1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: The rex was not chasing the jeep. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Murray, Murray, you there. You love sandwiches. Huh, let's go 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: to eighty. 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: He was wow that Prime Time. Maybe I had a 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: crush on Betty Rubble. 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black. 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: He caught them the game last night, although they won 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: the game. You're listening just to goatsen company. 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: Another night game, another comeback? Yeah, another raise your hand 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 3: if you watched it. Wow, we all watched it. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm putting my hand halfway up. 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 4: I mean wow, I get it down. 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I didn't go full extension. 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: You were waiting to see what the rest of the 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: group was doing, and then you just joined in. 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I believe. Well, I knew. 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: I had an idea that Taylor had stayed up for 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: that game because he's young. 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Mikey A is my age, so I figured he fell asleep. 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's one thing though, I didn't stay awake for 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 5: Viking Spares. I stayed awake because I had fantasy implication implications. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: And I need to watch that so happened. I watched 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 4: to come back? 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, well what part did you stop? 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: Stud Guys, do you think currently that Caleb Williams is 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: the best quarterback in the NFL? Because then I know 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: when you stopped? 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Oh do not? 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: I think he's you know, he came out of the gates. 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: He looked like he was fixed by Ben Johnson, right in. 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 6: A good way, not like castrated or anything like he. 35 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Was for the first quarter. I'm thinking of his kicks. 36 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: Fixed in terms of quarterback play on the field. So 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: at the end of the first half, I said, wow, 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: Caleb might be a. 39 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Top ten quarterback. One day. Right when I went to sleep, 40 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: he was outside of my top fifteen. 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: Just wow, So where do you land right now? So 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: he's definitely outside the top fifteen. He was hovering in 43 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: the top ten for a minute or you thought maybe 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: he could be a top ten. 45 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: I was thinking potentially down the road with this guy 46 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: as their head coach, he could be a top ten quarterback. 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: So I went to sleep with Caleb Williams slightly outside. 48 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: My top fifteen. 49 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: I also want to sleep thinking JJ McCarthy was never 50 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: going to be good and never entering my top fifteen. 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: I woke up this morning and boom, there he is 52 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: in my top fifteen. 53 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's have that commed. 54 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 6: Let's go half by half because at halftime, I. 55 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: Think everybody was right there with you. I think we 56 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: saw Caleb Williams. What was it ten for ten? It 57 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: was a perfect start to the season, which is crazy. 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: Looked good, ran the ball well. And when you talk 59 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: about a really good offensive coordinator and Ben Jonson now 60 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: head coach, he's play calling, right or do you have 61 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: a different play caller. 62 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: Yes, he's play. 63 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: So you have him. 64 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: You know that offense, at least script wise, is going 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: to be ready early on. 66 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: They're going to know exactly what they're going to do. 67 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams could probably have the throws in his head 68 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: already for the first drive. When you start going past 69 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: those first couple of drives, then things get a little 70 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: shit right. Then you're just like, okay, it's not scripted anymore. 71 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 3: We're kind of not necessarily flying by the seat of 72 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: your pants. 73 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: But you're just going with what works. 74 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of adjustments from the defense, and 75 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: so there's you know, nuance and little things that you 76 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: have to do differently. Caleb Williams didn't look very good 77 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: after that start, and I'm of the opinion that just 78 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: give him some time with Ben Johnson, they'll clean all 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: that up. Like the first game with no preseason really 80 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: because it's just as Stue said, it's three games, it's 81 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: gonna be one game soon, it's probably gonna be zero. 82 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: You have to get some of this out in that 83 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: first game. It just so happens that JJ McCarthy turned 84 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: into like Joe Montana at the area, but Caleb first second, like, 85 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: I'm more encouraged by the first half of the first 86 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 3: quarter and a half of Caleb Williams than I am 87 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: discouraged by the end of that game. 88 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 5: It seems like Caleb Williams is almost the opposite of 89 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 5: Josh Allen. Like when Josh Allen was scripted in the beginning, 90 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 5: it was kind of like, oh, this doesn't look as good, 91 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: and then when he went to play backyard ball it 92 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: was great. Whereas Caleb Williams, it feels like when he 93 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 5: was scripted, everything was great. And the problem is, I 94 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 5: don't know, it's almost like you have to get Caleb 95 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: Williams out of being Caleb Williams. 96 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: You have to get him to be an extension of 97 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson. 98 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: Essentially, Well, you can't script at all, is that what 99 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: you're saying? Like, he can't to go by feel at 100 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: some point in the game. 101 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: You know, at some point he has to take all 102 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 5: those instincts he has of running backwards and I'm gonna 103 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 5: play hero ball and run around and make the throw. 104 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 5: I'll say this for Caleb Williams, he might be top 105 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: three hardest player in the NFL to sack. He was 106 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: dead that the defense had him dead to rights like 107 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: three times, and he just disappeared and and still made 108 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 5: a throw. 109 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 4: My problem is the throw was terrible. 110 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and well get that out of him. Yes, yeah, 111 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: the throw being terrible. Well, the throw is the most 112 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: important part, So that is corse. But is it tailor 113 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: is the throw the most important part? 114 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 7: Also put it on the p Is it a moral 115 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 7: victory for Bears fans today that Cayle William's top three 116 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 7: hardest players to sack. 117 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: Raised the banner we lost the game. Put you to 118 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: sack our quarterback. 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: Now, let's let's look at that other quarterback, JJ McCarthy, because. 120 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Man, great quarterback hare. 121 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: Wow, there's so much like contradiction about him to me, 122 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: like he's got the crazy EyeBlack, which makes you think, Wow, 123 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: this guy's wild and crazy. Did you listen to his 124 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: postgame interview, It was I mean the Ryan Tannehill PhD. 125 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 3: Of not saying anything, like nothing at all. 126 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: Is he if you had seen beforehand? 127 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 5: He says, when he puts on the EyeBlack and steps 128 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 5: on the field, he becomes a warrior, he's he becomes 129 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 5: a different guy. 130 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: He becomes an alter ego. 131 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 5: So when you saw the postgame interview, the EyeBlack was, 132 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 5: you know, we're now back to JJ. 133 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: But he doesn't turn into that person. 134 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: Didn't you see the clips and half did you see 135 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: the clip of a training cap one of his olignments saying, hey, 136 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: we get back in the huddle next time. 137 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Give us some juice like and people were like, WHOA like? 138 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy doesn't have the leadership skills, He doesn't have 139 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: the voice for people to follow. And now all of 140 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: a sudden, you're telling me he puts on the eye 141 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: black and he's different. 142 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Nah, he was that same guy. 143 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: He looked super timid early on, and just I did 144 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: not see him as being the guy and then the 145 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: second half happened. 146 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, then the third quarter happened. 147 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: He still wasn't the guy, but then the fourth quarter happened, 148 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: and he turned into the guy. And then, as Mikey 149 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: pointed out, he went back to JJ McCarthy in the postgame. 150 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: But I do think the eye black helps. 151 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: I do, I do when you don't have a personality, 152 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: I black like that helps, Like it's overboard. But he 153 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: needs it to be overboard because he doesn't have leadership qualities. 154 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 7: I mean, so, I have JJ McCarthy's stat line from 155 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 7: the fourth quarter, and then a stat about his stat 156 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 7: line in the fourth quarter. He was six of eight, 157 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 7: one hundred and one total yards, three total touchdowns, and 158 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 7: a one hundred and forty nine point five passer rating. 159 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 7: And JJ McCarthy is the first player in NFL history 160 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 7: to have three touchdowns in the fourth quarter of their 161 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 7: NFL debut. 162 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, a couple of stats cutting it up. How 163 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: about that? Does that put to bed the first three quarters? 164 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: Are we calling JJ McCarthy a quick learner and he 165 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: struggled early and figured it out in the fourth or 166 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: we're going to see a. 167 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 6: Lot more of the struggles from him. 168 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with last night's performance 169 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: other than the fourth quarter was wildly impressive. To do 170 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: that your first start on the road against Chicago. You're 171 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: down going into the fourth quarter. I think he just 172 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: threw a pick six, right, and so what. 173 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: A terrible throw. That was terrible descrision. 174 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: Like when he threw that pick six, I was like, 175 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: this guy's garbage, Like he's terrible. 176 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: Right, but is he? 177 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Here's what I know the Vikings if he's going to 178 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: be like the guy we saw in the fourth quarter 179 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: or somewhere between the guy and the fourth quarter and 180 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: the first three quarters, right, they have the most important 181 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: position in sports on a rookie contract, you know, and 182 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: that's super important. That's how you win today in the NFL. 183 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: I mean it's not the only way, but it's one 184 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: of the ways that teams have had success by having 185 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: that guy at such a cheap price. 186 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: So if he's good. 187 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: And continues to get better, the Vikings have something there, right, 188 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: because you have that guy at the most important position 189 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: in sports. And if he's just good, just good, merely good, 190 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: but that head coach and that roster, then they have 191 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: themselves a bargain. 192 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: How often do we see this, like I know what 193 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers sat for multiple years? 194 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 6: Three seasons, was it before? 195 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: He's behind four of percent? Yeah yeah, and two seasons, 196 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: I believe two seasons. 197 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 6: And so you had JJ one season sitting right. 198 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, not by choice though, I mean, you know you 199 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: have the injury. 200 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: So do we see that very often where somebody a 201 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: high draft pick comes in second round or second season 202 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: and then absolutely just turns it on from there. I 203 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: know there were a lot of people last season going 204 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: into this season really speaking highly of JJ McCarthy and 205 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 3: started talking in terms of I heard of Tom Brady 206 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: comparison at some point. Obviously there's the Michigan connection and 207 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: the hair. I don't want to be like too soon 208 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 3: to judge, but I just don't think he has it, 209 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: Like I think that fourth quarter is an anomaly. I 210 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: think the Bears, you know, I think they have great 211 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: f and wide receivers, and I just don't see it 212 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: in him. I don't know what that one great quality is. 213 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: I don't see him reading the field very well. Obviously 214 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: that pick six was terrible. I don't see him moving 215 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: around very well. He's got a decent arm, can make 216 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: all the throws. But I just don't know what his 217 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: main strength is. However, I could have said the same 218 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: thing about Tom Brady the first time I saw him. 219 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, But there's also the fact that he was 220 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: without his all pro left tackle and that that Vikings 221 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 5: offensive line was making the Bears defensive line look like 222 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 5: the eighty five Bears. I mean, those are some mediocre 223 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: pass rushers that were getting home really quick against that 224 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 5: Vikings o line. 225 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: By the way, something is sitting? 226 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 5: Is he? 227 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: Is that what you're getting at? 228 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry? Is there something? Do you think there's something 229 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: to Because Patrick Mahomes sat for a year right behind 230 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: Alex Smith. 231 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: I think so. 232 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: And that's the best one, right, That's they knew he 233 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: was so good that they didn't even worry about Alex 234 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: Smith anymore. It's like, all right, we're going with this guy. 235 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: He's amazing. The terrible job by Yanthy Reid. 236 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: There's hell was he thinking there's no chance that Minnesota said, 237 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: oh yeah, we got the guy, like we've got the 238 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: guy in JJ McCarthy. 239 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 6: Year two is going to be just like Patrick Mahomes, 240 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 6: is he? 241 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 7: I think the best compliment that you could give to 242 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 7: somebody like JJ McCarthy when you're looking at like what 243 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 7: does he do? Well, he's just kind of a gamer, 244 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 7: and you if you watched him at Michigan, he was 245 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 7: twenty seven and one as a starter at Michigan, and 246 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 7: a lot of that feels like Jim Harball was doing, 247 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 7: you know, things to hide JJ McCarthy in that Michigan offense. 248 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 7: But then every time he needs JJ McCarthy to make 249 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 7: a play when he was with the Wolverines, he did 250 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 7: make plays. So I think that it's kind of a balance, 251 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 7: Like I don't think JJ McCarthy has the skill set 252 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 7: to be a top five, top ten quarterback in the NFL, 253 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 7: but his skill set is the ideal skill set for 254 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 7: somebody who can be a game manager, especially with somebody 255 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 7: when you pair him with Kevin O'Connell who's supposed to 256 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 7: be this quarterback whisper. 257 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's a Stue's point, like, if you already have 258 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: the receiver talent, if you protect him very well, all 259 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: out of Tom Brady, you know, goal number one, priority 260 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: number one, protect that man. If he can then follow 261 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: the game plan, make the plays, be the gamer that 262 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: you're talking about, then great, that's his thing. 263 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 6: How long can that last? 264 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: If as Stu said, when he does finally make that 265 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: money and they don't have money to spend everywhere else, 266 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: will he then have developed into a guy that can 267 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: carry a team, or will he then be the guy 268 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: with no protection? And it's just like, Hey, we're seeing 269 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, a say I'm Darnold type or a Kirk 270 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: Cousins ceiling type with him. I don't know if that's 271 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: the case. There's just something about him that doesn't scream leader, 272 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: doesn't scream follow me. And maybe, but maybe he's just 273 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: fitting into a box right now and this is what 274 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: he thinks he's supposed to do. 275 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't leadership come in all forms? Like maybe 276 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: maybe you're right about what it is you're saying he 277 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: doesn't display the normal leadership qualities. But I guarantee you 278 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: after that fourth quarter, right leading by example and getting 279 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: the result. I guarantee you after that fourth quarter, his 280 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: teammates have his back. Maybe through the first three quarters, 281 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: if you asked them after the third quarter, hey, is 282 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: this your guy, they'd probably all tell you no, But 283 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: after that fourth quarter they'd be like, Nah, he's our guy, 284 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: and he's our guy for life. 285 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: You know, That's how football is if. 286 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 5: You're a Vikings fan or a Vikings player, you saw 287 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 5: him probably as bad as he could be. I mean, 288 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 5: after that pick six and just they were unable to 289 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: move the ball and up bouncing still bounce back, Like 290 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: that's a guy. You're like, Okay, I'm I'm feeling good 291 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: about this now because it almost feels like we're never 292 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: out of it at this point, right. 293 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: I think that's such a great quality in an athlete, 294 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: the ability to do something really bad on a field 295 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: in front of a whole bunch of people and let 296 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: it go and come back and just play your game. 297 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: Because everyone is wired differently. 298 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: You know that, even at the highest level of professional sports. 299 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: That's a great point. 300 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: I was listening to a clip from Bomani's podcast where 301 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: he might have sounded like, ironically an old white guy 302 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 3: when he said he doesn't like these quarterbacks who draw 303 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: attention to themselves. He's like, the quarterback position is a 304 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: different position. You just gotta be the quarterback and do 305 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: all the you know, the cliche stuff. And it feels 306 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: like JJ McCarthy is just listening. He's just like, all right, 307 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: I might be somebody totally different, but in this role, 308 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: this is who I have to be, and I'm starting now. 309 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to play mister stereotype cliche quarterback and just 310 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: judge me by the results. And it feels like so 311 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: far he's doing a pretty decent job. 312 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: Of that theory on quarterbacks, and it's proven true more 313 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: times than not. 314 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 5: That is the guy that has been told since middle 315 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 5: school that you are great, you are the best there is, 316 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 5: and has always been treated like that usually ends up 317 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: failing when they get to the NFL because they've never 318 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 5: overcome that adversity. 319 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing with Kayle Williams. 320 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams is one of those guys that forever has 321 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 5: just been more talented than those around him, and then 322 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 5: he gets to the NFL and oh, shocking, everybody's talented here. 323 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: So I always think it's the guys. 324 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: Like the JJ McCarthy that maybe wasn't the top guy, 325 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 5: that always do better because they know how to take 326 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 5: a punch and come back. 327 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: Stu. 328 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 7: If the Vikings called the Bears today and offered JJ 329 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 7: McCarthy for Caleb Williams, who says, no, Ben Johnson might 330 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 7: take it. 331 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson will So this is interesting because Kevin O'Connell 332 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: is approaching that rarefied air where we're starting to call 333 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: him a quarterback whisper, So if he wants to get 334 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: rid of JJ McCarthy, it wants Caleb Williams. 335 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I would not answer that phone. I just want it. 336 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I think yes. I don't think anybody says not to that. 337 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: Here's an interesting wait. Wait, you think the Vikings say 338 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: yes to that? 339 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: You think the that call would have to be initiated 340 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: by the Chicago Bears. 341 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: There's no way that Kevin O'Connell's picking up a phone today. 342 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: What a ridiculous comb But if you. 343 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: If what you're saying is true, is Caleb Williams has 344 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: the better skill set, So just whisper in his ear, 345 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 3: tell him how to use it? 346 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Right? Right? Make anyone good? Right? How come Ben Johnson? 347 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: Is it doing that? Though? I mean. 348 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: It's it's game one, like you said, the first ten 349 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: throws MVP like the guy looked great. 350 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, Stu, you've been driving around this morning. Have you 351 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 7: heard any Ben Johnson criticism? Because he he is not 352 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 7: without blame in that fourth quarter where there's there's two 353 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 7: O two left on the clock after the Bears cut 354 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 7: it to three. Yeah, one time out and they're banking 355 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 7: on the two minute the two minute warning, Cayrol Santos 356 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 7: Ben Johnson tells him, hey, kick it through the end zone. 357 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 7: We can't have them return it. He doesn't kick it 358 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 7: through the end zone. Todd Chandler gets the ball and 359 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 7: he looks at the sideline to Kevin O'Connell to see 360 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 7: should I take this out? And Kevin O'Connell's like, yes, yes, yes. 361 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 7: He takes it out to about like one fifty five 362 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 7: on the clock, So now the Bears only have one 363 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 7: time out. The two minute warning has passed on the kickoff, 364 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 7: and then the Bears get the ball with like, you know, 365 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 7: thirty seconds left. 366 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: And it felt like. 367 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: Den He's tell him to kick it through, and just 368 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: the kicker didn't. 369 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: You have to know, you have to know your kicker 370 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: can't do that. 371 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: Just kick it out a bounder kicker, you do. 372 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 7: Just kick it out of bounce, take the forty take 373 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 7: the penalty on the forty. 374 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: D the detail type shit the head coach needs to know. 375 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, is it is it. 376 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: Difficult now to kick the ball into the end zone 377 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: from where they kick it. 378 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: I thought all kickers could do that. 379 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 4: I think they moved it back. Since then, I think 380 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: they moved. 381 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 6: I thought they just on a t I thought they 382 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 6: could kick that thing. 383 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: Eighty yards if they really would you really, I meaneive 384 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 3: I think so, like if you're you're thinking, if you're 385 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: in the. 386 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: NFL, you should be able to kick it through the 387 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: end zone. Otherwise you should be in the NFL, right right? 388 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I wasn't paying that close attention. 389 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: To the now there was Ben Johnson, I mean. 390 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 4: Not for nothing. 391 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 5: The Bears especially, I think they'd sacrifice distance for a 392 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 5: little bit of accuracy when it comes to their kicker, 393 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 5: considering some past doink issues. 394 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: You know, is he The other thing I think we're 395 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 2: leaving out of this conversation is just how talented Now 396 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: we don't pay attention to some of these guys, but 397 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: just how talented the Vikings roster is, because look how 398 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: good that team was last year with Sam Donald, Sam Darnald, 399 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: I know, he had a good year. 400 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Was not as good towards the end, and. 401 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: But they ended up having I think it was fourteen 402 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: and three was their record, so they had a really 403 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: good season. 404 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: He's a good coach. They have a talented roster, so you. 405 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: Have to take that into consideration when you're evaluating JJ McCarthy. 406 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: Speaking to quarterbacks. 407 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: I was listening to something yesterday because Anthony and I 408 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: were getting into this debate about twenty nineteen LSU versus 409 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 3: two thousand and one Hurricanes, and I was saying, LSU 410 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: probably wins that game, or they had the more impressive 411 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 3: season than you did. You had the craziest roster, I 412 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: would say, ever, but LSU had the most impressive season. 413 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 3: Greeney was voicing this piece on it that I went 414 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: back and watched, and he was basically making the case 415 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: for LSU it's the greatest team ever. And he had 416 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 3: said there were four teams that were undefeated when they 417 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: played LSU, and they beat them all by twenty and 418 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: those were the only games that those teams lost all 419 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: year long. 420 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: And I was like, that's wild. And within that whole. 421 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 6: Soliloquy monologue, whatever the heck it was, he. 422 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: Said they beat Alabama with Tua and I was on 423 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: the road, and the way he said with Tua just 424 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: reminded me how much of a non like can't miss 425 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: prospect he was, even definitely before the hip injury. And 426 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 3: then to look where he is now, where I think 427 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: the entire league thinks it's just a matter of time 428 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: before he's done, because while he used to get compliments 429 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: about getting rid of the ball quickly, that's more of 430 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: a product of the offense than. 431 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 6: It is to his ability to read who's open immediately. 432 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: Because if he could do that, he could do that 433 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: in any offense, right, he could have done that in 434 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: floor as his offense, whoever's offense that was. And so 435 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: I'm asking you, guys, what you think Tua is particularly 436 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: good at. What you think he can lean on as 437 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: a quarterback that would gain the respect of his teammates 438 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: and change everybody's mind around the league and say, oh no, 439 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: he's still got a future, because right now, game one 440 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: of year six, it feels like everybody's saying he's done. 441 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: Like the idea that the Dolphins have to rebuild does 442 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 3: not include another team coming in and getting Tua and 443 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: being excited about it. 444 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 4: Nobody. 445 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: This is a guy too, who made Jalen Hurts transfer 446 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: to Oklahoma. Like that's that's that's what Tua is. That's 447 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: that's what Tua was supposed to be. People were tanking 448 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: for Tua, uh if you remember, And so, yeah, he 449 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: was supposed to be. I don't have the answer for 450 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: you other than a better offensive line, like. 451 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's for one. 452 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 3: But I haven't even seen his ability to sit back 453 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: in the pocket with time now find a good little 454 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: panicky in there. So even when he's got a clean pocket, 455 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: sometimes he's sort of shifting and maybe doesn't have to move. 456 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: And let's be honest, how often does he really have 457 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: a clean pocket? 458 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: Like? 459 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: And I think once that does start to collapse, he 460 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 3: doesn't maneuver within it very well. He's probably afraid of 461 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: the head injuries. 462 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: Who wouldn't be. 463 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 6: And leadership wise, like he's. 464 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 3: Very much like the JJ McCarthy cliche, will say the 465 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: cliche things to just you know, move along, but he'll 466 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: also just let some stuff out like his discussion well 467 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: Brown Tyreek Hill feels like it's him trying to take 468 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: ownership of that team. And I just don't see people 469 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: following him. I just don't see you saw what's his 470 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 3: name from the cornerback who used to be in Miami? 471 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Who Jayalen Ramsey, the other one the other one where 472 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: he's and you wonder why our defensive backfield is so bad? 473 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and I just called them us and I'm 474 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: not a Dolphins fan. 475 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: One of my dad was so good when he was here, 476 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: but he said they put Tua into panic mode. So 477 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: this is a guy who's been on his team, who's 478 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: played against him in practices, who knows that there's a 479 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 3: panic one where he said his eyes were darting all 480 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: over the place. How are you like going through your 481 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: progressions if you're if you're all over here, you know 482 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: what I mean? 483 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: And so I think the league is onto him. 484 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: He is I wouldn't even say a one trick pony, 485 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: but if he has a one trick pony, that one 486 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 3: trick is just get the ball out quick. 487 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the league is onto to Tua. 488 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 2: And on to what Mike McDaniel did with Tua, because 489 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: coming off the head injuries, all Mike McDaniel did was 490 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: put in an offense that was based on timing, protect 491 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 2: to a three step drop, get rid of the football, 492 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: wattle hill over the middle, and it looked great for 493 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: half a season. They were the talk of the NFL. 494 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: But then the rest of the NFL figured it out. 495 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: They figured the entire thing out too. It is not 496 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: comfortable if you get pressure onto it. He doesn't want 497 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: to run around, he doesn't want to roll out. He 498 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: wants to take a three step drop and deliver the football. 499 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: And if he can't, he becomes uncomfortable. 500 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 5: I mean, after those concussions, what Xavi and Howard said 501 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 5: was we took away his first read. And if there's 502 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: one thing to it does not want, it is to 503 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 5: be hit. And when you take away his first read, 504 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 5: now that ups the chances of you getting hit. And 505 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: then you take into a fact that Tyreek Hill isn't 506 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 5: quite as quick as he used to be, where you 507 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 5: could be like one, two three, my guy's not there, 508 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 5: chuck it up. 509 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: Tyreek will get there. You can't do those things. 510 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: To look quicker on the Chiefs, I guarantee it. 511 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: I mean, well he's. 512 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: In on the ball tale and well Tyreek Hill looked 513 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: quicker on the Chiefs. Go ahead? Isn't it just quarterbacking 514 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: one oh one? 515 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: Like? 516 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: If you can't do much after your first raid is gone, 517 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: what the hell are you? 518 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Like? What are you good for? I mean, you need 519 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the you need the coach in. 520 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: Your helmet every time telling you which way to look 521 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: like you should be able to go through your progressions. 522 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: And I just don't see him doing that very often. 523 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, no, but we're one right, go ahead, Mike, we're 524 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: one game. 525 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's a but this is not 526 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: based on this one game. This is not based on 527 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 3: years of watching Tua. I will say this. When he 528 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: first got onto the field for the Dolphins and you're 529 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: comparing him to Ryan Fitzpatrick, I'm not saying Ryan Fitzpatrick 530 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: was a bad quarterback. He was good for the Dolphins. 531 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: But the ball just comes out of his hand different. 532 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: And so when I saw Tua hitting these out routes, 533 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, that's a that's a nice ball 534 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: he throws. It's a little it's not like a gun, 535 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: but it's a little stronger, gets there fast enough, super 536 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: accurate on those short to intermediate ones. But then that 537 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 3: was all that I saw. I didn't see a guy 538 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: who could get out of the pocket make plays improvised, 539 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: right right, couldn't improvise whatsoever. And then you watch the 540 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 3: hard knocks and I was just like, it was a 541 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: very like happy, go lucky first half of the season. 542 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun whatever, But I would 543 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 3: love to have seen it when it was just like this, 544 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: when it was just bad all the time to see 545 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: what to what turns two personality wise, what he becomes 546 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: for other people to then say, oh, I respect that guy. 547 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: He's gonna he's gonna bring us back. He's, you know, 548 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: the most important player on the field, and we know 549 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: we've got a good one. Like nobody's saying number one 550 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: is different the way Tyreek did his first year. They 551 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: are trying to pump him up. Nobody's saying that anymore. 552 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: They're all like, all right, what do you got? 553 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: And right now it's nothing. M what are you trying 554 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: to do with Tua here? You're trying to like, look, 555 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it all out of the way 556 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: because there's no way to be benched. I me just 557 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: say it, say what you want to say. 558 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I do not want to see number zero. 559 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: That's funny. That's that's actually was number zero, Zach Wilson. Wilson, 560 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: that's actually what started Bomoni's conversation about quarterbacks being quarterback. 561 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: He's like, don't don't wear a number zero. Please, you 562 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 3: can't wear number zero. You're a zero out there like that. 563 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: That's not a quarterbacks number. Where a regular quarterback number. Man, 564 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: he sounded old. 565 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: Why'd you say, old white guy? Is that a thing 566 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: that's reserved for only white guys? Old white guys sounded 567 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: like an old white guy. 568 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: I was gonna say Bob Ryan, but then I just 569 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: went generic and said an old white guy, an old guy. 570 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 6: I should have just said speaking of old guys. 571 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: Did you see that Peyton Manning wrote a handwritten letter 572 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: to Pope Leo to try to. 573 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: Get him on the Manning Cast. 574 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: No, dude, you gotta step your game up. 575 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Man a handwritten letter the Pope. There is something about 576 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: a handwritten letter. 577 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, right, if you write a handwritten 578 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: letter to it, he might come on our show. 579 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I don't think he would, is he? 580 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 6: He loves handwritten letters, right? 581 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: But he also loves dad. 582 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 4: Who do you think? How excited do you think the 583 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: Pope was to get that? Because I'll bet you the Pope? 584 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, do you think the Pope got it? I mean, 585 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: this is awesome? 586 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 7: Right? 587 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Where do you mail? 588 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: Imagine Manning ask people. 589 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: Where do you mail? It? Is a great question. 590 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 5: He hands it to somebody and says, get this to 591 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 5: the Pope, and then somehow, within a few days it 592 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 5: gets there. 593 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: Me personally, I would just pray. I believe the message 594 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: would go from God to the Pope faster than any mail. Uh, 595 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: he's got that one line, you know, straight direct line. 596 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: Wait, so, Mikey, you have someone in the Manning camp 597 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: that that Peyton hands the letter to the handwritten note, 598 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: puts it in an envelope and says, make sure this 599 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: gets to the Pope. 600 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 4: He never he never looks up. 601 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 5: He signs the letter and goes like this, that's a 602 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 5: cop And then Cooper, Yes. 603 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: I got to read you his wish list though, oh god, 604 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: this is hope. Leo is the top of the wish list, 605 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: but it's got Tiger Woods. 606 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 6: Bradley Cooper. 607 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: Wait, this is his wish list for the Manning guest. Yes, 608 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 2: he said, Bradley Cooper. 609 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper, is the quote from Peyton Manning. 610 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: I think we did said, kind of like I failed 611 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: to recruit Randy Moss to Tennessee. I could close. I 612 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: couldn't close the Pope, but I made the effort. These 613 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: are handwritten letters. And if you're watching, your holiness, this 614 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: is an open invitation come on the show anytime. 615 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: It's you. 616 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 3: Tiger Woods, Bradley Cooper it's President Bush, it's Larry David. 617 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: Y'all are the most wanted for the Manning cast? Which 618 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: one of those is the most out of place there? 619 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: Probably President Bush? 620 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that doesn't feel Let me hear it again. 621 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: It's Tiger Woods. 622 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Bradley Cooper, right, President Bush, Larry David and 623 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: Pop Leo. 624 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Bradley Cooper. Yeah, I feel like Bradley Cooper. 625 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 6: Like we can get Bradley Cooper. 626 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: Charlie Peyton has Bradley Cooper's phone number, could probably just 627 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: call him. 628 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: If he wanted to. Somehow hasn't had him that. 629 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: There's a genius move, by the way to put that 630 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: out there on that platform, because now we'll probably get 631 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: all of those guests, like Larry David had to get 632 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: word that Peyton Manning wants him on the show, right, Yes, 633 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: good move. 634 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 6: Should we write handwritten letters to the Pope? 635 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 4: Should Taylor write them? 636 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: As Stu Gotts I would rather have. 637 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: I will do a handwritten note if you guys want, 638 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: I will not send it to the Pope. He is 639 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: now my top five in terms of guests that I 640 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: want on. But I am down to send a handwritten 641 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: note to you know, I don't know Josh Allen. 642 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, if any Mikey, there's the idea. 643 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: I am going to write a handwritten note today and 644 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: hand it to hand it to Taylor and say, make 645 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: sure this gets to Peyton Manning. 646 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 5: Okay, it would kind of be hypocritical of Manning to 647 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 5: ignore it. 648 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is it? Yes, Taylor, can you 649 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: write me a letter? Taylor, you write it. 650 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: Stu Gotts you take it, look at it, pretend you 651 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: wrote it, give it back to Taylor. 652 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Taylor will get it to Pope Manning. I will write it. 653 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: Do you guys want to make this funny though? I'm 654 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: to write the letter. I'm serious. 655 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm writing it today and someone will make sure it 656 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: gets to the Manning's Okay, Taylor, You'll make sure it gets. 657 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: To Kevin Clark. We can give it to Kevin Clark. 658 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: He's on my hot productions, right. I think Taylor might 659 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: know someone. 660 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: I think he has someone firmly entrenched in the Manning camp. 661 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I am going to write Eli. 662 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 7: Nope, I have I have people all around media in 663 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 7: camps that they don't even know they're in, right or me? 664 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: He does he really does. I mean, this person is 665 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: firmly entrenched to the manning camp. I'm telling you. In fact, 666 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: he might be the person that had to deliver the 667 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: letter to the pope. I mean, wow, yeah, I did 668 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: this guy. Would you want the pope on? 669 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 5: Uh? 670 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: Given that he said marriages between a man and a woman, 671 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: I'm an ad pass