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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain ronin Today we're speaking

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Speaker 4: with Alan Steinfeld. Alan's a writer, producer, and speaker in

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Speaker 4: the fields of human potential, metaphysics, consciousness, evolution, spiritual winkening,

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Speaker 4: and cosmic intelligences. He's the author of the book Making Contact,

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Speaker 4: and he also has a popular podcast called New Realities.

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Speaker 4: Alan's also been a speaker and contributor and big supporter

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Speaker 4: and friend of contact in the Desert. I'm so glad

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Speaker 4: to have him here today. Hey, my friend, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I was there from the beginning, wrong right there?

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Speaker 6: When were you at the first one?

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Speaker 5: I was at the first one everyone since. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: have to say, you've made it better than ever. Last

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Speaker 5: year was really probably one of the best years out

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Speaker 5: of what is it eleven or twelve?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks, man, I really appreciate it. We have

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Speaker 4: such a dedicated team. We are all so so committed

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Speaker 4: to this cause. I don't even know where that comes from.

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Speaker 5: It comes from a I think, an urgency to awaken

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Speaker 5: humanity to their potential. That's how I see it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, and how we fell into this role, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but man, it just it feels, you know, preordaining to us.

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Speaker 4: I got to tell you the other day, I was

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Speaker 4: watching the TV and I was watching the hearings and

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Speaker 4: they were showing clips and guess who I saw in

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Speaker 4: the audience. Allan Steinfeld.

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Speaker 6: So you got to go see the hearings. What was

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Speaker 6: that like?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you know, went down to Washington,

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Speaker 5: like you are a part of history. You are seeing

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Speaker 5: history and action. I think the most amazing thing about

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Speaker 5: these recent hearings is that for the first time we've

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Speaker 5: heard witnesses, we've heard experiences speak to Congress speak to

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Speaker 5: the public out loud now at some little oh you know,

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Speaker 5: support network, but to the world about their et contact

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Speaker 5: experiences and how to change how it changed their lives.

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Speaker 5: So that I think was the most dramatic moments there

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Speaker 5: at the hearings last week.

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Speaker 4: So we even had an actual active duty Navy officer,

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Speaker 4: Alex Wiggins, which I thought, I think that's a first.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I was more impressed with

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Speaker 5: these things are not explainable in the world we think exists.

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Speaker 5: And actually that's sort of where I'm going in my

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Speaker 5: next book. How do we could make possible the impossible?

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Speaker 5: That's what we're dealing with in this phenomenon on.

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Speaker 6: There's your title right there, buddy.

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Speaker 5: Which which which part?

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Speaker 4: Which one makes possible? What's impossible?

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Speaker 5: It's sort of Jeffrey Kriipe was talking about what's really

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Speaker 5: we can all agree about that. What are they doing here?

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Speaker 5: and they are obviously because they have craft them body,

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Speaker 4: mister Berlison just presented. You know, I have to admit

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not a step forward for that guy, it's

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Speaker 5: So this guy didn't believe, and now he's seeing the evidence.

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Speaker 5: So it helps our cause. And what is our cause?

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Speaker 5: The fact that reality is expanding that I keep bringing

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Speaker 5: UFOs are like an outreach program from the Cosmos for

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Speaker 4: I think that's right. I think we're at the infancy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but what do you make of Borland's testimony was

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Speaker 4: I wasn't sure what you talking about a bunch of it.

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Speaker 5: It's so buried. And I keep asking people like Danny,

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Speaker 5: Other thing that's involved with just that is amnesty. Do

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk with you more about the uIP

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Speaker 4: we'll get to your book Making Contact. The next two segments,

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact talking to Alen Steinfeld. Alan, did you find

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Speaker 4: it interesting that the commonalities that I heard from the

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Speaker 4: are all things we've heard in the subculture for years,

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Speaker 4: so it was interesting that they all brought those same

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was interesting that they said it in front

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Speaker 5: So that'sactly we can talk to anyone around the world

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Speaker 4: Well, come back. We're going to talk with Alan about

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Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast member. We are back on Beyond Contact speaking

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Speaker 4: with Alan Seinfeld. Hey, Alan, so your book Making Contact

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Speaker 5: Right, Yes, well, you know I have to say I

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Speaker 5: the phenomena and he made it okay as a psychiatrist,

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Speaker 5: as a professor at Harvard to say it's okay, you've

437
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Speaker 5: had those experiences. Well, maybe it's beyond his worldview, but

438
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Speaker 5: maybe you're saying something we all need to wake up to.

439
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 5: And obviously they are and still are so he made

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Speaker 5: it okay, He's such a huge figure in this field.

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Speaker 5: Every experiencer really owes a debt to him.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree. Did you notice a common thread or

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Speaker 4: theme among all these different perspectives from people.

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Speaker 5: Well, they all mentioned except Nick Pope, the idea of

445
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Speaker 5: to left the every essay is even people like Linda

446
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: Moulton Howell contributed, or Grand Cameron or the Hurtalks especially,

447
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 5: they all mentioned. So there seems to be the language

448
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Speaker 5: of the universe is not verbal, it's telepathic communications. And

449
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Speaker 5: of course this is what the telepathy tapes are so

450
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Speaker 5: important about. They're showing us really the value and potential

451
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Speaker 5: of human consciousness. And when I teach remote viewing, I'm

452
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 5: seeing it all the time. People can tap into the

453
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Speaker 5: infinite feel of awareness and this gets us directly in

454
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Speaker 5: touch with the consciousness of these beings. And if we

455
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Speaker 5: can expand our facility for telepathy, then maybe we can

456
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Speaker 5: have a dialogue with these beings, because that's how they

457
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Speaker 5: are showing up in people's lives. This is the first

458
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Speaker 5: of all the revolution and consciousness, but it's also the

459
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Speaker 5: ability to open the doorways to higher levels of et

460
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Speaker 5: contact and we have to develop that awareness like die

461
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Speaker 5: you can see through her blind folds, or these telepathy tapes.

462
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Speaker 5: Kids can read people's minds. We all have that capacity,

463
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Speaker 5: we just haven't been taught how to use it. And

464
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Speaker 5: what Diane Hennessey Power is saying, because our left brain

465
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Speaker 5: is over stimulated with language, it's in the way of

466
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Speaker 5: our SI ability. So what I'm excited about is teaching

467
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Speaker 5: people remote viewings so they get the impression and we

468
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Speaker 5: could telepathically communicate, and we can have a group consciousness

469
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Speaker 5: and we become available to this greater consciousness that is

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Speaker 5: probably talking to us, but we're so busy, you know,

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Speaker 5: speaking words when not hearing it. So that's really exciting

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 4: Did you happen to those any contradictions between these perspectives?

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Speaker 5: There's no. In these eleven essays and twelve VIVI include

475
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Speaker 5: George Nori's introduction, each has a little part of like

476
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Speaker 5: I said, the elephant, the contradiction, No, there's it's an evolution.

477
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Speaker 5: So it's really like we start I start with the outside,

478
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Speaker 5: like Nick Pope, the exo, the extern Why is the

479
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 5: government not telling us its secrets? Where are they covering up?

480
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Speaker 5: And then they go into the investigators Okay, like people

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Speaker 5: like Grand Cameron, he's an experience, but what is he

482
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Speaker 5: found in his research and all that? And then the

483
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Speaker 5: deeper researchers like Linda Moulten, how what has she learned

484
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Speaker 5: over thirty and forty years of understanding and looking at

485
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Speaker 5: this phenomenon. So it goes, it starts to go into

486
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Speaker 5: layers deeper. And then we get to Whitley Strieber and

487
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Speaker 5: he's an amazing contactee, right He's like the best in

488
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Speaker 5: the bunch. And then from that we go into Mary

489
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Speaker 5: Rodwell talking to these kids that have had their own

490
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Speaker 5: their born with an awareness. And then I kind of

491
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Speaker 5: finished up kind of fast forward through with Carol and Corey,

492
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Speaker 5: who's probably the closest thing we have to an et.

493
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Speaker 5: Right course, consciousness is really out there. So it is

494
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Speaker 5: a progression, so an it's a layering process, I'm not

495
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Speaker 5: I mean, there might be subtle contradictions, but everyone's looking

496
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Speaker 5: at it from the place they're at, right and they're

497
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Speaker 5: looking in terms of their own reference, and they're not

498
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Speaker 5: necessarily looking to contradict, They're looking to affirm what they know.

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Speaker 5: And then the next chapter takes us a little further

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Speaker 5: and a little deeper into this, you know, and Whitley's

501
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Speaker 5: talking about the afterlife stuff and all that.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, all that ties into this. You know, even

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Speaker 4: talking to non speakers, like all of those people are

504
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Speaker 4: are speakers who who have written about this topic. What

505
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Speaker 4: about just talking to regular contact these or whatever. It's

506
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Speaker 4: interesting what a diverse set of experiences people have using

507
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: their own lens. And I'm always fascinated by how different

508
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Speaker 4: they believe in one thing versus another.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a big point of contention. You get people

510
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Speaker 5: like Chris bloodsoe ye had an experience and he feels

511
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Speaker 5: healed from this, and you talk you read the research

512
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Speaker 5: of Karla Turner, you know who she was. She felt

513
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Speaker 5: they're killing her and they maybe did eventually. So do

514
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Speaker 5: you get these two different narratives by experiencers and what's right?

515
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: What's wrong?

516
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Speaker 4: I mean, are these two different experiences that have the

517
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Speaker 4: same being encounter and interpreted differently or are they visited

518
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Speaker 4: by two different quote unquote alien races?

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Speaker 5: Well, this is why we need all the information up

520
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Speaker 5: front for the public to discern that. I think it

521
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: really comes back to what Jeffrey Kriipe and other people say.

522
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Speaker 5: The phenomena is reflective. It's like if you if you're

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Speaker 5: a military guy who go out it with weapons, you're

524
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Speaker 5: going to have a negative respons to these orbs. But

525
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Speaker 5: if you come at it with love and openness, like

526
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Speaker 5: Chris Bludsoe, who is a beautiful guy, you're gonna receive

527
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 5: healing and you're gonna help other people heal. So maybe

528
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 5: it's that fine tune to our consciousness that it is

529
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Speaker 5: us looking in a mirror of sorts. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: that's just my that's the best I can understand doing.

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Speaker 5: Even John Max said, after people get over the trauma

532
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Speaker 5: of these abductions or contact, they become more spiritual, they

533
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Speaker 5: become more evolved, they move to a higher place of knowing.

534
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Speaker 5: So it comes down to is the universal friendly place?

535
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Speaker 5: That was a question Einstein post. But it comes down

536
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Speaker 5: to are they here for good bad? Is the multiple levels?

537
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Speaker 5: Or is it to serve men? Or is it childhood's end?

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Speaker 5: You know, It's like, sure, we are still having war

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Speaker 5: on this planet. People are still making war. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I just one of my favorite quotes is what H. G.

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Speaker 5: Wells wrote me years after you wrote War of the World.

542
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: He said, someday people will look back at an old

543
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Speaker 5: newspaper and magazine and think was there ever such a world?

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Speaker 6: We've got to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast

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Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact speaking with Alan Steinfeld. Ellen. You've been looking

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Speaker 4: at this topic for a long time now, so today

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, where do you sit? What's your best

550
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Speaker 4: guess as to what the source of this might be.

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to tell you what I'm working on.

552
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to understand what we've sort of been talking about,

553
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: the abduction phenomena. So you're in your house alone, the

554
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: doors are locked, the windows are closed, you're sleeping in bed,

555
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: and suddenly there's someone in the room looking at you,

556
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 5: waking up, teleporting you abordership. I mean, we've heard all that.

557
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: How does that happen? How do we fit that phenomena

558
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 5: into the worldview that we have, Well, it doesn't fit.

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00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 5: We have to change what we think is possible. That's

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Speaker 5: why I'm looking at what It's not just quantum physics,

561
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 5: it's more than that. What do we need to know

562
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: about the laws of the universe that these beings obviously

563
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Speaker 5: know because they've done it probably hundreds of thousands of times,

564
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Speaker 5: that we don't know. And how do we break out

565
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Speaker 5: of the box of limitation to think something's not possible?

566
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Speaker 5: How do we expand this window of awareness? So that's

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Speaker 5: what I'm sort of obsessed with. How do they plant

568
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 5: thoughts in our brain? What is this thing called consciousness?

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Speaker 5: And I think when we understand what consciousness really is,

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Speaker 5: this is a quote Edgar Mitchell said, We're going to

571
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Speaker 5: understand the phenomena. We're going to understand our own potential.

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Speaker 5: That's where I'm at now. I mean, yeah, Joe Despenser

573
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Speaker 5: talks about this, A lot of people talk about the

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Speaker 5: potential of consciousness. Diane Hennessy Powell, I think is a

575
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Speaker 5: real leader in the field. We need to understand this

576
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 5: thing that we are in a whole different way. There

577
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: needs to be much more of a consciousness revolution, and

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Speaker 5: that's what I think the phenomena is about on some levels. Yet,

579
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Speaker 5: Jock Vile said, I'd be very disappointed it was just

580
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Speaker 5: little visitors from another plant showing up, And He's right,

581
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 5: it's much more than that. But we are so locked

582
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 5: into this density we don't know what it. We don't

583
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: have the capacity because we've been limited to what we

584
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: can think. So that contact in the desert is such

585
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 5: an important event because it gives people a chance to network,

586
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 5: to share ideas, to throw out new possibilities, and to

587
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: have a place for it to land. You know. The

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00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 5: Experiencers groups are just fantastic there. But the speakers give

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00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 5: new options, of possibilities, of world views. And we need

590
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 5: to know that the worldview we have has been killing

591
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 5: the earth, killing each other, you know, making it unsustainable.

592
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 5: If we can change what we think is possible, new inventions,

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Speaker 5: new awarenesses, the ability to understand the greater mind comes online.

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Speaker 5: And that's really what I'm looking at. How does the

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Speaker 5: UFO phenomena lead to a greater understanding of us as

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Speaker 5: human beings or beings part of a galaxy?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 5: One more thing, We've always thought like we live in

599
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Speaker 5: a dead universe. Life was just a freak of nature,

600
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Speaker 5: This is our Darwinian model. But maybe life is an

601
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 5: emergent property of creation itself, and maybe intelligence and consciousness

602
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: is the foundation for all of that. Let's change. If

603
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Speaker 5: we have that worldview, what else is possible? It's not

604
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: right or wrong. Let's just change our position and how

605
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 5: we're looking at the world and see if we can

606
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 5: create a better understanding of science, physics, and the nature

607
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Speaker 5: of reality.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting the way it's evolved, like even just in

609
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Speaker 4: our community, how the way we look at this phenomenon.

610
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Speaker 4: I'm sure thirty years ago it was quite different. And

611
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Speaker 4: now as you keep bringing up how the side component

612
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Speaker 4: seems to be part of this and it definitely seems

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Speaker 4: to somehow be derivative from consciousness.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yes, something is happening in general to the side

615
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 5: component and consciousness. It is like the buzzword, even among

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Speaker 5: scientists who aren't even connected to the UFO phenomena. I

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: think the UFO phenomena, though, highlights what is possible for consciousness,

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Speaker 5: because if consciousness is not contained in the brain, which

619
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Speaker 5: is what we obviously show in remote viewing and near

620
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Speaker 5: death experiences and outer body, then what is this thing

621
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Speaker 5: that we really are? And if we are non local,

622
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Speaker 5: if consciousness non local, which remote doing proofs, then those

623
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Speaker 5: beings whoever they are, also have a non local consciousness

624
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 5: and we become we start to realize we're part of

625
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Speaker 5: a cosmos where related to this infinite field of awareness

626
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Speaker 5: and we have access to it, and that we're immortal,

627
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Speaker 5: that whoever we are, you know, is greater than the body.

628
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: And I in my class, I say, it's like a

629
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Speaker 5: radio way coming in and with the radio breaks, it

630
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Speaker 5: doesn't mean the signal has stopped.

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Speaker 4: Even people like Russell Bergh and Max Playing, these guys

632
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: said that consciousness survives death. And I find that best.

633
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Speaker 5: Russell was my remote dealing teacher. I sat down with him.

634
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Speaker 5: He said, I'm going to show you how to do this,

635
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: and that tape is still on YouTube and has like

636
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 5: a quarter million views. And I and I'm teaching what

637
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 5: Russell taught me because he was one of the founders there,

638
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 5: and I knew how to put off. I had met

639
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 5: Ingo Swan who lived around the corner from me in

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: New York, so I knew the founding fathers. Let's say,

641
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 5: of the phenomena.

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Speaker 4: Hey, outside of this book you put together, do you

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Speaker 4: have a favorite or let's say, most convincing account that

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Speaker 4: you've heard about a non human encounter non human intelligence?

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Speaker 5: A favorite? Well, I have my own write about in

646
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: the book where I was somehow taking a board or

647
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 5: I was driving cross country with his girlfriend. We stopped

648
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Speaker 5: by the side of the road and we just passed

649
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: out and we woke up in the same position. We

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Speaker 5: went to bed, and we like, and who remembers that

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Speaker 5: I don't remember, and it's like and I called him

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Speaker 5: when I was writing this book and I had talked

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Speaker 5: to him like maybe twenty years I said, you remember

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Speaker 5: that night we drove and she said, oh, yeah, the

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Speaker 5: night were frozen. Yes, And it's like, yes, she remembered

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Speaker 5: exactly I remember. And then I actually discovered the next

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Speaker 5: day I had a mark on the back of my

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Speaker 5: leg four prong puncture mar And coincidentally, when I got

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Speaker 5: back to New York, I started to meet Bud Hopkins

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Speaker 5: people and I said, when is this thing here? And

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Speaker 5: they go, oh, that's an abduction. It's like nothing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It did two things. It totally freaked me out because

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Speaker 5: I didn't remember it, and it made me obsessed from

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Speaker 5: nineteen eighty seven to this day with what happened to me?

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Speaker 5: What's going on? What's this all about? And it just

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Speaker 5: sucked me down the rabbit hole and I'm still down

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Speaker 5: that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 4: Well, I liked if someone was with you and had

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Speaker 4: the same experience that.

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Speaker 5: Least, Yes, I know it was actually our meeting seemed

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Speaker 5: like it was divinely connect like Eve Logren talks about

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Speaker 5: that love bites where people are set up in meetings.

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Speaker 5: So yes, Well, it's about looking at what we consider

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Speaker 5: impossible within our worldview, and how they the phenomena is

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Speaker 5: challenging us to go beyond what we thought was possible.

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Speaker 5: How do we stretch our minds to what the name

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Speaker 5: of my show is New Realities? What does it mean

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Speaker 5: to have a wider perception of what exists? How to

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Speaker 5: see fields of energy, how to connect with beings that

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Speaker 5: aren't visible or we're not taught to be here. So

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Speaker 5: it's about perception, you know, like I show in my

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Speaker 5: classes where that that that little clip of the people

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Speaker 5: passing the basketball and there's a gorilla walking through, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I say the same thing. You know, there are

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Speaker 5: probably beings around us right now, but we're not saying

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Speaker 5: because our perceptions haven't been trained to see it. You

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Speaker 5: only see what you've been trained to see and condition

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Speaker 5: to see, and if something else comes along, there's no

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Speaker 5: place to put it. Well, that's what the UFO phenomena

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Speaker 5: is about. Two people can be looking at the sky.

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Speaker 5: You know that one person can see it, another person can.

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Speaker 5: So it comes down to perception when I'm writing about

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Speaker 5: and how do we upgrade our perception to see more

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Speaker 5: of what reality is? And that is a daily practice

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Speaker 5: and it's becoming as noticing what you notice and don't

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Speaker 5: go unconscious. It's Youngian theory is involved with this, you know,

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Speaker 5: there's a deep level of perceptual theory. Cognitive science is

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Speaker 5: involved with this. How do we expand our neural nets

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Speaker 5: of awareness is also what Joseph bend is talking about.

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Speaker 5: So I'm taking all this research and apply it to

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Speaker 5: the phenomena. So finally we can make contact and go

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Speaker 5: beyond contact and have an interface perhaps with these beings.

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Speaker 5: That's very cool.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like a great approach and look forward to that.

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Speaker 4: You can find Alan at Newrealities dot com. You can

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Speaker 4: find me on Twitter and Instagram at c I T

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Speaker 4: D Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out contact

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