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Speaker 1: Here we're all being said, Frank, what they started that
Speaker 1: they Saturdayday has to do with your quarterback in the
Speaker 1: Flex League. Actually, last season in seventeen, Cam Newton average
Speaker 1: eighteen rushing yards per game in his first five games
Speaker 1: of the season, sixty point four rushing yards per game
Speaker 1: over his final eleven. Overall, finished first in every rushing
Speaker 1: category for QB's last season, his seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: four rushing yards was a career high so you saw
Speaker 1: last year they were a little hesitant to let Cam
Speaker 1: Newton run loose and really, you know, let him do
Speaker 1: his thing. But after those first five games, they really
Speaker 1: just said, alright, Cam your thing, go out there, be
Speaker 1: who you are, and he took off and from there
Speaker 1: on out he ended up finishing as the top five quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I have him ranked at the top five quarterback
Speaker 1: right now as well. And they ultimately last year they
Speaker 1: kind of took the reins off him once they realized
Speaker 1: and deemed that he was healthy. This seems to me,
Speaker 1: Frank getting to Cam Newton, who is ranked as my
Speaker 1: fourth ranked quarterback. UM, this seems like the one year
Speaker 1: in in meanly a while that he's not banged up
Speaker 1: and bruised coming into the year. I mean, he's had
Speaker 1: some shoulder issues. I remember he had the car accident.
Speaker 1: He went deep into the playoffs previously. It's not the
Speaker 1: case right now, like he is totally totally healthy. The
Speaker 1: body feels good. He's still pretty young, under thirty years old.
Speaker 1: I recognize there's new offensive coordinator, the new quarterbacks coaches,
Speaker 1: the turners have come in here, but Cam is probably
Speaker 1: still gonna Cam and when he is healthy he finishes
Speaker 1: as a top of LEAs five quarterback every single year.
Speaker 1: I don't see how that changes this year. He's still
Speaker 1: gonna be the goal line beast. And I actually picked
Speaker 1: things from Canuton. Yeah, so I actually have him as
Speaker 1: my QB three. I moved him ahead of Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: as well. Um, and partially just look at what he
Speaker 1: did last year. He finishes the QB two last season.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the rushing yards. He still had six rushing
Speaker 1: touchdowns last season. Thinking about this, he only threw twenty
Speaker 1: two touchdowns last year. He now has the best weapons
Speaker 1: of his career. He did what he did last year.
Speaker 1: That was without Greg Olsen for a majority of the year.
Speaker 1: That was without d J. Moore, who they just drafted
Speaker 1: in the first round. So now you give Cam Newton
Speaker 1: the best weapons of his career. And there are question
Speaker 1: marks with the offensive line. Uh, there's some injuries there.
Speaker 1: We know that they lost. They lost a big piece
Speaker 1: the guy that went over to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Let
Speaker 1: me out here, Greg the offensive lineman. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's questions about the offensive line, but we've seen
Speaker 1: that with running quarterbacks that doesn't necessarily hurt all that much.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had a terrible offensive line last year, and
Speaker 1: while he had to run around more, that kind of
Speaker 1: led to more fantasy production. So I'm not really worried
Speaker 1: about that for Cam. I think he's in line for
Speaker 1: a big year. Al Right, So you said you moved
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson down a couple of pegs consensus, Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: is h B two everywhere else, Aaron Rodgers is your
Speaker 1: number one. Aaron Rodgers number my number one. I don't
Speaker 1: want to kind of dwell on that. He's both of
Speaker 1: our number ones. And then we get to number two.
Speaker 1: That's where I have Russell Wilson as most of the
Speaker 1: fantasy community. Frank, you have dropped them all the way
Speaker 1: down to number four. How come? Well, I am worried
Speaker 1: about this double Baldwin injury. Um, they say that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be ready for a week one, but you have
Speaker 1: you have to worry about that. I mean, look, he's
Speaker 1: not getting his repsin throughout training camp, and look he
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily need it. He's been with the team for
Speaker 1: a while. He has a rapport with Russell Wilson, and
Speaker 1: I was excited about Doug Baldwin in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: he was gonna see a career high in targets. But
Speaker 1: you take Jimmy Graham off this team as well. Now
Speaker 1: they have Nick Vanette, they have Ed Dixon, Tyler Lockett
Speaker 1: their deep threat. They're trying to talk up Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1: Now I worry a little bit about the weapons. I
Speaker 1: still do like Russell Wilson. It's not like I dropped him,
Speaker 1: you know, outside my top ten or anything crazy like that.
Speaker 1: I moved them down a few pegs. I just feel
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, those guys are as safe
Speaker 1: as they come. And and Cam Newton I think has
Speaker 1: a little bit more upside. Brian Schottenhimer offense worries me
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I just do think that when
Speaker 1: you're splitting hairs with these guys at the top, for
Speaker 1: those reasons, I drop him down a few pegs. I
Speaker 1: still do think he's an elite rushing quarterback. We know
Speaker 1: the floor that that brings every single year at least
Speaker 1: four fifty rushing yards in every season. Actually, at least
Speaker 1: four hudd and eighty nine rushing yards in five of
Speaker 1: six seasons played with the Seahawks. Um. The offensive line
Speaker 1: should be a little bit better. I just have some
Speaker 1: question marks with the weapons there. So so I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I have Russell Wilson UM
Speaker 1: ahead of Tom Brady was really there was a bit inconsistency,
Speaker 1: oddly enough from Tom Brady, specifically from week thirteen on.
Speaker 1: Let me let you know where he finished. Right against
Speaker 1: Buffalo in week thirteen he was twenty eight ranked quarterback.
Speaker 1: He had nine point three fantasy points. In Week fourteen
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, he had eleven point three fantasy points,
Speaker 1: finished twenty second that week. In Week fifteen against Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: fourteen point seven fantasy points that was good for again
Speaker 1: twenty second, and then in Week sixteen against Buffalo he
Speaker 1: finished in the top ten, number nine, with just sixteen
Speaker 1: point six fantasy points. I get why everybody loves Tom
Speaker 1: Brady because he's the goat, right, He's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks to ever do it and to ever live
Speaker 1: the The offense for the Patriots gets the red zone
Speaker 1: more than any offense in football, but he had more
Speaker 1: red zone attempts throwing the passing the ball, uh than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady last year. UM. Nobody had more attempts in
Speaker 1: general than Tom Brady last year. We had more passing
Speaker 1: yards and Tom Brady last year. I understand all of that,
Speaker 1: but how you ended what you did with Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: kind of described why I'm interested in him. They need
Speaker 1: improve their line this offseason for the run game. You
Speaker 1: asked the d J fluker. But they obviously also signed
Speaker 1: Wayne brand to the long term contract extension. They realized
Speaker 1: that this is by far the biggest weakness of this team.
Speaker 1: And yes, Doug Baldon being out hurt, but like there's
Speaker 1: this connection between Doug Baldwin and Russell Wilson over the
Speaker 1: past five seasons that I'm not exactly worried about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe he will will be back for Week one, maybe
Speaker 1: he will whatever, but I'm not I'm not worrying about
Speaker 1: that injury when it comes to Russell Wilson. And we
Speaker 1: keep hearing that Seattle wants to go back to the
Speaker 1: basics and back to what has worked in the past,
Speaker 1: and nobody's talking so much about running the ball like
Speaker 1: they used to. They're talking about the competition and that's
Speaker 1: what they want to get to on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. All about competition, say with the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the best player is going to play. The best player
Speaker 1: on this team for the last couple of years, regardless
Speaker 1: of any position, has been Russell Wilson, and that ability
Speaker 1: to rush for the four hundred and fifty yards he's
Speaker 1: going to every single year. To me, he makes up
Speaker 1: for the fact that they don't necessarily give the red
Speaker 1: zone as much as Tom Brady does his ability to
Speaker 1: rush for a touchdown. Yeah, Brady's gonna get you your
Speaker 1: your plunges from the one yard line, no doubt, but
Speaker 1: I think you can count on Russell Wilson to do
Speaker 1: that more. Um So, I'm definitely gonna have Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: at two. In fact, to me, it's closer to put
Speaker 1: Newton over Brady than it is Brady over Wilson. I
Speaker 1: didn't do it. I'm kind of gonna split the hairs there.
Speaker 1: Um So I have Wilson to Brady three and Newton four. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I respect everything that you said about Tom Brady, and
Speaker 1: people might have a salty taste in their mouth if
Speaker 1: they had him in fantasy last year. And look all
Speaker 1: the stats that you mentioned for him, the game by
Speaker 1: game of stats. They're all valid. But then look at
Speaker 1: what he did in the playoffs, right, Like, he's still
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Three thirty seven and three touchdowns against Tennessee's,
Speaker 1: nine and two against Jacksonville, five and five passing yards
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns against the Philadelphia Eagles. So I don't
Speaker 1: really have many question marks with Tom Brady for fancy
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm probably not gonna own any of
Speaker 1: these guys. But like if Cam Newton or Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: were to slip a little bit, like maybe I'll take
Speaker 1: a shot on those guys. But like Aaron Rodgers, where
Speaker 1: he's gonna go in most drafts fifth sixth round, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady sixth round as well, Like, probably not gonna end
Speaker 1: up with any of those guys regardless. Do you think
Speaker 1: the tier ends here because we both have the same
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks in some mored you so you were with me,
Speaker 1: that's here ends there? Yeah. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people have Deshaun Watson and that's here too. I don't,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that. But I don't have him
Speaker 1: in the top tier. I don't. I I'm feeling more
Speaker 1: confident on him. I don't have him in the top tier.
Speaker 1: Stone I am feeling more confident on him. And in
Speaker 1: reference to where you're taking quarterbacks, you put up a
Speaker 1: really interesting poll about basically, what's your strategy with the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Do you take one of these top tiers? Do you
Speaker 1: take Andrew Luck who? I actually didn't like that part
Speaker 1: of the poll, and a lot of thing I explained
Speaker 1: to that in a bit um, do you take a
Speaker 1: middle round guy or do you take or you wait? Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: and every fantasy expert and every fantasy analyst is going
Speaker 1: to tell you to wait, wait, wait, hell. In that poll,
Speaker 1: I voted for wait, wait, wait. But and maybe it's
Speaker 1: just because we're in these quote expert drafts or high
Speaker 1: stakes leagues draft but you only wait to a certain point,
Speaker 1: like there's going to be value there and that's why,
Speaker 1: or flex league like I drafted Cam Newton, was the
Speaker 1: seventh round where I had basically my entire story lineup
Speaker 1: was filled outside of my tight end and my quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like every position was filled outside of my tight end
Speaker 1: and my quarterback. So that's point like I had felt
Speaker 1: like I waited enough and still somebody in my top
Speaker 1: tier was there. So I understand why you're waiting for
Speaker 1: a Stafford or Rivers guys are gonna get to throughout
Speaker 1: the show. If there's value there to be had, I'm
Speaker 1: going to grab it. Like there's going to be that
Speaker 1: point to me where if Aaron Rodgers still on the board,
Speaker 1: I don't care that he's a quarterback. The heat has
Speaker 1: gone that not hate for him, the hate for the
Speaker 1: position just goes too far, and I'm gonna grab it.
Speaker 1: And we saw that in the seventh round of our
Speaker 1: draft over the weekend, where I felt like we had
Speaker 1: hit that part and that's why I wanted Cam Newton
Speaker 1: in the seventh round. Yeah, and I actually really like
Speaker 1: that pick. I no problem with taking him there in
Speaker 1: the seventh round. I think that's great value. Uh. The
Speaker 1: reason why I couldn't do that, and again it's roster construction,
Speaker 1: how you start your draft. I started my draft with
Speaker 1: three running backs, so from there on out, I was
Speaker 1: kind of playing catch up on the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: So I was just loading up on wide receiver wide
Speaker 1: receiver on all the picks after that, hopefully trying to
Speaker 1: find like one of those mid round diamonds in the rough,
Speaker 1: one of these guys that could break out. I ended
Speaker 1: up with like Josh Gordon Randall, Cobb. So so you
Speaker 1: have draft up. Now you rand up with Josh Gordon
Speaker 1: in the fifth, you took carry on Johnthan who I
Speaker 1: really liked in the sixth, um, and then we get
Speaker 1: to the seventh and you had I guess, only two
Speaker 1: wide receivers at the time in four running backs, which
Speaker 1: is a story line up. I mean, you have your
Speaker 1: story line up. We need three in this league. Um,
Speaker 1: so you're one wide receiver away from from your story lineup.
Speaker 1: Essentially to me, like knowing exactly what you had said
Speaker 1: that draft ing that flover is gonna take Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: on the turn, which he did, and you're you really
Speaker 1: like Andrew Luck. I might have went with Luck there.
Speaker 1: I'm not a really big Randall Cob guy, for instance,
Speaker 1: I might have taken Luck there. That's that's all I
Speaker 1: have to say about that. Yeah, So the way I
Speaker 1: have it ranked, I have Andrew Luck is my QB five.
Speaker 1: I have Big Band is my QB six. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are not that aggressive on Big Ben. But
Speaker 1: for me to get Ben Roethlisberger as late as I
Speaker 1: did and impair him with an upside guy and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. So I have Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck ranked as my sixth rank quarterback. I could be
Speaker 1: talking into moving him to five before we continue our
Speaker 1: rankings to get to the next year. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you at eight four four, eight four, three
Speaker 1: six eight seven nine. I want to go to Mike
Speaker 1: in Philly. What's up, Mike? Hey? Are you guys doing
Speaker 1: to day? Doing great? Man? What's going on? Hey? Are
Speaker 1: you guys high on Mari Cooper this year? Frank is
Speaker 1: much higher than I am on Mark Cooper, and Florida
Speaker 1: was the highest out of all of us. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: I drafted him as my wide receiver one in that
Speaker 1: draft in the fourth round. Mind you, this was a
Speaker 1: non PPR draft. I think where he's going is adequate.
Speaker 1: Right like last year, he was an early to mid
Speaker 1: second round pick that might have been a little bit
Speaker 1: too high, but you just look at the pedigree, the
Speaker 1: background of John Gruden. Every year he's been a head coach,
Speaker 1: he's had a one thousand yard receive. Everything that we've
Speaker 1: heard U until this point is that they're going to
Speaker 1: put Amari Cooper in the position to be this team's
Speaker 1: wide receiver one, to be the top target in order
Speaker 1: to succeed They're gonna move him all around the formation.
Speaker 1: They're not just gonna keep him on the outside. I
Speaker 1: know that's something Michael Florio spoke a lot about, and
Speaker 1: that they're gonna move him before the play starts a
Speaker 1: lot to get him moved off of the team's opposing
Speaker 1: number one cornerback. And that's big because he plays in
Speaker 1: a division where he's gonna see Casey Hayward, where he's
Speaker 1: gonna see the Broncos corners as well. So, um, that's
Speaker 1: important for him. I think where he's going, maybe that
Speaker 1: three four swing, I think that's adequate value. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: like a steel I don't I think it's adequate. Let
Speaker 1: to be fair, when you said those Broncos cornerbacks obviously
Speaker 1: not what they want, were Radley Roby the other starting
Speaker 1: to other starting quarterback right now for the Brackos, Like
Speaker 1: one more call before we hit the break. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Shawn in New York. What's up Sean? Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: and I called yesterday running backs in my sixteen team
Speaker 1: standard league. Um, I'm gonna call it today about you know,
Speaker 1: maybe some mid round receivers that I could start at,
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver three, maybe even two. I didn't
Speaker 1: know if you guys had any players on your mind,
Speaker 1: maybe I could plug and start on draft night rank
Speaker 1: so some mid round wide receivers. Look, I I waited
Speaker 1: on some of these guys. So just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea of who I ended up with. Like, I
Speaker 1: got Josh Gordon in the fifth round. That's the twelve
Speaker 1: team league. He's dropping a little bit. It is a
Speaker 1: risky play, but there is some upside there. And then again,
Speaker 1: guys like Randall Cobb right around here, I would say
Speaker 1: it's like the late twenties, early thirties in my rankings.
Speaker 1: Michael Crabtree, Randall Cobb, Jamison Crowder, Emmanuel Sanders, who I
Speaker 1: feel like is being disrespected a little bit in drafts
Speaker 1: right now. Uh, some later guys, Robby Anderson, Mark He's Goodwin,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Robert Woods. I think those are all you know,
Speaker 1: solid wide receivers. You know, high end wide receiver threes
Speaker 1: who have a little bit more upside, who are slipping
Speaker 1: in drafts right now for whatever reason. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about these guys, but I still do like them. Couple
Speaker 1: of those guys I like in that same section, Robby Anderson,
Speaker 1: Devin Funcis, Markey's goodwin. A little bit later on Nelson
Speaker 1: Aghilor and Cooper Cup all guys in that middle round
Speaker 1: wide receivers that I really really like this. Yeah, Mike
Speaker 1: Williams from l A two, I'm starting to warm up.
Speaker 1: I just rose him on my draft ward this morning. Actually,
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Speaker 1: quarterback rankings, your tears, your debates and your sleepers were
Speaker 1: doing this all week long, certainly not with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but that is where we begin. Frankie. You you mentioned
Speaker 1: you have Andrew Luck at number five. I have Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck ranked at number six. We have both bought in
Speaker 1: that he's back. He's healthy, uh, and he looks good.
Speaker 1: And I read a lot about Andrew Luck actually this morning,
Speaker 1: and I was reading how it's amazing though the guy
Speaker 1: playing his first game and seemingly two years picked up
Speaker 1: Frank's Frank Rice's offense pretty easily in game one. And
Speaker 1: I know there was not you're not like a game planning,
Speaker 1: but he looked good in that first preseason game, and
Speaker 1: you're completely buying that he's back. That's why he's number five,
Speaker 1: because he still has a potential to finish his QB one. Overall,
Speaker 1: you're getting at the fifth spot, and in the expert draft,
Speaker 1: he's going you know, around seven round eight, which is
Speaker 1: I think to really tremendous value. Um you mentioned before
Speaker 1: as I gotta move away from Andrew Luck, and I
Speaker 1: know we talked a lot about him. Unless you done
Speaker 1: you want to add with him? No, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think we've laid it all out there. The fact that
Speaker 1: I haven't at qube five, I think just speaks volumes
Speaker 1: how I feel about him. And I have him at
Speaker 1: six because I do have Deshaun Watson ranked at number five?
Speaker 1: Where do you have Watson? I haven't one spot behind.
Speaker 1: I have two spots behind Andrew Luck haven't at seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: so do you have another quarterback that's then Roethlisberger. You
Speaker 1: said it's in there. We'll get to him in a second,
Speaker 1: to um, but I have I have Watson at five,
Speaker 1: And the more I've read about him, the more comfortable
Speaker 1: an that he's healthy, like, he's fine, he's not wearing
Speaker 1: a brace, he's moving around like normal. And I get
Speaker 1: all the negatives when it comes to de Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: right that, like the touchdown rate is simply not sustainable
Speaker 1: what he did last year, that he just cannot do
Speaker 1: it again. That's fine, But if he does, you want
Speaker 1: to own the Shaun Watson essentially right, like this is
Speaker 1: literally what you're banking on that he doesn't do it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, just natural regression. I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: And look, he was more prone to throwing interceptions in college.
Speaker 1: Who I get seven interceptions? His final year at Clemson.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's gonna factor itself into as well. Again,
Speaker 1: his rushing floor is going to help hancel out some
Speaker 1: of those interceptions. I just I worry about the offensive
Speaker 1: line there too. I think it's absolutely brutal. We've seen
Speaker 1: how some guys that can help Russell Wilson, the mobile quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but especially a guy coming off a torn a c L.
Speaker 1: Remember the Shaun Watson house now torn a c LS
Speaker 1: in both of his knees dating back to college. And
Speaker 1: you talk about a guy who's mobile, a rushing quarterback
Speaker 1: with a bad offensive line, Like, there's a chance that
Speaker 1: this guy and end up getting killed this year on
Speaker 1: the field because of you know, just the lack of
Speaker 1: protection there. So I worry about that. Look, he still
Speaker 1: has DeAndre Hopkins, he has Will Fuller, he has two
Speaker 1: great wide receivers. The running game is a little you know,
Speaker 1: if he Lamar Miller, that's not your guy, Greg. So look,
Speaker 1: I just I don't trust that he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to come close to what he did again last year.
Speaker 1: If you want to take him, that's fine. I think
Speaker 1: I just rank him honestly, I just ranked him this
Speaker 1: high because this is where he's gonna go and draft.
Speaker 1: I will never take him where he's gonna go and draft.
Speaker 1: You just drop him like I have Lamar Miller. I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna take him. I don't feel comfortable dropping him
Speaker 1: behind guys like my QB eight is Drew Brees Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: like he probably realistically has more upside than those guys.
Speaker 1: I think he has a lower floor as well, like
Speaker 1: those guys. I feel much safer about the floor there.
Speaker 1: I will admit that his upside is higher than those
Speaker 1: guys Big Bene have ranked higher because I just think
Speaker 1: here in a year out, he's consistent and he has
Speaker 1: better weapons this year than ever before. To like they
Speaker 1: just keep adding do they added James Washington, who they're
Speaker 1: talking up in camps. They still have Juju, Like Juju
Speaker 1: is better than Mark Tavis Bryant than a year ago,
Speaker 1: and he's going to see more targets like he was
Speaker 1: incredibly efficient last year. Still has Antonio Brown, still has
Speaker 1: Levan Bell, has Vance McDonald, has Jesse James, Like the
Speaker 1: guy has weapons up the wazoo. He's finished QB eight
Speaker 1: in points per game three years in a row, and
Speaker 1: I think he has the upside to be better than
Speaker 1: than that. So I have Big Ben rank QB six.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you have to draft him ahead of
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. That's just personally, I'm gonna wait and then
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take Big Ben because I like that
Speaker 1: value more so. That's why I haven't ranked that way.
Speaker 1: So you're not for what reason, I guess, Like people
Speaker 1: have come out against Ben pretty hardcore in the past
Speaker 1: for the home and road splits. They were better last year,
Speaker 1: significantly better. He had sixteen touchdowns at home, op posted
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns on the road. So it wasn't a big difference.
Speaker 1: What about yards per game? What about yards per game?
Speaker 1: It wasn't in total yards whatever you have. It wasn't much.
Speaker 1: I could pull it up for you. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: drastic by any means. No, Like he was much more
Speaker 1: consistent weekend and week out. If you like him better
Speaker 1: as like your best ball quarterback, I understand that completely.
Speaker 1: But again, like the way I drafted in flex, I
Speaker 1: drafted Big Ben and then a few rounds later I
Speaker 1: got Patrick Mahomes, Like I love taking that veteran and
Speaker 1: then taking that upside shot, Like what what do you
Speaker 1: have to lose. You have the safe floor in my
Speaker 1: opinion of a big ben and then you have that
Speaker 1: breakout ability from a Patrick Mahomes. Like, look at the
Speaker 1: weapons that Patrick Mahomes has. There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of turnovers, but I mean, he has great weapons and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to rustle ball with his legs
Speaker 1: as well. So so Patrick Mahomes is ware for you.
Speaker 1: I have Patrick Mahomes eleven. Yeah, so I have Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes fifteen. I'm concerned about the turnovers there. And I know, um,
Speaker 1: he's got this monstrous arm and I think people are
Speaker 1: really really excited about both him, uh and Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Garppolo a second. But
Speaker 1: I do feel like we've kind of come in too
Speaker 1: hot with Mahomes a bit. And I understand you drafted Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: you drafted Mahomes, two guys that are in your top
Speaker 1: twelve at the quarterback position, but neither guy that I'm
Speaker 1: ultimately confident on. Yes, you want to hit on both,
Speaker 1: but Roethlisberger and the Steelers do tend to go in
Speaker 1: a shell on the road that they don't put up
Speaker 1: those monstrous numbers that they do. Um at home, I
Speaker 1: know we're looking at the quarterback, and we're looking at
Speaker 1: the weapons, and you see what the Steelers have and
Speaker 1: you see what the Chiefs have, and there's all of
Speaker 1: these different weapons, and you want to believe in the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So I do understand that, Um, but I think have
Speaker 1: a quarterback spot. I kind of just want consistency. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's I don't wannestly laziness in my part, but
Speaker 1: I want to make it easy for myself. And we
Speaker 1: have so many decisions on a Sunday morning that I
Speaker 1: like the fact that I could just plug in a
Speaker 1: dude and forget about it. And I think there's something
Speaker 1: to be said for that. Yeah, that's fair. Um, that's
Speaker 1: why you know you drafted Cam Newton. You're gonna you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have to worry about that. I didn't draft
Speaker 1: the second quarterback. If that's the way that you want
Speaker 1: to play fantasy football, you don't want to worry about
Speaker 1: like choosing your quarterback, because it can be annoying at times.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I mean, I mentioned I won
Speaker 1: two leagues last year, just kind of like rotting the matchups.
Speaker 1: One league, it was big Ben and Blake Bortles. The
Speaker 1: other league, I had case Keenum and Jameis Winston once
Speaker 1: he returned from injury. So you can win with just
Speaker 1: playing the matchup matchups at the quarterback position, Greg. Last
Speaker 1: year there was only uh, there was less than a
Speaker 1: two hundred yard difference between big Ben's total home passing
Speaker 1: yards and his road passing yards and sixteen at home
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirty five on the road, So he
Speaker 1: was he was much more consistent last year than people realize.
Speaker 1: And you know, look, people talk about Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers. Oh,
Speaker 1: these guys are so underappreciated for fantasy purposes. They're compilers.
Speaker 1: If you look at the end of the season, Yes,
Speaker 1: they might finish as a top ten, you know, top
Speaker 1: eight quarterback that year. But I've been looking at points
Speaker 1: per game, Greg, and that's gonna give you a better
Speaker 1: indicator of what they do on a weekend make out basis.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about consistency. While Philip Rivers and
Speaker 1: Stafford have they compiled the numbers their points per game,
Speaker 1: They finished outside the top twelve quite consistently. So you're
Speaker 1: saying that they are bus candidates for you this year.
Speaker 1: They're not bus candidates, But like I understand more so
Speaker 1: why they're being drafted where they are. If you want
Speaker 1: to take one of Rivers and Stafford, like I've been saying,
Speaker 1: and pair them with a Jimmy Garoppolo and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: to me, that makes more sense because you have that,
Speaker 1: you have that upside of one of those guys flops. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you still have that safe floor of a Stafford
Speaker 1: or Philip Rivers that you can fall back on and
Speaker 1: play the matchups. But last year I drafted, I drafted
Speaker 1: Stafford as my quarterback in one league, and I think
Speaker 1: three or four weeks into the season, I dropped him
Speaker 1: and I ended up picking Deshaun Watson up. Like, that's
Speaker 1: gonna probably happen more often than not. If you draft
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks who are not runners, guys who are gonna
Speaker 1: turn the ball over for a decent amount like Stafford
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, you're gonna end up wanting to find a
Speaker 1: quarterback with better upside. Anyway, You're gonna end up picking
Speaker 1: up a quarterback who is playing against you know, the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills this week or whatever other you know defense
Speaker 1: you wanna focus on attacking that week. Remember we were
Speaker 1: doing that weekend a week out last year, there was
Speaker 1: one week where I had Jared Goff ranked higher than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and you killed me for I think it
Speaker 1: was against the Giants. I did, and Jared Goff finished
Speaker 1: with more Fantasy points. Did And I picked up Jared
Speaker 1: Goff that week everywhere and I started him. And it
Speaker 1: seems like once the season starts more often than that not,
Speaker 1: that's how we end up playing the game is we're
Speaker 1: gonna pick up a quarterback and stream him against the
Speaker 1: best matchup. So why don't you just do that right
Speaker 1: away in the draft? You take like that safe quarterback
Speaker 1: if you want them, and then you take that upside shot.
Speaker 1: Because the reason I'll do it in a draft is
Speaker 1: because those two guys may not out anything right like that.
Speaker 1: That Patrick Mahomes pick maybe brutal. I mean he may
Speaker 1: he just for whatever reason may not be very be fair.
Speaker 1: He was my second to last pick in the draft. Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not killing you for it. But you're asked me
Speaker 1: why I wouldn't do that? Why take a guy if
Speaker 1: the value is there? Again, I'm not spending up for
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I'm not but when he's sitting there in
Speaker 1: the seventh and eighth round, like, that's when I you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: that's what I'd like to go at my quarterback. Yes,
Speaker 1: I could keep hiling on running backs, wide receivers, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I do, But as I look at my rankings,
Speaker 1: which I have right now, I really really would prefer
Speaker 1: one of my top seven quarterbacks. And I'm including Drew
Speaker 1: Brees in that, Like, I really would prefer to get
Speaker 1: one of those seven. But even and then is going
Speaker 1: later than he ever has, so I don't really have
Speaker 1: a problem with that, right And so for me, like
Speaker 1: I have this tier and it goes from eight to fifteen,
Speaker 1: and if I don't get the next day, I don't
Speaker 1: wanna do that. But like I have this tier of
Speaker 1: eight for fifteen with Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford from me, Roethlisberger, Um,
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan and then you have Jimmy g
Speaker 1: and Patty My Homes in that. Right, there's those seven
Speaker 1: dudes are in this tier, and I'm to me, they're
Speaker 1: very interchangeable, Like I'm all going for the same price.
Speaker 1: I think they I don't really care which one I
Speaker 1: get if I don't wind out with one of my
Speaker 1: top seven, I will literally be the last one to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback because I really don't care. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to differentiate those guys. Like, maybe you can
Speaker 1: help me, but out of those guys, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, not Ryan, and then Jimmy Gene,
Speaker 1: Hattrick Mahomes are more of the high upside plays. Of course,
Speaker 1: how do you differentiate those guys? I think so For me.
Speaker 1: The reason I have Mahomes and I have Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: and I even have Mariota ranked higher than guys like Rivers, Stafford,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is because again, I want to take shots
Speaker 1: on those upside plays. Like like you said, if you're
Speaker 1: just gonna wait till one of the last rounds, you're
Speaker 1: probably just gonna take a shot on an upside quarterback.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna take a boring Rivers Stafford? Like I mentioned, yes,
Speaker 1: you might, you might. You might just want to. The
Speaker 1: past three years, Rivers in points per game, QB twelve,
Speaker 1: QB eight teen, QB six team. That's not what we
Speaker 1: hear lately. What we've heard is, oh, every year Rivers
Speaker 1: finishes the top twelve, top ten quarterback because he's a compiler,
Speaker 1: but on a point per game basis like QB eighteen
Speaker 1: QB sixteen, Are you satisfied with that? Last year there
Speaker 1: were guys that we knew had the upside to break out,
Speaker 1: like a Carson wentz uh we didn't know at the
Speaker 1: time DeShawn Watson. But there are upside quarterback why not
Speaker 1: take That's my whole thing this year is every year
Speaker 1: there are quarterbacks that end up inside the top ten
Speaker 1: that we didn't expect. Who are they're more of upside guys.
Speaker 1: They're not like the Philip Rivers, They're not like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: Why not take shots on those guys? And that's why
Speaker 1: I have, ultimately Patrick Mahomes, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mariota ranked higher
Speaker 1: than some of these other guys because I do think
Speaker 1: they have upside, more upside than these others, and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna end up pairing them together. Stafford the last
Speaker 1: three years QUB ten in points per game, QB eleven
Speaker 1: and points per game, QB fourteen and points per game, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but don't you want to try and find
Speaker 1: the next Carson Wentz, the next Deshaun Watson, one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. Instead. To me, when you take a Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Garoppolo, or a Marcus Mariota, I think you
Speaker 1: give yourself a better shot of finding that next upside
Speaker 1: quarterback rather than just wasting a pick on one of
Speaker 1: these compiling quarterbacks. And maybe it's because I think they're
Speaker 1: going so late, but like I really, I have really
Speaker 1: happened to like Marcus Mariota and Dak Prescott. I know
Speaker 1: we mentioned this. I think those both those two guys
Speaker 1: are exactly the category that you're talking about, and maybe
Speaker 1: they belong closer to Patrick Mahoways and closer to Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo because I think those two guys really at the
Speaker 1: potential to finish the top ten quarterbacks. I think that
Speaker 1: we in a new offense from Mariota and getting Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott back and des Bryant and Jason wentten out for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, I think this helps both of them and
Speaker 1: I think both have a chance to be dynamic. And
Speaker 1: I know two years ago Mariota had this picture perfect
Speaker 1: schedule and and was great with it, and then two
Speaker 1: years ago, Dak Prescott firsted onto the scene, scored six
Speaker 1: touchdowns on the ground, then followed up scoring other six
Speaker 1: touchdowns on the ground in a year later. It was
Speaker 1: just the accuracy and the passing, which you question. Mark
Speaker 1: is both of these guys, but they both use their
Speaker 1: legs and if they could just you know, honesty, get
Speaker 1: better as a quarterback. I think you're going to be
Speaker 1: wanting them and they're not costing anything right now. They
Speaker 1: are after that mid to your group, So maybe you're right, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe for me it's not the Patrick Mahomes, Maybe it's
Speaker 1: me taking a Roethlisberger and one of those guys, like
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I want to the only thing
Speaker 1: I could say, and I dealt with this last year
Speaker 1: and it cost me. I'm not saying I was right
Speaker 1: by this, but I really really enjoy the plugging in
Speaker 1: a quarter just picking and plugging in and forgetting about
Speaker 1: the quarterback, not wasting family quarterbacks, not having to worry.
Speaker 1: The only way that works is if you get an
Speaker 1: elite quarterback, doesn't it Yestely absolutely Otherwise you're sitting there
Speaker 1: and you're just like I will see and this year
Speaker 1: I think deeper and only before before you get into it,
Speaker 1: like I did with Kirk Cousins, Like I had Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins last year, and I started a week in and
Speaker 1: week out, and even there were many times I sat
Speaker 1: here and you and Mike are just like, dude, like
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is fine, but like Jared Goff is better
Speaker 1: this week, Like just pick up Jared Goff and stubborn
Speaker 1: Land Like no, I'm gonna just stick with our Cousins
Speaker 1: and gop outperformed him. But how did it work? That's
Speaker 1: the thing. How did it work overall on a weekend,
Speaker 1: week out basis on the championship in that league. But
Speaker 1: we can saw use Kirk Cousins as an example just
Speaker 1: because that was the one I brought up and that
Speaker 1: was the one I actually started so last week last year.
Speaker 1: Rather Kirk Cousins finishes a top twelve quarterback, we're saying, right, one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 1: six thousands finished as QB eight points per game last year,
Speaker 1: you'll be sixty year before and QB twelve, so very consistent. Pod.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was gonna say, I think this
Speaker 1: year more so than ever, while we have that top
Speaker 1: four group as the elite, I would say it goes
Speaker 1: about eight or nine quarterbacks who I think you can
Speaker 1: you can plug in and forget. And that goes about
Speaker 1: Drew Brees her cousins. If you want to put to
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson in that category, because I do have him
Speaker 1: rank QB seven, you put him in that category, Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and Big Ben. For me, big Ben is one
Speaker 1: of those guys I'm not gonna bend there. But Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're so you think, and maybe I have to
Speaker 1: reevaluate my tears. You think there's nine guys that you
Speaker 1: feel are plug and play guys. Everybody else is either
Speaker 1: a lottery ticket but a guy that could really perform
Speaker 1: well in surprise people and a guy that is just
Speaker 1: you know, fine. Is that next year for you? I
Speaker 1: guess I think that's fair to say. I still have
Speaker 1: I have go Roppolo, Mahomes and Mariotta still inside the
Speaker 1: same tier, but I guess they don't really fit that
Speaker 1: criteria in terms of because if I draft Jimmy g
Speaker 1: or Mahomes, like, I'm going to have another quarterback and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up playing the matchups again what I
Speaker 1: did last year. You just while it takes up two
Speaker 1: roster spots. You just play the matchups each week with
Speaker 1: one of these guys her cousins. Look, you know the
Speaker 1: weapons that are there. I think he is one of
Speaker 1: the safest quarterbacks what he's been the past couple of
Speaker 1: years with Washington, and to come over to Minnesota, I
Speaker 1: think Drew Brees is gonna bounce back with some positive
Speaker 1: touchdown regression as well. The reason I set up the
Speaker 1: poll the way it is, Greg is because I think
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck is kind of the break between tears, and
Speaker 1: that's what I have for me is it's the top four,
Speaker 1: it's Andrew Luck and as QB five, who I think
Speaker 1: he's just kind of like in a league of his
Speaker 1: own because there is risk involved, but there is definite upside.
Speaker 1: If I draft him, I do want an insurance quarterback
Speaker 1: behind him, and then it's kind of like those mid
Speaker 1: tier quarterbacks are Roethlisberger, Breeze, Kirk Cousins. So I think
Speaker 1: you can plug in and forget, and then you get
Speaker 1: into that whole group of upside versus compiling veterans like
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers. So the reason I had an
Speaker 1: issue with your poll essentially was because you wrote Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: and to me, like I have Luck, Breeze and Watson
Speaker 1: for me as guys that are in this uppert here
Speaker 1: kind of what you're describing. But wouldn't you say that
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck is a little bit better than those guys though,
Speaker 1: Like the only reason why he's not in that first
Speaker 1: tier is because he's coming off injury, definitely, But he
Speaker 1: to me, he's like his own tier. You know, he's
Speaker 1: that guy in the middle round. So I don't think so, because, yes,
Speaker 1: because Luck is coming off injury and that's a it
Speaker 1: was a major major and listen, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he may get weak and then not play again. And
Speaker 1: I understand that we are all super possible and Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's my six right quarterback. And I'm
Speaker 1: fine making a fifth whatever. But I think Shawn Watson
Speaker 1: belongs there given what he did his rookie year and
Speaker 1: he's now healthy, same thing, and I know normal regression
Speaker 1: is coming. That's fine. And I think Drew Brees belongs
Speaker 1: in that tire as well, because it was one down
Speaker 1: here for Breeze one year, right, crazy saying that, No, No,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely he was one year for reason. But the
Speaker 1: defense is still really good, definitely, but we think positive
Speaker 1: regression comes his way. I think he's fine, But the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think he gets back to thirty
Speaker 1: plus touchdowns throwing for all these yards. I think I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get back to being serviceable like last
Speaker 1: year twenty three touchdowns. That's a fluke based on you
Speaker 1: know how many passing yards he had. He led the
Speaker 1: league in completion percentage. He's gonna throw for more touchdowns
Speaker 1: this year, absolutely right, But the question is how many more?
Speaker 1: Like I could see him in nine range, which will
Speaker 1: make him a solid weekend and week out starter, but
Speaker 1: he's not getting back into that elite category for me.
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Speaker 1: That it's Fantasy Factor dot com. Frankie, we've touched on
Speaker 1: really the top fifteen were so quarterbacks? Is there any
Speaker 1: one of those guys before we've gone that you kind
Speaker 1: of want to expand on? I think the love for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Patrick Mahomes. I actually just moved Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: ahead of Patrick Mahomes, and if I could go back
Speaker 1: and take him ahead of Mahomes this past weekend, I
Speaker 1: would do it. I do think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about Jimmy Garoppolo. Look the second season playing
Speaker 1: under Kyle Shanahan in his offense. We swaw what Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan could do. And I'm not saying that Jimmy G
Speaker 1: is going to be an m VP candidate, but sixties
Speaker 1: seven point four percent completion percentage last year eight point
Speaker 1: eight yards per attempt. To put that in perspective, Drew
Speaker 1: Brees led the league last season with eight point one
Speaker 1: yards per attempt. Jimmy Garoppolo average hundred and sixty passing
Speaker 1: yards per game. He was the QB six from weeks
Speaker 1: thirteen through seventeen. That's big time for Jimmy G. He
Speaker 1: helped some people win, winning the playoffs last year, win championships,
Speaker 1: and that was with him really stalling in the red
Speaker 1: zone and kind of learning on the fly. He only
Speaker 1: had seven touchdowns in five games. He's going to be
Speaker 1: better than that. So I think given the offensive line
Speaker 1: that they have there and approved being offensive line, they
Speaker 1: drafted Matt McGlinchey, they signed center western richburg Um, they
Speaker 1: get Pierre Garson back as well. I think there's I
Speaker 1: understand the love for Jimmy Garoppolo. I have him ranked
Speaker 1: as my tenth quarterback, and I wouldn't mind if you
Speaker 1: came out of the draft with only him as your quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think you could do a lot worse. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I have Jimmy Garoppolo ranked as my twelfth rank quarterback,
Speaker 1: and I feel the same way like if I come
Speaker 1: out with just Jimmy G. I'm all right with that,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually going on the other side of you
Speaker 1: and that. I actually thought the love for Jimmy G
Speaker 1: would be even higher during draft season, like when at
Speaker 1: the end of last year, when everyone was sweating this dude,
Speaker 1: like people were talking about how he was a top five,
Speaker 1: top six, top seven quarterback going into this year. And
Speaker 1: as people calm down and we got far away from
Speaker 1: last December, everything settled in and Jimmy Garoppolo, I don't
Speaker 1: know where he's average ranked, but everyone's kind of having
Speaker 1: where you and I do in between ten and twelve. Now,
Speaker 1: then this has Adventure's Boy, and I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he's drafted him this year, but Jimmy Garoppolo is
Speaker 1: somebody that he's not a rookie. In just a few
Speaker 1: practices came on, it was finished as a top five
Speaker 1: quarterback all of those weeks, number six, whatever you said,
Speaker 1: and given a full season as a starting quarterback, given
Speaker 1: a full season practicing as a starting quarterback training camp
Speaker 1: with all of these guys. I think he's I think
Speaker 1: this guy is a limit man. Like, would it be
Speaker 1: surprised to me if he finishes in that Andrew Luxx
Speaker 1: you breest here, absolutely not, Like, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that is not costing you anything at all. He went
Speaker 1: after Patrick Mahomes in our flex draft. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that I think you're getting now, very very late
Speaker 1: that absolutely, maybe even more so than Mariota and a
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, has the ability to finish the top five
Speaker 1: six quarterback. Yeah. I think that was more so reflected
Speaker 1: in us playing in an experts draft that he got
Speaker 1: pushed down the board because according to Fantasy Pros ADP
Speaker 1: he's still going pick ninety. Okay, so that's a little high.
Speaker 1: He's uh, and he's going as the tenth quarterback off
Speaker 1: the board. I have no problem with him being the
Speaker 1: tenth quarterback. Me personally, I would take Ben Roethlisberger over him, who,
Speaker 1: according to Fantasy Pros is going behind Jimmy Garoppolo. But
Speaker 1: picked nine, Uh, that's more so, and like what the eighth,
Speaker 1: ninth round, that's probably where he's gonna go. More so
Speaker 1: in home leagues. But if you end up taking to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo in that round and then a couple of
Speaker 1: rounds later, just back him up with like a Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan or something like that. Play the match ups with
Speaker 1: those guys. I'm just gonna keep hammering home that strategy.
Speaker 1: If you don't take an elite quarterback, which you're on
Speaker 1: record saying you want to do, and I have no
Speaker 1: problem doing that. If you don't get Andrew Luck as well,
Speaker 1: just take high upside and take a veteran and kind
Speaker 1: of just play the matchups and look if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, if Matt Ryan starts a year and he sucks,
Speaker 1: you drop him and hopefully pick up another quarterback. Maybe
Speaker 1: you find the Alex Smith from last year, or you
Speaker 1: know the Deshaun Watson. You just randomly pick up a
Speaker 1: rookie maybe you know Sam Donald or someone like that
Speaker 1: ends up breaking out, you don't know. So that's why,
Speaker 1: if you're not investing much in the quarterback position, you're
Speaker 1: take an upside guy and then you wait and then
Speaker 1: you just back him up with a veteran. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I like to do, all right. So the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that we have not mentioned yet um. As we go
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Speaker 1: Frank the tank Um Roethlisberger, we got a new rivers
Speaker 1: Um Mattie Ice, you you said kind of boring like
Speaker 1: Matt Ride. Do you do you think that he takes
Speaker 1: a step back, some positive regression for him year to
Speaker 1: inderste scarccasion. Yeah, I look, I think he'll be better
Speaker 1: than he was last year. You know, I was not
Speaker 1: a Matt Ryan guy last year, just because I think
Speaker 1: the price you had to pay for him, you were
Speaker 1: paying for his m v P caliber season. And if
Speaker 1: you look at Matt Ryan in his career, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of up and down. One year very good, one
Speaker 1: year very bad. I don't think he ever gets back
Speaker 1: to that m v P form that we saw. I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of an outlier season for him. Would
Speaker 1: it surprised me if he bounced back and you know,
Speaker 1: snuck his way back outside the top twelve throwing for
Speaker 1: you know, thirty touchdowns with in the fifteen interception, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. But I don't think that he has
Speaker 1: that immense upside that we saw from a few years ago.
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons defense is a lot better. I
Speaker 1: do think this team is going to get back to
Speaker 1: running the football a ton of this season. So if
Speaker 1: you look at his care were he typically lives in
Speaker 1: that eight touchdown range. I just don't think he has
Speaker 1: that much upside. I have him ranked as my QB
Speaker 1: seventeen right now. He's right behind Rivers and Stafford for me.
Speaker 1: So the one the biggest name that we have not
Speaker 1: mentioned yet on this show is Carson Wentz. And there
Speaker 1: are people that believe Carson Wentz should be picked pretty early.
Speaker 1: I know Jake's been all over Carson Wentz and how
Speaker 1: Sean Jeffrey for that matter, But I have Carson ranked
Speaker 1: Wentz after today's news, I have ranked Carson Wentz seventeen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, well I originally before the show
Speaker 1: started at like that, I dropped into seventeen because he's
Speaker 1: not healthy, Like I'm I'm sorry, he's coming at with
Speaker 1: torn a c L and it's now rush against the clock.
Speaker 1: And the latest news was that he's not not necessarily
Speaker 1: going to be ready for a week one. And if
Speaker 1: you're telling me the quarterback is not necessarily gonna be
Speaker 1: ready for Week one. You're franchise quarterback. This is not
Speaker 1: something you rush, especially when you have a capable backup.
Speaker 1: And when we say capable backup, we mean a guy
Speaker 1: that literally won you the Super Bowl, Carson Wentz. The
Speaker 1: Eagles are not going to rush. Is Carson Wentz worth
Speaker 1: drafting and holding and picking another one of these guys? Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: and maybe using your strategy, frankly, that's the right way
Speaker 1: to do it. Like, maybe you get this deal on
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz because of the injury and no one's into it,
Speaker 1: and you start a Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Ryan for
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, then you get Carson Wentz back.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is a valid and fair strategy. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot more questions to Carson Wentz. There
Speaker 1: are answers, and I'm I just cannot safely say this
Speaker 1: guy is a top seven eight quarterback. He might be
Speaker 1: when he plays on a per game basis. That might
Speaker 1: be true. But the thing is, again, we don't know
Speaker 1: when that's gonna be. We don't know if he's going
Speaker 1: to be ready in Week one. Look the touchdown regression.
Speaker 1: We know for a while that that was going to
Speaker 1: come down a little bit right, And and that's why
Speaker 1: I want to interrupt, because you you were the one
Speaker 1: that's pretty much all on saying listen to Shaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Obviously a touchdown regression, and I think you have to
Speaker 1: say this anything about Wentz. Yeah, absolutely, even if he
Speaker 1: was a hundred percent healthy, you know, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: him ranked ahead of Andrew Luck. I would probably have
Speaker 1: him ranked in that Deshaun Watson range again if he
Speaker 1: was healthy. But remember Carson wins toward his a C
Speaker 1: L months after Deshaun Watson, definitely, so he needs a
Speaker 1: little bit more time here. And again, you know, the
Speaker 1: only way the Eagles rushing back maybe is if they
Speaker 1: get off to a slow start. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that happens given the defense that they have. They still
Speaker 1: have a ton of weapons on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. They have J G. I and really the
Speaker 1: coaching staff there, I mean, Doug Peterson puts everyone in
Speaker 1: a great position to succeed. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: they need to rush Carson Wentz back. It's for that
Speaker 1: reason that I have him ranked as my QB thirteen.
Speaker 1: I have him behind guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: even Marcus Mariota again, Mariota to me is still young
Speaker 1: enough and has that upside in this group. I don't
Speaker 1: know that we've seen the ultimate ceiling from a Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota yet. And this year you're getting him at a
Speaker 1: great discount because of what he did last season. People
Speaker 1: are baking that into his value. And I loved that.
Speaker 1: What you're getting where you're getting Marx married right now,
Speaker 1: I think that's great. But yeah, I've dropped Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: down to QB thirteen. I just wonder Greg in home leagues,
Speaker 1: is that going to be reflected? Is it gonna be
Speaker 1: reflected in home leagues in people's homely like, is Carson
Speaker 1: went still gonna be drafted as one of those top
Speaker 1: seven eight quarterbacks? I don't think he will be. Maybe
Speaker 1: he will just be scared off by the intern. I
Speaker 1: think more and more so, more and more the news
Speaker 1: that we're getting. I agree with you. I think he
Speaker 1: is gonna start to get pushed on the board, and
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense eight four four eight four
Speaker 1: three six eight seven nine. I want to go to
Speaker 1: Dylan in Texas? What's up? Dyaling? Do we have Dylan? Hey, wait,
Speaker 1: what's up? And not much? I just got a draft question. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm going first overall in a twelve teen PPR. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be taken gurly. Uh in the two three turn
Speaker 1: I've been I've been doing this strategy lately, just go
Speaker 1: on three straight rbs. I've been. I've been in and
Speaker 1: up with Mixing and Howard. I really like those guys
Speaker 1: this year. I was just wondering if, I mean, do
Speaker 1: y'all agree with that strategy or should I be going
Speaker 1: wide receiver RB because there's so much wide receiver value
Speaker 1: in the middle rounds. I just don't really care to
Speaker 1: take like a you know, a Digs or Feeling or
Speaker 1: any of those guys. And that's like Mike Evans slips.
Speaker 1: I might take him, but I love the three kind
Speaker 1: of elite RB kind of thing going. So what do
Speaker 1: you'll think about that? We'll say this is I agree
Speaker 1: with you that there's a lot of wide receivers you
Speaker 1: can find in those middle rounds. Hell, I just did
Speaker 1: it this past weekend as well. But I will say
Speaker 1: in a full point PPR, I think that's a little
Speaker 1: bit dangerous. I think with your first three picks. I
Speaker 1: have to come out of those with at least one
Speaker 1: wide receiver if you want to take you know, a
Speaker 1: Mixing or a Jordan Howard, whoever you like more for
Speaker 1: the PPR format in that second round, at that two
Speaker 1: three turn, I think that's fine. I think you can
Speaker 1: start with two running backs, but I think to start
Speaker 1: three running backs in a full point PPR. Look, there's
Speaker 1: many different ways to win in fantasy football. You could
Speaker 1: definitely pull it off. But me personally, I have to
Speaker 1: come out of one of those first three rounds with
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, especially in PPR gread. Yeah, I tend
Speaker 1: to agree with you. I'm in my half point PPR
Speaker 1: league and I was looking at it this morning as well. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the first two rounds right and
Speaker 1: what I can do? And I have a leventh pick
Speaker 1: in that Um, and I I the signing. Do I
Speaker 1: want to do two running backs there? Direct? I could
Speaker 1: saying Melvin Gordon and Dalvin Cooke would just use as
Speaker 1: an example, Melvin Cook and Dalvin Melvin Gordon and Davin
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. Or do I want to go with the
Speaker 1: Julio Jones and a Dalvin Cook? And I mocked it
Speaker 1: out this morning. And if I went with a wide
Speaker 1: receiver and a running back, obviously go in any direction
Speaker 1: in the third round. If I go with a running
Speaker 1: back running back, I have to be okay with essentially
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper being my wide receiver one. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'm willing to do that. And the other
Speaker 1: argument is, okay, if you draft running back wide receiver,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be your r B two? Because you have
Speaker 1: two stud r B two is going running back? Running back?
Speaker 1: I have the perfect answer for you, Greggy. So the
Speaker 1: guy that's there consistently is Alex Collins. Who am I
Speaker 1: okay with that? I don't know the guy's What do
Speaker 1: you like more Alex Collins as you RB two or
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper as your wide receiver one, neither particular. You
Speaker 1: can't have everything great Fantasy football. You're right, and I can.
Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer, you know, And honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. Like I
Speaker 1: really would like Derrick Henry to be there, like that
Speaker 1: would be ideal for me. I think you would be
Speaker 1: there at the end of the third round. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's possible, right, Like, so you would
Speaker 1: take Derrick Henry ahead of Alex Collins. I had Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry one spot I had about so I think that's
Speaker 1: like a personal preferencing. I agree. I agree, that would
Speaker 1: make me feel like pretty comfortable I have. And then
Speaker 1: you also have the rookies that are there that you're
Speaker 1: comfortable with, like a Royce Freeman. Is a rby too? No,
Speaker 1: probably not. It's not terrible. I mean if you have
Speaker 1: that anchor right, like a Melvin Gordon, as you, Lady one,
Speaker 1: we both trust Melvin Gordon a lot, so I guess
Speaker 1: so you could take two two wide receivers in round
Speaker 1: two and three and then maybe take Royce Freeman in
Speaker 1: the fourth. So then the answer to that question, I
Speaker 1: know we're wearing up quarterbacks for the answer to my
Speaker 1: question is gonna be, what's then better? Do you draft
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon and Michael Thomas or Julio Jones and Dalmin Cook?
Speaker 1: Which combination is better to you? I know it's personal preference,
Speaker 1: and I get that, but I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1: And a half point PPR it's very tough. That is
Speaker 1: a close one. I mean I think you'd think on it.
Speaker 1: I have a month, Yeah, I've I've already drafted a
Speaker 1: team where I have Julio Jones and Dalvin Cook, so
Speaker 1: I'd probably lean that way. You know how much I
Speaker 1: like Dalvin Cook and as consistent as Michael Thomas is.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it comes down to you, right,
Speaker 1: Like consistency verse upside, Like Julio Jones can be a
Speaker 1: league winner for you, definitely, but he can severely outperform
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. But Melvin Thomas is gonna give you a
Speaker 1: safe floor every single week. Melvin Gordon gets could I
Speaker 1: know I'm not Mr daln Cook. I love Melvin Gordon.
Speaker 1: I think he could really outscore Dalvin Cook pretty handily myself.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's figuring out which to you
Speaker 1: like better ultimately, And I think that's where my leagal
Speaker 1: Who's the top on your draft board? Though, when it
Speaker 1: came Melvin Gordon verse Julio Jones, I'd probably take Melvin Gord.
Speaker 1: I would take Melon Gordon also, So then just take
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver available, maybe Julio Jones there in
Speaker 1: the second. You don't know he won't be that because
Speaker 1: I talk to that person every day. It's his birthday today,
Speaker 1: so Russ having birthday, having birthday, watches and listens every day.
Speaker 1: So we appreciate Gordon Michael Thomas, not Um finishing up
Speaker 1: or quarterback conversation Frank. A couple of quarterbacks we haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to that I think are worth mentioning at least
Speaker 1: um specifically Jared Goff and Alex Smith two guys that
Speaker 1: I happen to really like this year. I think Jared
Speaker 1: Goff is a natural next step a lot of people expect,
Speaker 1: and Alex Smith. Everybody Washington is saying, this is the
Speaker 1: best quarterback we've had here in years. And I get
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins finishes a top ten quarterback. You read, you read,
Speaker 1: you read where he finished over the last three years,
Speaker 1: and they think Alex Smith fits them better. His fourteenth year,
Speaker 1: he could do a little bit of everything from throw
Speaker 1: it deep to be consistent across the middle to a
Speaker 1: guy like Jameson Crowder or dump it off to a
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson. So I like Alex Smith, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a guy that's not gonna be drafted. He's someone
Speaker 1: you could pick up probably any given week. And remember
Speaker 1: early on in the year he was number one, he
Speaker 1: was King one for the first five weeks of the
Speaker 1: season last year. So I think there's some love with
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and the Jared Goff thing, along with Mitchell Robinsky.
Speaker 1: I think it's easy. I think you're just looking at
Speaker 1: a guy that's still improving as a quarterback and as
Speaker 1: a fantasy player. I know people think the Bears will
Speaker 1: break out. That's why they like Dr Whisky and Jared
Speaker 1: Goff playing a good rams offense. To me, I think
Speaker 1: he's a perfect streamer. You probably don't need to draft him.
Speaker 1: That's why I have Alex Smith ranks ahead of both
Speaker 1: Golf and draw Whisky. Golf is closer to the tier
Speaker 1: above him than the Goff Drobisky tier. For me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have Goff and Alex Smith back to back.
Speaker 1: I have Golf at eighteen and Alex Smith at nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's not really a knock on Jared Goff. I just
Speaker 1: think the QB position is so deep this year, and
Speaker 1: you know there are guys ranked ahead of him who
Speaker 1: have done it before. And Jared Goff finished as the
Speaker 1: QB twelve last year. He was fine. I just think
Speaker 1: he's all system quarterback. Brandon Cooks is there. He does
Speaker 1: have better weapons. But remember the defense is also a
Speaker 1: lot better this season as well. So are there gonna
Speaker 1: be games where they need Jared Goff to do all
Speaker 1: that much? Maybe there's more games this year where in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter they're just kind of like grinding out
Speaker 1: the clock with Todd Gurley or whatever else. The you
Speaker 1: know they want to throw back there. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I like what you said about al Smith. I the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't know that I can walk away
Speaker 1: from my draft with like him as like my QB one.
Speaker 1: I think he's a very fine QB two. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: the insurance policy you're looking for for your draft, and Andrew,
Speaker 1: look me personally, I just can't walk out of a
Speaker 1: draft with Alex Smith as I got a quarterback. Are
Speaker 1: there any of the quarterbacks, um that we have not
Speaker 1: mentioned on the show today that you feel, for whatever
Speaker 1: reason you did talk about, whether it's a Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston of Lake Bordles, anybody come to mind for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Jamis Winston as well. I like him more so
Speaker 1: as a QB two. I think people are sleeping on
Speaker 1: him a little bit too much. It's just it's hard
Speaker 1: to swallow that three game suspension to start the year.
Speaker 1: You never want to get off to a slow start
Speaker 1: in fantasy football. So I understand where Jamis Winston is
Speaker 1: being drafted, but remember in a super flexile if you
Speaker 1: get Jameis Winston late and then come back and pair
Speaker 1: him with like a Ryan Tannehill, just start Tannehill those
Speaker 1: first three weeks and then you get Jamis Winston. Bag.
Speaker 1: I still do think the upside is there with the
Speaker 1: weapons that Jameis Winston has. Another guy who you know,
Speaker 1: we've heard mixed reports so far in camp, but has
Speaker 1: the weapons is Case Kingdom. Yeah, we saw him do
Speaker 1: it last year. Now with the Denver Broncos, he has
Speaker 1: the Marris Thomas has Emmanuel Sanders. Again, he's more of
Speaker 1: like a super flex A two uh in a two
Speaker 1: quarterback league drafting messr QB two. I think those are
Speaker 1: some sleeper candidates they're going in the super flexi format.
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