WEBVTT - “I’M DATING AN ESCORT” 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.080 Hello, Hello, what's up man? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:02.960 How are you doing good? 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:11.399 How are you? I'm around from being I was having 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.880 some fun with some friends. Just got back to the 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.840 apartment and calming down. How about you? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.120 You texted me and said I've been in a loving 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.360 relationship with the porn star I hired as an escort 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:25.640 over a year ago. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:33.320 Yeah, that's basically true. I feel like you had some 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:40.839 people connected to sex work on the podcast before and 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.680 it has never really resolved in anything interesting, like you've 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.000 just been scratching the surface. So I thought it would 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.320 be kind of interesting to have more of the in 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:59.200 depth conversation where yeah, basically maybe i'mswering some more interesting questions, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.720 and I feel like you've been kind of interested but 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:07.039 never gotten any really good, like indepth feedback on the situation. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.200 So there's some potential there. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.480 Okay, listen, I mean, yeah, we've talked to like, you know, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.679 OnlyFans people and you know, escorts and stuff. But listen, 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.560 all right, you know what, Listen, I feel like we've 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.280 had some pretty in depth conversations on this show. Clearly 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.400 you you believe differently, So I'm gonna put the onus 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.080 on you. Where do you? Where do you believe we 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.600 have not what are the blanks you believe that we 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.360 need uh filling in? 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:48.240 So I think, like I think surface level, like being 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.680 in the situation that I'm in, it's it's kind of 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.840 interesting if you're a horny like that's when people are 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:03.480 really that's when someone would be really fascinated by the situation. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.240 But then in like in real life, it kind of 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.000 turns into a different thing, Like it sounds like a 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.320 brag when you kind of talk about it surface level, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:21.760 but then actually going into that type of situation might 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.200 be a bit different, and then it might uncover some 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:31.440 other stuff like how does this actually how does that 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.160 type of this type of relationship actually work in practice? 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.160 How does someone's experience coming from that work and going 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:46.080 into a mature, loving relationship actually translate? And you would 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:51.840 think that there's a lot of I think there's a 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.320 lot of stigma, and also being in that situation and 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:02.480 starting to google and looking up people sharing experiences online, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:09.560 it just turns into a lot of I think most 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.880 of the stuff you read is just made up. It's 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:17.760 basically just sex fantasies. But actually going being in the situation, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.400 it actually revealed a lot of interesting stuff. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:26.160 Okay, so listen. You know you've revealed a lot of 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.080 your opinions and esotericisms and whatnot, But tell me the 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.639 story what actually happens with you. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.280 So basically, I was in a I think I picked 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.640 the cowards way way out of a relationship where there 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:47.520 wasn't really anything wrong and I was really able to 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:56.280 have that talk. So I started looking into being probably 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.520 like a very dark cope to that old situation. So 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.560 I was forcing a situation where I would actually have 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.200 to end the relationship. Like I put myself in a 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.880 really bad situation where I was I was forcing myself 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.799 to like super coward cowardly. But he instead of having 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.480 that bit of a cold conversation, I just messed up 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:22.039 the whole thing. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.560 So you so you started, you so you started you 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.320 start seeing escorts outside of your relationship to self sabotage 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.160 the relationship because you didn't want to end it. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.800 Yeah, basically, I think that's the short version of the story. Okay, 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.320 Uh so I ended I ended up in that situation 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.560 where I met someone where there wasn't like really sparks 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:50.960 on the initial meetup. But it's some I think some 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:59.720 happy accidents led to us, like randomly meeting where she 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:02.800 was currently working, and we ended up going on a 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:08.359 date and it went really well. And I think I 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:14.320 was just at the time, I was just explo expecting 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.839 the whole thing to blow up in my face. Like 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.680 I think I was just still in like the whole 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.799 self sabotage, like the destructive pattern. But then it turned 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:30.000 into like a really really nice thing, and I guess 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:34.560 going from there, I was kind of expecting like all 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:41.440 like the expected what would you say, all the expected 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.120 reasons why you don't put yourself in this situation. It's 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.039 kind of like this is like the version of dating 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:55.480 a stripper on steroids. But like as soon as we 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:02.279 actually started like sheing having more of a relationship, it 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.640 just turned into a really nice thing. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.359 So she was she still So is she still working 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.480 as an escort while you guys are dating. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.400 Yeah, for the first couple of months, which is probably 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.640 one of the most painful periods of my life. I've 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:19.960 been to. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:30.240 Wait, hold on, but but I I'm I'm if you're 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.960 going to get involved with an escort, wouldn't you wouldn't 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.960 you know what you're signing up for? Why was that 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:38.960 so painful for you. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.560 Oh, because this was one of the things that were 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.359 established early on is that she was transitioning into a 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:54.000 different career. So it's basically just giving her room to 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.359 kind of finish up things. And it's like she was 0:06:58.400 --> 0:06:59.280 at a level. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.679 Where it's she had long term she had long term 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.400 contracts she needed to fulfill. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.920 No, she was basically she had a couple of months 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.600 where she was saving up money to do to start 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.720 some different studies. And I didn't want to really disturb that, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:21.280 especially considering how are like in relationship or what do 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.160 you call it started? So I was like, I was 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.920 trying to be grown up about it, and I had 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:31.880 no right to like a demand that she would stop 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.840 this because like I would already participated in it. Okay, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.640 So I was trying to be grown up about it 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:45.080 and let her kind of finish her work because I 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:50.440 knew that this would be yeah, like a good way 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:55.440 for her to have like a ansteck, but a save 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:00.320 up some money before she went into studying for a 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.400 new career and wouldn't have that much money for a while. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.600 Okay, And so how's your guys' relationship going now? 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:16.280 Really good? Like surprisingly good? I think both me and 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.920 most of the people surrounding me, was expecting this to 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.240 kind of blow up in my faith. Uh, it's just 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:23.800 been going really really well. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:30.360 Great, great, So okay, so wait, you started this whole 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.080 call by being like, oh, we've only scratched the surface 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.520 of sex work before. What what are we what are 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:38.000 we missing? 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.559 So, for example, when it comes to intimacy, you would 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.920 think that I was expecting this to be a lot 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.720 more problematic, like to get to kind of like a 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.839 to actually experience real intimacy, because it's kind of like 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:02.000 separating work and like leisure time, because there's an overlap, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.280 because for most people this is just more like a 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.680 leisurely it's like the opposite of work, Like it's just 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.880 an expectation to have a good time and be close 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.880 to your partner. But here it's more you're coming from 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.320 like a very transactional starting point for the whole thing. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.440 But it's actually actually been really really nice, Like that 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:32.160 part hasn't really been an issue. Just very surprising. And 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.240 I was also thinking that someone who's used to all 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:43.600 every like for such a long time, every interaction, like 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:48.240 every romantic interaction, being so transactional, would also kind of 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.400 mess things up, but uh that that's also been really 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.280 nice because think most of the differences there is that 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:03.880 we're from different parts of the world, so there's some 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:10.040 differences in the gender roles in a relationship, and that's okay. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:15.720 At the beginning, I was kind of thinking that it 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.800 would be like everything would have this type of transactional undertone, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:29.040 but it's actually been also been surprisingly easy. Like we 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.760 come from where the western part of the world. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.800 Where we're from, where. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:38.320 The fifty I think I'm gonna keep that out out 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.200 of this conversation. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.720 What's what's what's what's the country? What's whole? On? I 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.239 have your country code? Hold on, I'm docs in your country. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:50.240 You're from the country? 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.600 Can I can I say what country you're from? 0:10:51.679 --> 0:11:01.040 It's the country let's say Western versus Eastern Europe. All right, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.400 I'm from Western Where. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.280 You're coming in here? You're like, I'm from a place 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:12.720 that I'm not going to tell you what it is 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.920 where we do things in a certain way on your podcast. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.559 You don't know what you're fucking talking about. Love it 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.840 with me here, God that what's your name? Dude? My 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.040 name is? 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.439 Uh? What's my name? Give me a name? You're really 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.280 going to keep it. Give me give me your name, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:29.679 all right. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:30.800 Your name is John. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:33.320 Oh that sounds good. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.559 Okay, your name is John. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.040 Yeah, that's that's very sitting with the situation present. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:48.320 So yeah, sure, okay, all right John, Okay. So all right, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:53.920 so you're from Europe where uh it's more fifty to fifty, right, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:59.319 and then where is this okay, eastern? Either tell me 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.160 where you're from more? Stop doing this. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.560 It's so important for for what I'm talking about, it's 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.280 western perier. Europe is more of a I think, more 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.480 of a direct reflection of where what you were used 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.400 used to in the western part of the US. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.480 And then I'm a whole lot. I'm done talking about 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.240 where you're from. Where's this lady from? 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:24.720 Okay? 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.360 Where's this lady from eastern part of Europe? 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:35.480 Okay? All right, so she's more traditional? Yeah okay, So 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.360 how does that play out in the relationship? 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.680 Basically, as a man, you're more of a provider. It's 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.520 not the more of the fifty fifty type of split, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.800 which I'm used to for from where I come from. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.640 Uh huh okay, So how's that playing are you? 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:56.080 Are you? 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.240 Are you enjoying being a provider. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.280 Yeah, I think so. I think we're doing kind of 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:10.800 like a hybrid where I would say it's like a 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.880 in the way it's the best of both worlds. I 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.000 think with more of like like the tradition traditional old 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:24.880 school Eastern European gender roles, you have more of I think, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.880 I like the worst case, it's usually men who basically 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:36.040 provide for women to be a replacement for their mother, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.400 only they show affection to. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:40.360 John. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:40.720 John. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.320 I'm not asking you your opinion about I'm asking like 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.560 how it plays out in your life, Like what's the 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.079 how does it happen in your situation? 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.600 I think the most relevant part of it is that 0:13:53.880 --> 0:14:00.040 by being more in the being more a provider but 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:05.160 also being able to give emotional support, I feel a 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:09.320 lot more purpose that I'm used to from before, which 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:10.240 is really nice. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.320 So you feel a lot more purpose in this provider 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.880 role than you did in your more fifty to fifty relationships. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.360 Yeah, I would say, so, there's nothing wrong with that 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.280 fifty fifty thing. But for me, I think just a 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.800 really important part of being I think just anyone but 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.880 also a man is just to be feel needed. And 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:37.880 now you're you have some sort of purpose and that's 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.200 been like, there's nothing wrong with coming from a fifty 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:47.120 fifty type of situation either. I mean my old relationship 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.440 lasted for over ten years, which was fine, but now 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.440 there's like this kind of gives almost banal when I 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:59.040 talk about it. But it's really nice to just be 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:04.440 able to, Yeah, just have like this very simple function 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.040 both being a bit of a like a strong provider, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.000 but also on top of it, also being able to 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:17.720 sit down and have deeper conversations that also requires some 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.280 emotional being able to be more emotionally, have a reflection, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:30.600 talk about difficult stuff, give input on that type of things. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.160 It's really cool. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.600 And do you what do you do? Do You make 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:43.920 a lot of money, make a decent living, Okay, but 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.200 it's enough to provide for the whole units. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:53.000 Yeah, especially when you're when you're getting your money from 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.480 the Western part Europe and you're temporarily living in the 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.640 Eastern part of Europe, then it makes things pretty easy. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.960 Okay, so you live in the East, you live in 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:02.880 the Eastern part of. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.840 Europe, yeah, temporarily right now. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:15.000 Okay, where where's the ultimate place for me? 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.080 Yeah? 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:17.480 Where's the ulto a place you want to be? 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.760 I don't know, I've kind of given up on finding 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.040 the ultimate place. I feel like at some point I 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.400 had this idea of what the ultimate lease was, but 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.200 part of just growing up and becoming older is that 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.840 you have to compromise in some way so you can't 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.080 get it all. But I feel like right now I'm 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.920 getting pretty close to a good balance. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.120 Totally. So are you and this lady gonna get married 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:48.760 and have kids? 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.400 Maybe that's kind of the fascinating part because I was 0:16:54.440 --> 0:17:00.800 in pretty healthy relationship for like over ten years with 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.960 someone someone that would rationally made a lot more sense 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:11.320 to do that type of thing with. But right now 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.200 I actually feel more open to the idea of doing 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.880 that quite pricing. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.679 With this person, and what and what about doing it 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.840 with this person feels more irrational. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:34.840 It's normal, it's mostly from the stigma, But in practice, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.520 I just see someone who has a lot more of 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:45.399 a deep, deep rooted and motherly saying, a lot of 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:50.119 care and a appreciation of other people, which also is 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.280 something I feel like I wasn't expecting from someone coming 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.240 from that type of profession, So that also kind of 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.440 took me by surprise. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.480 Well, I I mean, yeah, I mean that type profession. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.400 I mean there is something I mean, it's a caring profession. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:09.240 It's like a nurse. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:11.760 Yeah. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.840 Yeah, that's also something that I wasn't hadn't really thought about, 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.160 but just talking a bit with her about what her 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.080 motivation was and everything, that's yeah, that's kind of what 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:30.359 the type of role that she's been taking. But sometimes 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.439 you get you meet someone like from her experience someone. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.240 Sometimes you meet someone you're more attracted to and it's 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.760 more of a type of more a type of intimate 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.960 sexual type of thing. But other times you go into 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.880 this nursing role because you're providing something that everyone basically 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.000 needs and you might not be that attracted to them, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:59.200 but still something that's very much part of their core 0:18:59.280 --> 0:18:59.840 as a human. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:07.800 Sure, what do you what do you do? 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:17.480 My job is super boring love all that interested. This 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.520 comes back to to just being more like pragmatic and 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:27.880 expecting compromise. But it makes a decent amount of money 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.679 and it gives me the flexibility to temporarily be in 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.520 a completely different part of Europe. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:43.400 Let's see what else. Well, thanks for sharing. I feel 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.560 like we didn't get into the thing that you said 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.800 we only you came in here being like, you've only 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.240 scratched the surface of like sex work stuff, but we 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.520 didn't talk about hon just sneeze. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.760 Yeah, do you think about someone in my situation? The thing, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.119 is there anything you're curious about? 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.360 What do I think about someone in your situation? 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.639 Now? Is there anything you were curious about when you're like, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:15.520 if you go deeper and think about more the practical 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.679 implications of being them in that situation or actually go 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.560 taking someone who comes from that type of life and 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.160 then putting them into. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:30.040 More No, no, no, your situation sounds I mean, look, you 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:35.600 found a lady that you like. Uh, she wants to 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.800 have a traditional relationship where you provide for her. You 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:46.040 seem like you're into that. It sounds like it sounds 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.600 like both of you guys are happy with what you 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.160 got going on, and so I don't think there's anything 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.280 particularly that unique about this situation. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.199 There's actually really refreshing that you're saying this. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.760 Yeah, I mean there's like stigma. I mean, I I 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:09.159 think a lot of like stigmas around like uh, I 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.000 mean yeah, well yeah, I mean whatever, you guys like it. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.320 You guys like each other, and you like the arrangement 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.320 you have with each other, so you know, as long 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.360 as you're both happy, I don't see why this is 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.720 that crazy. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:31.680 Yeh, yeah, I guess you're a lot more open minded 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.480 than a lot of the people I've been surrounding myself with. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:40.680 So the impact of bringing this up, huh, I think 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:45.159 quite really, I feel like there's something therapeutic about you 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:46.320 just saying this. 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.600 Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, I mean what, like, what 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.280 have your friends been making fun of you? 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:57.520 No? 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:57.960 Not really. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.919 People have been very supportive. But this is more of 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.000 like bringing it up in more of a you don't 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.800 know me, so you're coming from a more of a 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.760 neutral ground. Sure you could so like you could be 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:21.440 a lot more judgmental because you don't have any Yeah, 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:24.040 you don't. You don't have any We don't have a 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:29.840 pre defined friendship where it's expected of you to be 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.800 more supportive, and you don't have any established feelings like 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.080 this is the first time I've talked to someone about 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.200 it that doesn't they don't know me before. They don't care, 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.800 like they don't care about me at the beginning of 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.560 the conversation. So I think that's pretty cool. 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.159 But yeah, but there's no part of any of what 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:53.200 you're talking about that is like the I mean there, 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.679 I mean there's questions of like, uh, do you feel 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.640 like I mean, okay, look, in a situation like this, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:05.800 there's kind of there's a big question for the man 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.400 and there's a big question for the woman. The big 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.000 question for the man is do you feel like you're 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.240 being taken advantage of? And if the answer is no, 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.639 then great? And then the big question for the woman 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.240 is do you And then the big question for the 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.520 woman is do you feel like you're being controlled? And 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.600 if the answer is no, then great? You know, I 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:35.360 mean those are kind of the the things. But other 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.119 than that, I mean, there's nothing really all that crazy 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:38.560 about this. 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.840 Yeah, I guess just the two questions, you percent, that 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:47.040 kind of a just reminds me of that hoalthy the 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:52.119 relationship and right now is because they're completely irrelevant to 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.120 our situation, which is a nice. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:24:01.320 Okay, good things are going well for this Eastern European 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:07.120 man and this I know for this uh, Western European 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.480 man and this Eastern European woman. It's like Romeo and 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.600 Julie may think the east one from the west. What's 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.240 your name again, John? John? Is there anything to say? 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:18.720 Is there is there anything you want to say to 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.120 the people the computer before we go. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.840 Uh oh, yeah, I didn't prepare for this part. 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:30.080 Mh. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:34.680 Probably don't go into the situation I got myself into 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:42.600 and expecting the same outcome. The wait why, I kind 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.520 of I feel like I've found the unicorn thing with 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.639 I mean, yeah, maybe there's more potential in this. People 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:59.199 Like the stereotype is don't start dating strippers, but uh my, 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:03.639 one next from this, it's actually dating a sex worker 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.560 can actually be a really beautiful experience in your life. 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:14.399 I might end up with maybe I was starting a 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.160 family long term, just like. 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.360 I mean, I mean, listen, I mean listen, I mean, yeah, 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.639 do you I mean, you know, sex workers are people 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:26.520 you know they have but yeah, I mean they have 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:33.119 you know, there's like established boundaries within like certain frameworks 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.720 and stuff. But that doesn't you know, I mean that 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:40.560 they can't have feelings outside of the work, you know. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:48.439 Yeah. I would like to add that when I was 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:52.640 thinking about bringing this up with you, I was sober 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.080 and now I'm a bit drunk, which makes me a 0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:00.320 lot more relaxed talking to you. I think might have 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.159 led to us they were kind of scratching the surface 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.919 of the whole thing sounds like a plus in the 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:06.480 minus here. 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.960 You know what I we had. You know, we had 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.000 the conversation, we had, we scratched what we needed to scratch, 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.000 and uh, you know we're all going home better for it. 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.560 Yep. And I'm definitely not going to read the comments. 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:28.119 Do that, dude, Do what feels right for you in 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.120 your life, my friends, That's all I got to say. 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.080 Yeah, I like that. Those last words are better than mine. 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:36.960 I'll see you around the universe, John. 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:42.240 YouTube, get a good one you later. 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.119 I have John's country code, per his wishes. I won't 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:55.040 say where he is. Where he is, but it's funny 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.200 because it's like there's so many people that live there. 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:07.119 I don't know John John, John, John John. Isn't it 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:15.640 funny that that's a name, John John, and just one 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:20.360 John is also a name too. That's John John. Two 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.960 John's is one name, and then just John is a 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:24.520 name too. 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:32.320 Okay, Hello, mister geto. 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.800 Hello to whom am I speaking. 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.800 Depending, I'll just call myself read Red just to be 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.920 just to be safe, because with the story I'm bout 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.919 to tail could go down a legal pathway that I 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.920 would rather not have millions or hundreds. I should say, 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.320 no offense to you of. 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:55.120 People in. 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.000 So, what's up, Red? What's going on? 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:07.879 So my soon to be ex wife she fucked her 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:13.320 coworker and I we're gonna have We're gonna have to 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.760 go back a little bit start probably jump from place 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.840 to place, okay, but I'm going to start on the 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:26.160 twenty second of April of this year. That is when she. 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.000 Had told me, So, this really is like a court thing. 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.159 It was like your testimony. 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.560 Yes, it will be a court thing, especially with the stuff, 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.640 the evidence that I've gathered today, it will be okay. 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.840 So April twenty second, you know, two days before that, 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:50.840 I we had just gotten back from trip uh because 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.440 I had to come down to Florida to put down 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.360 my dog. And yeah, you know how that feels. Anyways, 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.560 we get back, uh. Then the day after to get back, 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.040 she asked for a divorce. And you know, she'd always 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.560 say that, always like it was she used it as 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.080 like a weapon to hurt me. So, you know, at 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:10.960 first I didn't believe her. You know, I just let 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.400 it left it alone, Let's sleep on it, I asked her. 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.360 The next day, says the same thing. You know, it 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.120 kind of hurts me because I'm thinking, oh, well, it's over. 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.280 And then later that night, the twenty second, I get 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.840 to talking and she gets we both get to talking. 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.640 I'm like, were you seeing him? Are you going to 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.000 be with him? Blah blah blah, and she tells me 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.840 that she had made out with him and that he 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.520 had he fingered her. Well, you know, that sets me 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.440 off because I'm already going through the the emotions of 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:50.160 her wanting the divorce and I had let this. I'd 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.480 let her hang out with this dude, much to my dismay, 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:58.360 because we would argue a lot, and you know, not 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.480 really have a good time. And I know she needed 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.040 somebody that wasn't me to hang out with. And I 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.080 knew this dude. He would come to our house and 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:12.600 we'd occasionally drink and stuff, and sometimes she'd go over there. 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:18.160 Yeah I know, but she told me that, and then 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.400 a few minutes later, seeing how angry it made me, 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.600 she said, oh, she was lying about the freeing apart, 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.080 they just made out. Well, it didn't really calm me down, 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.480 and I got her to leave the house because I 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:37.160 wanted to be alone, and I started drinking, and I 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.360 said some things I shouldn't have that got me landed 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.480 in the looney bin for four days. And then I 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:49.360 come home. She's taking the kids and left the house. 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:51.360 How many kids you got, man? 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:53.560 Two? 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.400 Two? How old are you? 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.920 I'm twenty one, you're twenty one? 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:00.400 Yes, sir? 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:05.920 Holy shit? Man is gone? All right man? 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.280 And so you know, I get back, I'm like freaking 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.000 out because being trapped in Newly been for four days 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.040 and no phone, no nothing. You want to see your kids. 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:16.520 That's the one thing you want to do when you 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.320 get out. And that's what I was banking on. I 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:20.880 thought we were going to come back. I was going 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.200 to talk about it with her, because you know, four 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.760 days is a long time to cool off, and the 0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.720 emotions were high with me. But I get back in it. 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.080 Oh my gosh, I get so so mad, and I 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:35.680 probably the only people I can which is my own family. 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:41.560 And for two days I am alone in the house 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.360 with nothing really to do. And eventually my father comes 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.520 all the way down from Ohio and he stays with 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.600 me and he helps me pack up my things and 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:57.280 all that. And then on the twenty fifth, my wife 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.720 comes to the house to talk and stuff and have 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.960 me see the kids and all that, and my dad's there, 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.800 and you know, we're talking. I'm saying, well, I just 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.720 want to have a good relationship with you for the 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:10.520 kids and all that. 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:11.240 And I meant it. 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.320 I meant it, and she was like, yeah, I understand. 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.080 I'm sorry this all happened. I wish it didn't have 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:22.240 to go this way. But then we go into our 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.680 what was our bedroom, the master bedroom, while my father 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.640 is out in the living room to talk privately, and 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.720 that leads one thing leads to another, and we have 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:33.080 intimate relations again. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:38.240 Way you know, yeah, I know, I know. 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:47.240 Okay, You're okay, dude, Wait, you're you're okay. 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:53.160 As of today, we are not legally separated or divorced. 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:54.680 We are still legally married. 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.600 Okay. So she cheated on you with this guy, and 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.680 then you blew up on her. So she takes the 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.560 kids and leaves, and then you say a bunch of 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.640 you you you what you probably said you were gonna 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.280 kill yourself and then or or hurt someone or something, 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.840 and then you go to the mental you get locked up, 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:15.880 and then you get out to see the kids. And 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:17.760 the first time that you meet up with her again. 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.280 You got you go into a different room while your 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:27.400 kids and their grandfather are in another room, and then 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:28.760 you and her have sex. 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:31.959 Yes, it was. 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:33.920 That's so funny. 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.640 I know it was. It was, you know, like the 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.360 last time, and you know, I was feeling emotional and 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.760 she was feeling emotional, and you know, we didn't know 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.960 if we're ever gonna see each other like that again, 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:47.440 and so. 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:48.280 You know we did it. 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.920 Okay, Well after that, you know, she leaves and. 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.120 You guys, you guys sound you guys sound in love. 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.160 By the way, Oh wait till you get too late 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:04.160 to the later. Stay just wait, it gets better. So 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:10.720 she leaves right and about a day or two later, 0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.080 you know, we spend me and my dad. It was 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:17.359 in Alabama, but me and him, we spend a day 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:21.319 and a half driving from Alabama to Florida, back and forth, 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.280 back and forth to pick up most of my stuff. 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:28.560 And it only took about two trips. And so I started, 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.719 I believe I started living in Florida, you know, as 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.240 much as this kind of sounds, you know, silly or whatever, 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.239 I'm living at my mom's house because I needed to leave. 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.799 I need to get out of there. One because her 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:49.359 father had sent me threatening text messages and he has 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.719 threatened to murder me before in a bunt in front 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.240 of a family. So I left because I was scared 0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:01.040 and that I need that we needed space. So I'm 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:06.640 in Florida talking over the phone. She you know, she says, oh, well, 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.440 I notice that you're changing and you're giving me everything 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.440 I finally needed, which I'm not gonna lie. I did 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.759 some things I probably shouldn't have in the relationship, or 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.480 I should have tried to do more. I don't fault 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:23.200 I don't fault her for that, but you know, she's 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.120 telling me these things. She's saying, I accept you. You know, 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.200 I want to I want to make it work. I 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.960 want to try again. And I'm and I'm like, yeah, 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:31.919 I want to as well. You know, I can get 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:36.640 over her making out with her coworker. Well, about a 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:43.360 week later, she calls me. She says, if I remember. Quickly, 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:48.879 She's like, would you can I trust you? And I'm 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:53.400 like yeah, And so she knows. She kind of drills 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.279 it even more, like are you sure I can trust you? 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.560 I was like, what have I done to not to 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:04.799 lose your trust? Now? And so she agrees to that right. Well, 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.000 then she says, I'm gonna have to I need you 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.719 to listen, not say a word, and I need to 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.000 start from the beginning, and so you know, I'm I've 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.000 been trying to change the whole time. So instead of 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.200 interjecting like I usually do, and all that, I listened. 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.560 I shut my mouth for once, And so I'm listening 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.600 and she's talking about the party that they had because 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.680 her and her coworker are both in the Air Force 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.520 as of right now and whenever all this happened, So 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.600 they were having a going away party for one of 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.080 their coworkers because he got kicked out because he did 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:49.160 a shitty job. So it started there. And you know, 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.799 at this point, I was used to her going over 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:53.480 to his dorm to you know, drink and you know, 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.200 relax and unwind, and she'd always come back. So I 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.120 k didn't I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on. 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.399 But them two had gone out to eat with him. 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.799 They left together in the same car, and he doesn't 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.600 have a car, nor does he have a license, so 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:14.640 it's her driving, excuse me, and she drives him back 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.880 to hurt his dorm, and you know, he's like, oh, 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.160 come on, let's come come drink with me, you know 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.759 all that, And she's like, no, I don't know. Well 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:27.360 then she reluctantly agrees and she goes up and they 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.359 start drinking. Keep in mind, she is not twenty one. 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.240 She should not be drinking. He is committing a crime 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:34.120 in the US. 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.440 MJ okay, okay, all right. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.839 So and so they're okay, continue sorroser. 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.640 Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man, you're losing me a 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.480 little bit. I'm trying to understand. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:45.760 Where I understand. 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:47.120 It's a lot to take in. 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.960 Where where's okay, where are you guys at right now? Like? 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.640 What's like? What's that like? So this is all after 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.759 she cheated on you with him at the beginning, and 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.359 now the three of you guys are all hanging out. 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.080 No, I'm not anywhere. I'm at home taking care of 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.000 our two kids because I quit my job to be 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.200 a stay at home father, okay, and I stayed at 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.200 home with them. I currently have no job, no income, 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:13.400 and she drained all the bank accounts on the twenty second, 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:14.960 so I wasn't able to even buy anything. 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:15.839 M hm. 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.600 Mm hmmm. Where is she now? As you guys are 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:21.839 still married. 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.200 She is having relations with him. Oh the house that 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:28.600 we both bought. 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:29.840 Oh, so where are you? 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.440 I am in Florida with my mother with the kids. 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.680 Nope, where are the kids? 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.040 The kids are ten minutes away from me with a 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.799 man that will kill me if I go anywhere near him. 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.000 Dude, what yep, she. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.359 Left him here for a week. It was a plan. 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.200 Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, So 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:53.560 the kids are with her? 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.200 No, the kids are with their granddad, not my father, 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.520 my soon to be ex father in law. 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:10.160 Okay, see, your children are with your ex wife's dad, Yes, sir, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.560 And your ex wife is off, has a new life 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:20.799 with the guy that her coworker guy mm hmm. And 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.600 the great why is the grandpa going to kill you? 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:34.919 Because our arguments got physical. That's why I'm not gonna 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.920 I'm not gonna beat around the bush. I'm not gonna 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:41.360 try to hide. Well this happened this half yep, yep, Uh, 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.399 it wasn't just me. I do have videos of her 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.440 starting to hit me first. But I won't lie. I 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.160 started it to sometimes, and I regret my actions. My 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:56.040 actions are very childish. I plan to never let that 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.120 half again. It will not happen again. I'll do whatever 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.319 I need to go therapy, take medicine if I need to. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:02.320 It won't happen. 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:10.960 Dude, dude, what's your name is? Jacob? Yes, sir Jacob. Oh, 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.080 my god man, Jesus Christ. 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.960 Yes, a lot. I've actually been waiting to talk to 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:19.520 you for for quite a while. 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:24.080 I'm so I'm so not the guy that you need 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:25.520 to be talking to right now. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:26.440 No, no, I know. 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:30.480 I just it's talking to people helps me get it, 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.839 helps me calm down, helps me get it off my chest. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.960 I don't expect any actual therapy advice for me, just 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.440 you know, life advice. Ione to talk to. 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:58.400 M oh Jesus Christ Man. Well listen, man, I listen. 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:05.719 I uh look good good luck, good luck with good 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.240 luck with the case. I hope you. I hope everyone 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.200 in this situation. I hope these fucking kids have a 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:21.000 good life. I hope everything works out with everyone, you know. 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:28.160 So that's that's about it, man, Is there anything? Is 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:29.680 there anything else you want to say to the people 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:30.919 of the computer before we go? 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:35.399 Uh No, sir, h that's I'm just glad I got 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.239 to talk to you. It's unfortunately I wasn't able to 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.120 tell my full story that I understand. 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.360 What's what's left of the story. 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.919 Well, she we were talking for about a month since 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.160 everything happened to twenty second, and you know, she was 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.000 giving me a second chance, this and that, and then 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:58.000 just one day, one day, she just one hundred and 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.280 eighties and says she's choosing him. And the whole time 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.759 she's making up excuses and saying because she would tell 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.279 me not to listen to my family's advice or any 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.879 of my friend's advice, but she told me that she's 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.319 listening to everybody and saying, yes, she shouldn't give me 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.680 a second chance, and all that, I mean, I understand, 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:22.000 But the fact that she gave me hope and we 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.680 were planning things and this and that, that's what really 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:31.520 irks me. And so she well completely cut me out 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:33.480 and all that, and yeah, she's with. 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.920 Him now, Okay, Well listen, Jacob, you should go talk 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:42.520 to a real therapist and I will. You know. I 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.359 hope everyone figures this stuff out. I hope your kids 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:45.920 are okay. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:47.719 I hope. 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.719 Is there anything else you want to say to the 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.160 people of the computer before we go? No, thank you, 0:42:55.480 --> 0:43:01.279 all right, Well, take care of Jacob. Good with uh, 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:02.279 with existence? 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:05.719 I struggle every day? 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.840 Okay, by Jacob, bye bye. Oh my god, that was 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:20.560 so much. Well that was a lot. I'm not he. 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.520 That was I? He that was he was he? He 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.879 was kind of talking like I was the judge on 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.879 this case. Thank god. I'm not a judge. Thank god. 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.640 I'm not a real therapist or a judge or a lawyer. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:41.839 I've been playing the Phoenix right Ace Attorney games where 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:46.720 I can pretend to be a lawyer, and that's fun. 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:51.319 It's fun to pretend to be things. I'm sorry. That's all. 0:43:51.800 --> 0:44:00.880 That's all I have to say after that. All right, Hello, 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.040 hey man, you texted me and you said my name 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.759 is Brian. I'm forty one. I think I played arc 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.440 Raiders with you about two months ago, and we randomly 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.360 got matched into a group together, and I wanted to 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.840 know if it was actually you. That's what you texted me. 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:21.680 Right, yeah, that's right. Is this actually ghek or I 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:22.920 don't know if this is a screener. 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.239 I'm sorry, no, no, this is me, and I just 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:26.799 want to let you know. I don't I don't play 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:28.279 that game, so it wasn't me. 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:32.080 Oh okay, yeah, no, it might have been an imposter, 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.719 because it was totally someone that sounded like you. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.080 Wait, really they do they have like a username like 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:39.480 it like pretended to be me. 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.759 Not necessarily, and even then I thought it was you 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.960 the whole time, and I even asked him, like I 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.680 brought it up and the guy kind of went afk 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.839 afterwards and he comes back and he's like, oh, sorry, 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:53.960 my roommate was bothering me, and I thought that it 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.520 was like all a ruse and it felt like I 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.520 got streamsniped. So I ran through it in my mind 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.400 and I was like, oh, maybe he was streaming to 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.640 his discord or something like that and you were playing 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.200 the game anyway sort of thing. So I was just 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.319 I was really taken aback by it. But the guy 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.080 sounded exactly like you, And I was like, have you 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.359 ever heard of Therapy Get Go? And his answer was 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.120 I may know that name, and I'm just like it's 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:18.839 got to be him. 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:24.759 Wait, I don't, I've never even I don't even know 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.880 what arc Raiders is. What is that? 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.479 Oh? Really? Yeah? No, it's like a it's a third 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:35.160 person like a shooter game, like a looter shooter, extraction 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.640 shooter kind of game, kind of like an Escape from 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:38.640 tarca kind of thing. 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:43.440 Okay, cool, cool cool? Hm, wait can I ask you 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:44.040 another question? 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:45.320 Sure? 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.440 Yeah, you're forty. 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.040 One, I am. 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:49.359 Yeah. 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:50.880 And I also went to one of your shows when 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:51.839 he came by, so. 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.279 Oh really where Gecko Tour? 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:59.400 It was the Austin show. I actually I if you 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.360 remember the in Austin, Texas where the guy he wanted 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:08.160 to like light something on fire, dude old employer. Yeah, 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.440 I was sitting right next to that guy. 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.759 Oh yeah, and his mom came on. That was too. 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.120 Yeah, it was something weird like that. But uh and 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.319 then we were all like, oh he's and he had 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.400 to call that uh the one lawyer we tried to 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.120 calling the lawyer on the show if you could get 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:25.920 an interview, Yeah, good time. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.359 Dude, this dude, fuck dude, this whole episode, this whole 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.640 episode of the podcast, and this whole thing. I'm like, 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:35.560 what the fuck am I doing with my life anymore? 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:39.120 Like with his whole just the whole the universe of 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.279 you know what's funny? I really like I say this 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.120 on the show. I say this to people. A lot 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:45.960 of people are like, oh, do you think people are 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:50.319 making stuff? Up to get on the show or you 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.560 know whatever. I really don't. I really, I genuinely I 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.560 have spoken to eight million people I've been but I 0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:04.120 genuinely believe that everything is as crazy and stupid as 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:08.759 it presents itself to be. I don't think anyone's I 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:12.160 like I'm the I'm actually I'm truly the opposite of 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:16.759 a conspiracy theorist. I really feel like everyone and everything 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:22.000 is exactly I believe everything a complete face value. 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:25.400 Yeah, I could see that. I mean, you, at a 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.120 certain point, you just got to kind of learn to 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.040 roll with the punches and stuff. I mean I never 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.080 even really had the courage to, you know, sign up 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.759 and you know, talk on the at the live show 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:37.440 or anything like that, even though I saw you. I 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.120 think too when I went to TwitchCon twenty twenty two 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.480 and You're at like the front of twitch Con and 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.440 I'm like, man, I should say something now, and I 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.960 never did kind of thing. And it's like I've had 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.840 multiple opportunities, and even just now, I mean I text you, 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:51.560 I'm like, there's no way he calls me back kind 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.560 of thing, and hey, here I am, and suddenly I'm 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.560 and it's actually you. It's kind of a surreal moment, 0:47:58.680 --> 0:47:59.920 So I appreciate that. 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.080 So you're forty one, right, Can I ask you some questions? 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:04.960 Yeah? Sure, certainly. 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.960 How does life play out? Does everything end up okay 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:09.760 in the end? What happens? 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:13.560 Well, first off, I'm not really retired or anything like that, 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.520 but you know, after thirty, I would say, your knees 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.839 don't really work kind of the same way. And after 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.520 you fit for a really long time, it's like, you know, 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.960 it takes a longer time for you to get recovered 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.840 from the process of everything. You know, I still play 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.600 Dance Dance Revolution all the time. I've been playing that 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:37.520 game now for like twenty six years, and on days 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:39.319 where I play a lot of songs back to back 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.120 to back, I mean, you know, it takes me like 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.320 two or three days to recover now, as opposed to 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.479 when I was younger, I could just you know, stay 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.520 there all night on twenty dollars kind of thing. 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:52.920 Mm hmmmmm. What else am I going to say? Oh? 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:54.920 Do you what? So what's your life like? Tell me 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:56.360 about you, Brian. 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:03.360 So, I'm actually an un employed game developer and I've 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.640 worked in the industry now for like ten twelve fifteen 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.719 years something like that. I don't even really keep track, 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:12.960 but finding work is really really tough, and so, believe 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:14.879 it or not, I'm actually at the point where I'm 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:18.279 thinking of this is so random. I've only really kind 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:19.880 of had this stuff for like the last couple of 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.200 last couple of days. I'm getting the point where I'm 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:27.480 considering starting to stream myself, but I kind of want 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.240 to take like more of the burnt peanut route, where 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.319 it's you know, if i show up and I'm forty 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:34.839 one and I'm like the new kid on the block, 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.200 no one's going to watch my shit. I'm not that interesting. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.120 But in general, if you know, I'm going to get 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.360 out there and try to be someone, I feel like 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.960 hiding behind a little bit of animidity is at least 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.360 valid for something, right, Like, if you just do a 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.920 rip off of something that's already pre existing, it's out there, 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.840 everybody's gonna be like, oh, they're going to call me 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:55.480 out on it sort of thing. So I got to 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.560 kind of put my own spin on it and just 0:49:57.680 --> 0:49:59.520 find the bravery to get out there and do it. 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.680 Sort of. But that's that's kind of my line I 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:07.719 thought lately, And I mean so being unemployed definitely fucking sucks. Man. Like, 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.480 I went back to school back in like, you know, 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.319 I'm forty one, that's already out of the bag. So 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.000 I lived through the the I guess you'd call it 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:20.239 like the new Great Depression of like two thousand and 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.200 seven and like the big economic downturn of all that. 0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.880 When I was fresh out of high school, I decided 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.800 to just join the workforce. And after realizing that I 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.760 didn't want to spend my whole life work in retail 0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:33.400 and sales, I was like, fuck it, I'm just going 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.440 to go back to school for something I was already 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.480 kind of good at. And at the time, I was 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.319 making maps and counterstrike for all my friends to come 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.280 play on a server, and everybody was kind of playing 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:45.920 my COUNTERSHEK map. So I was like, man, I should 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.120 go to school for this. So I went to one 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.600 of those game art kind of programs, not like a 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.520 diploma mill, but a legit school, got my degree, set 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.040 my sights on working at like a target company, like 0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:58.920 you know, as everybody kind of doeses like oh I 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:00.880 want to work for bun Joe, to work for Blizzard 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:02.719 or wherever you want to work or whatever, and I 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.560 ended up getting that kind of a job and it 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.879 just it took me back as soon as I made it, 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.000 you know, and I was like, oh, man, I'm finally 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:13.120 working at this place I really wanted to be at 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.080 my whole life. And then I get laid off like 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.160 a year and a half into the job, and so 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:20.360 that's as good as it gets. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:26.400 So when when were you last employed? 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:29.920 So I was last employed. I think it was like, 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:31.960 I want to say, four or five months ago. I 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.759 was working a contract on some like crypto NFT MMO 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.759 that I'm not exactly like most proud of that I 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.120 worked on because I don't really associate with that kind 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.279 of stuff, But hey. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.919 You know, what's the fucking deal with that? Is that stuck? 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.680 Because I thought like yeah, because back in like twenty 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:51.400 twenty one, there was a lot of like NFT Crypto 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.000 bullshit and a lot of like video game people were like, 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:58.320 Oh this is these are gonna be the new whatever. 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:02.680 We're going to use web three technology to make a 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:07.520 fucking house in World of Warcraft work worth real money. 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:08.560 Like are people still doing that? 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.239 Yeah? And you know I saw that Zillo ran a 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.840 promo recently with World of Warcraft where you can like 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.640 look for a home using Zillo, which, if you don't 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:19.440 already know, Zillo is what you would use if you 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.600 were trying to buy a home for real. Yeah, but 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.680 World of Warcraft now, I guess you can buy a 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:27.000 home in World of Warcraft using Zillo, which is preposterous 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.920 and completely random. Like, good luck convincing me of that 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:32.839 back in two thousand and six, that like that would 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.640 be the future of stuff, right, But as far as 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:37.960 the NFT stuff goes, I feel like that was a 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.399 lot of fluff from you know, the Metaverse and all 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.760 that kind of stuff, Like just look at what happened 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.000 with Meta and Mark Zuckerberg and all that, where they 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:47.680 were like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be the future 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.080 of gaming and everything. But when you think about it, 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.680 when you watch the Game Awards, what crypto NFT game 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.680 are you most excited for next? Literally you couldn't name 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.439 me one of them. No one cares, no one gives 0:52:59.480 --> 0:52:59.799 a shit. 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:05.759 Well that's because you know, like, Okay, you know what 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:09.319 I'm gonna I'm gonna make an analogy here and tell me, 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:14.840 tell me what you think. So I'm a Nintendo guy mainly, 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:18.239 I mean I play Xbox. I like, uh, you know 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:22.799 PlayStation stuff, but I think you know Nintendo and Nintendo. 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:30.320 The Nintendo philosophy, I feel like, is a good general 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.200 philosophy of how like society should be run where it's 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:40.480 like Nintendo's ship has always been like technology is good 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:46.640 for the propping up of like a good game, you 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.040 know like that, like like like all the like you know, 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:55.319 PlayStation Xbox, They're about, look how big my fucking dick is, right, 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:59.959 and Nintendo is like, we have a nice sized dick, 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:03.239 but we know how to fuck you know. Where it's 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.120 like the tech the tech industry is like, how can 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:10.520 we make the dick as big as humanly possible? Because 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:16.600 bigger dick equals better fucking But but Nintendo is like, no, 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:22.759 the the the fucking technique is better to work on 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.680 than the dick itself. And I apply this the philosophy 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.320 of of of that to like everything like like AI. 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:31.160 But I already went on a whole rant, bay, I 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.920 won't go on another one. But like the tech industry 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:38.640 in general, I feel like has this thing where the 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:45.000 technology is like, oh, we can make better technology, but 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.200 at the end of the day, it has to prop 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.640 up especially in the entertainment industry, and that's a prop 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:56.480 up good stories and like just shit that's like shit 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:59.600 that's like good for humans, like good stories. 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.880 Fun game game design with game design stuff, right, Like 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:07.560 it's about designing a really good closed loop system, something 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.600 that's like fun and exciting to play. So when you 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:13.160 play something like Stardou Valley, that's a good example of that, 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:16.560 where it's it's in a nice controlled environment, you generally 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:18.160 know how your next day is going to go. The 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.080 mechanics are relatively easy to learn, and you enjoy the 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.719 sessioning of it kind of thing. Right. I think that 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.600 those things are super novel and that's one of those 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:30.040 things that Nintendo always seems to get right. But Nintendo 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.000 has also been in this game for like one hundred 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:34.600 plus years. Was one hundred and fifty years back in 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.960 the day when they were making like trading card games. 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.080 You know, I would almost say like in ancient times 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.720 because I wasn't alive back then, and there's like eighteen 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:48.360 fifty or something they were founded the Nintendo origins, when 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.880 you know it's only like trading card decks or something 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.560 like that. But I think where I'm going with this 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:58.080 is like they have really honed in on like this 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:01.520 is the difference between Western media and something like the 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:06.000 Japanese media influence, like Japan and Nintendo. They identify that 0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:08.440 this is more of like a craft and a discipline, 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:12.360 and they approach all their stuff with game design to 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.040 be like, all right, we know what functionally works, but 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.279 how can we put our twist on it, simplify it 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:19.480 and make it appeal to the masses. And they have 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.560 time and time again approved that they can, you know, 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:27.319 continuously deliver on that sort of promise. I find it 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:28.680 to be really inspiring as well. 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.160 So yeah, well that's why a lot of that, like 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:39.000 NFT crypto bullshit didn't yeah catch on because the technology. Yeah, 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:43.160 technology is cool when it like serves a purpose of 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.960 some kind, but the people are using it in ways 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:46.600 it doesn't. 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:51.520 Like when you hear these phrases like on chain, what 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:56.680 the fuck does on chain mean? Like, oh, there's a ledger, okay, Well, 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.120 what does that really mean to me at the end 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.359 of the day, Like oh you own this? Okay? Well, 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.439 if I go play Overwatch and get the new Curaco skin, 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:07.799 I earned my skin there, right, And some people are like, yeah, 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:09.480 you should be able to bring that skin over to 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:13.040 Fortnite or whatever, and it's like, but who's actually asking 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:14.879 for that? Is there a real market for that night? 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:17.040 And I bet you there is, but it's probably like 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.360 less than five percent of all gamers everywhere give a 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:20.960 shit about that. 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:25.240 Maybe, Well, the thing I think, like do one thing 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:32.240 that like tech bros don't understand is that one thing 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.840 tech bros don't to say is that just because a 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:42.080 thing can logistically be done, it doesn't mean like like 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:49.440 like uh okay a thing's integration in society. The barrier 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.600 is usually less a logistical barrier and more a barrier 0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:58.440 of cultural and social acceptance. And so it's like, yeah, 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:03.480 you know, logistically you could theoretically do all these things 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:09.320 with this technology, but culturally and socially, do people actually 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:10.520 fucking want to. 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:14.120 Or are they receptive to it? Like, you know, one 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.640 of the noble things I've heard is that, you know, 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.720 games are a medium that could change the world, and 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.760 you know, we can eliminate bullying if we just hit 0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:26.760 them before it that wouldever even become the idea in 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.960 their mind kind of thing. But I don't really know 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.200 if I buy into that. I mean that once you 0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:34.600 start to really really dig into that. That's kind of 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:37.960 it goes down that like video games and violence kind 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:39.760 of thing. You know, I'm not a big proponent. I 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:42.680 don't believe that video games cause violence. If anything, they 0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:45.800 are more of like a like a safe outlet for 0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.520 you know, personal expression or whatever it is that you 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:49.800 want to do. Like if you just want to show 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:53.040 up in GTA and steal cars and baying hookers, you know, 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.560 sure you can do that, right, But when you think 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:57.920 of like the big picture of all video games that 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.640 are out there on a long enough timeline, any game 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.320 idea that you have, if you if you think to yourself, Okay, 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.080 I think I know what a cool game idea is. 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.240 If you wait long enough and just watch the scheme 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.520 store Paige long enough, you will probably see a game 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.400 similar to the game idea that you had. Because everyone 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:16.959 is trying almost anything to try to make a quick 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.560 buck or make anything work. If you're like, oh, it 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.720 would be powder Puff Girls, but it's going to be 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.280 uh in World of Warcraft Okay, yeah, sure that game 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:27.960 might be out there, who knows, But. 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.400 Have you played the game Bully? 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.000 I have not. No, that's like Rockstar is one of 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:35.960 their og titles. 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:37.240 I think great game. 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:43.240 Yeah, playing that the other year you were playing on stream? 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:47.760 Right, No, I haven't streamed in like, uh six years. 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:51.800 Oh. For some reason, I thought i'd seen you playing it. 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:54.520 I could have swear I saw someone playing it recently. 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:57.680 But yeah, you keep mistaking. You keep you have the state, 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.360 keep mistaking other people from me. Maybe you I know, 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.800 Maybe I don't know. Maybe you just maybe just you 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:04.640 want to see me, you want to connect with me. 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:06.240 Here we are, we did it. We connected. 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:09.120 It's like a high five through the internet. 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:11.320 It's like a high five for the internet. You're I 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:15.560 appreciate you because you're the You're the easiest person to 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:17.960 talk to of the people I've talked to today. 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.640 Well, I hope I could uplift the spirits a little bit. 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.800 And uh, I really appreciate it, Like, you know, you 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.760 reaching out to me like this is another one of 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:30.760 those winking nods that maybe I should actually probably start 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.240 to stream myself and see what I can put together 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:35.320 and yeah, try it out, you know, so. 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:41.280 Please please Brian. Uh, pleasure talking to you. Brian. I 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:41.880 appreciate you. 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:42.000 Man. 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:43.160 Is there anything else you want to say to the 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:44.400 people of the computer before we go. 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:47.960 I've waited so long for this moment and I just 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:53.520 want to say gg right, like good game gg. That's 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:55.720 it man, GG beautiful. 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:57.520 Hey, thank you Brian, see you are in the universe. 1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:59.960 Man, appreciate it. Have a good one. 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:04.600 Well. Thank God for Brian. Thank God for Brian for 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:11.800 allowing us to end this podcast today on a torrential 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:17.880 vibe shift. Brian's a good guy. That was the Therapy 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:22.360 Ecko podcast. Folks, thanks for listening. I'm Lyle, I'm a Gecko. 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:25.920 I'm on tour. 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