1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. Lots of 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: things happening in the year twenty twenty two with UFOs, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: but what about twenty twenty three? What will it fare? 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Randall with US has more than forty five years 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: experience studying the UFO phenomenon and all various incarnations. His 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: training by the Army and the Air Force provides him 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: with a keen insight into the operations and protocols of 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: the military, their investigations into UFOs, and into a phenomenon 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: that has puzzled people for more than a century. He 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: appears weekly on our program with updates on UFO activity, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: and his latest book is called Understanding Roswell, which we'll 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: talk about as well. Kevin, welcome back. Yes, it's been 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: a long time since I talked to you. George. Do 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: you think twenty twenty three is going to be a 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: breakthrough for us in the field of upology. I would 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: like to say yes, I would like to be positive, 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: but given the history of the UFO phenomenon, I think 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: that we're going to just see the same thing as 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: we've seen for the last seventy five years. I call 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: it twenty two point oh. General Twining was the officer 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: at the Air Material Command in nineteen forty seven when 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: the first sightings were seen here in the United States, 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: and he wanted to establish a priority project with an 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: investigation into what was going on because they really didn't know, 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be transparent, but it was 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: a classified project. They said. The name was Project Saucer, 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: really Project sign and that sort of thing. We moved 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: now into this environment, we're in the same point we 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: were at that time. The government, the military, the Congress 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: seems to be interested in UFOs, and yet we seem 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to see the same sort of dodges that we saw 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: back then. They promised a lot of things, and then 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the road sort of shifts and we don't get the 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: information we need. So I think that's where we're going 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: to stay in twenty twenty three. We're not going to 37 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: see a lot of progress. Kevin, with the late step 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and Friedman gone. Now, I really believe this has pushed 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: you way to the forefront of the Roswell case. You 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: were tops anyway, but you're almost standing alone out there. 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: What do you think happened in July of nineteen forty seven. 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm leaned toward the extraterrestrial. I think when we peel 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: away all the nonsense that has surfaced about it, and 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: there's been a lot, and I've contributed some of it myself, 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: simply because you interview people you think they're telling you 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: the truth, you learn later that they're not really as 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: honest as you would hope to have been. But when 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we boil it down to the basics, there are just 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: some things are inexplicable. We have no trust real explanation 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: from what fell at Roswell Air Force explanation of Project 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: Mogul simply doesn't work. And what I do not understand 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: is the skeptical community is supposed to be questioning everything. 53 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: If you have a good siding, they question the research, 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: they question the methodology, they question the other. When you 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: moved to the other side of the coin, when you 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: have an explanation, they don't question it. Project Mogul, which 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: is the balloon arrays that was supposedly launched in New 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: Mexico in nineteen forty seven that caused the debris field. 59 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: When you look at the documentation, it says there was 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: no flight number four. It never flew, it didn't go, 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: so it couldn't have dropped the debris, and yet they 62 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: never questioned that they accept that as legitimate. So I 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: look at the case and I say, I have seen 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: no terrestrial explanation that explains all the information that we've 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: gathered about the Roswell case. There's just something missing from that. 66 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: There may be some kind of classified project we don't 67 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: know about, but I can't imagine what it would be 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: after fifty years that would harm national security if they 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: announced it. One of the logical things was the five 70 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: or ninth bomb group in Roswell, New Mexico, was the 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: only atomic strike force in the world at the time. Now, 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: according to the information I've been able to find, and 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: this came from Jesse Marcel Junior and in people atomic 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: bomb at that time, that the size and shape, the 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: look of it was classified, and so had they inadvertently 76 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: dropped a mock up as they were practicing with the 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: atomic bombs because they were huge, that would have been 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: something to cover up in nineteen forty seven, But in 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: today's environment, who cares if they don't look like that anymore. 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: The information that you would gather by seeing it would 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: be of no use to anybody. And we actually have 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: reports of them dropping actual atomic bombs on places. I 83 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: think they dropped one in Albuquerque in nineteen fifty seven, 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: and we know about that stuff. So we have no explanation, 85 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: a trustrial explanation that had been offered that I'd find 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: reasonable to explain the Roswell case. And that kind of 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: shifts us into the extra trust real are we still 88 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: waiting for reports from NASA to Congress or did we 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: get everything we were expecting. We're not getting much of anything. 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: I didn't think. Remember, they were supposed to produce a 91 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: big report in June of what twenty twenty one, June 92 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: twenty one, it was like nine pages, and we just 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: absolutely useless. And then he said, well, we're going to 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: update it in ninety days, but they never did. And 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: then we move into twenty twenty two and they're supposed 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: to be doing this, that and the other thing, and 97 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: we get may we get that briefing at the Pentagon, 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: and like many others, I signed on and watched the 99 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: whole eighty minutes of the briefing, and they really the 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: two people being interviewed didn't seem to know much about UFOs. 101 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: The congressmen and women who were interviewing them seem to 102 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: know more UFOs than they did, and we're supposed to 103 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: be getting more information, but it just never seemed to come. 104 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: I did a book called UFOs in the Deep State, 105 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: and I tried to explain how you can get an 106 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: order from the government, the president, for example, and not 107 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: respond to it. And what you can do is just 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: delay it by saying, you know, there's a lot of 109 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: pieces to this thing. We've got to pull them all together. 110 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: Let's get a comprehensive report to you, and we will 111 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: get it to you in the xt number of weeks. 112 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: And somehow it just never gets done. And the next thing, 113 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, the guy who was asking for that, he's 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: now out of a government and somebody else moves in. 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: So there's always all kinds of ways to dodge the 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: questions and delay the information. And that's what we're seeing today. 117 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: We're supposed to get this information, but it didn't show up. 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: We're supposed to get this information, but it didn't show up. 119 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: We're in that point where there just simply is nothing 120 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: being forwarded to us. Is it's of any benefit to us? 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Kevin did you know, the late Apollo astronaut edgar Mitchell. 122 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: I had met him once or twice. I didn't really 123 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: know him at a personal level, but yes, I had 124 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to meet with him. Sure I knew him, 125 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: knew him well, and he has told me he under 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: any circumstances over the years before he passed away, that 127 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: we were being visited by intelligent extraterrestrials. And he admitted, 128 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: he said, George, I never saw anything going to the 129 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: moon or anything like that. That didn't see anything on 130 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the moon. But I've been told by people and government 131 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: that I trust that we are being and have been visited, 132 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: and I believe the guy. There's no reason to not 133 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: believe him that. The thing is, I've worked with top 134 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: secret material when I was an Air Force officer in 135 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: an Army officer, I worked with that, and I understand 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: how these things work, and I understand how if you 137 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: don't have a need to know, you're not supposed to 138 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: share it with other people and that sort of thing. 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: But there also comes a point where you're dealing with 140 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: professionals at the highest levels, and they do tend to 141 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: share a little bit of information even though they know 142 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: they're not supposed to do that if you ask a 143 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: direct question. I think Barry Goldwater was a good example 144 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: of that. He had some inside information and he asked LeMay, 145 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: General LeMay to see the blue room that's alleged it 146 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: Wright Patterson Air Force Space where they've kept this extra 147 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: crust and material. And I've actually got a letter from 148 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: from Goldwater explaining that it was the only time that 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: Lemier every got mad at him and told him not 150 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: only not only no, but hell no, and never asked 151 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: me again or I'll have your court martialed. So there 152 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: is some secret going on there that is at the 153 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: highest levels classified, and there's very little talk about it 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: outside the core of the people you know. So I 155 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: have no doubt that that people that Edgar Mitchell knew 156 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: would have shared information with him if he asked the questions. 157 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Thinking here's a guy we can trust with that information. Kevin, 158 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: what got you involved in all of this? I always 159 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: blamed my mother. Blame it on mom, huh. She was 160 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: a science fiction fan, and she read the science fiction 161 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: books which deal with alien civilizations and interstellar flight and 162 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: all of that sort of thing. In fact, she took 163 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: me a movie when I was a little kid Earth 164 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: versus the Flying Saucers, and that kind of sparked my interest, 165 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: and so it kind of grew out of there. And 166 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: from that point on I would read the books about 167 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: UFOs from the people that you you know, I'm sure 168 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, like like of course Brad Steiger, Sure, who 169 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: became a very good friend. By the way, you missed 170 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: him too, Yeah, absolutely, Frank Edwards books. Frank I think 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: wrote more from memory than he did from notes, so 172 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: he often oftentimes got things wrong. The report he did 173 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: on the Roswell case in Flying Saucers Serious Business, it's 174 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: just like a page half a page. He gets virtually 175 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: everything wrong other than there was a rancher involved in 176 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: It was something that fell in Roswell, New Mexico, and 177 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the Air Force explained it as some kind of balloon 178 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: with a device hanging from it. But he got most 179 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: of the facts wrong. But the real point is he 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: was talking about Roswell back in nine, nineteen sixty six, 181 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: and so I mean that all kind of sparked my 182 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: interest in UFOs, and I of course became a science 183 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: fiction fan as well. So it's sort of a double 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: lammy there. Kevin Brandall with us. We'll take calls with 185 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Kevin next hour about UFOs and ufology. Jump on board, Kevin. 186 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: It seems like things have changed dramatically over the years. 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: We used to have a lot of abduction cases. We 188 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: used to have a lot of reports of landing pod evidence, 189 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: burned out spots and stuff. We don't get those anymore. 190 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: How come you've Carl Flock and I used to talk 191 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: about that before he passed away, and it was always 192 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: it seemed like the UFOs had come gathered the information 193 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: that they wanted, they picked up samples of the flora 194 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: and the fauna, and then they took it back to 195 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: their home world so they could studied at link, not 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: unlike what we would do in some environmental studies that 197 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: we do, and that might explain part of it, But 198 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: we also had noticed that that tendency that we don't 199 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: have the same kind of robust cases that we used 200 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: to have. Kathleen Martin just announced that she was no 201 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: longer associating with uphology, but had taken her research in 202 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: a different direction. I've had some correspondence with her about 203 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: her moving into other arenas and the other thing that 204 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: strikes me about the abduction phenomenon. If it was as 205 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: widespread as it was reported, it would seem to me 206 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: that there would be a lot more UFO sightings going 207 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: on as well, and I think we didn't see that 208 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and the logistics kind of get in 209 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: the way, So it makes you wonder, is there some 210 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: kind of interdimensional phenomena going on accounts for some of 211 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: this stuff. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to 213 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: Coast am dot com for more