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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty six, and we

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Speaker 2: still don't know who won the bronze medal on floor

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Speaker 2: exercise at the Paris Olympics in twenty twenty four. And

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Speaker 2: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and DJ Robes.

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Speaker 2: The fight over the Jordan Childs medal continues, and I

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Speaker 2: kind of love it. I kind of love that she's

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Speaker 2: still fighting for it and she just got some good news.

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Speaker 3: Look, I am so excited.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was only fair because look, this was

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Speaker 4: something we covered extensively during the Olympics, and by all accounts,

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Speaker 4: they have the proof. We'll get into the details, but

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Speaker 4: the US Gymnastics Federation, they have the proof that her

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Speaker 4: coach was able to appeal her score.

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Speaker 3: Within that minute, and.

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Speaker 4: Up until now, the appeals court refused to even see

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Speaker 4: their evidence.

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Speaker 3: Look at their evidence. Consider that evidence.

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Speaker 1: Honest, did you even know this fight was still going on?

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Speaker 3: I forgot about it.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about it.

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Speaker 3: I completely forgot about it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it had been resolved.

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Speaker 2: If you would have asked me two days ago, I said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think they took care of all that. And it's

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Speaker 2: with the Romanian right I thought that's how it was left.

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Speaker 4: I knew that the record officially went to the third

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Speaker 4: place when the bronze medal officially went to the Romanian, and.

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Speaker 5: I believed the last I remember, Jordan Tiles refused to

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Speaker 5: give back her medal, but she was frustrated because she

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Speaker 5: couldn't even get the appeals court, the sports court that

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Speaker 5: they have there to even consider her appeal.

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Speaker 3: So I you know, that was frustrating.

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Speaker 4: If you've got the proof and they're like, yeah, we

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Speaker 3: So to know that now she's at least going to

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Speaker 3: be heard, that's phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's tell you where we are right now, folks.

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Speaker 2: Jordan taih the fight continues for that medal. Twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: She won this metal third place at the Olympic Games

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Speaker 2: in quite dramatic fashion. But she has now been granted

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Speaker 2: an appeal. She has been fighting for this and now

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Speaker 2: she has gotten a significant ruling from a Swiss federal

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court, which has now sent the case back to

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Speaker 2: the Court of Arbitration, telling them they now have to

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Speaker 2: consider the evidence that they refuse to consider before, which

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Speaker 2: essentially means robes. If you take it for what it is,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Chiles is should get this metal back.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because she originally finished fifth correct in the competition.

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Speaker 4: But it was her coach that said that one of

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Speaker 4: the elements that she performed in her floor routine wasn't

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Speaker 4: given the correct scoring. So yes, the judge agreed they

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Speaker 4: changed her score. That should be a done deal, period.

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Speaker 2: Although argument there is whether or not the coach got

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Speaker 2: the appeal request in in time they said it was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be sixty seconds. There is actual audio video

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Speaker 2: and that is the evidence that now is going to

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Speaker 2: have to be It's been ordered to be considered, and

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Speaker 2: if it is, she's going to get it back.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: We don't know the timing of all this, but I

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Speaker 2: so this might still take a little while. But a reminder,

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Speaker 2: floor exercise ropes and the way it happened. Afterwards, your

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Speaker 2: heart goes out to the young lady from Romania, I know.

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Speaker 2: So they had made the announcements. We see the scores

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Speaker 1: Oh NAUGHTI okay. They haven't won a metal since Nati a.

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Speaker 4: Komen each pretty much. Yes, So this was a big

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Speaker 4: So this was a big deal and it was so

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Speaker 4: heartbreaking to see realized that the score change had been made.

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Speaker 4: And we've also talked about one of the most iconic

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Speaker 5: Were interacting with one another. It was just such a

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Speaker 2: So some pretty some moments were created that now one

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Speaker 2: Maybe it didn't happen because Jordan Giles didn't really get

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Speaker 2: third place. That's what we are right now. However, if

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Speaker 1: That didn't happen, I know.

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Speaker 2: So those were two of the really so two of

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Speaker 4: Oh I think so too, because we were also just

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Speaker 4: mark the video that they have as proof the evidence.

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Speaker 4: It is showing that her coach filed that inquiry at

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Speaker 4: forty seven seconds. So look, it seems like it's an

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Speaker 4: open and shutcase. It seems like it's pretty obvious now

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Speaker 4: or at least if they now agree to review this video.

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Speaker 3: The video doesn't lie in.

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Speaker 2: The argument before was something about jurisdiction, whether they could

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Speaker 2: of Obergeration, they're giving.

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Speaker 1: It back to them and robes they are if this court.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like if this court had the option, they would

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Speaker 3: Yes, here was the statement from this court.

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Speaker 4: In the highly exceptional circumstances of the case in question,

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Speaker 4: it considers that there is a likelihood for the audio

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Speaker 4: to lead to a modification of the contested award in

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Speaker 4: favor of the applicants. Since the CIS could consider, in

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Speaker 4: the light of this audio visual sequence, that the verbal

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Speaker 4: The Federal Supreme Court therefore partially overturns the contested award

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Speaker 3: Recording in question. Sound like a done deal, period? Yes?

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Speaker 4: I mean, and why wouldn't you look, No matter if

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Speaker 4: and Team USA, don't you want the person who actually

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Speaker 3: Do I want to meddle that.

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Speaker 4: If there is audio and visual evidence of proofs, if

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Speaker 4: the rules and it really shouldn't be up for debate.

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Speaker 4: As heartbreaking as it is, I would still think that

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Speaker 2: If if that athlete that got the higher score made

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Speaker 2: Then that's part of the rules. You didn't do it

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Speaker 2: in time. That medal's mind. I could get that. You

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Speaker 2: every day on the Olympic stage. Damn right, it's a

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Speaker 2: fight over a third place medal. It has been going

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Speaker 2: on for two years in court, that's how serious this is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're about to show the Winter Olympics beginning next week,

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Speaker 4: so and we still haven't figured out who got the

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Speaker 4: bronze medal in Paris twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: You know what, this is possible.

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Speaker 2: We could start knocking on the door of the next

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Speaker 4: There's no timetable, But that's so interesting to me if

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Speaker 4: you're agreeing. Now, Okay, now we know we have this

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Speaker 2: So you've known court systems to move quickly. Okay, that

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Speaker 3: This seems like an open, had shut case.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, even those take years. But We also heard

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Speaker 2: from USA Gymnastics certainly sticking by Jordan Chiles. Will let

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Speaker 2: next for miss Jordan Giles there or continue here on

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Speaker 2: Amy and TJ. Jordan Childs keeping the fight going for

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Speaker 2: that bronze medal that she was awarded and was taken

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Speaker 2: to have to consider some new evidence showing that her

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Speaker 2: coach in fact did get that appeal in in time ropes.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of a bigger story from the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Olympics in Paris. I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying the kangaroo lady, right, that.

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Speaker 3: Was a big story.

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Speaker 4: Also the boxer, the female boxer who is every day

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Speaker 1: You know, you're right that those were the two.

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Speaker 2: We were doing something on those three stories every day,

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Speaker 2: that's right and suddenly the boxer.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 2: That was a huge story at the time, but this

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Speaker 2: late over steel talking about it. But USA Gymnastics has

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Speaker 2: been standing by Jordan the whole time and will continue

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and they have released a statement based on this

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Speaker 4: big decision. This is a huge decision that they have

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Speaker 4: agreed to consider her appeal and at least consider the

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Speaker 4: video evidence that they refuse to look at up until now.

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Speaker 4: So here is what Team USA had to say about

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Speaker 4: that decision. We are pleased the Swiss Federal Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: recognized the flaws in the initial process and that Jordan's

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Speaker 4: case can now be heard inclusive of all relevant evidence.

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Speaker 4: Gymnastics will continue to support the efforts of Jordan and

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Speaker 4: her team to retain her bronze medal in the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four Olympic Women's floor exercise. We look forward to

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Speaker 4: a fair arbitration that includes the clear evidence proving the

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Speaker 4: inquiry into Jordan's score was filed well within one minute

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Speaker 4: as required by FIG rules. USA Gymnastics recognizes and thanks

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Speaker 3: Always got to thank the lawyers.

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Speaker 4: Don't know if that's going to get them a discount

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Speaker 4: on the bill, but certainly thanking the lawyers. And I

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Speaker 4: she refused to give her medal back.

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Speaker 3: They physically send it back.

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Speaker 2: Because they were requiring her to do. So, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to that sucker.

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Speaker 3: Well, if they said retained, that means she kept it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't say get it back or be reawarded. No,

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Speaker 4: they said retain, So that means And I love that

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Speaker 4: because from I never saw anything written or published that

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Speaker 4: she in fact returned the medal.

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Speaker 1: Remember if we were talking about it like she's gonna

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Speaker 3: In overnight, it like they want it back? Are you serious?

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Speaker 4: So I believe she kept it in her possession and

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Speaker 4: good for her.

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Speaker 2: Well, this was a again, it was an emotional story.

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Speaker 2: You felt bad for both of these athletes, felt bad

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Speaker 2: for both of these teams. Both of these countries. She

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Speaker 2: team one. Right, Yes, she got a gold medal out

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Speaker 2: of what this was a big deal of individual bronze

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Speaker 3: The floor exercise.

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Speaker 1: She shouldn't ever let this fight go.

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Speaker 4: And her her statement and I appreciate this. This was

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Speaker 4: and so that's incredibly frustrating. If a judge made a mistake,

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Speaker 4: a mistake by coach.

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Speaker 3: Coach did it within the rules.

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Speaker 4: Like everyone, they followed the rules, and so that's so

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Speaker 4: frustrating to think you've been stripped of something you earned,

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Speaker 2: She might get a chance to get more metal. She's

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Speaker 2: she hasn't declared and says she's going to keep going

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Speaker 4: I mean, gymnasts look at a certain point when you're

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Speaker 4: I actually the fear involved. I mean there's a mental

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Speaker 4: maybe the more foolish you are. You don't realize how

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Speaker 4: her you could actually get. I know, I was a

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Speaker 4: I could do some serious harm to myself. So it

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Speaker 4: is remarkable when you see women who mature, their bodies mature,

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Speaker 4: they recognize what could happen, and they still fight and

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Speaker 1: But they've been on the world stage for so long.

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Speaker 2: I consider them so mature and such champions and go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's in college right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like a lot of the best athletes the gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, So good for her.

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Speaker 2: We are rooting, still rooting for, We were rooting for

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Speaker 2: just want to hop on that the update. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate you spending some time with us. For now, I'm TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy Robock. We will

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Speaker 2: talk to Elson, yes,