the facts. These are the facts, right now. 420 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: Hold on a second. Others pushed even further to see 421 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: Israel is doing terrible things too, which as we know, 422 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: was a lie. 423 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: And also think about this, everybody out there, if you 424 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: want to trace the direction of journalism. I think in 425 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: a social media era, there is a desperate fear by 426 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: many large institutions from not having the exact same opinion 427 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: as every other large institution, and so the willingness to 428 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: distinguish yourself by doing something different has never been weaker 429 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: in American life, and I think it extends beyond that, 430 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: from institutions to individuals. I was talking buck much less serious. 431 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: Old school sports writers used to always want to have 432 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: unique takes on a sporting event. And so if you 433 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: read somebody in Chicago, they'd have a great newspaper writer, 434 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, Miami, the DC, New York, they'd all be 435 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: And this guy, who's an older guy and the business said, 436 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: he's seen everybody rush to have the exact same opinions 437 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: because there's a fear of being called out on social 438 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: media for having the wrong tonal take on something that 439 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: goes viral, and then you become the target. But let 440 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: me read this apology and something for everybody out there 441 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: to think about, because I think it's infected all of 442 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: our society. The early version this is New York Times apology. 443 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: The early versions of the coverage and the prominence it 444 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: received in a headline, news alert and social media channels 445 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: relied too heavily on claims by Hamas and did not 446 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: make clear those claims could not immediately be verified. The 447 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was 448 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: known and how credible the account was, given the sensitive 449 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: nature of the news during a widening conflict and the 450 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: prominent promotion it received. Times editors should have taken more 451 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: care with the initial presentation and been more explicit about 452 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: what information. 453 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: Could be verified. 454 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: Uh, And it says newsroom leaders continue to examine procedures 455 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: basically to determine what additional safeguards may be warranted. What 456 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: I would point to, Buck, is what you said, and 457 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: I think this is true for everyone out there, be very, 458 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: very skeptical of stories that reinforce your preconceived notions of 459 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: what the truth should be, because you are more likely 460 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: and I think this is what happened in the New 461 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: York Times newsroom. They would have never uncritically accepted the 462 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: Trump White House putting out a statement like this. 463 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 2: Right, it's this. There's a confirmation by it correct that 464 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: they believe that this kind of thing could happen. And 465 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: I think also, as I've said all along here, there 466 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: are a lot of sensitivities that you know, the New 467 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: York Times has this has this issue right, there are 468 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: the more mainstream, if you will, Democrats and a look, 469 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: I grew up in New York City the New York 470 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: Times until we switched over to the Wall Street Journal when 471 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: I was probably college age. Was what was delivered to 472 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: our front door. You know, every day there are a 473 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: substantial number of Jewish subscribers to the New York Times, right, 474 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: but there's also there's also a left wing you know, 475 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: anti Israel contingent of New York Times readers, and so 476 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: the Times, like the Democrat Party in general, right now, 477 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: was really caught between these you know, these two perceptions 478 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: of what's going on right now and sort of the you. 479 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Know, they tried to both sides it and say, boy, 480 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, and you're going to see a lot of this, 481 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: I think, but there are bad people on both sides, right, 482 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: That's going to be the play that they try to finesse. 483 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: The problem is this is good and evil and Hamas 484 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: is evil. And that's the challenge therein that they're. 485 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: They're going to try to retreat to a post Sure, 486 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: the New York Times and other left wing news organizations 487 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 2: are going to try to retreat to a posture of 488 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: neutrality on this issue after four years of saying, well, 489 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: we can't be neutral on Trump because you know, he's 490 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: a fascist and he's really evil. So we know, the 491 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: neutrality thing is they pick and choose, right, But they're 492 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: going to try to retreat into this posture to some 493 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: degree of neutrality on this issue. I mean I saw 494 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: this Thomas Friedman column. You know, Thomas Friedman's most famous 495 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 2: book is From Beirut to Jerusalem. When I was doing 496 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: Middle East studies back at Amherst, you know, various Middle 497 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: East courses I took. You know, some of you know 498 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: because I've talked about it before. I mean I was, 499 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: I was in my first week of Arabic class on 500 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: nine to eleven, right, So it's this is something I 501 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: studied in college. And Tom Friedman back then was a 502 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: voice that was much more prominent, much more people paid 503 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: much more attention to him. And Clay he wrote this 504 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: off ed. Did you see this one? This op ed 505 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: that says Israel's about to make a huge mistake. And 506 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: I just think, and I know what he says. He's saying, Oh, 507 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: but if they don't promise future two state solution that 508 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: it's going to get Hamas's isis Tom, It's it's go 509 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: time for the idef Like I don't know what he 510 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: doesn't understand. Well, actually I do know what he does 511 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: understand about this, But those kinds of positions on this, 512 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: like the big problem here It's what I've said along. 513 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: We saw this all all the time in the War 514 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 2: on Terror against al Qaida Clay. The issue wasn't what 515 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: they did to us. The issue is our response to it. 516 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: And it's the same thing here. It's like, you know, 517 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: the the horrific mass murder sneak attack from Hamas. Let's 518 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: let's let that pass for right now, they say, let's 519 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: call for a cease fire and let's let cooler heads prevailed. No, 520 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: absolutely not. And Tom Friedman is sort of a part 521 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: of that chorus right now, which I mean shouldn't be 522 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: surprising to anybody, but it shows you where elite opinion 523 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: is on this. 524 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: And honestly, here's what I'm afraid of, Buck. I think 525 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: that at Israel has waited. We now come on, what 526 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: are we sixteen days since the attack. They still haven't 527 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: gone into Gaza to actually root out the core evil 528 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: of Hamas. And my concern is when they do go in, 529 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: because Hamas has had a lot of time now to 530 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: set up truly dastardly you know, plots and devices that 531 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: are going to take many Israeli lives in a way 532 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: that I don't think they would have if they had 533 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: gone in immediately right after the attack. 534 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: We can get we can spend more time in this, 535 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: maybe in the third hour clay of the tactical realities. 536 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: But I've really been looking into and thinking through the 537 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: reasons for the delay. The quick version is and I 538 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: think we should come back this maybe in the third hours. 539 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: I know we have Carol Markoitz with us next, and 540 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: then Bill O'Reilly with us in the next hour. Guess 541 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: that I hope everyone will stick around and listen to 542 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: They'll have important things to say on this. There's the 543 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: possibility of a two front war opening up up with 544 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: Hesblo on the north. That's one thing the Israelis are 545 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: trying to prepare for. And then there's also the hostage situation, 546 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: which there's negotiations we believe negotiations underway to try to 547 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: deal with, and there's the trying to limit the civilian 548 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: casualt So the reasons for the delay, just to be clear, 549 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: are the you know, largely largely based on the basic 550 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: humanity of the Israeli state. 551 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: Oh. 552 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I think I think they're doing their best to limit. 553 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: My concern is the longer they wait to go in, 554 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: the more dangerous it becomes, and the more public opinion 555 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: moves against them, which is something we'll talk about in 556 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: the third hour. 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Oh, welcome 585 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: back in team playing Buck here taking some of your 586 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: emails and calls and also setting you up next for 587 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: our friend Carol Markowitz, who will be joining us here. 588 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: She of course has the Carol Markowitz Show, it's podcast, 589 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: and the Clay and Buck Network. And then at one 590 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: thirty Eastern, so in the middle of the next hour 591 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: for us here we have Bill O'Reilly. Obviously a lot 592 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: to talk to Bill about with all of this and uh, 593 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, Clay, we're discussing the uh, some of the 594 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: you know, tactical realities and the challenges here. You know 595 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: what you're going to see is I think the Israelis 596 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: launch this this military incursion and it's going to be 597 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: very dense urban warfare. The Israelis certainly know this terrain 598 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: as well as they can without actually living there. I 599 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: think a lot of what's going on now is intelligence 600 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: collection about civilian infrastructure hostages where they located. You know, 601 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: what can be done. But the thing for me that 602 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: still sticks out. I mentioned the possibility of Hesbolah, and 603 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 2: this is where it's there's the humanitarian concerns that are 604 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: slowing Israel down in terms of the timeline, and then 605 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: there's also Israel maybe in a two front war here 606 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Hesbela has thousands and thousands of rockets that 607 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: it could start. There's already been some exchanges in the north. 608 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: But do they have the personnel and the resources deployed 609 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 2: to deal with Gaza appropriately in the south, and then 610 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 2: will they also be able to handle the possibility of 611 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 2: a Hesbela escalation in the north. Those are some of 612 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: the complicating factors I think here and and possible, not 613 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: just manpower but resource issues. I mean, it takes a lot. 614 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: You need a lot of you know, a lot of 615 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: iron dome missiles to be able to fire you and 616 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: a lot of artillery shells to do counter battery fire. 617 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes into the possibility of a 618 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: two front conflict here. So these are some of the considerations. 619 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: No doubt, and we're going to bring back Carol Markowitz 620 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: the top of the next hour, Buck and I read 621 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: an interesting comment. I was reading a piece from vari 622 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: Weiss's crew, and one line basically stuck out with me. 623 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people went to bed on October sixth 624 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: as liberals and woke up on October seventh, and by 625 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day they were conservatives based on 626 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: what happened to so many Jewish people, and we had 627 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: this conversation. I want to have a conversation with her 628 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: about it too. We opened up phone lines last week 629 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: to take calls from Jewish listeners in particular about what 630 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: the impact not only of what happened in Israel has been, 631 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: but in the way that everybody responded and the fact 632 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: that you've seen so many protests out there in favor 633 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: of Hamas chanting awful slogans about the Jewish people. I 634 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: think it's stunned many and has it started to shake 635 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: the fabric of what had traditionally been a left wing 636 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: alliance between Jewish voters and the Democrat Party. I think 637 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: that's a really intriguing question to ask. So we'll dive 638 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: into that and more with Carol, who left New York 639 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: for the Free State of Florida and I think is 640 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: very happy about that. 641 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: Joyce, a lot of people have made that decision feeling 642 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: very good about it, especially as you get deeper into 643 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: or closer to I should say, the winter months when 644 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 2: it tripped a nice down here. Anyway, we're going to 645 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: dive into more of this with Carol, and then Bill O'Reilly. 646 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: I got to read Killing the Witches, which is his 647 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 2: latest book that's out well. My parents love. It's amazing.