1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: You're ready to weird. This is Strange Things. I am 11 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Joshua B. Warren, and each week on this show, I'll 12 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, 13 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 14 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: lot more. On this edition of the program, an amazing 15 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: new ghost photo has been captured and I am breaking 16 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: it right here on this podcast exclusively. I've been doing 17 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: a lot of that lately. I recently broke some amazing 18 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: UFO footage and now I have this picture I'm going 19 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: to tell you all about. Plus plus we're gonna get 20 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: into who is the Devil? That's quite a topic, and 21 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I want to warn you that I will be playing 22 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: some audio a little bit later that really freaks some 23 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: people out. So I know I talk a lot about inspirational, 24 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy stuff, but this is this is gonna 25 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: be a creepy one for some of you that said 26 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: let's jump into this new ghost photo. Of course, I 27 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: live here in Las Vegas, Nevada, and I produced the 28 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: Vegas Ghost and UFO show that we do almost every 29 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: weekend at the Millennium Fandom Bar in downtown Vegas, very 30 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: popular cosplay bar. The show is hosted by Nick Weird. 31 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: It's a big party all the time, but especially on 32 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: the weekends there and the manager is a lady named 33 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Linda Beamonte, who is also a psychic medium. In fact, 34 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: if you remember the podcast that I did where I 35 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: went to the Haunted Pioneer Saloon and Good Springs, Nevada, 36 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: I brought a crew with me and Linda was part 37 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: of that crew. So Linda contacted me recently and she said, 38 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: there is this woman who lives in Vegas. She came 39 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: into the bar. Her name is Teresa Marie, and she 40 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: took a photograph that I really think you ought to 41 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: see and I said, okay, I'll be happy to take 42 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: a look at it. Linda sent me a photo that amazingly, 43 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it just immediately made me do like a 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: double take, like what, okay, here's the situation. Theresa Marie 45 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: she studied photography professionally for five years. She now works 46 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: in the legal field. And on December nine of two 47 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, she was at the Church of Notre 48 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: Dame in Paris, France, late at night, about ten forty 49 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: two pm local time. And of course, as you know, 50 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: the Church of Notre Dame is not even accessible right 51 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: now because it caught on fire in twenty nineteen. So 52 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: here she was three years more or less before that, 53 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: and she took a photo. She was by herself. She 54 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: was like on a backpacking kind of trips. She set 55 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: up a tripod, she had a professional camera, and she 56 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: took a photo of herself standing there in front of 57 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: the church of Notre Dame. And she gave it just 58 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a long exposure, and I swear 59 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: to you, it looks like there are two apparitional nuns, 60 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: like very solid looking nuns standing behind her, wearing hoods. 61 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: And now one thing that I immediately was concerned about 62 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: was that it looked like I mean, there was a 63 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: light in the background, and anytime somebody takes a picture 64 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: and it sort of pointed toward the light, that bothers 65 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: me some because I think, well, could this light have 66 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: just created this illusion somehow? But I contacted her. I 67 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: got her on the phone and let me tell you, 68 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: she had control photos. She she told me what kind 69 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: of camera she used. It was a Canon camera. Uh, 70 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: she gave me. I was actually can an e O 71 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: S T three rebel never been dropped her damage. She 72 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: told me what kind of lens it was, the aperture again, 73 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: the exposure time, the focal length, the iOS, all this stuff. 74 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean, she could not have done a better job 75 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: documenting what what is in this image. And I sent 76 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: that to my A team. I sent it to Mobius, 77 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: I sent it to a professional photographer, c Eric Scott. 78 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: I sent it to historian Vance Pollock. None of them 79 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: could explain these figures that look so solid in this image. 80 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: And so I think she has a picture of what 81 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: appears to be a couple of ghostly women standing behind her. 82 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: All right, and so before I give you more details 83 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: about our analysis, I decided to bring her onto the 84 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: show and let her tell you at her own words 85 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: about her experience. It helps lend credibility to hear from 86 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: the photographer about how she got this picture. And then 87 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: after this I'll come back and I'll give you more 88 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: information about our analysis. If you want to see this 89 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: picture though for now while you're listening to her, go 90 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: to Joshua P. Warren dot com. Click the link to 91 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: the Curiosity Shop and if you scroll down, you'll just 92 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: see her name somewhere near the bottom of the page, 93 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Teresa Marie. And if you click her name, then that'll 94 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: take you to a page with all the enhancements. So 95 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I got her on the phone and I just said, 96 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: please tell us the story, Teresa, of how you captured 97 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: this photo. And here's what she said. Um. So, I 98 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: was in France and I was backpacking solo, um, trying 99 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: to capture all those little things here and there that 100 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: everyone goes to as a tourist, as well as exploring 101 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: other places. I believe that was my last night in France. 102 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: I was getting ready to head back to the States. Um, 103 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, let me go snag a photo 104 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: at Notre Dame, go explore UM, and I set up 105 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: my tripod UM, you know, just with my DSLR. I 106 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: took photography in school and wanted to get a really 107 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: good long exposure UM in front of it, kind of 108 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: in an area that it was a too crowded, bright 109 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: up front, and get the whole building UM. And I 110 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: took one or two shots before UM, just to get 111 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: where I really wanted to snap that photo UM, and 112 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: then one after it and I was looking through in 113 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: my preview pain between the photos and saw something. UM. 114 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: I zoomed in, packed up and took a picture of 115 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it on my iPhone actually and sent it to my 116 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: little brother in the States and was like, if anything happens, 117 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to this bar, just letting you know where 118 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: to look for me. UM. And it was funny because 119 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: you could see it in the privy pain. It wasn't 120 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: like I downloaded it onto my computer and looked and 121 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: zoomed in later. It was very noticeable UM in my 122 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: cannon UM. And I actually ended up not touring or 123 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: going any closer to Notre Dam. I was kind of 124 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: freaked out and packed up and headed away. And it's 125 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: so great that you were able to also capture those 126 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: control photos that we were able to use for analysis. 127 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: And UM, so now have you captured something ghostly like 128 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: that before? No? UM, I and I looked through all 129 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: of my photos. I've been all over I went to 130 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: on that trip. I went to um Bath Bruge gent 131 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Um it's a Brusian gent in Belgium bath. And when 132 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: um Stonehenge, I went to UM the mont St. Michelle Abbey. UM, 133 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and none of my photos had anything else. UM. I've 134 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: been all over the US, UM taking photos. I've you know, 135 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: been in cemetery's never really thought about it, looked at 136 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: photos in the past, nothing like that. UM. I've experienced 137 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: and seen ghosts. UM as a kid. You know, everyone 138 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: discredits if you've actually seen them, so you don't talk 139 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: about it much unless you find that little niche of 140 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: people who totally you know, believe you would agree with you. 141 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: So when I caught this photo, it was kind of 142 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: like I actually have not you know, it's proof, it's 143 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: you can say you see it all day and whether 144 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: people believe it or not that the photo is real. UM, 145 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: what I experienced I knew was real. So for those 146 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: who have not had a chance to look at the 147 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: photo yet, UM, please describe what you see when you 148 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: look at that image. UM. So the full image is 149 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: me standing in front of UM Notre dame, and I 150 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: believe it's over my right shoulder. UM. There's Uh to 151 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the right of me, and there's a lamppost. Two women 152 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: and then up above my head. UM appears to be 153 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: too floating nuns UM. One of them. She has a 154 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: very um like it's very pronounced, like the definition to 155 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: her face. UM. She's you know, more of an elongated face, 156 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: very very red lips um with I always thought it 157 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: was a habit. I didn't know what else to call it. 158 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: That's what I grew up knowing them as UM. But 159 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: I believe you, Josh head, that there was another name, 160 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: and I don't remember it, but UM. And then there's 161 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: another woman slightly above her to the right of that. 162 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: UM in the photo would be probably looking at it 163 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: at the left. I'm remembering actually standing there and taking 164 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: it UM. And I want to say, she looks like 165 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: she has more of a round face with glasses. Even so, 166 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: it's very like to me they were very noticeable immediately 167 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: with facial features. All Right, we have to take a 168 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: break and when we come back, I'll tell you more 169 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: about what we found in our analysis, and I'm gonna 170 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: play some freaky audio for you. You might not want 171 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: to listen to this late at night before you go 172 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: to bed, but remember if you want to see this 173 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: photo that that Teresa took. I've got it up there 174 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: right now. I don't know how long I'll have it there. 175 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: If you go to Joshua P. 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Welcome back 212 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast 213 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. I'm your host, the 214 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Wizard of Weird, Joshua B. Warren, beaming into your wormhole 215 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, 216 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver. 217 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: The Church of Notre Dame, well, they started building it 218 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: in the year eleven sixty three, Notre Dame de Peri. 219 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: This means our Lady at Paris. And I have been 220 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: a professional paranormal investigator for around thirty years and I 221 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: don't bring people on this show to talk about having 222 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: captured a paranormal image unless I think it's it's really 223 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: worthy because I have talked to that person, I have 224 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: gotten thorough data from that person, a lot of details, 225 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: and had it analyzed by a great team of people. 226 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: And I want to really think Teresa Marie for sending 227 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: this to me, and actually we'll Lynda be a Monte 228 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: sent it, but I want to thank Teresa for talking 229 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: to me and coming on this show and sharing this 230 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: with us and letting us post it for you. And 231 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: when you look at this picture, and again, if you 232 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: want to see it, go to Joshua Pee Warren dot com, 233 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: click the link to the Curiosity Shop scrolled down, and 234 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: just click the link to her name, Teresa Marie. Here 235 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: she is standing outside of the church at night, and 236 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: there are there are a couple of normal women like 237 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: tourists in the background who are staring up at the church. 238 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: But looking over Teresa Marie's shoulder are these two figures 239 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: that immediately appear like nuns, but you can only see 240 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: them from sort of the waist up, or primarily see 241 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: them from the waist up. They have these kind of 242 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: white hoods, and their faces are so distinct and so 243 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: solid that when you look at the close up, I mean, 244 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to deny that these are some types of apparitions. 245 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: And again I hated that there was a light in 246 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: the background, and it was then this is a slightly 247 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: long exposure because I know that can create some very 248 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: weird optical illusions. But in this case, I think that 249 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: we can't just explain this as as a lens flare 250 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: or an optical illusion like that. It's too distinct. And 251 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: so here's here's what happened. Like again, I sent it 252 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: to a bunch of experts. Mobia said he couldn't explain 253 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: what this was, but you know, see Eric Scott, he 254 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: is again a professional filmmaker and professional photographer, and he said, 255 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: this is a very interesting photo. He said, I've been 256 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: trying to come up with any and all practical reasons 257 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: that would have caused this to happen. I've even researched 258 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: this particular camera model to see if it had any 259 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: known long exposure issues. And he goes on to get 260 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: very technical here, and he said, you know, I've I've 261 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: passed this through a variety of filters, and he ends 262 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: up saying that, um, he he put it through an 263 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: embossing filter, which sort of makes the physical details pop. 264 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: And he said, in the embossed crop, you can even 265 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: see that the heads have a three to inchinnel appearance, 266 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: but they don't seem flat. They seem to pop out 267 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: like people sort of you know, vaguely transparent people standing there. 268 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: Eric summarizes by saying, anyway, I cannot come up with 269 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: any reasonable explanation that would cause this exact thing to happen. Now, 270 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: vance my historian, who might call Sherlock Pollock fancy Pollock. 271 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: He he was looking at this in historical context, and 272 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: he was really impressed, and he said, when you when 273 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: you look at the type of of hoods or head 274 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: garments that these ladies appear to be wearing, he says, 275 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: I believe this looks like a common camelet hood that's 276 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: spelled c a m l et, a camelet hood from 277 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: the late seventeenth century. We would identify them with the 278 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: era of the witch trials. He said the hood was 279 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: often worn loose, that is untied, and then he all 280 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: so included a picture of women wearing that, and he said, 281 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: I have not seen so far any portrayals of nuns 282 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: of Notre Dame wearing anything quite like this on their heads. 283 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: But he says, it's a fascinating image. So that makes 284 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: it even more interesting in a way that we would 285 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: associate that with something like which trial. So look, all 286 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: I can tell you is we've done everything that we 287 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: can do. She has control photos that do that. We're 288 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: taken the same way. It's not in the control photos. 289 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: We have all the technical information, we have her explanation, 290 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: we have our expert analysis, and I just I really 291 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: cannot explain what we have here. So I hope that 292 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: you'll go take a look at it. And when you 293 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: consider that this was taken outside of a church, though, 294 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: it makes it especially interesting. I find churches fascinating and 295 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: inspirational and creepy all at once, because churches are kind 296 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: of the front minds for what we think of as 297 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: a great spiritual battle between good and evil, and sometimes 298 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: evil is able to take hold within the church, and 299 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: sometimes the opposite can happen, and good things can happen 300 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: in places that we traditionally associate with evil. It's a 301 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: big battle that's always going back and forth. And it 302 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: may be that these women are some kinds of protective 303 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: spirits that were there around the church, or maybe they 304 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: knew what was coming up, uh that there was going 305 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: to be this tragic fire in a few years. I mean, again, 306 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: all we can do is speculate. But when I start 307 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: looking at the possibility that we have spirits here that 308 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: are are holy and protective and maybe guardians of this place, 309 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: well that I can't help but thinking about the possibility 310 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: of really scary, negative, well demonic type things. And look, 311 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: in all my years of doing paranormal research, I've never 312 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: seen a little a little devil with horns running around 313 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: that looks like a little gargle. I know people see 314 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: creatures like that. I've never seen like a cartoon caricature 315 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: of a demon. But you know, I did interview x 316 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: or suspiciou Brian we lett Uh not too long ago 317 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: on this show. If you haven't listened to that, you 318 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: might want to go back and listen to it. Fascinating interview. 319 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: He has a very nuanced way of viewing what say 320 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: possession is, and he has He says he has seen 321 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: people levitate, and he has seen immortal strength, and he's 322 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: seen people's faces change, and he's seen this kind of stuff. 323 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: And I think he is inclined to believe that that 324 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: humans are the conduit for evil, that it we have 325 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: maybe good and evil within us, but the evil is 326 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: powerless without humans there. And when you think about this 327 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: idea of like demonic possession, and we try to wrap 328 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: our our minds around what that that really means and 329 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: what that's about. I think of some of the audio 330 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: clips that I've heard that have been presented to me 331 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: as authentic audio of people who are possessed and who 332 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: are undergoing an exorcism, and one of the creepiest pieces 333 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: of audio that I have is from a supposed Russian 334 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: exorcism that took place many years ago. And here's the 335 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: most bizarre thing. I decided to play this for you guys. 336 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: And you know I I've done professional radio and audio 337 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: work for for decades, and I went to capture this audio, 338 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: just like I've done a million times with anything else. 339 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: And it took me an hour. I couldn't capture the audio. 340 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: Every time I would try to capture it would play 341 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: on my computer. But every time I try to capture it, 342 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: I would get error messages. And I would put it 343 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: into programs to convert it and I would get an 344 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: error message, and I thought, maybe I'm not even supposed 345 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: to play this. So finally I said, you know what 346 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I just took out my cell 347 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: phone and I played it on my computer and I 348 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: recorded on my cell phone, and then I just emailed 349 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: it to myself. So that's what you're literally about to hear. 350 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: This is a little over a minute, and it's gonna 351 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: be a hard minute to listen to for many of you, 352 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: but I want you to listen to this and think 353 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: about whether or not you believe This sounds like there's 354 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: something actually supernatural happening to this this Russian woman as 355 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: she is undergoing an exorcism. Okay, are you ready? I'll 356 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: give you a countdown just in case you don't want 357 00:23:51,240 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: to hear this. Now, this is creepy stuff. Three two one, yeah, 358 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: Now what do you think has caused such a reaction 359 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: and that woman? Could it be? All right? We're gonna 360 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back, I'm going to 361 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: play some more downright scary audio for you, and then 362 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: we're going to dig into that question of who is 363 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: the devil? I mean, if you were to come into 364 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: contact with this figure called the devil, what would that 365 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: really be like? What would that really mean? Maybe it's 366 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: a little more nuanced than you would expect. Maybe you 367 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: encounter the devil all the time. I'm Joshua pe Warren. 368 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to strange things on the I Heart Radio 369 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a AM paranormal podcast network, And 370 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: I'll be right back now within minutes. You can't take 371 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: years off your looks instantly ageless from Healthy Looking dot 372 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Com takes care of those under eye bags, forehead wrinkles, 373 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: saggy eyebrows, crow's feet and facial pores. 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I'm your host Joshua 401 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: Pee Warren. And this is the show where the unusual 402 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: becomes usual. If indeed the minions, the minions of the devil, 403 00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: are these demons? Can they actually possess somebody? Have you 404 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: heard of the movie surely you have, The Exorcism of 405 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Emily Rose. It came out in two thousand five. That 406 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 1: was based on the case of a real girl in 407 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: Germany named annalyse Michelle. And she was born in September 408 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty two and she died July of nineteen 409 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: seventy six. She was only twenty three years old. She 410 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: died in the midst of an exorcism. And whatso outstanding 411 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: is they say that she underwent sixty seven Catholic exorcism 412 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: rights during the year before her death, and ultimately when 413 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: she died, doctors said that they thought she died of malnutrition, 414 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: and because of that, her parents and the priest were 415 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: convicted of negligent homicide. She was diagnosed with epileptic psychosis 416 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: and had a history of psychiatric treatment. So this is 417 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: a case where we have a real young woman here 418 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: who ended up actually dying in the midst of exorcisms 419 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: and a legal conviction. Also, they say the award winning 420 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: two thousand six film Requiem was based upon her case. 421 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: And so there is what I understand to be actual 422 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: audio from one of her exorcisms, and I figure, you 423 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: know what, since this is such an outstanding case, I 424 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: may as well play just one minute or so of 425 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: this for you so you can see how she compares 426 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: to what you just heard from the Russian woman who 427 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: was undergoing an exorcism. And I don't speak German well 428 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: enough to actually understand what she is saying in this clip, 429 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: but once again, I'm sure that some of you will 430 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: find this very disturbing, so we'll give it a little 431 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: over a minute, and here is my countdown for you 432 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: of her being uh exercised three two one, she was happy, 433 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: don't shine crazy? Seejusi Fafi see to Lousi Fai. Alright, 434 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: so that is all the exorcism audio I'm gonna play 435 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: for you, So don't worry about that. If that's too 436 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: heavy for you, I get it. And as a matter 437 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: of fact, I have attended a couple of exorcisms myself, 438 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: and uh, these were many years ago, but I saw 439 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: people make the same kinds of of sounds, and their 440 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: faces contort and their backs arch, and they sort of 441 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: almost seemed to shape shift into some other type of 442 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: of creature. And now, I've never seen anything that could 443 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: not just be a hell of an acting job, if 444 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: you want to get right down to it. I've never 445 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: seen somebody levitate or create some you know, poulter Geist 446 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: phenomenon in the room where I've never seen that. But 447 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, there is something to this phenomenon, and we 448 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves, all right, well, what's the source 449 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: of all this? Who is this character called the Devil 450 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: that is supposedly behind all this? And if you just 451 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: go and you basically start reading about the devil, just 452 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: to the Wikipedia page, it says the devil is the 453 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: personification of evil as it is conceived in various cultures 454 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: and various traditions. It is seen as the objectification of 455 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: a hostile and destructive force. It's important to understand that 456 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: the devil is a figure in many, many different religions 457 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: all around the world, and of course many we have 458 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: many different names Satan, Lucifer, Bills above, Mephisophlees, etcetera. But 459 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: as far as the meaning of the word in modern English, 460 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: the word devil comes from the Middle English word de 461 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: vel and, which comes from the Old English word death 462 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: all and that in turn represents an Early Germanic borrowing 463 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: of the Latin word the obelis, and ultimately it means slanderer, 464 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: a slanderer, So slandering things is devilish. And if we 465 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, considering that this is an American podcast and 466 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: Christianity is the top religion in the world, it says 467 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: in Christianity in particular, that that evil is incarnate in 468 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: the devil or Satan, a fallen angel who is the 469 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: primary opponent of God. So he was once an angel, 470 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: and he got mad at God and betrayed him. And 471 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: this fallen angel now comes down here terrorizing the world 472 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: through evil, and he is the one who's in charge 473 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: of this realm. He's the prince of this particular realm 474 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: right now. And as far as how he looks, the 475 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: Bible is always very vague about this, as Satan is 476 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: traditionally identified as the serpent who convinced Eve to eat 477 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: the forbidden fruit. Thus, he has often been depicted as 478 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: a serpent, as a serpent um and it on the 479 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: other hand, it says, you know, in the Bible, the 480 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: devil is identified with the dragon and the old serpent 481 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: seen in the Book of Revelation again the prince of 482 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: this world and the spirit that now worketh in the 483 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: children of disobedience disobedience. So so basically, you know, even 484 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: though he's he's called a serpent. You know, if you 485 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 1: read the Book of Genesis, it says that, well, he's 486 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: talking to Eve, and you know, we know that I've 487 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: we've not seen a talking snake, and and the story 488 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: basically goes that God was so angry that uh he 489 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: had that that the devil had interfered with Adam and Eve, 490 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: that he cursed his form to slither on his belly forever. 491 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: And so you get the idea that the devil took 492 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: on a form that was not like we think of 493 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: as the modern day serpent. Okay. So that said, there 494 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: is one moment in the Bible that is particularly dramatic 495 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: if you really think about it, and that is when 496 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: the devil sits down and has direct conversations with Jesus. So, 497 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: if you believe in the stories of the Bible, and 498 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: you believe that Jesus was a divine incarnation, perhaps I mean, 499 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, some say Jesus was basically God and the 500 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: devil has decided to come and talk to him. Now 501 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: that's an interesting conversation, isn't it. And let's go back 502 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: and look at just what the devil actually says to Jesus. 503 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: According to the Bible, in the Book of Matthew, it 504 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: says that Jesus was led by spirit. Okay, this is 505 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: something like the Holy Spirit, I guess, to go into 506 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: the wilderness and too fast for forty days and forty nights. Well, 507 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 1: he was obviously a man, and he was hungry. Okay, 508 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: so I'm paraphrasing a little bit here. But then it 509 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: says the tempter came to him. Now we're talking about 510 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: the devil appears. Doesn't say how he appeared, doesn't saybody 511 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: looks like and the tempter comes to him and says, 512 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't say like, let's let's do battle like Darth 513 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi. No, he just says, you're hungry, right, yeah, yeah, Jesus, 514 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 1: So he says, well, if you're the son of God, 515 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, just tell these stones to become bread. So 516 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: what is the okay, what's the message here? The message 517 00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: is that the devil is trying to undermine Jesus's confidence 518 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: in himself, like, well, if you're so special, you know, 519 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to go through this, use your special 520 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: magical power and make make these stones turn into bread 521 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: so you're not hungry anymore. And Jesus responds in a 522 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: very interesting way. He says, man shall not live on 523 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: bread alone, but on every word that comes from the 524 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: mouth of God. That's a very interesting point, isn't it. 525 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: Man shall not live by bread alone, because if you 526 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: do that, well, you're just like an animal. The humans 527 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: are beyond that. We're we're spiritual. When we come back, 528 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about the other two things that the devil 529 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: said to Jesus and what is he getting at, what's 530 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: his message? What can we learn by the moral the 531 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: morals of these stories and also, can you bind up 532 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: the devil? I think I may have some ideas on 533 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: that for you. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to 534 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the I R Radio and Coast to 535 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: Coast AM. They're a normal podcast network, and I'll be 536 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: right back after these important messages. 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Warren. And think about 547 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: the devil telling Jesus, you know, if you're so great, 548 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: do that He's trying to make him maybe abuse his power. 549 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: Jesus says, man shall not live on bread alone. That's true. 550 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 1: Then the devil took him to the Holy City and 551 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: had him stand on the highest point of the temple 552 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: and said, if you are the son of God, throw 553 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: yourself down. He says, he will command his angels concerning you, 554 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: and they will lift you up in their hands so 555 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: that you will not strike your foot against a stone. 556 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: So now the devil's tempting him with suicide. Oh really, well, 557 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: you don't want to demonstrate your power. Okay, Well here's 558 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: another version. Why don't you just kill yourself and let's 559 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: see if how how much that God really loves you, 560 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: how much he's gonna protect you. And Jesus answers him, 561 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: and he says, do not put the Lord your God 562 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: to the test. Do not put your Lord to God 563 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: to the test. So then the devil takes him to 564 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: a very high mountain and shows him all the kingdoms 565 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: of the world. It's like the devil's teleporting Jesus around here, 566 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: shows him all the kingdoms of the world and they're 567 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,959 Speaker 1: splendor and decides, well, I guess this is my last 568 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: chance to win this guy over. And he says, all 569 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: of this I will give you if you'll just bow 570 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: down and worship me. And Jesus said, away from me, Satan, 571 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: for it is written worship the Lord, your God, and 572 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: serve him only. And that is when the devil gave 573 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: up and left, and then angels appeared and attended to Jesus. 574 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: Now isn't that interesting that Again, it's not like the 575 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: devil appeared and wanted to do vicious battle like something 576 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: out of a sci fi movie. No, he tried to 577 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: come and persuade Jesus and convince Jesus to doubt his 578 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: beliefs and his truths, and to doubt him himself and 579 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: his faith and what is good and what is powerful, 580 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: and to ultimately win him over with the superficial and 581 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: temporary things of this world. Because this is the Devil's world, 582 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: it says, this is he's the prince of this world 583 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: right now? Do you think when you look at the 584 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: world today, that the demons have been let loose and 585 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: that there is a lot of this type of realistic 586 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: activity going on that we're not looking at at little 587 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: monsters with horns and forked tongues and tails running around. No, 588 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: it's persuasion of one kind or another, and you have 589 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: to to be steadfast there. That's I think what the 590 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: devil really is. But you can come up with your 591 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: own opinion. You know that you can bind the devil 592 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: symbolically or devilish things. Uh you know. I have my 593 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: device on my website called the Bad Buster, and the 594 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: holidays are coming up, and I created a product which 595 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: I call the Crumpus Buster. It's the anti Crumpas doll. 596 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: And I'll talk more about this a little later, I'm sure, 597 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: But Crumpus is this demonic, monstrous figure that is the 598 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: opposite of Santa Claus. Santa Claus is old St. Nicholas. 599 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: He's supposed to show up and give you gifts if 600 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: you're good it. Crumpus instead shows up and he drags 601 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: you off intoes terrible things to you if you're bad. 602 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: And I created this is an original creation, a special 603 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: Crumpus doll that you ritualistically bind up and you put 604 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: away as the holidays are approaching. So you bind up 605 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: dark negative spirits around the holidays. Seriously, I don't have 606 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: many of these, but I'll get right now. You're getting 607 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: your heads up before I send out an you knows 608 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: letter about this. You'll get a big discount if you 609 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: go and look at this and you can get one 610 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: of these. Go to Crumpus buster dot com. K R. A. M. 611 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: P u s crumpus buster dot com and just look 612 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: at this thing and look at how cool and interesting 613 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: it is. But I'll be talking more about the Crumpus 614 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: on a future show, so I'm giving you a little 615 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: heads up before everybody else jumps on it. Crumpus buster 616 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, let's see if I can squeeze in 617 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: an email here from Jennifer in Owl, Michigan. This is 618 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: something that happened, she said, summer of two thousand seven. 619 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: I was sleeping over at my boyfriend Billy's house. When 620 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: we would go to bed, he'd always sleep by the 621 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: wall and I'd sleep on the outside. I awoke at 622 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: the door creaking as it opened. I laid there looking 623 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: at a very tall, dark figure standing in the doorway. 624 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: Billy started tapping me with his finger. The dark figure 625 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,240 Speaker 1: entered the room and gazed at us for a moment. 626 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: Suddenly it crouched down on all fours and started running 627 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: around the bed back and forth, growling and snarling. It 628 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: had shifted into something like a dog. This thing looked 629 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: blacker than the darkest shadows in the bedroom. I could 630 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: not believe what I was seeing, and my boyfriend was 631 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: tapping me faster now I was paralyzed with fear, so 632 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: all I could do was watched the creature on the floor. 633 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: It stopped at the foot of the bed, jumped up 634 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: and clamped its jaws on Billy's foot and yanked him 635 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: halfway off the bed. Billy sat up as the creature 636 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: backed into the darkest corner of the room and then disappeared. 637 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: Billy and I spoke about what had happened, and he 638 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: told me he could not move or talk when the 639 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,439 Speaker 1: creature touched him. He said he was trying to call 640 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: out to me, but no sound would come out. We 641 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: tried to sleep, and the next day we saw that 642 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: there were bruises around Billy's ankle. This incident baffles us 643 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: to this day. Billy thinks the creature was trying to 644 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,439 Speaker 1: steal his soul and jump into his body. Billy's mom 645 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: thinks it was a demon, the same demon that had 646 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: taken over her father when she was young. Her father 647 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: was a very evil man who had beaten the family 648 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: and mistreated the children. When she was a little girl, 649 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 1: her father was locked in the house as it burned 650 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: to the ground. I don't know what to make of this, 651 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 1: as I've had shadow figure encounters, but nothing violent like this. 652 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: I do know this thing was after something. Oh boy, 653 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: I can understand why it's something like that happens. You 654 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: would say, uh, yeah, this is some kind of a 655 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: soul steeler. This is something like this is a demonic 656 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: monster of some kind that is an incarnate creature here 657 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,879 Speaker 1: that has come to wreak havoc. I can understand that. Um, 658 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,720 Speaker 1: but maybe that's something different than a than an actual 659 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: demon that is there to sort of ultimately persuade you mentally. 660 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 1: We just don't know. I don't have the answer to everything, 661 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: and that's what I tell people from time to time. 662 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,280 Speaker 1: People ask me questions and I say, I'm an expert 663 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: on what we don't know. But I do know that 664 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: I believe in forces of good and evil and right 665 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: and wrong. And anybody who watches The Serial Killer and 666 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: True crime shows ought to know that. And that's why 667 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: it's important after you listen to this sort of dark 668 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: content and I'm sorry, you know, you have to face 669 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: it sometimes it's it's it's interesting. You have to know 670 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: what the problem is before you can solve it. That's 671 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: why it's important for you to increase your defenses and 672 00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:01,439 Speaker 1: to have positivity and to fill your mind with good 673 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: things and optimistic thoughts to combat a lot of a 674 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: lot of the darkness, and and don't take substances that 675 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: can can weaken you um and make you sick and 676 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 1: make you vulnerable. And in fact, a lot of people 677 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: take a glass of water when I I'm gonna play 678 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,320 Speaker 1: the good Fortune tone here for you? Will you? I 679 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: think you definitely needed after this, They take that glass 680 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: of water and they place it in front of the 681 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: speaker and they play the good Fortune tone at last 682 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: twenty seconds, and then later they drink that glass of 683 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,839 Speaker 1: water and say that they feel refreshed and re energized 684 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: and positive and strong, and that it really does something 685 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: great for them. So maybe you should try it. If 686 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,320 Speaker 1: if not, that's fine. Just kick back, relax, take a 687 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: deep breath, and listen to it. And I hope you've 688 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed this spooky show. But now it's time to cleanse everything. 689 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: So here you go enjoy the good Fortune Tone. That's 690 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: it for this edition of the show. Follow me on 691 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: Twitter at Joshua pe Warren. Plus visit Joshua pe warren 692 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 1: dot com to sign up for my free e newsletter 693 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: to receive a free instant gift and check out the 694 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: cool Stuff and the Curiosity Shop all at Joshua pe 695 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 1: Warren dot com. I have a fun one lined up 696 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: for you next time, I promise. So please tell all 697 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 1: your friends to subscribe to this show and to always 698 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: remember the Golden Rule. Thank you for listening, thank you 699 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,240 Speaker 1: for your interest in support, thank you for staying curious, 700 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: and I we'll talk to you again soon. You've been 701 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and 702 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a UM paranormal podcast network. Well, if 703 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: you like this episode of Strange Things, wait till you 704 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: hear the next one. Thank you for listening to the 705 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal 706 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: podcast network