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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Sunday, August tenth, and

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Speaker 1: the headlines flying on this day say that Halle Berry's

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Speaker 1: X in a new interview says he left her because

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Speaker 1: she didn't cook, clean and wasn't motherly. You could imagine

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Speaker 1: how he is being ripped soundly online right now. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, folks, that thing he said doesn't even

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Speaker 1: scratch the surface of his comments. And welcome to this

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Speaker 1: fired up edition of Baby and TJ. Rose. We did

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Speaker 1: not plan on recording an episode today, but I will

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Speaker 1: ask your response before we get context. If you just

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Speaker 1: see the headline that her ex husband says that she

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Speaker 1: didn't cook, she didn't clean, didn't think she was motherly,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I left her, the reaction to just

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Speaker 1: that headline without context would be.

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Speaker 2: He's an asshole, gotcha? And he is a misogynist. And

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Speaker 2: the expectations that we all have to fit into these

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Speaker 2: cookie cook cutter rolls is offensive, especially given the fact

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Speaker 2: that he chose to marry her. So it's one thing

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Speaker 2: if you're considering that you know what you want going

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Speaker 2: into a relationship, what you expect that of a wife,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate that everyone goes into a relationship with

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Speaker 2: different expectations, but in the middle of a marriage to

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Speaker 2: then make that, or perhaps thirty years after your marriage ended,

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Speaker 2: to then make that declaration that three years into your

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Speaker 2: marriage you were like, Damn, I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: want this to be the mother of my children. It

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Speaker 2: just seems offensive because she doesn't cook, she doesn't clean,

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Speaker 2: and she doesn't seem mom material. Those should have been

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Speaker 2: considerations before you entered into a marriage, I would think.

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Speaker 2: And even if that's where your head was, do you

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Speaker 2: need to say that out loud? Do you need to

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Speaker 2: tell everybody that?

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Speaker 1: So that's the reaction to just the headline. Now, obviously

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Speaker 1: you have been able to do a deeper dive into

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Speaker 1: fully what his answer was and we get a little

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Speaker 1: more context. Do you think if most people got more context,

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Speaker 1: which we're going to get into, would still have the

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Speaker 1: same reaction to the headline?

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Speaker 2: No, it would be softened. Soften because he is talking

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Speaker 2: about where his head was thirty years ago, and even

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Speaker 2: acknowledges that his upbringing was very specific. I grew up

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Speaker 2: part of my childho in the Midwest as well. I

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Speaker 2: understand what he's saying that there were and we're similar ages,

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Speaker 2: so I understand there was a different mindset back then.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's kind of silly and puzzling that

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have acknowledged or at least considered that this

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Speaker 2: would not be a good thing to say, Like, what's

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Speaker 2: the point of saying this now? What's the point of

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Speaker 2: phrasing it like that?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: I would think he would know, as a fifty eight

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Speaker 2: year old man that he was going to get some

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Speaker 2: heat and some backlash for saying that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the other head scratching part, And there's

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Speaker 1: something here, I mean, just the basics of what we're talking.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna give you credit here off the top,

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Speaker 1: because the reason I wanted to hop on initially and

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Speaker 1: then I just I think only read one article that

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Speaker 1: had a little fuller quote, and I'm like, oh, that

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Speaker 1: deserves more context. And what he is saying I thought

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Speaker 1: was that he actually was too immature and he had

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Speaker 1: And then it turned into something else once I actually

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Speaker 1: heard his full and it was almost a ten minute

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Speaker 1: answer about halle Berry. But Robes, you are the one

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Speaker 1: who then put it in a better context to what

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Speaker 1: I thought. Wow, now we have to do an episode

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Speaker 1: about it. Because all the headlines are talking about halle Berry,

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Speaker 1: the Oscar winner. All the headlines are talking about David Justice,

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Speaker 1: the pro ballplayer, her ex husband. The most important person.

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Speaker 2: In this story is his current wife.

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Speaker 1: Missus David Justice his wife of how many years?

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Speaker 2: He married her in two thousand and one, so twenty

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Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 1: Smart you said this to me, and it was almost

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Speaker 1: like I just hit my forehead, like holy hell. In

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Speaker 1: this whole conversation, how awful must it be to have

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Speaker 1: his exact quote, but he said we could have worked

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Speaker 1: out had we gone to therapy. He said things said

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Speaker 2: And I don't even think you have to know what

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Speaker 2: it's like to be married or divorced, or if you

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Speaker 2: an ex, you probably don't want your partner to talk

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Speaker 2: about his or her ex. Ever, but certainly not publicly,

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Speaker 2: and certainly not if she's considered probably one of the

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Speaker 2: to say, you know what, if we had just known

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Speaker 2: probably could have worked things out. All I could think

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Speaker 2: about was his wife of twenty four years and how

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Speaker 2: awful that must have felt. And even if she knows

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Speaker 2: and the perspective, you can't tell me that doesn't sting.

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Speaker 2: That hurts to hear, and it's unnecessary to say out loud,

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Speaker 2: and it's wildly unnecessary to say with a microphone.

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Speaker 1: And it's everywhere right now. It is. It's everywhere. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: talking about it. And that headline, in particular is everywhere.

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Speaker 1: The headlines ranged from they do. They range from she

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Speaker 1: wasn't motherly, she didn't cook, she didn't clean. They also

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Speaker 1: talk about him being a breadwinner. They also talk all

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Speaker 1: these headlines. There is nothing a current wife wants to

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Speaker 1: see about the past relationship. But you I didn't even

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Speaker 1: look at any of them, But could just give me

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Speaker 1: an idea again of what the blowback is right now

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Speaker 1: against the David Justice, even amongst people on his.

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Speaker 2: Own the blowback. The blowback against David Justice has been

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Speaker 2: swift and fierce. Those are the two ways I can

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Speaker 2: put it, and mostly coming from women who are just saying,

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Speaker 2: I'll paraphrase basically, how dare you say that your expectations

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Speaker 2: were that a woman should cook and clean? Then they

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Speaker 2: talk about Halle Berry. Oh, she was supposed to go

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Speaker 2: and continue to make award winning movies, bust her ass

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Speaker 2: around the world, bringing in a ton of money, and

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Speaker 2: then come home and cook and clean for you? Are

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Speaker 2: you kidding me? Or in her twenties she didn't appear motherly.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now I didn't either, and

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Speaker 2: I think I'm a pretty damn good mom. But in

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Speaker 2: my twenties, when I was working my ass off, I

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Speaker 2: don't think people, anyone who knew me, would have said, Wow,

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Speaker 2: she's the mom in the making. Like you know, I

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Speaker 2: just think that's so unfair. We're supposed to wear all

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Speaker 2: he is talking about she wasn't good enough for him

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Speaker 2: because she didn't cook, clean and appeared to be motherly.

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Speaker 2: That is wildly offensive and so yes, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 2: every woman who felt the need has pounced on him.

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Speaker 2: They've even gone onto his Instagram page where he was

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Speaker 2: actually trying to Here's the funny thing. His latest post

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Speaker 2: on Instagram is about Epstein. Okay, it's about like, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats and the Republicancies. It's hilarious. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: a reverse wag the dog of what Trump's doing. He

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Speaker 2: wants people to talk about Epstein on his on his

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Speaker 2: personal stupid comments he made about Halle Berry. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: on that latest post, everyone's jumping on and just talking

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Speaker 2: people did mention his wife too and said how does

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Speaker 2: she feel? How does she feel you talking about your

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Speaker 2: someone you divorced thirty years ago?

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Speaker 1: That is that's worth noting. They divorced literally.

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Speaker 2: Thirty thirty years ago, and this is coming up today

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Speaker 2: why we don't know.

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Speaker 1: But that again, I wanted you to give you credit

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Speaker 1: for bringing up the most relevant or the person at

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Speaker 1: least our hearts should go out to most in this

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Speaker 1: story is his wife, his current wife. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't know, folks, if you kept up, David Justice was

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Speaker 1: a superstar in Major League Baseball, won a couple of

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Speaker 1: World Series with Atlanta Braves. He was a stud, but yes,

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Speaker 1: he was married to halle Berry in the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: But the past few days he went on a podcast.

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Speaker 1: This podcast went an hour and fifty minutes. A lot

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Speaker 1: was covered only about ten minutes on halle Berry. But

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that's making all the headlines because he said,

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Speaker 1: like we said, he's the breadwinner. She didn't cook, she

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Speaker 1: claimed she wasn't motherly again. This is her first husband.

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Speaker 1: Met in ninety two, married in ninety three, divorced in

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Speaker 2: He also said that he didn't even propose to her.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was kind of again unnecessary and seemed egotistical,

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Speaker 2: and it could all be true, but he kind of

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Speaker 2: of said, eh, meh, not for me. That's just unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: He said. She proposed to him after five months, and

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Speaker 2: he claims he was so taken aback and shocked by it.

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Speaker 2: He said yes because he felt like he couldn't say no.

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Speaker 2: He actually intimated that he felt pressure to say yes

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Speaker 1: And then fives.

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Speaker 2: Five months he said they were dating and then they

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Speaker 1: There's the thing there, it's that's just hurt.

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Speaker 2: Who wins. Who wins by saying who wins the right

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Speaker 1: It's hard to criticize somebody for just speaking if they

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Speaker 1: that's tough. Even if it is true, it's so unnecessary

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Speaker 2: Felt like he'd been dying to say all of this

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Speaker 2: stuff for thirty years, he did say in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: experienced bad press. They both experienced they press, and his

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Speaker 2: anything that was being said, even these rumors and allegations

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Speaker 2: that apparently he could have been one of the people,

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Speaker 2: or at least the person that Hallie Barry had generically

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Speaker 2: referenced as having physically abused her. He did deny it,

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Speaker 2: and he has many, many times denied it, but he's

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Speaker 2: always been upset that she never cleared his name. She

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Speaker 2: never said for the record, it was never David Justice,

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Speaker 2: so he, I think has some resentment from that.

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Speaker 1: It felt like thirty years, okay, thirty years on a

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Speaker 1: random podcast. And again, folks, reminder, this is not an

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Speaker 1: interview about Halle Berry. This is an hour and fifty

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Speaker 1: on her and in fact, Robes when they first were like,

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Speaker 1: why is he talking about her? My first thought before

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Speaker 1: I looked into this were well, I'm probably he just

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Speaker 1: how it went down. He didn't have to bring her

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, I remember Hallie saying to me,

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Speaker 1: He took some liberties there.

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I met Hallie May of

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Speaker 1: Out she'said, it's a truth. Okay, that's not a mean

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, you just figured that out.

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Speaker 2: of your resentment. He and whether he wants to admit

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Speaker 2: that or not, maybe going back and listening to it,

438
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Speaker 2: and he can say, man, I think I have some

439
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Speaker 2: unresolved anger issues towards Hallie, and that's how I look

440
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Speaker 2: at it. But what's happening now is he's getting all

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Speaker 2: the incoming and so he'll hit the lesson. We'll be

442
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Speaker 2: learned and it'll be a tough one. And I don't

443
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Speaker 2: want to pile on. But anything you.

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Speaker 1: Said, I don't think you have been piling on. I

445
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Speaker 1: would say pumped the brakes ifbout thought, so okay, But

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Speaker 1: you just gave me a light bulb moment in that

447
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Speaker 1: I was ready for discussion about that specific quote when

448
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Speaker 1: I saw it, because I saw the context of what

449
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Speaker 1: he was saying. I thought he was taken out of

450
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Speaker 1: context in headlines and used for clickbait. I said, Oh,

451
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Speaker 1: that's a worthy discussion just about that thing and what

452
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Speaker 1: his expectations of a woman were then versus maybe what

453
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Speaker 1: they are now. When I listened to the entire interview,

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Speaker 1: like you just said, when you take it in a

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Speaker 1: fuller context with everything else, he seems to your point Robes,

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Speaker 1: he had some things to unpack. He was asked one

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Speaker 1: question and went on for eight to ten minutes about

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Speaker 1: halle Berry.

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Speaker 2: Podcast hosts were very smart not to interrupt.

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Speaker 1: They just said, and oh, yeah, I see. They just

461
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Speaker 1: let go ahead. They didn't follow up, they didn't push

462
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Speaker 1: the conversation. He just let it go. Why, I don't know.

463
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he knows.

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Speaker 1: Again, this isn't the worst thing in the world. Nobody

465
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Speaker 1: has been. If he has something on his mind, he

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Speaker 1: has a right to say it. But my goodness, it

467
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Speaker 1: did to your You've just made that light bulb go

468
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Speaker 1: off ropes in fuller context, it's hard to just take

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Speaker 1: it as.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't think that, can we can we

471
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Speaker 2: please read the last thing he said about her, because

472
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Speaker 2: to your point and to what I was saying, I

473
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Speaker 2: think this really which one is an example of yes,

474
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Speaker 2: she really did love me. I mean, okay, so here's

475
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Speaker 2: this is where I was like, dude, come on, like stop, uh,

476
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Speaker 2: here's what he said. If I was so bad as

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Speaker 2: a husband, she's be like, I'm so glad he left

478
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Speaker 2: me because it's like it was hard for her to

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Speaker 2: find the next dude. It wasn't hard for her to

480
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Speaker 2: find the next dude, but she kept my name in

481
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Speaker 2: her mouth because she wanted to be with me. She

482
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Speaker 2: wanted us to work out. And I now know that

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Speaker 2: I've gotten a lot older. And when I look back

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Speaker 2: now that I've gotten a lot older, and when I

485
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Speaker 2: look back when I got in my thirties and I

486
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Speaker 2: look back on that situation, I'm like, that girl really

487
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Speaker 2: did love me. And I can see why she would

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Speaker 2: be so mad at me, because imagine if you really

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Speaker 2: love somebody and then they tell you they want to

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Speaker 2: break up, and ain't nothing you can say to get

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Speaker 2: them back. That had to be tough on her. I

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Speaker 2: just wasn't emotionally mature at that age to understand the

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Speaker 2: magnitude of what she was feeling. That is the most backhanded.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it was a compliment. That is,

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Speaker 2: he was twisting the knife. She loved me so bad,

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Speaker 2: And now that I look back, I feel bad because

497
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Speaker 2: I really dumped her flat on her ass and there

498
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Speaker 2: was nothing she could do, and she kept saying my name,

499
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Speaker 2: but I just wanted nothing to do with her, poor thing.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could have been nicer to her. That's

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Speaker 2: what he just said. Oh my god, am I wrong.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a way to stick up with

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Speaker 1: David Justice right now, and I'm trying to look he

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Speaker 1: had a moment. Maybe he had a bad one. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's proud of what he said. Maybe he's been waiting

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Speaker 1: thirty years to say that. Maybe that's meaningful to him,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that gets him to whatever point. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to judge him for what he

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Speaker 1: decided to say, but it's it makes you scratch your

510
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Speaker 1: head about why this needed to be said. And again,

511
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Speaker 1: further context robes was it didn't the initial quote in

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Speaker 1: the headlines, there are nothing compared to what is actually

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Speaker 1: in there.

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Speaker 2: You were so you listened to it first, and then

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Speaker 2: I listened to it after you. You were like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, why what? And I was thinking to myself,

517
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Speaker 2: what is he like? What else did he say? And

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Speaker 2: it is actually when you listen to it, if you

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Speaker 2: go back and listen to the podcast, just a ten

520
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: minute blurb, how far into it did was.

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Speaker 1: The actually eight nine minutes, twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Minutes into it? Okay, So if you want to listen

523
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Speaker 2: to it, and I would encourage everybody to do so,

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Speaker 2: it actually is more cringey than the headlines actually make it.

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Speaker 1: See absolutely, and you scratch your head about why and Rose,

526
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: all the relationship talks and conversations and podcasts we do,

527
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: where do you break this one down? About letting go,

528
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: about separation, about how many decades? About being over it,

529
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Speaker 1: about I don't know, resolving those issues, about finally airing

530
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Speaker 1: this out? Does it need to be public in public relationship? Ah,

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Speaker 1: there's so much here that he just unleashed. And the

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Speaker 1: point being he was not asked about halle Berry.

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Speaker 2: He'd been dying to say it. That's all I could

534
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Speaker 2: tell you and look to each his own. I have

535
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Speaker 2: found that therapy is he talked about therapy between him

536
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: and halle could have helped. I think just having someone

537
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: you can say these things too, get them off your chest,

538
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: let yourself experience the emotion you're feeling, whether it's anger

539
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: or regret, whatever it is, and then let it go

540
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Speaker 2: and be at peace with yourself, and be at peace

541
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Speaker 2: with that person and forgive them, give them grace, but

542
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Speaker 2: give yourself grace. This is an absolute to me example

543
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: of why even if you don't, if you can't afford

544
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: a therapist, that shit's expensive, have a best friend who

545
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: you trust, who you can just say what you need

546
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Speaker 2: to say to. But everyone needs to tell somebody apparently,

547
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: just don't do it. On a podcast thirty years later, was.

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Speaker 1: It ninety six? Really divorce ninety six? Fudge?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

550
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Speaker 1: I know thirty years? Who was I dating thirty years?

551
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Speaker 2: That was in him too, That was like a big

552
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Speaker 2: thorn in him. Maybe he feels better, maybe it's released.

553
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Speaker 1: And you know what, maybe feels good about what he

554
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Speaker 1: did there and again questioning we've talked about it here,

555
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Speaker 1: roues what halle Berry at least means to me the

556
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Speaker 1: significance of certainly what we were going through at a time.

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Speaker 1: And no, we're not friends. She would hang out at

558
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Speaker 1: my house. I don't hang out of hers.

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Speaker 2: But she was kind.

560
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: But she was kind and I've spent more time with

561
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Speaker 1: her than most are blessed to do so. But she

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00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: reached out and was kind and I will forever, forever

563
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: be grateful for that. But I'm robes the times I've

564
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: spent with her. One of the first things that stand

565
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Speaker 1: out about her is how motherly she is.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? I remember you talking about her, saying

567
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Speaker 2: you listed her accolades, you know, Oscar winner, and she said,

568
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Speaker 2: you left out my most important role mom.

569
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Speaker 1: And any time I'm telling you, half the time that

570
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Speaker 1: there is a text exchange, she's in the middle of

571
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Speaker 1: doing this or something with the kids literally on the

572
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Speaker 1: road or the kids in the car, I'm going to

573
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Speaker 1: hear it. It's just that's the only thing I will

574
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Speaker 1: say in defense of and nothing that I need to

575
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: defend her. But to see those headlines, obviously Rose, we

576
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Speaker 1: were good to see, Like what the heck?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I'll just reiterate anyone who knew me

578
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Speaker 2: in my twenties. Would never describe me as, oh, she's

579
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Speaker 2: going to be a good mom.

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Speaker 1: No, that thirty is either.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I had ava twenty nine, so that's slightly offensive.

582
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Speaker 2: But okay, I see where you're going with this. But no,

583
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: but a lot of career minded women you aren't. And look,

584
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Speaker 2: I think it's amazing when you know, oh, all I

585
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: want to be is a mom. That's fucking beautiful. That

586
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 2: was nothing that I ever said. And we can have

587
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: all sorts of different moms and women who become moms,

588
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: and we can all be great moms in different ways.

589
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: But I think that's also just defensive to a lot

590
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Speaker 2: of women. Yes, we to be perceived a certain way

591
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Speaker 2: that makes you not mom material not fair, not fair.

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Speaker 1: It's tough, but it's always worth us having a conversation

593
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Speaker 1: about these such things when they come up. Don't have

594
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Speaker 1: to be nasty and take down David Justice, don't have

595
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Speaker 1: to take the very side. I don't have to take one,

596
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Speaker 1: but it's still worthy anytime we can calmly move forward

597
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: on a conversation like this. So, folks, we always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm DJ Holt and I'm Amy Robock. Have a wonderful

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Speaker 2: rest of your day,