Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's up man?
Speaker 2: How are you doing good?
Speaker 3: How are you? I'm around from being I was having
Speaker 3: some fun with some friends. Just got back to the
Speaker 3: apartment and calming down. How about you?
Speaker 1: You texted me and said I've been in a loving
Speaker 1: relationship with the porn star I hired as an escort
Speaker 1: over a year ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically true. I feel like you had some
Speaker 3: people connected to sex work on the podcast before and
Speaker 3: it has never really resolved in anything interesting, like you've
Speaker 3: just been scratching the surface. So I thought it would
Speaker 3: be kind of interesting to have more of the in
Speaker 3: depth conversation where yeah, basically maybe i'mswering some more interesting questions,
Speaker 3: and I feel like you've been kind of interested but
Speaker 3: never gotten any really good, like indepth feedback on the situation.
Speaker 3: So there's some potential there.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I mean, yeah, we've talked to like, you know,
Speaker 1: OnlyFans people and you know, escorts and stuff. But listen,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, Listen, I feel like we've
Speaker 1: had some pretty in depth conversations on this show. Clearly
Speaker 1: you you believe differently, So I'm gonna put the onus
Speaker 1: on you. Where do you? Where do you believe we
Speaker 1: have not what are the blanks you believe that we
Speaker 1: need uh filling in?
Speaker 3: So I think, like I think surface level, like being
Speaker 3: in the situation that I'm in, it's it's kind of
Speaker 3: interesting if you're a horny like that's when people are
Speaker 3: really that's when someone would be really fascinated by the situation.
Speaker 3: But then in like in real life, it kind of
Speaker 3: turns into a different thing, Like it sounds like a
Speaker 3: brag when you kind of talk about it surface level,
Speaker 3: but then actually going into that type of situation might
Speaker 3: be a bit different, and then it might uncover some
Speaker 3: other stuff like how does this actually how does that
Speaker 3: type of this type of relationship actually work in practice?
Speaker 3: How does someone's experience coming from that work and going
Speaker 3: into a mature, loving relationship actually translate? And you would
Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of stigma, and also being in that situation and
Speaker 3: starting to google and looking up people sharing experiences online,
Speaker 3: it just turns into a lot of I think most
Speaker 3: of the stuff you read is just made up. It's
Speaker 3: basically just sex fantasies. But actually going being in the situation,
Speaker 3: it actually revealed a lot of interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, so listen. You know you've revealed a lot of
Speaker 1: your opinions and esotericisms and whatnot, But tell me the
Speaker 1: story what actually happens with you.
Speaker 3: So basically, I was in a I think I picked
Speaker 3: the cowards way way out of a relationship where there
Speaker 3: wasn't really anything wrong and I was really able to
Speaker 3: have that talk. So I started looking into being probably
Speaker 3: like a very dark cope to that old situation. So
Speaker 3: I was forcing a situation where I would actually have
Speaker 3: to end the relationship. Like I put myself in a
Speaker 3: really bad situation where I was I was forcing myself
Speaker 3: to like super coward cowardly. But he instead of having
Speaker 3: that bit of a cold conversation, I just messed up
Speaker 3: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So you so you started, you so you started you
Speaker 1: start seeing escorts outside of your relationship to self sabotage
Speaker 1: the relationship because you didn't want to end it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, I think that's the short version of the story. Okay,
Speaker 3: Uh so I ended I ended up in that situation
Speaker 3: where I met someone where there wasn't like really sparks
Speaker 3: on the initial meetup. But it's some I think some
Speaker 3: happy accidents led to us, like randomly meeting where she
Speaker 3: was currently working, and we ended up going on a
Speaker 3: date and it went really well. And I think I
Speaker 3: was just at the time, I was just explo expecting
Speaker 3: the whole thing to blow up in my face. Like
Speaker 3: I think I was just still in like the whole
Speaker 3: self sabotage, like the destructive pattern. But then it turned
Speaker 3: into like a really really nice thing, and I guess
Speaker 3: going from there, I was kind of expecting like all
Speaker 3: like the expected what would you say, all the expected
Speaker 3: reasons why you don't put yourself in this situation. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like this is like the version of dating
Speaker 3: a stripper on steroids. But like as soon as we
Speaker 3: actually started like sheing having more of a relationship, it
Speaker 3: just turned into a really nice thing.
Speaker 1: So she was she still So is she still working
Speaker 1: as an escort while you guys are dating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first couple of months, which is probably
Speaker 3: one of the most painful periods of my life. I've
Speaker 3: been to.
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, but but I I'm I'm if you're
Speaker 1: going to get involved with an escort, wouldn't you wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know what you're signing up for? Why was that
Speaker 1: so painful for you.
Speaker 3: Oh, because this was one of the things that were
Speaker 3: established early on is that she was transitioning into a
Speaker 3: different career. So it's basically just giving her room to
Speaker 3: kind of finish up things. And it's like she was
Speaker 3: at a level.
Speaker 1: Where it's she had long term she had long term
Speaker 1: contracts she needed to fulfill.
Speaker 3: No, she was basically she had a couple of months
Speaker 3: where she was saving up money to do to start
Speaker 3: some different studies. And I didn't want to really disturb that,
Speaker 3: especially considering how are like in relationship or what do
Speaker 3: you call it started? So I was like, I was
Speaker 3: trying to be grown up about it, and I had
Speaker 3: no right to like a demand that she would stop
Speaker 3: this because like I would already participated in it. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I was trying to be grown up about it
Speaker 3: and let her kind of finish her work because I
Speaker 3: knew that this would be yeah, like a good way
Speaker 3: for her to have like a ansteck, but a save
Speaker 3: up some money before she went into studying for a
Speaker 3: new career and wouldn't have that much money for a while.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so how's your guys' relationship going now?
Speaker 3: Really good? Like surprisingly good? I think both me and
Speaker 3: most of the people surrounding me, was expecting this to
Speaker 3: kind of blow up in my faith. Uh, it's just
Speaker 3: been going really really well.
Speaker 1: Great, great, So okay, so wait, you started this whole
Speaker 1: call by being like, oh, we've only scratched the surface
Speaker 1: of sex work before. What what are we what are
Speaker 1: we missing?
Speaker 3: So, for example, when it comes to intimacy, you would
Speaker 3: think that I was expecting this to be a lot
Speaker 3: more problematic, like to get to kind of like a
Speaker 3: to actually experience real intimacy, because it's kind of like
Speaker 3: separating work and like leisure time, because there's an overlap,
Speaker 3: because for most people this is just more like a
Speaker 3: leisurely it's like the opposite of work, Like it's just
Speaker 3: an expectation to have a good time and be close
Speaker 3: to your partner. But here it's more you're coming from
Speaker 3: like a very transactional starting point for the whole thing.
Speaker 3: But it's actually actually been really really nice, Like that
Speaker 3: part hasn't really been an issue. Just very surprising. And
Speaker 3: I was also thinking that someone who's used to all
Speaker 3: every like for such a long time, every interaction, like
Speaker 3: every romantic interaction, being so transactional, would also kind of
Speaker 3: mess things up, but uh that that's also been really
Speaker 3: nice because think most of the differences there is that
Speaker 3: we're from different parts of the world, so there's some
Speaker 3: differences in the gender roles in a relationship, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: At the beginning, I was kind of thinking that it
Speaker 3: would be like everything would have this type of transactional undertone,
Speaker 3: but it's actually been also been surprisingly easy. Like we
Speaker 3: come from where the western part of the world.
Speaker 1: Where we're from, where.
Speaker 3: The fifty I think I'm gonna keep that out out
Speaker 3: of this conversation.
Speaker 1: What's what's what's what's the country? What's whole? On? I
Speaker 1: have your country code? Hold on, I'm docs in your country.
Speaker 3: You're from the country?
Speaker 1: Can I can I say what country you're from?
Speaker 3: It's the country let's say Western versus Eastern Europe. All right,
Speaker 3: I'm from Western Where.
Speaker 1: You're coming in here? You're like, I'm from a place
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to tell you what it is
Speaker 1: where we do things in a certain way on your podcast.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're fucking talking about. Love it
Speaker 1: with me here, God that what's your name? Dude? My
Speaker 1: name is?
Speaker 3: Uh? What's my name? Give me a name? You're really
Speaker 3: going to keep it. Give me give me your name,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Your name is John.
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds good.
Speaker 1: Okay, your name is John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's very sitting with the situation present.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sure, okay, all right John, Okay. So all right,
Speaker 1: so you're from Europe where uh it's more fifty to fifty, right,
Speaker 1: and then where is this okay, eastern? Either tell me
Speaker 1: where you're from more? Stop doing this.
Speaker 3: It's so important for for what I'm talking about, it's
Speaker 3: western perier. Europe is more of a I think, more
Speaker 3: of a direct reflection of where what you were used
Speaker 3: used to in the western part of the US.
Speaker 1: And then I'm a whole lot. I'm done talking about
Speaker 1: where you're from. Where's this lady from?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Where's this lady from eastern part of Europe?
Speaker 1: Okay? All right, so she's more traditional? Yeah okay, So
Speaker 1: how does that play out in the relationship?
Speaker 3: Basically, as a man, you're more of a provider. It's
Speaker 3: not the more of the fifty fifty type of split,
Speaker 3: which I'm used to for from where I come from.
Speaker 1: Uh huh okay, So how's that playing are you?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you enjoying being a provider.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think we're doing kind of
Speaker 3: like a hybrid where I would say it's like a
Speaker 3: in the way it's the best of both worlds. I
Speaker 3: think with more of like like the tradition traditional old
Speaker 3: school Eastern European gender roles, you have more of I think,
Speaker 3: I like the worst case, it's usually men who basically
Speaker 3: provide for women to be a replacement for their mother,
Speaker 3: only they show affection to.
Speaker 4: John.
Speaker 3: John.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you your opinion about I'm asking like
Speaker 1: how it plays out in your life, Like what's the
Speaker 1: how does it happen in your situation?
Speaker 3: I think the most relevant part of it is that
Speaker 3: by being more in the being more a provider but
Speaker 3: also being able to give emotional support, I feel a
Speaker 3: lot more purpose that I'm used to from before, which
Speaker 3: is really nice.
Speaker 1: So you feel a lot more purpose in this provider
Speaker 1: role than you did in your more fifty to fifty relationships.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, so, there's nothing wrong with that
Speaker 3: fifty fifty thing. But for me, I think just a
Speaker 3: really important part of being I think just anyone but
Speaker 3: also a man is just to be feel needed. And
Speaker 3: now you're you have some sort of purpose and that's
Speaker 3: been like, there's nothing wrong with coming from a fifty
Speaker 3: fifty type of situation either. I mean my old relationship
Speaker 3: lasted for over ten years, which was fine, but now
Speaker 3: there's like this kind of gives almost banal when I
Speaker 3: talk about it. But it's really nice to just be
Speaker 3: able to, Yeah, just have like this very simple function
Speaker 3: both being a bit of a like a strong provider,
Speaker 3: but also on top of it, also being able to
Speaker 3: sit down and have deeper conversations that also requires some
Speaker 3: emotional being able to be more emotionally, have a reflection,
Speaker 3: talk about difficult stuff, give input on that type of things.
Speaker 3: It's really cool.
Speaker 1: And do you what do you do? Do You make
Speaker 1: a lot of money, make a decent living, Okay, but
Speaker 1: it's enough to provide for the whole units.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you're when you're getting your money from
Speaker 3: the Western part Europe and you're temporarily living in the
Speaker 3: Eastern part of Europe, then it makes things pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you live in the East, you live in
Speaker 1: the Eastern part of.
Speaker 3: Europe, yeah, temporarily right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, where where's the ultimate place for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where's the ulto a place you want to be?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've kind of given up on finding
Speaker 3: the ultimate place. I feel like at some point I
Speaker 3: had this idea of what the ultimate lease was, but
Speaker 3: part of just growing up and becoming older is that
Speaker 3: you have to compromise in some way so you can't
Speaker 3: get it all. But I feel like right now I'm
Speaker 3: getting pretty close to a good balance.
Speaker 1: Totally. So are you and this lady gonna get married
Speaker 1: and have kids?
Speaker 3: Maybe that's kind of the fascinating part because I was
Speaker 3: in pretty healthy relationship for like over ten years with
Speaker 3: someone someone that would rationally made a lot more sense
Speaker 3: to do that type of thing with. But right now
Speaker 3: I actually feel more open to the idea of doing
Speaker 3: that quite pricing.
Speaker 1: With this person, and what and what about doing it
Speaker 1: with this person feels more irrational.
Speaker 3: It's normal, it's mostly from the stigma, But in practice,
Speaker 3: I just see someone who has a lot more of
Speaker 3: a deep, deep rooted and motherly saying, a lot of
Speaker 3: care and a appreciation of other people, which also is
Speaker 3: something I feel like I wasn't expecting from someone coming
Speaker 3: from that type of profession, So that also kind of
Speaker 3: took me by surprise.
Speaker 1: Well, I I mean, yeah, I mean that type profession.
Speaker 1: I mean there is something I mean, it's a caring profession.
Speaker 1: It's like a nurse.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also something that I wasn't hadn't really thought about,
Speaker 3: but just talking a bit with her about what her
Speaker 3: motivation was and everything, that's yeah, that's kind of what
Speaker 3: the type of role that she's been taking. But sometimes
Speaker 3: you get you meet someone like from her experience someone.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you meet someone you're more attracted to and it's
Speaker 3: more of a type of more a type of intimate
Speaker 3: sexual type of thing. But other times you go into
Speaker 3: this nursing role because you're providing something that everyone basically
Speaker 3: needs and you might not be that attracted to them,
Speaker 3: but still something that's very much part of their core
Speaker 3: as a human.
Speaker 1: Sure, what do you what do you do?
Speaker 3: My job is super boring love all that interested. This
Speaker 3: comes back to to just being more like pragmatic and
Speaker 3: expecting compromise. But it makes a decent amount of money
Speaker 3: and it gives me the flexibility to temporarily be in
Speaker 3: a completely different part of Europe.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else. Well, thanks for sharing. I feel
Speaker 1: like we didn't get into the thing that you said
Speaker 1: we only you came in here being like, you've only
Speaker 1: scratched the surface of like sex work stuff, but we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about hon just sneeze.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think about someone in my situation? The thing,
Speaker 3: is there anything you're curious about?
Speaker 1: What do I think about someone in your situation?
Speaker 3: Now? Is there anything you were curious about when you're like,
Speaker 3: if you go deeper and think about more the practical
Speaker 3: implications of being them in that situation or actually go
Speaker 3: taking someone who comes from that type of life and
Speaker 3: then putting them into.
Speaker 1: More No, no, no, your situation sounds I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: found a lady that you like. Uh, she wants to
Speaker 1: have a traditional relationship where you provide for her. You
Speaker 1: seem like you're into that. It sounds like it sounds
Speaker 1: like both of you guys are happy with what you
Speaker 1: got going on, and so I don't think there's anything
Speaker 1: particularly that unique about this situation.
Speaker 3: There's actually really refreshing that you're saying this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like stigma. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: think a lot of like stigmas around like uh, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, well yeah, I mean whatever, you guys like it.
Speaker 1: You guys like each other, and you like the arrangement
Speaker 1: you have with each other, so you know, as long
Speaker 1: as you're both happy, I don't see why this is
Speaker 1: that crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeh, yeah, I guess you're a lot more open minded
Speaker 3: than a lot of the people I've been surrounding myself with.
Speaker 3: So the impact of bringing this up, huh, I think
Speaker 3: quite really, I feel like there's something therapeutic about you
Speaker 3: just saying this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, I mean what, like, what
Speaker 1: have your friends been making fun of you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 3: People have been very supportive. But this is more of
Speaker 3: like bringing it up in more of a you don't
Speaker 3: know me, so you're coming from a more of a
Speaker 3: neutral ground. Sure you could so like you could be
Speaker 3: a lot more judgmental because you don't have any Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't have any We don't have a
Speaker 3: pre defined friendship where it's expected of you to be
Speaker 3: more supportive, and you don't have any established feelings like
Speaker 3: this is the first time I've talked to someone about
Speaker 3: it that doesn't they don't know me before. They don't care,
Speaker 3: like they don't care about me at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the conversation. So I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but there's no part of any of what
Speaker 1: you're talking about that is like the I mean there,
Speaker 1: I mean there's questions of like, uh, do you feel
Speaker 1: like I mean, okay, look, in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: there's kind of there's a big question for the man
Speaker 1: and there's a big question for the woman. The big
Speaker 1: question for the man is do you feel like you're
Speaker 1: being taken advantage of? And if the answer is no,
Speaker 1: then great? And then the big question for the woman
Speaker 1: is do you And then the big question for the
Speaker 1: woman is do you feel like you're being controlled? And
Speaker 1: if the answer is no, then great? You know, I
Speaker 1: mean those are kind of the the things. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I mean, there's nothing really all that crazy
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess just the two questions, you percent, that
Speaker 3: kind of a just reminds me of that hoalthy the
Speaker 3: relationship and right now is because they're completely irrelevant to
Speaker 3: our situation, which is a nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, good things are going well for this Eastern European
Speaker 1: man and this I know for this uh, Western European
Speaker 1: man and this Eastern European woman. It's like Romeo and
Speaker 1: Julie may think the east one from the west. What's
Speaker 1: your name again, John? John? Is there anything to say?
Speaker 1: Is there is there anything you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people the computer before we go.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, yeah, I didn't prepare for this part.
Speaker 2: Mh.
Speaker 3: Probably don't go into the situation I got myself into
Speaker 3: and expecting the same outcome. The wait why, I kind
Speaker 3: of I feel like I've found the unicorn thing with
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, maybe there's more potential in this. People
Speaker 3: Like the stereotype is don't start dating strippers, but uh my,
Speaker 3: one next from this, it's actually dating a sex worker
Speaker 3: can actually be a really beautiful experience in your life.
Speaker 3: I might end up with maybe I was starting a
Speaker 3: family long term, just like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, listen, I mean listen, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you I mean, you know, sex workers are people
Speaker 1: you know they have but yeah, I mean they have
Speaker 1: you know, there's like established boundaries within like certain frameworks
Speaker 1: and stuff. But that doesn't you know, I mean that
Speaker 1: they can't have feelings outside of the work, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would like to add that when I was
Speaker 3: thinking about bringing this up with you, I was sober
Speaker 3: and now I'm a bit drunk, which makes me a
Speaker 3: lot more relaxed talking to you. I think might have
Speaker 3: led to us they were kind of scratching the surface
Speaker 3: of the whole thing sounds like a plus in the
Speaker 3: minus here.
Speaker 1: You know what I we had. You know, we had
Speaker 1: the conversation, we had, we scratched what we needed to scratch,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know we're all going home better for it.
Speaker 3: Yep. And I'm definitely not going to read the comments.
Speaker 1: Do that, dude, Do what feels right for you in
Speaker 1: your life, my friends, That's all I got to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Those last words are better than mine.
Speaker 1: I'll see you around the universe, John.
Speaker 3: YouTube, get a good one you later.
Speaker 1: I have John's country code, per his wishes. I won't
Speaker 1: say where he is. Where he is, but it's funny
Speaker 1: because it's like there's so many people that live there.
Speaker 1: I don't know John John, John, John John. Isn't it
Speaker 1: funny that that's a name, John John, and just one
Speaker 1: John is also a name too. That's John John. Two
Speaker 1: John's is one name, and then just John is a
Speaker 1: name too.
Speaker 4: Okay, Hello, mister geto.
Speaker 1: Hello to whom am I speaking.
Speaker 4: Depending, I'll just call myself read Red just to be
Speaker 4: just to be safe, because with the story I'm bout
Speaker 4: to tail could go down a legal pathway that I
Speaker 4: would rather not have millions or hundreds. I should say,
Speaker 4: no offense to you of.
Speaker 3: People in.
Speaker 1: So, what's up, Red? What's going on?
Speaker 4: So my soon to be ex wife she fucked her
Speaker 4: coworker and I we're gonna have We're gonna have to
Speaker 4: go back a little bit start probably jump from place
Speaker 4: to place, okay, but I'm going to start on the
Speaker 4: twenty second of April of this year. That is when she.
Speaker 1: Had told me, So, this really is like a court thing.
Speaker 1: It was like your testimony.
Speaker 4: Yes, it will be a court thing, especially with the stuff,
Speaker 4: the evidence that I've gathered today, it will be okay.
Speaker 4: So April twenty second, you know, two days before that,
Speaker 4: I we had just gotten back from trip uh because
Speaker 4: I had to come down to Florida to put down
Speaker 4: my dog. And yeah, you know how that feels. Anyways,
Speaker 4: we get back, uh. Then the day after to get back,
Speaker 4: she asked for a divorce. And you know, she'd always
Speaker 4: say that, always like it was she used it as
Speaker 4: like a weapon to hurt me. So, you know, at
Speaker 4: first I didn't believe her. You know, I just let
Speaker 4: it left it alone, Let's sleep on it, I asked her.
Speaker 4: The next day, says the same thing. You know, it
Speaker 4: kind of hurts me because I'm thinking, oh, well, it's over.
Speaker 4: And then later that night, the twenty second, I get
Speaker 4: to talking and she gets we both get to talking.
Speaker 4: I'm like, were you seeing him? Are you going to
Speaker 4: be with him? Blah blah blah, and she tells me
Speaker 4: that she had made out with him and that he
Speaker 4: had he fingered her. Well, you know, that sets me
Speaker 4: off because I'm already going through the the emotions of
Speaker 4: her wanting the divorce and I had let this. I'd
Speaker 4: let her hang out with this dude, much to my dismay,
Speaker 4: because we would argue a lot, and you know, not
Speaker 4: really have a good time. And I know she needed
Speaker 4: somebody that wasn't me to hang out with. And I
Speaker 4: knew this dude. He would come to our house and
Speaker 4: we'd occasionally drink and stuff, and sometimes she'd go over there.
Speaker 4: Yeah I know, but she told me that, and then
Speaker 4: a few minutes later, seeing how angry it made me,
Speaker 4: she said, oh, she was lying about the freeing apart,
Speaker 4: they just made out. Well, it didn't really calm me down,
Speaker 4: and I got her to leave the house because I
Speaker 4: wanted to be alone, and I started drinking, and I
Speaker 4: said some things I shouldn't have that got me landed
Speaker 4: in the looney bin for four days. And then I
Speaker 4: come home. She's taking the kids and left the house.
Speaker 1: How many kids you got, man?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 1: Two? How old are you?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty one, you're twenty one?
Speaker 4: Yes, sir?
Speaker 1: Holy shit? Man is gone? All right man?
Speaker 4: And so you know, I get back, I'm like freaking
Speaker 4: out because being trapped in Newly been for four days
Speaker 4: and no phone, no nothing. You want to see your kids.
Speaker 4: That's the one thing you want to do when you
Speaker 4: get out. And that's what I was banking on. I
Speaker 4: thought we were going to come back. I was going
Speaker 4: to talk about it with her, because you know, four
Speaker 4: days is a long time to cool off, and the
Speaker 4: emotions were high with me. But I get back in it.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I get so so mad, and I
Speaker 4: probably the only people I can which is my own family.
Speaker 4: And for two days I am alone in the house
Speaker 4: with nothing really to do. And eventually my father comes
Speaker 4: all the way down from Ohio and he stays with
Speaker 4: me and he helps me pack up my things and
Speaker 4: all that. And then on the twenty fifth, my wife
Speaker 4: comes to the house to talk and stuff and have
Speaker 4: me see the kids and all that, and my dad's there,
Speaker 4: and you know, we're talking. I'm saying, well, I just
Speaker 4: want to have a good relationship with you for the
Speaker 4: kids and all that.
Speaker 3: And I meant it.
Speaker 4: I meant it, and she was like, yeah, I understand.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry this all happened. I wish it didn't have
Speaker 4: to go this way. But then we go into our
Speaker 4: what was our bedroom, the master bedroom, while my father
Speaker 4: is out in the living room to talk privately, and
Speaker 4: that leads one thing leads to another, and we have
Speaker 4: intimate relations again.
Speaker 3: Way you know, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, You're okay, dude, Wait, you're you're okay.
Speaker 4: As of today, we are not legally separated or divorced.
Speaker 4: We are still legally married.
Speaker 1: Okay. So she cheated on you with this guy, and
Speaker 1: then you blew up on her. So she takes the
Speaker 1: kids and leaves, and then you say a bunch of
Speaker 1: you you you what you probably said you were gonna
Speaker 1: kill yourself and then or or hurt someone or something,
Speaker 1: and then you go to the mental you get locked up,
Speaker 1: and then you get out to see the kids. And
Speaker 1: the first time that you meet up with her again.
Speaker 1: You got you go into a different room while your
Speaker 1: kids and their grandfather are in another room, and then
Speaker 1: you and her have sex.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 4: I know it was. It was, you know, like the
Speaker 4: last time, and you know, I was feeling emotional and
Speaker 4: she was feeling emotional, and you know, we didn't know
Speaker 4: if we're ever gonna see each other like that again,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 2: You know we did it.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well after that, you know, she leaves and.
Speaker 1: You guys, you guys sound you guys sound in love.
Speaker 4: By the way, Oh wait till you get too late
Speaker 4: to the later. Stay just wait, it gets better. So
Speaker 4: she leaves right and about a day or two later,
Speaker 4: you know, we spend me and my dad. It was
Speaker 4: in Alabama, but me and him, we spend a day
Speaker 4: and a half driving from Alabama to Florida, back and forth,
Speaker 4: back and forth to pick up most of my stuff.
Speaker 4: And it only took about two trips. And so I started,
Speaker 4: I believe I started living in Florida, you know, as
Speaker 4: much as this kind of sounds, you know, silly or whatever,
Speaker 4: I'm living at my mom's house because I needed to leave.
Speaker 4: I need to get out of there. One because her
Speaker 4: father had sent me threatening text messages and he has
Speaker 4: threatened to murder me before in a bunt in front
Speaker 4: of a family. So I left because I was scared
Speaker 4: and that I need that we needed space. So I'm
Speaker 4: in Florida talking over the phone. She you know, she says, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I notice that you're changing and you're giving me everything
Speaker 4: I finally needed, which I'm not gonna lie. I did
Speaker 4: some things I probably shouldn't have in the relationship, or
Speaker 4: I should have tried to do more. I don't fault
Speaker 4: I don't fault her for that, but you know, she's
Speaker 4: telling me these things. She's saying, I accept you. You know,
Speaker 4: I want to I want to make it work. I
Speaker 4: want to try again. And I'm and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to as well. You know, I can get
Speaker 4: over her making out with her coworker. Well, about a
Speaker 4: week later, she calls me. She says, if I remember. Quickly,
Speaker 4: She's like, would you can I trust you? And I'm
Speaker 4: like yeah, And so she knows. She kind of drills
Speaker 4: it even more, like are you sure I can trust you?
Speaker 4: I was like, what have I done to not to
Speaker 4: lose your trust? Now? And so she agrees to that right. Well,
Speaker 4: then she says, I'm gonna have to I need you
Speaker 4: to listen, not say a word, and I need to
Speaker 4: start from the beginning, and so you know, I'm I've
Speaker 4: been trying to change the whole time. So instead of
Speaker 4: interjecting like I usually do, and all that, I listened.
Speaker 4: I shut my mouth for once, And so I'm listening
Speaker 4: and she's talking about the party that they had because
Speaker 4: her and her coworker are both in the Air Force
Speaker 4: as of right now and whenever all this happened, So
Speaker 4: they were having a going away party for one of
Speaker 4: their coworkers because he got kicked out because he did
Speaker 4: a shitty job. So it started there. And you know,
Speaker 4: at this point, I was used to her going over
Speaker 4: to his dorm to you know, drink and you know,
Speaker 4: relax and unwind, and she'd always come back. So I
Speaker 4: k didn't I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 4: But them two had gone out to eat with him.
Speaker 4: They left together in the same car, and he doesn't
Speaker 4: have a car, nor does he have a license, so
Speaker 4: it's her driving, excuse me, and she drives him back
Speaker 4: to hurt his dorm, and you know, he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: come on, let's come come drink with me, you know
Speaker 4: all that, And she's like, no, I don't know. Well
Speaker 4: then she reluctantly agrees and she goes up and they
Speaker 4: start drinking. Keep in mind, she is not twenty one.
Speaker 4: She should not be drinking. He is committing a crime
Speaker 4: in the US.
Speaker 1: MJ okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 4: So and so they're okay, continue sorroser.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man, you're losing me a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm trying to understand.
Speaker 4: Where I understand.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1: Where where's okay, where are you guys at right now? Like?
Speaker 1: What's like? What's that like? So this is all after
Speaker 1: she cheated on you with him at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: now the three of you guys are all hanging out.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not anywhere. I'm at home taking care of
Speaker 4: our two kids because I quit my job to be
Speaker 4: a stay at home father, okay, and I stayed at
Speaker 4: home with them. I currently have no job, no income,
Speaker 4: and she drained all the bank accounts on the twenty second,
Speaker 4: so I wasn't able to even buy anything.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Where is she now? As you guys are
Speaker 1: still married.
Speaker 4: She is having relations with him. Oh the house that
Speaker 4: we both bought.
Speaker 1: Oh, so where are you?
Speaker 4: I am in Florida with my mother with the kids.
Speaker 1: Nope, where are the kids?
Speaker 4: The kids are ten minutes away from me with a
Speaker 4: man that will kill me if I go anywhere near him.
Speaker 1: Dude, what yep, she.
Speaker 4: Left him here for a week. It was a plan.
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, So
Speaker 1: the kids are with her?
Speaker 4: No, the kids are with their granddad, not my father,
Speaker 4: my soon to be ex father in law.
Speaker 1: Okay, see, your children are with your ex wife's dad, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: And your ex wife is off, has a new life
Speaker 1: with the guy that her coworker guy mm hmm. And
Speaker 1: the great why is the grandpa going to kill you?
Speaker 4: Because our arguments got physical. That's why I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna beat around the bush. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: try to hide. Well this happened this half yep, yep, Uh,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just me. I do have videos of her
Speaker 4: starting to hit me first. But I won't lie. I
Speaker 4: started it to sometimes, and I regret my actions. My
Speaker 4: actions are very childish. I plan to never let that
Speaker 4: half again. It will not happen again. I'll do whatever
Speaker 4: I need to go therapy, take medicine if I need to.
Speaker 4: It won't happen.
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, what's your name is? Jacob? Yes, sir Jacob. Oh,
Speaker 1: my god man, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Yes, a lot. I've actually been waiting to talk to
Speaker 4: you for for quite a while.
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so not the guy that you need
Speaker 1: to be talking to right now.
Speaker 2: No, no, I know.
Speaker 4: I just it's talking to people helps me get it,
Speaker 4: helps me calm down, helps me get it off my chest.
Speaker 4: I don't expect any actual therapy advice for me, just
Speaker 4: you know, life advice. Ione to talk to.
Speaker 1: M oh Jesus Christ Man. Well listen, man, I listen.
Speaker 1: I uh look good good luck, good luck with good
Speaker 1: luck with the case. I hope you. I hope everyone
Speaker 1: in this situation. I hope these fucking kids have a
Speaker 1: good life. I hope everything works out with everyone, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that's about it, man, Is there anything? Is
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Uh No, sir, h that's I'm just glad I got
Speaker 4: to talk to you. It's unfortunately I wasn't able to
Speaker 4: tell my full story that I understand.
Speaker 1: What's what's left of the story.
Speaker 4: Well, she we were talking for about a month since
Speaker 4: everything happened to twenty second, and you know, she was
Speaker 4: giving me a second chance, this and that, and then
Speaker 4: just one day, one day, she just one hundred and
Speaker 4: eighties and says she's choosing him. And the whole time
Speaker 4: she's making up excuses and saying because she would tell
Speaker 4: me not to listen to my family's advice or any
Speaker 4: of my friend's advice, but she told me that she's
Speaker 4: listening to everybody and saying, yes, she shouldn't give me
Speaker 4: a second chance, and all that, I mean, I understand,
Speaker 4: But the fact that she gave me hope and we
Speaker 4: were planning things and this and that, that's what really
Speaker 4: irks me. And so she well completely cut me out
Speaker 4: and all that, and yeah, she's with.
Speaker 1: Him now, Okay, Well listen, Jacob, you should go talk
Speaker 1: to a real therapist and I will. You know. I
Speaker 1: hope everyone figures this stuff out. I hope your kids
Speaker 1: are okay.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go? No, thank you,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, take care of Jacob. Good with uh,
Speaker 1: with existence?
Speaker 4: I struggle every day?
Speaker 1: Okay, by Jacob, bye bye. Oh my god, that was
Speaker 1: so much. Well that was a lot. I'm not he.
Speaker 1: That was I? He that was he was he? He
Speaker 1: was kind of talking like I was the judge on
Speaker 1: this case. Thank god. I'm not a judge. Thank god.
Speaker 1: I'm not a real therapist or a judge or a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I've been playing the Phoenix right Ace Attorney games where
Speaker 1: I can pretend to be a lawyer, and that's fun.
Speaker 1: It's fun to pretend to be things. I'm sorry. That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say after that. All right, Hello,
Speaker 1: hey man, you texted me and you said my name
Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm forty one. I think I played arc
Speaker 1: Raiders with you about two months ago, and we randomly
Speaker 1: got matched into a group together, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: know if it was actually you. That's what you texted me.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's right. Is this actually ghek or I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is a screener.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, this is me, and I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know. I don't I don't play
Speaker 1: that game, so it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, no, it might have been an imposter,
Speaker 2: because it was totally someone that sounded like you.
Speaker 1: Wait, really they do they have like a username like
Speaker 1: it like pretended to be me.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, and even then I thought it was you
Speaker 2: the whole time, and I even asked him, like I
Speaker 2: brought it up and the guy kind of went afk
Speaker 2: afterwards and he comes back and he's like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: my roommate was bothering me, and I thought that it
Speaker 2: was like all a ruse and it felt like I
Speaker 2: got streamsniped. So I ran through it in my mind
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, maybe he was streaming to
Speaker 2: his discord or something like that and you were playing
Speaker 2: the game anyway sort of thing. So I was just
Speaker 2: I was really taken aback by it. But the guy
Speaker 2: sounded exactly like you, And I was like, have you
Speaker 2: ever heard of Therapy Get Go? And his answer was
Speaker 2: I may know that name, and I'm just like it's
Speaker 2: got to be him.
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't, I've never even I don't even know
Speaker 1: what arc Raiders is. What is that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Really? Yeah? No, it's like a it's a third
Speaker 2: person like a shooter game, like a looter shooter, extraction
Speaker 2: shooter kind of game, kind of like an Escape from
Speaker 2: tarca kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool cool? Hm, wait can I ask you
Speaker 1: another question?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're forty.
Speaker 2: One, I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I also went to one of your shows when
Speaker 2: he came by, so.
Speaker 1: Oh really where Gecko Tour?
Speaker 2: It was the Austin show. I actually I if you
Speaker 2: remember the in Austin, Texas where the guy he wanted
Speaker 2: to like light something on fire, dude old employer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was sitting right next to that guy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and his mom came on. That was too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was something weird like that. But uh and
Speaker 2: then we were all like, oh he's and he had
Speaker 2: to call that uh the one lawyer we tried to
Speaker 2: calling the lawyer on the show if you could get
Speaker 2: an interview, Yeah, good time.
Speaker 1: Dude, this dude, fuck dude, this whole episode, this whole
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, and this whole thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I doing with my life anymore?
Speaker 1: Like with his whole just the whole the universe of
Speaker 1: you know what's funny? I really like I say this
Speaker 1: on the show. I say this to people. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are like, oh, do you think people are
Speaker 1: making stuff? Up to get on the show or you
Speaker 1: know whatever. I really don't. I really, I genuinely I
Speaker 1: have spoken to eight million people I've been but I
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that everything is as crazy and stupid as
Speaker 1: it presents itself to be. I don't think anyone's I
Speaker 1: like I'm the I'm actually I'm truly the opposite of
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. I really feel like everyone and everything
Speaker 1: is exactly I believe everything a complete face value.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I mean, you, at a
Speaker 2: certain point, you just got to kind of learn to
Speaker 2: roll with the punches and stuff. I mean I never
Speaker 2: even really had the courage to, you know, sign up
Speaker 2: and you know, talk on the at the live show
Speaker 2: or anything like that, even though I saw you. I
Speaker 2: think too when I went to TwitchCon twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: and You're at like the front of twitch Con and
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I should say something now, and I
Speaker 2: never did kind of thing. And it's like I've had
Speaker 2: multiple opportunities, and even just now, I mean I text you,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way he calls me back kind
Speaker 2: of thing, and hey, here I am, and suddenly I'm
Speaker 2: and it's actually you. It's kind of a surreal moment,
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So you're forty one, right, Can I ask you some questions?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, certainly.
Speaker 1: How does life play out? Does everything end up okay
Speaker 1: in the end? What happens?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I'm not really retired or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but you know, after thirty, I would say, your knees
Speaker 2: don't really work kind of the same way. And after
Speaker 2: you fit for a really long time, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it takes a longer time for you to get recovered
Speaker 2: from the process of everything. You know, I still play
Speaker 2: Dance Dance Revolution all the time. I've been playing that
Speaker 2: game now for like twenty six years, and on days
Speaker 2: where I play a lot of songs back to back
Speaker 2: to back, I mean, you know, it takes me like
Speaker 2: two or three days to recover now, as opposed to
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I could just you know, stay
Speaker 2: there all night on twenty dollars kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. What else am I going to say? Oh?
Speaker 1: Do you what? So what's your life like? Tell me
Speaker 1: about you, Brian.
Speaker 2: So, I'm actually an un employed game developer and I've
Speaker 2: worked in the industry now for like ten twelve fifteen
Speaker 2: years something like that. I don't even really keep track,
Speaker 2: but finding work is really really tough, and so, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, I'm actually at the point where I'm
Speaker 2: thinking of this is so random. I've only really kind
Speaker 2: of had this stuff for like the last couple of
Speaker 2: last couple of days. I'm getting the point where I'm
Speaker 2: considering starting to stream myself, but I kind of want
Speaker 2: to take like more of the burnt peanut route, where
Speaker 2: it's you know, if i show up and I'm forty
Speaker 2: one and I'm like the new kid on the block,
Speaker 2: no one's going to watch my shit. I'm not that interesting.
Speaker 2: But in general, if you know, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: out there and try to be someone, I feel like
Speaker 2: hiding behind a little bit of animidity is at least
Speaker 2: valid for something, right, Like, if you just do a
Speaker 2: rip off of something that's already pre existing, it's out there,
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna be like, oh, they're going to call me
Speaker 2: out on it sort of thing. So I got to
Speaker 2: kind of put my own spin on it and just
Speaker 2: find the bravery to get out there and do it.
Speaker 2: Sort of. But that's that's kind of my line I
Speaker 2: thought lately, And I mean so being unemployed definitely fucking sucks. Man. Like,
Speaker 2: I went back to school back in like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm forty one, that's already out of the bag. So
Speaker 2: I lived through the the I guess you'd call it
Speaker 2: like the new Great Depression of like two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven and like the big economic downturn of all that.
Speaker 2: When I was fresh out of high school, I decided
Speaker 2: to just join the workforce. And after realizing that I
Speaker 2: didn't want to spend my whole life work in retail
Speaker 2: and sales, I was like, fuck it, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to go back to school for something I was already
Speaker 2: kind of good at. And at the time, I was
Speaker 2: making maps and counterstrike for all my friends to come
Speaker 2: play on a server, and everybody was kind of playing
Speaker 2: my COUNTERSHEK map. So I was like, man, I should
Speaker 2: go to school for this. So I went to one
Speaker 2: of those game art kind of programs, not like a
Speaker 2: diploma mill, but a legit school, got my degree, set
Speaker 2: my sights on working at like a target company, like
Speaker 2: you know, as everybody kind of doeses like oh I
Speaker 2: want to work for bun Joe, to work for Blizzard
Speaker 2: or wherever you want to work or whatever, and I
Speaker 2: ended up getting that kind of a job and it
Speaker 2: just it took me back as soon as I made it,
Speaker 2: you know, and I was like, oh, man, I'm finally
Speaker 2: working at this place I really wanted to be at
Speaker 2: my whole life. And then I get laid off like
Speaker 2: a year and a half into the job, and so
Speaker 2: that's as good as it gets.
Speaker 1: So when when were you last employed?
Speaker 2: So I was last employed. I think it was like,
Speaker 2: I want to say, four or five months ago. I
Speaker 2: was working a contract on some like crypto NFT MMO
Speaker 2: that I'm not exactly like most proud of that I
Speaker 2: worked on because I don't really associate with that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, But hey.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the fucking deal with that? Is that stuck?
Speaker 1: Because I thought like yeah, because back in like twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, there was a lot of like NFT Crypto
Speaker 1: bullshit and a lot of like video game people were like,
Speaker 1: Oh this is these are gonna be the new whatever.
Speaker 1: We're going to use web three technology to make a
Speaker 1: fucking house in World of Warcraft work worth real money.
Speaker 1: Like are people still doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know I saw that Zillo ran a
Speaker 2: promo recently with World of Warcraft where you can like
Speaker 2: look for a home using Zillo, which, if you don't
Speaker 2: already know, Zillo is what you would use if you
Speaker 2: were trying to buy a home for real. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: World of Warcraft now, I guess you can buy a
Speaker 2: home in World of Warcraft using Zillo, which is preposterous
Speaker 2: and completely random. Like, good luck convincing me of that
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and six, that like that would
Speaker 2: be the future of stuff, right, But as far as
Speaker 2: the NFT stuff goes, I feel like that was a
Speaker 2: lot of fluff from you know, the Metaverse and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, Like just look at what happened
Speaker 2: with Meta and Mark Zuckerberg and all that, where they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be the future
Speaker 2: of gaming and everything. But when you think about it,
Speaker 2: when you watch the Game Awards, what crypto NFT game
Speaker 2: are you most excited for next? Literally you couldn't name
Speaker 2: me one of them. No one cares, no one gives
Speaker 2: a shit.
Speaker 1: Well that's because you know, like, Okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make an analogy here and tell me,
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. So I'm a Nintendo guy mainly,
Speaker 1: I mean I play Xbox. I like, uh, you know
Speaker 1: PlayStation stuff, but I think you know Nintendo and Nintendo.
Speaker 1: The Nintendo philosophy, I feel like, is a good general
Speaker 1: philosophy of how like society should be run where it's
Speaker 1: like Nintendo's ship has always been like technology is good
Speaker 1: for the propping up of like a good game, you
Speaker 1: know like that, like like like all the like you know,
Speaker 1: PlayStation Xbox, They're about, look how big my fucking dick is, right,
Speaker 1: and Nintendo is like, we have a nice sized dick,
Speaker 1: but we know how to fuck you know. Where it's
Speaker 1: like the tech the tech industry is like, how can
Speaker 1: we make the dick as big as humanly possible? Because
Speaker 1: bigger dick equals better fucking But but Nintendo is like, no,
Speaker 1: the the the fucking technique is better to work on
Speaker 1: than the dick itself. And I apply this the philosophy
Speaker 1: of of of that to like everything like like AI.
Speaker 1: But I already went on a whole rant, bay, I
Speaker 1: won't go on another one. But like the tech industry
Speaker 1: in general, I feel like has this thing where the
Speaker 1: technology is like, oh, we can make better technology, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it has to prop
Speaker 1: up especially in the entertainment industry, and that's a prop
Speaker 1: up good stories and like just shit that's like shit
Speaker 1: that's like good for humans, like good stories.
Speaker 2: Fun game game design with game design stuff, right, Like
Speaker 2: it's about designing a really good closed loop system, something
Speaker 2: that's like fun and exciting to play. So when you
Speaker 2: play something like Stardou Valley, that's a good example of that,
Speaker 2: where it's it's in a nice controlled environment, you generally
Speaker 2: know how your next day is going to go. The
Speaker 2: mechanics are relatively easy to learn, and you enjoy the
Speaker 2: sessioning of it kind of thing. Right. I think that
Speaker 2: those things are super novel and that's one of those
Speaker 2: things that Nintendo always seems to get right. But Nintendo
Speaker 2: has also been in this game for like one hundred
Speaker 2: plus years. Was one hundred and fifty years back in
Speaker 2: the day when they were making like trading card games.
Speaker 2: You know, I would almost say like in ancient times
Speaker 2: because I wasn't alive back then, and there's like eighteen
Speaker 2: fifty or something they were founded the Nintendo origins, when
Speaker 2: you know it's only like trading card decks or something
Speaker 2: like that. But I think where I'm going with this
Speaker 2: is like they have really honed in on like this
Speaker 2: is the difference between Western media and something like the
Speaker 2: Japanese media influence, like Japan and Nintendo. They identify that
Speaker 2: this is more of like a craft and a discipline,
Speaker 2: and they approach all their stuff with game design to
Speaker 2: be like, all right, we know what functionally works, but
Speaker 2: how can we put our twist on it, simplify it
Speaker 2: and make it appeal to the masses. And they have
Speaker 2: time and time again approved that they can, you know,
Speaker 2: continuously deliver on that sort of promise. I find it
Speaker 2: to be really inspiring as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's why a lot of that, like
Speaker 1: NFT crypto bullshit didn't yeah catch on because the technology. Yeah,
Speaker 1: technology is cool when it like serves a purpose of
Speaker 1: some kind, but the people are using it in ways
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Like when you hear these phrases like on chain, what
Speaker 2: the fuck does on chain mean? Like, oh, there's a ledger, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: what does that really mean to me at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, Like oh you own this? Okay? Well,
Speaker 2: if I go play Overwatch and get the new Curaco skin,
Speaker 2: I earned my skin there, right, And some people are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you should be able to bring that skin over to
Speaker 2: Fortnite or whatever, and it's like, but who's actually asking
Speaker 2: for that? Is there a real market for that night?
Speaker 2: And I bet you there is, but it's probably like
Speaker 2: less than five percent of all gamers everywhere give a
Speaker 2: shit about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe, Well, the thing I think, like do one thing
Speaker 1: that like tech bros don't understand is that one thing
Speaker 1: tech bros don't to say is that just because a
Speaker 1: thing can logistically be done, it doesn't mean like like
Speaker 1: like uh okay a thing's integration in society. The barrier
Speaker 1: is usually less a logistical barrier and more a barrier
Speaker 1: of cultural and social acceptance. And so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, logistically you could theoretically do all these things
Speaker 1: with this technology, but culturally and socially, do people actually
Speaker 1: fucking want to.
Speaker 2: Or are they receptive to it? Like, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the noble things I've heard is that, you know,
Speaker 2: games are a medium that could change the world, and
Speaker 2: you know, we can eliminate bullying if we just hit
Speaker 2: them before it that wouldever even become the idea in
Speaker 2: their mind kind of thing. But I don't really know
Speaker 2: if I buy into that. I mean that once you
Speaker 2: start to really really dig into that. That's kind of
Speaker 2: it goes down that like video games and violence kind
Speaker 2: of thing. You know, I'm not a big proponent. I
Speaker 2: don't believe that video games cause violence. If anything, they
Speaker 2: are more of like a like a safe outlet for
Speaker 2: you know, personal expression or whatever it is that you
Speaker 2: want to do. Like if you just want to show
Speaker 2: up in GTA and steal cars and baying hookers, you know,
Speaker 2: sure you can do that, right, But when you think
Speaker 2: of like the big picture of all video games that
Speaker 2: are out there on a long enough timeline, any game
Speaker 2: idea that you have, if you if you think to yourself, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think I know what a cool game idea is.
Speaker 2: If you wait long enough and just watch the scheme
Speaker 2: store Paige long enough, you will probably see a game
Speaker 2: similar to the game idea that you had. Because everyone
Speaker 2: is trying almost anything to try to make a quick
Speaker 2: buck or make anything work. If you're like, oh, it
Speaker 2: would be powder Puff Girls, but it's going to be
Speaker 2: uh in World of Warcraft Okay, yeah, sure that game
Speaker 2: might be out there, who knows, But.
Speaker 1: Have you played the game Bully?
Speaker 2: I have not. No, that's like Rockstar is one of
Speaker 2: their og titles.
Speaker 1: I think great game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing that the other year you were playing on stream?
Speaker 1: Right, No, I haven't streamed in like, uh six years.
Speaker 2: Oh. For some reason, I thought i'd seen you playing it.
Speaker 2: I could have swear I saw someone playing it recently.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you keep mistaking. You keep you have the state,
Speaker 1: keep mistaking other people from me. Maybe you I know,
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Maybe you just maybe just you
Speaker 1: want to see me, you want to connect with me.
Speaker 1: Here we are, we did it. We connected.
Speaker 2: It's like a high five through the internet.
Speaker 1: It's like a high five for the internet. You're I
Speaker 1: appreciate you because you're the You're the easiest person to
Speaker 1: talk to of the people I've talked to today.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope I could uplift the spirits a little bit.
Speaker 2: And uh, I really appreciate it, Like, you know, you
Speaker 2: reaching out to me like this is another one of
Speaker 2: those winking nods that maybe I should actually probably start
Speaker 2: to stream myself and see what I can put together
Speaker 2: and yeah, try it out, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Please please Brian. Uh, pleasure talking to you. Brian. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: I've waited so long for this moment and I just
Speaker 2: want to say gg right, like good game gg. That's
Speaker 2: it man, GG beautiful.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you Brian, see you are in the universe.
Speaker 2: Man, appreciate it. Have a good one.
Speaker 1: Well. Thank God for Brian. Thank God for Brian for
Speaker 1: allowing us to end this podcast today on a torrential
Speaker 1: vibe shift. Brian's a good guy. That was the Therapy
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