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Speaker 5: You know, five and five at the buys and play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that was big. That was big. That

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go places. Was kind of conventional.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know I didn't come up. But there's

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Speaker 1: So what are we gonna do? All Right, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be here for two hours talking Patriots. We heard from

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Speaker 1: Maybe some key On White returning. I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: A couple guys released yesterday we can get to as well,

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Speaker 1: some interesting things. And otherwise we're we're turning the page,

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Speaker 1: as Fred likes to say, to the Dolphins, and they're

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Speaker 1: we being in Fellas? Shall we begin yesterday with Malie

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Speaker 1: Connem getting released my player to watch from last week.

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Speaker 5: Of course we tried to act on the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: I know, but he's definitely not a player to win.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't think he'll get claimed off waivers?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's clear that Born and Pop

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was practicing last week all week in limited

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Speaker 1: I just think there's gonna be rise in the streets

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Speaker 5: And I think like a guy like Kendrick Bourne, who

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Speaker 5: But now I don't know if we know that in

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, like that's he's just kind

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Speaker 4: What I would worry about is, Okay, so you extend

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Speaker 4: we'll bring in Marfard Harrison to be the number one,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think like with Juju, just based off of

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Speaker 4: That's what it seems like on paper.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't know how now they got somebody

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Speaker 5: But it does preclude them, I think, from just completely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess we'll get a glimpse this weekend

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Speaker 4: You know, there's enough. There's enough there to have a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah quickly. Also on the Trey Flowers thing, so

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Speaker 4: Any And I don't know the rule like going to

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Speaker 5: So he had twenty one days. They activated him on

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Speaker 4: like they had to really to do what You'll cut

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Speaker 5: So I don't know, it depends on and we'll find

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Speaker 5: then they couldn't just automatically resign him. Connor McDermott situation

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Speaker 4: It's based on how many weeks you think a guy's

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Speaker 1: He's not, you know, by Bama. Yeah, not a devastating

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Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting was bar More. You know,

436
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: not as as glowing or as long as he kind

437
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 1: of went on about Jennings, but I just thought it

438
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: was interesting. He said something the effective you know, he's

439
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: being able to make plays within the structure of the defense,

440
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: And to me, that kind of signal that Barmore kind

441
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: of freestyle sometimes and that's not what they want. And

442
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 1: right now he's doing what he's supposed to do and

443
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 1: he's having some success because of it.

444
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought Bill's talk about him a little bit.

445
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 4: This morning was interesting too, just about how he was

446
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 4: able to train differently and better more effectively because he

447
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 4: was healthy. When he first started that answer, I was like, Oh,

448
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 4: is this another one of those guys that wasn't doing

449
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 4: And then he quickly got it back on track. You know,

450
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 4: he was able to train because he was healthy, and

451
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 4: I think he felt like he had a better offseason

452
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 4: this year than he did previously.

453
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love talking to Barmore in the locker room

454
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 5: about pass rush and things like that, and he's a

455
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 5: great quote and I've talked to him in the past

456
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 5: about learning how to play within the system, and I

457
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 5: think that was a challenge for him, absolutely was. In

458
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 5: this defense, the gap discipline is the number one thing,

459
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 5: Like if you get out of your gap, they're going

460
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 5: to get on you for that. And he had to

461
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 5: figure out, how can I make an impact while also

462
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 5: doing what they want me to do, and that I

463
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 5: think was a challenge for him at times. But I

464
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 5: think he's really figured out when to pick his spots.

465
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: And in this pass game against the Bills, they basically

466
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 5: challenged him and said, hey, like we need some push

467
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 5: up the middle this game, Like against Josh Allen because

468
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 5: the edge guys are going to have to keep him

469
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 5: in the pocket and we're gonna have to be able to,

470
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 5: you know, get to him up the middle. And you know,

471
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 5: he had a great game, So I think he's starting

472
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 5: to figure out how to use that best rush and

473
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 5: when to use it and when to hold his gap.

474
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 5: And he's definitely been better against the run this year

475
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 5: as well.

476
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: That's one of the interesting things I picked up from

477
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: I always try to listen to coming to and I think,

478
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, he's great, but he talks a lot about

479
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: just the challenge of going from two gapping and kind

480
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: of holding the guy up to then realizing it's a

481
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: pass and transitioning to a pass rush, and it's it's

482
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: got to be a difficult thing for a guy like Barmore,

483
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: who probably was just like a Bama like just go

484
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: get the quarterback, you know, like you just run through

485
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: the gap, you know, and now it's it's it's having

486
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: to you know, use two different techniques within the same

487
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: the same down. Being able to be strong and hold

488
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: your ground and and not get pushed back, but then

489
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: also able to shed that block and you know, get

490
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: up field. So maybe maybe he's making progress. I think

491
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: we're all excited about it.

492
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 4: That he was great. Yeah, I mean he really had

493
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 4: an impact on that game the other day.

494
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we need they need him to and continuing

495
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: this week into into Miami. Like I said, we heard

496
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: from Bill anything else from Bill that was of note

497
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: or particularly interesting. Certainly he talked about all these guys

498
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: were talking about Jennings Raeger, I mean the hot pats

499
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: that are Yeah.

500
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: I mean, for the most part, I thought he had

501
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: regular Bill answers. I did think a couple of things

502
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: were interesting. One when he was sort of asked about

503
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 4: Trent Brown and the question was posed, you know, it's

504
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: just the best football you've seen Trent Brown play. And

505
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 4: Bill wasn't having it, you know, And it wasn't because

506
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 4: he wasn't wanting to give Trent Brown any credit. It

507
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 4: was like, don't make it out to be that this

508
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: has been anything all the special. This is what we

509
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: you know, We've gotten a lot of good football from him.

510
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: So I do think that there is a and I

511
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 4: know I'm on the island here. I think there's an

512
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: abnormal sort of impression of what Trent Brown is based

513
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 4: on what the coaches as posted to others. But I

514
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: thought it was interesting that no, don't don't make this

515
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 4: out to me that he's playing great right now. This

516
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 4: is kind of what we expect from Trent Brown. That

517
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: was his answer to me. And the other thing that

518
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 4: I thought was interesting I mentioned to you guys off

519
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: air the last question there was. Someone asked a question

520
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 4: about Will Greer in his development as far as you know,

521
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: giving looks on the scout team, having to sort of

522
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 4: emulate different kinds of quarterbacks, And the answer that Bill

523
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: gave was Will and Bailey have both done that and

524
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 4: done a good job of that, which unsolicited. He included

525
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: the fact that Bailey Zappi is also doing the scout work,

526
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: not just Will Greer. So I think that I think

527
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 4: that whole backup quarterback thing, it remains a story.

528
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: The competition probably going on behind the scenes. You think, yes,

529
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: I do.

530
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 5: I mean, at least after coming off this game, it's

531
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 5: like not as big of a story. I don't.

532
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 4: Don't you think one of these games, that's one of

533
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: these weeks we're going to we're going to get the

534
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: the is and Zapi's going to be the third in

535
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: career is going to be just regular on the rule.

536
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: Well, the way people are talking about it, especially after

537
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 5: the Saints game, I thought that in Vegas that career

538
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 5: might be the active as the as the QB two.

539
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: And then they did the whole Malie Cunningham thing.

540
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: So what was that? Yeah?

541
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 5: Right, who knows? But wait, can we go back to

542
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 5: Trent Brown for a second, because I want to, like,

543
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to have you clarify what,

544
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 5: because I think Trent Brown is the most misunderstood player

545
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: on the team. I think he's the most misunderstood player

546
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 5: that like fans consistently get wrong about his play because

547
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 5: every once in a while, like any player, he has

548
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: a bad rep and it kind of his body language stinks,

549
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 5: all right, Like he's he's kind of like just a

550
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 5: loafy guy. He's he's six eight, three eighty pounds, so

551
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 5: sometimes he looks like he's kind of, you know, just

552
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 5: loafing around a little bit, all right. But it's not

553
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: even just pff like in all their like metrics and

554
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 5: grades that I think I put out yesterday or the

555
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 5: day before, you know, I've asked people that I trust

556
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: about offensive line play about this, and like he's playing

557
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 5: right now, like a top ten left tackle in the NFL.

558
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 5: He's one of the best left tackles in the league

559
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: this year. Like I'm not talking about you know, last

560
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: year with all the penalties and things like that is different.

561
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 5: This year. He's one of the best left tackles in

562
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: the NFL. And I feel like he gets so much

563
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: flak for the fact that the way that he carries himself. Yeah,

564
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 5: and it's just like you're not watching.

565
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: Let me let me jump in the first people, I

566
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: don't really have anything well, and I think people know

567
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: how I feel.

568
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: Well, No, what I what I was going to say

569
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: is I think like I'm in the middle. I've just

570
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: do and I hate being in the middle. But I

571
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: think like he's a high maintenance player and it's like,

572
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: what did you have to do to get him to

573
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: this point this year to play at this level and

574
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: it tweake his contract a little bit. You know, you

575
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: need it.

576
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 4: Don't take the cheese, is all I would say. So

577
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: don't take the cheese.

578
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if you guys can think

579
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: of players you know offhand that are that are Yes,

580
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: they're very, very good, but it's a chore to get

581
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: them to that point. Consistently and it's hard to especially

582
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: when contract comes up. Now, you know, Like that's what

583
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to. Let's talk about the offseason.

584
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Is you know, he's playing like the best left tackle.

585
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: What do you have to do to get that out

586
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: of him for not just like next year, but maybe

587
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, two or three years, like like you know,

588
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: you got to give them to me.

589
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 5: That's like, and I don't disagree with either of you,

590
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 5: but I think to me, that's like a separate conversation

591
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: from what I'm trying to get across, right, Like, I

592
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 5: totally get to.

593
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: Pay him he's playing well now yeah.

594
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, playing paying him long term for all the reasons

595
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 5: that that I think Paul is kind of suggesting. I

596
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 5: totally agree. Like he's he's the guy that just like

597
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 5: with the Raiders, you know, he got paid and then

598
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 5: he let go of the rope and when he was hurt,

599
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 5: he didn't really play and like you know, it was

600
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: just that was that. But I just think that out

601
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: of all the people that we could pick on on

602
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: a two and five football team, the fact he wouldn't,

603
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 5: the fact that he gets so much crap is just

604
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: mind blowing to me.

605
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Like it's lofi.

606
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put him on my list for play this year,

607
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 4: but I would say, you know, like again, he's just

608
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: a pain, like, oh it's Friday. Oh I have a

609
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: chest injury that I got this way. Oh, I'm gonna

610
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: be questionable. I don't know, Trent, we really need you

611
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: arm I'll make it. Oh you know ankle, like you

612
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 4: know it's really bothering me or k me, whatever it was.

613
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: And then you know, you got to put the other

614
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: guy in, who clearly is struggling like crazy. He goes

615
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: out there and gets hurt right away, and you gotta

616
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 4: put Trent. Okay, I guess I'll And I'm not telling

617
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: you that he stinks. I think that's part of the

618
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: frustration that comes with me. I don't think he's one

619
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: of the best tackles in the league. Now he might

620
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: be playing like that. Now, I leave that to no

621
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 4: disrespect you experts.

622
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: I do.

623
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't evaluate every lineman, but I just

624
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: don't like the idea of relying on Trent Brown. That's

625
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: totally I think he always will let you down, even

626
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: like he goes to the Raiders. I think that's the

627
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: only time he ever made a probo Yeah, and then

628
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: what could he do to them? Like he just completely

629
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: mailed it in the next year, Like just when you

630
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 4: think you got them.

631
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Well, it's he'll let you down. Such

632
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: an interesting thing this offseason because you've heard Trent say

633
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: in the past like he loves it here, you know,

634
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: everything we said. I feel like it's true. It's an

635
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: important position. You'd love to be able to say we're

636
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: going to bring back a guy who had a great

637
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: year and likes being here and is going to you know,

638
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: bring a monstrous presence. But you know, I I kind

639
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: of go to to Trent Williams, like just that fight

640
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago before the game, where it's

641
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: like he's like the team's enforcer, like he's in the

642
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: midst of everything, you know, and it's like it's hard

643
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: not to kind of covet that presence at left tackle

644
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: where it's just and I know that they're hard to find,

645
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: and it's you know, and I'm not saying, oh, this

646
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: is why we should draft one in the top five,

647
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: but I just feel like, you know, you see what

648
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: what what a really engaged, tough, unquestionable good left tackle

649
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: can kind of bring.

650
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not a pillar. Like, he's not somebody that

651
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 5: you're gonna sign to a long term contract and make

652
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: a captain and be that sort of left tackle that

653
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Speaker 5: you're describing. Like ideally if they did keep him around,

654
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 5: and of course it would have to make sense from

655
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: a financial standpoint, like he's your second best tackle, right

656
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: and you're drafting a Joe Alt or the kid from

657
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 5: Penn State or something like that, and now he's maybe

658
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: flipping back to the right side and he's you know,

659
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: kind of it's not all riding on Trent Brown being

660
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 5: Trent Brown. Like right now, their offensive line is basically

661
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 5: riding on the fact that he's going to go out

662
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 5: there and give it his all every single week, because

663
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: if he starts letting go of the rope with all

664
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Speaker 5: the issues that they have in the other spots, they're

665
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 5: screwed and he gets more, you know, less help, I guess,

666
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 5: is the better way to put it than pretty much

667
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: any tackle in the league. He's one on one on

668
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: the back side every single play and it's on him

669
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: to make the blocks, and he's done a really, really

670
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 5: good job of it. But he's in a contract year.

671
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: It's the same as twenty eighteen with him, where he

672
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: played great for them then. And I you know, I

673
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 5: think Scar always says about him like Trent's about Trent,

674
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: like he's if he wants to be great, he can

675
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: be great. If he doesn't want to be great, it's

676
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: not gonna look good, you know. And that's the bottom line.

677
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: And how many times has he brought up, well, I

678
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: get to be free agent?

679
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 6: You know?

680
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: That was it seems like that was important to him

681
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: with that contract.

682
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 4: And just so you know, I'm not completely heartless, and

683
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: I use different, you know, criteria for different players. I'm

684
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: often I will defend mac Right and I'll say it's

685
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: not fair that you say, like, well, he's not Mahomes,

686
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: he's not all and he's not borrowed like you know,

687
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: those are the best in the league. Okay, So I

688
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: would say the same thing about Trent Brown. Okay, Trent

689
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: Williams is an absolutely elite future Hall of Fame left tackle.

690
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: So I'm not telling you he's got to be him,

691
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?

692
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Right? Tough comparison for me.

693
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: No, no, And I'm not saying you were comparing him,

694
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: but like I get Trent Williams, You know, and you

695
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: know that there's others, but like Trent Williams is one

696
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: that is on a very high profile team right now.

697
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: That's as good as anybody in football. And he does

698
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: it as well, if not better than everybody else in

699
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: the league. So I'm not saying Trent Brown has.

700
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: To be that.

701
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Well, our basketball guys, quick email just Patrick and outawis

702
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: is what do we got? Brown both have terrible body language.

703
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: He equals Embiid.

704
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: I think Embeid I would learnt.

705
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I would like Trent Brown a

706
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: lot more. Yeah, if he was like equal to Embiid. Yeah,

707
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: all right, Well, I feel like we've sufficiently Suddenly. Anthony

708
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: Munos is playing a left tackle for us.

709
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I love him. We stuck the table pull. Fred likes

710
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: to say, let's let's jump over the phones because we've

711
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: got some people hanging on here.

712
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: We're going a little early. Fred usually likes the way

713
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: Tilly five forty five. Yeah, I'm just saying, oh man,

714
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: just saying I don't have enough to bring to the table.

715
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: All right, well, Fred, Fred's food will be here soon though.

716
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Good Patty.

717
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: Waited too.

718
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: All right, we'll blast through these real quick, hey, Matthew

719
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: and New Mexico. Hey Matthew, Hey, guys.

720
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 8: How's it going. So we've seen the Dolphins buying their

721
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 8: pretty beat up and Christian Bomber and then have been

722
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 8: playing pretty good. And it seems like when they're on

723
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 8: the road that's when like they get but I don't

724
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 8: know if it's like their quick counts or whatever, but

725
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 8: they's like tu of gets like all off his rhythm.

726
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 8: But do you guys think that we can uh really

727
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 8: do some damage to the line? And what is like

728
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 8: how many points does the offense have to score do

729
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 8: you think for us to win? And just one more thing.

730
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 8: I don't know if Evan's there. Yeah, but like we

731
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 8: saw like so much motion last against the Bills, and

732
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 8: like I guess explain to me, like I'm five, Like

733
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 8: why haven't we seen that in the past Kansas personnel

734
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 8: to Pops been hurt or is it just you know,

735
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 8: let's just see what works. What do you guys think?

736
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Speaker 1: Thanks Matthew, right start with that.

737
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Speaker 4: You can do your motion stuff, your emotion stuff.

738
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Speaker 5: So actually, you know, I had I looked this up

739
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: because I thought the same thing from the eye test

740
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 5: about the motion and you know, next gen says that

741
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: their motion is has increased by about twenty percent over

742
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 5: the last two weeks compared to the first five games

743
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: of the season. Their their motion at the snap is

744
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 5: about the same, but they're they're shifting more plus motioning

745
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: a little bit more, so that that number gets to

746
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: that point. I think it's two things. One, I don't

747
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: necessarily know if they are motioning more or if they're

748
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: just motioning better, if that makes sense. And like, I

749
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 5: think that speaks to using the right guys in motion.

750
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: Like now instead of Juju going in motion, it's Pop

751
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: Douglas going in motion, or it's Kendrick Bourne going in

752
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: motion or Taekwon, like you know, they're faster receivers, and

753
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 5: I think it's just been more impactful and some of

754
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: the you know motions early on in the year, you know,

755
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 5: when they were running those like three tight end sets,

756
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 5: it's Mike Gasicki going in motion and it's like no

757
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: defense to Mike Gasicki. But that doesn't have the same

758
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 5: impact on the defense as a four to four guy

759
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: like Pop Douglas does when he's coming across the field.

760
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 5: So I think that that's a big part of it

761
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: is that I don't know if they've necessarily really done

762
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: it at a significantly higher rate more than they have

763
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: figured out they've mastered it a little bit more. They're

764
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 5: just better at it, and maybe they were a couple

765
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Speaker 5: of weeks ago. I also think, you know, in that

766
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 5: game last week, it helps when you can keep doing

767
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff because you're not down by twenty

768
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: points at halftime, right, So like when you're in the

769
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 5: game still all that game plan stuff and all those

770
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: wrinkles and the Bill O'Brien stuff, can you can keep

771
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: doing it because you're not The game's not, you know,

772
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: running away from you.

773
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 4: That isn't like an underrated part of it. Like when

774
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: you were down in the second half by multiple scores.

775
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: You can't be snapping the ball with like one second

776
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: on the play clock every play. You gotta get you

777
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: gotta get some rhythms. So that's if you're gonna do

778
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: all that motion and shit, you know, pre snap movement

779
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: that takes time, And if you're chasing two scores, that's

780
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: when you get the seventeen play drive that everybody's upset about,

781
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 4: you know, which would have been fine if you were

782
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: down four and you took seventeen plays to score and

783
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: you go ahead, do you know what I mean? Yeah,

784
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: Like some of the that stuff I think is also

785
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: game script under yeah, underrated.

786
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: I just think that's a context point that continually comes

787
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: up on this show, and I think you always do

788
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: a good job, Paul of reminding us of it. But

789
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: like how much of we want to extract from a game?

790
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: But there was a big lead, you know, and it

791
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: just totally changes the complexion of the game, what teams

792
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: can do, what's on the table, what isn't you know,

793
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: like by the same token, and thinking about Miami this week,

794
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: it's it's just hard to stop them when they get

795
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 1: a lead and everything's working and everything's on the table,

796
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: and it kind of snowballs on you. But you know,

797
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: I think you do a good job of you know,

798
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: you come out with these stats and it's like, well, yeah,

799
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: they had to throw the ball a lot or for

800
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: whatever reason, like because they're no like thirty points. Yeah,

801
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: like those kind of things.

802
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: Bill, Bill Belichick and Bill O'Brien didn't want Mac Jones

803
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: throwing the ball fifty times and like the opener, Yeah,

804
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: but whatever, I think he threw it fifty times. It

805
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: gets go out.

806
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: He had the most pass attempts in the league through

807
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: two for a while.

808
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: I think he's still like fifth. Yeah, So they don't

809
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: want to do that, and that's why the games that

810
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: they won, I think they threw like twenty nine and

811
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: thirty passes. That's what that's what they want balance, you know,

812
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: and you know, Evan will tell you. And I don't

813
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 4: have the numbers in front of me, but I'm sure

814
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: Evan does. Like the pressure rate per pass was probably

815
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 4: better on Sunday, but probably still kind of high, you know.

816
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 4: And I don't have the number in front of me,

817
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: but it seemed like if they threw the ball forty

818
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: forty five times, they probably would have been sacked four times.

819
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 4: And to my you know, in my in my mind,

820
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: eventually epiness is getting there instead of being half a

821
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 4: step slow on the on the backside on that on

822
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: that play to Hunter Henry as an example. The other

823
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: thing that the caller asked about was Miami's offensive line.

824
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: We should add Isaiah Win was also placed on injury

825
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: reserve yesterday, So that makes toront Omsteed left tackle and

826
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: Win left guard.

827
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: They're both out and the.

828
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: Starting center is Connor Williams. Right, Yeah, he missed the

829
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: last two games.

830
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be Eichenberg again.

831
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 4: So he's not playing definite, I'm pretty sure. So yeah,

832
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: that's it. I think that's an area that you can exploit.

833
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: Although Eikenberg at center hasn't been a disaster, he was

834
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: a disappointment earlier in his Dolphins career.

835
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: Drafted him to play tackle right, and he hasn't really

836
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 5: been able to do that. But I think what it

837
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 5: comes down to at this Miami game, and I'm gonna

838
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: you know right about this in game plan is just

839
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 5: the Eagles were able to disrupt the timing of the

840
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: Dolphins offense. And I think a lot of people watch

841
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 5: that game and just put it all on the pass

842
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: rush and say, oh, well, the Eagles have a great

843
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: front and they just got after Tua. But I think

844
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 5: the bigger thing was is that they disrupted the receivers

845
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: on the outside. Tua is a rhythm based thrower. Like

846
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 5: he when he's in rhythm, he's as good as anybody.

847
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: If you can throw off the timing of the entire

848
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 5: passing game, it can really, you know, affect his efficiency.

849
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 5: And I think the biggest thing was, you know, those

850
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: quick throws underneath the defense. Because the Patriots are playing

851
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: all this soft zone coverage and they were eight yards

852
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage on every play, We're gaining

853
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: like hind yards of pop. Whereas against the Eagles, they

854
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: were jamming the receivers at the line, and they were

855
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: playing the two deep safeties behind it to protect them

856
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: against the deep balls. But they had there was the

857
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 5: corners up on the line of scrimmage jamming Tyreek Hill

858
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: and Jalen Waddle and disrupting the timing. And now those

859
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 5: short throws become later in the down, and now you know,

860
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: you rally to the football and you make tackles. And

861
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 5: I think that was the biggest difference that I watched

862
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: of that game was the Patriots didn't even give their

863
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 5: front a chance three high, right, Yeah, they didn't even

864
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: give them a chance to get after the quarterback. In

865
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: Week two, the Eagles, they got up into everybody's face.

866
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: They challenged them at the line of scrimmage and they

867
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: made to hold the ball, and that's how they were

868
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: able to get after him a little bit.

869
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: I also thought they did a great job of completely

870
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: taking the run away like that wasn't there was like

871
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: one drive in the third quarter where Most seemed to

872
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: get it going a little bit, But for the most

873
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 4: part in the first half, I think he had negative

874
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: yardage and in particular on the edge, was really disruptive

875
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: with his penetration. So I think, you know, back to

876
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: our guy Anthony Jennings, you know him and Wise, I

877
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: think have been pretty good, you know, edge setting in

878
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: recent weeks. Their run defense, I think they're number one

879
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: in the league, the Patriots in yards per carry allowed.

880
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: I think that if they lead the league. So I

881
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: think that was a problem in the first game. It

882
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: wasn't It wasn't the problem, but Most ended up with

883
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 4: like one hundred and twenty some odd yards and had

884
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: the forty three yard touchdown that kind of put the

885
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 4: game away in the fourth quarter. They can't allow that. Yeah,

886
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: make him one dimensional?

887
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: He was really he wasn't productive against the Bills in

888
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: that in that loss either. I just I guess a

889
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: question I have and I haven't really I don't have

890
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: an opinion. I haven't really researched. It is just, you know,

891
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: is Miami able to run when it's not scheme out,

892
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: like when it's not friendly and they're leading, and it's

893
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: a light box. And you know what I mean, like

894
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: when they have to run in the.

895
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: Up against No, Like, I wouldn't like Miami's chances protecting

896
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 4: a four point lead in the four mint of offense.

897
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: I don't think that's the way they are built.

898
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 5: They would just make it an eleven pointment.

899
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying, like, we need three first downs.

900
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: We want to run the ball three times, and you

901
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 4: get three first downs. And this game with a kneel down.

902
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: That's not their that's not their style.

903
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: So they they have gained significantly more yards before contact

904
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 5: than any other offense in the league in the running

905
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 5: game because they play so many light boxes because everybody's

906
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 5: terrified of the speed on the outside, so they play

907
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 5: all these light boxes and they do a good job schematically.

908
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: You know, Mike McDaniels is really his roots are as

909
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: a run game coordinator, and he does a great job.

910
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: I mean, their their schemes in the run game are

911
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: as exotic and creative as anybody's. And so he creates,

912
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, really advantageous blocking situations with motion and angles

913
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 5: and things like that. And you know, like was it

914
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: at g end Right the rookie who's not going to

915
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 5: play in this game.

916
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: He that which is over twelve yards again, yeah, and

917
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 4: he has like forty carries.

918
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he and it's all yards before contact, not

919
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 5: because it's like all manufactured for him, but because nobody

920
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: is contacting him through the line of scrimmage. And then

921
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: he's got four to three speeds. So once he gets

922
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: into the secondary, he's just gone yea. And so they don't,

923
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 5: you know, most are it's similar Like most, it's not

924
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 5: as fast. I don't think he's as explosive anymore, you know,

925
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 5: wear and tear and things like that. But it's just

926
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: that was a key part of the game early for

927
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 5: the Eagles was that they were able to stop the

928
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 5: run out of two high shells. If you've got to

929
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: be able to stop the run against this team out

930
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: of a light box because you can't put the extra

931
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 5: guys in the box.

932
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see more of the Patriots what

933
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: they busted out week two with the three high safeties

934
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: or do you think now you have Jonathan Jones back,

935
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: didn't have him week two. Do you think to your point, Evan,

936
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: you put JC and him down on the line, you

937
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: try to jam and then you put, you know, just

938
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: two safeties back over them, and you know, maybe try

939
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: to muddle the middle of the field a little bit.

940
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: You don't know who's gonna come or who's gonna drop out.

941
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Might that be something?

942
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 5: And you can see that's what the Eagles did. I mean,

943
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: the Eagles got up on these guys faces. They jammed

944
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: him at the line of scrimmage. They didn't play a

945
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: ton of man coverage. It was it was like almost

946
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 5: all zone. But when they played man, they played played

947
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: a lot of two man coverage, which allows the defenders

948
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: to play inside leverage on the receivers. So that the

949
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: two things that Tua loves to do. Obviously throw in rhythm,

950
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: but he throws more inbreaking routes than just about any

951
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: quarterback in the league. Right he wants to throw post crossers,

952
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: slants like that's his bread and butter. So what the

953
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: Eagles did was they put their corners inside shade on

954
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: the receivers and cut off the middle of the field

955
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: and said, if you're gonna beat us, you're gonna beat

956
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 5: us out outside. And then they put the safety over

957
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: the top. So basically all they were giving him were

958
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: like outbreaking routes into the sideline and like, if that's

959
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 5: how you want to win, then like go ahead, you know,

960
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: like you know, tip your cap if you're able to

961
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 5: hit those passes.

962
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: In I'd be shocked they did the first meeting, and

963
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 4: not because of personnel, because I think in some ways

964
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: personnel is weaker this one because you lose Gonzales. Yeah,

965
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: but I just can't imagine that they would give the

966
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 4: same look when it wasn't. That's not generally what they do,

967
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: Like they're gonna, they're gonna, Yeah, they're gonna do things

968
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: differently from from one match up to the next. But

969
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: in particular the way that I think Tua showed them

970
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: that he didn't have to go to hill and didn't

971
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: have to rely on on you know, big big shot

972
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: plays too to really have an effective night.

973
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Now we'll people watching for Waddle today on the injury report.

974
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: He's scene.

975
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention Trump Brown too. I mean, he

976
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: will see if he's out there today, he could be

977
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: another one that that you know, might be dealing with something,

978
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: so that could complicate it.

979
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 5: I mean that was a big part of that game.

980
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: In week two is you had Vederian Lowe and Calvin

981
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: Anderson as you're starting tackles and they just were turnstiles

982
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: and every time the Patriots tried to drop back pass,

983
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: they they couldn't because Mac was undersea because of the tackles.

984
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 5: So if they can get the same offensive line out

985
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 5: there that they had last week, then maybe they'll be

986
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: a little bit better. They their longest pass completion against

987
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: Miami in week two is fourteen yards. It was like

988
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: they they had their longest play from scrimmage was an

989
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 5: eighteen yard scramble by Mac Jones. They had zero plays

990
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: over twenty yards against Miami in week two. Like that,

991
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 5: that's not a winning formula.

992
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: Looked like lamar out there. Let's jump back to the

993
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: phones here. Todd in North Carolina, Haye.

994
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 9: Todd, Hey, guys, that's a very long time player or

995
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 9: I wish as a follower since like nineteen seventy three

996
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 9: when we first got the games up in Canada. I

997
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 9: felt really really disappointed at the start of this year.

998
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 9: I was really just kind of choked up, unhappy and

999
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 9: looking for something. Now that we kind of have something,

1000
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 9: I really want to know, is there any hope of

1001
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 9: getting some help for the defense, Like, is there any

1002
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 9: cats that Gonzo can come back or Juda.

1003
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: Or is that that season Judon could Gonzo can't.

1004
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: It has already been like on the sidelines and stuff.

1005
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 9: So I don't know's I would like mm I would

1006
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 9: like him to do actually at this trade deadline, because

1007
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 9: I actually get the defense and help. I want to see.

1008
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 9: I'm not saying make the playoffs.

1009
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 10: I just want to.

1010
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 9: See what they can do. What can they make happen

1011
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 9: with this what they've got. Yeah, I know it's not

1012
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 9: the best, but I really I don't want them to

1013
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 9: throw games. I want to see, like, come on, Bill,

1014
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 9: show us what you got. Come on, guys, let's see

1015
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 9: what you can do.

1016
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: What would you add to like what kind of what

1017
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: position would you the corner?

1018
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 9: I think we need a corner corner depth.

1019
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: And I don't know what he did just acquire one

1020
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 4: like two weeks ago, I mean.

1021
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 5: Been pretty good, not great, pretty good.

1022
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 4: I mean they did they did trade for J. C. Jackson.

1023
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: But I want.

1024
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 9: Speed and capability because I.

1025
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: Don't a lot of those will be available, I would imagine.

1026
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 5: Don't don't.

1027
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: I just I don't understand, Like I just don't understand.

1028
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: I don't. I you're two and five and you want

1029
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 4: to add to the defense.

1030
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I think the offense is kind of said,

1031
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 9: let's see.

1032
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: What the offense is set. Yeah, okay, I think most

1033
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: people would disagree with that. I think most people would

1034
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: say that was the first time in two and a

1035
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: half years that the offense looked like a legitimate offense. Yeah.

1036
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1037
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 8: What would you do.

1038
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: I wouldn't do anything. We're two and five. I wouldn't

1039
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: trade anybody, and I wouldn't acquire anybody. I would just

1040
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: I would just continue to work the way we've been

1041
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: talking about with some of the younger guys or some

1042
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 4: not even younger guys in some cases less experienced guys.

1043
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: But Evan's been banging the drum for Mapu. I totally

1044
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: agree with them, Like, get them on the field and

1045
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: get them some experience so these guys can grow together.

1046
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: Like to Mario Douglas, to me, was a guy who

1047
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 4: looked like he was making some mental errors earlier in

1048
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: the year. Let him play through the mental errors and

1049
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 4: see if they go away or if they continue, then

1050
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 4: he's not a player. And you find that out. But

1051
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 4: you can't find that out from the sideline.

1052
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: I'm with you, So one hundred and ten percent about

1053
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: just staying pat like let's just keep the team together

1054
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: that they have play the season out. And I think

1055
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 5: that that's, you know, the big thing yesterday. You know,

1056
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 5: I was excited that they want a game. Okay, I'm

1057
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 5: gonna be honest with you. I was excited that they want.

1058
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: To but I am too, And let me just I know,

1059
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: I'm rude. Sometimes if you keep winning, yeah, it's going

1060
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: to prove that you didn't need to do that, right, Like,

1061
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: you have the players that are getting better, Like that's

1062
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: what the goal should be. If you fall short, then okay,

1063
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: you you can have the off season where you have

1064
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: your draft and you have a lot of money to

1065
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: spend and you can fill in some gaps that you

1066
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: feel like you might have, Like I mean, no, no,

1067
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: I just I get a little frustrated with the you know,

1068
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: we're one and five, and who are we going to trade?

1069
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: And we're two and five and who are going to get?

1070
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 5: Like well, that's my point where you know, yes, I

1071
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 5: think we're all excited that they way they looked against

1072
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 5: the Bills, they won a game that they never win,

1073
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 5: at least in this era of the page.

1074
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 4: It was the most enjoyable game that we've had in

1075
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: a long.

1076
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: Run, right, And that's great. But I think what you

1077
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: have to recognize, and I'm talking to myself a little

1078
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 5: bit here too, is that you have to like, you know,

1079
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: we got to look at the whole body of work.

1080
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: And I don't mean just like at the beginning of

1081
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: the season. I also mean, like, let's just play this

1082
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Speaker 5: out and see where we're at in January, and let's

1083
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: get some answers about some of these guys. Like to

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00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 5: Paul's point earlier, I think that they have enough offensively

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Speaker 5: that we can determine whether or not it's worth building

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Speaker 5: around mac Jones or not by the end of this year,

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Speaker 5: especially with Bill O'Brien starting to figure some things out

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00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 5: and cooking it up, Like let's see what it looks

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00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 5: like in week seventeen, week eighteen and how we feel

1090
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Speaker 5: about it, and then look and then make.

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Speaker 4: Any difference, right, you know, maybe that was an example,

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Speaker 4: I mean evidence that they this set, yeah, like or

1093
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Speaker 4: have been talked about.

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Speaker 5: A few pieces or there's just a few pieces away,

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00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: you know, like maybe like maybe instead of looking at

1096
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Speaker 5: had a quarterback in the in the first round, they're

1097
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Speaker 5: looking at a tackle or a receiver or something like that.

1098
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Speaker 5: But I think what you have to do, you know,

1099
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Speaker 5: we ride the wave, and like we have to do

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Speaker 5: a show today, and like you know yesterday, and the

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00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: topic yesterday was the coming off a win, and that's positive,

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Speaker 5: but in general, it's gonna be until unfortunately January, until

1103
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Speaker 5: you make these like big picture decisions of the direction

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Speaker 5: of the roster and the team and head coach included.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to really need to win four

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Speaker 4: games in a row. Yeah, like you need to get

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Speaker 4: to five or five, like, and then if you do that,

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Speaker 4: it's in play then you can possibly talk about getting

1109
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Speaker 4: in playoff position. Yep, let's let's go play.

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Speaker 1: Let's just grab Eldred here before we take a quick break. Haildred,

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Speaker 1: there is.

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Speaker 4: Great good street.

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Speaker 5: But what Evan and Paul was talking about.

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Speaker 9: But I still say you need a numbre receiver, I

1115
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Speaker 9: will always be dead drum.

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Speaker 5: But I got one question.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I know everybody think a mirror.

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Speaker 11: Speed would just use the rookie and then he didn't

1119
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Speaker 11: do that much or whatever.

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Speaker 10: But with that size and that speed, I know you

1121
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Speaker 10: had to make a roster move, but you.

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Speaker 7: Couldn't put him on the practice squad or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Somebody grabbed him, right, I don't know what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they couldn't get him on the practice squad because

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Speaker 4: because someone claimed him. Ye I think the Colts, right, yep,

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Speaker 4: oh Speed. Yeah, it didn't clear waivers, he didn't clear waivers.

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Speaker 12: He didn't clear waivers.

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Speaker 4: He got he got claimed.

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Speaker 11: You got a young you got a young young guy,

1130
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Speaker 11: got your speed.

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Speaker 10: Got the size needs a little worse.

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Speaker 8: But NIX.

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Speaker 10: Sure, you never know what you might have.

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Speaker 4: But Eldred, I don't think you're gonna worry about that one.

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Speaker 4: I think the other kid who's on I R that

1136
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Speaker 4: was a similar kind of size and skill set. I

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Speaker 4: think he showed the ability to do some covering. Yes,

1138
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Speaker 4: in training camp. Speed didn't really speed never really played speed,

1139
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Speaker 4: never really played cornerback. In college, he was just he

1140
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Speaker 4: was a cornerback by position, but he was basically a

1141
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Speaker 4: special team.

1142
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Speaker 5: He was Matthew Slater in college.

1143
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bolden, I think there could be something

1144
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: there with him. Yeah, I find it, like what I'm

1145
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: interested to see what the Colts are using a mere

1146
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: Speed for, Like what, like why claim him for a

1147
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 4: special team spot? I suppose, But we'll see him in Germany,

1148
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: and I guess we'll see what kind of game day

1149
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: role he had. And it's funny we did lose a

1150
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 4: guy that I would have probably said similar to I

1151
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: think Kenny Moore. Yeah with loss, you know, and he

1152
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: turned he's a player still, but he had a good

1153
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: Like he's had a good career with the Colts.

1154
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Speaker 1: Was it like Jonathan Jones beat him out? Like it

1155
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: was almost like, you know, it was somebody it was.

1156
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Speaker 5: I think that they were both. I feel like they

1157
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 5: were both on the team at the same time. I

1158
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 5: don't know if they were both rookies at the same time,

1159
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: but I feel like they.

1160
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Speaker 4: Over a couple of traffic. Like like I know, a

1161
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: lot of people look at like why he didn't make it?

1162
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: You look at Gruge Hill.

1163
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Hill, what's he got away as a fan for?

1164
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, fine, great, He's.

1165
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 1: Always just been a backup line.

1166
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: He's had a good career, you know, like he has

1167
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: made and I'm sure he would have had that good

1168
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 4: career had he stayed and been a special teamer and

1169
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: done all that stuff. Kenny Moore has been a part

1170
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: of the cult secondary for five years. Impact player, you know,

1171
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: so I do think there's a difference between those guys kinds.

1172
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 5: Of Kenny Moore was a twenty seventeen UDFA, so he

1173
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 5: definitely would have been here with John Judge.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Jones was twenty sixteen.

1175
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so John Jones was probably here already, and then

1176
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: Kenny Moore was you know, bol slot guys.

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Speaker 1: And he just lost the numbers. Let's just grab this

1178
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: one more, Nick down in Charlotte before we take a break,

1179
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Speaker 1: King Nick, Nick, Nick, are you there?

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Speaker 6: Gotcha? There?

1181
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 4: You are?

1182
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 10: Sorry? Sorry, I'm from Atlte in Australia, so it's probably

1183
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Speaker 10: a been a bad connection.

1184
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: That's all right.

1185
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 6: What's up?

1186
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 10: I'm just ringing first on long time, just letting you

1187
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 10: guys know how much I appreciate you guys. And Pull

1188
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 10: my favorite by far. I don't know if he's touched

1189
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 10: up in Evan. What's the game plan going to be

1190
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 10: so this weekend? Offensively A they're going to bring pok

1191
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 10: It back. I don't know if you guys have touched

1192
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 10: on that yet. I just wanted to know.

1193
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into it, thanks Nick.

1194
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, offensive game plan. I find it interesting, like whenever

1195
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 5: you have two guys like Fangio and and O'Brien Vic Fangio,

1196
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 5: the Dolphins defensive coordinator. They've both been doing this for

1197
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 5: so long on their sides of the ball that the

1198
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 5: it's not really like a surprise and who's going.

1199
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: To do what.

1200
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 5: But Fangio and Week two actually did some different things

1201
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: against the Patriots, especially upfront, and O'Brien actually said as

1202
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 5: much in his press conference after on Tuesday. He said,

1203
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 5: you know, they did some things that surprised us in

1204
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: the front mechanics, you know, the defensive line, a lot

1205
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 5: of slanting and run blitzing and things like that that

1206
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 5: they weren't expecting. So that's the chess matches, like, you know,

1207
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 5: they're going to have to feel it out a little bit,

1208
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 5: I think in the first quarter of how exactly the

1209
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 5: Dolphins are gonna declare this game and then and then

1210
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 5: go from there. But the Fangio system, you know, they're

1211
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: split safety defense, and this is what every defense in

1212
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 5: the NFL is starting to play more and more of,

1213
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 5: including the Patriots, who are playing man coverage at like

1214
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 5: the lowest rate they have in like five years. You know,

1215
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 5: everything is split safety zone. Don't give up the explosives,

1216
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 5: you know, fast receivers great quarterbacks, Like, we just don't

1217
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 5: want to give up big plays. And the Dolphins are

1218
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 5: the same way that they're They're gonna keep the top

1219
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 5: on the defense and they're gonna make you check it

1220
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 5: down and go go the long way home and all

1221
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff.

1222
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: And that could be another huge edge. Both cornerbacks did

1223
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: not play against the Eagles for Miami, Xavian Howard and

1224
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey still working his way back. He has started practicing.

1225
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: If both of those guys are back, and that knocks

1226
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: guys like Eli Apple and uh, what's the guy k

1227
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 4: who co who? Yeah, if they become like your your

1228
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: fourth corner instead, like then I think you could maybe do.

1229
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: If you're Vic Fangio, you might feel in Bolden because

1230
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: I do think they have good safeties.

1231
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: But the corner is Javon Holland is fantastic. Yeah, he

1232
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 5: might be the best safety in the league.

1233
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: Uh in uh it is it Kaiser. Deshaun Kaiser has

1234
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: been playing, which knocks out Brandon. Brandon Jones been a

1235
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: guy who had said some good games against the Patriots.

1236
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: He's basically not really even a big part of the

1237
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: secondary anymore. I wonder if he never really came back

1238
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: from the injuries that he's had. But that's a secondary

1239
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 4: that when full full strength, can be a weapon for them,

1240
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: and they haven't really had that.

1241
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 5: They have star power on that side of the ball,

1242
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 5: like you know.

1243
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: And I know Ramsey's not what he once was, but

1244
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 4: he's still pretty good.

1245
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 5: But you know, talk about name brands, you know, guys

1246
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 5: like Bradley Chubb, Christian Wilkins, Jalen Phillips, like those are

1247
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 5: all guys that people know. It's this is not a

1248
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 5: defense of you know, who's that guy? Who's this guy?

1249
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 5: For the most part, so it hasn't really worked yet.

1250
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: You're twenty fourth in DVA. They're they're like down near

1251
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 5: the bottom of the league in scoring. They've given up

1252
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 5: like twenty seven points a game. Their best game was

1253
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 5: against Patriots bye by far defensively, but it's a tough system,

1254
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 5: especially to read out for quarterbacks.

1255
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Paul and Evans Sandwiches are here, so

1256
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. Plenty of good emails though,

1257
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Speaker 13: So we just beat the bills that we might get

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Speaker 13: a little bit of hot streak, So like, get these posters.

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Speaker 13: They're cool limited edition stuff. All right, let's get into them.

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Speaker 13: Question one, how many touchdown passes did Tom Brady throw

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Speaker 13: to a player wearing the number eighty eight?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 13: And there's a bonus in this, so you're gonna get

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Speaker 13: a poster and an unfiltered T shirt for this one bonus?

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 13: Can you name the players that we're wearing a number

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00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 13: eighty eight?

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00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 6: All right? That's the bonus.

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00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 13: Question Question two? How many Super Bowl catches, yards and

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00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 13: touchdowns does Deon Branch have?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 13: And Question three who was the first player to catch

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 13: an NFL pass from Tom Brady.

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Speaker 6: All right, that was a little bit before before my fandom,

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Speaker 6: just a little bit.

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Speaker 13: I was a youngin all right, faith, we had a

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Speaker 13: crazy week seven, was a seven crazy week seven around

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Speaker 13: the NFL. And so this talk is gonna be about

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00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 13: what were the biggest surprises, you know, upsets people that

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00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 13: balled out, Like what what?

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Speaker 6: What kind of surprise you their faith?

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Speaker 12: Well, so I do a weekly podcast called Playmaker's Perspective,

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Speaker 12: Like and subscribe, Yes, Like and subscribe, where I pick

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Speaker 12: a guy to have faith underdog of the week that

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Speaker 12: I think is gonna win. I unfortunately thought that the

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Speaker 12: Chargers had a chance against the Chiefs rookie mistake to

1323
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Speaker 12: honestly root against the Chiefs at home with Taylor Swift

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Speaker 12: in the building.

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Speaker 5: But that was my pick.

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Speaker 12: I was wrong. But there were a lot of other upsets,

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Speaker 12: I mean, skipping all the way to the end of

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Speaker 12: the week. The vikings of the forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, the vikings kind of looked like how we thought

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Speaker 13: they were gonna look all a year.

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Speaker 5: I know, I was like, where's this team?

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Speaker 4: Men?

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Speaker 12: The whole season.

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Speaker 5: I thought that game was crazy.

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Speaker 12: I thought Kirk Cousins did what he historically has not

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Speaker 12: been able to do, which is just win those big

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Speaker 12: primetime games like that.

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Speaker 5: It was definitely a.

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Speaker 12: Situation where you would usually see him kind of fold

1340
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Speaker 12: and I felt like they really just rose to the occasion.

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Speaker 12: And Jordan Addison raised.

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Speaker 13: I said on the Prospect preview, that's the guy I

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Speaker 13: wanted if we didn't get gonzales In.

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Speaker 12: I mean he literally turned an interception like back into

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Speaker 12: a touchdown house.

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Speaker 13: Call one of my fantasy game shout out, Jordan Addison

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Speaker 13: faith I'm gonna go with you know. While the Pats

1348
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Speaker 13: had their own upset, which we could get into later,

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Speaker 13: my game day role has me on the field, so

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Speaker 13: I'm not I'm not watching scores around the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: I run it at halftime, I think you text to

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Speaker 13: be saying, bro, the uh the Lions, what happened? Because

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Speaker 13: Lamar Jackson showed up. It was thirty thirty eight to six,

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Speaker 13: and those are two division leaders, and I mean the

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Speaker 13: Ravens just bullied them.

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Speaker 12: I feel like the Ravens, like all of their parts

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Speaker 12: of their offense just clicked at the right time. And

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Speaker 12: then even Dan Campbell after the game was like, we

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Speaker 12: just couldn't beat ourselves, like we were just tripping on ourselves.

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Speaker 12: We were letting them win. Like I think Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 12: just hit his stride. I mean the first half stats alone,

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Speaker 12: he had three touchdowns, like two hundred and fifty yards.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I think it was just a crazy showing

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Speaker 12: by him. But I think that's who we've always known

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Speaker 12: Lamar Jackson to be. It's just like now things have

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Speaker 12: clicked the Lions kind of.

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Speaker 13: I think, like high school, the Lions were due for

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Speaker 13: a loss. I think I think they.

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Speaker 12: Got humbled a little. Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 13: I was seen AI images on Twitter of what Detroit

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Speaker 13: will look like if they win a Super Bowl looks unbelievable,

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Speaker 13: But you know that's Ai.

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Speaker 6: It's not it's not real.

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Speaker 5: They gotta get there.

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Speaker 6: I want to get back to uh the Pats.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that was wild.

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Speaker 6: That was I thought.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 6: I thought we were gonna blow it out.

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Speaker 13: But then on the field, you know, the music starts going,

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Speaker 13: it's a sunny day, silver pants are out, and I'm like,

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Speaker 13: it's a good.

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Speaker 6: I feel a little good. Like I felt pretty good.

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Speaker 13: And that was That was the first time I've seen

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Speaker 13: Josh Allen look human since I've been working here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean still great fire.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, I mean, oh my god, finally we get

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Speaker 13: your break. That wasn't a weather induced with No.

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Speaker 12: We were definitely talking in the office about like, dang it,

1390
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Speaker 12: it's a nice day, like that means he's gonna be great,

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 12: Like there's no like weather impacting anything. But no. I

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Speaker 12: felt like I always get hype during pregame, like when

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Speaker 12: they run out and everything.

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Speaker 13: The future starts playing, Yeah, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, let's go.

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Speaker 12: And then the game started and like I don't know,

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Speaker 12: when Jabrill caught that interception, I was like, oh, wait

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 12: a second, like it's early, but hold on, this looks good,

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Speaker 12: Like we look okay.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I said, I said on the field.

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Speaker 13: Once the Bills took the lead, I think at the

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Speaker 13: very end, I was like, oh, Mac hasn't thrown his

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 13: pick yet, so because if I hat he proved he

1404
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 13: shut me up, drove down the field.

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Speaker 12: It was like the Bills really like I felt like

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Speaker 12: when they went up, I was like, okay, they were

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Speaker 12: just letting us have our fun, letting us have our moment.

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 12: We went up twenty two to ten. They gave us

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Speaker 12: our like moral victory and now they're just gonna be

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Speaker 12: the Bills and stomp us.

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Speaker 13: But can you also just say maybe the Bills are

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Speaker 13: a little overrated. I mean, they got Josh Allen and

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Speaker 13: then you take away Stefan Diggs. Who else is there?

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Speaker 13: Like Knox is okay, yeah, cook solid running back.

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Speaker 12: But I think honestly, Josh Allen gets a lot he's

1416
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 12: re's overrated. I think like he's a phenomenal quarterback. Don't

1417
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 12: get me wrong, but I think if you look at

1418
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 12: his stats, like his turnovers, like we just like excuse it.

1419
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Speaker 12: Like with the Bills, it's always like, oh yeah, but

1420
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 12: oh well this happened or this circumstance, but it's like, okay,

1421
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 12: well you have to go to win in those circumstances.

1422
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 12: They should have steamrolled over us in theory, but they didn't,

1423
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 12: and I feel like that shows holes on their side.

1424
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Speaker 5: But also like re.

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 12: Like put to life my Patriots fandom, Like when Goseki

1426
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 12: scored that touchdown, it was like this breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was like, oh, I'm all in.

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Speaker 13: Now yeah, and now now now I'm invested, And now

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Speaker 13: they wouldn't one more game I was out and now

1430
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 13: I'm all in and every every loss is going to

1431
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 13: hurt more. I want to get into a couple others.

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Speaker 13: The Bears, ye stopping I mean mister Tyson, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 13: uh Tylerjet Badgett.

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Speaker 6: How you say the D two D two baller? Yeah,

1435
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 6: doing this thing? Was Hoyer playing though, or was it O'Connell.

1436
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Speaker 12: Honestly, I'm not sure I know? Matter it literally, it

1437
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 12: doesn't matter. But I was impressed by the Bears. I

1438
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 12: felt like, I mean, for him to go out there

1439
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 12: again and nobody like you said, to have twenty nine,

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01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 12: one hundred and sixty two yards in a touchdown and

1441
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 12: oh it was Brian Hoyer that was in. He went

1442
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 12: seventy for thirty two for one hundred and twenty nine

1443
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 12: yards and two interceptions.

1444
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Speaker 6: Couldn't do that against us for a quarter?

1445
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 5: Never changed.

1446
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1447
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 13: And then with another another crazy thing before we wrap

1448
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 13: this up, is that all the teams that we were

1449
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 13: kind of tied with fighting for the first pick, they

1450
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 13: all won. The Giants gotta win, yeah, which is crazy

1451
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 13: because they beat they beat the Commanders, and then also

1452
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 13: the Broncos gotta win, which is pretty surprising because the

1453
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 13: Packers they're still sorting out the post.

1454
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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers life.

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Speaker 12: Yes, which I think is going to take a good

1456
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 12: portion of this season, if not all seasons.

1457
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Speaker 13: Yeah, so you think you think they're going to miss

1458
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 13: the playoffs entirely? You think they could sort it out.

1459
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Speaker 12: I don't know. I mean what they're sitting sitting at

1460
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 12: two and four. They could possibly squeeze out a wild

1461
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 12: card spot, but I don't see them making it past

1462
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 12: the wild card around if they do make it.

1463
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Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know. Well, it was a fun week.

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Speaker 12: It was a very fun.

1465
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Speaker 13: It was very fun, good football around, solid matchup of

1466
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Speaker 13: games too.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but we got Week eight coming up.

1468
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 13: I think we're gonna do another Thursday night preview because

1469
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 13: that was always fun. Yeah, guys, send your answers into

1470
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 13: webray do at Patriots dot com and guys, just because

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 13: if the team's not doing too hot, the posters are

1472
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 13: still cool.

1473
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 6: The posters are really great. They're great.

1474
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 13: We want to keep this going too, so check it out.

1475
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 13: Send your trivia in the webre at Patriots dot com

1476
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 13: and let's get back to the show.

1477
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Speaker 14: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1478
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 14: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery.

1479
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,959
Speaker 14: Everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1480
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 14: now it's next for residential delivery.

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Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.

1482
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Speaker 6: History.

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Speaker 4: It's a totally different food. I'm talking about boneless buffalo

1484
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 4: wings as opposed to bone in buffalo wings.

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Speaker 14: Right, But isn't what's in the chicken finger the same

1486
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:58,959
Speaker 14: as the boneless buffalo wings?

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Speaker 5: Necessarily?

1488
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: It does nice to say it does not taste it.

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Speaker 6: You can put anything in the boneless stuff.

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: And I'm not even I'm not even anti because of that.

1491
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: Although he's right, Fred's absolutely right, it's not necessarily the same.

1492
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 4: The bone I think gives it more flavor. I think

1493
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: it's a better.

1494
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 6: You ever have a bone non bonus.

1495
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely get that bone in boner.

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Speaker 2: B That's another great moment from bridge.

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Speaker 1: I was so close.

1501
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 4: Little stumble.

1502
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: All right, we're back on PP and the deuce now.

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: Now Evan went out to practice and uh, we've got

1504
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: some trivia here is to share trivia.

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 4: All right, you should play that great moment more often.

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01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 4: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Time is a flat circle on pu we we somehow

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01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: always end up talking about boneless and bone in Buffalo

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01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: wings once a years.

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Speaker 4: To produce a boy learn how to put your microphone

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Speaker 4: on unmute.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to talk right now and it's not working.

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: All right, Matt, we'll get you later. Let's let's get

1514
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: these trivia answers though. All right, Paul, here's the first one.

1515
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 4: He's going to come in and just say it.

1516
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: Oh God, look out here he comes. He's gotta he

1517
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: gotta plug something in first. How many touchdown passes did

1518
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady throw to a player wearing the number eighty eight?

1519
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: Could you name a few of them? Perhaps I just

1520
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: interviewed one of Christian give you some clues ready, uh,

1521
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: children's book, children's book?

1522
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 4: Who are we doing that? Password?

1523
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: Children?

1524
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: Children's book?

1525
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: A little bit of a wild card Super Bowl winner

1526
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: came through when Gronk was out.

1527
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: I'm tell us Bennett, there you go.

1528
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: Tall drink of water from Buffalo never really caught on.

1529
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 4: Scott Chandler Special.

1530
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: Teams guy had a big touchdown against Miami one year

1531
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: ten Dwight a little later, maybe a two thousand and

1532
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 1: nine or so, mostly special teams big guy though.

1533
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 4: Oh oh oh oh oh yeah. He had a little

1534
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 4: run there out of nowhere, right down the sideline. Why

1535
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 4: can't I think it? No, he had a few, like

1536
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 4: really productive games out of nowhere, we were catching deep balls.

1537
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 4: Why can't I not think of his name? They want

1538
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,440
Speaker 4: to give you his first name, No, but I totally remember.

1539
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 4: Give me the initial essay, say sam Akin sam Aikin. Now,

1540
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: I totally remember it, totally, totally remember.

1541
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: Forgotten Brady from two thousand and seven.

1542
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: Oh, Kyle Brady.

1543
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: Kate Otten. I don't know any clues for Kate Atten,

1544
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: Terry one, and Matthew Mulligan. So that's eight k total.

1545
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: Who was Kate Aughton?

1546
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 4: Did you play for the Bucks?

1547
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 6: Alright?

1548
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: I don't remember me in here. So the Terry Glenn

1549
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: and Matthew Terry Glenn I would have gotten, I would

1550
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: not have gotten Ezekiel and Charleston, South Carolina. And you

1551
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: are the proud winner of not only a PU shirt

1552
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: but also a one of the Game Day art art

1553
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: pieces from last weekend. So congratulations there all right, here

1554
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: we go number number two? How many Super Bowl catches

1555
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,879
Speaker 1: yards and td tds does Dion Branch have.

1556
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 6: That's a lot?

1557
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: How many super Bowl catches catches yards and tds? Tuddies

1558
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: a bunch.

1559
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 4: In Super Bowl? And twenty three catches so close twenty

1560
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 4: four twenty four.

1561
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: That's good yardish yard ash, no.

1562
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 4: Idea take a guess.

1563
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: Two and twenty two, three, twenty one and one. He

1564
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: was productive one touchdown And Adam Louisiana, you are the

1565
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: proud winner of a PU T shirt as well as

1566
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: an art p from last week's game. Finally, and we've

1567
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: already know we haven't mentioned this name yet, who was

1568
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: the first player to catch an NFL pass from mister

1569
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. There it is Stevie and Austin, Texas. You

1570
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: won that one. Congratulations to all the winners, and thank

1571
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: you to Matisse and Faith for the half. The halftime

1572
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: show that's really caught on like fire. I've been hearing,

1573
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: I hear, I hear good. I have never heard the show, however,

1574
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 1: because we're eating usually at that point.

1575
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 4: But I keep being threatened that I have to take

1576
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 4: part in one of these shows, and then no one

1577
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 4: ever asked me no, you know, it's usually fly by

1578
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: the seat of your pants, and well, teach usually said

1579
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 4: you know, I need you, I need you, And I said, yeah,

1580
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 4: just let me know. He never lets me know.

1581
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: Send a calendar, invite Matisse, don't do that. Those a

1582
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: few emails here, they've been coming in all day. We

1583
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: try to get to as many as possible here, But

1584
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: let's start with Melvin. Do my best Melvin impression. Stop y'all?

1585
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: That pretty good?

1586
01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 4: Well, don's pretty good, Melvin.

1587
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: Do you guys not like being the rebound team coming

1588
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: off Miami's past game or do you feel more confident

1589
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: that we can put exploit those same weaknesses and beat them.

1590
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we can capitalize off the mistakes anyway,

1591
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter. I want to be a negative

1592
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: today because it's fun. Smiley face, that's Melvin.

1593
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 6: Uh.

1594
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, Paul, this is your thing. You're always you,

1595
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: always you always ta you always zig when I think

1596
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna zag on the like, what's your ideal team

1597
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: to play like coming off a big, overachieving win.

1598
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the Uh, this is not a

1599
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 4: great spot because I think it was a great It's

1600
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 4: a great spot in the schedule for Miami being in

1601
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 4: between two you know, high profile games with the Eagles

1602
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 4: on a Sunday night and then the Germany game with

1603
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: the Chiefs next week. But the fact that they played

1604
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: a subpar game I think is not good, you know,

1605
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 4: for the underdog.

1606
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: Especially at home. Like I just I think playing Miami.

1607
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 4: Right, because now you're looking at it and you're saying, well,

1608
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 4: if we don't if we don't come to play, they

1609
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 4: just beat Buffalo and we'd be in danger of losing

1610
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 4: three in a row. Can't do that, you know, so

1611
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 4: you're gonna have their full attention. I don't always I

1612
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 4: think that's conventional wisdom. Yeah, I don't always fall into that.

1613
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: I think Dallas was one earlier in the year that

1614
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: I didn't necessarily think because they lost to Arizona was

1615
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 4: a good thing for the Patriots or a bad thing

1616
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 4: for the Patriots. Now I think that was more about

1617
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots than Dallas. To be honest with you, I

1618
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 4: think the Patriots played a really bad game. That's why

1619
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 4: they got blown out.

1620
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: I just think the start is so important again this week.

1621
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: I know it was my key last week, although the

1622
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: key the key is still hanging up there from the

1623
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: pregame show, which you guys can't see, but Paul put

1624
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: it up there to taunt us, I feel like, just

1625
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: to let us know that he won it and we

1626
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: did not. But need a good start this weekend. Another

1627
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: one here, and I am gonna read this one because

1628
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: Ryan says, hello Mike and the Gang. I put Mike

1629
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: above everyone else because he's my favorite. So there you go, Paul.

1630
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: Some people actually like me too. A great game. We

1631
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: talk a lot about what Mac did, both good and bad,

1632
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: whether it be his third down past to Henry to

1633
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: keep the final drive alive or him running into the

1634
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: backs of his old line. But one thing I think

1635
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: worth mentioning is something Mac didn't do that has become

1636
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: a pattern for him this season. He did not throw

1637
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: a week pass across the field into the arms of

1638
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: the defense.

1639
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 4: He wanted to, though he tried a couple of times.

1640
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: He's say, granted, he did throw a couple. He did

1641
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: throw a couple of knuckleballs. But we've poop pooed on

1642
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: macall season for his irresponsible decision making under pressure, for

1643
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: better or worse. Even if he got sack for loss,

1644
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: he didn't throw the ball away for that.

1645
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 4: Was his best game, you know, without question. It was

1646
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 4: his best game of the year.

1647
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: My fans, they have great analysis. This is Jared and

1648
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 1: Vermont Dolphins have been kicking our rears for way too long.

1649
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: I give Mike McDaniel a lot of credit. He can

1650
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: run an offense better than anybody, but he is a

1651
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: dork and they are front running team. I'd like to

1652
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: see us get a lead on them early and be

1653
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: more physical team jam r two backs down their shoots

1654
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: and tee off on their shoddy offensive line. Paul, how

1655
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: do you feel about the running game here?

1656
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 15: Is?

1657
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean, do they have any chance to get Elliott

1658
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: and Stevenson going to like a level where it's not

1659
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: just picking up what's there, but like pushing the envelope,

1660
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: pushing the issue, getting the yards that aren't there.

1661
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 4: And you could make an argument that, you know, they

1662
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 4: got off to a decent start running the ball the

1663
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 4: other day and then they didn't sustain it, and maybe

1664
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 4: that's why they had a hard time, you know, being

1665
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 4: consistent on offense. You know, they they got the early touchdown,

1666
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 4: but then it was all the way to the fourth

1667
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 4: quarter before they scored again a touchdown again. So yeah,

1668
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 4: I think that they need to be better running the ball.

1669
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 4: Both guys you can't have. You can't have guys, you know,

1670
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 4: averaging three yards to carry or less. They need to

1671
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 4: be more consistent. I think, you know, it was like

1672
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 4: that one good I think you look at I've heard

1673
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 4: a lot of people talk about the first eight runs

1674
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: or like forty one yards like, but no one says like, well,

1675
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 4: you know, one of them was fourteen, you know, like

1676
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 4: they had you know, a good run early and then

1677
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 4: they had a bunch of you know, shorter runs. Now

1678
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 4: what I liked from the running game and which I

1679
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 4: you know, I think they were able to get short

1680
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: yardage when they did it. They were able to convert

1681
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 4: twice in the on the goal line for touchdowns. So

1682
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 4: that's the stuff that I think they need to continue

1683
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 4: to do. I don't expect them to line up and

1684
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: run their way to two hundred and twenty yards against

1685
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 4: Miami unless it turns into a blowout and they end

1686
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: up running the ball forty five times, you know, and

1687
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 4: they're able to play with the lead and run the

1688
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 4: clock out in the second half.

1689
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, another one from Ron and Conway. Good afternoon, everyone.

1690
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: It's weird to see Deuce in Fred's seat, his empty

1691
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: seat makes me nervous, almost like when Belichick wears the

1692
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: red hoodie. So after the miracle Buffalo win and how

1693
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: badly they toasted Miami, is it possible that the coaches

1694
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: have focused more heavily on the game tape from the

1695
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: Buffalo game and maybe the Eagles game from the other night.

1696
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: Just one last question for was Evan's on here? So

1697
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna skip that one.

1698
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1699
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they take everything in. I don't

1700
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: think that there's really a you know, specific focus on games.

1701
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you got it. You have to

1702
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: see how everything kind of went and how everything unfolded,

1703
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: like your point of game contacts and all those things.

1704
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I mean I looked at that, uh

1705
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: you know at the Chargers game where it's you know,

1706
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: you want to you get like something in your head

1707
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: of like, oh well, whenever they get a lead there

1708
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: or whenever they fall behind they struggled. No, they don't.

1709
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: They you know, they've been behind. They were behind Carolina

1710
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: and they came back and you know, had no problem.

1711
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: They went toe to toe with San Diego, back and

1712
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: forth and back and forth. They won a lot of

1713
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: those games. So it's it's hard. I think you have

1714
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: to take everything in and then figure out just how

1715
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: to get my team to play best, not you know,

1716
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: let's try to recreate what another team did with our guys.

1717
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: This seems really hard to do.

1718
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with you. I think that the

1719
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 4: that's why, like it's so hard to be overly relying

1720
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 4: on all the numbers. And I mean that's why I

1721
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 4: sort of push back. He I just think they're a

1722
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 4: small sample. Like listen, if they can get the lead

1723
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 4: every game. I love their chances, you know, from playing

1724
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 4: from the front and that way. You can do offense

1725
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: any way you want to do it. You can run,

1726
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 4: you can throw, you can do what they did on Sunday.

1727
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 4: And I want to say it was like two thirds

1728
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 4: one third passing on first down because you're doing it

1729
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 4: when you want to instead of when you have to.

1730
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't know what you're doing either. They

1731
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, you have a less element of a predictability.

1732
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: A couple of questions here in the mailbox about Taekwon, Thornton,

1733
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: Jack and Ann Arbor. You know, once to conclude, he's

1734
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: how long do we have to wait before we conclude

1735
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: he's a bust. You know, we heard Evan say earlier

1736
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: he he thinks he's a little bit on the outs.

1737
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: Maybe not, you know, running the right routes that kind

1738
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: of stuff. Maybe not on the same page. We've seen

1739
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: some of it.

1740
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 4: It looked like Mac was upset with him. That's why

1741
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: I said it. I don't I don't watch the All

1742
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 4: twenty two. I thought Mac frustration. Yeah, Mac looked like

1743
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 4: like one of the Yeah, I looked like he was

1744
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 4: looking at him on one of those early plays. And

1745
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 4: he only played three plays. So I'm just using sort

1746
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 4: of circumstantial evidence.

1747
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've had little glimpses of him. You know,

1748
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: they like catches, like individual catches, I would.

1749
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 4: Not really in games.

1750
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: Not in games, I mean in practices.

1751
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 4: I've seen it a little bit in practice here and there.

1752
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: But you know, he had that touch down. I think

1753
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: what last year, most of the back of the end yea.

1754
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 4: Most of the players that I've seen him make in

1755
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,799
Speaker 4: games have been sort of routine.

1756
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: We haven't seen as like just the speed though, you know,

1757
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: like that's that's I think it was probably maybe what

1758
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: the biggest indictment is because you look at him and

1759
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: you know he's not a big guy. You know, he's

1760
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: probably going to struggle when there's contact downfield, and that

1761
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: was certainly the case this summer. Like that was, you know,

1762
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: every time there's like a jump ball, he's going to

1763
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: go flying. But I've just never had that moment other

1764
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: than like warm up drills where they've run across the

1765
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: film of that drill they did with their the cones

1766
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: and they had to just sprint, you know, to the fifty.

1767
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a single game where it was like,

1768
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: who his speed is dangerous, Like it's it's not even

1769
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: put him on the field and let him just stretch

1770
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: the field kind of sea.

1771
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 4: And the other thing is like when they have sent

1772
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 4: him deep last year mostly obviously, I think there was

1773
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 4: only once this year. I think one of the Raiders

1774
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 4: play that was out of bounds. They always seem to

1775
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: send him down the sidelines. And I thought that they

1776
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 4: really got away from the outside the numbers throws the

1777
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 4: other day against Buffalo, and I think that worked their advantage.

1778
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 4: I think they had mostly shorter stuff over the middle,

1779
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 4: and I don't necessarily think that caters to Taekwon Thoughton style.

1780
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: For snaps is crazy, though I mean it does scream

1781
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: like three three, what do you know? And especially where

1782
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it would appear, and this is what we

1783
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: talked about Rager. I mean, it would appear that if

1784
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna play somebody on the outside right now, they're

1785
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: more focused on Jalen Rager than they are, you know,

1786
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: putting Taekwon out there for a handful of snaps and

1787
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 1: trying to see if he can do anything out there,

1788
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: or at least I when we saw Mac take the

1789
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: shot at him a couple of weeks ago, not even close.

1790
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the trying it seems like a little bit,

1791
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: but as soon as he messes up, it seems like

1792
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 1: he's yeah.

1793
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 4: And you know, to answer the big picture question that

1794
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 4: he said, you know, at what point do you know

1795
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 4: he has been banged up? I'd like to see him

1796
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: just sort of enter the season, you know, ready to

1797
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 4: go and see if there's anything there. Now, if you're

1798
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 4: asking me what I think, I don't. I don't have

1799
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 4: a lot of faith.

1800
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: I don't either.

1801
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot of faith because I haven't

1802
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 4: really seen any kind of consistent production. But I do

1803
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 4: think there's some extent you ating, you know, circumstances starting

1804
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: both seasons on IR and getting a slow start, and

1805
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,799
Speaker 4: it's it's hard, I think when you're not an established player,

1806
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: Like it's one thing if you have you know, like

1807
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson's on IR to start the year and then

1808
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 4: he you know, checks in week five and he's Justin Jefferson.

1809
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 4: You know, he's got an established role. So now he's

1810
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 4: missing four games and he doesn't really have a role

1811
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 4: when he's out there, so he's getting three snaps, you

1812
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Yeah, And I'm not trying to

1813
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 4: give him excuses. I'm just saying it's hard to.

1814
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: Get, hard to get, yeah, and I mean, and he's

1815
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: had that throughout, but it's just it's just such an

1816
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: interesting thing with having watched Harry who you know, granted,

1817
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: Harry walking up the stairs out the practice always look

1818
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: like this guy looks like an Adonis. I mean, this

1819
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: is you know, this is what you want a big

1820
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: NFL receiver to look like. And Thornton's just never impressive

1821
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: physically and you're willing to forgive him man if he's fast,

1822
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 1: but I just think thecality is hard for him. And

1823
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: you've seen it two years in a row where he's

1824
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: starting on IR, you know, because he's having contact. I mean,

1825
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: I guess the injury in Buffalo, in Green Bay, excuse me,

1826
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: wasn't contact, It was laying out. But again it's just

1827
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: upper body bone injuries that you know he can't seem

1828
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: to avoid at this point. Another question here from Brandon

1829
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: writing in I think this is another interesting player. We

1830
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about him a lot. Hey, guys, I

1831
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on Dougger. I lived fifteen

1832
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: minutes away from where he played in college. Anyways, he

1833
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite players coming in this season.

1834
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: I had really high hopes from him. Why do you

1835
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: think he's been bad lately? Is he being asked to

1836
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: do something other than what he has done in the

1837
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: past couple of years. Or do you think having Devin

1838
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: in the back last year helped Doug ar ball hawk

1839
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: and as Pepper took Dougger's role this year. I mean,

1840
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: I think mccordy has something to do with it for sure,

1841
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: the freedom it allowed Dugger.

1842
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that. Like I don't think he's

1843
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 4: been I don't think he played it great. I don't

1844
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 4: think he played a great game on Sunday. I think

1845
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 4: you had a couple of high profile missus for some reason,

1846
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 4: when other guys miss tackles, they're not necessarily credited for

1847
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 4: some reason. I don't know. I don't think he's been bad.

1848
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 4: I just don't think he's made as many plays. And

1849
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Mike. I think it's probably due

1850
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 4: to mccordy, not because mccady set him up to make plays,

1851
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 4: but he's feeling that mccordy role more often.

1852
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think Evan Evan said the I mean

1853
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: they're playing more deep. I mean he's playing more deep.

1854
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: He's not going to make as many plays back there.

1855
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: He's never been the rangiest kind of guy in space anyway,

1856
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: that's not as good.

1857
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 4: They have very little depth that they don't They haven't

1858
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 4: played a lot of just like we're just gonna line

1859
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 4: up and man up and and I know that they've

1860
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 4: played man coverage, but I'm talking about like we're going

1861
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 4: to take Christian Gonzalez and just he's going to follow

1862
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 4: the other team's number one receiver. I don't think they've

1863
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 4: done that a whole lot, even when Gonzalez was healthy.

1864
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 4: So I do think that part of the trickle down

1865
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 4: for that is you're bracketing a lot of guys, and

1866
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 4: I think that's where he's been. Now, that doesn't mean

1867
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 4: he's played great, because I don't think he's been as

1868
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 4: good as he has in the past.

1869
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: No's he just hasn't. I mean he's usually could count

1870
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: him for some impact plays and that's think what what's

1871
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: been missing? But uh, all right, let's jump over to

1872
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: the funds here real quick.

1873
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 6: Spee.

1874
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: Uh we hear you've been cheating on us? What's going on, buddy?

1875
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 15: No, I just wasn't used to a win.

1876
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: And I didn't know who you're calling.

1877
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: You couldn't wait till you couldn't wait till tuesday.

1878
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 10: I had to call somebody.

1879
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 15: I got a questions. I was just kind of a

1880
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 15: little thrown for a loop there, so I had to

1881
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,839
Speaker 15: give my slot flop your seconds to say, Andy and fifty.

1882
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 15: Uh But anyway, this is this is this is a.

1883
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: New a here you guys the baby we're rolling.

1884
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 15: It's right, it's right, this is a good I had.

1885
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 15: I had a nonsense question because of builds, new contracts

1886
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 15: of like it's a moot point. But I'm still kind

1887
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 15: of curious in your thoughts on it, Like if you

1888
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 15: had to choose next year having either Bill come back

1889
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 15: in his you know, current capacity as coach m GM

1890
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 15: or having Matt as your starting quarterback. You have to

1891
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 15: choose one or the other. Which one would it have been?

1892
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 4: Bill?

1893
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1894
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: I think Bill.

1895
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 15: The The issue with that is that then you you

1896
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 15: are accepting that he's going to be continuing to structure

1897
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 15: your team with whatever his broad has been.

1898
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Don't you think?

1899
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not It's not a great option. No, I agree,

1900
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 4: but Bill's at least done it. Yeah, I feel better

1901
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 4: about Bill Belichick's ability than I do. Mac Jones, What

1902
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 4: do you think?

1903
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 15: What do you think Evan would have said to that?

1904
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 15: Don't you think Evan? I think my guess was that

1905
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 15: was going to say.

1906
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 4: I think would say, Man would get me a young Yeah,

1907
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 4: you know, you know, yeah, I think I think that

1908
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 4: is what Evan would say.

1909
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: We'll find out in the second here when he comes back.

1910
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 4: But when he returns from practice, don't sing it.

1911
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I have to you know. Sure, Yeah,

1912
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't want you to keep anything in the in

1913
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: the barrel there.

1914
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 4: I don't want you to feel unfulfilled in any way

1915
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 4: in this relationship.

1916
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 16: I'm going to be I'm going to Paris and uh

1917
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 16: and so be there starting this month. So there's anybody

1918
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 16: in Paris to go and get wine.

1919
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 15: Or beer, do whatever you do there.

1920
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 10: I'll be in the.

1921
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Second alright, man, save safe travels and avoid those other shows.

1922
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, all.

1923
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 4: Right, avoid those other shows.

1924
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Right on Q Evan's back.

1925
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 16: Then, as we turned?

1926
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 4: Has turned? Has we turned?

1927
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: All right? Evan, welcome back from practice. What what's going

1928
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: on out there on the practice field?

1929
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 5: So I'm really upset that boss Man isn't here today.

1930
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: Don't I'll do.

1931
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,480
Speaker 4: It's a lot to talk about in regard to the mood.

1932
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 6: I can.

1933
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 5: I'm really upset he's not here because this was a

1934
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 5: unique practice schedule for the media. Okay, I in my

1935
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 5: time covering the team, I can't recall them ever letting

1936
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 5: us go into practice, leave practice, and then come back

1937
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 5: to practice.

1938
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: Because they had some secret stuff they had to do.

1939
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 5: They had a secret thing they were doing, and that

1940
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 5: was planned, planned, because sometimes they kick us out before

1941
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 5: they're supposed to and then they bring this.

1942
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 4: But this sounds like a plan. This is different.

1943
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 5: It was planned and uh. The the grousing, the grousing

1944
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 5: about about the plan was that they were probably walking

1945
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 5: through with the starting offensive line and they did not

1946
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 5: want us reporting on who was where. So that would

1947
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 5: be my guess, especially based off of what we've seen

1948
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 5: in the past of the way things go, you know,

1949
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 5: the structure of things from the most part, But on

1950
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 5: an attendance basis, Keon White was the only player absent

1951
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 5: from practice or so he remains in concussion protocol. So

1952
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 5: every you know, everybody that became banged up in the game,

1953
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 5: Trent Brown out there, you know, those all those guys

1954
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 5: out there, and Juju still out there even though he

1955
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 5: wasn't active in the game on Sunday, and uh yeah,

1956
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 5: I just uh just keyon, but a little bit of

1957
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 5: different change up.

1958
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 4: What would you say. The mood was.

1959
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 5: Well, it was pretty hot out there, so that that's

1960
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,879
Speaker 5: good dope because they're going to be hot on Sunday,

1961
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 5: so it's good preparation. And uh, like I said, it

1962
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 5: was a little odd the way that we were kicked

1963
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 5: out and then brought back in for maybe like two

1964
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 5: minutes like it whether you know that the third period.

1965
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Or whatever, you want to walk through like they did,

1966
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: like the stupid little just warm yes, and then they

1967
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: did a walk.

1968
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 5: They did right, they did stretching. No, we did stretching first.

1969
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 5: Then I'm assuming they did a walk through and then

1970
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 5: they brought us back for positional drills. So when they

1971
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 5: broke up from the walkthrough is when we got to

1972
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 5: come back in. Yeah, and watch a little bit longer.

1973
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: That makes sense, unless they have Malie cunning him back.

1974
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 5: Well, you have a locker later today, we'll find out.

1975
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: We'll find out, we'll report mysteries.

1976
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 4: Real hook.

1977
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: We had a we had a call asking to choose

1978
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: spe between If you had to just pick one Bill

1979
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: or Mack for next year, wh would you take.

1980
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 4: Oh, that's the proper answer.

1981
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 5: I probably lean towards Bill simply because the resume is there, right, Like,

1982
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 5: you know, you have to kind of lean on the

1983
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 5: fact that Bill has accomplished fifty times more in the

1984
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 5: NFL at his job than mac Jones has ever accomplished

1985
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 5: in his But that's a tough one, especially if mac

1986
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 5: Jones keeps playing like he did on Sunday and you

1987
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 5: look at it and you're like, well, it's kind of

1988
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 5: the architecture of the offense and not necessarily the guy

1989
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 5: driving the car, and and that's your big takeaway. Then

1990
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 5: you kind of look at Bill a GM as more

1991
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 5: of the problem in that equation. But yeah, I think

1992
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 5: I gotta go with Bill for the resume.

1993
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 4: I think Mike and I both sort of assigned you

1994
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 4: that you would pick mac acknowledge because you know your

1995
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 4: your Bill animosity.

1996
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 5: That's true. That's true.

1997
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Bill animosity, we've got an email from

1998
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 1: our friend Deep here, who always brings it with the

1999
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: emails and he always sparks some good discussions. So Deep,

2000
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: thank you for email. Big Kahunas that's our name. I

2001
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: guess since the beginning of the season, with every game

2002
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: where the team is offensive woes, the one through line

2003
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I've heard from this form is how it's Belchick's fault.

2004
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: He did not construct the right roster, he has not

2005
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: supported Mack, he intentionally short changed the offensive line. The

2006
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 1: game has passed him by, and he just is in

2007
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: a good offensive line now with a somewhat decent offensive showing.

2008
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: As Evan said on Tuesday, Billy Oh should take a

2009
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: bout with the fifty yard line. It has to be

2010
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: the easiest to play or coordinate, or play in or

2011
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: coordinate the offense for the New England Patriots in twenty

2012
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: twenty three. Heads you win, tails, Belichick loses. Want to

2013
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: respectively remind you that you're what you are doing now,

2014
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: that you are doing now what the media did in

2015
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty, like driving the best NFL

2016
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: player of all time out of town. Now you can't

2017
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: wait to put the top three one of the top

2018
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: three best coaches of all time out to pasture. Be

2019
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: careful of this wish, as it may just come true

2020
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: and also much the Deuce's chagrin, I maintained my notion

2021
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: from last month's email that you graciously read before the

2022
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: Dallas and now Lence games. Mac Jones is a below

2023
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: average quarterback and the main cause of the past issues.

2024
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Time will tell who is right. By the way, it

2025
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: would be a dream to watch all twenty two with Evan,

2026
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: as he promised last month.

2027
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 5: Based off the emails, it sounds like he hates us.

2028
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 5: So I'm a little surprised with the Bill O'Brien thing.

2029
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 5: I guess maybe I think I'm understanding him correctly. But

2030
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 5: our issues, or my issues, shouldn't be for you, guys.

2031
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 5: My issues with Bill is about his personnel decisions. So

2032
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 5: giving Bill O'Brien credit for turning water into wine. Is

2033
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 5: me telling you that Bill O'Brien did his job well

2034
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 5: and made this s sandwich into like some of the

2035
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 5: jersey Mike's number seven, right.

2036
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 4: Like that's what makes perfect sense.

2037
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 5: Right, So I don't understand like how that's like, you

2038
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 5: know it kind of he's the way he phrased it

2039
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 5: made it sound like we were contradicting ourselves. But really,

2040
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 5: what I'm telling you is that Bill O'Brien constructed that

2041
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 5: like he like, I really feel like he created an

2042
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 5: offensive game plan that they could execute and that they

2043
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 5: could score twenty nine points with and that was all

2044
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 5: him and the offensive personnel was kind of just along

2045
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 5: for the ride for a lot of it.

2046
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 4: Now, what I would say is if that offense that

2047
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 4: they had on Sunday improves as the year goes on

2048
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 4: and gets better and better, and that's you know, that

2049
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 4: those miserable games of the early part of the season

2050
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,799
Speaker 4: become a distant memory, then I would say Bill Belichick

2051
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 4: deserves more credit than we've given him for giving the pieces,

2052
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 4: you know, better pieces than we gave him credit for.

2053
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 4: Because yes, I agree with everything Evan just said. I

2054
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 4: think they all limited offensively and Bill O'Brien it took

2055
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:52,560
Speaker 4: him seven, you know, seven weeks to find some options

2056
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 4: that he could figure out how to you know, best

2057
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 4: move the ball. That is not easy. So I think

2058
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien does deserve credit over Bill Belichick on Sunday.

2059
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 4: But if it becomes that's the norm, then we look

2060
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 4: at it and say, oh, maybe Belichick's I knew, I

2061
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 4: knew these pieces could work, and I, you know, deep

2062
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 4: has the opinion of the quarterback that I probably share.

2063
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily blame either one of them. As much

2064
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 4: as I do. I don't think the quarterback is good enough.

2065
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 4: Now again, Sunday, he was more than good enough. So

2066
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 4: if that becomes the norm, then I'd be willing to

2067
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 4: give mac Jones more credit too.

2068
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 5: But even to that point, if you're saying that Mac

2069
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 5: Jones is not very good and they scored twenty nine

2070
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 5: points against the Bills and won the game in the

2071
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 5: last second, then again it's Bill O'Brien.

2072
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 4: That's why Bill O'Brien gets the credit, right, Yes, But

2073
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 4: if this is what they become on a regular basis,

2074
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 4: then I'm like, oh, he's better. O'Brien's doing a great

2075
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 4: job with what Belichick gave him, and mac Jones is

2076
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 4: a better quarterback than I get. It's to me, it's

2077
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, you gotta fall Yeah, you gotta fall over

2078
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 4: each other to see who gets the credit. Everybody gets,

2079
01:32:58,840 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 4: you get the credit.

2080
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 5: I won there twelve and five.

2081
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 4: Twelve and five is in place, And Fred told me

2082
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 4: right after the Buffalo game, twelve and five is in play.

2083
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: He knew a little fun one here from Ryan. Hey, guys,

2084
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: So besides Tom Brady, who is the Patriots player that

2085
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:17,440
Speaker 1: left in free agency and broke your heart.

2086
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 4: Like a young heart or like Curtis Martin would be

2087
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 4: the only one that I could have. But like I

2088
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 4: think Evan answered the question, like anybody that left here

2089
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 4: while I've been working here wouldn't have broke you know

2090
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like I like all the players. There's

2091
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 4: this very small group of players over the twenty plus

2092
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 4: years that I haven't liked. So almost almost all of

2093
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 4: them across the board I liked. So I never like

2094
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 4: to see anybody leave. I remember having a great talk

2095
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 4: with Daniel Graham after his last game, thinking he's probably

2096
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 4: not going to be back. You know, I really liked him,

2097
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: But does it break my heart? No, you know, and

2098
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 4: Brady didn't break my heart, you know, truth like it

2099
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 4: Just how do.

2100
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: You feel about Drew? I mean that felt inevitable probably

2101
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:58,959
Speaker 1: at that point.

2102
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 4: Episode no brain more we need to happen.

2103
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Were you surprised he went to Buffalo? No, I'm glad.

2104
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 4: I think that Bill Belichick is smart and and you

2105
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 4: get the best deal that you can get and that

2106
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 4: was the first round pick.

2107
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I uh, I would say young young Evan

2108
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 5: Adam van Terry going to the Colts was was tough.

2109
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 5: That was tough because I wasn't like quite old enough

2110
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 5: yet to really understand like the the reasoning, Like it

2111
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 5: made no sense to me, you know, like why the

2112
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 5: greatest kicker of all time and you're just letting him

2113
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 5: walk out the door, and it just that part of

2114
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 5: it didn't make any sense. And if I remember correctly,

2115
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 5: it was him and Johnny Damon left like very similar

2116
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 5: time frames. So that was that was a tough tough

2117
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 5: couple of.

2118
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: Right, because didn' Damon go to the Yankees? Yeah, Adam

2119
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 1: went to the to the Colts.

2120
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a tough kind of two step there. Yeah.

2121
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: Sure, any Bruins, any Bruins that left.

2122
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 5: Uh, not that I can think of off the top

2123
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,879
Speaker 5: of my head. Like Joe Thorton, his time was was done.

2124
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think that that one.

2125
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 4: I was bummed on Thwarton, But again as an adult,

2126
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 4: it's different.

2127
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like your favorite player leaving Kuai from Hawaii writes

2128
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: in a Little Bit about Mac, Mack had his best

2129
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: career win on Sunday. Before Sunday, I was convinced Mack

2130
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: could not play quarterback at the pro level and that

2131
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: he would be at best a Hoyer level backup. Now

2132
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. From here. I think there are

2133
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: three ways the rest of mac season could go. He

2134
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: regresses completely. We look back at the Bills game as

2135
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: a minor blip, and we're certain at the end of

2136
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: the season that he's not the future. Two, he continues

2137
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: playing at the level we saw Sunday. He keeps playing

2138
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: with confidence. It is no longer stymied by the thirty

2139
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 1: point barrier. We're certain at the end of the season

2140
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: that he is the future. Third, he's become. He has

2141
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: some good games and some bad games. He's able to

2142
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: play from ahead and beat up on bad teams, with

2143
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: struggles to come back from a deficit. It doesn't show

2144
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: the ability to put the team on his back. His

2145
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: future remains uncertain, obviously, I think three is most likely.

2146
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: So questions, do you all agree that three is most likely?

2147
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: And how many more games like Sunday would you need

2148
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 1: to see to feel confident that.

2149
01:35:58,760 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 6: We got a guy.

2150
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 4: I think three is the most likely.

2151
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, three more game like more wins?

2152
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, three, number three. Number three is in

2153
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: when he's going to kind of continue to be up

2154
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 1: and down.

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01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Like what what mac is like, was Sunday We're gonna

2156
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 4: look back at Sunday as a blip and he's he's

2157
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 4: more of you just sort of or was Sunday the

2158
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 4: launching point? He's going to be great and you know,

2159
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 4: or three probably a little up and down.

2160
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 5: And so I would say that they don't have whether

2161
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 5: he's capable of it or not. I don't think as

2162
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 5: an offense they have the ability to be great every

2163
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 5: single week, like it just the whole thing, I don't think.

2164
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 5: But I would like to think that at the very least,

2165
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 5: he won't be losing you games like he did against

2166
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 5: Dallas New Orleans where he's turned the ball over like

2167
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 5: crazy and things like that. So if you tell me

2168
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 5: over the course of the next was it nine games

2169
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 5: that they have left, ten games that they have left.

2170
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 5: If he's like just a game manager in seven of them,

2171
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 5: and maybe he's like better than that in a couple,

2172
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 5: then I still think that that could be good enough.

2173
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 5: But you know it just as a matter of how

2174
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 5: it looks, you know, from an optic standpoint.

2175
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: Let's get it. Grab another one here, Bill. It's always

2176
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: aggressive when somebody just like forwards you an email they

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01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: already sent because like you missed it or you didn't

2178
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:24,839
Speaker 1: read it, and that's oh, I'm sorry, strenuously objets.

2179
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 6: I get it.

2180
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: But Bill and Vista California says, if the team beats Miami,

2181
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: we're three and five, two and one in the division,

2182
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: would you say the chances of us being buyers are

2183
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: more likely? Do you think there's any chance that there's.

2184
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 4: Anything happension they beat Miami.

2185
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Miami, Buffalo, and the Jets, they beat all three.

2186
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,680
Speaker 4: I'm not overfully worried about the division record because I

2187
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 4: don't really think they're going to be in the race

2188
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 4: for the division. But could help you beat out one

2189
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 4: of the division teams for a wild card? Yeah, yeah,

2190
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 4: if you can get within three games.

2191
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 5: He's starting to believe. He's starting to believe a little bit.

2192
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Getting them around. You're getting them around.

2193
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 5: I can I just a quick soapbox moment about the

2194
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 5: trade deadline, please the floor. This This isn't baseball like

2195
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 5: like the buyers and sellers thing like in the NFL. Yes,

2196
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 5: they are starting to trade more in the NFL. That's

2197
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 5: one hundred percent effect. There's more trades going on now

2198
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 5: than there were ten years ago in the NFL. We

2199
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 5: are still not at the point yet, I don't think,

2200
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 5: and we'll see maybe on Halloween there's fifteen trades and

2201
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 5: it's craziness, but we're still not at the point yet.

2202
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 5: I don't think where it's like other sports like baseball

2203
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 5: and basketball where the trade deadline is this like monumental

2204
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 5: trade day where all these guys are being moved and

2205
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 5: big names are being moved like it just it hasn't

2206
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 5: worked out that way. The big trades really have happened

2207
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 5: in the off season, if they happen at all, right,

2208
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 5: Like guys like Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, you know, Jalen Ramsey,

2209
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 5: like those guys get traded in the off season. They

2210
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 5: don't get traded midway. Through the year most of the time.

2211
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 5: So I feel like this is not like to the emailer,

2212
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 5: this is just in general because I hear it on

2213
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 5: all these everywhere that this buyers are sellers, buyers are

2214
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 5: sellers like that? In what world?

2215
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 4: Is that?

2216
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 5: How the NFL trade deadline works? Like, because most of

2217
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 5: the time nothing happens, or if it's something, it's like

2218
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 5: little trades here and there, a back end to the

2219
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 5: roster guys.

2220
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I love trades in hockey. It's a it's a totally

2221
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: different thing, like as you're coming down the stretch and

2222
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: you need somebody and then you just kind of get

2223
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: this hired gun that's probably only going to be there

2224
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: for the cup run. But it's just like it's kind

2225
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: of happened so often that you almost expect it. It's like,

2226
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, when someone comes into a football team. Now

2227
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: you're like, well, we got to teach them the offense.

2228
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 4: We got it last year. Yeah, great, there's a great deadline.

2229
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: It's fun and it's part of it.

2230
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 5: It's not you know, like in hindsight, they aren't so great.

2231
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 4: I think they were great moves. Just because they got

2232
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 4: knocked out in the first round.

2233
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 5: Also put them in cap jail. But this is not

2234
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 5: this is not Bruins unfilm.

2235
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 4: But I would just say, like the main difference to

2236
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 4: me and you guys have touched on it, it's like

2237
01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 4: football is different.

2238
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: Can't any you can't just.

2239
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,799
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't say that football is this super

2240
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 4: complicated sport that's so reliant on game planning and everything,

2241
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 4: and then just say you can just PLoP a guy

2242
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 4: in and you know nothing, you know, nothing is affected.

2243
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 4: You know, at some positions you can do that, sure,

2244
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 4: but for a lot of them, it's system reliant. You

2245
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 4: need to figure out if the guy can perform in

2246
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 4: your system. And the other part of it is like

2247
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 4: in baseball, you're trading for prospects, and I understand you

2248
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 4: could say, well, draft picks or prospects, but they're not

2249
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 4: like they're trading for guys who you've already seen playing

2250
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 4: at the professional level, who have shown a modicum of

2251
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 4: ability as opposed to a fifth round pick, you know,

2252
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 4: like it's not the same. Yeah, So I do think

2253
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 4: there'll be some trades. I think teams will continue to

2254
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 4: try to dump salary at the trade deadline, the teams

2255
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 4: that are out of it. But I agree with Evan

2256
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 4: I don't think it's like the other three sports. I

2257
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 4: think all three of the other sports are different than

2258
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 4: football in regard to the trade deadline.

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01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like J. C. Jackson's a great example of

2260
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 5: like that one just made. He's been here, he succeeded

2261
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 5: here the case by case, right, and it's like you're

2262
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 5: not learning a new system, You're not like going to

2263
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 5: a totally new team and all that type of stuff.

2264
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 5: But that's such a specific case that that just doesn't

2265
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 5: happen in the grand scheme of things all that often

2266
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 5: where it's like a player like that, that's you know,

2267
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 5: you're really just kind of plugging and playing him in

2268
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 5: because you know that he knows everything that he needs

2269
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 5: to know. It's just a unique situation.

2270
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I got one here from Brandon to Maine, a little

2271
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: game or like a would you rather game. I fully

2272
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I'm not a Mac fan. That he is

2273
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: I believe a mediocre at BES QB, and it would

2274
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 1: be in our best interest to move on from him

2275
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: as a third year QB. I think the uncertainty around

2276
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: him puts the Patriots in a difficult position, and I

2277
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: began to think about how our situation compares to the

2278
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 1: situation of other teams in the NFL. From there, I

2279
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: did my own little would you rather game in my

2280
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: head and now I share.

2281
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 6: It with you.

2282
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: I did not consider including the QBS that I think

2283
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: are definitely better than mac Allen to a Burrow, Lamar Mahomes,

2284
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: Herbert Gott, Hurts, and Stafford. I think there are more,

2285
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: but I think everyone can agree on those nine. So

2286
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: would you rather have Patriots current QB situation, third year

2287
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: mac On, a rookie contract or any of the below?

2288
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 5: Boy, it's gonna be a long list.

2289
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:19,839
Speaker 1: Titans Tannehill No, Broncos Wilson No, not in that contract.

2290
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: No Browns Watson, No, not in that contract. Raiders, Jimmy

2291
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: g No, everybody's favorite.

2292
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Probably not.

2293
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins yes, Baker Mayfield No, Derek thinking about it?

2294
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Maybe same yeah, car yes, yeah, and Gino Gino Smith No.

2295
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 5: I would rather Gino then he's got.

2296
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 1: A few rookie contract groups. This would probably be a

2297
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: little bit tougher pick it. No. Stroud yes, Stroud, yes,

2298
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 1: Richardson yeah, yes, No, No, Fields yes, Yes.

2299
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 5: I don't know that one's tough. I'm gonna say yes though.

2300
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence Yes, Howell.

2301
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.

2302
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 1: He looks he looks good at the standing there.

2303
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 4: I don't like love. Bryce Young, Yeah, I don't like Love.

2304
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: I would take Bryce No, No, not Desmond or No. Yes,

2305
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: he stinks I'll answer for him. That's the Rundown Rock Party.

2306
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,919
Speaker 5: And Matt Jones, are you Spider Man status?

2307
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 4: I think I think virtually every one of those guys,

2308
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 4: beyond the obvious ones, you could tell me, oh, sure,

2309
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 4: I'll take him over him, Oh today, I'll take him

2310
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 4: over Yeah, like Picket, I don't know two gloves. I

2311
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:50,520
Speaker 4: don't know about Baker Mayfield.

2312
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 5: The only guy that Only two guys on the list

2313
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 5: besides the obvious ones were Trevor Lawrence obviously, and I

2314
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 5: would take Kirk Cousins. But than that, I feel like.

2315
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: That that's and that's why it is certainly with the

2316
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 1: all the older dudes that have been around, Like I

2317
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: just that's what I don't really care to pursue this offseason.

2318
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: Like if it's going to be Mac, just roll with Mac.

2319
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to go to Jimmy g Don't you

2320
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like those guys, I just don't

2321
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: feel like it's it's we know.

2322
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 4: What they are.

2323
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 1: And even though Mac is, we kind of pretty much

2324
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: I feel like know what Mac is for the most part,

2325
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: especially when he's just scratching the surface right now, like there,

2326
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's something we have a little bit of

2327
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: optimism on him, or maybe you can, you know, talk

2328
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 1: yourself into believing that that Max's gonna you know, all

2329
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 1: of a sudden really build off of this last win.

2330
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I just none of those, none

2331
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: of those veteran quarterbacks appeal to me in any way,

2332
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Like if Mac, bring back Mac, if he stinks, get

2333
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 1: another pick, keep pursuing the quarterback position regardless, and you know,

2334
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 1: figure it out, figure it out, as they.

2335
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 4: Say, there's one.

2336
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh, here's a theory from Dylan and Nashville. The reason

2337
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Bill won't sign players the big contracts is because he

2338
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: needs to be the big highest paid person in the room.

2339
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 5: I think he would be the highest paid room person

2340
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,560
Speaker 5: in the room pretty much regardless, unless we're talking.

2341
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 4: About like Mahomes.

2342
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a quarterback, you know, I mean, Tyreek Hill's

2343
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 5: making thirty million a year, so I guess.

2344
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 4: That'll be when he retires.

2345
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 5: Those types of guys, but like, really, the only one

2346
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 5: that's gonna let be way over Bill would.

2347
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 4: Be when when Matt gets his Daniel Jones deal. That's

2348
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 4: when Bill says, see, that's and that's the I don't

2349
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 4: think he mentioned I don't think Daniel. Don't remember Daniel

2350
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 4: Jones on that list.

2351
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 1: But could you could you see them just get to

2352
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: the point and saying nope, no, Yeah, they could absolutely

2353
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: see it this time next year they've decided we're not

2354
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: giving him that.

2355
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 4: So oh no, the is different.

2356
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 5: So I've always thought that the best way to go

2357
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 5: about it unless he one hundred percent proves that he's

2358
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 5: one way or the other that he's not it or it.

2359
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 5: They have the fifth year option, and they also have

2360
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 5: the franchise tag, so technically it's a lot of.

2361
01:45:58,680 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Kicking the can down the road.

2362
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they would use the franchise tag.

2363
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 4: I think that's too much. It's too much. I think

2364
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean it's right.

2365
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 5: I just think it's like it's too much in terms

2366
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 5: of that one year. I agree, But at the same time,

2367
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 5: you're not giving him that ninety million guaranteed. Now you're

2368
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 5: only giving him thirty five million guaranteed, and that that

2369
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 5: number is.

2370
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 4: I just I don't think, and maybe they'll surprise me.

2371
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 4: I don't think they're comfortable with that unless they know

2372
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 4: for sure.

2373
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg and Florida says, you never answer my emails

2374
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: or discuss them, but I won't give up get rid

2375
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: of Mac. All right, there you go.

2376
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 5: That's it, that's the whole We got them, we got

2377
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 5: I got That's why we don't read.

2378
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Tell you some of it.

2379
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 4: Some of the emails today have gotten me to be

2380
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,639
Speaker 4: uh pro MAC, and I am not generally in that camp.

2381
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like they just.

2382
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 4: Feel like there's too much, you know, it's like it's

2383
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 4: too negative on him.

2384
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 5: That the pro MAC people came out of the woodwork

2385
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 5: after Sunday, and so now the anti BAC people have

2386
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 5: to their fighting empire strikes back, you know.

2387
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 4: The block police had a good had a good Monday.

2388
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 4: Dan Orlovski, Oh my god, what an embarrassment that was.

2389
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 1: So I didn't see it really was Peacock a little

2390
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 1: bit of a max.

2391
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 4: He shows a highlight of the touchdown pass to Gasiki

2392
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 4: and he goes pea shooter like that's like that's the

2393
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 4: play that you use to say, like, no, he has

2394
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 4: a good arm, Like I have nothing but accolades for

2395
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 4: Mac Jones. That's the play you're choosing to say, Oh no, no, no,

2396
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 4: you're wrong, Rex. He has a good arm. Look look

2397
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 4: at that. Look at how he floats the ball over

2398
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 4: the safety under the goalpost. Like great play, won the game.

2399
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm not criticizing at all, But that's an example of

2400
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 4: arms strength.

2401
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 5: Well there's two throws too that like the obviously the

2402
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 5: third down one to Hunter Henry and then I think

2403
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:41,679
Speaker 5: also floating.

2404
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 4: Okay again, Evan, don't misunderstand me. It was a perfect

2405
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 4: throw under tremendously tough circumstances, but it's not an example

2406
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 4: of man. He rifled that one in there. I think

2407
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 4: that's what Rex Ryan's beef is with him, is that

2408
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 4: he's a pea shooter.

2409
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the one to to Douglas two up

2410
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 5: the seam that was that had a little bit more

2411
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 5: more gusto on it.

2412
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm picturing one and I can't remember what it was,

2413
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: but he threw it to the left. I feel like

2414
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: they were in the red zone and it was like

2415
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 1: this close to getting picked off. I'm forgetting what's throw

2416
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: it was, but there was there was one where.

2417
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 5: He threw one. The one that he threw to Douglas,

2418
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 5: but it was it was a DPI, so maybe that

2419
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 5: made it look worse, but that one looked When Rex

2420
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 5: talks about arm talent, like at least what times that

2421
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 5: I've listened to him and like can stomach it for

2422
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 5: a minute, because he just pissed me off. But when

2423
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 5: he talks about arm talent, I think he's mostly talking

2424
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 5: about throws outside the numbers. Like I don't think that

2425
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 5: he feels like Mac can't make the Hunter Henry throw,

2426
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 5: you know, like where he can just drive it fourteen

2427
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 5: fifteen yards into the middle of the field. I think

2428
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 5: Rex is more talking about like can he throw a

2429
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 5: deep out from the far hash like with you know,

2430
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 5: without a perfect pocket and all you know, everything around him.

2431
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 5: And I can't disagree with him on that, like he

2432
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily have that kind of arm talent. And I also,

2433
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 5: you know, Rex also talks about like off platform, which

2434
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 5: we all know is very valid, but in terms of

2435
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 5: like throwing it into the middle of the field as

2436
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 5: long as it's you know, he's not under a ton

2437
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 5: of pressure, I think that he has enough to make

2438
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 5: those types of throws.

2439
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Patty and AGUAMC you got to jump off. That's all right, Patty.

2440
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 1: You made me look bad, but that's fine. My question

2441
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: is regarding the game on Sunday, more specifically, the Patriots

2442
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: history of Miami. For the most part, they play dreadful

2443
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,480
Speaker 1: down there. Give me more than one reason to be optimistic.

2444
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about it. I mean, it's always

2445
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: tough playing down there, no matter what you had or

2446
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: didn't have, and even some of the best Patriots teams

2447
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: lost down there. It's and that's like, and I just

2448
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 1: think this team is good at home too, generally. Like,

2449
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,719
Speaker 1: aside from the history, all that's true.

2450
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 4: The best thing I would say that the Patriots have

2451
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 4: going for them is Miami is really be to hell.

2452
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 4: They have a lot of injuries to key play.

2453
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 5: They are. They were on a record breaking pace offensively

2454
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 5: for the first like four or five weeks until that

2455
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 5: Bills game. They had the most yards I think in

2456
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 5: league history through like three or four games. And now

2457
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 5: they have definitely, you know, come back down to earth

2458
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 5: a little bit. But I do wonder from that Eagles game.

2459
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 5: As good as the Eagles game plan was and as

2460
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 5: well as well as I think they played defensively, there

2461
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 5: were some fluky things that happened in that game. You know,

2462
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 5: Tyreek kill gets one touchdown called back from a holding penalty,

2463
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 5: he drops another one. And then was it Cedric Wilson

2464
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 5: that got mauled on the sideline and.

2465
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 4: They face matched on a fourth down play?

2466
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't call it.

2467
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 4: It was a lot of different things. They also had

2468
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,440
Speaker 4: a third down stop that was overturned with a ridiculously

2469
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 4: soft roughing the passer. So there were a lot of

2470
01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 4: I mean ten penalties to zero, yeah, ten to zero, Like,

2471
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever seen that.

2472
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 8: No.

2473
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: I refed a game once, a youth hockey game, and

2474
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 1: I think it was four to zero, and the coach

2475
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 1: was apoplectic and he was walking off after the game

2476
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: like he's so mad at me, and he's just holding

2477
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: up like four to zero, four to zero, And I

2478
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: didn't think it sounded that bad, like fourthly, what like

2479
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 1: you guys are tripping guys, Like, what do you want

2480
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 1: me to do? Like kind of anyway, Yeah, I just

2481
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:21,599
Speaker 1: tail from Deuce's.

2482
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,879
Speaker 4: I just don't know if ten to zero is yeah,

2483
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 4: And if you saw the game and you see like

2484
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 4: there's a key fourth down in a seventeen seventeen game

2485
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 4: or a twenty four to seventeen game was something like that.

2486
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 4: Like people think they got blown out, They didn't really

2487
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,440
Speaker 4: get blown out of the game. It ended with Philadelphia

2488
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 4: just sort of imposing its will on Miami. Like the

2489
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 4: last drive, they're just running the clock out up fourteen

2490
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 4: and they're running Toush pushes, you know, like on every

2491
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,440
Speaker 4: fourth down, and they couldn't.

2492
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 5: Stoften his media were losing their mind, you know, ban

2493
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 5: the Toush bush.

2494
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: And did you guys see something I think today about

2495
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,759
Speaker 1: I think it might have been Jim Ersay or something,

2496
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: somebody talking about the call.

2497
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 5: And the call that men get a fine for that.

2498
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's.

2499
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 4: Like, well the the cults really got scooty.

2500
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, they do that every week where they

2501
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 5: they talk about the the grade the officiating, and they

2502
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 5: talk about some of the the missed calls and it's

2503
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 5: a I think it's like collectively bargained that it's it's

2504
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 5: you basically sign an NDA to be on the call,

2505
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 5: but yeah, you don't talk about it. I think that

2506
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,440
Speaker 5: that's something you know, they do the pool if we

2507
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 5: request request a pool reporter to go in and talk

2508
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 5: to the refs. Then you have that option, I believe

2509
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 5: is how it works. And usually, like last year, for example,

2510
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 5: on Thanksgiving with the Hunter Henry play, usually it's it's

2511
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 5: Reese that get that, that goes and asks the questions

2512
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 5: for on behalf of everybody. But in general, I do

2513
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,600
Speaker 5: think that there needs to be more transparency about the refereeing,

2514
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 5: especially late in games if there are questionable calls and uh,

2515
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 5: you know, the NBA does like the last two minute

2516
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 5: report where they come out with the last two minutes

2517
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,120
Speaker 5: of the fourth quarter. They have a report of what

2518
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 5: we got wrong and what we got right, and what

2519
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 5: we missed, what we didn't miss you know, that sort

2520
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 5: of thing.

2521
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 4: And the NBA is a league where they played basketball.

2522
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 1: That's with the hoop and the yeah, the ball and

2523
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 1: the hoop.

2524
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Evan.

2525
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 5: They start tonight. By the way, Celtics's oh yeah, are

2526
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 5: they going to have a quality team this year? They

2527
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 5: are going to be pretty darn good.

2528
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 4: Some in the Celtics media have suggested seventy wins in

2529
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 4: a sixteen and one record in the playoffs.

2530
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 5: I mean, some people.

2531
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: Might give him that one lose one.

2532
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 5: All I know is that tonight is Bradley Amos's Nicks

2533
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 5: against my Celtics. So this is a big game, friend,

2534
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 5: the Celtics. The Celtics top.

2535
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: Something he likes. Huh there's something?

2536
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, can you believe that? That's what I would say.

2537
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 5: Game. And if I have to go to Miami on

2538
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 5: the plane with Amos for four hours and listen to

2539
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 5: him talk about how the Knicks beat the Celtics, I'm

2540
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 5: going to be really miserable.

2541
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 4: Well, this would be the time of the year that

2542
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 4: the Knicks would beat the Celtics. I wouldn't worry about it.

2543
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I gotta get clear. Question in there. Hi, everyone,

2544
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 1: nice job hosting Deuce. Nice Claire, appreciate it. In question though,

2545
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: as Patriots fans, how would you feel if these three

2546
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 1: tight end sets are the future of the offense under

2547
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: Bill o'royan.

2548
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 5: Three tight end sets? No?

2549
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, no, no, no, Claire, you're getting crazy on

2550
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: the tight ends, girl, just like three of them.

2551
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 5: They did that in the Miami game. Remember they came

2552
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,599
Speaker 5: out with three tight ends and they went empty. Added

2553
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 5: three tight ends.

2554
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, went with the long game to

2555
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 4: set up the federal Brown touched out against the Jets.

2556
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did we set up against the Bills for this.

2557
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 5: Weekend, and then against the Bills they actually put their

2558
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 5: fast guys on the field and what do you know,

2559
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 5: they score season high twenty nine points. So what I

2560
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 5: did like about how they used their tight ends against

2561
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 5: Buffalo that they ran a lot of twelve and I

2562
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 5: think some of it was because of Hunter. Henry's been

2563
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 5: banged up, so his role kind of was reduced a

2564
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 5: little bit, but they had They ran twelve with Faroh

2565
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 5: Brown and Gasiki in the twelve package, and like Faraoh

2566
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 5: Brown was like your traditional inline tight end and Gasiki

2567
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 5: was the detached receiver and it allowed you know, Farah

2568
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,040
Speaker 5: Brown should he should get his opportunities to block a

2569
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 5: little bit like that. That helps them in general if

2570
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 5: he gets some pass blocking opportunities, whether it's just chipping

2571
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 5: and then releasing or it's actually staying in and like

2572
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 5: an extra protector. I like when they do that. And

2573
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 5: and it still allows them to have a pass catching

2574
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 5: tight end in the game with Kasiki. But three tight ends,

2575
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 5: we like, Please, but let's get some guys that can

2576
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 5: run on the field, thank you.

2577
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: I uh, well, we saw front of the program Jordan

2578
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 1: Reid up without his first mock draft of the year,

2579
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 1: and he has the Patriots going with brock Bowers there, Claire,

2580
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 1: so get some get some brock Blowers in your life

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01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: and start getting excited for that. I'm sure she's dreading

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01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 1: the offseason where the Patriots have no tight ends under contract.

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01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 5: I'm not Tyler from No it's a chance to hit

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01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 5: the reset.

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01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean I would Ferrell Brown would be available. Tyler

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01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: from Georgia just said welcome. Going to Denver was tough

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01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 1: for me. I kind of like, I.

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01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 4: Mean, I I can see that, not so much the.

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01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Sense of being a fan, and I'm upset. But he's

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01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 1: a good player. He's going to Peyton, you know.

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01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 5: It's it's that was a good one, especially because it

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01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 5: wasn't a ton of mine.

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01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 4: No, it just like didn't they didn't want them?

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01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't want them, Yeah, Greg, Greg Glaizon, it

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01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 1: just says Celtics will have a great year. Bruins too.

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01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: There you go, Greg, I read two your emails today.

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01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 4: So is that Greg and the building Department. There's different Greg.

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01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 4: He usually signs it Greg and the Billiing Department.

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01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 1: No, but he is in facilities management though.

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01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 5: Okay, the Buruns are the Burns are just such a

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01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 5: weird Have you watched them at all?

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01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 5: They have not played well.

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01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 4: No, No, they played pretty well last night the second

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01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 4: in the second and third period, but they can't score

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01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 4: and they don't generate a ton of office.

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01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 5: Their their goaltending is excellent and that that's been carrying them.

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01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 5: But they haven't been playing a lot of good offensive

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01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 5: teams yet. So let's see if there's you know, a

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01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 5: lot more odd man rushes and things like that. But

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01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 5: Swaymen and Olmark have have just been lights out. And

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01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 5: Montgomery said that before the game yesterday that like they've

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01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 5: kind of saved, Like the only reason why we're five

2614
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 5: and o is because of our goaltending. Is I think

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01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 5: what he said.

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01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy to say that I can say Patra now

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01:56:58,040 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: and just just comes off the tongue.

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01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 5: Now they keep them, they're better.

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01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: He's had three goals already, Yeah, I'd like to.

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01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not just that he scored three goals.

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01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 4: Like the goal last night was not just like a

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01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 4: Van Reensdyke. You know, I don't think I shot off

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01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 4: the backboard into the off the guy's pad into the net.

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01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 4: You know, he's like speed poke check in the in

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01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 4: the defensive zone, splitt in two defenders and going in

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01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 4: alone and like it was nasty. That was a good goal.

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01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 1: So a lot that goes into those decisions, I imagine,

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01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: because once you make the choice, he's there, right, and yeah,

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01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to overwhelm him. And he's like,

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01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 1: what nineteen years old?

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01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 5: Like I can't think he's eighteen nineteen?

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01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 4: Is he nineteen?

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01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 5: Yeah? But guard's eighteen, Greg, that's right.

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01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 4: Well they were talking about but DoD like the better,

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01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 4: like the the mother and the sister are like rotating,

2636
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 4: like staying with him, like like that took like the

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01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 4: boy he's like he's eighteen like him, you know.

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01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 5: But they uh so we watched behind the bee, right,

2639
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 5: because like we're diehards, right, so we watched behind the bee,

2640
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 5: behind the beer. They showed like the roster is vision.

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01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 5: At the end of training camp, it was like kind

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01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 5: of interesting and basically Don Sweeney was like leading the

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01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 5: meeting and he was Bruins GM and he was like

2644
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 5: what is you asked the coaching staff, like what is

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01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 5: your lineup? Like what's your best lineup? And they just

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01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 5: gave him like the twenty skaters that they wanted on

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01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 5: the lineup, and he was like all right, and then

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01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 5: he just like figures out like how to make it

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01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 5: work with all the other you know, cap and this

2650
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:26,640
Speaker 5: and that, and I just wonder, like with the Patriots,

2651
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 5: like it's the same guy, right, does he just look

2652
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 5: in the mirror and is like, well, this is my

2653
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 5: best lineup, but you know this, this and this could

2654
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 5: happen like I it just it was interesting to see

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01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 5: the behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna close it out with one random question. I

2657
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: like this one from Stevie. Random question, But is Marie

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01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 1: Matt a Patriots fan? Does he even like football? Does

2659
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 1: he talk Patriots football with the cast outside of the show?

2660
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 4: No, don't.

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01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 1: It just makes sound good.

2662
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 4: He just talks. He talks Star Wars.

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01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: That's it, which David Andrews doesn't like. And that's a

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01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: that's my first, my first big bone to pick with

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01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 1: with David Andrews.

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01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 4: But all right, that's gonna do it for us. You've

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01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 4: got a meeting now we sure change.

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01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: I like for a long read to do fall here,

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01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the Toyota one. I'll do it Fred style.

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01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 1: But of course, stay tuned for John Rook in the

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01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: playbook up next, and hopefully Fred will be back tomorrow

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01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 1: and off jury duty so that you don't have to

2673
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: listen to me. And tomorrow we got a big announcement

2674
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 1: just to say the team is switched. Locker room around,

2675
01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 1: So Catch twenty two ten to twelve tomorrow right before

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01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 1: p that's going to be a new time, so probably

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01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 1: a permanent switch, So ten to twelve thursdays for Catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two. And lastly, here comes your Here comes your

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