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Speaker 1: from the Chris Wesley podcast studio, it's around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansas. I got heroes here, some of them.

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, hearty, hearty. Thank you to everyone

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Speaker 1: an outpouring on the old social media of positivity and

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Speaker 1: congratulations and strolling down memory lane after we made our

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Speaker 1: big E IS for Extension announcement on Thursday's show. So

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Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who said kind words. That is

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Speaker 1: look at Mark. Sharon says be kind on it four

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Speaker 1: times in different letters, and certainly that's what we felt

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Is it is that like a

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Speaker 1: It's actually, um my wife's T shirt. I'll start there,

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Speaker 1: Is that a humble brag or I don't know where

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Speaker 1: but you share it. That is interesting. Do you share

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Speaker 1: We're now going to be entering our tenth season together

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have to start catalog and we're gonna

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427
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Speaker 1: me throwing out the takes and you you judging it

428
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: on one to contrarian. But you had this vision of

429
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I want I want to see where this goes.

430
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: The shouldn't be close to an autopsy procedure, just the

431
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: trays of food that you're eating off of, Like it

432
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: sounds unrighteous. Um, here we go. I like that. In fact,

433
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: let's fold that into it. It's part of the overall conversation.

434
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Speaker 1: What is it contrarian? Or it was like I missed

435
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: that text entirely, so you were You actually also responded

436
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: to Greg's texts and said, I think that's a really

437
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: good idea. There's a lot there. And then it was

438
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: just people are learning. This is an autopsy of how

439
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: the show has made. I missed it. That's listen. You

440
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: gotta take ownership. Sometimes. Henry sent a very nice tweet

441
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: out and he's like, you, guys, you don't even know

442
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: the the amount of work that goes on behind the

443
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: scenes to make around the NFL what it is, and

444
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: this is it right here, these texts takes a lot

445
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: of work at least. Um, all right, let's get into it. Uh,

446
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: it's on the slab. It's time to dig in, and

447
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: I'll start here. Greg. Okay, you go through all these

448
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: rosters and when you see the teams, when you're writing

449
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: these up the teams that had the really strong roster

450
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: that are super Bowl content. On the teams at the

451
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: very top of this exercise in terms of loaded teams,

452
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: quote unquote, what was the biggest flaw on an otherwise

453
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Speaker 1: really strong roster, Like, what was one that really stood

454
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: out to you was like, oh wow, okay, uh, this

455
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: could undermine a potential champion. I feel like with more

456
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: than not, it's offensive lines. I would say the Bills

457
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: offensive line. I like love the Bills in general. How

458
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: can you not? And if you look at their offensive line,

459
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: they were mediocre last year, I would say, and they

460
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: kind of replaced guys with run first type of players.

461
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: So could Josh Allen be under a lot of pressure here? Uh?

462
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown, Uh, Roger Staffolds who didn't have the best

463
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: season for the Titans last year. Gravers Titans, Like, you know,

464
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: they they played this guy, Ryan Bates, who's a restricted

465
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: free agent. That's one that immediately comes to mind. Certainly

466
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: the Packers pass catchers is but that's an obvious one, right,

467
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: But I thought you kind of thought maybe that wouldn't

468
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Speaker 1: be too too much of an issue, you know, because

469
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the team is is great.

470
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: I would say the Broncos are similar in the offensive

471
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a couple of teams like

472
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: that where the Broncos offensive line can ruin everything. The

473
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: offensive line could be an issue for some of these teams.

474
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Speaker 1: How about you mark throughout something so as you go

475
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: through thirty two of these and you know, obviously it's

476
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Speaker 1: not like you're just meeting these teams for the first

477
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: minute when you do it. But was there one team

478
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Speaker 1: where your impression of who they are what they are

479
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: right now changed the most that you maybe learned about

480
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: the most, or maybe alter the way you feel about them.

481
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: I felt like the Cardinals pop up as a team

482
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Speaker 1: that after I was over, it was like this team

483
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Speaker 1: could win five games, Like what what when you look

484
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: at the Cardinals? What do you look at and say, like,

485
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're good at? Like, what is our big

486
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: asset here? Now? Maybe it's when DeAndre Hopkins returns, it's

487
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Brown and Hopkins and or and you

488
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Speaker 1: have this vision of that all works in a passing game.

489
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Speaker 1: I guess that's it. But I don't know. The offensive

490
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: line on paper not getting me excited very thin. I

491
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: think they overachieved in the secondary, but for the most part,

492
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Speaker 1: I'm not in love with that group. They have these

493
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: two linebackers they drafted in the first round, uh Zaven

494
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Isaiah Simmons, who's kind of underperformed. Their

495
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: defensive line, and their pass resh looks very thin, and

496
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of that division and you

497
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: think about the coaching and the strife that's going on,

498
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: and I felt much different about them, like worse. There

499
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: were certain teams that I probably felt better. Toots would

500
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Speaker 1: be one. So would you would you classify the Cardinals

501
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: as like a a bad surprise where you went that

502
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: would be a bad surprise. Yeah, what about a good surprise?

503
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: The team where you're going through the roster. You didn't

504
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: think much about them, and then all of a sudden,

505
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: it's like, WHOA, what do we got cooking here? I

506
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: thought I'd be more down on the Colts than I am,

507
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: and now I'm sort of convinced. Their pass rush, for instance,

508
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: and their defense in general. They lost ebra Flos, the

509
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, but I think replacing um who was Xavier

510
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Rhodes with Stephan Gilmour is good at cornerback and then

511
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: you look at that pass rush Quity Pay who I

512
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Speaker 1: liked in his second year, and then Buckner and adding

513
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Speaker 1: in gock Way and they have um, the guy coming

514
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: off a torn a c l slipping in my mind

515
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: in his second year, Like, I like their defense a lot.

516
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: And then I kind of looked at the rest of

517
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: the group and I'm thinking, like, Okay, I'm back on board,

518
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: back on board with the Colts. The Bengals were another one,

519
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: not that I should be surprised by them, but I

520
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: would say like, yeah, I was pleasantly surprised in a

521
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: good way. The Saints, Like the more I looked at him,

522
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think people are a little too down

523
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: in the Saints. Everyone is jumping on the Lions bandwagon.

524
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Is the concept of a fun team that could, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: suddenly win some games in a pretty shoddy division. Do

526
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: you buy into the Lions after this project or do

527
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: you say no, Oh, I'm totally in on the Lions.

528
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I think, what does it mean? What does that mean?

529
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Like just being a fun, exciting team, Like I had

530
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Speaker 1: these things written down that we're like maybe, um, because

531
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what we're gonna do here totally that

532
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: were maybe the hot takes that you guys. I mean,

533
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: there are some of these that I've already and one Yeah,

534
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that makes sense. We're both

535
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: medical examiners. We may have different numbers. One of them

536
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: was like, okay, everyone's in on the Cults. The Lions

537
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: offensive line, great offensive line, looks like a top five

538
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: offensive one. How about the Lions defensive line might be

539
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: a top five to ten defensive line. You're cooking with

540
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: gas here that both of these lines could be among

541
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: the very best in the league. Here's what you're working with,

542
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson added to a group that already had Romeo Acquara,

543
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Charles Davis is coming off I mean, Charles Harris coming

544
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: off a career year. You have these two young defensive

545
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: tackles who they're hoping to develop. Own was own Rozarique.

546
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: You have Romeo our Car's brother. You have a Lee McNeil.

547
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of players. I didn't even mention

548
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's they drafted Josh Pascal. I like the teams

549
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: that's got like seven or eight guys where their backups

550
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: at like some teams starters is contraryan ten or? Is

551
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: it one hundred in this exercise. I don't know. Oh,

552
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was a ten. That was just I

553
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Speaker 1: just didn't want to come in with something. If we're

554
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Speaker 1: going to a scale one, I'm going to give that

555
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: a four because I think you backed up. I agree

556
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: with the offensive line and if it's not a wild

557
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: hot take from out of space, with the facts that

558
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: you the defensive line would be the top ten part

559
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: you need. You need these things to click, obviously, like

560
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutcheson has to hit the ground running, Joshua Pascal,

561
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: you need that guy to hit the round running ground running.

562
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: You get Um Levi a newsic car. Yeah, that's a

563
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: tough one. Uh. He's the second year pro, so you

564
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: need these guys to get him Mabel who they drafted

565
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: high last year, both of them. And we're like, fine,

566
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that you can like be totally

567
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: on board that they're gonna be people like Aaron Glenn too.

568
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: He is a guy seen as an on the rise

569
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. UM could put himself and if they take

570
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: the leap, he will be a hot name on the

571
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: head coach market UM next year. Aaron Glenn, all right,

572
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: I will give that a five. You know, I think

573
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: that was and that's good. I think that's kind of

574
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: where that means. It's it's a reason to take that

575
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: wasn't one of my higher rank but they tried to

576
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: rank like if I only had time for a few

577
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that did say I have to say, you said that

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00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: that they could be special in the right up, which,

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna move it. But that's a contrarian

580
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna six. I'm gonna put it six. It's good though,

581
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: it's Lyons pop is tryon right now, right, it's not

582
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: it's not contrarian. Um. How about Khalil Mack is the

583
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: third biggest free agent addition to the third most important

584
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: three free agent addition to the Chargers defense. To me,

585
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: where you look where they struggled a year ago. J C. Jackson,

586
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: I think is gonna have a bigger impact. And then

587
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: you've got Sebastian Joseph Day, who's really fixing a position

588
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: that they didn't that they needed more. They also added

589
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson, who's like a run stopper, so that kind

590
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: of combining those two. Max replacing a guy who was

591
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: pretty good in the first place, Nuosu who had who

592
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: had a nice impact and like that team. Maybe I'm

593
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: ranting too much, but that that team has a lot

594
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: of questions on their defense. There's a lot of talent

595
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: that they got to produce it didn't produce last I

596
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: like this one. I'm gonna give this a six and

597
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: a half because if you get the version of Khalil

598
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Mac where you're not getting what you had a couple

599
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of years ago, uh, then it isn't a massive upgrade

600
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: from what they had. I do think though, because he

601
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: knows he knows the system, he knows Brandon Staley really well,

602
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: and you've got but what it could do is help

603
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: Bosa in so many ways if he comes in and

604
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: plays like the good version of Khalil Max. But I

605
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: still think that's a spicy take six points. I think

606
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like the contrarian thing is that maybe

607
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: that was the wrong way to look at it, but

608
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a spicy meatball. Like I think that's

609
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: pretty spicy meatball. Um. I put that in a seven

610
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: and a half because I think people like to gravitate

611
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: towards who's the veteran name same thing up in Buffalo,

612
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: von Miller. He's going to be the guy that puts

613
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: him over the top. Well, this is the von Miller

614
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: that showed up in the playoffs. Yes, it was the

615
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: von Miller that is another year older. And maybe in

616
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: decline they're gonna need other guys are gonna end up

617
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: being more important. But I like that one. We're flying.

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00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling. Greg, give us an Now, I'm just

619
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: doing these like this. Okay. I wish you guys would

620
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: have flagged this before this morning. We should do something

621
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: like that, I mean did if you read the thread,

622
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: he looks very much like you looked at Greg's suggestion

623
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: in response to suggestion, because you're a nice guy when

624
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: in general, when you want a disregard to an idea,

625
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: you probably just will ignore it. And we it was also,

626
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: by the way, Sunday for us. You know, we were

627
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: having our own Sunday, so it was like it on Sunday.

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00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: This morning was maybe you're right, I don't even remember.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin dangers and was doing it Sunday if

630
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but hey, I was. I was the assistant

631
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: coach the season finale for the Dodgers. The l A

632
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: Dodgers Walker Rosen was This was this only text thread

633
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: that also has Graver on it. No, this was this was,

634
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: this was this morning was just us doing who cares?

635
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: All right, here's um, here's one. Josh McDaniels retaining, that's fun.

636
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel retains, it's like that's fun or it sounds good,

637
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: like no matter what the idea is, that's true. Well,

638
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: that's It's kind of why I wanted to bring this

639
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: whole thing up because I think our listeners will enjoy it. Was.

640
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: I have no memory of what's occurred in the past.

641
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead, all right, here's another one. Mike McDaniel,

642
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Dolphins coach, retaining defensive coordinator Josh Boyer top top five

643
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: sneaky big moves of the off season that no one's

644
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: talking about. I flat out agree with you, because the

645
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: other thing is you get a new scheme, ten ten

646
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: new players. The defense was good. I don't know if

647
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a spicy people, but you look at that defense.

648
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: Every year. I do this exercise every year. I think

649
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: this team doesn't really look this roster doesn't really look

650
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: that good. And then I'm more down on the Dolphins

651
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: than I should be. And then Flora's and Boyer because

652
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: you gotta give Boyer some credit. He was a coordinated

653
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: somehow make the parts bigger than the Some of their

654
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: parts are are bigger. And if you look at this defense,

655
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: it's mostly the same guys they brought back, uh, similar guys.

656
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: They added some young talent. They kept the same coordinator

657
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: knew first time Howard coached. That's a little unorthodox. It actually,

658
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I think shows a little self confidence that this is

659
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: a smart thing. Just keep this together, because they always

660
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: end up performing better than you think on paper. I

661
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: look at them, they're like, okay, you know what you

662
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: never see And it would be the next level of

663
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: like removing ego from all of this and just truly

664
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: wanting this team to thrive. What if Vic Fonio had said,

665
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: look at I'm cool, stay as your defensive coordinator and

666
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: let hack it do the same thing. I know that

667
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: just never happens, but in this case, I'm with you.

668
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I thought. McDaniel basically said, let's lean on our strength,

669
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: take out all the things that we learned after the firing.

670
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: And of course the lawsuit that's going on right now

671
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: involving Brian Flores and the Dolphins. Uh, just what he

672
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: was able to bring to that team um uh him

673
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: leaving the door, and he's a defensive minded coach. It

674
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see if they are able to

675
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: continue to thrive with him gone. I like trying to

676
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: keep the same system though, and the same I should say,

677
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: like their front seven could be kind of fun. Jalen Phillips.

678
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: They got Van Ginkle and Melvin Ingram are there kind

679
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: of ed dressers. You have ag but you have Wilkins

680
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: Like that's pretty good, but the secondary could be special.

681
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Davian Howard again back Byron Jones, great number two, and

682
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: then Javon Holland who really flashed as a rookie safety,

683
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: and then they like Brandon Like, that's four guys who

684
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: you think could be difference makers in the same second,

685
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: saying anything critical about Miami because I feel like the

686
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: last couple of shows I've brought up negative things about them.

687
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Certainly there's a path here where the defense plays well

688
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: to it takes the next step, and this is an eleven.

689
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: The defense has been under the radar, that's sort I

690
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: was like, what happened we talked about yet this offseason.

691
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Here I know someone who's been very critical of him,

692
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and we're about to talk to him. In a few minutes,

693
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: and I would like to ask him a question. He

694
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: was at Dolphins good last week. My question, alright, Greggy,

695
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: give us another one. Okay, the Cowboys defense. I kind

696
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of forgot how good the Cowboys defense was most of

697
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: the last year. Do you guys remember that they were

698
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: number two and defense and it ended in very Cowboys fashion.

699
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: I start of forgot about that after a disastrous year

700
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: of the prior, right, and I was going into this

701
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: thinking like, it's been a really bad off season for them.

702
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, they lost Freddy Gregory two on defense and secondary.

703
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: There's still some good pieces here. But here's the take,

704
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: which is that their defense comes down to Neville Gallimore

705
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: and Osa Diggi Zua making a big leap, and those

706
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: two guys are capable of making a big leap. If

707
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: those two guys make a big leaf both defensive tackles,

708
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: they could be right back there as one of the

709
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: best defenses in the league. You again, here's that word,

710
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: that s word. You said they could be special. You

711
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: wrote um de Marcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons there and

712
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: the Randy Gregory absence you don't see as a killer

713
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: for them. Potentially, I mean, he's how many useful periods

714
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: of football has Randy ever given you? I can go

715
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: find them. There was about three hundreds of four hundred

716
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: snaps at once. It happened in two thousands seventeen, and

717
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: then it happened for a stretch last year. Then he

718
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: got hurt and he came back and he wasn't really

719
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: the same at the end of the year. He's never

720
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: played more than five I think that loss has been overstated.

721
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: And they have these two young guys who I like,

722
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: O DIGGI Zoo look great last year. Gallimore I thought

723
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: was great as a rookie. You didn't see it as much.

724
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: So you have those two guys. You have Lawrence and

725
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: and Parsons maybe the best duo in the league. You

726
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: brought in Dante Fowler, you got Doris Armstrong who has

727
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: done some things. It's like that's a great group. And

728
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: on paper, the rest of the defense like doesn't get

729
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: me jazz. But they they're all pretty young, and they

730
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: were all there last year when it was going so well. Ell,

731
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: so I can't like get to down I had I

732
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: had in my notes. I had something about the Cowboys

733
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss because I'm glad you hit on

734
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: it because I'm given this an eight out of ten

735
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: in terms of spicy meatball, because there's been so much

736
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: critical talk of the Cowboys uh this spring uh that

737
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going too much the other way.

738
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: Where you look at this roster, it's like, Okay, yes,

739
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe the wide receiver group isn't as good as it

740
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: used to be, maybe the offensive line is long in

741
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: the tooth now, but there is certainly a path where

742
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: this team again wins that division that that that's a

743
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: double digit win team. I think we assume this is

744
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: gonna be a down cycle year for Dallas because that

745
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: just feels the way it's probably where the land, but

746
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: the pieces are there to be good well. I think

747
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: also like the the division they're in could inflate you

748
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: to extra wins to get into a wild card if

749
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: they don't manage to knock out Philly and that thing.

750
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: But dan Quinn made this all work. It's the same system,

751
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I I don't think the defense

752
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: needs to have a bigger fall off. I think that

753
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: the perception around Dallas was the way they mishandled and

754
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: have mispaid certain players on offense. I had a lot

755
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: to do with this. It's mostly the offense, and and

756
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty basic with my concerns there, and I think

757
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: there are concerns, but the defense I kind of forgot

758
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: like that. You look at the corner cornerbacks and yeah,

759
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs picked off a lot of passes, but you're

760
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: not like that excited. But they performed pretty well. Malee

761
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Cooker and j Ron Curs where their safety is not

762
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: big names, but they played quite well last year. Um yes,

763
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: and you know Zeke Elliott, you knowed here this is

764
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: most likely his final season in Dallas, and I don't

765
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe he's not as explosive as he once was. But

766
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: there's a chicken and egg situation here because the offensive

767
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: line isn't as good as it once So it's either

768
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: so you do you take him maybe lost a step

769
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line is taking a step back. That's become

770
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: a very ordinary running game on some levels. But maybe

771
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: he also seed some playing time. Um as the maybe

772
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: it becomes more of a tandem approach. Straight up, at

773
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: this point, uh In should game with Tony Pollard. Alright,

774
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: anything else, Gregg, All right, let's just do some rap

775
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: rapid uh takes here. I'm just gonna throw out a

776
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: bunch of maybe you can you can pick which is

777
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: the spy and I go back and forth and we

778
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: just give a number after Okay, I was gonna say

779
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the spiciest meatball of the group, but okay, we can

780
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: do that. We'll go rapid by Gary. Rashan Gary all pro?

781
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: Can I just say one last thing? Yeah, I'm sorry

782
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: again about the text, Stepho. That was okay. I don't

783
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: think that we just blame you. I can understand how

784
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: it happened. I also thought it happened yesterday. It was

785
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: this morning. So all right there, you gotta start Rashan

786
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: Gary All Pro season coming eight point five. That's a

787
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: spicy meat ball as an eight and a half, okay,

788
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: George Carl loftus rookie pass rusher, the key to the

789
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense. Let me these are spicy. Now we're getting somewhere.

790
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: That's a nine, the key one of the keys. Do

791
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: you want to give a little nug along with these?

792
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: It's like press rush looks like a big problem if

793
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: he does not deliver. And uh pff loves this Like

794
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I like this type of player. He reminds me a

795
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a Marcus Davenport Jenevan Clowney type. So

796
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do well. Maybe not superstar, but

797
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: do well. But they really need him otherwise. I don't know. Man.

798
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: This is what Andy Reid had to say about him.

799
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: He goes one hundred miles an hour walk through everything.

800
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: We had to slow him down. He's relentless. He's had

801
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: glowing reports and shorts. The Broncos if you added up

802
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: the skill position players and pass rushers, uh, they have

803
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: the most quality players in the league at those spots.

804
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: Say that categories against skill position players and pass rushers, Like,

805
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: if you're adding up who has the most of both

806
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: of those combined quality? Just you just sort of slammed

807
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. But yeah, but like I'm saying, like quality players.

808
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying top five guys, but like quality players.

809
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: And then that team went and got a potential Hall

810
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback seven point eight because I think I do.

811
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: I do feel like we thought the Broncos were ready

812
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: to go minus quarterbacks, like like they have about like

813
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: six pass rushers and that you know, most teams that

814
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: I really want to see Jerry Judy take a big

815
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: leap this year. We all see it as a possibility.

816
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: What was that Broncos country, Let's riot, that's one of

817
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: the rushes um egos backups on the lines better than

818
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: a lot of starters. We know you like that. And

819
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: then finally, this is just more of a statement. I'm

820
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching the New York Giants play offensive football.

821
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: You know what I let me say, And that's that's

822
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: a good from you. That's a ten after what happened

823
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: in two and again in don't believe me, but it's

824
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: just the truth. Uh I saw that. It definitely caught

825
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: my I that you were speaking somewhat positively. And there

826
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: is I feel like the Candarius Tony um army out there, Norris,

827
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: but I know that's probably the other person. I guess

828
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: he would be the X factor because they kind of

829
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: they could use someone that kind of breaks free. And

830
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: you made the good point like who's like the outside

831
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: threat in that group of Sterling Shepherd, uh wandall Robinson

832
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: and Cadarius Tony, Like how does that break down? And

833
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: does Daniel Jones have the ability to make the most

834
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: of these guys to step up? Like the first season

835
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: in half a decade, you don't lose like combined snaps

836
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: by potential starters on your offense. Well, that's that's out

837
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: of their control. Unless you want to get a strength

838
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: and conditioning coach on the show next week. No I did,

839
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: I did not wish to What would he tell us? All?

840
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying there were injuries. Those guys

841
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: are good. I am suggesting that a Health Giants team

842
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: would have been watchable in years past to some degree.

843
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: That could be this guy gets it a good app

844
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: likes like um, like second long p s a s

845
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that just you know, play before you watch a real video.

846
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: I think if you're starting this new feed, you want

847
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: to think like what can get the most attention in downloads?

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Speaker 1: And I think going through season by season old Giants

849
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Speaker 1: rosters and seeing what injury invests they had, that could

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Speaker 1: be it. Like the number one tenant of this show,

851
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: news wise, was always been looking forward, So it would

852
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: be a massive pivot from what's made this successful. Um yeah,

853
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: so stay tuned. This guy gets it with Mark Sessler

854
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: also still still potentially in the mix, not in the mix,

855
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: still in the mix, not in the mix. I'm with myself. Also,

856
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: that was more that was a spot for a I'm

857
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: annoyed now drop grave digger, just so you know I'm annoyed.

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Speaker 1: Now there you go. All right, good job. Check out

859
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: nfl dot com slash Projected Starters, always a great read

860
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: and a good way to bone up gross. Let's take

861
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: a break and then get to Mr Mike west Off.

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00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Our guest today is one of my all

863
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: time favorites on the sidelines in the NFL. Great Run

864
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: is the Jet special team's coach from two thousand one

865
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: to two thousand and twelve. But he has a thirty

866
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: two year career. Uh He now retired with the Cults, Dolphins, Jets,

867
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: and Saints. Bethel Park p a native, and now he's

868
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: got a new book out called Figure it Out My

869
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: thirty two year journey while revolutionizing pro football special teams.

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00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: It's Mike west Off. Welcome to around the NFL. Mr

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00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: west Off, Well, thanks, guys, no happy to be here.

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00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: This is let's start with the let's start with the

873
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: subhead of the book, because we love you for your

874
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: candor and you've always been a guy that's spoke in

875
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: your mind. And and this is what the kids would

876
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: call a flex when you say my thirty two year

877
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: journey while revolutionizing pro football special teams? Yes, what do

878
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: you think you did? What did you bring? I know

879
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: this is kind of a broad question, but this is

880
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: where where we can start. What was it that you

881
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: brought that was different from what way special teams were before?

882
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: You kind of establish yourself and made yourself, um, such

883
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: a star in that realm. Okay, I'll give you two

884
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: answers to it. First of all, I had nothing to

885
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: do with writing that. Just disown it. You know you

886
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: did it, you revolutionized And he agrees. You know that's

887
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: written by that that's written by the publisher. As he

888
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: went through and his way, he looked at what happened.

889
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: That's so I'm okay with it. What the question is,

890
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: what did I have to do with it? Pretty much everything?

891
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: Oh I love it? What the what does that mean? Though? Like?

892
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: What did you what do you think you see? What's

893
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: the lasting impact? Okay, I'll give it to you. When

894
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I first started in the job in two with Frank Bush,

895
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: I was hired to Frank and it's a great score

896
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: egg and you have to read that one. But I

897
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: was the frank head jobs available. He look he needed

898
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: a strength coach. The guy that might help with special teams.

899
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: Need a tight ends vote all right, assistant offensive line coach,

900
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: someone to help them. He said, I'm not sure how

901
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: to do this. I said, I'll do them all. Get

902
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: them all to me. Now. I didn't do any of

903
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: them very well, I'll tell you the truth, but I

904
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: said them all. So I started. And then we were

905
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: in our first year and we played two games and

906
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: went on the players around Drke. I was out for

907
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: a jog one day and came across Frank and he said,

908
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: come on, walk with me. I want to talk to you.

909
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna fire special teams coach. He said, Mike,

910
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: he's terrible. I said, don't fire him. He's helping the defense.

911
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Let me take it over. Well, yeah,

912
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: good news, My thanks a lot. I knew nothing. I

913
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't know a thing about special teams. What I realized

914
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: in a hurry he gave me a notebook. No book

915
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: should have come with the bounds, and it was terrible.

916
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: So I started this and what I found out in

917
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: a hurry was that there were no special teams coordinators

918
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: then there just it was divided up among the staff.

919
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: There was very little, if any creativity and that very little.

920
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: It was just very not It was not innovative, and

921
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: there was also almost no regulation, so you can try everything.

922
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: So what I did I called the philosophy. I wanted

923
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: to have a coverage team emulate a defense, and I

924
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: wanted to blitz. My defense was gonna blitz. So I

925
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: went to budget person, one of the great defensive coordinators

926
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: in NFL history. I said, but take me through the

927
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: perimeters of blitzing. I patterned my pickoff coverage after that,

928
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: and I believe anybody would tell you that was coverage

929
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: to ever go against, which we were really going and

930
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: presented a problem. Then as an offensive coach, I thought, well, okay,

931
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: what am I going to pick off return? What's this

932
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: to be like? Well, I wanted it to be a

933
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: power off tackle running play, so I double team and

934
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: I tracked my kickout was away. I learned how it

935
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: cut the backside off, just like offensive line would have

936
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: to do, and I patterned it after that, and we

937
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: broke pretty much most of the records, so you know,

938
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: it worked. And that's how I developed myself as a

939
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: special team's coach and a coordinator. But it's on I

940
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: came a a at the right place, in the right time.

941
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: I hoped it was part of it. I think I

942
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I think I had a part thanking it to a pinnacle.

943
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: It has since, because of rule changes, etcetera, become you know,

944
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: it's gradually deleted on a little bit. You know, have

945
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the number of plays, so things are vastly different. And

946
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: but I believed I was part of that rise. Also,

947
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: there were a great number of other coaches that jumped

948
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: right in with us, and we took it to a

949
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: point of real prominence. And it was fun to be

950
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: a part of. And that's what I wrote about Coach.

951
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you something because you know, as

952
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: we researched and looked at this book and some of

953
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: the the quotes coming out of it and some of

954
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: the stuff that you wrote, I mean, it's obviously very

955
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: rich with your time with the New York Jets. You

956
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: talk about Tim Tebow in a very pointed way. You've

957
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: got some stuff on Eric Manginie, Rex Ryan, the whole caboose.

958
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: But I read that you had to utilize your girlfriend

959
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: as what you called a dial down instructor because some

960
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: of your takes, some of your anecdotes were a little

961
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: too hot for the public. Is that true? That's correct.

962
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: Let's bring them out now, Mike, if you could, no,

963
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: I won't do that, would read. I would read parts

964
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: to her almost every night, and you know, and sometimes

965
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: she would say, you know, Mike, that down a little bit.

966
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I actually did help me

967
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: with that because I'm not afraid. I'm not trying to

968
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: be overcritical, and I tried to be very fair. I

969
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: mean some of the things, don't you know, some of

970
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: the things that a little bitness misunderstood, Like with Tim Tebow.

971
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you real quickly. Um, Tim Tebow is what

972
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: he is, you know he was. He's a marginal quarterback

973
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: at past He's a Heisman Trophy winner that deserves to

974
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: win it. In my opinion, he managed what he had

975
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: exceptionally well. Now, when we signed Tim Tebow, it was

976
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: under the premise that he would be a multitalented guy

977
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: to play a number of positions and be like a

978
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: wildcat quarterback. He was gonna play for me on my

979
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: put team because I could do all the faced with them.

980
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that upheld that part of the bargain.

981
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: I used him, and he did a great job. With me,

982
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow was not part of the problem. Tebow is

983
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: what he is. Is he a starting quarterback in the

984
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: halfl I don't please so hey. Bill Belichick had the

985
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: same opinion, asked him, you don't believe me because he

986
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: did the same thing. They let him go. But that

987
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: was the reality of the situation, and we never used

988
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: an offense. So in my opinion, that was very, very

989
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: much much used and the Tebow was only part of

990
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: that equition. That always felt to me, Mike as as

991
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: a Jets fan, um an example of one hand not

992
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: washing the other. Where you knew ownership perhaps and certain

993
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: figures in the organization, Oh let's get this kid in

994
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the building will be the story of the league. And

995
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: then the coaching staff. For the most part, you had

996
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: a defined role for him that you used. I remember

997
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: him being the punt protector. In that role throughout the season,

998
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: it became pretty apparent that he didn't really have a

999
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: role on that offense, and that kind of that reminded

1000
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: me of when I think about that era of Jets

1001
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: football when things really started to snowball in the wrong

1002
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: direction and the and the team really went downhill in

1003
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: a hurry. I always think of that time with Uh

1004
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: with Tebow. I'm I'm also curious your your career ended

1005
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: in two thousand after the two thousand eighteen season, Mike Uh,

1006
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: the final game I guess that you coached Saints Rams

1007
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: NFC title game, a game that you've UH said before

1008
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: was the toughest loss of your long career, and that,

1009
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: of course was the Nickel Robie Coleman game between the

1010
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: Saints and Rams. Was it difficult to go out on

1011
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: that in that matter? And was there a part of

1012
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: you that said, I can't go out with a game

1013
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: that painful when you had a super Bowl window there?

1014
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: Take us through that a little bit. I didn't see

1015
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: it that way. It was time for me to go.

1016
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: I coached thirty two years. I was a pretty good

1017
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: football we had taken that team, which I'm correcting that

1018
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: assessment Drew was drewid had had a career. Was love

1019
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: Wing just a tiny bit something? A great player? I

1020
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: think Sean Payton is an absolute excellent football coach. As

1021
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: I wrote about my book, He's the best on the

1022
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: field teacher I ever saw. Trust me. I used to

1023
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: sit there on Thursday and watch him design to play.

1024
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Seen the draft chain thing on Sunday exact. That's how felt,

1025
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: that's how delivered he is in his teaching. So that

1026
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: for me was, you know, I felt that team. I

1027
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: felt the year before that we could have fought when

1028
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: we had the Minnesota miracles, they beat us. This was

1029
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: a good football team that had fought its way. Nothing

1030
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: needed to go to the Super Bowl, and I didn't

1031
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: get that chance. I was disappointed. For me personally, it

1032
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: was one of the I felt that they had a

1033
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: real weapon on their cut team, and when they ran face,

1034
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: they were very good at it. I researched it. I

1035
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: went back and studied everything they did all the way

1036
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: into St. Louis. I think I came up with my

1037
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: individual game plan that I've ever designed. I had them nailed.

1038
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: I had five defensive linemen. Every time they were gonna

1039
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: up the ball, we were in a space about a

1040
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: seven mante front. We were gonna double the wide guy,

1041
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: a flyer or gunner as you call him, to our

1042
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: right side where he or enter the front of the ball,

1043
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: to our left side, where he liked to throw a

1044
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: space a corner and moved it inside, and I packed

1045
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: him off five yards just a back pedal, and if

1046
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: they did throw the faith. You know he could have

1047
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: packed it because if you throw out a put formation

1048
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver, there's no passive the fair patalty.

1049
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: And I practiced it until he breathwater throw the ball.

1050
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: I was totally prepared for it. I made a mistake.

1051
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I made a mistake with that corner. I took a

1052
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: corner who was really a pro active player. He's the

1053
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 1: guy that could fly in the direction, and I put

1054
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: him in a reactive position. When I look back now,

1055
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: they ran a faith we all know coming. We're all

1056
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: screaming faith, faith, faith. But as this corner went back,

1057
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: as he did a hundred times in practice, now, when

1058
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: he planned to go after the wide guy achiever, he

1059
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: turned his back. He made a mistake. I should have

1060
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: plucked were killed. It always was only three points, but

1061
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: the way the game that was tough for me. I'm

1062
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: the one who made it, and I did that. Whether

1063
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: I had one of the best players I ever designed,

1064
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: I felt was brilliant. I love that taking us behind,

1065
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: because yeah, that was kind of a forgotten play. I'm

1066
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: totally with you. I think that two thousand seventeen to

1067
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: nineteen Saints team. Unfortunately for Saints fan's I think it's

1068
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the best teams

1069
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: to ever not win a Super Bowl, that that little

1070
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: three year kind of late breeze stretch. But the way

1071
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like your matchup with Bones Fossil, the

1072
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Rams coordinator at that time, of special teams, it gets

1073
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: to what you were talking about and how you revolutionize

1074
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the sport, and that's what football is kind of all about,

1075
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: is like specialization. That's why Bill Belichick always tries to

1076
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: talk about Paul Brown as the guy who changed the

1077
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: game more than anyone because he made it more specialized.

1078
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: And you are kind of part of at evolution of

1079
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: the game making it more specialized. Drilling down, you are

1080
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: someone who coached against Bill Belichick for most of your career.

1081
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: A lot of your career. You were with Miami for

1082
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and he was in New England for part

1083
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: of that as as a coordinator, and and then certainly

1084
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: when you were with the Jets and everything, And I

1085
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: know he has a big love for special teams and

1086
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: he approaches it differently. How are those matchups to you?

1087
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: How were you guys like different as special teams minds

1088
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: and what kind of stands out to you about your

1089
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: battles with Belichick over the years. He was much more

1090
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: conservative than I was. He was not. He was gonna

1091
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: make every effort to not let that part of the

1092
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: game beat him. He knew, he knew he had the

1093
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: big advantage on offense with Tom Brady. He was gonna

1094
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: make sure that I didn't do much against I feel

1095
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: with you, if you added up touch each other, I

1096
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: come out way ahead. I got that. But he's tough

1097
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: to be because he's smart, and you know, you know,

1098
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: he's very disciplined, and a lot of times I've been

1099
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: doing all types of shifting things on our being safe.

1100
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: Safe the only reason I was going. But I didn't

1101
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: have a punter while I was bedroom. I was just

1102
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: trying to level the playing field and it weren't. It

1103
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: helped me out, so we were able to get him

1104
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: a few times to do some things against them. But

1105
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I have tremendous respect as to how he handleson coaches

1106
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: the game. They were very well coached football team. I

1107
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: looked going against them because it was a challenge, but

1108
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: a quiet flex there. You wiped the floor with him.

1109
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: You just said, you know you basically you got your

1110
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: points in there against him. I like it. I got

1111
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: to coach. I gotta ask you another one, Like, so

1112
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: you're I know you're comfortable retiring, but you're You were

1113
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: just at Dolphins O T A s recently and a

1114
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of people are high on the Dolphins because they

1115
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: think Mike McDaniels, you know, a boy genius ready to unleash.

1116
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: But you were not very impressed, um from comments I

1117
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: read about what you saw from the offense the day

1118
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: you were there. No, I wasn't. Now, don't get me wrong.

1119
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: You know we're we're talking to some mini camp. They

1120
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: they they they scheduled l t s and there mini camps,

1121
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: so so mini CAAP practice. Um. I know that it's early.

1122
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: I know that they don't have their game plan in

1123
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: for their opening day. I totally understand that. But what

1124
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: I also know is that game plan that I wants

1125
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: being executed should be opening first the second day of

1126
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: mini camps. I want to see the mini camp game

1127
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: plan executed. I've been on the field in my career

1128
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: with some pretty good quarterbacks. Don't forget Ca Marino, you know, uh,

1129
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: Drew Breeze, Drett Fard, you know, um Dad Pennington when

1130
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: he was pretty dug one good Vinnie Testaverdie. So I've

1131
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: been on the field for a lot of very good

1132
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: offensive practices. In my opinion, I saw very little which

1133
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: resembled anything of a good offensive practice. I just can't

1134
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: see it. And now, is it gonna come later? Sure

1135
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: it can, Sure it can. But I didn't see it.

1136
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: And that's what was disappointing. So I want to see

1137
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: opening game performance. No I don't, but I don't want

1138
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: to see what I saw. I was very disappointed that

1139
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: that that that that was empretter than what I thought

1140
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: it would be better than that. I wass well that

1141
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: earlier in the show we had some positive thoughts about

1142
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins roster. Now there's a little yin and yang

1143
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: in there, Dolphins says, can look ahead and know there's

1144
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of football to be played between now and September.

1145
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, did you last thing? I have to

1146
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: ask because I'm a big parcels guy, and the part

1147
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: in your book kind of broke my heart a little bit, because, um,

1148
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: I remember seeing you at you know, Hofstra with Bill

1149
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: and the situation that happened with you going down to

1150
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: Miami with your friend Uh to watch practice and then

1151
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: you came back with the Jets. Uh and Parcels he

1152
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: sends the letter to the league complaining about you being

1153
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: there even though you're under contract with the Jets. All sloppy,

1154
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: and I think you called it in the book, know

1155
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: what I call it? You called it a chicken letter

1156
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: that Parcels wrote. Um, have you guys spoken since that happened?

1157
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: Or did that end the relationship? And ended at the

1158
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: second he did it? And I had a good relationship

1159
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: with him. I was I always looked at him as

1160
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of a big brother. And when I went over there,

1161
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: I was wrong because I was still under contract. Now

1162
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: I did, I was totally gone from the Jets, and

1163
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: they already knew coach. I wasn't in the press guy.

1164
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: But I went over because after the surgery worked so well,

1165
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: I knew I could now come back to the coach.

1166
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, way a minute, I don't

1167
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: look through it, card, I'm coming back. So I went

1168
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: and visited some camps, and I went over and visited

1169
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: with Bill. He and I sat in the golf cart

1170
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: the entire day, we ate lunch together. I wrote him

1171
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: a thank you letter. I talked to his head coach

1172
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: about what I saw in practice, had a great and

1173
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the Jets signed Brett part

1174
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: Then they pressured me to come back. They want me

1175
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: to come back. I didn't want to go. They offered

1176
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: me a ton of money. They turned it down. Now,

1177
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: when I went to visit them, I was wrong, not Bill.

1178
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: I was wrong because I you really can't go to

1179
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: a pamp if you're under contract. He didn't know that,

1180
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it either. I've never done it.

1181
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: I just, you know, the one thing I didn't do,

1182
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: So I didn't go over there to cheat. For him

1183
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: to write a letter like that was totally inappropriate, and

1184
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: so I blew up. Now, I coached the game. But

1185
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: if I don't coach the game, then it looks like

1186
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: I did go over there to eat, and it was

1187
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: you want to college. I could push the letter, then

1188
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any argument because you'd know. But I

1189
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: didn't do that. One chicken was enough. That's why I

1190
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: let go with that. And that's exactly how I felt.

1191
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: I've never talked him. If I ever really talked to him,

1192
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be even the beginnings of a pleasant

1193
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: conversation that passionate football man. Did your girlfriend convinced you

1194
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: not to put the letter in the book? No, I

1195
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: know she had nothing to do with you. Never show it. Mike,

1196
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. This is gonna

1197
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: be a great summer read on the beach, whether you're

1198
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: on the Jersey shore or wherever. You can get the

1199
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: book right now. Figure it out at Mascot books dot

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01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: com right now, and then everywhere else Amazon and anywhere

1201
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: else that carries books. July twelve, Mike west Off, thank

1202
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, and good luck and

1203
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: enjoy retirement. You certainly earned it a lot of fun

1204
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: talking to you today. Okay, gosh, thank you too. Enjoys

1205
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: there he goes, um I I love that man. Uh

1206
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: he was he always spoke his mind and you hear

1207
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: it there. Kind of reminded me of my dad on

1208
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: certain topics. When my dad Keith gets starts to get

1209
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: fired up talking about something that has annoyed him or

1210
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: someone that upsets him. You can here it doesn't matter

1211
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: when the story happened. As he's telling the story again,

1212
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: that kind of aggressive anger about it. And that's what

1213
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: we heard with Parcels and now part of me wants

1214
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: them to you know, make that's what I was going

1215
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: before one of them is gone. But yeah, some sometimes

1216
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: you're just done with the person in your life. Maybe

1217
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: that's just as healthy to just be like, I made

1218
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: that decision. That's did you say he was only happy

1219
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: with most of the conversation. Yeah, he probably Well I don't, Yeah,

1220
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I'd love to know what made him unhappy.

1221
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe it was like bringing up some of these,

1222
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: um these memories. I wish I kept my mouth shut

1223
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: when I sort of like came back and was like, oh,

1224
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: but you stuck into Belichian. I think the memoir so

1225
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: it was technically based on I love that because if

1226
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: there was one person to make it awkward in this room,

1227
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: it would would be Greg. It would be I do

1228
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: love that. He was like, look, he was much more

1229
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: conservative than me. If you added it up, I had

1230
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: my way with him ultimately, which is that's that's what

1231
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: you watched. I mean, this guy, I love the history

1232
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: of the game. And he was with Jimmy. He was

1233
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: with Don. If we had all the time, we could

1234
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: have asked a lot of stuff. He was with Don

1235
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: Shula and then Jimmy Johnson and he was in Miami

1236
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: that whole time. He he was there for the end

1237
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: of Don Shoe and he was such a good assistant

1238
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: and he did some offensive coaching too, not just special teams.

1239
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: Uh that when Jimmy Johnson came in, they he he

1240
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: saw both of those eras just like a fascinating like

1241
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: those guys have all the best and he sticks up

1242
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 1: for the people the way that some people feel about

1243
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: the Rex Ryan led Jets, that that that behind the scenes,

1244
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan was very different, very organized, and that the

1245
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: special teams for the best in the league because of him,

1246
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: because he's a great coach, and I did want to

1247
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: ask him a little short on time, but I did

1248
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 1: want to ask him also, you know, if there would

1249
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: be you know, famously the Nickel Robie Coleman play led

1250
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: to the um failed past interference rule change. If there

1251
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: was anything in the game and special teams that he

1252
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: feels they need to make adjustments on, but maybe that

1253
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: will be for the second time we speak with Mike

1254
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: if he chooses to join it. It's hard out there

1255
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: for special teams coach he coaches. He he alluded to

1256
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: it that the rules are changing in such a way

1257
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: that they have a little less impact and a little

1258
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: less flexibility than they treat It's all safety reasons, um,

1259
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, kickoffs have changed quite a bit. Yeah, and

1260
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: assistant coaches that I think multiple times in his career.

1261
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: In the book, he talks about being approached by you know, management,

1262
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: we want you to replace this guy that that there's

1263
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: a current special teams coach that we don't like. And

1264
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: it's like August and it's like, it's the special teams coach.

1265
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of a thankless gig where you gett noticed

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Speaker 1: more when you you fail at it. But to Westos

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Speaker 1: credit for that that instance he was talking about that

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Speaker 1: led to the Parcels fallout. The Jets wanted to fire

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Speaker 1: the current special team's coach and he said, no, I'll

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Speaker 1: take over. But that guy is not gonna be fired.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna stay. Will make it work, even if it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit awkward looking out for his own. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Positional groups do it for each other, absolutely, absolutely, Maybe

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Speaker 1: good good app We'll be back on Thursday. We got

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Speaker 1: a special show on Thursday. We're gonna be on the road.

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Speaker 1: It's a road show. I mean it's like eight miles

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Speaker 1: what is it? How far is it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We're going to West Hollywood for the second annual Pride

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Speaker 1: cast with cast of all stars, including my brother Kevin

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Speaker 1: Danger Hands. I'd like to hear that in the traveling party.

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Speaker 1: But also Connie Fox maybe a former producer with the show.

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Speaker 1: I think people dots on this one probably can connect it.

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Speaker 1: And and just so you know, I said, Graver, give

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Speaker 1: me a song that connects with in your mind a

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Speaker 1: pridecast um show in West Hollywood. So let's turn this up.

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Speaker 1: This was justin Graver's choice with Randy Chavez sterilized. This

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Speaker 1: is where we need to producer camera in the back.

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Speaker 1: They've all got their hair wash up again. Alright, Mark

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Speaker 1: and I are heading to the sterilization chamber and we

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Speaker 1: will see you on Thursday. Thank you everybody for listening.

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Speaker 1: Until then, he had the call. Great ending