1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: He got jacked. This is the Big Red Rain presented 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: by Santanford in Gilbert. Harry's Gonna score touchdown. Slim to 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo, he came 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: flying into the backfield. The Rage is brought to you 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Satanford State Farm? 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts. Visit Hacy Cardinals dot com, 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Slash podcasts. The rod scene, rising guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring, 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: rage taking over. Here's Paul KELVC. Get the popcorn ready. 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a show and Ron will flip. It 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than that horn. Unleash the far 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: our flag here on the Big Red Rage, regal and 14 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: majestic and its splendor, Ron Wolfley, it flies half staff 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: tonight in honor of a season that has passed. Now. 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: It lived a life longer than any season before it 17 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: since two thy fifteen. But the end, the very end, 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: was abrupt and grizzly. It wasn't a matter of what 19 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the eleven wins. The playoff spot. It was a matter 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: of how how you got there, how you suffered losses 21 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: in five of the last six. So maybe at some 22 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 1: point here, you know, we're all gonna put the rage 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: into Big Red Rage tonight. And that's okay because you 24 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: know what, in my book, it just means we care. Yes, 25 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: we're invested. It's you know, you don't want the apathy, Okay. 26 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: So so that's my piece here off the top of 27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, brought to you by Santan Ford 28 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: and Gilbert. We are Santan four. Now my game plan says, 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: it's Ron Wolfley's job to bring some big red perspective 30 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: and analysis. Yeah, you know what, honestly, PAULI right now, 31 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: seven and oh happened as well. Seven and oh happened, 32 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: and ten and two happened. And that's the part that 33 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: gets me, Paul, That is the part. I think it 34 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: is the expectation that I allowed myself to have when 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: they were ten and two and it had the best 36 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: record in the National Football League. I think it was 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: the expectation that I allowed myself to have looking at 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: that team and Kyler Murray and how Kyler Murray was playing. 39 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Just the fact too that you miss Kyler Murray for 40 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: three games along with DeAndre Hopkins, and yet there you 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: were at ten and two. Man, its just it's a 42 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: hard thing to think of and then see the way 43 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: that season ended. Yeah, that's perfectly acceptable. You raise your 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: expectations at that point. Not only were you ten and 45 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: two and atop all the power polls, you were one 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: of two teams along with Buffalo, to spend the entire 47 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: season at that point top five and scoring offense, top 48 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: five and scoring defense. You were seven and o on 49 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: the road, and every win on the road was by 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: double digits. Yes, so there was a lot to celebrate 51 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: and there was a lot to get excited about it 52 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: and bolster those expectations as to what might be coming 53 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: in January. So it was the December. It was the 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: January that once again is so confounding that it has 55 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: everyone in the red seat asking a two word question, 56 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: what happened? What happened? Paul? Honestly, right now, and I 57 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: think you've got to highlight this once again, you really do, 58 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: because honestly, right now, if you would have told me 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals would have got out to a good start 60 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: on the season, I'm not going to throw out any numbers, 61 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: just a good start, and then they had a five hundred, 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: had a five hundred finish down the stretch the second 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: half of the season right there. You know, honestly, Paul, 64 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: if you won eleven games and finished eleven and six, 65 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: what would we all have said, Oh, my goodness, this 66 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: is just fantastic the way they went ahead, won five 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: games the first year of Cliff Kingsbury and then eight games. Yeah, 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: they folded down the stretch. But you know what, now, 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: they won eleven games the third season. If they won 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: eleven games again out of the postseason, we wouldn't be 71 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: talking like we are now. The problem is they were 72 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: ten and two. It happened. They were ten and two 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: and then went one in five, including the playoff game, 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: down the stretch. Once again, my thesis statement off the top, 75 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: it's not the what, it's the how. Yes, it's how 76 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: you got there. It's it's that feeling everyone had in 77 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: La we were there and JJ Watt, let's just say, 78 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: he vocalized it. He capsualized it, and you know what, 79 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: he didn't mince any words when he gave his assessment 80 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: on twenty twenty one. It was a massive failure. I mean, 81 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: from what we were capable of doing and from what 82 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: we showed we can do to what to today. There's 83 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: no other way to describe it than as a failure. Paully. 84 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: When I heard that, I have to tell you right now. 85 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: When I heard that, it gave me hope. It really did. 86 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: Is down in the dumps. And you know I was 87 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: down in the dumps as down in the dumps as 88 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I was when I heard J. J. Watt characterize it 89 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: as a massive failure. I actually add hope, because Paully, 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: the first thing you've got to fix, you cannot fix 91 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: unless you tell the truth. You have to tell the truth, 92 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: and you have to characterize it. You know me, Paul, 93 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm a big Nights Templar guy. I really am right. 94 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: But Paul, I've told you this many times. They believe 95 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: tough started with terminology. What you called things, or what 96 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: you said about things, or how you characterize things. It 97 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: mattered to the templars. And I think the blatant truth 98 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: about one in five and the one in five finish 99 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: culminating on Monday night. You gotta call it what it is. 100 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: And J. J. Watt did that, and that makes me 101 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: think if you can tell the truth about what happened. 102 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Now you can go ahead and fix it. You can 103 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: confront it, and you can fix it, but you gotta 104 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: start by saying what is true and what happened. If 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: you put a thought bubble over his head while he 106 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: held that press conference, I think it would have said 107 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: something along lines of I I just cut my timeline 108 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: from this massive shoulder injury and half to come back 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: for this. You know, it's just it was just abject 110 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: frustration obviously on the part of JJ Watt. And you know, 111 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: I have a bunch of different theories. I advanced some 112 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of them in Cardinals Underground, but off row this one 113 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: out here before we hear from Kyler Marie. And by 114 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: the way, Darren Urban is going to be our guest 115 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: on this edition of The Big Red Raid. Okay, so 116 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: it will get in depth there, believe me. But here's 117 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: a quick theory. Because we did all these Cardinals folk tales, 118 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: and we went back to the two thousand and eight 119 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: regular season, and we did the snow Game and the 120 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals in the state of the Cardinals before they went 121 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: into that two thousand and eight playoff run all the 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: way to Super Bowl forty three and now, the comment 123 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: from Chris Collinsworth the worst playoff team in the history 124 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: of the postseason, et cetera. We remember all that, But 125 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: what I did not remember were some of the comments 126 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: from Kurt Warner at the time about how he had 127 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: to battle his own locker room to let these guys 128 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: know that making the playoffs is not the end goal. 129 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Making a run in the playoffs is the end goal. 130 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: And he said that was a byproduct of a team 131 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: of a roster that had not been to the postseason 132 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: in quite a long time. Well, the Cardinals just ended 133 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the longest NFC playoff drought at six years, from two 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty twenty one. And the only working theory 135 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I have that's really feasible and plausible is that perhaps 136 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: at ten and two, Ron Wolfley everybody said, yeah, we 137 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: just checked the main box, the main objective this year, 138 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: which was to make the playoffs, take that next step 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: in this progression, and then all of a sudden they 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: lost that edge. That's the only thing I can truly 141 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: think of that might set because it happened before, and 142 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner had to fight against that in the two 143 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: thousand and eight season and then literally take that team 144 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: by the nose and lead them on a playoff run. Yeah, 145 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, and that's why, Paul two though, I was 146 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: hoping for the reset. But no, I'm not saying that 147 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe they took their foot off the gas, that maybe 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: human nature took over and maybe they got a little complacent. 149 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I know that. Hey, listen, ten and two. It happened. 150 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: It was real. We all saw it. They were the 151 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: best team in the league after three months of the 152 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: season and then they just fell apart. There has to 153 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: be something something you could point to, something that is 154 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: tangible and say this is what happened. Maybe you're right 155 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: about that, Paul, I don't know. And look, I'm like 156 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: you a week ago at this time on this very show, 157 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I fully expected the Cardinals to flip that switch. Was 158 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: going to be the playoffs, yes, and they were going 159 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: to have that same energy and intensity and edge about 160 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: them that they had to start the first two thirds 161 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: of this season, especially on the road when it's them 162 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: against the world. And we did not see the same 163 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: team that we saw that started ten and two. And 164 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: after the game, after the playoff loss thirty four eleven 165 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: in La, Kyler Murray was was asked about well, the 166 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: immediate future, the near future. Here's Kyler. I haven't really 167 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: thought about the future or anything like that, trying to 168 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, soak all this in. Um, there's 169 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: a lot of motions, Um, you know, proud of the team, 170 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: probably the way we fought, a lot of disappointment of 171 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: failure to end the season. But there's definitely a lot 172 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to build up as well. And look, Kyler and the 173 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals were not their best in prime time. They went 174 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: over four in prime time, whether it was Thursday nights, 175 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: Sunday night, whether it was day night football, oh for 176 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: four And you know what, Kyler and those four games 177 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: combined had one touchdown pass and six interceptions. Now, a 178 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: couple of those games were tight. In fact, a lot 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: of those games. The Green Bay game was tight. The 180 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Rams game was tight in Week fourteen, obviously after they 181 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: got that on side kick and they took it down 182 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: to the wire. The Colts game was tight for most 183 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: of the game. But once again, Kyler and the Cardinals 184 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: were certainly not at their best in prime time. Yeah, 185 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: you know what, Paully. Honestly though, when I think of 186 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: prime time, I get what you're saying. The national audience 187 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: and everything. I didn't think that was what Kyler Murray 188 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: was going to suddenly look like the Kyler Murray we 189 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: all know and the way that he can play. To me, 190 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: it was the moment, it was. It was the fact 191 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: that it was the playoffs, that it was one in done, 192 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: a one in don scenario, and that's why I fully 193 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: expected him to come out and light the lamp. That didn't. Yeh. 194 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: He made plays we hadn't seen since his rookie year. 195 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: And that's that's just a fact, Hay. To catch up 196 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: on past episodes of The Day Pash Podcast, you can 197 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: fall along via your preferred podcast provider. Get the last 198 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: up States updates via Twitter at pashpod on Twitter. All right, 199 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: Darren Urban is up next? Do you think we have questions? 200 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely the Cardinals inside or on acy Cardinals dot Com. 201 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring some answers next. The Big Red Rage 202 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert Murry back to throw 203 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: on second and nine in trouble, moves to his left, 204 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: being chased by Bosa, now throws it deep across the 205 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: field near side, just falling at the ten and tackled 206 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: at the nine yard line. Kyler Murray threw that ball 207 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: outside the numbers on the far side to the near 208 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: sideline five twenty ago. Cardinals lead ten to seven. Can 209 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: they put them away? Can they get a touchdown? Snap 210 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: the Kyler? He throws a fade left side in the 211 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: end zone and in his card Bird put down the 212 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: hop bought it with Josh Norman draped all over and 213 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: trying to pull the ball away. What a great catch 214 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: by DeAndre Hopkins. Broke the sickles out on the fade 215 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: and staffed the pig up the air and brought it 216 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: in man. At some point, when you've got dudes who 217 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: are just better than the other team, that's enough. I've 218 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: the good old days, Week five at home home win 219 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, when you had the dynamic 220 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: duel of Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, you had 221 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: the nine yard touchdown just over five minutes to go 222 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: after the thirty yard reception, and then the Cardinals got 223 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: the ball back with Fort's wold to play. I'm looking 224 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: at the quick game summary notes here, and they ran 225 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: out the clock to end the game seventeen ten. They 226 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: beat the forty nine ers to go five and oh 227 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: for the first time since nineteen seventy four. But what's interesting, 228 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Wolf is after the game a couple of quotes, Kyler 229 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Murray called the offensive formance ugly. It was winning football, 230 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: but it was ugly, man. And as the season went on, 231 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: other guys noted that, you know what, there were mistakes 232 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: when they went seven to No. Ten and two, But 233 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe they got glossed over a little bit because after 234 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: the game Kyler said something that now proves to be 235 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: a little cryptic when his quote was you can't get 236 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: bored with winning. You can't get bored of doing the 237 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: little things right. That was Kyler Murray postgame week five. Wow, Bally, 238 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: So intriguing, is it not? Yeah, there's no done about 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: it. It It really is right here. They've got to answer 240 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: some of these questions going forward, and that certainly is 241 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: one of them. What happened, especially down the stretch. Somebody 242 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: who's been trying to answer questions in his mailbag at 243 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: Acy Cardinals dot com is Darren Urban, the longtime Cardinals 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: insider who joins us now. Darren, thank thanks for your 245 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: time here in the Big Red Rage, brought to you 246 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: by santan Ford and Gilbert. How has it been, you know, 247 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: how's your mental health after dealing with the mail bag 248 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: this week. Guys, how you doing? My mental health is fine. 249 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the season was going to end 250 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: at some point. Uh. You know, obviously everybody's hoping that 251 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be after the super Bowl. But uh, you know, 252 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: our our jobs go on. Uh. That's part of it, 253 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, for me. Uh, and that's part of it 254 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: for the players too. I mean, uh, you're now on 255 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the point where, okay, it's over. Um, just like the 256 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: one week at a time thing of the season where 257 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's it doesn't pay a whole lot to 258 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: look back. It pays to look forward. I think the 259 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: players now kind of have to refocus on, Okay, what 260 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: what do we do going forward? Rather than looking back. 261 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: But obviously it was a disappointing end of the season. 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's no way of getting around that. And 263 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, I I you know, you you listen to J. J. 264 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Watt right after the games, Uh, sit up there at 265 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the podium and say called it a massive failure. And 266 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: and because Kingsbury wasn't going to go there. Uh And 267 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: and that might have been in the emotion of the moment, 268 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: but it pretty much encapsulated how everybody was feeling that night. 269 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: I think it so DRB. How do you fix this? 270 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: And you started, you know, I want to hear your 271 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: thoughts on Wolf. Honestly, you know difficult, isn't it? I mean, 272 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: where do you begin on this? Well? How do you 273 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: how do you diagnose it first before you fix it? 274 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: What is the problem? Because DJ Humphrey said this week 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: it was Monday, It was Tuesday after the game and 276 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: he was asked about he said, well, when you lose 277 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: that many games, you lost something. What is something? You know? 278 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: That's a great question that Paul, you and I were 279 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: talking about it on our podcast this week. I mean, 280 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: there were some people that kind of analyze the numbers 281 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: that we're saying that some of the success they were 282 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: having early in the season was not sustainable and a 283 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: and a very basic example, and again I brought this 284 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: up with you, Paul, but Wolf, I mean, how many 285 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: times early in the season, especially did they score a 286 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: touchdown or get a first down when it was third 287 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and twelve, third and fourteen, third and sixteen. It seemed 288 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: like they were doing it every single time they were 289 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: in one of those situations. And that's not something you're 290 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: going to be able to pull off for a seventeen 291 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: game season, and that's that's one example. I think the 292 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: penalties got a little bit worse. There's no question the 293 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: injuries hurt them, and clearly I think some of the 294 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: player regressed, and some of that is the quarterback. I mean, 295 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: when you go into a playoff game and the coach 296 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: says that the quarterback is going to have his, hopefully 297 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: his best game of the year, and Kyler then talks 298 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: about being raised to be that kind of player, You're 299 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: you're really hoping that he plays better than he did, 300 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: and he didn't. You know, when it comes to total 301 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: wins without d Hop, Kyler and Colt McCoy tied, they 302 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: both had two. Kyler won two out of seven games 303 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: without d Hop, coult McCoy won two out of three. 304 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: So something happened. Now you still have a quarterback who's 305 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl, obviously, And after the game, 306 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: zach Ertz actually the next day meeting the media and 307 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: he was asked about twenty four year old Kyler Murray 308 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: and what he sees. Kyler is the most talented player 309 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: I've ever been around, and I think the sky is 310 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the limit for him. I mean, if he didn't get 311 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: hurt this year, he's probably winning the MVP. And if 312 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: you have an MVP caliber quarterback, you're gonna have a 313 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: chance to win a Super Bowl. He puts so much 314 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: pressure on himself to be great, to win football games, 315 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: to play great, And that's why I think guys love 316 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: playing for him. Can I throw out a quick analogy 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: and you guys can agree with disagree, and I know 318 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: you will. Here we go, Lamar Jackson. Did Lamar Jackson 319 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: not have a miserable playoff game or two at the 320 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: beginning of his career and then rebound and win an 321 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: MVP plus a postseason game or two? But didn't the 322 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: very beginning of Lamar Jackson of playoff football was ugly? 323 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Was it not? Yes? And a lot of people wondered, Okay, 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, how viable is this guy long term? 325 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Has the NFL figured out Lamar Jackson? It's it's a 326 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: lot of the same blowback we're hearing now with Kyla Murray. 327 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Every quarterback is different. But yeah, well, if I throw 328 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: that to you, and you know, obviously Lamar Jackson had 329 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: to evolve his game. Is the ball now in Kyler's core? Yeah, 330 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. And hopefully the good news 331 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: here is that Kyler Murray is going to embrace the 332 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: fact that he's not a finished product and he's got 333 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: to get better. I fully expect him to embrace that 334 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: and to get better whatever it may be in his preparation. 335 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: Get better on the field, get better with decisions, get 336 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: better with reading coverage, whatever it may be. PAULI, I mean, 337 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I believe Kyler is that type of individual. Let's hope 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: that he is and he embraces the process of getting 339 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: better right now, and I fully expect him to do that, Paul. 340 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: The one area I will say the one thing, guys, 341 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: when you talk about the Arizona Cardinals, especially this season, 342 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: when you talk about something being unsustainable, think of how 343 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: many times they had leads. They were in the lead 344 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: almost all the time. When you think about it, how 345 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: many games did they actually have to come back in, Paul, 346 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Jacksonville they had to come back in that game, 347 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: and I think Houston as well. They got down five 348 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: nothing in that game and had to come But but 349 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: after that, you know, before they went on that's one 350 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: in five streak to win this season, they were all 351 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: about having leads and getting leads, there's no doubt about it. 352 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: And then and then as far as the playoff game goes, Darren. 353 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, after the game, Aaron Donald said in a quote, 354 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: I feel like the quarterback wasn't comfortable at all. Yeah, 355 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: did the Rams just proved to be a really bad 356 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: matchup for Kyler and the Cardinals in hindsight? Well, I 357 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: mean it was a bad matchup potentially in the playoffs. 358 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they weren't a bad matchup the first 359 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: time they played in the season, when the Cardinals had 360 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: their way with them. Um, now, that was a much 361 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: healthier Cardinals team than down the stretch. And again, not 362 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna go too far in the injuries because every team's 363 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: got him that kind of thing. But you know, obviously 364 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were missing a piece, especially on offense, that 365 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: meant something. But I agree with you. I don't think 366 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: that Kyler was particularly comfortable in that last game, and 367 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: I do think there was some echo of what he 368 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: felt the first time they played. The first time they 369 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: played the Rams on Monday night at the home game 370 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: where they lost. So you know, I'm very curious to 371 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: see where it goes with the quarterback. I mean, Kyler, 372 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: a lot of eyes are going to be on him. 373 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: I know you were talking about Lamar Jackson. You know 374 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: another guy who played pretty poorly in his first three 375 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: playoff games and two of them were blown out losses 376 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: was Peyton Manning, And obviously that turned out okay. Now, 377 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: nobody's saying Kyler Murray is going to be paid Manning 378 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: or even have the playoff success of Lamar Jackson. But 379 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I do think there's a certain amount of leeway we 380 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: need to give. Now how much more in this in 381 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: the culture that we live in these days, with coaches 382 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: and organizations making quicker changes, I don't know, but I 383 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, I do think that Kyler has shown enough 384 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: that you can feel confident that he has a chance 385 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: to be that guy. But like Will said, I think 386 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: he has to kind of embrace what he went through, 387 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: and I think he's got to. He does have to 388 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: make some changes, I think to get better. I don't 389 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: know what those are exactly. I'm not around him all 390 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: the time. I don't know what he does in the 391 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: offseason and what his preparation is, but I do think 392 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: he could probably do things that not only would help 393 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: his own game, but would help the team around him. Well, 394 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: here's Kyler on the team around him and all the 395 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: impending free agents. That's one of those things that you know, 396 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: hasn't you know, it won't sink in until you know, 397 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of days or whatever. But you know, 398 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: hopefully we can get some of those guys back, you know, 399 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: if not all of them. So you know, when you 400 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: build relationships with these guys, that's always the tough part 401 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: about sports, is here one day going the next. So 402 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: I love all those news and look, there's a lot 403 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: of big names. Chandler Jones, James Connor, zach ertz Aj Green, 404 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk, Chase Edmonds, Justin Pugh, you know, Jordan Phillips, 405 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: Max Williams, Colt McCoy, Robert Alfred. There's a lot of names, 406 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. And in the next segment 407 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: we'll start getting into some of the running back and 408 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: linebacker questions. But Darren, when it comes to the receivers 409 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: in particular, you know, what do you see in terms 410 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: of weapons, especially at wide out, what do you see 411 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: for Kyler and the Cardinals? Well, I mean, obviously you 412 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: need to get DeAndre Hopkins back, and Cliff Kingsbury did 413 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: say that he felt confident that DeAndre is going to 414 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: be better in the next month or so and he'll 415 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: be ready to go in the offseason to do what 416 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: he needs to do. I mean, I don't know what happens. 417 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is a free agent. AJ Green's a free agent. 418 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: I think you might want to get a little bit 419 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: younger and perhaps get something more, a little bit more explosive. 420 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: I could see them, you know, potentially trying to find 421 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: a way to keep Christian Kirk, but maybe finding an 422 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: another young guy to become that number two and be 423 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: a little more explosive. I mean, I do think you 424 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: need to be in a position where you need to 425 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: get some size. If you keep Christian Kirk. You do 426 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: have Rondelle Moore, you like those guys, but you need 427 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: to be in a spot where you have a younger, 428 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: bigger receiver to make some things happen, especially if you 429 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: lose somebody like Hot for a period of time. You 430 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: need to be able to do some of those things. Yeah, 431 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: what about the tight end position as well, zach Ertz. 432 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: Of course, Max Williams, Derrel Daniels, what do you think 433 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: is going to happen? Here d. I think that's a 434 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: great question. I think zach Ertz guys, I mean, he 435 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: looked like he fit really well out of this offense. 436 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him be able to stick around. 437 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: But I mean, one of the reasons he wanted out 438 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia was because they were clearly moving on from him. 439 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons they were going to move 440 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: on from him is because they weren't going to pay him. 441 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: So you wonder what kind of money he's looking for, 442 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: and so I think he'd like to be there. I 443 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals would love to have him. I think 444 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals would love to keep Max Williams. But again, 445 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: at some point, you're not going to be able to 446 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: pay everybody. I mean, the cap does go up by 447 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: a significant amount, but you also have a handful of 448 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: guys who are seeing a significant jump in their salaries 449 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: that are going to eat some of that up, whether 450 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: it's DeAndre Hopkins or Buddha Baker, Buddha Baker or even Kyler. 451 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: Kyler's salary jumps. So there's gonna be some things that 452 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to You're gonna have to figure out, 453 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: and that's gonna mean losing out some of the guys 454 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: that you're probably gonna want to keep Oline real quick, 455 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: Darren Oline, So what sort of priority do you think 456 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: that'll be and what sort of changes do you foresee 457 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: up front? I think personally that they're probably gonna have 458 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: to look at least for one guard. I mean, obviously 459 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: they like Rodney Hudson. I think Max Garcia did a 460 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: yeoman's job in there, but he was ultimately their third 461 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: choice to start because they were gonna go with Josh 462 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: Jones and then they ended up going with Justin Murray 463 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: before he got hurt. So I'm thinking they're gonna want 464 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: to upgrade there. And you don't know what's gonna happen 465 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: with Justin Pugh, who's under contract for next year, but 466 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: it's for such a large number that I don't know 467 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: if that's even plausible that they're going to bring him 468 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: back at that So what does he do something with 469 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: his contract? Do they let him go and they go 470 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: get somebody else? I don't know, But I think on 471 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: the offensive line, guard is going to be the number 472 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: one priority, and I think they're gonna want to upgrade 473 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: at least one of those spots. And your thoughts on 474 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones quickly as well. Chandler is a tough thing. 475 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it feels a lot like the Patrick Peterson 476 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: situation of last year. But we'll see. I mean, we'll 477 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: find out what his market is. But if Chandler Jones 478 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: isn't here, you better find a pass rusher. Yeah, I mean, 479 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: right now at twenty three overall, I'm thinking your number 480 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: one want. At least we can argue the needs, but 481 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: the want at twenty three, whether that player is there 482 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: or not, has to be an edge rusher, wouldn't you think? 483 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: Do you think that's the clubhouse leader right now? Wolf? Yeah, no, 484 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: I think there's no doubt about it. You've got to 485 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: address that position. It all comes down to what a 486 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are going to be offered from 487 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: other teams, Let's face it. Yeah, I'm thinking either edge 488 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: rusher or perhaps a number one corner at twenty three overall. 489 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: If Byron Murphy can be your number two corner, that 490 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: would be an ideal situation, obviously, But we'll see. You know, 491 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: that's that's down the line in April. We still have 492 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: more immediate questions, especially with free agency coming in mid 493 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: March and Darren Urban continues with us here the Cardinals 494 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: Insider from az Cardinals dot Com on the Big Red 495 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan four in Gilbert Hurry and the 496 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: gun takes the shot comes then or stand looks now 497 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: backs up, goes office back book one hand and catch 498 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Connor over in the middle of the ten, inside the 499 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: ten and down in the five yard line for an 500 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: eighteen yard game. What a Grandhabby does it back to 501 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: back weeks with one handed catchet, go, go, gadget staff 502 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: the bag and they run Connor up the middle. He's stuffed, 503 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: but he breaks a tackle and get into the ends 504 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: of for a touchdown. James Connor continues to be one 505 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: of the best free agent signings maybe ever for the Cardinals. 506 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: They're gonna go wildcat Jonathan Ward in the backfield with Connor, 507 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: who takes the snap. Connor runs left, He's down to 508 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: the five and keeps defeat moving. James Connor is into 509 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: the end zone for the touchdown. Yeah, arm tackles aren't 510 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: bringing down James Connery. At eighteen total touchdowns this regular season, 511 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: number three in the NFL, fifteen rushing touchdowns number two 512 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL for a Cardinals offense that finished tenth 513 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: in rushing overall yards per game. And let's not forget, gentlemen, 514 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: welcome back into the Big Red Rage presented by santan 515 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Ford and Gilbert Yours truly, Paul calvec Ron Wolfley, and 516 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: our special guest, Cardinals insider Darren Urban that the Cardinals 517 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: were nine and oh wolf when they had thirty or 518 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: more rushes in a game. Yeah, you know, honestly, their 519 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: run rate. You know how big I was on that 520 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: for the first half of the season, and actually beyond 521 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: I would say the first twelve thirteen weeks of the season, 522 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the run rate was right there, top three in the 523 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: National Football League. Was pretty incredible for an air raid coach. Ball. Yeah, 524 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: what sort of priority is James Conner this offseason? Darren? 525 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: I think, I know. It's almost a rhetorical question, isn't it. 526 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, I would be shocked if 527 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: they didn't want him back. But he just scored eighteen touchdowns. 528 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: And you know, this is a team that in the 529 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: not too distant past paid a lot of money to 530 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: a running back and that did not work out very 531 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: well at all, And so I find it hard to 532 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: believe that they're going to be dealing out a tremendous 533 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: amount of money for a running back. Now that doesn't 534 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: mean James Connor is going to be asking for what 535 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: David Johnson was asking for once upon a time, or 536 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: he would even get it. But these are the things 537 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: that have to be weighed. And I don't know if 538 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: that gets figured out before free agency actually starts, or 539 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: if we actually have to get to market. But I 540 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: think they absolutely want James connorback, and I think if 541 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: they had their choice, they would probably take them both 542 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: back if the price was right. But again that's the 543 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: big if. And at this point, you know, James Connor 544 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: has already been a free agent once, had to do 545 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: a one year, proved deal here proved it, So he's 546 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna want his one big payday because that's basically where 547 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: he is. And Chase Edmonds might be in a position 548 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: where this is one big payday. So you can't begrudge 549 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: these guys for looking to kind of set themselves up 550 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: when this is their one chance, especially at the position 551 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: they play. But certainly they were both excellent for the Cardinals, 552 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: and I do believe one of the reasons that the 553 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals struggled so much down the stretch is because they 554 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: ultimately played two games together in the last nine. I 555 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: think it was they played together to obviously that didn't 556 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: go very well, and then they played together in the 557 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: playoff game, even though James Connor was clearly not Yeah, 558 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: he was grimacing every time he came off the field, 559 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: by the way, any at extra patting around his midsection 560 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: to protect those injured ribs. So and then you know, 561 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake was a great running back upon acquisition and 562 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: then the next year wasn't so great and end up 563 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: leaving for the Raiders. So Wolf, how do you see 564 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: the running back position? Right? Yeah, Paula. You know what, 565 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: though Kenyan Drake can never seem to embody to me 566 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: the physicality and the leadership that the Arizona Cardinals wanted. 567 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Kenyan Drake wasn't a physical player. 568 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he wasn't a good leader. I'm 569 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: saying that James Connor was everything that this team wanted 570 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: to become in the off season, and then he proved 571 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: it on the field in how he played. The physicality 572 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: of James Connor I think changed the team. It changed 573 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: the team, It inspired his teammates that were on the 574 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: sideline watching him play. I think it even altered Cliff 575 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: Kingsbury's philosophy. That's just me, Paul. But he wasn't just 576 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: a playmaker. He was a mentality. Yes, he really was 577 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: what JJ Watt was to the defense, you know James 578 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: Connor was to the offense. Yeah, there's no doubt, and 579 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: it jacked everybody up. Darren. My question to you would 580 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: be this right here. Does he want to be paid 581 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: like he's in every down back or is he willing 582 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: to share the backfield? That would be my question to 583 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: James Connor. Well, I mean you just made two different 584 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: questions of the wallfield. Are you saying is he willing 585 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: to share the time or is he want to get 586 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: paid like he's not shamed the time. I mean, I 587 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: think he has no problem sharing the work with Chase Edmonds. Sure, 588 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: But if you're going to tell him we're all going 589 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: to pay you so much because you're sharing the time, yeah, 590 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: then then you're going to have that you might have 591 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: an issue there. Again, I don't. I don't think this 592 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: is going to come down for James Connor to have 593 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: in himself. I need all the carries and I want 594 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: to get paid like that. But if another team comes 595 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: along and says, we are going to give you all 596 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: the carries and Dusty, we're going to pay you X 597 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: amount of dollars, and the Cardinals don't want to go there. 598 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're James Connor, you almost have to leave. 599 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean, running backs in this league have a very 600 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: short shelf life. And let's face it, both these guys 601 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: were banged up. James Connor lasted most of the season, 602 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: but he got hurt, and that was part of the 603 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: issue of why Pittsburgh let him walk away. And as 604 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: much as I think I know I love Chase Edmunds 605 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: and I think you guys really love his game too, 606 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: let's face it, the times when he's really had to 607 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: be used a lot, he's ended up hurt for part 608 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: of the time. So that's something you have to keep 609 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: in mind, not only in terms of how many backs 610 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: you have on your roster to be able to show 611 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: the load, but also when you're paying him James Connor, 612 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: and I have to remind myself of this. He's not 613 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: a thirty plus year old running back either. He's in 614 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: his prime. He's twenty seven years of age, saying with 615 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: Chase's obviously in his prime, just wrapped up his initial 616 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: four year deal. Here's the head coach and play caller, 617 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury on those two running backs set to be 618 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 1: free agents. Huge fans of both those guys. I mean, 619 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you can't ask for two guys that work harder, do 620 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: things the right way. You know, they're they're dialed in 621 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: each and every day, and they both earned good deals. 622 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, I hope that we can 623 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: afford both guys because they both had fantastic seasons and 624 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: they deserve to get nice contracts. But I would love 625 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: to have them both back. I think they compliment each 626 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: other really well. Yeah, and I agree Wolf. I mean 627 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, you know, once, especially once he realized also 628 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: that James Connor could catch the ball, Oh my goodness, 629 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: we afually became interchangeable, seriously with Chase Edmonds and James Connor. 630 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was absolutely huge. Guys. I just I 631 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: want to reminisce just a little bit. I want to 632 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: go back to when the Arizona Cardinals were subbing and oh, 633 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: go back to the five and oh, as a matter 634 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: of fact, after five games and looking at Max Williams 635 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: as the tight end. Max Williams and eleven personnel, one back, 636 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: one tight end, three wide receivers. When you had DeAndre Hopkins, 637 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: you had Aj Green, you had Christian Kirk, you had 638 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: Max Williams as your stud tight end, and then you 639 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: had James Conner and Chase Edmonds. I'm guys right now, 640 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: that to me is when this offense was absolutely at 641 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: its best and rundown situation first and ten, second and 642 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: one to six. And the reason why I say that 643 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: is because they were so balanced. They could use that 644 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: personnel group on first and ten and you had no 645 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: idea if it was going to be a run or 646 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: if it was going to be a pass, and they 647 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: ran the ball in a physical way and they could 648 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: do it with Max Williams as their stud tight end. 649 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: That's a great point, You're right. I mean, how many 650 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: times were they a step ahead of the defense And 651 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: that was when Max Williams was part of their personnel sets. 652 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. And then if you flip it, Darren, 653 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: the other big question comes at linebacker. Obviously, where would 654 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been on defense without Jordan Hicks? Think 655 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: about that? Think how close he was perhaps to go 656 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: into another team when upon the drafting of Zavin Collins, 657 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: he was told he wouldn't even have a chance at 658 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: that point to compete for his starting spot. Instead, he 659 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: led the team in tackles. Him and Jayleen Thomps are 660 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: right up the top near for the entire season, and 661 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean he was absolutely the beating heart of that defense. 662 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: He wore the green dot. How do you see the 663 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: inside linebacker spot, especially with those two guys joining him, 664 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: former first round picks and Isaiah Simmons and Zavan Collins. 665 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: I think that's something definitely to watch. I mean, for 666 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks to go from basically hearing that he wasn't 667 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: going to start to asking for a trade to playing 668 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: the most snaps on defense all season is kind of 669 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: an amazing turn of events. But I don't know what's 670 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: going to happen, you know, Jordan Hicks was asked the 671 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: other day if he was gonna ask for a trade 672 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: again because he is a contract for another year. He 673 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: said it was too early for him to comment on that. 674 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: He didn't know kind of where everything was going to go. Obviously, 675 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: Zavan Collins did not play a whole lot of defense 676 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: down the stretch, and the last couple times he did play, 677 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: the majority of his snaps were on the outside, and 678 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about whether Chandler Jones comes back, Is 679 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: it possible that they think about putting him outside instead. 680 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happened with a Son Reddick. I 681 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: don't know how that's going to go. I mean, even 682 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, you know, bounce round played a bunch of 683 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: different places. You know, they praised him all season. He 684 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: played a ton of snaps. I didn't think there were 685 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: times when I was watching Isaiah Simmons that I still 686 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: feel like he's still trying to figure out where he 687 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: needs to be in space, sometimes as an inside linebacker. 688 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: But when you spend first round picks on these guys, 689 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: that's that you need something from them, and you need 690 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: something quickly. So you know, do they move on from 691 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks saying we've got to have these two first 692 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: round picks as or guys. I don't know what's going 693 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: to happen, but it's going to be fascinating to watch playouts. 694 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: The one thing I want to see is Isaiah Simmons 695 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: continue to grow. He was having to me a great 696 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: first half of the season. I don't know about you, Derb, 697 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: how you feel about that, but I thought he was 698 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: having a great first half of the season, and then 699 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I would say, maybe down the 700 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: last five six games of the season, he just really 701 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: started overrunning a lot of tackles and in the open 702 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: field he looked lost. Now, he made the unbelievable play 703 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: because he's so incredible athletically, made the great play where 704 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: he punched the ball out on Dak Prescott. How big 705 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: of a play that was. But man, he seemed to 706 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: regress to me in the open field in particular over 707 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: the last five or six games. Guys, I just want 708 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: to say this quickly. If I were the Arizona Cardinals, 709 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: and believe me, vance Joseph in the defense. They know 710 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: way more than I'll ever know, and they're gonna do 711 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: the right thing by Zaiah Simmons. But I just get 712 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: this feeling, guys that I'd love to stick him at 713 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: the weak side linebacker and tell him I want I 714 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: want you to master this position. You know I've been 715 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,959 Speaker 1: talking about this. I know everyone loves to move him around, 716 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: but I want you to master this position. And that 717 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: means taking on fullbacks because he's not afraid. He isn't. 718 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: I think he's his mind has got to be trained 719 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: to be a killer on the inside. It's funny that 720 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: you you bring up how he may have regressed a 721 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, let's face it, Wolf, you tell 722 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: me who who would you look on both sides of 723 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: the ball and not feel that way up? Yeah, yes, No, 724 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: you're right about that. He wasn't alone in that regard. 725 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I'll say this about Zaven Collins too. 726 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: If they bring back Jordan Hicks, Jordan Hicks will beat 727 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: out Zaven Collins again, especially advanced. Joseph is a defensive coordinator. 728 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident in saying that. It's one thing, Paulie, 729 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: you know what, It's a good point. The one thing 730 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to see though, is don't move him 731 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: outside again. I mean, you know, this is Hassan Reddick 732 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: part two. He wasn't even he wasn't even the backup 733 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: to Jordan Hicks this year. I mean, Tanner Vallejo and 734 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: Joe Walker Oh played above Davin Collins. I know, but 735 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: I know this guy's got all sorts of ability as well, 736 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: And sometimes you just gotta throw somebody out there and 737 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: you just got to let him sink or swim, and 738 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: then that's what That's what Jordan Hicks said. Somebody asked 739 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, if Jordan wasn't around next year, does he 740 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: think Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins are ready to be 741 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: those guys? And he basically said, yes, I think they 742 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: can do it. But he went on to say, because 743 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: that's what you drafted him for and at some point 744 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: you just got to stick him out there and they've 745 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: got to get it done. And so maybe that happens, 746 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: Maybe they move on from Jordan Hicks just to force 747 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Zavan Collins to have to play. I don't know, and 748 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how that leads you as a defense. 749 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: All right, Darren, you're on the hook right now. Where 750 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: did the Cardinals go with a twenty third pick? Overall? 751 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: Come on, now, let's go. I think the pass rush 752 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: is definitely in play, but I also think an offensive 753 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: lineman like a guard would be in play, and maybe 754 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: a wide receiver if somebody falls. I mean, we can 755 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: talk all day about the defense, but I do think 756 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: they need some pieces on offense. This offense needs to 757 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: get more consistent. Give me a guard, Give me a guard. 758 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: I'll take that all day right now. I don't even 759 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: care number twenty pay in the third round. Give me 760 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: a big slobber knocker, some blood gut that'll come off 761 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: the ball and just drill somebody. I'll tell you what. 762 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: Ninety ninety year division and the likes of Nick Bosa, 763 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: who moves around the defensive front. Yeah, I'm not against that. 764 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: So Darren, thank you for the time. There you go, Darren, 765 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: Urban Cardinals Inside or Acy Cardinals dot Com will come back. Well, 766 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: if I have a couple more theories, I'm gonna earhole 767 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: you with. Next on a Big Red Rage presented by 768 00:40:53,960 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: Santan Ford in Gilbert. Part of sports is that you 769 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: get to enjoy the highs, but then you also have 770 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: to live with the lows. And you hope to have 771 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: less lows and highs, obviously, but you know, if you're 772 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna ride high, and if you're going 773 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: to enjoy the good times, and if you're gonna be 774 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: confident and excited during the good times, you also got 775 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: to be you know, when it goes bad, you take 776 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: that too. So I'm not going to stand up here 777 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: and not take my lumps. I mean, we didn't do 778 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: what we were supposed to do. We started the season 779 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: great and we finished the season terrible. JJ Watt in 780 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: the Trust Tree with the media and the fans after 781 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: the playoff loss in La zach Ertz added at one 782 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: point telling the media, look, it's going to sting. I 783 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: want guys to feel this sting. Yes, So we wrap 784 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: up this edition of The Big Red Rage presented by 785 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: Santan Ford and Gilbert Why do you say? Yes, Ron 786 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: Wolfley And just because once again that's where you've got 787 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: to start. You want every player to characterize the season exactly, 788 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: exactly like jj Watt Jus did because he's telling the truth. 789 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: When you start ten and two, Paulie, when you start 790 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: ten and two and then you finish one and five, 791 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: including how they played in that playoff game, that's a 792 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: massive failure. And I think that should drive every player 793 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: that is coming back. You should be driven. And if 794 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: you're not driven, if you don't feel that you need 795 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: to go, especially coming off a year where you started 796 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: six and three and then lost five year last seven. 797 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: So you know, like we talked about in the team playing, 798 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals are gonna get Cardinals gonna start eight and three, 799 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: nine and three. No one's gonna believe it until they 800 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: prove it in December and January up next year. Yes, 801 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: and to do that well, you're gonna have to bolster 802 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: the roster because guess what, the NFC West is the 803 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: NFC best you are in the best division in football. 804 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: Here's Cliff Kingsbury on some of those items they're gonna 805 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: have to check off. We've got a lot of work 806 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: to do and we want to be better and finished 807 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: strong and all those things. But we definitely improved dramatically 808 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: in the first three years and are hoping to do 809 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: the same next year. And we're gonna have to. The 810 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: NFC West is a challenge here, and you're out with 811 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: great players and great teams and we got to make 812 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: some some real progress if we want to keep up. 813 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: Is there a next step for the head coach? Yeah, 814 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: you know what I believe, so, Polly, to your question, 815 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 1: I believe that the next step for Cliff Kingsbury is 816 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: being the alpha mel in the room. I think that 817 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,399 Speaker 1: is the next step for Cliff. Now again, Polly, when 818 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: I say that, that doesn't mean that he has to 819 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: turn into a screamer. No, he does not have to 820 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: turn into a screamer. He doesn't mean he has to 821 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: act like a jerk, Paul. He does not. But for me, 822 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: he's got to be the definitive voice that is inside 823 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: that locker room. He's got to be the alph. And 824 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: once again, I'm not talking about walking around and acting 825 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: all bad and everything up, because that's not Cliff, That's 826 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: not who he is. But Paul Bill Belichick never walked 827 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: around like that, yet everybody knew he was the alpha 828 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: in the room, and I think that's important in Cliff's 829 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: development as a head coach in the NFL taking that 830 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: next step. We saw a lot of that when they 831 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: started seven to ZO ten and two, did we not. 832 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: We witnessed that on the sideline. Chase Edmonds told us 833 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: on this very show that he personally fed off the 834 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: head coach and the increased intensity. So yeah, it's also confounding, 835 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, as to exactly how to diagnose what happened, 836 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: But internally, I'm guessing they know and they've already set 837 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: out about how to correct it going into next year. 838 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of you can join the Cardinals season ticket priority 839 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: list for the twenty twenty two season. Go at Easy 840 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash Priority List for more information. Special 841 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: thanks Darren urban, Ron Wolfley on Paul Calvic Special thanks 842 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: as always to Jim Almahundro and Jeff Darge. 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