Speaker 1: Wow, it is Friday.
Speaker 2: You know what that means.
Speaker 3: It is time for another edition of the Stardom Cindam Show.
Speaker 3: Glad you could be with us. I am Marcus Grant,
Speaker 3: joined by Michael he f Foyo, who writes the Stardom
Speaker 3: Citum column for us. You can find it every week
Speaker 3: at NFL dot com slash Start Sit. And we got
Speaker 3: the Kawan Jones who just likes giving his opinions on things.
Speaker 3: We are grateful for that as well. So look forward
Speaker 3: through four weeks. I know it's been a frustrating fantasy year.
Speaker 3: How how are you feeling about the Start Sit calls
Speaker 3: so far?
Speaker 4: Overall? Pretty good? Week two was not the best one
Speaker 4: for me, but week three week bounce back. Week one
Speaker 4: was solid all I mean, it was good all things
Speaker 4: considered that, Like, we don't really know anything coming into
Speaker 4: week one, but I will say Week four was actually
Speaker 4: a very good one as well. But Week five, this
Speaker 4: this one that we were about to talk about, is
Speaker 4: the spiciest I've ever written. There is a ton of
Speaker 4: big names that I'm look I might be wearing it
Speaker 4: on the chin next week or I'm gonna be You're
Speaker 4: not gonna hear me shut up, but I am talking.
Speaker 4: I'm advising against a lot of big names.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's start because I feel like quarterbacks
Speaker 3: got a few of those big names in them. Who
Speaker 3: are your starts and sits under center?
Speaker 4: My starts are Jayden Daniels, even in a tough matchup
Speaker 4: against the Browns must start option now. I think Jordan
Speaker 4: love One is just a must start option with the
Speaker 4: way he played last week. But also, sorry to Lakwan Rams,
Speaker 4: Justin Fields is running again. And not only that, to me,
Speaker 4: he just looks so much more comfortable in this offense,
Speaker 4: and I think that's something that we forget, like he
Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to start new team all of that. Brock Perdy,
Speaker 4: who has gone off against the Cardinals in the past,
Speaker 4: that defense doesn't scare me at all. And Gino Smith,
Speaker 4: I've said it a lot this week. I think like
Speaker 4: three or four touchdowns are coming for Gino this week.
Speaker 4: And then the Sis. These these are some spicy names.
Speaker 4: I have Pat Mahomes because he's just a name right now,
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray who really struggles against the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: in his career, Joe Burrow, who has really struggled against
Speaker 4: the Ravens as of late, and they are shutting everyone
Speaker 4: down right now, You're a touchdown leader in Sam Darnold
Speaker 4: against the Jets, Aaron Rodgers. I'm sitting both quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: that game, and then Derek Carr as well. Those first
Speaker 4: two weeks were fun. The last two weeks have not
Speaker 4: been fun at all.
Speaker 3: So I mean, let's let's just start with the headline.
Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned that he is a name right now,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. Wow, how many where do you have him?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Does he still even sneak into your top twelve at
Speaker 3: this point?
Speaker 5: No? Straight out, no, no, no, real nasty.
Speaker 4: I mean starting other quarterbacks on this sittem list before
Speaker 4: I would start Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Wow. All right, la Quan, how far down the list
Speaker 2: do you have Mahomes?
Speaker 6: He's definitely outside the top twelve, but top fifteen still,
Speaker 6: like it's still Mahomes Like he's still good at football,
Speaker 6: but fantasy right now, it's just hard to put him
Speaker 6: in starting lineups when other quarterbacks are giving you higher ceilings.
Speaker 6: So it's like, I get it. It just looks nasty
Speaker 6: having him along the bench and having a guy like
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold or a Gino Smith or a Baker Mayfield
Speaker 6: and starting lineups over him. I mean, this is where
Speaker 6: we're at now, though.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I've got a team where I've got
Speaker 3: Mahomes and Gino Smith, and without hesitation, I plug Gino
Speaker 3: Smith in it, like didn't think twice about it, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Geno against the Giants versus Mahomes against the Saints, all
Speaker 3: good was not even a consideration At this point. You
Speaker 3: mentioned Florio Jayden Daniels, the tough matchup against against Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I think I said this to you earlier in the
Speaker 3: week that this feels like the start of a real
Speaker 3: training a real testing ground for him, right, because they
Speaker 3: got the they've got the Browns, they've got the Ravens,
Speaker 3: they've got the Steelers, they got the Bears in there.
Speaker 3: If let's say he goes out and has a eighteen
Speaker 3: to twenty point game against the Browns, like at this point,
Speaker 3: that does that graduate him out of being in the
Speaker 3: start Sitcollum at this point?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote and literally the first sentence on the
Speaker 4: Jade and Daniels section, I was like, yeah, after that,
Speaker 4: if he is a good week this week, it's too
Speaker 4: obvious for me to start to write it like on
Speaker 4: the start top of each section, it says you won't
Speaker 4: get obvious names if Jade and Daniels balls out this week.
Speaker 5: He's too obvious.
Speaker 3: Wow, this is where we are rookie season and he
Speaker 3: has been like already graduating out of really graduating.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Potentially five weeks into his NFL career, that
Speaker 2: is wild.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Let's move over to running backs. Who's your starts? Who's
Speaker 2: your six?
Speaker 4: I have Travis Etn and Josh Jacobs both as starts.
Speaker 4: I know they haven't been living up to their fantasy expectations,
Speaker 4: but they are in both great matchups. Naji Harris gets
Speaker 4: so much volume, and the Cowboys struggled against the run
Speaker 4: when they were healthy, now they are super banged up.
Speaker 4: DeAndre Swift, who I know you like as well this
Speaker 4: week Marcus and then Jerome Ford. The Commanders, as much
Speaker 4: as they struggle against the past, are allowing explosive runs
Speaker 4: at nearly twenty five percent, is by far the highest
Speaker 4: rate in the NFL. And then my sis Zach Moss
Speaker 4: because the Ravens have played four games and no running
Speaker 4: back has a run of ten yards against them, Plus
Speaker 4: they have allowed the fewest rushing yards in the league.
Speaker 4: Devin Singletary, this is one that like the maybe volume
Speaker 4: gets him into your lineup, But the Seahawks before they
Speaker 4: played the Lions had been shutting down running backs Zamir White.
Speaker 4: There is absolutely no chance you could start him with
Speaker 4: any sort of confidence. And then the Chiefs running backs Hunt,
Speaker 4: Steel p Ryan. I think if you have to start one,
Speaker 4: it's clearly Kareem Hunt right now. But Saints are a
Speaker 4: good defense, and I all three were involved still last week.
Speaker 4: I still kind of want to take a step back.
Speaker 2: If I can quan, how are you approaching the Chiefs
Speaker 2: backfield at this point?
Speaker 5: I'm not this week. It's in the matchup.
Speaker 6: Like I feel like even with you know, you know
Speaker 6: a lot of folks still having Carson Steely on their team,
Speaker 6: but I think he's on punishment right now. You gotta
Speaker 6: hold on to the ball like you can't be fumbling
Speaker 6: out there as a rookie. So that's a bad look there.
Speaker 6: So like Reem Hunt, I understand that, you know, he
Speaker 6: had some good usage last week, but you're going against
Speaker 6: the Saints on the ground, and that's not a matchup.
Speaker 6: I feel comfortable putting Green Hunt in there with you know,
Speaker 6: some a JP Ryan still out there trying to take
Speaker 6: some PPR upside. So this is going to be an
Speaker 6: ugly matchup for the Chiefs, like they had an ugly
Speaker 6: match up the last three weeks. Like it's kind of
Speaker 6: just what they've been right now. So I feel like
Speaker 6: going out there trying to approach what they what they uh,
Speaker 6: Kansas City Chiefs running back in your starting lineup, you
Speaker 6: have to be really desperate.
Speaker 3: H what Floory ask you about a running back that's
Speaker 3: not on this list here but Romondre Stevenson, a guy
Speaker 3: that a lot of us had hopes for. Now there's
Speaker 3: saw that Antonio Gibson might start because Stevenson's putting the
Speaker 3: ball on the ground. But the matchups against Miami is
Speaker 3: so good. How are you feeling about about Remandre right now?
Speaker 4: Look, it's hard to be like super optimistic given THENT
Speaker 4: like what the talk is and everything, But I think
Speaker 4: you give him one more chance more than likely, Like
Speaker 4: it always depends on your options. But I have a
Speaker 4: lot of teams that are in need of running back
Speaker 4: help right now. So the matchup, to me, I think
Speaker 4: keeps him in play. But I also think Antonio Gibson
Speaker 4: is a sleeper this week, Like this is one of
Speaker 4: those situations where I don't feel super confident with either
Speaker 4: one because we don't know how the work will get distributed,
Speaker 4: but the matchup is so good that if I need
Speaker 4: to take a shot, I'm fine taking that one.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that this talk about Antonio Gibson is just
Speaker 3: chatter because I'm starting Remandre and I need him to
Speaker 3: have a good week, so hopefully this is just something
Speaker 3: to light a fire under him and it's nothing more
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 2: Floury and wide receivers. Who you got this week.
Speaker 4: Not as maybe as spicy, but Deontay Johnson at the Bears.
Speaker 4: I know it's a tough matchup. I don't care. I
Speaker 4: think he is a must start right now. Amari Cooper
Speaker 4: because the matchup against the Commanders is elite and his
Speaker 4: volume is elite as well. Jayden Red and Dontavian Wicks
Speaker 4: against the Rams, who have been torched through the air
Speaker 4: this year. I also think Romeo Dobbs is a sleeper
Speaker 4: in this one. Terry McLaurin against the Browns. I know
Speaker 4: the Browns are a good defense. Terry is very good.
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels is very good. I'm willing to take a
Speaker 4: shot on the talent there, and then Khalil Shakir I
Speaker 4: think is just quickly becoming a must start option, such
Speaker 4: a safe floor, and we're seeing more upside my sits.
Speaker 4: I had DeVante Adams, but it doesn't look like he's
Speaker 4: going to play t Higgins against the Ravens. I know
Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a spicy call, but Burrow
Speaker 4: has struggled and so is Higgins in recent games against them.
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen just not enough volume last week for me
Speaker 4: to get fired up for him. Jalen Waddle, I think
Speaker 4: everyone can see why with that one. Jordan Addison because
Speaker 4: Jets defense is elite, and Courtland Sutton the Raiders, for
Speaker 4: as much issues as they have going on, they have
Speaker 4: been really good at limiting outside wide receivers this year.
Speaker 2: I'm really you know, I don't I don't have Quurtland Sutton.
Speaker 3: He's another guy that I'm trying to squint really hard
Speaker 3: and try to find some sleeper value in.
Speaker 2: But I can sort of get that one.
Speaker 3: Quan, I want to ask you about about Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: because Jalen Waddle is on the sit list. I know
Speaker 3: we were sort of saying that, man, it's hard to
Speaker 3: get away from Tyreek Hill. See more and more people
Speaker 3: tweeting about the fact they're going to put Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: on the bench.
Speaker 2: Have you reached that point yet?
Speaker 6: Yes, I personally don't have many shares, but I'm putting
Speaker 6: them on the bench.
Speaker 5: You just have to.
Speaker 6: You can't go out there when you have guys that
Speaker 6: you drafted in later round putting up more fantasy points
Speaker 6: than a Tyreek Hill a first round investment, and may
Speaker 6: feel like you got to just work yourself up to.
Speaker 5: Go do it, But no, it's a bad offense right now.
Speaker 6: Things are not working in Miami right now, and I
Speaker 6: can't go out there and put a bad product in
Speaker 6: my starting line I'm expecting each and every single weekend
Speaker 6: now that he's going to have this bomb game.
Speaker 5: Like we're not getting the Tyreek Hill that we've had.
Speaker 6: Our expectations had to lower down a ton once he
Speaker 6: moved to Skyler Thompson. Now they're on Snoop shout out
Speaker 6: the Pro Bowl Snoop all supports. But that is not
Speaker 6: an offense that I feel comfortable putting Tyreek Hill in
Speaker 6: my starting lineups.
Speaker 2: Florida.
Speaker 3: And maybe this is a bigger conversation for another show.
Speaker 3: But you know, screw it, I'm gonna ask you here anyway.
Speaker 3: Guys like Khalil Shakir getting opportunities. You know, a guy
Speaker 3: like Alan Lazard getting opportunities right now. He's a top
Speaker 3: twenty wide receiver, Wandel Robinson a top twenty five wide receiver.
Speaker 3: These are guys who aren't you know, like, look, you
Speaker 3: have the elite guys at the top, right, we're we're
Speaker 3: not worried about the Justin Jeffersons, the Chris Godwins, the
Speaker 3: A'mon Ross Saint Browns.
Speaker 2: Those guys are doing their thing. But are we gonna
Speaker 2: start next year looking differently at some of these these
Speaker 2: slot guys who sort of work underneath, who find spaces
Speaker 2: and zones, those guys who generally speaking, we're not really
Speaker 2: thinking of, We're not checking for them in like the
Speaker 2: fifth sixth round. Are we gonna start sort of changing
Speaker 2: the way we draft as long as offenses are continuing
Speaker 2: to check down with their passing games.
Speaker 4: Uh, it might like this year has been an awful
Speaker 4: year if you went like heavy on wide receivers because
Speaker 4: teams are passing less. Like the too high safety thing
Speaker 4: is a legit problem for a lot of these offenses,
Speaker 4: which leads to a lot of underneath stuff. A couple
Speaker 4: of years ago, I started writing a slot article for
Speaker 4: on NFL dot Com, and it was just like, these
Speaker 4: are the guys that are consistently getting usage in the slot,
Speaker 4: and these are the defenses that really struggle against them.
Speaker 4: So maybe I don't think the fantasy community, though, is
Speaker 4: going to change a whole lot. We're always going to
Speaker 4: chase upside and slot receivers are more of a safe
Speaker 4: floor type of thing. They're also players that like Wandell
Speaker 4: has been very useful, but you can get him off
Speaker 4: the waiver wire coming into the year. So maybe the
Speaker 4: one I will say, you can call me a homer.
Speaker 4: Khalil Shakir, I think is a little different because he
Speaker 4: is the top target on his team, whereas Wandell is
Speaker 4: number two, Alan Lazard is number two. So to me,
Speaker 4: it depends a little bit on your role in your offense.
Speaker 3: Oyay, yeah, I mean it's just it's the thing that
Speaker 3: kind of struck me right, Like some of these guys
Speaker 3: that we don't traditionally think of as really fantasy heavy
Speaker 3: wide receivers are having some good seasons so far, I
Speaker 3: don't wonder.
Speaker 2: If it's gonna change things. We're slow to change. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes in draft theory too.
Speaker 4: What what are we gonna cause? Lakwan, you made dorsch Land.
Speaker 4: What is Wandell's thing going to be?
Speaker 6: Uh see, I've been trying to just think of other
Speaker 6: things that can get Wandell, but like Wandel's world, like Disneyland.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I'm like trying not to be
Speaker 6: so like high expectations on him week the week because
Speaker 6: I kind of just want this to slow burn, to
Speaker 6: just be consistent and then I can jump on it.
Speaker 6: Because Greg Doors, we put all our stocks into that,
Speaker 6: into that park, and now it's closed for me.
Speaker 4: Hey, you just gotta reinvest in the slot receiver.
Speaker 5: That's all. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Wandale archipelago, that's what I archipelago.
Speaker 3: It is a series of islands, you know, like what, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's the thing you.
Speaker 4: Taught me yesterday?
Speaker 5: You and Patrick Isthmus.
Speaker 2: It is a strip of land with water on two
Speaker 2: sides of it.
Speaker 4: Did you know either of those?
Speaker 5: Lakwan, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: We were discussing isthmuses and peninsula's yesterday. In case for
Speaker 2: those of you out there.
Speaker 3: Who wonder what kind of stuff we talk about here
Speaker 3: at the job, Like when we're not on shows.
Speaker 2: We discussed land mass forms of land masses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I learned something new each day.
Speaker 2: There you go, So archipelagos, isthmuses and peninsula's just look
Speaker 2: them up. We'll get back to the matter at hand, though,
Speaker 2: tight hands your starts and since for the week.
Speaker 4: Jake Ferguson, who I think is just becoming a mustard
Speaker 4: option right now. You know how bad tight end is.
Speaker 4: He's the number two target on a team that throws
Speaker 4: a bunch. And I would say the same about Dawnt Kincaid.
Speaker 4: I know some people are like, he hasn't been having
Speaker 4: great games. He's averaged eleven Fantasy points per game the
Speaker 4: last two weeks. That is elite at the current state
Speaker 4: of tight end. Brock Bow, I know the last two
Speaker 4: weeks haven't been as fun as the first two weeks.
Speaker 4: It doesn't erase those either, And with Devonte Adams out,
Speaker 4: plenty of volume there Evan Ingram, because he is the
Speaker 4: average double digit Fantasy points against him last year. He
Speaker 4: has at least five catches every time he's played him,
Speaker 4: and I saw some comments being like starting Evan Ingram
Speaker 4: in his first game back. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't
Speaker 4: realize you were the one guy that has a good
Speaker 4: tight end in your league. And then at friar Mouth
Speaker 4: showed us some upside last week, so that gets me excited.
Speaker 4: And then the CITs these get me sad Mark Andrews
Speaker 4: and Isaiah Likely, I don't see how you can start
Speaker 4: them right now. And then Cole Comet Tyler Conklin tastes
Speaker 4: him Hill to round it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 3: I kind of want to believe in Tyler Conklin just
Speaker 3: because I think the way to attack the Vikings is
Speaker 3: just sort of underneath. I mean, they're gonna play a
Speaker 3: lot of show coverage, They're gonna blitz a lot, so
Speaker 3: maybe there's some space in there.
Speaker 2: So maybe there's some room for Tyler Conklin.
Speaker 3: Taysom Hill because you put him on the set list,
Speaker 3: is gonna just like he's gonna go off.
Speaker 2: It's just gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I write it every time I have him as a
Speaker 4: city like, You're just like he is not a tight end.
Speaker 4: You are hoping for a rushing touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean you're right, but it's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: To receiving, you just hope for a touchdown.
Speaker 3: So, Lak, you heard Floria talking about Evan Ingram people
Speaker 3: being sort of indignant about starting him. Are you would
Speaker 3: you be starting him if you have him?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? I mean you drafted him. The guy that you
Speaker 6: had filling in his role was off the waiver wire
Speaker 6: and he's been giving you four points. You understand the
Speaker 6: situation where we're at with the tight end situation, so absolutely,
Speaker 6: you have to understand. His role in that offense is
Speaker 6: very important when it comes to scoring touchdowns in the
Speaker 6: middle of the field, security blanket for Trevor Lawrence and etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 6: He is going to be a weapon utilizing. It's a
Speaker 6: great sign that he's practicing this week. Things are looking
Speaker 6: to be okay for the most part. But if he
Speaker 6: plays and he gets the okay, he gets the green light,
Speaker 6: He's in my st any lineup.
Speaker 3: I'm starting him, uh one, because like everybody else, I
Speaker 3: need tight end help.
Speaker 2: So the matchup is good.
Speaker 3: I talked about earlier in the week about Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 3: being a sleeper having an opportunity to bounce back this week,
Speaker 3: so why not get one of his favorite.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what my last two losses in my
Speaker 6: leagues have been because the tight end like situation has
Speaker 6: just been nasty. Like I've lost by like four points
Speaker 6: or like seven points, and it's like, dude, you couldn't
Speaker 6: just put up ten points and I could have got
Speaker 6: this dub like right, like what's going on? Like seriously,
Speaker 6: So you get a starting tight end who's a real
Speaker 6: threat that has an actual silent target share, he's in
Speaker 6: the starting lineup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Evan Ingram definitely fits that category this week.
Speaker 3: So I'm with Florio. Get him on your lineup. If
Speaker 3: you got him, get him in your lineup, because I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know who are you going to start? Like
Speaker 3: Eric Soalbert come on.
Speaker 5: And Lacwan Jones off the street and Jeans, like what's up?
Speaker 2: Start start Evidage.
Speaker 4: Honestly, you might be a top ten tight end.
Speaker 5: Not seriously, I'm.
Speaker 3: So serious, dude. You know one catch for like fifteen
Speaker 3: yards and you're very much in the running, so here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 4: I feel like you might have to dye your hair blonde.
Speaker 4: And John new Smith might not even have a good year,
Speaker 4: like he just might fall into top five tight end that's.
Speaker 5: What's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Wow, craziness absolute.
Speaker 4: If you can't tell, I'm really wanting to see you blonde.
Speaker 6: Yeah, seeing that, I'll take some of the hair comments
Speaker 6: off of you to me.
Speaker 2: Now. Oh man, all right, that feels like a good
Speaker 2: spot for us to end.
Speaker 3: Unless you guys want to talk about, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: mountain ranges or something of that nature too, we'll say
Speaker 3: that for next week. All say, show more more geographical
Speaker 3: land mass features. We'll talk about on next week's show.
Speaker 3: The meantime, that's a good place for us to end
Speaker 3: this edition of the Startum Situm Show. We appreciate you
Speaker 3: hanging out with us as always. Enjoy the weekend, Enjoy
Speaker 3: week five. May it'd be prosperous for all of us,
Speaker 3: and we will talk to you all next week. Wow.