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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind listener mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert.

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Speaker 3: Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the

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Speaker 3: day of each week that we read back messages from

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Speaker 3: the Stuff to Blow Your Mind email address. If you

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Speaker 3: accept messages of all types, especially if you have feedback

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Speaker 3: to a recent episode, maybe something interesting to add on

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Speaker 3: a topic we've talked about, or especially this week, if

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Speaker 3: you got something about Dune. Hit us up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well let's jump into it. This first

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Speaker 2: one comes to us from Matt and this one is

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Speaker 2: titled Cave Biology. Hey, Rob, Joe and JJ. I was

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Speaker 2: just a listening to your first episode about cave dwelling

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Speaker 2: life and was very pleased when you started talking about

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Speaker 2: subjects related to genetics. I thought i'd share some of

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Speaker 2: my thoughts on the subject. First, you asked for comment

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Speaker 2: about the sonic the hedgehog pathway. One of you I

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Speaker 2: can't remember who wondered aloud, which was discovered first hedgehog

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Speaker 2: or sonic hedgehog. It was hedgehog, and it was so

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Speaker 2: name because fruitflies without this gene would develop many spiky

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Speaker 2: protrusions all over their body, giving them a very hedgehog

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Speaker 2: like appearance. Sonic Hedgehog was simply named after the game character,

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Speaker 2: as it is in the hedgehog family of genes, and

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Speaker 2: I read some of the background about this as well.

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Speaker 2: This is a hedgehog first, and then I think some

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Speaker 2: other varieties, including sonic ketchhog. Anyways, another thing you brought

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Speaker 2: up is the idea of a single genetic trait that

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Speaker 2: affects multiple characteristics of an organism. I think you used

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Speaker 2: eyes and long arms as an example, but the one

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Speaker 2: my mind immediately went to is a gene that results

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Speaker 2: in both red hair and freckles. MC one R just

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Speaker 2: thought i'd share that this example exists. The last thing

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Speaker 2: is related to the fish that develop eyes but lose

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Speaker 2: them when in the dark environment of a cave. I

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Speaker 2: seem to remember from a developmental biology course that neural

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Speaker 2: cells often have this use it or lose its system

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Speaker 2: already in place during development, even in humans. Many more

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Speaker 2: neurons are formed early in development than are needed, but

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Speaker 2: only those able to create strong, useful connections will remain

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Speaker 2: while the others are destroyed or broken down. The difference

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Speaker 2: comes down to their ability to communicate across the connections

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Speaker 2: they make. It doesn't seem like a stretch for this

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Speaker 2: to indicate they are useful, they get the acts with

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Speaker 2: the excessive neurons. Anyway, love the show. You guys are

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Speaker 2: masters of science communication.

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Speaker 3: Matt ah, thank you, Matt Yeah, thank you, especially for

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Speaker 3: bringing so the idea of a single genetic trait that

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you adding a real life known example the

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Speaker 3: pliotropy that would cause at the same time both regressed eyes,

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right.

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Speaker 3: This next message is in response to our series on

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Speaker 3: the illusion of control. It comes from Christopher. Christopher says, hello,

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Speaker 3: Joe and Robert. On the subject of the illusion of control,

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Speaker 3: and further to other listener's comments, a student of Stoicism

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Speaker 3: reactions to events and influences. Perhaps an episode on stoicism

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Speaker 3: Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Epictetus, question mark kind regards Christopher. Oh, yeah, Christopher,

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead and transition into a

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Speaker 2: little weird house cinema. We have some weird house cinema

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Speaker 2: left over from last week. Some new stuff has come in.

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Speaker 2: This one comes to it from Louisa. Lisa says, Hi,

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Speaker 2: Robin Joe Dune. What can one say that hasn't been

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Speaker 2: said about it before? It was my first experience with

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Speaker 2: in a second. We'll give the author here a second

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Speaker 2: to continue the Litany against fear, a sandworm on the

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Speaker 2: I'm tempted to watch the Lynch version now. Thanks to you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your wonderful podcast. You're my weekly portal

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Speaker 2: into scientific considerations. Best wishes, Louisa from Guatemala.

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Speaker 3: Luisa, this mug is great. So yeah, it has the

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Speaker 3: Litany against fear on the opposed sides of the mug

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the popcorn buckets have their own charm,

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Speaker 2: but this, this is something I would be more inclined

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Speaker 2: The handle of the mug is in fact a sandworm.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful job.

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Speaker 3: I love it totally. Five out of five kulwahds. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this next message is from Jeff. Jeff says, greeting science humans,

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Speaker 3: really enjoying the recent nostalgic weird house picks. Your episode

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Speaker 3: on Flash Gordon reminded me of being a kid and

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Speaker 3: encountering movies on cable television with no preconceived notions. I

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Speaker 3: All right, so Jeff says. Instead, I got something much

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Speaker 2: during the football scene, Yes, it probably wasn't gonna happen, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Vanguard, I don't think I knew this one. I'm

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Speaker 3: All right, So that's your kickfest. Coming back to Jeff's message,

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Speaker 3: Jeff says, finally, I have a viewing recommendation called Delicious

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Speaker 3: in Dungeon on Netflix. Rob have you seen this?

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff's gonna describe it, he says. It seems like

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Speaker 3: a perfect combination of subject matter for the two of you.

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Speaker 3: The premise is that a party of Dungeon adventurers have

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Speaker 3: It works as a combination classic fantasy adventure plus cooking show.

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Speaker 3: They have such respect for both tabletop and video game

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Speaker 3: far seems appropriate for viewing with kids. It's currently the

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Speaker 3: show I look most forward to every week. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: keeping the Heart of the Eighties Alive, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I mean I'm especially interested if I

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just took a peek. This is animated. You

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Speaker 2: As for keeping the Heart of the Eighties Alive, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just considering Weird House cinema. I just did

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Speaker 3: Wow. I would not have thought it was that much.

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Speaker 3: Remember Highlander your Home.

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Speaker 2: All right, here's another one. This one comes to is

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Speaker 2: from Carrie. Carrie writes in and says, Rob and Joe,

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Speaker 2: I'm writing to suggest a pretty weird movie for weird House.

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Speaker 2: It's The five Thousand Fingers of Doctor t a nineteen

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Speaker 3: You know, somehow I think this movie has come up before.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen it, but I've looked up screenshots from

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Speaker 3: the film. Apparently it was written by doctor Seuss, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I believe listeners have written in about this

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Speaker 2: need to lean in for a closer look. Yeah. It

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Speaker 2: the stills, and you included some stills in our shared

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Speaker 2: like like the production design is by Doctor SEUs in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this looks like a noothbrush on my toothbrush that

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Speaker 2: To keep from the director of the nineteen fifty three

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know we've talked before about this. Different

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Speaker 3: I'm just picturing a lot of three D like mule

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the five thousand Fingers of Doctor t Yeah, we'll

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