1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the cynics want us to believe that 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: he is all powerful and that if you fight back, 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: you will lose. He wants you to believe that if 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: you fight back, you may face danger, and he wants 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: you to believe that if you fight that it won't 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: matter because he is in control of everything, and it 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: is not true. It is time for us to build 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: not a resistance, but an opposition, something that is durable, 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: something that will last for four years and beyond. And 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: we need to build that opposition now, and we need 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: to we need to all gird ourselves for the long run. 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on. 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 4: These people. 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: The people have had a belly full of it. I 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: know you don't like hearing that. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: I know you tried to do everything you will to 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: stop it, but you're not going to stop it. It's 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: going to happen. 21 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: And where do people like that go to share the 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: big line? 23 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: Mega media? 24 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 5: I wish in my soul, wish that any of these 25 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 5: people had a conscience. 26 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my task? And what is my purpose. 27 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: If that answer is to save my country, this country. 28 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 6: Will be say war Room, here's your host, Stephen k Ba. 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 7: You're back in the war room where it's thirty November, 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 7: in the year of our Lord, twenty twenty four, and 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 7: a happy Saturday to all of you. I know the 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 7: Saturday shows are always Steve's favorites, so by extension they 33 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 7: are mine too, And all that I have to say 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 7: to Mark Elias, of course, a fame of infamy here 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 7: on the War Room, I guess, in the words of 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 7: Corey Lewandowski, womp womp, no one cares about your democracy 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 7: drivel bs talking points. 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: The American people. 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 7: Rejected you guys in full force in early November, and 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 7: despite your best efforts to become what you so allegedly despise. 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: Right election deniers. Oh you hate. 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 7: Election denials so much, Mark Ollias, Well, what were you 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 7: trying to do in Pennsylvania? 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 7: Maybe when we I don't know, audit and investigate the 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 7: twenty twenty election will throw in your and I'll use 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 7: the word President Trump does school duggery of what you 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 7: did out in the great state of Pennsylvania to try 49 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 7: to overturn that Senate race, but to no avail, because 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 7: this audience in this show is onto you, but we're 51 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 7: also onto you in all the ways that you're trying 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 7: to subvert the mega agenda, like you, frankly always have. 53 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 7: You've been doing that for years now with a bunch 54 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 7: of dark money donors and groups. You know, Mark Olias, 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 7: for someone who sits up there and says democracy almost 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 7: every other word and then throwing Project twenty twenty five 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 7: every other other word. You know, you're not very transparent 58 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 7: about your donors. It's not very democratic of you. I 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 7: thought you would love transparency. Yeah, but maybe you don't 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 7: want to show that because I don't know. I think 61 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 7: maybe Frankly, all roads probably lead overseas, but all roads 62 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 7: lead to I guess the distinction between overseas and what's 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 7: going on here isn't all that great when you see 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 7: the Color Revolution playbook that they've weaponized overseas across Eastern 65 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 7: European countries galore, bringing that home here, Mark Ellias, of course, 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 7: co chhaaring Democracy twenty twenty five, the sort of. 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: Legal apparatic hatchet group. 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 7: That's what getting ready to disseminate over eight hundred lawyers 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 7: millions of dollars to come after the Trump agenda, in 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 7: partnership with none other than Norm Eisen and a bunch 71 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 7: of people who also participated in those Transition Integrity Project 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 7: exercises are now all of a sudden back and helping 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 7: I don't know, state ags out in Arizona draft cases 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 7: against Trump supporters and President Donald J. Trump himself right 75 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 7: the same age, who what Chris Mason had never tried 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 7: a case before. It almost makes you think the reason 77 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 7: why they want to fill our government with idiots and 78 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 7: shall I use a word, listless vessels, people like Joe Biden, 79 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 7: like Chris Mays, people who have no experience not just 80 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 7: morally bankrupt, but intellectually bankrupt, so they can. 81 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: Use them as puppets. 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 7: Right, Joe Biden is the archetype, the ultimate unelected bureaucrat 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 7: because he lost in twenty twenty, and that entire White 84 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 7: House is filled with unelected bureaucrats who I look forward 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 7: to being mass fired, if not mass schedule FT on 86 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 7: January twentieth, how about this schedule F round and find out. 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 7: I am honored to be joined by someone who knows 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 7: a lot about all those shall we say media matters, 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 7: buzzwords that I'm sure will get me a clip that 90 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 7: is none other. And then I think the person who 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 7: sort of pushed the whole Color Revolution narrative into the 92 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 7: kind of forefront the media lexicon, at least here on 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 7: War Room, and that is doctor Darren JB. A Biden 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 7: regime alum. I'm so sorry for your loss, but Darren, 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 7: I just wanted to sort of get your thoughts before 96 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 7: we get into sort of the path forward, the fun 97 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 7: stuff on January sixth, the pipe bomb, all that stuff, 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 7: Your thoughts on sort of where the resistance stands now 99 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 7: and what you think it's going to look like this 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 7: time around. 101 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 8: You know, that's a really interesting question, and I think 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 8: it might be premature to say I think the dynamic 103 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 8: is very different from what it was in the aftermap 104 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 8: of twenty sixteen in the specific sense that I think 105 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 8: the left is largely demoralized. I think there's enormous effect 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 8: of Trump winning the popular vote, this decisive mandate, the 107 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 8: left losing Latino men. It really doesn't leave any readily 108 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 8: available excuse to them of oh he was too racist, 109 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 8: or oh you know, the Russians stepped in and just 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 8: marginally got them over the line. They're really kind of 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 8: for once, really forced to confront how profoundly unpopular they 112 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 8: are and how unpopular their messages and what they represent is. 113 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: And so I think they're still in. 114 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 8: This regrouping stage to figure out what's going on. And 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 8: of course they're all blaming each other, and we've seen 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 8: glorious representations of that on MSNBC. 117 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: And so forth. 118 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 8: If anything, and this ties into some of the other 119 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 8: things you've been talking about and that we might talk about, 120 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 8: I think the resistance might actually migrate over to intensify 121 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 8: in and express itself. 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Through other countries. UK. 123 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 8: You see the intensification with Starmer and his role, You 124 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 8: see Australia making similar gestures. 125 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: One could imagine even. 126 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 8: The EU as a whole, in light of Trump's victory, 127 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 8: will kind of double down on this oppositional identity to 128 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 8: the United States, kind of like how. 129 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: They did with George W. Bush. 130 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 8: When Europe you had you had Jacques Sharrock and Schroeder 131 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 8: and these other guys in similar fashion but for very 132 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 8: different reasons. Then you could argue that Europeans were the 133 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 8: good guys here there unquestionably the bad guys, and they 134 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 8: would be promoting the censorship regime, and a lot of 135 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 8: the poisonous stuff that maybe reached its apex around twenty 136 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 8: twenty remain pernicious throughout and seems to be on a 137 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 8: bit of a retreat even at the domestic level in 138 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 8: the United States. So I kind of predict that this point, although, 139 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 8: as I said, premature that the resistance could actually migrate 140 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 8: to and intensify in and express itself. 141 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: Through foreign entities. 142 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 8: Not the Russia, Russia, and not the you know, China, China, 143 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 8: but actually in the rest of the anglosphere and in 144 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 8: the EU. 145 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 7: This is something that we've definitely been covering on War Rooms. 146 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 7: Since they don't control the levers of power here at 147 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 7: home to carry out the mass censorship, like we said, 148 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 7: like they always do, they're going to have to outsource it. 149 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 7: And to that point too, maybe it won't be government funding, 150 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 7: but it's always been the sort of weird merger right 151 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 7: where they sort of outsource it to the NGOs, the 152 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 7: dark money, the whole kind of apparatus. I'm curious though, 153 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 7: your thoughts on how the sort of norm eyesends, and 154 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 7: more particularly that Color Revolution playbook, if you think that 155 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 7: they will try to. 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: Carry that out again. 157 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 7: I know it's premature, but when you see the sort 158 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 7: of pivot they're now attacked Trump is an autocrat. You 159 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 7: got Normizen really, I think vindicating that piece that you 160 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 7: guys wrote all the way back in the Transition Integrity 161 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 7: Project days quite literally tweeting out his democracy playbook from 162 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 7: Brookings and saying, yeah, Trump may have won, but here 163 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 7: are all the ways that we can hold him accountable. 164 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 7: How do you think that sort of sect of you know, 165 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 7: resistance two point zero interplays with the foreign element. 166 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's an interesting question. Of course, these people haven't 167 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 8: gone away. Normalizing in particular has been I have to 168 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 8: admire his persistence and energy. 169 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: He has not stopped. 170 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 8: He is relentless in working towards the objective. So I 171 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 8: think these people will remain players. But the overall picture 172 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 8: is compared to twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, I think 173 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 8: they're very weakened. And the idea of launching a kind 174 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 8: of color revolution scenario, you know, the two major dimensions 175 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 8: of that are law fair and mass demonstrations, and you 176 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 8: really need some degree of popular buy in and. 177 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: Legitimacy in order to do that. 178 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 8: And I think they've really sustained major losses in the media, 179 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 8: for one, because Elon took over Twitter and that was 180 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 8: a major vehicle for their operations. I think that's severely 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 8: curtailed their ability to achieve narrative control and also to 182 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 8: engineer these mobilizations. And also on the lawfair front, we 183 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 8: see a significant retreat. You see what's happening with Jack 184 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 8: Smith and others, and almost a kind of public discrediting 185 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 8: of the avalanche of false and politically motivated cases that 186 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 8: were levied against Trump and his supporters. So of course 187 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 8: these people will still be around, perhaps once they regroup, 188 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 8: and maybe things will change as we get close to 189 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 8: the mid terms. If they don't go our way into midterms, 190 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 8: they might use that opportunity to pounce. But I think 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 8: right now they're really licking their wounds and they haven't 192 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 8: been weaker in a very very long time. And insofar 193 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 8: as one sees any real expression of energy, it's actually 194 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 8: come through the foreign dimension, in this case in the UK, Australia, 195 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 8: perhaps a little bit in Germany, and that could be 196 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 8: where this force develops and sort of hibernates for the 197 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 8: time being. 198 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: I noticed you didn't mention Haiti when you were rattling off. 199 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 7: Those countries, Darren, I feel like we also have to 200 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 7: just take a quick moment to appreciate your new set, 201 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 7: your new backdrop. I'm sure the audience is very, very 202 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 7: excited about that, as are we in the war room. 203 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 7: We love the audio quality. The shot looks great. Give 204 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 7: me a few minutes before we jump to break though. 205 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 7: On a happier note, where you think kind of team Trump, 206 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 7: the DOJ, whatever department you think it needs to be 207 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 7: on jan six step on the pipe bomb stuff, what 208 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 7: that sort of battle plan looks like. 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 8: Well, that's a very important question, and again it's premature 210 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 8: to say. I've said in other interviews that basically the 211 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 8: pipe bomb investigation January sixth story where. 212 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: At the very end stages we know it was a scam. 213 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 8: We note was one of the biggest scandals in the 214 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 8: nation's recent history. I have a precise, exact item mind 215 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 8: list of exactly what the future head of the FBI, 216 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 8: what future Attorney General would need to do. It's simply 217 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 8: a question of how interested and how cooperative those office 218 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 8: will be. 219 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: With Matt Gates. 220 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 8: I would have been entirely confident that we would get 221 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 8: to the. 222 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: Bottom of it. For now. 223 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 8: I'm optimistic, but can't give any guarantees. It depends, but 224 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 8: I can literally hand this on a silver platter. 225 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: We're so close. 226 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: You know. 227 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: The FBI just. 228 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 8: Got caught in a lie. They lied about the telecom data. 229 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 8: They said it was corrupted. They have the telecom data. 230 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 8: They have all the data they need to identify the 231 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 8: pipe bomber. It's sitting in their offices. There are two 232 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 8: cover up individuals in the FBI. Their identities are sitting 233 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 8: in the offices. I know one of the identities, but 234 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 8: it's not time to say it yet. 235 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: They're all in there. All we need now is a. 236 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 8: Cooperative and courageous head of the DOJ and head of 237 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 8: the FBI to take us to that last step and 238 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 8: expose the biggest scandal in recent American history. 239 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 7: Darren, if you can hang with us through the break, 240 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 7: there's so many more stories I want to get into. 241 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 7: I know you won't expose that one person, but I 242 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 7: think maybe after the break, maybe Jessica Brandt, we can 243 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 7: do a little exposure on up at a d N. 244 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 7: I Darren, hang with us through the break, and Warren Posse. 245 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: In the meantime, you got to make sure you're checking out. 246 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 7: Birch Gold dot com slash Bannon giving Philip Patrick a call. 247 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 7: You know, all these people who are lying to you 248 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 7: about what everything. 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Use your host, Stephen Kavan. 259 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 7: You're back in the War Room where we are still 260 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 7: joined by doctor Darren j Beatty. Darren, I would love 261 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 7: for you to explain to the audience a little bit 262 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 7: about Jessica Brandt, someone who uses the words disinformation way 263 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 7: too much. 264 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 8: Absolutely, and again, this is an extension of, if not 265 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 8: the Marvel Universe, the Color Revolution universe. You know, the 266 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 8: whole story of this Color Revolution segment. Are these atlantiss 267 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 8: these people obsessed with Russia. The whole censorship predicate disinformation 268 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 8: comes out of this intelligence world dimension that's oriented toward Russia, 269 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 8: and a whole cottage industry of people who are using 270 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 8: this term as a censorship pretext created NGOs created really 271 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 8: an entire industry based on censoring American speech under the 272 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 8: guise of some dubious foreign policy agenda with respect to Russia. 273 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 8: For those familiar with that general context, Jessica Brandt will 274 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 8: not be an exception. 275 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: Unfortunately. 276 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 8: She currently runs what is called the Foreign Malign Influence 277 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 8: Center under the DNI the Director of National Intelligence, which 278 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 8: will soon, we hope, be run by Tulsi Gabbert. Now, 279 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 8: this Foreign Influence Group basically replicates the function of other 280 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 8: infamous organizations like the Global Engagement Center, which we've reported 281 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 8: on extensively. The Great Mike Benz has talked about it, 282 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 8: You've talked about it, and it replicates this, but it 283 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 8: houses it within the DNI. And I did a little 284 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 8: digging into this Jessica Brandt, and it's, as I said, 285 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 8: exactly what you'd expect. 286 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: She has done reports at the. 287 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 8: Brookings Institution that involve attacking Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, and 288 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 8: Dan Bongino, among others. For what for daring to suggest 289 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 8: that Russia itself did not blow up Nordstream too. 290 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: That's how dumb it is. 291 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 8: For daring to suggest that Russia didn't blow up a 292 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 8: critical piece of its own infrastructure. There are disinformation agents 293 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 8: of the Kremlin. This is the tier of individual that's 294 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 8: now running the whole Foreign Influence Office at the DNI. 295 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 8: Some other examples again repeated pattern, hacking Tucker Cross and 296 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 8: attacking Charlie Kirk, obsession with Russia and linking Russia's interest 297 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 8: to legitimate free speech actions of American citizens who dared 298 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 8: to adopt a HETERODOCS line with respect to the regime's 299 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 8: talking points. 300 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: You see this repeated pattern. 301 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 8: But what's interesting is she bills herself as this like 302 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 8: AI expert or emerging AI technologies things. 303 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: She has no history of. 304 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 8: Involvement with AI or really technology. And the funny thing 305 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 8: is if you trace her reports, they're all this misinformation 306 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 8: slop dating. 307 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: Back to like twenty twenty. 308 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 8: But then before twenty twenty, there's nothing about technology whatsoever. 309 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 8: It's all about chastising Trump for the so called travel band. 310 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 8: So her obsession was promoting immigration in the United States. 311 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 8: Chastising Trump for the travel ban, and of course a 312 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 8: sprinkling of anti Brexit stuff, Oh Brexit's horrible. 313 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: And then all of a. 314 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 8: Sudden in twenty twenty, when the disinformation this is the 315 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 8: apogee of the disinformation scam, when that was real hot. 316 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 8: Guess what she branded as. I'm an AI researcher. I'm 317 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 8: an expert in AI, and by that I mean censoring 318 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 8: stuff that I don't like. I'm an expert, now, isn't 319 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 8: that nice? So she goes to all this conferences and 320 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 8: overnight she becomes an AI expert. 321 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: I don't even know. 322 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 8: She knows how to boot up a computer and she's 323 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 8: an AI expert. And what that means in practice is 324 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 8: again all of these poorly written, poorly thought out, truly 325 00:19:53,400 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 8: slop tier reports that effectively say, oh, Tucker Carlson and 326 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 8: says stuff we don't like. Therefore he's Russian, therefore we 327 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 8: should censor him and any platform that hosts him. And 328 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 8: this is the type of person in fact, in this case, 329 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 8: this specific person who's running the Foreign Malign Into Influence 330 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 8: Center under the DNI, which formally sits on top of 331 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 8: the entire intelligence community. 332 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 7: It's wild to me that Brookings still retains its tax 333 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 7: exempt status. I think that's something we should go after 334 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 7: to just putting that as a little. 335 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: Aside, but linking that to kind of what you're saying. 336 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 7: You're talking about these patterns, not just recognizing them here domestically, 337 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 7: but internationally too. Right, they're sort of this outsourcing of 338 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 7: just narrative building with the idea that American alternative media, 339 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 7: you know, people like Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, they need 340 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 7: to be. 341 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: Censored, right, they are a public health threat. 342 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 7: There are disinformation threats because apparently if you say, you know, 343 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 7: in flood response in North Carolina, if they're not doing 344 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 7: a good job, that's apparently spreading disinformation. Or how about this, 345 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 7: maybe they're actually just I don't know, doing a bad job. 346 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 7: But the Australian Broadcasting Corporation boss went on sort of 347 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 7: a shall we call it a Jim Vanda high tier 348 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 7: unhinged speech about the media going after Joe Rogan disinformation 349 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 7: more broadly, your thoughts on what that. 350 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 8: Sort of signals, I mean, what a decline of the 351 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 8: Australian population or maybe the Australians just deserved better, you know, 352 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 8: when I think of Australians. I think of those Foster's 353 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 8: beer commercials, and this is a huge step down from that. 354 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 8: Here you have nominally the head of the entire Australian 355 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 8: government media what's equivalent to what used to be called 356 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 8: in the United States the Broadcasting Board of Governors are 357 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 8: a sort of propaganda arm to not you know, they 358 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 8: call it global. 359 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: Public affairs now. 360 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 8: But here you have this guy who is asked about 361 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 8: Joe Rogan and goes on to this extended rant saying 362 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 8: how it's so horrific that Americans are entertained by this guy, 363 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 8: and you know, just really amazing stuff coming from someone 364 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 8: who represents the media in Australia. And again, I think 365 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 8: this is a great example of this general dynamic, which 366 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 8: I think is a critical, maybe the most important dynamic 367 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 8: going on now is that this oppositional identity, including this 368 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 8: kind of orientation towards censorship, the whole apparatus that was 369 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 8: built is now kind of licking its wounds domestically in 370 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 8: the United States because of Trump, because of Elon and 371 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 8: so forth, but it's almost redoubling its intensity and its 372 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 8: commitment in other areas of the anglosphere. And it seems 373 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 8: like this is where it's hibernating, but not in a 374 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 8: dormance state, in a very active state, just not so 375 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 8: much what we saw domestically here. 376 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: And so I think these are real. 377 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 8: Indications that this could be a major issue going forward 378 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 8: and develop further in this troubling direction. 379 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 3: Darren. 380 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 7: If people want to stay up to date with everything 381 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 7: you're working on, all the wonderfully hot takes at Revolver, 382 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 7: where can they go to do all that? 383 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 8: Revolver dot News, Revolver dot News. 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No, no, no, no, deep stay cash. 394 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: Here, that's good. 395 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 7: The only cash we want is cash ptel right, how 396 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 7: about that? 397 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: Darren? 398 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. For joining us. We will see 399 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 3: you soon. I am sure. In warroom Posse, we got 400 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: a pack show coming up for you. 401 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 7: I think we're going to be joined by FTC Commissioner, 402 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 7: maybe FTC Chair Andrew Ferguson, doctor Naomi Wolf, kind of 403 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 7: springboarding off of everything that we've just gone over with Darren. 404 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 7: The idea that because they lost here so overwhelmingly, they 405 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 7: have to do what they always do, which is outsourced. 406 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 7: Not the manufacturing this time, but I guess it's the 407 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 7: manufacturing of their fake and BS narratives. 408 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: The idea that what I don't know. 409 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 7: The strap line of this show, the idea that COVID 410 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 7: originated in a lab, that the COVID vaccines don't work, 411 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 7: that are dangerous, that I don't know, Populist economics prevail 412 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 7: over this weird neoliberal order that melts down if I 413 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 7: don't know, you want to institute tariffs, that all that 414 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 7: is disinformation. 415 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: And so what do they have to do? 416 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 7: Well, I guess because they lost and they can't use 417 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 7: CISA or DHS or any of you know, pick your poison. Now, 418 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 7: they're going to use weird money, dark money sources coming 419 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 7: from you know, take your pick. 420 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure all roads will lead back. 421 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 7: Whether it's the George Soros type, Mark Zuckerberg, people who 422 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 7: hate this country, they're gonna outsource that overseas, whether it's 423 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 7: the Center for Countering Digital Hate, the Global Disinformation Index. Right, 424 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 7: they already have this foreign apparatus set up, and we 425 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 7: know they only deal in projection. So when they say 426 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 7: that we're the ones who are guilty of foreign collusion 427 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 7: and foreign manipulation of algorithms and all that. 428 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: No, no, no. 429 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 7: The only reason that you would even know what that is, 430 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 7: and the same way that Anthony Fauci would be an 431 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 7: expert in the origins of COVID is because you're responsible 432 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 7: for it, because you do it yourself. I think Anthony 433 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 7: Fauci is not going to have that hot of a 434 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 7: twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six, shall we say, 435 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 7: Doctor Naomi Wolf will be joining us to go through 436 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 7: all of that and so much more. But in the meantime, 437 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 7: you've got to make sure you're checking out sacred human health, 438 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 7: getting the grass fed beef liver. Although I think if 439 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 7: we're making America so healthy again, you're not even gonna 440 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 7: need it, though, make sure you go still and go 441 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 7: and get it. If we yank all the big pharma 442 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 7: ads off of MSNBC, frankly, their profits are gonna plummet 443 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 7: even more. I even want to know what those margins are, 444 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 7: let alone, if you take away their crutch that is Phfizer. 445 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 7: Though I'd love to see how they're programming changes. Though 446 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 7: I don't know if it'll change that much. I think 447 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 7: COVID vaccines will probably make it a little hard to 448 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 7: tell the truth. Like I said, stay with us, We 449 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 7: still got a pack show on this Saturday morning, coming 450 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 7: for you, Andrew Ferguson, Doctor Naomi Wolf, make sure you're 451 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 7: checking out Sacred Human Health and Birch Gold. 452 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: We will be right back after the short break. 453 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 6: Frits war Room. He who's your host, Stephen K. 454 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 7: Then you're back in the war Room, where I am 455 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 7: honored to be joined by Andrew Ferguson, one of two 456 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 7: Republican commissioners commissioners over at the Federal Trade Commission, which 457 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 7: I think, before we get into this interview, it's sort 458 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 7: of a testament to how I think robust and vast 459 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 7: these censorship efforts have become. That we're talking to someone 460 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 7: from the FTC who I know has done shows. 461 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: With Mike Benz. 462 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 7: He's definitely on our side of the football on fighting 463 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 7: the good fight, really the I think existential fight. Our 464 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 7: ability to I don't know, even air shows like Warroom 465 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 7: despite their best efforts to pull us yank us from 466 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 7: YouTube and Spotify. 467 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 3: It's okay, we're doing pretty well. 468 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 7: But Andrew has been sort of leading the charge over 469 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 7: there on how to push back against these censorship efforts. 470 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: Andrew, we were just talking the last two blocks with Darren. 471 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 7: How despite them losing in twenty twenty four, they're obviously 472 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 7: not going to give up on their censorship efforts, right, 473 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 7: They're sort of allocating their loss. Oh, it was a 474 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 7: result of misinformation, disinformation laying the pretext, in my opinion, 475 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 7: to sort of crack down on dangerous disinformation health, electoral 476 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 7: or otherwise. 477 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: So I'm just curious your. 478 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 7: Thoughts on, you know, how likely they'll be able to 479 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 7: mount that offensive, and more importantly, what either you and 480 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 7: your FDC capacity or just more broadly the Trump admin 481 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 7: can do to fight back. 482 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, thanks thanks for having me. So I think 483 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 9: I divide the censorship problem into two buckets. We've got 484 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 9: one where we have like purely private censorship where. 485 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: I think there's two kinds. 486 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 9: You can have decisions being made by sort of the 487 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 9: platforms themselves or potentially in tandem with each other, where 488 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 9: the goal is to suppress, you know, disfavored speech. 489 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: The word we always hear is disinformation. That's the classic 490 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 4: way that this is said. 491 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 9: That's just Oorwellian new speak for ideas that Silicon Valley 492 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 9: and progresses don't like. 493 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: The second version of the private one. 494 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 9: I think is most interesting that Brendan Carr, the new 495 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 9: chair of the FCC, has talked a lot about, is 496 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 9: the risk of potential advertising cartels. 497 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: So generally, under our anti. 498 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 9: Trust laws, private companies can sort of decide what they'd 499 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 9: like to do with their own resources. But one of 500 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 9: the most important things the anti trust laws forbid is 501 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 9: people getting in a. 502 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: Room and agreeing we're not going to compete. 503 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 9: And you know, if there are a bunch of powerful 504 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 9: advertisers getting in a room together and saying, hey, let's 505 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 9: all agree not to advertise on this platform because we 506 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 9: don't like that they have free speech on that platform, 507 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 9: or let's agree not to advertise about this podcast or 508 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 9: this you know, online show, that can potentially violate the 509 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 9: anti trust laws. Because the anti trust laws are designed 510 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 9: to make sure that all of us get to participate 511 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 9: in markets freely and fairly, and that there isn't a 512 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 9: bunch of backdoor dealing among competitors to suppress people or ideas, 513 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 9: And so you know, at the FTC, that's one of 514 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 9: the concerns that I really hope that the new Trump 515 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 9: FTC is going to look into, and that I've been 516 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 9: calling for to look into, which is if we've got 517 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 9: agreements among the platforms to suppress ideas or speech, we 518 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 9: have to investigate those for potential anti trust violations. And 519 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 9: if we have advertiser cartels where advertisers are agreeing we're 520 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 9: not going to advertise on this show on this platform, 521 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 9: those also potentially violate the anti trust laws. Group boycotts 522 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 9: that are illegal under the anti trust laws, and I 523 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 9: think they cry out for anti trust scrutiny, and then 524 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 9: I think we have a second censorship problem. And it's 525 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 9: super important to President Trump won this election because it's 526 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 9: the kind of thing that he and his new government. 527 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 4: Can address directly. 528 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 9: And we saw this during COVID especially, but where the 529 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 9: platforms would collaborate, collude however you want to call it, 530 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 9: with government officials at the CDC, the Surgeon General's office, 531 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 9: the State Department, the FBI, and SISA, where the government 532 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 9: would call over the platforms and say, hey, we don't 533 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 9: like this thing being said about the vaccines, we don't 534 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 9: like this thing being said about COVID. 535 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 4: Origins, you know, labs and the like. 536 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 9: We don't like this sort of discussion about what happened 537 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 9: in the twenty twenty presidential election. We don't like people 538 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 9: talking about the hunter Biden laptop, and the platforms would say, okay, got. 539 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 4: It, we'll take it down, no problem. 540 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 9: Some states sued the government back in twenty twenty one 541 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 9: and said hey, or twenty twenty two and said, hey, 542 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 9: the government is coercing the platforms to take down speech 543 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 9: that they don't like. And this wound us wave up 544 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 9: through the courts. Louisiana, Missouri got big wins in the 545 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 9: lower courts, big injunctions where courts are saying you, the 546 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 9: government can't coerce these platforms to take down speech you 547 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 9: don't like. We have this little thing called the First Amendment. 548 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 9: And the main thing the First Amendment does is protect 549 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 9: the right of every American to speak his or her 550 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 9: mind with up the government interfering in that speech they 551 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 9: left the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court in a 552 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 9: decision I don't fully agree with, said, well, we don't 553 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 9: think there's enough evidence that the platforms were taking this 554 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 9: down because they felt coerced by the government, you know, 555 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 9: where the government was threatening them, rather than the platforms 556 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 9: being willing to do it. But in my view, after 557 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 9: this election, the distinction is less important because even if 558 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 9: the First Amendment doesn't apply, when the government picks up 559 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 9: the phone and calls you know X or YouTube or 560 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 9: Instagram or whatever and says I need you to take 561 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 9: this thing down, the government can forbid its own officials 562 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 9: from doing that. 563 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: You know, President Trump and his new cabinet that he's 564 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 4: been rolling out over the last several days. 565 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 9: They can just order their subordinates stop doing this, get 566 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 9: off the phone with these platforms, stop suppressing the free 567 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 9: speech of Americans. 568 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: Quit doing this. 569 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 9: And we don't even need the courts to intervene. This 570 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 9: can be done directly by the government. Congress can also 571 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 9: pass laws that forbid this sort of thing, and I 572 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 9: think that that would be a great idea. 573 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 4: But that is one of the most important results of 574 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: this election. 575 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 9: Is the problem that the States uncovered and their litigation 576 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 9: against the government, where you had the government cooperating, coordinating, 577 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, with the platforms to 578 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 9: take down you know, misinformation and disinformation, all the stuff 579 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 9: that Silicon Valley and the progressives don't like. That can 580 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 9: end even without the courts, because the new government can 581 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 9: just say we're not going to do this anymore. Americans 582 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 9: get to speak their mind on these platforms, and I 583 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 9: think that's great news. And also Darren was just talking 584 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 9: about this with you, but the giant constellation of sort 585 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 9: of government funded or government contracted in goos that have 586 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 9: participated in the suppression of speech over the last several years. Again, 587 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 9: elections have consequences, and this is one of the huge 588 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 9: upsides of President Trump's re election is those contracts can 589 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 9: come to an end. 590 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: Now. 591 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 9: Obviously, you know progressives, Silicon Valley, everyone who is fighting disinformation, 592 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 9: and they're not going to give up just because of 593 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 9: the election. They're going to take this to new fronts. 594 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 9: And that's where I think that it's really important that 595 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 9: the FTC take investigative steps in the new administration and 596 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 9: the President Trump, because if the government is going to 597 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 9: get out of the business here in the States of 598 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 9: cooperating and colluding with the platforms to suppress the. 599 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 4: Speech that they don't like. 600 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 9: Then it's up to the FTC to make sure that 601 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 9: that sort of cooperation and collusion doesn't move into the 602 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 9: private sector. No advertiser cartels, no cooperation among the platforms 603 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 9: to say, hey, let's all just agree we're not going 604 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 9: to allow this type of speech. And I think that 605 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 9: that's where the FTC and the FCC, the way that 606 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 9: future Chairman car has talked about it, can do really 607 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 9: really important work. And I'm very excited that, you know, 608 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 9: I will get to be a part of what I 609 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 9: hope is the Trump administration strong push to address the 610 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 9: problem of anti trust violations that may cause censorship. 611 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 7: So I'm curious your thoughts on what you think there 612 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 7: pivot is going to look like sort of on two fronts. 613 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: Right, you talk about this collusion, that sort of. 614 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 7: Public private partnership, that equation equals then mass censorship of 615 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 7: the American people, sort of taking out the public right 616 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 7: aspect of that partnership. Do you think that they look 617 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 7: sort of overseas, Like we said, so much of the 618 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 7: censorship stuff can sort of eminate, particularly from the UK. 619 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 3: There's a lot of activity there. 620 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 7: Even Australia is pushing sort of interesting bills and then 621 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 7: also too sort of I guess a corollary to that question, 622 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 7: you know, Sissa, right, you reference that even the sort 623 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 7: of NGO type ones, at least those that receive the 624 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 7: taxpayer funds, the National Endowment of the Democracy type, you know, 625 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 7: those type of organizations. Do you think that they can 626 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 7: be reformed or do you think that SISA and entities 627 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 7: like that that have proven that they're really only good 628 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 7: for censorship, they haven't really had a stellar track record 629 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 7: on anything cybersecurity wise. Or should they just be shut 630 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 7: down and defunded or can they be changed from within? 631 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 9: My general view is that there are lots of things 632 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 9: that the government ought to get rid of entirely, but 633 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 9: that can be hard to do, especially at the beginning, 634 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 9: and my experience especially you know when I worked in 635 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 9: Congress a clerk for Clarence Thomas several years ago, and 636 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 9: I worked in Congress confirming President Trump's judges. And my 637 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 9: view of this is that personnel's policy and making these 638 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 9: personnel decisions about who's going to run Sissa, who's going 639 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 9: to run the FCC, who's going to be at the FTC, 640 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 9: who's going to be at the State Department. Sort of 641 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 9: making these contracting decisions with these NGOs is critically important. 642 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 9: And you know, some of this just has to be 643 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 9: categorically shut down. Some of it is too diseased to cure, 644 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 9: but others, you know, I think that there can be 645 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 9: cures to this sort of thing, but it becomes really 646 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 9: important both to pick the right people to run these things, 647 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 9: and also, look, we have this problem. 648 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 4: I've written about it at the FTC. 649 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 9: We have this problem where we have like two different 650 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 9: types of governments. We have the government that we elect 651 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 9: at the ballot box, which is the president who selects 652 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 9: his cabinet. But then we have this massive bureaucratic apparatus 653 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 9: underneath them that have. 654 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 4: Been here before the election, and. 655 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 9: They think they're going to be here after the election, 656 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 9: and they often sort of like operate for their own 657 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 9: interests without thinking of the common good of you and me. 658 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 4: And our fellow Americans. 659 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 9: And I think that President Trump's election gives a real 660 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 9: opportunity to the government and to us as Americans to 661 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 9: address that problem, which is, how do we get control 662 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 9: of sort of the administrative state, or the deep state, 663 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 9: which is another name for it, that sort of operates 664 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 9: independently of the political part of the government that. 665 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 4: You and I have voted for and. 666 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 9: Tends to do stuff that's inconsistent with americans interests, even 667 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 9: if that isn't what the American people voted for. And 668 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 9: I think that that's one of the big important fights 669 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 9: that President Trump is going to have, is sort of 670 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 9: getting his arms around the deep state and turning it 671 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 9: toward the interest of the American people. 672 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 4: At least in my own experience at the FTC, I 673 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 4: think one. 674 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 9: Of the most important ways to do that is the 675 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 9: power to remove officials. And for a long time, Congress 676 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 9: insulated officials kind of across the board from being removed 677 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 9: by the sort of political operations of you know, the 678 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 9: politically appointed people at these branches. The Court has been 679 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 9: scaling that back. The Court has been striking down removal protections. 680 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 9: I think that's moving in the right direction, But I 681 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 9: don't think, you know, I don't think we should pin 682 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 9: all our hopes in just shutting down parts of the government. 683 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 9: Parts of it we're going to have to, but parts 684 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 9: of it are going to be harder to do. I 685 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 9: think we need to pin our hopes on getting the 686 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 9: right people politically appointed in the government and then taking 687 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 9: very seriously that everyone in the government, from the lowest 688 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 9: career official to the highest appointed official from President Trump, 689 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 9: works for the American people and it is never in 690 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 9: the interest of the American people to censor their speech. 691 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 4: This country depends on all of. 692 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 9: Us being able to share our ideas, and bad speech 693 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 9: doesn't go. 694 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 4: Away because of censorship. 695 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 9: The only way to counter miss information is real information, 696 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 9: and that means we need the free exchange of ideas in. 697 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 4: A marketplace of ideas. 698 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 9: And I think that I am so excited about the 699 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 9: prospects after this election of the president getting control of 700 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 9: the deep state and turning the government in favor of 701 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 9: the interests of the American people rather than against them. 702 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 7: Andrew, if people want to follow you, stay up to 703 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 7: date with everything you're doing, I'm sure the audience rests 704 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 7: very well, seems very well at night knowing that people 705 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 7: like you are heading up the FTC and actual government 706 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 7: entity that we can support. Truly, thank you for everything 707 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 7: you've done. Where can people go to stay up to 708 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 7: date with everything you're working on? 709 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 9: You can follow me at a ferguson FTC on X 710 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 9: and you can go to the Commission's website FDC dot gov, 711 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 9: and you can go to my biography page on FTC 712 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 9: goddemweb dot gov. Website has got all of my dissents 713 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 9: and concurrences where I talk about AI censorship and promoting 714 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 9: innovation in our vibrant American economy. 715 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 7: You know you're a good guest when Mike Davis is 716 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 7: texting me while you're on talking. 717 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 3: And gassing you up, piping you up. Obviously, the Posse 718 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 3: loves Mike Davis. Yes he is. I think MSNBC agrees 719 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 3: with me. So does Jack Smith maybe. 720 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 7: Andrew, thank you so much for joining us. We will 721 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 7: happily have you back on soon. I would love to 722 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 7: get more in depth on all of these issues. It's 723 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 7: near and dear to the war Room Posse's heart and 724 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 7: mind too. Andrew, thank you so much for joining us 725 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 7: in Warren Posse, thank you for hanging with me. We're 726 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 7: going to come to doctor Naomi Wolf after the break. 727 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: We've got to go through. 728 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 7: Give you the signal not noise on the latest sort 729 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 7: of HHS vaccine health adjacent picks and Trump's cabinet. 730 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 3: And how indeed we are going to MAHA. 731 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 7: We're going to make America healthy again, and doctor Naomi 732 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 7: Wolf is a crucial part of that. 733 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 734 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 6: War use your host Stephen game. 735 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 3: That you're back in the war room. 736 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 7: We are joined now by doctor Naomi Wolf, who I 737 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 7: just sort of want to tee it up for her 738 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 7: and let her go off till the end of the show. 739 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 7: Just your sort of broad overarching analysis of a lot 740 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 7: of Trump's cabinet picks, an IH director, AJHS secretary, kind 741 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 7: of kind of all that, your thoughts on where we stand. 742 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he's a fast learner. I've got to hand 743 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 5: it to President Trump. He pivots very very quickly. And 744 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 5: I don't know whether that's that his picks were made 745 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 5: in advance for some key health nominations and some were 746 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 5: seen as duds by MAHA and others were really really 747 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 5: good that just happened to follow them, or if he 748 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 5: actually learns in real time as he's choosing and seeing 749 00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 5: the reaction. 750 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 10: But there were a slate of. 751 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 5: Nominees that you know, range from kind of a three 752 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 5: uh in their reception by you know, general audiences, but 753 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 5: especially the Nake America Healthy Again team who's been watching 754 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 5: as avidly, And then there was an absolute home run 755 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 5: or several you know home runs. So basically we all 756 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 5: know about RFK Junior having been first tapped to lead HHS, 757 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 5: and that's going to be a fight, obviously. You know, 758 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 5: there's a lot at stake, a lot of powerful industries, 759 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 5: don't you know, don't. 760 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 10: Want this pick to go through and don't want to give. 761 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 5: That incredible amount of power to someone who, you know, 762 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 5: as I've said here recently on your show, knows how 763 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 5: to read the crimes that are buried in the records 764 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 5: of the agencies that he'll be overseeing. But last Friday, 765 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 5: President Trump also released former Representative day Weldon to direct 766 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 5: the CDC, which is really interesting. He's, you know, a 767 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 5: Republican former congressman from Florida. He is and I would 768 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 5: say an uncontroversial pick, but it does. It is refreshing 769 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 5: that the CDC, which was the site of so much wrongdoing, 770 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 5: and it's going to be in the hands of someone 771 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 5: who's at least not in the pocket of Barma or 772 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 5: not in the pocket of you know, these giant healthcare systems. 773 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 5: The way that doctor Rachelle Olensky was Uh. There was 774 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 5: a huge home run with the selection for running the FDA. 775 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 10: Of Marty McCarey. 776 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 5: H and Martin McCarey has been a favorite of kind 777 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 5: of the Brownstone team. 778 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 10: That's a publication. 779 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 5: Run by our friend Jeffrey Tucker, who has been promoting the. 780 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 10: Work of Martin McCarry. 781 00:43:53,440 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 5: Martin McCary is a highly credentialed, highly trained kind of institutional. 782 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 10: Health guy who has come forward during the last two 783 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 10: years to. 784 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 5: Be publicly critical, including the Wall Street Journal, which was 785 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 5: the first Legacy media outlet as I recall, to run 786 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 5: that kind of perspective, highly critical of the lockdowns and 787 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,959 Speaker 5: very critical of the mandates. 788 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 10: It doesn't mean that. 789 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 5: He has a perfect record from the very kind of 790 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 5: demanding point of view of hardcore MAHA people like the 791 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 5: health community leadership. It's been an evolution for him, but 792 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 5: he's a highly credential person. I don't think he's going 793 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 5: to have any problem, and I think he's popular. 794 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 10: There's been no resistance that I've. 795 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 5: Seen from both MAHA and legacy kind of establishment figures. 796 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 10: Now there was a dud. 797 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 5: Just to be honest, Jeanette missche wat as the next 798 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 5: search in general really fell flat. She's a former box commentator. 799 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 5: She's been a complete cheerleader. It's a really surprising selection. 800 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 5: She's been a complete cheerleader for vaccines. She's been on 801 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 5: board repeating things that were just not true from the 802 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 5: CDC about safe and effective, you know, vaccines. 803 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 10: She was believed or not in a dancing nurses video. 804 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 805 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 10: She has no record of. 806 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 5: Having given any critical thought to the lockdowns or the mandates. 807 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 4: Uh. 808 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,919 Speaker 5: She's she's encouraged complete compliance masking of children. It's it's 809 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 5: kind of a disastrous from the point of view of 810 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 5: Matt had's a disastrous selection. And I think that the 811 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 5: home run that followed, I think just yesterday, I hope 812 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 5: was a reaction to the very negative response of Maha 813 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 5: to niche wat selection. And so yesterday our favorite favorite 814 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 5: favorite geiniologist, our favorite band doctor, our favorite public health hero, 815 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 5: doctor j. Bodacharia of Stanford, was tapped to run the 816 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 5: National Institutes of Health. And that's huge. Why is that huge? 817 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 5: Doctor Badacharia is one of the signatories of the Great 818 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 5: Barrington Declaration, and the Great Barrington Declaration, as you recall, 819 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 5: was an October. 820 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 10: Twenty twenty manifesto. Essentially that was signed. 821 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 5: By doctor Badicharia, his colleague, doctor Martin Kuldorf, then a 822 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 5: Harvard a distinguished and infectious diseases epidemologist. 823 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 10: Disclosure a friend of mine. I like to believe that 824 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 10: Jay Battaria is also friend of. 825 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 5: Mine, and also doctor Sinetra Gupta of Oxford who's a 826 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 5: vaccine specialist and also an epidemiologist. 827 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 10: All of these distinguished public health experts. 828 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 5: But the Great They Declaration was very controversial. It's if 829 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 5: you go read it now to try, I encourage everyone 830 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 5: to do. It's insanely moderate. Right basically what the Great 831 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 5: Barrenton Declaration says. And again remember this is October twenty twenty, 832 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 5: before the mandates and rollouts, the rollout of the vaccine, 833 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 5: which took place a month later. 834 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 10: That people have been. 835 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 5: Walked at home, kids had been forced away from the classroom, 836 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 5: and it basically says natural immunity is real. 837 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 10: Sooner or later we're going to reach her tommunity. 838 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 5: The young, healthy people are at very little risk from this, 839 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 5: less than a serious flue. They should be left alone 840 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 5: to go to class, go to work. You know, everyone 841 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 5: should go back to school. And basically the only people 842 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 5: who are at serious risk from this disease, are the 843 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 5: very elderly and immunocompromised, and they should be supported. In 844 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 5: kind of being being protected, they called it focused protection, 845 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 5: So basically they were saying, let everyone out of their 846 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 5: cages and if people are at a special risk, give 847 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 5: them support, help them get through this completely. 848 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 7: See and doctor Wilfe, we're coming up against the end 849 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 7: of the show. 850 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 3: We'll definitely have you back there so much that we 851 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 3: got to go through. 852 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 7: But in the meantime, if people want to follow you 853 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 7: get all the Daily Cloud stuff, the books, where can 854 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 7: they go to do that? 855 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 10: Thank you? 856 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 5: They really should go to the Pezer papers on Amazon 857 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 5: and order multiple copies and support us at daily cloud 858 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 5: dot io and support me on Outspoken on substack. Thank 859 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 5: you so much. I love your new set and happy, happy, 860 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 5: happy Saturday. 861 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. 862 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 7: I know the audience that used to move and then 863 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 7: the audience was like, I'm getting seasick. 864 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 3: And needs to stop moving. So I told this you 865 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,879 Speaker 3: know that they need to posit a little upgrade from 866 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:46,760 Speaker 3: the Palm Trees. 867 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 7: Doctor will thank you so much for joining us on 868 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 7: this lovely Saturday morning. And Warren posse as always thank 869 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 7: you for hanging out with me. Quite a packed show. 870 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 7: I will see you back here on Monday. 871 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 3: Have a good one.