Speaker 1: Up next, The Truth with Lisa both part of the
Speaker 1: gang which too many elites on the Coast don't live
Speaker 1: in the real world. They have these grand ideas about
Speaker 1: how society should function, but they don't start for the
Speaker 1: consequences of their own ideology. They insulate themselves in a
Speaker 1: cocoon of their money, fancy degrees, and self righteousness. It's
Speaker 1: time to get a dose of reality. This is The
Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. Yeah, welcome back to the Truth
Speaker 1: with Lisa Booth. I'm really excited for this week's guest.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely brilliant. You've seen on the TV, You've
Speaker 1: read his work. He's an absolute genius. The one and
Speaker 1: only Victor Davis Hansen. Professor Hanson is a classicist, military
Speaker 1: and historian, and one of the nation's most respected political commentators.
Speaker 1: He's published more than two dozen books, including the New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller The Case for Trump, and his next book,
Speaker 1: set to come out in October, is titled The Dying Citizen.
Speaker 1: How progressive elites, tribalism, and globalization are destroying the idea
Speaker 1: of America. I know, I can't wait to go get that.
Speaker 1: Professor Hansen is also a Senior Fellow at the Hoover
Speaker 1: Institute at Stanford University and has spent decades in academia.
Speaker 1: And if that's not enough, he's also a farmer in
Speaker 1: San Joaquin Valley of California. Today, Professor Hanson, I have
Speaker 1: a wide ranging conversation about politics, the state of America,
Speaker 1: and the difference between elites who live in a bubble
Speaker 1: and ordinary Americans who live in the woral world. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get started. So with that, I want
Speaker 1: to welcome Professor Victor Davis Hanson to the show. Professor,
Speaker 1: it's an honor to have you on the Truth with
Speaker 1: Lisa Booth. Thank you for having me. I've seen your work,
Speaker 1: I've read your work. I've every time I've watched you
Speaker 1: on TV. You're absolutely brilliant. But I wasn't as familiar
Speaker 1: with sort of your upbringing. So, you know, in researching
Speaker 1: for the show, I realized that, so your fifth generation
Speaker 1: grape and plum farmer, and you grew up on a
Speaker 1: hunder and thirty five acre farm in Selma, California. And
Speaker 1: what I find so interesting is you actually you had
Speaker 1: a PhD in classics from Stanford University and then you
Speaker 1: decided to go back to selma to help manage your
Speaker 1: family's farm. What was behind that? I think there was
Speaker 1: two less idealistically, there were not a lot of jobs
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty for classical I was a classical philologist,
Speaker 1: so that's the narrowest uh subset or subdiscipline, and classics
Speaker 1: that was being Greek and Latin language and manuscripts and philology,
Speaker 1: even though I wrote a thesis on ancient history. But
Speaker 1: also I had a grandmother who was ninety three, living alone.
Speaker 1: My parents were both trying to manage the farm and work.
Speaker 1: And uh, I had a twin brother who was had
Speaker 1: just arrived and he had quit graduate school, so he
Speaker 1: asked me if I could help him, because we also
Speaker 1: had another forty five was about a hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five acres, and we didn't have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and the storm has kind of been run down because
Speaker 1: my grandfather, who had just died, was elderly. And so
Speaker 1: I did that for five years NonStop, and then for
Speaker 1: the next ten to twelve of I did that. But
Speaker 1: in I had also become a professor at the closest university,
Speaker 1: cal State University, and I started a classics program. They
Speaker 1: didn't have any Latin and Greek program, and I started
Speaker 1: as a part time teacher at four dollars a month,
Speaker 1: and over the next twenty one years we had kind
Speaker 1: of a department of five people and it was pretty successful.
Speaker 1: Then I finally, when I was about forty nine, I
Speaker 1: retired and stopped farming and stopped teaching there. And then
Speaker 1: I commuted one day a week and have an apartment
Speaker 1: pow Out the last seventeen years and was at the
Speaker 1: who I met, the Hoover Institution. But I still live here,
Speaker 1: and I'm speaking from you from my farm and I've
Speaker 1: really been nowhere else the last fourteen months, like everybody else.
Speaker 1: What kind of lessons do you think people could learn
Speaker 1: from farmers and farming? Well, the most important is pragmatism.
Speaker 1: That all of these ideas that we have are the abstract.
Speaker 1: They don't really mean anything unless they're matched with re
Speaker 1: all of of your deeds. So I can I learned that.
Speaker 1: When I got back I'm Stanford. I saw my father
Speaker 1: and my family and they said, well, what can you do?
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I can write fluently in Grant,
Speaker 1: Latin and Greek. I can tell you all the manuscript
Speaker 1: family history of Esklis I'm an expert in the text
Speaker 1: of the cidities, at least I thought I was. And
Speaker 1: they said, can you go down and wire that Raisin d.
Speaker 1: Hyde writer, it's got a two twenty And I said, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't been doing that since I was seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 1: And they said, well, what was the purpose then, And
Speaker 1: they didn't mean to mock education, They just said you
Speaker 1: have to be well rounded. So for the next five
Speaker 1: years I learned that if I was going to survive,
Speaker 1: I had to learn to well drive and service tractors,
Speaker 1: pest asides, uh, go to farmers markets, and pedal through.
Speaker 1: I did all of that with people who most of
Speaker 1: them hadn't graduated from high school, local Mexican American people
Speaker 1: I grew up with, some of them, had a lot
Speaker 1: of people here illegally, and uh. It was really a
Speaker 1: way of testing your education. So if you had ideas
Speaker 1: and the abstract and it didn't work. And one good
Speaker 1: thing about farming, if you say, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that they're wrong about suggesting ten pounds of acre
Speaker 1: of ammonium sulfate. I think I could do fifteen. And
Speaker 1: yet if you do fifteen acres and you burn one tree,
Speaker 1: and you did five acres, the first tree doesn't just burn,
Speaker 1: the next three burns and all of them burn because
Speaker 1: you were idealistic or abstract or theoretical, but you didn't
Speaker 1: know the actual conditions on the ground. So I became
Speaker 1: very careful about saying things and postulating or pontificating unless
Speaker 1: I could see where the practical reality. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing very quickly is I gained a great deal
Speaker 1: of respect and uh, I don't know, adulation almost for
Speaker 1: people who made a living with their hands and their wits, farmers,
Speaker 1: independent truck drivers, mechanics, people that I got along with,
Speaker 1: and I did came to a really important discovery at
Speaker 1: a very early age that the people had gone to
Speaker 1: school with as an undergraduate undergraduate UH school were either
Speaker 1: not as bright or no brighter. They were certainly no brighter,
Speaker 1: but many were not as bright as the people out
Speaker 1: in the real world that had to run a seven
Speaker 1: eleven store or a farm supply business. And that was
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, that's not anti enlightenment, but it's
Speaker 1: it's trying to remind America that it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: what your degrees or your alphabet alphabetic cluster is behind
Speaker 1: your name, if you're not practical. We really saw that
Speaker 1: during the COVID with the careers of Dr Fauci, Dr
Speaker 1: Collins and others. I think, I think that's so fascinating
Speaker 1: because you know, right now there's sort of the schism
Speaker 1: in the country, and you know, you you look at
Speaker 1: the left particularly, and they've really become this party of
Speaker 1: elite and very disconnected from a lot of Americans who
Speaker 1: you know, have a working class background. And that's an
Speaker 1: interest saying for you because you've sort of been in
Speaker 1: both worlds where you'd have been in this sort of
Speaker 1: this elite academia while simultaneously having you know, sort of
Speaker 1: a rule and working class background. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one example. I came. I grew up
Speaker 1: hunting on this farm, and I had we had every
Speaker 1: generation about three or four guns. So the time I
Speaker 1: took over my great great great grandmother's house, the Victorian
Speaker 1: farmhouse that I have, I maybe had twenty guns, but
Speaker 1: they were all old, you know, and I never saw
Speaker 1: them as weapons. But then I noticed that when you
Speaker 1: live out here and that the environment was changing, that
Speaker 1: all your ideas about gun control don't mean anything, because
Speaker 1: what really means something is when at two in the morning,
Speaker 1: when two people on PCP don't speak English and throw
Speaker 1: a rock at your window and yell at you in Spanish,
Speaker 1: they're going to come in and break into your house
Speaker 1: and kill you. And the sheriff is forty miles away,
Speaker 1: forty minutes away, and your son who's ten, and your
Speaker 1: daughter who's eight, and your other daughter is six or crying.
Speaker 1: Then the only thing that protects you from the other world,
Speaker 1: the world of non civilization, is your ability to stop it.
Speaker 1: So I would get it. I had that. It was
Speaker 1: a very traumatic experience, but I got a shot down.
Speaker 1: I went out and confronted the two people. I made
Speaker 1: them walk back to their car that was hidden in
Speaker 1: the vineyard, and I called the sheriff, and the sheriff
Speaker 1: didn't come, and he didn't come, and he didn't come,
Speaker 1: and I sat there in the fog forty degrees in
Speaker 1: a winter night, just waiting until he came. And he
Speaker 1: never came. And then I walked them out, took the
Speaker 1: keys through them in the vineyard and said you're gonna
Speaker 1: walk to town. And I learned something from that, and
Speaker 1: that is that all the focism that I had been
Speaker 1: told as a child by neighbors, and I sort of
Speaker 1: wanted to get away from that and go to the
Speaker 1: university and meet people who were educated. And my parents
Speaker 1: had told me that because they were both educated, and
Speaker 1: they came back in the farm. My mother was one
Speaker 1: of the first women to graduate in Stamford Law School
Speaker 1: in nine and she was the first female appellate court
Speaker 1: judge in California. But yet she went back to the
Speaker 1: farm and her sixties she would pedal fruit with us,
Speaker 1: or my dad would get on the tracker. He was
Speaker 1: a JC administrator and they were running the farm. And
Speaker 1: they had told me, don't ever ever look down on
Speaker 1: your roots or working people, and they will always be
Speaker 1: there for you in a way that your academic friends
Speaker 1: will not. And they were so right. How has this
Speaker 1: all shaped your viewpoint on immigration? You know some of
Speaker 1: the stories you just told. Also, you know, working on
Speaker 1: a farm, growing up where you grew up, how has
Speaker 1: that shaped your viewpoint on immigration in the country. I
Speaker 1: think it's a tragedy because, say, yesterday I got up
Speaker 1: and I went to town. I talked to a guy
Speaker 1: who wants to paint my house. I went to home
Speaker 1: depot and got some parts I went to the diesel
Speaker 1: mechanic and got some fuel additive. But I didn't see
Speaker 1: anybody who was not Mexican American or from Mexico, and
Speaker 1: all of them were wonderful people, and I didn't even.
Speaker 1: I don't even at this point, because we're about eighty
Speaker 1: five percent Hispanic in this town that was once about
Speaker 1: eight white when I was a young kid. But the
Speaker 1: point of what I mean by tragic is every single
Speaker 1: person who came legally or is here legally, or came
Speaker 1: in a measured fashion uh and learned to speak English
Speaker 1: and got a high school to poema are are wildly
Speaker 1: successful that they're intermarried with different people from different backgrounds.
Speaker 1: It may be predominantly Hispanic, but we're getting to the
Speaker 1: point like the Italian immigration of the nineteenth century, where
Speaker 1: people who were Catholic and came from Sicily faced greater
Speaker 1: prejudice than Northern European Protestants. But by three generations, if
Speaker 1: your name was Juliana, Giuliani or Cuomo, nobody could determine
Speaker 1: your politics. And that was happening here. And then when
Speaker 1: we open the borders and people flood in, many of
Speaker 1: them from southern Mexico and that's the point that's never made.
Speaker 1: That people are not coming from the Northern province states
Speaker 1: as they used to, but Yucatan, Chiapas Oahaka, and they're
Speaker 1: much poorer. Some of them do not speak Spanish as
Speaker 1: their primary language. They peaked Uh, sort of a dialect
Speaker 1: mix of tech. They come up here, and as indigenous people,
Speaker 1: they've had a lot more prejudice in Mexico. They don't
Speaker 1: know English, and so they're much harder to assimilate. So
Speaker 1: at that very moment when immigration changed, and we should
Speaker 1: have been really doubled down on the melting pot. And
Speaker 1: I tried for twenty one years at cal State, where
Speaker 1: I had mostly Mexican American students. I tried to teach
Speaker 1: them Greek and Latin, made sure they read French and German.
Speaker 1: That got them into law schools, business schools. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't easy. And what I'm getting at is when these
Speaker 1: elites just throw open the borders and let people come
Speaker 1: in here illegally with no English and no high school
Speaker 1: diploma and not diverged. They're not coming from all over
Speaker 1: the world but from just one region, then it's so
Speaker 1: hard to integrate, assimilate, intermarry, immigrants, and they never suffer
Speaker 1: the consequences of their own ideology because they have the
Speaker 1: money and the influence to find a zip code or
Speaker 1: a geography that insulates them. Who does it fall most
Speaker 1: heavily on Mexican American people. If they came to my
Speaker 1: hometown and talked to a fourth generation, their generation, somebody
Speaker 1: of Mexican dissent, they would say, oh, Victory, it's hard
Speaker 1: to have a p when we have all these people
Speaker 1: coming in. And you know, these gang members attacked my
Speaker 1: grandson because he doesn't speak Spanish, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know who these people are. And when they get in
Speaker 1: erect they leave the scene of the accident, or they've
Speaker 1: got phony I d s. Or my wife is at
Speaker 1: the state dialysis center and it used to be an hour.
Speaker 1: Now they're waiting in line because all these immigrants don't
Speaker 1: have any healthcare and they don't and and they're here
Speaker 1: are legally excepted. So a lot of the opposition I
Speaker 1: think to the illegal immigration comes from the people that
Speaker 1: directly influences and but legal immigration, I think is a
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. And uh a true diversity of thought and
Speaker 1: different groups. And I grew up, you know, with an
Speaker 1: Armenian neighbor, Greek American neighbor, a Japanese American, a Mexican
Speaker 1: American neighbor, and where they all kidded each other about
Speaker 1: their ethnic faults or shortcomings. Uh, they all judge these
Speaker 1: each other on how well they farmed. It was incidental.
Speaker 1: So I'm really worried maybe you are too, at least
Speaker 1: about this Biden administration fixation on race, because I think
Speaker 1: there's never been a multiracial democracy except ours that work
Speaker 1: without you know, Soviet like coercion or the Ottoman coercion.
Speaker 1: And when we look around the world today, India is example,
Speaker 1: so is Brazil. I can't think of any others, and
Speaker 1: they don't do a very good job. And so it's
Speaker 1: we don't want to become the former Yugoslavia or Rwanda, Iraq.
Speaker 1: And yet Biden seems intent on emphasizing differences in grievances
Speaker 1: and victimizations rather than the melting pot assimilation and the
Speaker 1: dream of Martin Luther King. But what do you think
Speaker 1: is behind that? Because I've heard, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the words to describe the by administration. We've heard you know, communism, Marxist, socialist,
Speaker 1: they've sort of been used interchangeably to describe the administration.
Speaker 1: You know, are those distinctions important? And then you know,
Speaker 1: how would you label the Biden administration because I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot about you know, basically, instead of class warfare
Speaker 1: like the Marxist of the past, now it's racial divisions
Speaker 1: that they're driving in a similar fashion. I think you
Speaker 1: make a good point. I think there's two phenomena working
Speaker 1: in tandem. One or the people around him that go
Speaker 1: in and out of academia or the law or politics,
Speaker 1: whoever has advising And I don't know if it's people
Speaker 1: around Kamala Harris or the Obama's or chief of staff,
Speaker 1: but they are influenced by this neo Marxist idea that
Speaker 1: there's a permanently oppressed class. But that has never worked,
Speaker 1: that meaning revolution has never worked in this country because
Speaker 1: of the successive market capitalism and upward mobility. So if
Speaker 1: you start off as a truck driver, you end up,
Speaker 1: you know, making pretty good money and you're not a
Speaker 1: class victim. But so gram Skin others said, you know,
Speaker 1: there is a cultural Marxism, social Marxism, and here they
Speaker 1: fixed on race, and they said, you know what, if
Speaker 1: we can prove that race is always oppressive and it
Speaker 1: sticks with you for the rest of your life. Then
Speaker 1: opens a victim. Jay z is a victim, Megan Markle's
Speaker 1: a victim. The Obama's are a victim. They can be
Speaker 1: worth a hundred million dollars, they can be the most
Speaker 1: powerful couple in nine states, but because they're black, they're
Speaker 1: always going to be a victim. And we know there's
Speaker 1: too many victims for the number of victimizers, or we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have these crazy things like the juicy Smalett of fiasco.
Speaker 1: So they're trying to create a permanent victimhood and then
Speaker 1: have a permanent class but this is a racial division,
Speaker 1: and then be the defenders of the oppressed, and then
Speaker 1: leverage the system for political gain and power. And then secondly,
Speaker 1: very quickly, Joe Biden, remember his campaign was in nobody'd
Speaker 1: ever done that before. He blamed the quarantine, but it
Speaker 1: was really his age and inability to campaign in the
Speaker 1: traditional fashion. His transition was inert and all he had
Speaker 1: to his handlers had two points. Donald Trump is mean
Speaker 1: and tweets and he's angry and we don't like him,
Speaker 1: and he's a divider and I'm going to be old
Speaker 1: Joe Biden from scrant and two. We're in a quarantine.
Speaker 1: We've got to have a hundred million people vote, not
Speaker 1: on election day. We need my male own valut we
Speaker 1: need early about it. It's extensive crisis. We've got to
Speaker 1: shut people down. And that started to fade during the
Speaker 1: transition with Operation Work Speed. By the time he was
Speaker 1: entering office, a million people a day were being vaccinated.
Speaker 1: And now Donald Trump is irrelevant really because he can't
Speaker 1: get on social media. He's been barred. He's he's very
Speaker 1: important within the Republican conservative circles. But CNN's, as you know,
Speaker 1: either there ratings or disastrous because they can't fixate on him.
Speaker 1: So Biden lost that, and he lost the uh COVID
Speaker 1: quarantine recession, all that stuff to blame mont Trump. So
Speaker 1: what was he left with? Now people are looking at
Speaker 1: what he's done in the first hundred and forty days
Speaker 1: and it's not pretty. The Middle East he's screwed up.
Speaker 1: He could have left it alone, but it's a mess.
Speaker 1: The border is a mess. Gasoline prices and energy development
Speaker 1: are mess. Critical race theory and racial relations are mess.
Speaker 1: And looks like we were bound to have a natural
Speaker 1: recovery with plenty of prior stimulus, but getting up the
Speaker 1: thirty trillion dollars at national debt and a lot of
Speaker 1: stimuli and paying people not to work while you hector
Speaker 1: and the productive class means we've got too many dollars
Speaker 1: chasing too few products. And so he did all of
Speaker 1: that and none of those things he's done. If you
Speaker 1: look at the poles pole. So it's a race war.
Speaker 1: It's this, it's that, it's that he's got to find
Speaker 1: some bogey matt fascinating point, professor. We have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break back on the other side, and we
Speaker 1: created this massive welfare state over the past year due
Speaker 1: to government lockdowns and the amount of enhance unemployment that's
Speaker 1: being build out as well. You know, what impact do
Speaker 1: you think that has in the country both culturally and
Speaker 1: then also economically moving forward. You know, that's a really
Speaker 1: good point when you you emphasize culturally, when we just say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's well, if you're getting fours here and
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars there, there's no incentific go back and
Speaker 1: work and lose it. And that was always supposedly a
Speaker 1: right wing talking point, but it's absolutely true when you
Speaker 1: see it, and I can see it in a small
Speaker 1: town where you've talked to employers. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: corporate employer. I'm talking about small business employers that cannot
Speaker 1: find workers, at least regular workers. They can find people
Speaker 1: who will come in three or four hours a week
Speaker 1: and get cash off the book so they can continue
Speaker 1: to get supplements, or they can find are they themselves
Speaker 1: then play the game and they'll say, you know, I
Speaker 1: lost all of this money because of the dislocation, and
Speaker 1: they didn't in some cases. So we've created sort of
Speaker 1: a massive shared industry that we're all looking back at
Speaker 1: the last fourteen months and saying we we were victimized.
Speaker 1: I had a corporate guy called me this week and
Speaker 1: I think it's net worth is five million. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk too much about him, so the I R.
Speaker 1: S doesn't go somebody doesn't go after But he said,
Speaker 1: I gotta STI I got a stimulus check. And then
Speaker 1: my son, who is a teacher, he said to me,
Speaker 1: we didn't ask for it, a stimulus check, king, what
Speaker 1: do I do with I said, put it in the bank,
Speaker 1: and they said, well, I'm I'm supposed to stimulate the economy.
Speaker 1: Am I I said, well, what do you need? He said,
Speaker 1: I don't really need anything. We live very frugally, but
Speaker 1: so culturally, we're creating this idea that the government is
Speaker 1: in life of Julia Panjama Boy. Fashion is going to
Speaker 1: always be there, and we're doing it by printing money.
Speaker 1: And remember what Obama said the other day. Obama said
Speaker 1: he came out of retirement as his want now to
Speaker 1: make these pontifications. He said, well, you know, we've learned
Speaker 1: that we don't have to fixate on a thirty trillion
Speaker 1: dollar dead. We have a new way of thinking about
Speaker 1: it economics, i e. We don't have to pay this
Speaker 1: money back that maybe will inflate the currency, it might
Speaker 1: hurt wealthy people might not that we're not gonna fixate
Speaker 1: on it. And so it's been very delectarious. And then
Speaker 1: the other thing, of course, in strictly economic terms, when
Speaker 1: you coop up million people for fourteen months and you
Speaker 1: let them out and they're being let out now, it's crazy. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't buy lumber, you can't buy a truck. I
Speaker 1: bought a new truck and I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: I went to this Dodge Ram place, and I mean
Speaker 1: they were selling four or five six rams a day,
Speaker 1: and not not in middle level of kind I bought,
Speaker 1: I mean luxury luxury ram pick up sixty seventy eight
Speaker 1: dollars and no down payment, zero interests incentives. They stopped
Speaker 1: that now, But my gosh. And then people call you
Speaker 1: up and say, you just bought a truck, will buy
Speaker 1: it back for you for what you paid for it.
Speaker 1: We're short at our used card lot. So why is
Speaker 1: that happening? Because when when you create and print all
Speaker 1: of this money and you let people out, and yet
Speaker 1: you discourage them to be productive and to produce goods
Speaker 1: and services, and you tell the employer, hey, guess what,
Speaker 1: as soon as we can, your corporate taxes are going up,
Speaker 1: your capital gains taxes are going up, your personal income
Speaker 1: taxes are going up, your state taxes are going by
Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna shut down this pipeline shut down,
Speaker 1: and MORSH shut down federal leasing, and your energy costs
Speaker 1: are gonna skyrocket. Well, and that a lot of people
Speaker 1: get discouraged and they pull in their horns. And so
Speaker 1: we did the worst possible thing with natural demand staring.
Speaker 1: We artificially engineered a spike in it, and then we
Speaker 1: deliberately or maybe accidentally, I don't know, depending on your
Speaker 1: viewable Biden, we discourage production and the result is we're
Speaker 1: going to get inflation of five to eight percent, I think,
Speaker 1: or higher. And what you do when when you're an
Speaker 1: investor and you've got your buying bank mortgages at two
Speaker 1: point eight percent for thirty years and your currency is
Speaker 1: going owned by five to seven percent, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: last long. Well, personally, you know, I think it's with
Speaker 1: intention because Democrats, you know, you mentioned Life of Julia campaign.
Speaker 1: They want people to be dependent on the government from
Speaker 1: cradle degree because it gives them control, it gives them votes.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's my personal opinion. But we're also seeing, sir,
Speaker 1: you know, Americans, a lot of Americans making the decision
Speaker 1: to not get vaccinated, which in my opinion, is their choice.
Speaker 1: I'm young and healthy, why should I be forced to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated? However, it's creating sort of this, you know,
Speaker 1: some the people that are choosing not to be are
Speaker 1: soletly being ostracized from society. It's almost like a new
Speaker 1: class structure, the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. Where does that head? Well,
Speaker 1: the problem with that is that any time you take
Speaker 1: a multi ethnic, multi racial, quite diverse population and you start,
Speaker 1: for even noble reasons to make distinctions and to categorize
Speaker 1: and labels and I D cards, then new set of precedent.
Speaker 1: And when it's based on a lie. And so why
Speaker 1: is the left doing that? The left is doing as
Speaker 1: if you turn on the cable networks, they all say
Speaker 1: white Republicans are not being vaccinated. These are the deplorable,
Speaker 1: these are the q on, these are all the conspiracy freaks.
Speaker 1: But then you look at the data and by ethnic group,
Speaker 1: and Asians are getting vaccinated about their proportions and the
Speaker 1: general population a little bit above. Uh so are white?
Speaker 1: In fact, they're a little above. In fact, they've been
Speaker 1: criticized for being privileged that more white people as a
Speaker 1: percentage of the state's population are vaccinated than other people.
Speaker 1: So who are not being vaccinated according to their proportional
Speaker 1: representation in the demography. It's African Americans and their historical
Speaker 1: legitimate reasons why perhaps, and Latinos. So then we have this,
Speaker 1: when you start playing with race, you get these paradoxes.
Speaker 1: So we have all of these people a saying you've
Speaker 1: got to get vaccinated, we're gonna punish you. And they're
Speaker 1: also saying, but the underserved communities didn't get vaccinated. So
Speaker 1: this is gonna be very interesting because are they going
Speaker 1: that starts turning away uh, minorities when they want to
Speaker 1: go to a movie or when they want to get
Speaker 1: on a plane, they're gonna say, sorry, you weren't vaccinated
Speaker 1: because those populations have a higher rate or higher distrust
Speaker 1: of the vaccination or whatever particular exergies as you want,
Speaker 1: than do the white majority that they think they think,
Speaker 1: are they the kind of demagogue? Is the problem with
Speaker 1: the population in general not being vaccinated? Such an interesting point,
Speaker 1: and actually more people should be talking about that, So
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that. That's a really brilliant point.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break and then we're back
Speaker 1: with Professor Victor Davis Hanson. You know, to the earlier part,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, they're trying to use it as a
Speaker 1: way to sort of slander conservatives, to slander h Trump
Speaker 1: supporters particularly, But we've seen this for a long time,
Speaker 1: the dehumanization of Trump supporters to try to make them
Speaker 1: less than you know, that's why the left, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: calls an unborn child the clump of cells, because if
Speaker 1: you do humanize something, it has lesser value. And they've
Speaker 1: been trying to do that to Trump supporters, and we're
Speaker 1: seeing even in with the January six event. Obviously it
Speaker 1: was terrible what happened, but we have people like President
Speaker 1: Biden saying it's the worst attack on our democracy since
Speaker 1: the Civil War, which clearly it was not. No, that's
Speaker 1: a complete historical eye. I mean nine eleven was much
Speaker 1: more grievous. The Bonus March of nine two. They took
Speaker 1: tanks out there and charged the crowd. Douglas McArthur did
Speaker 1: with tanks, and they were out there for three months.
Speaker 1: Twenty thousand people in continued protest. This summer, we had
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty days. Two billion dollars was to damage.
Speaker 1: Thirty people dead, fourteen thousand people arrested. And and notice
Speaker 1: what he also does. He does he says the intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies say white supremacists. Well, that's only because of their definitions.
Speaker 1: If you're Antifa or BLM and you try to burn
Speaker 1: down a federal courthouse or police precincts, that is not terrorism.
Speaker 1: If the January six is, they say, or if you
Speaker 1: want to shoot Steve Scalise and take out three publican
Speaker 1: leadership for James Hodgkinson, then that's death by suicide. That's
Speaker 1: why you did it. Our major Hassan in two thousand
Speaker 1: nine killed thirteen people, yelled allah akbar. Well, that was
Speaker 1: workplace violent. So what the left does. They take all
Speaker 1: of these incidents and then they arbitrarily, in fluid fashion,
Speaker 1: determined this is a terrorist incident. This is a terrorist
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about not just the political left. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the bureaucratic, institutionalized FBI left as well. And
Speaker 1: so when Biden says this, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say. He says he said the same thing about
Speaker 1: anti Asian hate crimes when we know statistically about six
Speaker 1: of them are committed by people who make up about
Speaker 1: six percent of the population African American male. Or when
Speaker 1: he said it about anti Semitic at Texas and Jewish
Speaker 1: anti Jewish violence in Los Angeles and New York, we
Speaker 1: knew who was doing that. It was almost overwhelmingly young
Speaker 1: males of Middle Eastern descent. And yet you would think
Speaker 1: that this was all created by Donald Trump using the
Speaker 1: term Mouhan virus or going to Charlotte's five years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: and of course that was a lie what they said
Speaker 1: about you know what he said about Charlottesville. You know
Speaker 1: that was a complete lie with the media pushed as well. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and we know that, yet they keep repeating. And he
Speaker 1: said there were you know, bad people on good people
Speaker 1: on both sides. And then he said, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the plan and the Nazis and that, and that
Speaker 1: was just completely left out. That that lie got a
Speaker 1: lot of currency and residents because so many of the
Speaker 1: never Trumpers jumped on television and just said Charttesville, Chartesville, Charttesville.
Speaker 1: And then the left said, see, look at these never
Speaker 1: trumpers as if they were they had any validity or currency.
Speaker 1: But I'll just finish by saying, it's very dangerous when
Speaker 1: you in Pavlovy and fashion just reject everything because Trump's
Speaker 1: or anybody's fingerprints. So a lot of people have died
Speaker 1: because it was laughed at what Trump's at about the
Speaker 1: Wuhan Virology Lab having a role in this engineered gain
Speaker 1: and function virus, and we lost three or four months
Speaker 1: knowing what was going on. A lot of people died,
Speaker 1: as we know from recent research at the hydrox of
Speaker 1: cloroquine and iber methine. While they're not cure all, they
Speaker 1: had efficacy in the early stages. That's demonstrably true. And
Speaker 1: yet because Trump said that they were completely blacklisted or shunned,
Speaker 1: that that route and a lot of people are sitting
Speaker 1: in jail, in some cases solitary infinement because of this
Speaker 1: lie that U On January six, there was an armed
Speaker 1: insurrection with people. Not one of them was found with weapons,
Speaker 1: and there were no architects that had sophisticated planned at
Speaker 1: stage a coup, and the officer sick Nick was not
Speaker 1: violently killed. He died a day layer of natural causes,
Speaker 1: a stroke according to the autopsy. And there were not
Speaker 1: ties bought in by people trying to tie up and
Speaker 1: kidnap people. Those were police tie and I could go on.
Speaker 1: The only person who died violently was a fourteen year
Speaker 1: military vettman who was shot while in ouring coloniously maybe
Speaker 1: the capital, and she was shot by an officer who
Speaker 1: mysteriously to this day has not had his or her
Speaker 1: name or gender are race identified. Yet that's our want
Speaker 1: again to do so in every case an urn armed
Speaker 1: suspect being shot by and killed by a police, so
Speaker 1: we live in an empire of I don't know, delusion
Speaker 1: and lies, and it's very It has a lot of
Speaker 1: scary ramification, deadly ramification. Professor I, I could talk to
Speaker 1: you for hours. I know that you are a busy
Speaker 1: man and you're on a tight schedule. I thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the time that you've spent on the
Speaker 1: truth with Lisa Booth. It's an honor to speak with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Lesa enjoyed it. I want
Speaker 1: to thank Professor Victor Davis Hansen for his insight today.
Speaker 1: The man is always brilliant, and I want to thank
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