1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast today. I think this 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: is just going to be a wild conversation because we're 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: learning all about this estrangement from the Beckham family. We've 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: got Brooklyn Beckham. He is the son of the famous 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: duo of David Beckham and Victoria Beckham, and he's had 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: this bad situation with his marriage and them getting involved, 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: and so I thought, I need someone that can talk 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: about this, and Bethany Mandel wrote an article about this. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: You seem to be a good person to kind of 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: break down how is this happening? This is not the first. 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like Harry was the first, like 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: really big story. Prince Harry was the big story about 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: getting an estrangement situation from family. And obviously we watch 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: that because it's the royal family, and this is kind 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: of like our other a different type of royal family, 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: a Hollywood royal yeah. 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: Yea, and they're still British. It's funny. 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: Actually, I just heard, so I filed my column for 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: the New York Post, and then I heard after I filed, 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: and my comment is actually in defense of Brooklyn in 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: some ways. And then I heard that Brooklyn is friends 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: with Megan Markle, and I was like, oh, can I 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: withdraw my column? I don't know, maybe, but it's like 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 3: a very similar situation. It's like this British guy meets 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: this this American girl and then the family, the British 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: side of the family, absolutely implode. And so I'm a 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: little I'm a little bit on the fence, but I 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: think I'm still on Brooklyn's team. So he has been 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: pretty quiet, and then he unleashed a series of like 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: five or six Instagram stories where he talked about the 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: origins of the estrangement and why he's not interested in 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: reconciling with his parents, and he talked about one of 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: the most notable things to me was his wedding and 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: basically him and. 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: His his his wife was a. 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: Guest at their wedding and really it was the Beckham Show. 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: And he talked about how his parents care more about 38 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: them and their image more than anything else, and he 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: he said, you know, I I don't I can't. 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Let my wife be treated like this. 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: And so he talked about how his mother hijacked their 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: first dance, danced with him inappropriately on stage and embarrassed him, 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: embarrassed them and his wife. Lest In tears, and there 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: was spent some corroboration of that side of the story 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: in page six, so that I feel like, you know, 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: there's something there. But to me, actually what is most 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: exonerating for Brooklyn is the day after he posted all 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: of these Instagram stories, David Beckham did a TV segment 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: about social media, and like, people have to realize that 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: when you're in Hollywood, you get to choose what TV 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: segment you're talking about, what you're talking about. He didn't 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: have to do a TV segment the next day on 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: social media, and he chose to, and he probably opted to, 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: almost certainly opted to, and in that segment he said, 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: you know, well, my kids have made mistakes on social media, 56 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: and that's not the behavior if you're someone who wants 57 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: to fix things with their kids and wants to come 58 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: to a place of understanding and de escalate the situation. 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: And so that kind of was exonerating for Brooklyn to me. 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: So so I'll play Devil's advocate on that because as 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm watching this, so I had to kind of do 62 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: some research on the whole both families, because I don't 63 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: follow the Beckham's that much. I see some of their 64 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: social posts and sometimes I see posts that I'm like, 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they live on like a farm and 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: he has it sounds really lovely, you know. When I 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: watched the last thing was David Beckham in his backyard 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: and he created this whole garden which was like a huge, 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: huge garden. And I'm sure he didn't do it himself, 70 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: but it in my mind as I'm watching it, I'm like, 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: look at this, He's made this amazing garden, you know, 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: because it felt very real because that's of course what 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: you do on social media, and you know, there re 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: goats and all kinds of little animals, and it seemed 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: very like almost Peter rabbitsh. 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: You know. 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is amazing, and they're British and it's 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: so cool. So then all of a sudden you start 79 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: hearing about this argument within the family, and I have 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: a few different takes because I so I started researching 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: the families. Her family, the family she's from, is also 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: very wealthy, actually wealthier than Brooklyn's family. The Brooklyn's family 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: is worth like six hundred million dollars and they're worth 84 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: a billion and a half or something, you know, so 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: like more money than I will ever know, and and 86 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: part of me, I'm like, okay, so she the wife 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: Nicola is that her name? 88 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so the wife of Brooklyn is worth fifty million 90 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: and he's worth ten million, I've according to reports, right, 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: So part of me is like, dude, neither of you 92 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: could possibly have this kind of money at your age. 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: They're like twenty, you know, without having had parents that 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: did something to create a brand. And he said, you know, 95 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: the only concerned about the Beckham brand. But I the 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: little part of me is like that. I get that part. 97 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: I understand being frustrated with the you know, your parents 98 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: doing weird things at your wedding. I mean, I remember 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: my parents were both wildly dancing at my wedding in 100 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: a way I had never seen that, certainly not inappropriately, 101 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: but like the most joy I've ever seen, which was 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: a little offensive because I'm like, are you this happy 103 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: to get rid of me? But they were very happy, obviously, 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: not to the point of what we hear from this 105 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: story of her actually grinding on her son, which is 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: so creepy. 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: So I want to get into this whole Oedicus thing 108 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: because I think that there's a lot there. But I 109 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: will I will push back on you a little bit, 110 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: because it's not just the fact that he was like 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: commoditized by his parents, but that at the exclusion of her, 112 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: and they were kind of like, our brand is our 113 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: brand and that's the most important thing. 114 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So she was not allowed to be a part 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: of the brand. 116 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there was a there's a video of 117 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: Brooklyn and his parents on a red carpet and he 118 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: pulled her in and you could tell no one was 119 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: happy about it. His wife wasn't happy. She felt really 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: uncomfortable because she clearly she didn't feel welcome because she 121 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: wasn't and his mom was very clearly not happy. Victoria 122 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: was not happy to have her daughter in law in 123 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: the picture. And he said in his Instagram stories that 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: the night before their wedding, his father said to him, well, 125 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: she's not blood and she'll never be blood. And my 126 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 3: response is like, well, yeah, because this isn't like England 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: a thousand years ago, Like people don't marry their cousins 128 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: any that's not an insult to say. 129 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: She wasn't blood when he married her. 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, but I guess if you're rich enough in England, 131 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: even in twenty twenty six, like it's good to be 132 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: blood related, like, of course she's not blood, but the 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: implication was from David, like, she's not your family and 134 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: she'll never be your family. We are only your family 135 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: because we are blood, and that is not how a 136 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 3: healthy marriage begins. And it doesn't seem like David really 137 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: cared if he had a healthy marriage. And that's a 138 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: shame because it seems like David in Victoria get along 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: really well, and it would be nice for them to 140 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: want that for their son, but it doesn't really seem 141 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: like that. 142 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: But don't you sort of feel like this is just 143 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: a blown up version of the age old mother in 144 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: law story. I remember when I was a kid, so 145 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm older than you, but when I was little, there 146 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: were these triangle yellow signs that people would stick in 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: the window of their car. You know. It was like 148 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: baby on board, and there was mother in law and 149 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: Trunk was one of them that we saw quite often. 150 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: And I say that because I'm like, I feel like 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: we're watching an age old story of mother in law 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: not being able to handle the new wife. Yes. 153 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: Yes, And to go back to that Oedicus thing, I 154 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: think that there's a little bit of that in her 155 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: grinding on Brooklyn and it's funny. 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: So you have you only have girls? You have four girls. 157 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: I have four boys. 158 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: So I before I had boys, I was like, what 159 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: is this like thing with mothers and sons. It's weird, 160 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: kind of creepy. Then I had boys and I'm like, 161 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: m do you know the children's book Love You Forever? Yeah, 162 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: where she puts a ladder into her son's bedroom and 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: climbs through and holds him. Pre boys, I was like, 164 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: that is the creepiest book I've ever read. My wife, 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: And after boys, I'm like, well, is she wrong? Maybe 166 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: that's that's how she gets her snuggles. Maybe he's not 167 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: answering the phone frequently enough. And I joke with my 168 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: sons and it's not a joke and they'll go to 169 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: therapy about it one day that I have been asking 170 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: them since before they could. 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: Talk, will you call me every day? Because I want 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: them to? 173 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: And I as you know that saying a son is 174 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: a son till he takes a wife. A daughter's a 175 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: daughter for life, for life. Yeah, and you got four daughters. Yes, 176 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: that must be nice. No, I mean I say to 177 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: my son's my little boys all the time. My older 178 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: boys have have already thrown me off. But my younger boys, 179 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: who are three and four, I say, do you want 180 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: to get married? And they're like, and then they kiss 181 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: me and we each say I do. And my husband 182 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: Seth is like, this is weird and creepy and you 183 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: need to stop. And I'm like, I will do it 184 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: for as long as they'll do it, because now I 185 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: have an eight and ten year old, and I know 186 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: that this isn't forever, and one day they're just gonna 187 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: cast me off. It's so quickly, not forever, and that 188 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to freak you out. But somebody recently 189 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: said to me, you really those moments with your kids 190 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: are really gone as soon as they get into high school. 191 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: But once they get a car, then it's like they're 192 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,359 Speaker 1: adults because they have their own life. They see themselves 193 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: as having their own life, and that My oldest is sixteen. 194 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: My middle daughter is a freshman. So I have a 195 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: junior and a freshman, and even more so with my freshman, 196 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: actually she is just like I am my own person. Now. 197 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: She's the smartest person she knows and I get it. 198 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: But it is so hard, you know, it's so hard, 199 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: and I was telling you before we get on. My 200 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: sixteen year old she just started dating this boy and 201 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: he is so sweet. He's like the nicest kid, and 202 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: I really do like him. It is just it is 203 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: really hard to see your child with someone else because 204 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: you're like, I've kept you in this perfect condition and 205 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: I have to let you go. 206 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 207 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: No. And it's also I mean, I can see me 208 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: doing it with my daughters as well. I have two daughters. 209 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: I have two girls and four boys, and I can 210 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: see me doing it with my daughters too because I'm like, 211 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: but but your mine and I want you and I homeschool, 212 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: so it's even worse. I'm like, I really never let 213 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: you go. And when I send them to camp, I 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 3: am I turn into a certifiable lunatic. So I mean, 215 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: I'm not going to handle it well. So I feel 216 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: a lot of sympathy for the parents in these situations 217 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: because I'm like, I know, I'm such a psycho, Like 218 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: they're not even as crazy as I am. 219 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: So let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next 220 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I remember years ago a 221 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: friend of mine was like, you know what, my husband 222 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: parents are just they're not kind to me and he's 223 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: chosen me over them. And I remember at the time thinking, 224 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, how do you manage that? Though you're 225 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: like it's like you've lost a part of your history, 226 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: you've lost a part of your life and that and 227 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: you don't get to see that part of his life. 228 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: And I had a lot of heartache over that. But 229 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, we're seeing this in the 230 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: news where people are like, if you don't agree politically, 231 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: just cut that part of your family off. And I 232 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: think it has become something that's happening. And obviously I'm 233 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: a very I love having a big family. I love 234 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: the I tell my kids all the time. Have kids. 235 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Don't get caught in this wave of like, oh, just 236 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: freeze your eggs. You can do it. Maybe in your fifties, 237 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: like have kids, have a strong family, that's the joy 238 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: of your life. And there has been this push that 239 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: kids are not the joy of your life, Like there's 240 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: this anti motherhood push. And my fears as you read 241 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: stories like this. 242 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: What was that you're speaking my language? This is literally 243 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: all I talk about. 244 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: So I'm afraid and like, remember I ran for office 245 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: at a time when you know, I was just telling 246 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: my girls last night. I can't I still can't get 247 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: over the fact that the attack on me was that 248 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: I was pro life. You know, think about that is 249 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: so effective now, the thought of saying that motherhood is good. 250 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: And certainly I'm not a naive to the fact that 251 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: there are bad situations out there, but I think that 252 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: most of us who are pro life realize that there 253 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: is a push for the average twenty five year old 254 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: woman who's been in a long term, two year relationship 255 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: to abort her baby. 256 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, no. 257 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: I mean it really comes down to and this is, 258 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: you know, this is the birth crisis to me, is 259 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: that motherhood has made has been made to look so 260 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: terrible and so oppressive that people put it off for 261 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: a really long time and then they say like, maybe 262 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: that's not something I want at all. And marriage as well, 263 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: I mean, the genesis of the birth problem is actually 264 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: a marriage problem. And there's there's just not enough people 265 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: who are positively portraying marriage and positively portraying parenthood and motherhood. 266 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: And when you when people talk about life issues, it's like, well, 267 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: you don't want to do that to a kid, but 268 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: do that to or not to a kid, But to 269 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: a woman do that is to have a child, and 270 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: that's not a that's not a death sentence. And I 271 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: feel like, honestly, on both sides of the aisle, motherhood 272 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: is talked about like a death sentence. The left, it's like, 273 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: you know, motherhood is terrible, destroy your body, Megan Trainer, 274 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: just how a baby be of a surrogate. For this reason, 275 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: the doctors are talk about how terrible pregnancy is and 276 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: how terrible birth is, and and then you know, all 277 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: through a child's life we get these like think pieces, 278 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: I wish I didn't have children, children are so expensive, 279 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: all these things. 280 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: That's that's the left. 281 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: But on the right, I feel like we talk about 282 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 3: motherhood as this like martyrdom thing. It's like you have 283 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: to we have to raise the birth rate, you have 284 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: to be selfless and live for your children, and you know, 285 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: you have to be barefoot and homesteading and homeschooling. And 286 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: I say that as like someone who homeschools, but they 287 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: talk about it so it's weird, but they talk about 288 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 3: it as is if it's this like safe duty, this 289 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: sacred duty is something we have to do. And I'm 290 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: here kind of you know, I'm conservative but I'm here 291 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: on the middle on this, and I'm like, kids are 292 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: really fun, and it's really. 293 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean this as I heard you describing it's funny 294 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: when I hear you describing your relationship with your boys 295 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: and wanting to cuddle them and the conversation, the evening 296 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: conversations and tucking them into bed, I hear so much 297 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: joy in your voice, and that as I'm listening to that, 298 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: I feel like the person who has never had kids 299 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: listens to that and they go, oh, see, that's weird 300 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: if you think that you have never had a child, 301 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: because you literally want to just you just want the 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: best for them. You want to cuddle them. Last night, 303 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: my daughter is she is right now. They want to 304 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: do an IV test on her and she's afraid of needles. 305 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: And we were going through this and it's funny that 306 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: you bring up childbirth and your body changing, because as 307 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a mom, I mean, I've gone through some other medical issues, 308 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: but childbirth is one that they know they're going to 309 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: experience one day. As girls, you know that they will 310 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: likely experience. And when she's talking about being afraid of something, 311 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I said, I can remember. It's striking 312 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: me and this seems weird, but halfway through my pregnancy 313 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: with my oldest going, oh, this labor thing's really happening. 314 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: There's like no way of avoiding it. Yeah, for sure. 315 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: And then I had this moment where I was like, 316 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: I've done a really good job of avoiding pain in 317 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: my life. I've never broken a bone, Like I don't 318 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: know what I'm in for, you know, and being afraid 319 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: of that, and I'm like, I said to her, it's 320 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: so amazing what your body can do, what you're capable 321 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: of getting through Like you are afraid because you've never 322 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: done it, but going through this like you're getting a 323 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: needle in your arm. You don't feel like and that 324 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: those conversations that only a parent can have with their child, 325 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but there's joy in those conversations too. Yeah. 326 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: No, I mean it's funny. I my oldest daughter was 327 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: actually present at the birth of our youngest kid. We 328 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: had him at home, and it's very interesting to hear 329 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: her perspective on anything sort of medical now, because she 330 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: watched me push a ten pound person out of me 331 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: and so she's like, oh, that looked very unpleasant. I'm like, right, 332 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: how cutie is now? And so she's like, it's interesting 333 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: to see how she thinks about like childbirth now because 334 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: she's witnessed it. And she's kind of like, yeah, that 335 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: part doesn't look great. And I'm like, right, but you saw, like, 336 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: thirty seconds later, all I wanted to do was kiss 337 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: this baby, who still like looks disgusting. And she's like, yeah, yeah, 338 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: that's true. I'm like, yeah, it's worth it. It's always 339 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: worth it. You've seen the like kind of worst of it. 340 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: You've seen a ten pound baby in a bed, like 341 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: it only goes up from there, honestly. 342 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: But you make a great point, though, I think that 343 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: we part of this David Victoria Beckham's story is that 344 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: they have posted everything online, right, so he feels like 345 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: his whole life has been out there in the public, 346 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: but it's all been scripted. And your article pointed out 347 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: that parents, whether they're famous or not, they are trying 348 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: to get the perfect Instagram moment, like let me get 349 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: the sun just right stand here, let me get this picture. 350 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: I want to post this picture, and it makes you 351 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: But there's also there's I think there's this is twofold. 352 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: You see this where some people are going, oh my gosh, 353 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: I could never have that perfect of a life. But 354 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: also parents tend to go, like you said, the martyrdom, 355 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you don't know how tough it is for me, Like 356 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: I had to get up and make this breakfast and 357 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: I had to go on this walk, and then journaling 358 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: this in a way that it's like respect me because 359 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: I do a job that's so hard and not I 360 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: mean maybe not realizing that. They make it seem like 361 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: this isn't what you love and it is hard, but 362 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. 363 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's a lot of the problem. 364 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 3: I always say motherhood has a PR problem. That's like 365 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: my tagline. And I wrote about this for Deseret News 366 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: a million years ago. So if people want to google 367 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: my name and Deseret News and motherhood is PR problem. 368 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: But I think a lot of this is created by 369 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: social media that women are complainers to. 370 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: And people want. 371 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: It's this like weird dynamic now with this with our 372 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: generation of victimhood confers some sort of like status upon you, 373 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: and so it's how you get attention, it's how people 374 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: you know feel good about you. Whereas in previous generations, 375 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: resilience was really the goal. Resilience was what got you admiration, 376 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: but now it's victimhood, and so women have made motherhood 377 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: into this entire victimhood complex. And I try very hard 378 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: to be positive, just you know, as as a person 379 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: who is in the public eye, but also just personally. 380 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: I try to be a positive person and try to 381 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: I try to model that for my children. We don't 382 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: focus on the fact that, like, you know, when we 383 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: flew home from Puerto Rico, our flight was five hours 384 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: late and it landed at the wrong airport and we 385 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: got home at four o'clock in the morning. Like, that's 386 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: not what I want to focus on about that trip. 387 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: I want to focus on the fact that, like we 388 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: went to the beach, we did this, we did that, 389 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: and reorient their brain towards the positive, because I mean 390 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: that that is a way that you can shape your 391 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: brain to get out of, you know, a bad place. 392 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: And our generation are doing the opposite, and we're doing 393 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: it bad to ourselves, but we're also doing it to 394 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: our children. We are modeling that victimhood is bad, resilience 395 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: is not important, and we're reinforcing negatives so much that 396 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: it gets people into a spiral and it's really toxic. 397 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: And I think that's behind a lot of this birth 398 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: crisis now in marriage crisis and relationship crisis because people 399 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: are just like really not fun to be around and 400 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: not happy people anymore. 401 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: And I do think that there is a I mean, 402 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: when you look at the Victoria Beckham situation, I do 403 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: think there's a certain amount of desire to control every 404 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: situation because once you've been in the public eye, and oftentimes, 405 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: I mean I'll hear some of my family members that 406 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: are like, did you see what Facebook is doing today? 407 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, because your Facebook is different than mine. 408 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, they don't necessarily realize that. And there's a 409 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: lot of pressure too they you know, I want to 410 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: post this, I want to be in that same I 411 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: want to be seen that same way. And so there 412 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: are created pressures in life that aren't really there. I mean, 413 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: certainly that my parents didn't have when I was a kid. 414 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: And I am not a personal social media poster, like 415 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: I probably post once a year. Every so often, Facebook 416 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: will come up and it'll be like, you know, here's 417 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: a memory, what's happening now? And I'm like, oh, I 418 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: took a picture of that kid. I could actually post that, 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: you know, but I don't document my kids out there ever, 420 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: really have. I just never caught on in my head 421 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: that this is this is something I want to do. 422 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: So my kids. I was talking to them about this 423 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: ahead of time, because I'm like, do you feel like 424 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: I put you out there a lot? And they're like, oh, 425 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: my daughter goes sometimes Grandma posts a picture that I 426 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: really hate. But they also don't understand that if my 427 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: mom posts a picture, she only has her small friend 428 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: group that sees it. You know, it's not your reach, right, 429 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, trust me, we saw that and that was it. 430 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, my mom's gonna call me after this and go, 431 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: what are you saying? I don't have a good Facebook. 432 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: But but I do think that there is this there's 433 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: a different level of pressure that everybody is feeling, like 434 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: if I see something, then I have to be living 435 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: that that's not real. I mean, Beckham's life was not 436 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: real life. And in the back of my mind, we 437 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: all knew that, right. 438 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think that that's something that people 439 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 3: need to consider that someone hosted. So in the Orthodox 440 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: Jewish world, which I'm a part of, this past week 441 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: was a break week. They don't take breaks during Christmas, 442 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: New year's They usually do it like the third week 443 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: of January, and so somebody posted, you know, let's normalize 444 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: no one going away for this week, and I was like, 445 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: it's not your business what other people do, and it's 446 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 3: not your concern what other people do. Just if you're 447 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: not going, you don't need it. You don't need everyone 448 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: else to normalize it for you. You can just normalize it 449 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: for yourself. But I think this is the problem of 450 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: social media, is that people feel external pressure and they 451 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 3: they transform that into internal pressure and you kind of 452 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 3: just as as an adult on social media, you just 453 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: have to fight that urge. What other people do doesn't 454 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: affect me. It doesn't impact me. I'm not a not 455 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: a better or worse person because I do this and 456 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: they do that, Like it's not it's this adage that 457 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: I feel like our kids didn't grow up hearing like 458 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: just because your friend jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge doesn't 459 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: mean you do too. I don't I feel like I 460 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: hear that anymore, and our kids need to start hearing it. 461 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that absolutely is true, and I do think that 462 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: there is a lot of I think that's even where 463 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: some of this pressure has come to. I mean that's 464 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: what we're hearing in the transgender world. It's like, if 465 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: you don't fit in, this is a place you can 466 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: fit in. And these are pressures that kids have never 467 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: had before. They certainly haven't been able to connect with someone. 468 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: And you know, if they're in Michigan, they don't generally 469 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: connect with someone in California outside of a social media 470 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: world where you can get into a really dark place. 471 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: But to a certain extent, we are all guilty of 472 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: this and obviously not changing our bodies. But you know, 473 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: you see the perfect house and you're like, oh, gosh, 474 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: I didn't make that fancy dinner for my kids. You know, 475 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: we ate at Chick fil A last night, and then 476 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: you have to and I allow myself to kind of 477 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: get consumed by this guilt, like I'm trying to work 478 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: and do this and do that, and am I not enough? 479 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: Do not? 480 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: That to me is where then you can have these 481 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: family these family feuds that kind of pile on, because 482 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: I do think there is a mother in law daughter 483 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: in law history from the beginning of time where it 484 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: is easy to allow yourself to go I'm not doing enough, 485 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: and then hearing that message from another family member that 486 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: can kind of explode that relationship. Yeah. 487 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean there's been this like really disturbing, in 488 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: my opinion, explosion of estrangement. And I haven't seen statistics, 489 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: and I've actually looked for statistics, and. 490 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: I haven't seen them. 491 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 3: And I wonder how much of it is silly and 492 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: you know, the therapy talk that a lot of people do, 493 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 3: like I'm just protecting my peace and da and I 494 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: know people who like they have a family estrangement because 495 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 3: of those nonsense reasons. Most of them are political, and 496 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: I wonder how much of it is you know, people 497 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: of our generation pushing back on like entitled crazy boomers 498 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: who were just like you know, in their in their time, 499 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: their mother and father could treat them like insane garbage 500 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 3: and you just had to swallow and take it. And 501 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: I think our generation are sort of like reasserting some 502 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 3: healthy boundaries. So I wonder there's I mean, there's no 503 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: way to know like what percentage of this explosion and 504 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: I do think it's an explosion, but again there's no data. 505 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: Is nonsense, superficial and how much of it is you know, 506 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 3: right right and justified? And it's hard to find that 507 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 3: middle ground because everyone comes into this conversation with priors 508 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: of knowing, well, you know this person, I know this person. 509 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: I know this person, and I happen to know both 510 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: and so you know, it's it's hard to it. It's 511 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: hard to pinpoint, you know, on a story like David 512 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: and Victoria Beckham with Brooklyn, like, what was this justified? 513 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, And there are two sides of the story. 514 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 515 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. I wonder if it has anything 516 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: to do with Maybe not, but I'd love your take 517 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: on this. The difference, the age difference that we're seeing 518 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: in people who had kids older and so their kids 519 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: are much younger, so they've lived a much longer life. 520 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I was talking to my mom about this the other 521 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: day and she was like, I'm now at a point 522 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: where things that your grandparents were annoyed with me about 523 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: and I couldn't understand. I get because my life is 524 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot to like, I've aged into that group and 525 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: when I was young, just a little thing. When I 526 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: was young, my mom took the railings off of the 527 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: stairs to the basement because she's like, I don't like 528 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: the aesthetic, like I don't like the look of them, 529 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, and she's and so my grandparents came to know, 530 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: what the heck? We can't walk down these stairs. My 531 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: mom was like, that's ridiculous. Why And she said to 532 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: me the other day, I cannot believe. I couldn't understand that, 533 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't walk down the stairs without holding 534 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the railing. Now, and I just wonder if this is 535 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: as we as we have babies later in life, if 536 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: we are so far apart generally generationally that we see 537 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: things differently. 538 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. 539 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 3: I mean I think about like with my my husband 540 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: doesn't call his parents enough. I never realized that until 541 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: I had a son, and then I started saying to 542 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: my husband, I was like, can we model calling your 543 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 3: parents much more frequently? And I'd like you to call 544 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: your parents, but also can you do that in front 545 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 3: of our children, especially our sons. There's a lot of 546 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: things about my in laws that I now understand as 547 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: a parent. My parents have passed away, you know, twenty 548 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: years ago, so I've never I don't have that perspective 549 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: of having parents of my own as an adult. But 550 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: there's so many things that I'm. 551 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: Like, I I can see where they were. 552 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Coming from now in a way that I couldn't ten 553 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 3: years ago. But I you know, it's it's it's an 554 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: interesting situation because you know, people are not having children. 555 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: I think that that's a lot of it too, is that, like, 556 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: you know, the estrangements that are superficial that I you know, 557 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: the friends of mine that have these estrangements, the person 558 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: who's doing the estranging doesn't have children, and I think 559 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: they're there is something to that that they don't have 560 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 3: that added necessary perspective of having kids. And it really 561 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: it changes your whole way of being and thinking and 562 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: living when you have kids. And I hated when people 563 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: would say that before I had kids, because I. 564 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: Was like, oh, I like, I get it, I get it. 565 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: You're so much smarter, You're so much more, you have 566 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: so much more perspective. And now I'm like, oh, yeah, 567 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: yeah they did. 568 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: Actually that's yes, I and that's and I obviously I 569 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: don't pretend to be in the Beckham family and understand this, 570 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: but I also look at him coming out of I mean, 571 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: they built, they did build a brand. It is something 572 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: that could have fallen off. Not many footballers could continue 573 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: to do. Spice, who cares about Posh Spice exactly. 574 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: They still do. 575 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: Right there there was I mean, I can't even name 576 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: any of the other Spice girls. You know, I don't 577 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: know what happened to them, because nothing happened to them, 578 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: but they you had to do what they did. You 579 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: had to fight to keep that brand going. And I 580 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: say that from the perspective of someone who came out 581 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,239 Speaker 1: of a world of business and ran for office and 582 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: then was like, Okay, that didn't go the way I 583 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: was hoping it would go, went back to the business world, 584 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: and the business world literally a quote is we can't 585 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: hire you, We can't have an outed Republican in our office. 586 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: And having this moment of going, how do I bring 587 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: you money? Like what is the answer now to making 588 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: sure my kids are taken care of? 589 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 3: Like? 590 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: How badly did I screw this up? So and obviously 591 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: they're on a much bigger scale than that. They have 592 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: a lot more money and a lot more opportunity, but 593 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: they had to fight for that opportunity. There's no question 594 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: in my mind that when he stopped playing soccer and 595 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: she stopped singing, that they went we have to keep 596 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: doing something to keep this going. And when you are 597 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: a young kid, and Brooklyn is only like twenty one 598 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: years old. He is young, so he's a young romantic 599 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: kid obviously getting married young, which I think is a 600 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: but also there's a naivete to that, and I think 601 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: that's also a moment where you are in this there's 602 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: a point in your life, in every kid's life where 603 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: you open your eyes and Gough, I thought my parents 604 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: knew everything and they don't know everything. 605 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think also, I mean, he never watched 606 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: his parents have to fight. By the time he was 607 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: conscious of yes, note which is only fifteen years his 608 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: parents there was nothing that they had to explain. And 609 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: so this is something that I struggle with because I 610 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: grew up very very poor. My parents died when I 611 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 3: was sixteen and nineteen. I grew up in a trailer park, 612 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: like really very poor. My kids are very very lucky, 613 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: and they have no idea because they have no perspective 614 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: because they're like, well, yeah, this is just this is 615 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: what we do. We go to sleep away camp. 616 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: I went. 617 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: I brought my kid to the orthodontas today for braces, 618 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: and they asked me did you have did you and 619 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: your husband have braces? And I so well, my husband 620 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: did because he grew up middle class. I wasn't rich 621 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: enough for braces. If my mom brought me in and 622 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: they said it was two thousand dollars for an expander 623 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: and be like, oh, well, good luck and I hope 624 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: it works out. And that was the answer to like 625 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: dental care as and but my kids are so entitled. 626 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, of course our parents are going to 627 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: get us prices. 628 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, you have no idea, right, no idea right. 629 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: So I do think that, I mean, to even become 630 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: what the Spice girls were, there was a lot of fight. 631 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: There had to be a lot of pulling yourself and 632 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: to become the soccer player that David Beckham was, he 633 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: had to really, I mean he must have had to 634 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: put in so many hours of fight just to get 635 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: on that team, to keep going, to become the best. 636 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: You know, there's a perspective that the children haven't seen. 637 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: And in no way am I defending you know, the 638 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: weird dance at the wedding or anything like that, but 639 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I do think that that can also get in your 640 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: head because you're like, I know what it's like to 641 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: have nothing, so I can't let this go and I 642 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: have to keep fighting for this brand, and they may 643 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: have taken that too far. I just wonder at some 644 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: point does Brooklyn himself go, Okay, maybe they were obsessed, 645 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: but they had their reasons. 646 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you know why he's named Brooklyn? No? 647 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: So, No, I feel like I'm about to get schooled. No. 648 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: No, So. 649 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: I think it actually lends credence though to Brooklyn, being 650 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: like maybe they were a little too much. He was 651 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: conceived in Brooklyn, ew ew and so this was I 652 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: knew this about Brooklyn when he would like the day 653 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: he was born, They're like, well, that's where he was 654 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: conceived because such a or such a Randez family that like, 655 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: and I will tell everyone. 656 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, you know, maybe he has. 657 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: Like kind of a point that like there was a 658 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: line and it's behind them, And I just so I 659 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: the things that I hear from the Beckhams themselves kind 660 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: of I'm like, well, yeah, maybe maybe he had a point. 661 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they could be worth like three hundred million 662 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: instead of six hundred million. And everyone didn't need to 663 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: know that he was conceived in Brooklyn. 664 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: That's true. So our takeaways from this just for the audience, 665 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: because I do think this is. This estrangement is getting 666 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: more popular. This is and from what I'm hearing from 667 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: my mom's generation, there's kind of a panic about it 668 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: because they're also at the point where obviously you at 669 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: some point need your family around you when you get older. 670 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: And I can tell from what my mom and her 671 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: friends are talking about, there's this panic of are you 672 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: going to just abandon me? So what are our takeaways 673 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: from this? Don't exploit your kids, don't put them out there, 674 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: don't embarrass them. 675 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but also teach them that, like, like being their 676 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: parent is a gift. I always say to my kids 677 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: every single day, I am so blessed to be your mom. 678 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful to be your mom, and that like 679 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: that's part of that positive thinking and that inculcation that 680 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm trying to push my kids, like lean into positivity, 681 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: lead into gratefulness and gratitude and all of those things, 682 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 3: and show them that family is a joy and a 683 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: source of joy. And I'm hoping that, like I get 684 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 3: a lot of grandkids out of it, that's the end 685 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: goal here. So show some gratitude for your kids and 686 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: model that for them. And you know, call if men 687 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 3: all your male listeners like call your parents in front 688 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: of your children. 689 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: That is so true. It's so funny though, because I 690 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: feel the same way. I have these same conversations, and 691 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: I wonder how many other parents have these same conversations 692 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: where I'm like, God blessed me when he gave you 693 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: to me. I'm so happy that you get to live 694 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: here with me, and I feel like they're like your 695 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: psych go you know. But I want them to know 696 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: that I do. I adore them. I think they're amazing. 697 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: And that's that is the other message that I feel 698 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: like we if we keep that message going with our kids, 699 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: and we keep that message going on social media, then 700 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: there's kind of this contagious feeling of why I want that. 701 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: I want to know what that's like as a mom, 702 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: and it's unlike anything else you'll ever experience. But I 703 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: could honestly talk to you for another hour. It's been 704 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: so fun. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. 705 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Well we're just going to 706 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: have to do this again. 707 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely, Bethany Mandel, thank you. I really appreciate it. 708 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you all for joining us on 709 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always, you can subscribe at 710 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: tutor dixonpodcast dot com. You can get it on the 711 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 712 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: And you can always watch us on Rumble or YouTube 713 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: at tutor Dixon. But most importantly, have a blessed day.